09-03-26 Part Two - The Lindsay Clancy Trial

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All across America, we're Red Eye Radio. He's a cruddy and I'm Gary McNamara. All right, the Lindsey Clancy trial, I mean, on social media, I mean, it's just going crazy on it. I mean, so many different paths people go down in this case, and people, you don't know what I mean, it's probably the biggest trial right now. In the United States, Clancy faces three counts of first degree murder in the deaths of her children, who were found strangled in the family's home in January 2023, trying to say not guilty through reason of insanity, postpartum depression, psychosis, is what they're using.

“We've had cases like this before, and so of course when this happens, everybody goes down whatever rabbit hole is right there at the moment.”

And it gets to the point of going, whoa, now this isn't about the actual, you know, well it is about more of the legalities of it here. And it's not about the, the women who have brought their babies outside the courthouse in support because that's just, it's bizarre, but those are again, the used to be the fringe elements of the left, but now becoming more of the mainstream of the left. But you and I were having a conversation earlier on this, I've seen things like, well, we need to ban the insanity defense in every state.

That's not going to happen. I know. I look at a case like this, because you're talking about the human mind and you're never going to get anybody to agree on anything in the human mind.

“Because it goes from one side where people believe that anything that affects you emotionally is a mental illness that you should use and as an excuse.”

And then you go to the other, the way to the other side, which is there really is no mental illness, it justifies anything, right, right. And then there's a ton of people in the middle. To me, I look at it really just just one way. And that is that whatever the, whatever the jury finds, she has admitted, she did it. Yeah, when you say, I'm pleading not guilty because a reason of insanity, it means you've admitted doing the act you've murdered. The real point should be here before you get to, all right, we need to make sure that somebody is held accountable for the evil that they've committed, right, that justice must be served.

Right, the first goal of government is to protect the people.

The reason, whether she is found not guilty by reason of insanity or found guilty, she should never be released, that's it.

Right, that's it. I mean, whatever she's a danger to society, right, whatever, whether you go to a prison or you go to a mental health facility, which hopefully would be high security, you never get out. That's simple. Right. You can't take the chance once you murder your kids. Right. You know, everything else is a debate that's never going to be solved. Well, and, and that's it because, you know, it's, you know, part of the, well, we shouldn't use insanity because it's evil. It's an evil, this is evil, this isn't insanity.

There, the problem with that, the fundamental problem with that is that until we devise a way to read people's minds and know what's in their minds and exactly how someone's particular brain is working. In this moment or know how, more importantly, that brain was working in the moment that the act was committed.

Yeah, well, if, if a man kills, kills his children, then he's evil. If a woman does it, she's, it's insanity and she goes to a mental institution.

I understand the concern there, but the problem is, is that we have a court system and it's not going to change.

It determines whether or not this person is sane or not or was sane in the moment they committed this heinous act.

“And at the end of it, the question should be, should they ever see the light of day again? Should they ever be allowed to be free again?”

Well, and the way of such a heinous act because there is no debate as to whether she, you know, did this. There's very little debate, you know, on on the crime itself now, it's about really the punishment, what she deserves.

And not having access to the public is the number one goal to make sure that she's never able to walk free in society again, because she is clearly a danger.

However, that came to be, she is a danger. And you know, there are the one case that I was on and I was a jury form for an individual who was in a mental health hospital. And he was sent to a high security mental health hospital for doing something very heinous to someone in the first mental health hospital where he was.

“And the only thing we had to decide as a jury was did we believe he required any treatment going further.”

And that big anything from one pill per day. And he's free to walk about in society or to confinement. We weren't there to decide what level of treatment just yes or no does this warrant further treatment. And then the court would decide what treatment that was going to be. So it was a very easy decision for us as a jury. What a British lawyer is so close to an ordinary man. A man is a man. And if you're the judge, a little bit of a period between him and the judge. But even though he is now just the period of the time, it's not a matter of time. There are only one cases.

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“Where are the most important reasons from the earth? And where do I get to get to the right path?”

Of course in European Union, with the greatest news of the world. A lot of 1,000 people are waiting for you. With a powerful view and a really powerful gift. You look at a situation like this and it's not the first time we've seen this. Where women kill their own children. And it's really hard to understand. It's hard to understand parental abandonment. Let alone murdering your own children. Taking the lives of your own children. And with women, those children were a part of their body for months.

