04-29-26 Part One - He Sees Seashells by the Seashore

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He is Eric Hurley, and I'm Gary McNamara. Hello. Happy Wednesday. Thanks for being here. I don't know where to start this hour.

As well as days where my God, I don't know where to start. Yeah, yeah.

“I guess this is the, we'll start with this, all right?”

Okay. And then because there's just so much to talk about. You know, with the, with the indictment of, of almost a Jonathan Turley. Yeah.

With the indictment of Komi that came down because of his 8647 C shell message. Yeah. I started thinking.

Well, because when I first saw that I went, okay,

they're re-inditing on the entire leak thing. Yeah, because if you remember, you and I, John Solomon went through the fact of, they've actually got the emails and that was a strong case. But that case was thrown out because the lead prosecutor was,

was, what, what do they call it? Was, was, was not supposed to be a prosecutor. Right. That they didn't go through the proper, whatever. Right.

So I'm like, well, why don't they re-indit on that one? Because I thought that's what was happening. They were re-inditing on that one. Right. Because I thought that's exactly what I thought.

Because because they said, you know, we've got,

“you know, John Solomon, then remember that one day,”

we were talking about, we played the audio cut. And he's saying, we've got the handwritten notes that were found by the FBI that was showed clearly that Colmy was aware that his assistant was leaking to the media. Right.

And the fact that he actually congratulated, you know, you know, in, I don't know if that was an email that was a written note, probably was an email, congratulated him for what he was doing. So that's actually a pretty strong case. Not to the statute of limitations run out on that one.

What happened to that particular case? Because I look at, you know, this case immediately.

And then, you know, the first thing I thought of,

I don't even think it was a free speech issue. It may come down to free speech because you're looking at, you know, what is actually a threat. And with the Supreme Court precedent, this is going to be a long haul for the prosecutor

to get something on it. Because when this all came out originally, and they said that he was threatening the president, I just went, you know what 86th means to me? You're kicked out.

If you've ever been kicked out in a bar, you get 86th. Yeah. Working at as a club DJ. And this was, I was in New York. And then when I came down here,

I remember, remember, I told you I had the, the, the, the conversation at the, the, I talked about this on the air. Conversation at the Marina at the Marina club restaurant. Yeah. And this goes back.

Oh, why does this come back? I can't remember. And there was a, you know, one of the, one of the owners was there. Who I got along with.

And we were talking about something. And I said, no, you're wrong. And this was after golf. All right. I said, no, no, you're wrong.

It doesn't work that way. Here's the way that it works out. It was about. I get home. And my buddy calls me.

And says you've been 86th. You go, what? You've been 86th. You can't come in anymore. What are you talking about?

He goes, we all were shocked. Nobody ever tells this guy. He's wrong. And you told him he was wrong. And I ended up going in about a week later.

And asking for me came out. And I just, this was the guy who I told you. That I used to play golf with him. And when I decided to leave the, the, the golf club, it was because I just, I hated golf because I could not get lower.

Was I seven eight handicap? I couldn't get lower. And I was just, I had as I've said before, the rage of a serial killer directed it myself because I couldn't hit a ball with a stick.

“And so, but I had told this, they said, you know, why are you, why are you leaving?”

And I said, well, you know, not sure about what's going on at work. And I just want to save money. I don't want to tell them, I hate the game. Well, that got around. And for some reason, he thought I lost my job.

And every time I came into the restaurant,

every time I came in, he would buy me my lunch. Oh, he'd be there. And they'd go now, you know, oh, it's, you know, on this guy.

And finally, he, you know, he was telling,

he told him to pen a bob. He said, yeah, I'm taking care of Gary whenever he's in here,

“because he lost his job because what, what are you talking about?”

And he said, well, he said, I came in. I was in the parking lot one day. And I saw Gary, you know, sitting outside of his truck on the phone. And he had one of those orange vests on that the construct. He apparently he's working with the construction workers on the road up there.

And I had my orange golf. That's done. I came from golfing. And he thought I'd lost my job. You know, in, in radio and was, you know, basically working as a road crew guy.

Yeah. Because I had a, and if I was like, oh, my God. So I went in and I told him, I said, look, you want to 86 me out of here. That's fine. Yeah.

You know, this is your place.

You get to do what you want. But understand that I really appreciate what you did. And I said, I don't, I said, I will argue with people who I consider friends. You know, if I don't care about you, I'm not even getting involved in the conversation. And he was sort of in tears.

And it was so funny because this was like the afternoon like one o'clock on a weekday.

“Well, I was, you were just trying to get back to free lunches, right?”

But no, I'm, I'm sitting at a drinking coke and all of a sudden there appears, you know, the upside down shock lay. Hey, this is one on the guy. This is one on the guy. And, and I was funny because there were two people that walked in who I know.

Yeah. One actually in the radio business. Yeah. And we started talking about the time I turn around 45 minutes later, there's five classes in front of me. I'm drinking coke. It's a work day. I bet that's the five shots.

Plats is down to them. I go, you guys can have them. Yeah. And, and so that's, you know, but that's where I heard 80 sick over and over and over again. Yeah. And I went, he can just sit there and say, 86 means fire them.

