09-04-26 Part Two - The Firing of Maria Bartiromo

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All across America, we are Red Eye Radio. He is Eric Hurley, and I'm Gary McNamara. Welcome in good morning. Hi. Wow, talking about we did mention Maria Bartiramo, and the fact that she's gone from Fox News, and the stories that are out there, all source stories.

Yeah. And both sides are really reporting it. You see even Republican influencers saying that she wanted to talk about when the President spoke. What was it in late July and talked about the Chinese interfering in the elections?

“Right, right. And we had said, you need to explain it.”

You really never did. Never went into specific details.

Never got any. Right. And the story is apparently, she wanted to cover it, or maybe the producer wanted to come. I don't know what, you know, we don't know the specifics of it. And, you know, Fox told her, no. You're not, no, I don't know what the story was about.

You know, what she was going to, what she was going to do on the story. We have no idea. The problem is, because, you know, you and I were the first thing I thought of you, because we think of the business side of it first. And we're like, oh, okay, she was like, oh, she just signed a contract last year. They all signed guaranteed contracts. Yeah.

So nobody's going to let you go unless it's for cause. Right. And, you know, just sit there and say, I think I want to cover this story. And you say, no, you say, well, I, you know, I have, I have, you know, editorial control of my show. Yeah. You know, that's, you know, that's, you can't fire me for cause on that.

And apparently, I mean, everyone's reporting this don't again, if it's true, that would be the cause if it's true. And we have not heard from her side yet on it. And that is, she shared a text with the White House and internal text with the White House. Yeah. That'll get you fired from any media organization.

Yeah. And if you share anything internal. Yes. With, well, with technically with anyone outside your organization, yeah, most organizations have a very clear rules about that. If it's, if you're talking about an internal memo,

it's, if it's not something that hasn't, if it's something that hasn't been shared publicly, because they are publicly traded company, you know, about the company. If it's an internal memo, not shared with the public, that, that could be cause.

“Yeah. And if, if that's what it is, that would be the official reason.”

If that's true, that would be the official reason for being fired.

I'd tell you though, that's, you know, that was the first thing American I thought of the business thing we thought.

Yeah. Yeah. I got guaranteed contracts. Yeah. This sounds like she got fired for cause. What would the cause be?

Would have to be. And then that part of it came out because we're like, well, I don't understand the debate. If you're having a debate about what you're going to talk about with the producers and management, you know, if they fire you, they got to pay you for the rest of the contract. Nobody really wants to do that.

Right. And, and so I will say one thing though. Because it's the first. I am so glad I'm in this side of the business.

This is one of the reasons that Eric and I would never want to do TV.

The fact that you've got to run it up and down the line, anything that you talk about. Yeah. Well, it's end and if they have their own agenda. And it's like, okay, you can't step outside the agenda in any way. And we need you to basically follow the formula I couldn't do it.

Right. There's just, there's no way to do that. Because if you can't, if I can't do it with conviction on every level, I can't, I can't perform for the company.

And one of the reason I never want to do television is the fact that the fact is you have producers that actually

produce the show and tell you you have discussions, well, we believe this is going to be the story of the day. And what you believe the story of the day should be is not what the producers might want it to be. And they get to make the call on it as to even the order in which you're going to cover stuff. Right. I just, sorry, couldn't, just, just, I couldn't do that.

“And that's why again, and, and I've said it many, many times before, the, when you think about it, when you think about it.”

And I've had individual owners and major corporations that own the real estate of shows that I've done. And you, you really think about, you know, take me the complete context, you really wonder about the sanity of any management I've ever worked for that would say, hey, you're Gary McNamara. Yeah, we want you to go on the air and say whatever you want and we'll pay you for it. And we believe that we can get sponsors to sell it. Really?

Are you out of your mind? Are you drunk? I should have come back news. Let it off. It's over now.

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We've always, we've always taken the trust that they have in us every management that I've ever worked for.

And I have extreme amount of gratitude for that, but there's an extreme amount of responsibility that's involved in it.

“You have to know that you're opinions, and I'm not saying this is the case at all for Maria at all, but Fox has dealt with this.”

What was it? What did what did the election of 2020 cost him? Quarter of a billion bucks? Well, it was more than that. You can sit there, and you can go the president, whoever the president may be at this time, not the attacking trump. You can go the president's an idiot. He's a jerk. You can do that.

But you can't say that a company broke the law unless you've got the evidence that they broke the law. I'm just using that as a generic thing, as a company that they did this, and they did that, and they did this. Yeah.