How is it that that can happen? I'm not a psychologist. I can't tell you. I don't know everything is a case by case basis. But this idea of doing away with the mental health defense is not going to happen. It just simply isn't going to happen.

We can have the debate all until we're blue in the face. It just simply is never going to happen.

You're never going to agree because nobody can get inside of the human mind. But you brought down the one rabbit hole I was seeing yesterday was this happened to a man. Everybody would say that he is guilty and evil, but it happens to a woman and that's not the case or seems to be a lot more sympathy. And you can look at that as the stereotypes since men commit more violent crimes than that's what drives it or the whole thing of the men are more evil than women, whatever.

Yeah. And say that women and therefore, you know, men are more evil. And then say that any case where women's involved in a crime, she is not evil.

“Right. That's why each case has to be done individually. It's funny because a couple of months ago.”

I forgot, I don't know if I was on vacation or whatever, but it's, you know, the, the all the different murder mysteries that are on, you know, the old 20, 20s, whatever, and that was the, that was the decision that I made that I will never get married or meet another woman because it was about it's the one where, you know, wives who killed their husbands. And it's just like the, the, the one where this, you know, woman was involved in, I think it was probably cyanide or whatever I can't think of what it was and how she slowly killed her husband with a shaker, whatever.

And then she was on the TV promoting a book about her husband dying and how long I just watched a whole documentary on that. Yeah, you saw that one. And you're just like, I think it was a Netflix documentary. And you're like, holy crap, is she evil, you know, so evil can exist in women and men and to make those stereotypes to justify what your opinion is in a particular case. And in that case, yeah, in that case, they had communications between her and, and other people that showed that this was premeditated and that this is, you know, this was not something where she snapped.

There was actually, there's actually a show. I don't think it's still on called snap.

And yeah, yeah, and, you know, again, I'd have to go back case by case and say whether or not I buy into the, you know, did they snap or was this premeditated or was this person, you know, did this person have a tendency to want to kill. It was just the way they were wired when they were born. They, are they just a psychopath, you know, there are so many different possibilities that you have to consider.

“And, you know, in a situation, and I think that's why it's.”

And, Derek's true stand-up comedian says one of the scariest TV shows he watches is unsolved mysteries because every week is like, well David killed half the people in his neighborhood and left no fingerprints and we can't find him. We'll see all next week, you know, and, you know, it's. That's scary. But when you look at these true crime and these true crime, all these true crime documentaries and shows and everything else that that have been on for. The longest time on television and now they're all over social media and YouTube.

And now true crime crime podcasts, which. They're on, and then they're doing a YouTube. Yeah, it's just, yeah, I catch a majority of them on YouTube. Right now they're playing them on YouTube. Right.

They do is they, their old library, basically, is on YouTube and they're demonetizing in a way. These networks are demonetizing and in that new way. And these cases, sometimes these cases have actually been updated since the first airing of them.

They don't always update them, but you look at a situation like this.

And we can go into the debate on postpartum. But then again, going back to, you're going to have to be able to read the mind. You're going to have to know to what degree because postpartum depression is real. It's a very real phenomenon. And no one is debating that.

The question is, does it apply here?

“Because the concern by those who say, well, but what if the mom is actually just a psychopath?”

And then the lawyers are just claiming that she's, you know, this insanity defense, you know, or what if she's just an evil person? And they're just claiming defense because it's so easy. And it's easy for other moms to relate to, which is how you get moms out in the hallway with their own children, who will tell you I've been through postpartum depression.

I don't understand that kind of showing at a trial. I understand mothers saying, hey, I've been through postpartum depression. And it's really bad. It kind of ends there because again, we don't know what was in her mind. At that time, there's no way to fully know how her mind was working.

Right.

“Is medically how you, does that mean you don't know the difference between right and wrong?”

Right. Because because that's the basis because most in most states, technically that's, that's a definition of insanity. Right. So, okay, I can still have these horrible thoughts, but I know it's wrong. Right.