Get them out. Don't let him in the office anymore. But when I started to look, because it has many meetings. Yeah. And pop culture in the mob movies. Yes.

It's, it means kill. It means kill. Yes. It is, you know, when you get 86 on a job. We've used that.

Right.

“When over again, the point being, I think that you're making that I was thinking was,”

this is going to be a tough road during the prosecutorial process. And determining what the intent of it was. And it constituting a threat. Now, in the wake of everything, the assassination attempts, multiple on our current president,

it seemingly fits right in. But when you get into the courtroom in terms of moving this, proving intent of what it meant, he claims, calmly claims he didn't put the shells there.

That I don't bought. Yeah, neither did I. Yeah. Because if you look at the sand and I did, there are what I believe,

knee prints. Now, we don't actually have knee prints like foot prints. And if we did, you still wouldn't, or like fingerprints. You still wouldn't be able to read them in the sand, of course.

But it looks like in two places, people melt down and and arrange that, whether that was combing in somebody else or just combing. We know how weird comb is. In fact, when I saw the breaking news that they had re-indicted James combing,

I was hoping that there was a new federal law. I was an unaware of of being weird. That being weird was against the law. And so they were going to go after him for being creepy. The way he has been creepy over the years.

But he leaked.

But I thought that was, yeah, I thought that was based on the first time that they went after him.

He broke the law. Yeah, he, he, he leaked. We all know if there is no dispute on that. No, really, that he leaked. No, there isn't.

We all know he leaked exactly. And, and so he, and we all know that he abused his power. Yes. Without question. Right.

As, you know, as the, the head of the, the FBI. And so that's where I thought they were going because I went. Looks like you've got the evidence from what I could see because they actually had the paperwork. Yeah. That led to the, you know, led to the leak.

I don't know, because I don't know, I can't judge a case before it actually goes, you know, to trial and you see all the evidence that comes in. But we know he broke the law there. Yeah.

Problem is, and Jonathan Turley said, you know, basically when you, when you, when you look at it,

the justice department is going to have to show that the, that his picture was a, quote, true threat. That's under the law. Was it true threat? Right.

Was he, what? That's true threat.

“And, and at that point, you have to say what constitutes a threat.”

And then they go to the watch versus United States back in 1969.

The Supreme Court declared a more direct threat was protected under the first amendment.

Yeah. And this is where an 18 year old anti war protestor said, if they ever make me carry a rifle, the first man I want to get my sights on is LBJ. And they said, sorry, you know, even though you're saying it, if I, if I get a rifle, I will kill him.

That's what you're saying. And that was found to be constitutional. So if that was, that's where they have a very, very, very, very tough road. Yeah. It just appears like a very weak case.

Again, there are, there are a number of things. The physical evidence. I don't know what is introduced other than the pictures because you don't have the shells. Him taking pictures and saying this is an interesting shell formation and posting it on social media. Politically, we know what his motivation is.

“The question is, legally, can you get to the point of that constituting threat against the life of a president?”

And, and that's the burden that prosecution has here. And, and I don't, I don't know how they get there.

And, you know, and, and, and early, who's a constitutional lawyer who's always voted democrat by the way.

Uh, also used Virginia versus black that a true threat requires, quote, statements where the speaker means to communicate a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals. That was generally in a threat, not not based on the threats to the president. Right. Uh, part of it. It is certainly true that a threat can be implied.

However, the true in that term distinguishes what is it issue from just hyperbally or other statements that when taken in context, do not convey a real possibility that violence will follow. That's a quote. That's from counterman versus Colorado back in 2023. And, and, and, you know, again, even when you look at how he phrased the post when when he put it, and he called it interesting shell formation. Which is, which is, was, it's BS.

I just don't believe that he walked up on that. Then again, I don't know if he's on a beach in a, uh, very liberal area. Those show more formations might be everywhere. I don't know, but, but see, there's the problem in, in, with prosecution too, did he put these in place, uh, or, if not, if they don't believe they even need to prove that, then they need to prove that what he posted and his words, the fact that he posted it.

“And the words that he posted, you know, in, in, in that, in that presentation, and that, uh, was it, was it X or it was X, right? Or was it an Instagram?”

I didn't expect that it was X. Ah, yeah, okay. So, the words and the words that he used and, and the whole, basically the composition of, of the presentation of that whole thing can thing that idea. Then what words did he use? Interesting. And he can say all day long, well, I, I thought it was kind of weird.

Interesting and weird, or odd, or the fact that I would come upon this, you know, as I'm walking. And, you know, I mean, we know how odd he has been. When we, you know, I'm just thinking, he can use his, I'm an odd guy. Yeah, I don't think normally. Well, you know, that's just a fence, but, but if, let's say, let's say a maga supporter.

And this is the die hard core maga supporter came up and, and, and that formation was on the beach.

And they took a picture of it and posted it and said, wow, well, this is interesting. Meaning, we all know what the hell this means, but was in support of President Trump and things that it's a, it's a negative that this shelf formation was put into the situation was put there by somebody.

“Then would that be conceived, would that be perceived as a threat?”

But what you're getting to is the intent of the exact, the message that I, I want you dead or Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

But, but does it reach the Supreme Court president of a real threat?