What dominion alone, it was $787 million.

Yeah. So close to a billion dollars. Well, you do that. You lose that. Whatever the reason, you have a justifiably paranoid management at that point. Well, and that's it, because if the approach is going to be, well, we're going to do this story.

Then the concern has to be from management after, you know, still looking their wounds. There are $787 million wounds.

“Are you going to name names if you're going to name names?”

That's where you get into a tremendous liability area. And it would be different if like another news group did a story. Yeah, exactly. You know, or that there were some kind of settlement or case that the, let's say the American government brought officially against actors in another nation or whatever.

And that then you could cite what was filed and you could go on that. If, if you're citing names, companies, quite frankly, other nations. I mean, because I would think to get any credibility, if you're going to say,

You're probably going to include organizations other than just the government of China. Well, I mean, I think it's safe to say we know China and other nations interfere with elections all the time. That's not something that is that that's something that we interfere and other elections outside the US.

“We put propaganda out if you want to call that interference.”

We put propaganda of our own out and other nations during their election cycles as well. But if you're talking about doing a story and you start naming names, you get into a very. Very sensitive, probably, especially sensitive at Fox News area. Well, she had to if that again, she if that were if that's what's going on. She had to apologize, remember after Kevin O'Leary was on the show and made an accusation that one of the projects.

AI projects he was involved in that the people that you know were involved in it were somehow influenced by China. She had to go on an apologizing say we have no evidence that that's true after that report was done. Right. And so when you have to do when you when you have to apologize and again, you can have a guest on. But the fact is at that point, you've got to address that.

“That guest to go, whoa, well, you just made an allegation there. What are you talking about? Right. Where's your evidence that this is actually true?”

Because I haven't heard of this and you know, I'm not going to let you come on the show and say something that I don't have direct evidence is true. Exactly. And so you've got to defend, you know, do I have the facts or do I not have the facts? Now I didn't hear that interview that she did, you know, with him. But in my, what does it know October 1st, 37 years, 37 years of talk radio. And then being a manager even over a talk show for longer so it's not over, you know, I was the station manager over a talk show that somebody else who talks shows other people were doing.

Never had in 40 years never had to apologize once for anything that was said because I thought it would get us, you know, a defamation of character lawsuit ever.

Now once, not even close, not even somebody inquiring or saying something where I'm going to get you for that or whatever, because it was never. I, I reported and talked about and so do you what the news is we talked about the news is already out there. And even if there's a source story thing will tell you where suspicious of that one just like we did with, you know, Maria here we're like, this is what's being reported, you know, if it ends up being the truth. This would be, you know, that would be justifiable this wouldn't be here's maybe the possibilities.

Right, these are the media outlets that are reporting this from source stories. We don't have a lot of confidence in source stories because they've been wrong so many times. Has she responded to it? No, has Fox responded to it? No, whether it be more stories coming out. Yes, our both sides reporting this story. Well, it's more from the liberal side, but you do have especially influencers are conservative influencers on exit or reporting it.

“Yeah, right. Right. And they're angry about it. They may have two different opinions on it, but let maybe going, say she screwed up and the rights going, can you believe they fired her for that?”

But the fact is both are reporting basically the same story.

Right. And that's that's the difference. I don't need to break news. I don't need to break news that I don't know whether it's true or not. I don't need to. Why would I do that? To me, it's useless to do something like that to give you an idea of what's going on in the media. Oh, yeah.

And then I people are smart enough to go, okay, you guys aren't saying she did this or did that. You're just saying these are what other sources are saying, other news sources are saying, and you're questioning whether it's true or not. You're safe there legally at that point. Plus, it's the right thing to do morally. Well, I would want to get it right for the sake of getting it right.

Yeah. I want to be accurate and I don't want to get burned by a source.

I don't want to get burned by a guest because it all falls on me ultimately.

Yeah. And that's again, but we talked about Brett Bear. And he had a breaking story one night said his sources tell him that Hillary is going to be indicted on the whole email thing. That was 2016, right? Yeah.

And it turned out not to be true. And we remember what we said by a sources. We said that night, you better be right. You better be right on that because otherwise if you get burned, you got burned by a source. Yep.

But it falls on him.

If you trust the source and go on that yours, you touched it, you want it.

And if you're not, again, this is why and you can talk about playing it safe or doing this.