Well, because then you get into the debate of, and this has been the debate on not just martyrs, but also suicides. Because, you know, there was the debate that went on for a long time with people who attempted suicide or eventually maybe even sadly committed suicide. And the debate then became, well, but you know, and you had psychiatrists, psychologists come out and say, well, these individuals firmly believe the world is a better place without it without it. So, in the case of a murder, does this person believe that this, what did they truly believe, whatever reason they're using?

“This was better for society, better for the children, better for the family, whatever they're trying, whatever case they're trying to make.”

And it's impossible to know. Well, you can make these claims all day, but until you can read that mind, you can't prove one way or the other. Only through, even a series of psychological exams that they go through is, are they fit to stand trial, right? When they go through these psychological exams, the smartest of individuals can likely manipulate those exams.

These questions are never answered because they people who attempt suicide, you know, don't, they don't go to trial.

You don't see it, but, you know, and I've known a couple people, we both know someone that very young, beautiful woman who committed suicide still haunts me to this day. Yeah. And, but, you know, in many cases, it's like they truly believe, as you just said, the world's a better place without them. Now, we know there is no logic in that opinion at all. So the question would be if it drives you to commit suicide is that mental illness and is that different, of course, a different from somebody who, for example, obtained incredible fame and has been a pedophile and they got caught.

“And they knew it was awaiting them and they commit suicide.”

Is there a difference in the mental state between the two? Yes. You can one be viewed, be viewed as mental illness and the other one just an evil person wanting the easy way out. Right. Yeah, I guess you could look at that. Sure.

Say that it's not the same, but unless you're in that, unless you can get inside that mind, which none of us can, you can't. So the only solution is it doesn't matter whether she has found, you know, guilty or not guilty, all that matters is we know it's been set. She did it. Yeah. She killed her own children.

Yeah.

You never, wherever you send you is up to the courts, but you never get out as to be the solution.

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And I've seen every opinion known to mankind, and as we stated, unless you can get into the mind, you don't know.

“So when you plead insanity, you're saying, "I did it, I just plead insanity."”

Fine. That means you just go to a different institution where you never get out.

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That you can celebrate early. Well, I just made it sound like I was disappointed that today wasn't Friday. Yeah, no, it could be. We could decide not to commit to it. Well, in two months, you know, two months is five years past my normal retirement age.

Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, yeah, two months is five years past my normal retirement age. So I can't fake that I don't want to be here because I'm here because I wish to be here. You know, tomorrow is tomorrow. September 4th is my 42nd anniversary in radio. Actually, while actually September 4th is the date stamped on my FCC license.

Ha ha ha. I have an FCC license. You still have year. I still have it.

“Was it was it was it was it the FCC license three or something?”

I don't know, it just has FCC license. You've got that little card. Yes. I still have it. We all used to stamped.

Remember, I remember the day that I got. I remember the day that I went down to the federal building in Buffalo, New York to get my FCC license because back then. Like, we don't need, I mean, you don't need one now. No, I mean, unless you're an engineer. Yeah.

But it's where, you know, we used to when you go to work for radio station. You know, you'd be in the studio and right next door. You would be the transmitter readings. You had to take the transmitter readings. So you needed an FCC license to do that job to do that part of the job because they didn't want an engineer.

They're all the time taking the readings. Right. So you had to do it. But that proud moment. I was in college and I went down and got my FCC license.

I was proud to be regulated by the bureaucrats. I was, you know, out in West Texas, small town, 18 years old. But we didn't have a federal building in town. I don't know, we probably did. You put it to the post office again.

No, we sent off work. Oh, did you? Yeah. So that's the date they stamped it.

“I think I actually started some time in August and I remember.”

But I always used that as my, it's the only thing I have to go on because the station's no longer around.

Nobody knows the date I started. There's probably no way of finding the actual date I started. There might be, I might be able to track it down. But I think it was sometime in early August of that year. Wow.

Yeah. 18 years old. Well, it's a month from right now. First week of October. We'll be 37 years in talk radio.

Yeah. Yeah, 30 coming up for me. It's crazy. 37. Yeah.

Yeah. 37 in talk. And what is a 44, 45 overall? Yeah. Damn.

That's insane. I know because it, you know, the thing is, we've talked about this before. You know, when, when, you know, you view. And what I do is I go back to how I thought about things in the 70s. Right.