It's, so it's not the thought. It's whether the thought goes to the real threat. And that's the problem you're going to have with the court president that exists right now. Unless there's other information that they have, you know, if they find it, if there's an email out there where he came out and said, Yeah, I posted that because I hope that somebody would kill the president.

Right. Or he told a friend before he went for his long walk on the beach and, you know, it's, by the way, that's in his bios. Like long walks walks on the beach. But if, if, if, yeah, if, if there was, if there's other information that shows he put that there for a reason to not only put out his own message here, but also maybe to inspire others.

But again, you're going to have to find all the evidence that builds that intent. Otherwise, it's, and big, we all know what it means and the court of public opinion.

“But when you have to prove it legally, yeah, proving that intent and what constitutes the threat, this is very ambiguous in nature.”

And, and, and by the way, they know this on the left and they know all of his haters and there's not a bigger one than James Komi. No, that they can be ambiguous and get away with it. And I believe that's the smug approach by his response that we saw to this whole thing today. But he should have been found guilty of leaking all day long. Yes, we are right, I radio brought to you by hot shot secret. Hi, I'm Jen Lumis, a transport safety expert at JJ Keller.

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Of course, any opinion that we might have about this being a tough case is all contingent upon that everything we know is everything that they have. As you mentioned, if they look up, they've got more evidence here than that's fine and things like that certainly should be taken seriously. Again, the prosecution has the burden of proof. And so that burden of proof comes with a lot of things and we'll see what they have here. Maybe there is new information that they've learned and they're not sharing with us.

And they probably shouldn't until the case is presented. The next day, we'll see what's going on. We'll see what's going on. And we'll see what's going on. And we'll see what's going on.

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Hey, Eric saw a tornado yesterday.

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I was telling you, yeah, I didn't get a lot of sleep. I slept. I went to sleep like at five and woke up at 20 to seven when the thunder hit. But in the back of my mind. I knew that some of the bad stuff.

And this is, you know, we go through this every mostly every spring. You know, sometimes maybe into the early summer. But tornadoes and hail, whatever.

“And, you know, and so at noon, you know, from noon until I went to sleep at five o'clock.”

I'm like, okay, it looks like it's going to one, one system is going to pass above me. And I just missed the massive hail by five miles on Saturday night. And they said this is going to be even worse with hail. Well, everything dissipated that was going north of me. That dissipated everything to the west and south of me continued.

And the mass there was a tornado there. There was massive hail. I mean, there was like massive hail bigger than softball that actually fell in places. So I missed it. Then I was able to get back to sleep again.

You told me, oh, wait a minute. I'm sorry. I forgot to tell you. I saw tornado yesterday. Yeah.

So I am driving. It was a little trip I had to take in the town where my parents lived. Taking care of some business with my brother who passed away. And I wanted to help them with that. And so I had enough time to drive up there and get back in time.

So I leave. And I'm on the highway. I'm on the highway there. And my dad had sent me a text. And it said storms coming your way.

Be careful. And it's not unusual. And so I start to see some rain. And then it becomes torrential rain. You can't see what's in front of you.

I mean, you can't see. I could barely see my windshield wipers. It was just torrential rain. Then the winds. And then I look to my right.

And there's this rain wrapped funnel. And it's not close enough to me. I saw some debris. But there was no debris that was in in right there in front of me. Right.

I was in and again, I was on the highway. What was creepy is that there were no other vehicles on that highway behind me or in front of me at that time, which is very unusual. And I thought, oh, my gosh, is there been am I not curing?

So I don't know where the sirens would have been. I didn't see any alert on my phone. I was waiting for that to pop up. That did happen on Saturday while I was traveling. But it didn't happen then.

“And the only thing I can think of as a funnel cloud just came down touch the ground briefly right there to the right of me.”

And I can't tell you, I'm a horrible distance of judge, a judge of distance. And so I didn't see debris. No flying cows in front of my vehicle. Nothing like that. But the trees were going back and forth and almost completely laying down on the ground.

This was extremely powerful.

I had to struggle to keep my pickup on the road. It was, it was intense. And again, I was at a place where I couldn't, there was nowhere to pull over. And it happened so quickly. I didn't see any warnings.

They said that there was a, when I got to my destination, we looked around and they said there was a reported tornado that was brief. It touched down briefly. And in that area, and that must have been what I saw. It was really scary. It was rain wrap, but I could still see the funnel shape.

And I thought to myself, first of all, all of these storm chasers. A little bit crazy. But also very, very important to the observation in terms of the behavior of these storms, the predictability of these storms. And also the communication with the national weather service. Those storm spotters aren't just a bunch of crazy people like you see in the movie.

They're out there, you know, doing it for fun.

I know that they love doing it, but they are gathering data information and very critical.

Sometimes critical videos of tornadoes as they form or after they form. And that helps us determine, you know, as a society through professionals at the National Weather Service and everywhere else. What those storms essentially are going to do with their capable of and how quickly they can spawn. Just to interject real quickly when you said with the National Weather Service, I was watching going through YouTube and there's a number of them. What was the guy you mentioned? I've been Ryan Hall.