“If you want to be an investigative reporter, go be an investigative reporter and good luck because there's a ton of liability,”

especially in today's world that comes with that. There is a very, in fact, I think a very good reason to have a, we should have more investigative reporters. But you have to be careful in how you phrase it. Here's what I found. Here's what I found.

Here's what I have. Here's evidence. I think Catherine Harwich is one of those who breaks down things. She looks at things. Prince everything off. She circles things, highlights things.

I mean, she goes through it with a fine tooth comb and has a very good,

“I believe business practice in that, in that way.”

And that's something you have to do.

Approach it carefully and always be unsure of footing.

Otherwise, you stand the very rear risk of getting burned and losing a career, maybe. So, or a billion dollars. Yeah. You know, if your company has to pay 787 million dollars for that. Oh.

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I'm taking legal action over my ejection from the Chicago sky game while peacefully exercising my first amendment rights.

All right. My T-shirt did with the whole WNBA apparently could not do define a woman, no threats, no violence, just biology and somehow that required a security escort. You know, the thing is you really don't have when you're in a private thing like situation like that. You probably don't have first amendment rights like you would in a protest somewhere.

“Right. In your when you were particularly, you know, you're at a game, whatever, but the fact is she came after him.”

She pointed at him. He simply responded. He did not start that from what I can see. Remember, the player scored the basket. Yep. She turned at him. Yep. And he was screaming at him and he was put his hands up like, like what, like what, like what, what, what, what, what, what, what, who'd be interesting to see what happens here. You know, you know, I think the settlement should be what the settlement should be nobody admits fault, but they settle and he becomes a member of the Chicago sky. Oh, I think that should be the settlement. That should be the settlement.

And he should say, I'm doing this. I'm going to play for the Chicago sky, and I'm doing this in memory of glory, the late Gloria Steinem. Okay. What you would have wanted for women's rights.

Yeah, I, I, I'd love to see that happen. The best thing is both of them, uh, canter, uh, freedom and, uh, also Royce White.

They're not stopping. They're not wimping out. They keep taking it more forward.

“Which I knew they were going to do because you have to do that.”

Yeah, because you have to force them. You have to force them to defend what they believe, or at least explain what they believe. Yep. They believe they can debate without explaining what they believe. And do that.

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So we'll be back, uh, Sunday night, a week from Sunday night, which is the morning of Monday, the 14th, halfway through September about, what, seven, roughly seven weeks from the election. Seven weeks in a day, I think, from the election. Oh, wow. That's going to be crazy. I know. Yeah. We'll be interesting to see what happens. All right, we got to clean the desk that we do. All right. Here's a story. The California arm of the Communist Party has officially endorsed the California billionaires tax, like that's a surprise.

Is that news? Is that even news? No. That's not even. No. Uh, the, uh, the officially through their support behind the Proposition 40 on Thursday, urging voters to support a one-time 5% tax on the state's roughly 200 billionaires. It's up to all of us. The 99% to turn out with mass of vote with the mass of vote and show these billionaires that it's time for them to pay their fair share.

The group wrote on its website. See, this is another thing. No. We've, we've had a discussion this week that liberals never have to explain anything.

Mm-hmm. What is a fair share? Right. Now, I've been asking that. I've been asking that for 37 years as a radio talk show host. Yeah. Well, 37 years as a first week of October. Mm-hmm. Nobody's ever answered that on the left. Ever. Not once. Not not to me. Not on any show I've ever watched. Not on any new show. Not on Fox. Not on CNN. Not on MSNow. No where. Not on PBS. No Democrat has ever answered the question. What's a fair share? Never. They can't define fair. They can't define fair. No, they can't. Which they don't want it to be fair. It's whatever they want now.

“Yeah. Yep. Oh, wow. I just, I love this. I, I, I love this. And I think I think all liberal states should enact statewide health care that they are willing to pay for.”

They should all have billionaires taxes. They should have millionaires taxes. Keep taxing the people more. Tax the people like Norway does. Mm-hmm. Because it's what you say you want. So do it. Yeah. As we have stated before that California, Colorado and Vermont had the opportunity to get a statewide health care with a state pays for everything.

Every single one of them did not do it. Why? Because they didn't want to pay for it. Right.

Liberalism is selfishness. It's selfishness. It's entitlement. We won't be here for 9/11. We won't get back to laughter. Has reading Peggy Newton's thing about 25 years of thinking about 9/11? And she has the quote there from, I think it was one of the rescue workers. The 3000 were dead.

They were exploded into the air. They became a cloud. We breathed them in.