You know, so if something in 1975, when I was in college, you thought, well, you know,

1940.

And now you say 35 years ago, that's 1991.

Yeah. It doesn't seem that long ago. Doesn't. No. It's still the same world where we viewed and probably too, because when we go back to, you know,

when in 75, everything was in color by that time, you know, you go back and, you know, to the, to the, the 40s and the majority of things were still black and white. Yeah. And so you go back and you look at that. It's like, well, yeah, but that's because, you know, it was black and white, not color.

Well, you know, when something comes up on YouTube, it'll be like a live, like a Van Halen concert from 78 or something. Yeah. And you're watching it and it just looks and sounds ancient. Because it's ancient.

You know, if you think about Elvis Presley's career, essentially was 55 to 77 when he passed August the 77.

So we're talking roughly 22 years.

He really was on the rise in in 57. So, you know, the brunt of that, the, of his, fame is real global fame was about 20 years. Well, that would be going back to 2006. Taylor Swift has a longer career.

Oh, yeah. Ben Elvis. Well, I think about the food fighters. Yeah.

“I think about, you know, different bands that have been around for somebody was talking about,”

speaking of Dave Grohl, Queen's of the Stone Age, one of my favorite bands. And they had a song in the early 2000s, you know. Um, it, I, I, I look at that and go, that's insane. That's crazy. Well, when you think about it, you know, like, Lincoln Park began, like, was a 2000 2001, right?

Yeah. Somewhere there.

It had been, that's 26 years ago.

No, I mean, it, it, it's really wild. And now watch these younger comedians talking about, you know, growing up in the 90s. And I'm like, whoa, whoa. And they, and they talk about the same things, you know, that we talk about, you know, that you would play outside on your bicycle and the, and the whole thing.

And, you know, and I'm, I'm like, what's it that way in the 90s? Because I had kids in the 90s. [laughter] I don't know. You know, it got me and it was, was last week of the week before.

It was the, the anniversary of Boston album coming out 50 years ago. Oh, 50 years ago. It's like, what? Yeah. Have censored.

We did, but tell you, talking about, yeah.

“I remember everybody's like, because of the, we made the Tom Schultz,”

produced that, it just, it had a different sound. Yeah. And everybody went, wow, look at this technology. And what kind of different sound is this? Yeah.

And it's still on a, we were still playing record albums. Oh, wow. And think about this. The CD is viewed as completely and totally antiquated. No, I mean, it's like CDs.

Yeah. Come on. Right. And, you know, and it's, I don't know. It's, I saw, I saw a local, it was actually, it was a local show,

but it came up on YouTube, but the band LA guns. I didn't follow them much. But they did it. But they were, you know, they, they had a couple of songs, you know, on rock radio back in the day.

And the lead singer Phil Lewis, you know, up there. And he, he's got gray hairs, lick back and was wearing suspenders. And like a business shirt. Seriously. It was, it was a local Dallas show from June of this year.

And I'm thinking, what happened? What happened? You know, he looks like he's ready to, or may have just come from work. Sorry. I'm late.

My boss kept me. You know what I mean? And I mean, they were one of those LA bands. They, you know, have a connection to like guns and roses. And the same era of motley crew after motley crew was established.

But, you know, 80s kind of LA bands. The rest of the band still looks roughly the same, but older. I don't know how many original members like there still are. But remember, bands reunited? Yeah.

That was like 2004. Yeah, 2003, 2004. Right.

“And remember, then they brought flaccicegols together?”

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the drummer was the lead singers. Well, excuse me, the drummer was the lead singer's brother. Yeah.

I can't think of his name. Yeah. I just can't think of his name right now. But remember, they got him in a company. He looked like an old man.

And that was 2004. Yeah.

Yeah. And now, I just can't think of the lead singer. The name of, of, of, of flaccicegols.

“Well, I think of like Dale Bosio, the lead singer of missing person.”

Yeah. Yeah.

To me, she always seemed old.

I don't know why. I think it was their voice when she talked. And rock radio. We do a lot of interviews with her back in the day. Yeah.

No. Alley score was was the drummer. Okay. Alley score was a brother. Yeah.

Yeah. Mike score is the lead. And he's playing a, a guy know real well with a tremendous band. Still producing albums out of Canada, the spoons. Mm-hmm.