Yeah, I've watched him a bunch, but this was very good. This wasn't Ryan, this was somebody else doing it. It was in Texas. It was a Texas based, you know, weather. I know right. Timmer was out. I don't know if he was in Texas, but, but read Timmer's another one. Yeah, I don't, I don't remember the the guy's name, but he was, you know, he was talking to a chaser. Right. You know, and there was the tornado right in front of him and he had stopped.

He had stopped and then he starts talking and the guy then he starts talking to somebody else. Yeah. And the, the host said, okay, he's called the National Weather Service and you could hear the conversation. Yeah, weather service. Yeah. And so they have a relationship with them. Yes, and we're asking specifically, and they know who they are.

Yeah. No, there's a, there's a weather chaser. They actually, I guess, deal with the National Weather Service. It's, it's, it's something that's been going on for a long time.

“And, and I think people don't realize that it's not, they're not just out there.”

Again, like they are in the movies. Ah, Bill Bill Paxton, which was a great movie. Look, it's a great movie, but it's not, it's not just about that. Even though in the movie, they were gathering data. They were using this, you know, that was, they kind of worked that into it.

And, and the end was the end of it as it ended was Eddie Van Halen, respect the wind. Yeah. We're not of it. It was Eddie Van Halen. Yeah, that, that was, by the way, that was, ended up being a big beef with the Sammy Haygar version of Van Halen. And, and, and that whole thing that soundtrack and, and what Sammy Haygar wanted to do

And, instead of, you know, doing just the soundtrack and all of that. But that was, you know, that's, beyond the point. But it's, tell me about, talk about the trees bending.

The, the trees were, I've never seen this happen.

Um, a lot of the ski trees. So, you know, they're not the strongest trees. Uh, but these trees just bending over just like in a straight wind. You know, they're bending over in, in one direction, right? They're landing over in one direction.

And this, they were just going back and forth. It was just chaos.

“And that's how I knew this was something different.”

But when I looked to my right and I saw that, I said,

You know, I mean, I'm not a storm spotter. I've seen tornadoes. But still, every time you see one, I don't know if that's the closest I've been. Actually, we've been in a storm cell where it went down,

uh, the street adjacent to us.

“And, uh, that freight train sound is something you'll never forget.”

I've never heard that. Yeah. And I don't want to hear that.

It's basically because it's, it's the, the cycle of that,

that, that's tornado as it turns. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. And so it, it kind of mimics, uh, a train sounds like a freight train. And, and to me, it did, at least in that instance. But the trees were just back and forth, back and forth.

We had a storm here, uh, this goes back a few years, where we got off the air, went home, and I was at home, and it's not far from here. There were no storms in the forecast. And at 5.30 a.m., the storm sirens go off.

And our sirens is right there for houses down at the end of my street, right? Well, so, uh, it's, uh, I'm thinking, well, they're not testing sirens at 5.30 a.m. So what is this? Maybe it was a glitch, right? Maybe something, some kind of electronic glitch.

Because nothing was in the forecast.

Then I look, I get up and open my front door. And it's like, one of those weird scenes from a weird movie,

“where they, they do CGI, where do you open the door?”

And it's something really bizarre and chaos outside the door, and then they close it real quick. That's exactly what it was like. These massive straight winds were just, again, laying these, uh, fairly old libo trees against the, uh, across the street,

my neighbor's house and isn't, in a yard. I mean, it looked like they were going almost to the ground. They weren't, but I mean, it, it was unbelievable force. And that's exactly what I saw yesterday. And there were different types of trees.

It was mosquitoes and trees. But it was very scary.

And at that point when I realized this is doing more than nudging my truck.

You know, when there's a high wind, you can feel it. Oh, yeah. Oh. Well, this was doing more than that. It was very, it was a bump.

I mean, it was as if something had hit my truck. And I was, I was just, I was, I had white knuckles at 10 and 2. And I kept it there. And quite frankly, I gund it, uh, quite possibly allegedly above the speed limit. Because I could see blue sky beyond this system.

Right. I was heading against the system. It was heading south. I was heading north. And within minutes, I was out of it.

But it was, that was probably the most frightened I've been only because there was no place to go. I was in a rural area. There was no place to pull over for shelter. Nothing. And I think of this tornado that we had north of here a year and a half ago.

Was that three years ago, Ron? Wow. And yeah, in, in, in, value of you, uh, Texas two years ago, two years ago. Yeah. And they're just now starting to read the one that took out the rest station.

Yes, or the, the gas station. The gas station. Yeah. And, and our producer Ron had an RV there. It took out the RV of several RVs at an RV park there.

Yeah. And I was actually scheduled to be in that on that route at that moment. The last moment, I decided, we decided to go elsewhere. We went somewhere else. And, but the, the people who were on the highway, it was on 935.

It was dark. They didn't know what was going on. And they were seeking shelter in that, in that gas station. And it was quite unfortunate. It was just, by the way, they've started to rebuild it just now.

And it is, you know, it's a very scary situation. So keep your alerts on wherever you are, especially truck drivers, people who travel a lot. If you're going to be out there, if you're just a commuter and a big city, know what the weather is going to do.

“And if you have to stay put for a while, the other night, on the way home,”

I just took a northern turn, a northern route that got me out of the storm system. And that paid off for me. In this case, I didn't see this coming and it's a reminder how fast. Yes. Those storms.

Well, that's the thing that I'm doing. The stuff we had last night, nobody was talking about 24 hours before.

No. It was, yeah.

“I mean, that it was when you woke up and you went, uh-oh.”

Yeah. Here it comes. It's crazy. We are right. I radio.

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Red I radio. With every currently, you had Gary McNamara. I've seen in the golf. I saw a water spot one time. Yeah.

I don't know how many miles it was. Maybe 10 miles. I couldn't tell. And then one time at a bridge overpass in Rockford, Illinois. I don't know how many miles it was.

I couldn't tell. And then one time at a bridge overpass in Rockford, Illinois. I saw a water spot one time. Yeah. I don't know how many miles it was.

Maybe 10 miles. I couldn't tell.

“And then one time at a bridge overpass in Rockford, Illinois.”

Yeah.

And this says to be like 94.

And somebody said there's a tornado. And it was, uh, northwest of Rockford. Yeah. And I went to the interstate bridge. And then there was a bridge.

It was over the interstate. And I parked. And I ran up to the top of it. It probably was, I don't know, 30, 40 feet above the ground. And you could see the tornado.

Yeah. Probably again about 10 miles away. But I don't ever want to get as close as you did yesterday. We were at the Iowa 80 truck stop one time. And we were having an event.

And we were wrapping it up with the awards of presentation. And I was about to announce the big winner. And they whispered in my ear. There is a tornado on the ground across the highway in the field.

And I just said everybody inside now.

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So everything that happened yesterday concerning Iran will get to in just a moment. But I just just popped into my head. I want to make sure that I don't forget to talk about this just very quickly. Just a quick comment. If I was a political consultant to the Republicans right now in the administration.

Yeah. What I would tell them today is stop talking about the ballroom. I came in today, gasoline had had four dollars a gallon in Texas. Yeah. Prices are still killing people.

Yeah. There is a legit reason to talk about the ballroom. Yes. But politically right now. When families, when prices are hurting them and they.

People react to gas to see the CNN the other day on the economy. Trump is down 55 points among independence. Yeah. Do not talk about a ballroom because honestly, people don't care. When you mentioned when the president mentioned that on Saturday night in that context,

fine, don't make it an ongoing campaign. Yes. I had no problem with it being brought up. Yeah. But yesterday was like on social media, the ballroom.

We're going to get a ballroom in the ballroom in Congress. And I'm like stop talking about the ballroom. If you ever want to talk about something to the person who really isn't paying attention, which is a significant portion of the population. All they hear is ballroom.

They're talking about a ballroom. And I can't pay my bills. Yeah. It's just, it isn't a, it's not going to, it's not going to win for you. It's not going to connect for you.

“There are things that where you have to be concerned about what's going on with the economy.”

And right now, affordability is again, it's, while it isn't the word of the day like it has been in recent months, it is, there's no doubt. It is on the minds of every American. And, and like you mentioned with gasoline, you know, it's 85 bucks to fill my truck.

Maybe a little more. I keep topping off now. Instead, because for some reason, there's this psychological thing of, I'll just top off what it's a half a tank and it doesn't feel as painful. It's still the same pain because I'm paying per gallon.

And, you know, it's just my tiny brain, the way it works. I've got the app for my place. Yeah. And, you know, it'll give you, if you buy gasoline, it'll give you off 20 cents sometimes. Yeah.

It said, you have three cents off a gallon.

No way. It will be, yeah. No, I won't be, do. I, I'm on the, not to give them a free advertising, but I'm on the Walmart plus plan. And you get 10 cents off at, at, not just their proprietary, which is Murphy,

gas stations, but also at adjacent gas stations. If there's a gas station adjacent to a store, they often partner with them. And that's the case of my neighborhood. Now, that store, that, that convenience store, their gas prices are pretty high anyway. But I'll take what I can get on 10 cents a gallon.

You know, yeah. It's, it's, why didn't give it back? Yeah. Exactly. It's, I can't for three cents a gallon.

No, no, no. It's, and I'll, I'll take what I can get. You know, and, and, but you feel it. And because, well, you got to drive. And if you commute for work, you're feeling it.

“There, there are things that you have to do where.”

About to start into the travel season at the end of May. People are going to be traveling by car. They want to be able to afford to do that. Well, but can't get a hotel room. We'll just sleep in the car.

Or maybe we'll walk to the destination. Well, when it, the beginning of this week, the gas station that I go to the vast majority of the time. Yeah. And unless I build up enough points at Crowbird who hit their gas station.

That's true that I hit. Right. 319 Monday. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's felt by, and, and I, and the other day, it wasn't even that high. It was three something, three, six or something. But I went over the $40 mark in my economical vehicle.

And it was like, I mean, and I remember, I remember when I, I remember the last time I went 40 to 50 bucks to fill up. It would have been 2008, 2009. Yeah. That was the, when we had that.

“Now, and, and that's why I've said the, the look.”