Is the League of Tars took over member Paul Reynolds and came with the glasses. Yeah. And I'll see people right and they'll go. Which was Paul Reynolds. They got some other guitarists.

I'm like, he's one of the best guitarist. Areas and symphonies from 1982 is one of the best albums that came out of the 80s from the spoons in Canada. Yeah. That's a great guitarist songwriter.

Just come out with a new album. But when you see Mike score up there, you know, not with that hair from flock of sea goals. But in all these people like cheering, it seems like it's so ancient. Well, wave seems ancient. It's not like I can't believe it.

I was completely out of touch. I saw, I just saw the thumbnail. I didn't listen to it. But it was tears for fears. And I was like, that old man has really long hair.

Or collect a soul, the lead singer, collect a soul was on.

“I think it was earlier this year or last year with Rick Biotto on his YouTube channel.”

And his hair is like completely gray. Like what happened? What what happened? You know, then you look at like John Bon Jovi.

You know, he quickly basically quit dying his hair a while back.

Yeah. You know, and it's gray. I mean, he still looks like he stays in shape. But I mean, it's pretty gray. And I'm thinking, ah, this might be a case for a hair color.

And the best thing is though. Yeah. I go all the way back and even wave further than that. Yeah. And myself and Jim myself is still like as maybe a 30 year old.

Oh, me too. The mayor. I see this men and yeah, they got a remained young. Look, this stranger that keeps popping up in my mirror. You know, it's weird.

Look, I'll look at the mirror. Who are you? Is a guy with the droopy eyes and the wrinkles. Man, you don't. Yeah.

No, that's me. No, for the first few seconds. I'm giving this guy medical advice.

“You should do something about those eyes.”

You look tired, you should go nap. Yeah. And put some clothes on. Yeah. I was a old guy, perennial, I'm naked in front of the mirror.

And that's me. All right. You're wearing a cowboys hat and swim fins. What's going on with you? All right.

Some good news here. Okay. To, to basically, you know, almost finish this hour. All right. Republicans need to promote this.

And so, just Trump. Yeah.

Food stamp and Roman fell from 30 or from fell from 42.3 million to 36.3 million.

To 36.6 million between May of last year and May of this year, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. And Roman has returned to pre-pandemic levels, though it's still higher as a share of the population than it was two decades ago, but it's coming down. Nearly half the states registered enrollment declines were greater than 10 percent. Connecticut, 15.7 percent Indiana, 15.8.

Texas, 16.6. Utah in Illinois, 16.7. Oklahoma, 19.6. Louisiana, 21.5. Florida, 22.2 percent decrease.

Georgia, 36.5 percent. And Arizona, 53.8 percent decline. And what they're saying was because the federal government was paying so much of it. States had no reason to be efficient. And they put in the work rules.

Right. So able-bodied people had to find work. And they made the states responsible if you're percentage of what do they call it? The ones that weren't accurate fraud, fraud, whatever. Right.

They made them do that. And the states were complaining about it and they said, well, then why is, why do our overpayment and seven times larger than underpayments? Right. Exactly.

And so the federal government made the states responsible and said, you're going to be penalized. You're going to have to pay for it. Yep. And they shaped up.

It's something that the Republicans promoted before for the life of me. You should be promoting the daylight side of it now.

Right.

“Don't do something that the public wanted.”

And then don't promote the daylight side of it when you succeed. But it was interested in about Trump one time, why does Trump promote the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal? Yeah. Who he criticized is all the time.

At the end of his first term when he was running for real life.

Right. And this is Wall Street Journal writing way to go Trump way to go. It's like, ah, they need to promote it. The GOP and Trump need to promote this. We are right.

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And this one is this one was really my favorite because it shows a picture. But you if you've seen it on social media, the Philadelphia Eagles mail cheerleaders. Yeah.

And not it's not the typical, you know, that you're probably the stereo type that you're

thinking of at a college football game where they're doing the flips and everything else. It was a shot. I say a very a feminine dance. Yeah. That they were doing.

Right. And so I could Babylon be Tim Walls to head up the Vikings cheerleaders squad. And there's a picture of him in a cheerleading outfit. It's pretty fun. That's it.

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