There's a legitimate reason for the ballroom. But the fact is stop talking about it. Because it comes across as whether you like it or not. It doesn't to me because I know what they're doing it. But as a, as a political consultant,

I'm always looking at what are independence thinking.

People that don't pay attention like we do every day. They hear ballroom. You need a ballroom, a ballroom. That comes off the so damn elitist in a time where people are having a struggling with prices. So don't do it.

If you, if you need to put it through caught fine. Don't publicize it. And the influencers, the online, especially on X that that are everything the president does. They're in favor for stop the hype on it.

Yeah. It doesn't bring you any good.

“Everything should be focused on November.”

Now, saying that. Mentioning gasoline, which is oil. The, what could possibly be the greatest news ever is a combination of, for the Middle East is a combination of the president making it clear yesterday. We're doing this blockade for the long haul.

Yeah. And they, they want to because this is, and we had talked about this a long time ago. You know, once you get to a certain point, what can you do to have the people revolt?

You shut down the economy completely. Yeah.

Because we always talked about the fact you really don't want to go after.

You know, you really don't want to go after the power plans. You don't want to go over. You don't want to really make it totally inconvenient, where if there is a coup or whatever happens, where it's harder on the Iranian people to get back.

But this is a case where you can do extreme damage, and then, and I can't wait till the backstory comes on on this one. The, uh, UAW, UAW, UAW. They, they might, they might join in. UAW, uh, they might pull out.

UAE. Yes. You know, United Arab Emirates pulling out of OPEC. Yeah. That's huge because the point that was being made is if Saudi Arabia,

and the United Arab Emirates decide to turn on the spigots, gas prices come down.

Yep. And so you look at the UAE doing that.

“And this is the bigger thing that we talked about from the very beginning.”

If the president succeeds on this, it will be one of the greatest victories for the United States and the world.

Well, and then the world is basically sat on the side for this.

Yeah. Since, since really world war, too. We, we've talked about strategy in, in carving out, uh, nations, animations, as a pariah. Uh, we talked about this with Russia, and what you could do with Russia.

And the sanctions there, um, they've had, I don't know, some effect. Uh, to this point, not enough to, uh, put Putin back in his place. Uh, China, we talked about it with, with terrorists. You could, again, first get with all your other trade partners. This goes back with Trump's first term and say,

we're all against you. And we're going to work to carve you out and shut you out. And that puts the pressure on China, especially when it comes to intellectual property rights. And that didn't happen.

But with this, you look at this very concentrated effort, because you're carving them out around being one of the founding nations of, of open. And it, if you see the big players, the big producers, pull out of open.

“It changes everything fundamentally at CNN, I think it was.”

It could make things much, much worse. You know, of course, they want everything to be, this is, you know, Trump's losing this war. But the fact that, and I think I honestly believe that the liberal activists in these newsrooms are greatly concerned about the fact that other Arab nations are with the United States in this effort to take a run down.

They, they can't stand that, because they know what this means. Long term, not only for short term for a win, but long term for Trump's legacy, I think that just burns them to no end. And they just can't have that. They've got to write everything negative.

And that, is that really incredible? There, I could care, it's just like billionaires. Yeah.

You know, I guess, and I guess when you're life and your mindset is always on jealousy, envy, hate.

Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. You think that way. Yeah.

I could, I could care less if Obama had decided to play tough on Iran. Right. I would have said he's doing the right thing. I would have been shocking, but I would have said. Well, that's, all right.

I'm stating the impossible. So I apologize for that one. Right. Right. Right.

Now I'm delusioned.

“That's why I framed it as a hypothetical.”

But no extreme point.

You know, like, something that will never happen.

Right. But no, if it's true, if it doesn't matter, if they do something, they're going to be a good, it's the action of the person that's doing it. It's not the person with the left. It's the person, it's every action of this person.

Go to bad. There's no way to see it in a good light. But it, when you look at where they are, a ran is on its knees. Cuba. They're on their knees.

This is this is a turning point in history where we change quite possibly. We change the tone in terms of the bad actors of the world going after innocent people. The extremist out there, killing people in the way that they did in October 7th, the way they did on 9/11 and Communists and how that they rule. By the way, we're not talking to New York City.

In countries like Cuba and how they have hurt their people. And how it costs lives when we're talking about this.

And I really believe this is a great strategy.

“You hold the line on this pressure to choke a ran out economically.”

And they don't have a choice. And eventually there has to be some, I don't know what an uprising looks like in a ran. I honestly don't. I don't know what an overthrow looks like. I don't know what a change looks like in terms of the regime,

giving in handing over whatever because nothing can be trusted. We don't, at least to the point that we know, I don't know what an uprising looks like. But this is the type of strategy you and I have talked about for a long, long time.

That is very, very effective and will work.

Fairly quickly. Well, if you, if you look, for example, the United Arab Emirates, look at Dubai, you look at what they're doing. They're United Arab Emirates.

“And also Saudi Arabia to big oil producers.”

That have come to the realization even with all of their flaws. And there are many that, that they have to diversify. You know, when you look at, when you look at what Dubai is attempting to become. And you know, which means you're not an Arab Emirates. What they wish to become, they wish to become international.

They wish for the United Arab Emirates. And it's becoming an international destination. Yes. And even a financial center. Yeah.

And so they've already realized we have to diversify from oil. And so I guess my question yesterday was, if Saudi Arabia joins in on this. And I believe that they may. Then you've got two of the major countries that say, Let's do peak court.

Let's make a huge profit right now. Yeah. It's understanding that this is all a part of joining the United States. And being more allies with the United States and understanding that this is our chance to get rid of Iran and diversify our economies and have economic success. If that's what if that is their goal.

Right.

Well, and the majority of the government want that that is an incredible positive for the United States.

You know, the UAE coming out yesterday and saying that, I didn't expect that. That I actually had to do a double take on that. And also not only in diversifying their economy, which they believe they need to do. But also remaining a player in oil trade itself. Because it's easy enough.

You know, it could be the easy enough for the US to say, hey, look, we're going to become self-sufficient. And we're going to cut you guys out. But keeping them as trade partners with oil would make sense in that, all right. You incentivize them to help keep the peace. It's almost like, I don't know, foreign aid or, you know, trade in any other way with any other commodity.

So you're keeping them in the game. They get to remain in the global oil game in a big way and and prove that with pulling out of OPEC. That happens with the Saudis. That's going to be massive.

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We are on our radio. He's there currently and I'm Gary McNamara. Yeah, I was looking at the tallest building in the world. What is it, the Burst Khalifa in Dubai? Yeah.

Things massive. It's just, and it's a solid documentary on it. They don't expect to make a profit on it. By the way, American architectural firm, so many Americans are involved all these massive skyscrapers that are happening these countries. It's for show.

“Yeah, you know, and people like, why is it the United States keeping up?”

Because you can't make money on it. It's sort of like the Concord. Well, when they were like, "How come we don't have the Concord?" Now, a lot of people may not remember it unless you're my age when they came out. It was like, "Well, because we can't make a profit on it."

Well, they designed it for show for Tom Cruise to climb. [Laughs] To put in movies. But actually, that's for show too. That's part of it, yeah.

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Just FYI, Iran was exporting roughly about 1.8 million barrels of oil a day.

Okay. Okay. UAW constrained under OPEC to 3.5 million a day. From what I read yesterday, they can do 5 million a day. That solves the problem of Iranian oil in the market.

“Now, understand that the United States, what are we producing now?”

I'm going to check that out a while. But we use what I've 18, 20 million barrels a day. Somewhere around there. It's... [Laughs]

Neither one of us have looked it up. Let's see here where we add from the EIA. Okay. 13.6 million barrels a day. We produce.

Yeah. That's the list that I have. Yep. Yep. 13.6 to 13.78 now.

Right. Okay. And that's up from the beginning of the year. Back in January is 13.2. But so you look at including liquids.

“I don't know what that means, including liquids.”

Total production reached approximately 22.8 million barrels a day.

Is that liquid natural gas? Because we're not up to 22 million barrels of oil a day. No. So what's the liquids? Hmm.

I'd have to look that up, actually. Yeah. Actually, don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

I have it there. Yeah. The... from the energy department. Now, looking at that. 13.6 million barrels a day.

By the end of 2025, which they believe now has come up even more. And they're doing more per rig, too. Yes. Yeah. Right.

You would expect.

I'm trying to see where they got that 22 million figure from.

Well, whatever. We can we can do that later. But if Saudi Arabia can agree, you can totally block out the Iranian oil from the market. Yeah. It covers crude.

At least condensate natural gas liquids. Okay. And sometimes biofuels. Okay. So we've got to throw that in.

Yeah. Okay. Does it include ethanol? It ethanol technically isn't. That would be growing.

That would, yeah. That's a biofuel. Okay. All right. That would be in biofuel.

Yeah. Well, that brings down the efficiency. Well.

Yeah. Exactly. Don't try this. We've had this debate for years. It's actually not a debate.

You know, not doing it. We're not doing that anymore. Yeah. We're way, way, way beyond that. So yeah, I mean, that's really the, but the fact that you could get them.

“And so the first thing I'm wondering is, okay, what's really going on?”

And on the same day, you know, Trump made it clear. Okay. This thing's going to go on until they crumble. Yeah. You know, we don't need to go to war.

Just strangle them. Make it so they cannot even run their vehicles anymore. Well, it's, it's, it's one thing. And you bankrupt their, they can still run their vehicles, but you bankrupt their exports. Back when I'm identified who died in the initial bombing was president of Iran.

It was his fear.

“I think it was, these Supreme Leader was also in fear of being shut out by the world.”

They converted at that time. They're military vehicles. I'm guessing the entire fleet to the extent possible to natural gas. Because they felt that it would, they would have greater access to natural gas. And it would work to that effect.

But that was the basis of that, the fear they had was exactly what's happening now. But I don't, there's, there's really no way around this, they won't have, they won't have energy. And I don't.

The question would be, you know, because you always hear about the, well, the humanitarian crisis and everything else they need energy.

Well, this is better than taking up power plants. A lot better. But economically, the pressure that pressure is felt first. Because without those resources, leadership, while they're already on their knees, they're absolutely helpless. And you can't, there is no fix for it.

The fix would be handing over the enriched uranium. Hand it to the U.S., we know how much they have handed to the U.S. Have it be a, who was it was a JD Vance that called it a, it would basically be a dual effort. It would be a ran working with also we would have manpower involved in it or international manpower, I guess. But including U.S. manpower, not necessarily, I'm guessing military.

But it would be an effort where we would basically, they would be handing it over to us.

And we would be helping them retrieve it from the rubble of the one site where much of it is about 60% of it is under rubble. But if we have access to it and they help us get that, we bring in machinery to retrieve that. And they help us get that and they turn that over.

“That's a big deal and I think that would be the turning point for the administration.”

Because at that point then the regime, what's left of the regime is basically powerless. They don't have the ultimate power. They don't have the military power they had before because we've destroyed so much, including pretty much all their Navy. So they really don't have much left at all. They are powerless except for their words.

You would say they would have power over their subjects or as other people call them citizens. But Andrew McCarthy pointed out they're not citizens as we know them, they are subjects. They're rulers in place and they rule over the subjects of people who the ordinary people who live in Iran. And if they still have firearms, they could still, of course, committed atrocities that they're known for doing in recent months. So that would be one concern.

But again, as a part of a deal, I mean, that would have to be built in. We hear any inklings of you killing civilians and this deal is off and we're coming in and now we've got your uranium and we're going to take you up. Because at that point think about it.

If we have the enriched uranium, if they have basically zero missile power and very little defense power,

The question about whether China was supplying these shoulder-fired missiles anti-aircraft missiles.

I think it's still in play. I do believe that there's a lot of work behind the scenes going on in that regard and putting the pressure on China. China denies it. You know, how dare the US makeup propaganda coming from China? Well, what?

Go ahead.

“But that's, but that's, you have to ask, okay, so what do they have in terms of power,”

except for firearms against their own people to resist an uprising? But I look at it right now.

I do not see with the current government.

I'd be very surprised if this, whatever, whoever's in power, whatever the level, even if there's factions at disagree, I don't see any of them allowing the United States to go in and take out the uranium. I, I just, I believe that the goal now is here to disable the government so much, and maybe even targeted strikes on the government that's left,

and then have an uprising. I still believe that that's what the United States is thinking. I don't think you'll get to the point where you'll have whoever's left in power of the Iranian guard. Because they're gone, they're all dead.

If, you know, if uranium is gone and the, the government collapses,

or dead, the, the public, you know, will take, if there's a revolution, the people that murdered the people that are responsible, you know, in all likelihood, will be taken out. I don't, I don't see it as the oil embargo will make allow them to say, okay, the United States can come in and take all the uranium,

and then what do we do afterwards?

“Because once the uranium is gone, what power do they have?”

Well, the United States, then now there is a possibility that you, they say, take out the uranium, but we stay in power, and then the blockades gone, and then they're back in power again, and we deal with this in another 20, 30 years. No, I, I think that's definitely a possibility, and, and on the enriched uranium front,

again, that's best case scenario, them getting to the point where they're handing it over. I, I don't have much confidence in that given, given who they are. Because now, what does the CIA know? If the Trump came out and said, we're going to continue this blockade, is the blockades only, because remember, everything changes day by day.

The United States may be going, my God, we didn't know what's having this effect on them. We believe, because they're in contact with the opposition groups. We believe this could destroy them completely. Not only could we get to the uranium, we could, we might be able to get that government out. There might be a possibility that the Shah's son could, you know,

or the former parliamentary speaker, even though the United States isn't too friendly with, and hasn't been really in favor of the Shah's son taking over a temporary government. But if that's a possibility, because things change all the time, depending on what effect you're having, and what's really going on with the Iranian government, which most people really don't know, except for the massade and maybe US intelligence.

Yeah, it's, you know, and that's the other thing too. An uprising would also have to come from parts of whatever is left of their military, because whoever is going to be a part of this, and lead this uprising, is going to have to be armed and heavily armed. They're going to have to be fortified.

It's going to require a situation where it's not going to be a small group. It has to be well organized. It has to be quite frankly well funded. It has to be well equipped, well armed. Because you risk a civil war.

Yes. I mean, you may risk a civil war anyway. Yes.

“No, no, I think, I think to some extent, there will be that.”

I mean, if you want to call it a civil war, it would just be choosing the right moment to strike,

And I firmly believe there could be.

“I don't know if it would come from Israel or who knows.”

But equipment, because the one thing that Israel has done in the past, they've shown their intel as superior. They know every movement, every inside angle. And that's a possibility. But an uprising requires organization and a precision and a well-armed group in order to strike

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clearly we know what the minimum standard is for the president. And that is that they have no potential to create nuclear weapons. That the uranium is enriched uranium is gone completely. I saw John Bolton say, "Also, you got to get rid of whatever plutonium they have there too." You was talking about that.

Yeah, that's a great point. You know that's a minimum. But every day that moves on, remember, originally the president was talking about in his eight-minute speech, the scenario, where the people will revolt. Right.

Because of this blockade, is the economic damage so great that the president said, "I see this going on for extended period of time." And the UAW says we're going to open up our spigots. If Saudi Arabia does that in the next couple of days, that brings down,

“what oil prices, what is the goal of the United States?”

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