“Whoa. Yeah. A significant portion of the nation has not only, you know, never forget.”

Ah! It's not never forget. It's let's take the side of the ideology that attacked us.

Oh yeah. And ground zero for that mindset is ground zero. Yeah. It really is. Mayor, Mom, Donnie. Yep. It's unbelievable. I can't say full circle because we were never there, but certainly we're not where we were in 2001 in the days following 9/11.

And he won with no problem. Yep. No problem at all. The information was there for the voter. The New York City voter.

And he won with no problem.

“And nobody cares. It's, in fact, it's what they wanted.”

It's what they voted for as a city. It's what the majority of voters wanted. Someone who's elbowed elbow with the radicals. And politically is a radical. I've seen this over the last couple of weeks.

And I do like the fact that you have more Republicans now coming down and saying, OK, maybe we shouldn't just have been so reactionary to data centers that, yeah, maybe maybe the hype. And you hear the thing out there that it's the, the Chinese are throwing out tons of propaganda for us not to build AI centers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, they don't, they don't want that progress after you get all.

But the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal brought up a great question. It's a question. It's a question that, that we, it's a, it's a question to a statement that has been put out there that AI is going to destroy all the jobs. Right. We've been dealing with that in our modern society really since the creation of the Industrial Revolution, really from the mid-1800s when, you know, when I was, you know, 10 or 11.

And because our democracy, but really, you know, when you had the movement, people, I wonder how many people even know. I mean, probably it used to be 97, 98% of the population worked on farms. Yeah. And it completely reversed over 100 years under so years complete. So there was massive job movement at that time.

Technology will, without question, cause the jobs to change. But what we have seen from all the technological advancements that have happened. All of it. We've created way more jobs. Yeah. Right.

And, but, but the mindset, the, the popular mindset has always been technology will destroy jobs.

And we see it with AI that it, it's going to move jobs. It will destroy jobs.

“It will create more creative destruction if you want to call it in, in the free market capital”

system, which is technology comes. Some jobs go away, but a bunch of new jobs are created. Right. And also journal editorial board, the data center dividend for workers. The Bureau of Labor Statistics last week published industry level data on state and county employment

and wages through March of the year. We compared growth in Loudon County, Virginia known as the data center alley with other Washington D.C. suburbs since early 2020 before the pandemic. The disparities are striking. Loudon has long been a hub for data center development because of its easy zoning,

It is an exerving county with more land for growth than older suburbs closer to D.C.

“But it's also embrace growth unlike the older suburbs.”

Construction growth has accelerated amid the AI boom with permitted data center space increasing

by someone 150 percent between 2020 and 2025.

Jobs have followed most counties surrounding the capital have experienced little job growth since the pandemic. Loudon County, the exception with employment surging 17.4 percent since 2020. Jobs increased by 1 percent or less in Fairfax County, Virginia. Prince George's County, Maryland, Virginia's Arlington County,

negative 7.3 percent and Maryland's Montgomery County shut jobs at a 5.6 percent rate. Construction jobs increase 60 percent in Loudon far more than Fairfax 6.3 percent. Arlington 8.2 percent, Prince George's 8.3 percent, Montgomery 12.8 percent decline. Job growth from data center construction also appears to have a positive spill over labor effect in other industries, employment and leisure and hospitality increased 6.8 percent in Loudon

“while declining in other DC suburbs since early 2020.”

It's not an isolated example. Met is a massive data center project in Richland Parish. In Louisiana is helping revive the poor rural farming community since the first quarter of last year. Private employment in Richland has grown 41 percent. An average weekly wages have shot up 61 percent neighboring parishes of experienced little or no

growth in a single year, Richland's construction workforce is risen more than the tenfold with average weekly wages up 182 percent. That amounts to an annual $86,000 pay increase for construction workers. Employment and leisure and hospitality has increased 21.5 percent with average weekly wages in the industry soaring 34 percent.

While building data centers will not provide lifetime employment, many workers will be needed to run and maintain them as well as the plants that power them, politicians and both parties

“fret that AI will increase the concentration of well and leave rural communities behind”

folks in Richland who are prospering, probably don't see it that way. But the real thing is the productivity and efficiency that you get from that, which will increase profits, which means when there's increased profits, there's more capital to invest in all other industries. And all of the startups and venture capitalists and everything else.

That's where the true long-term growth will be.

There's always happened that way, always.

And yet the mindset of the American people is it will not. You and I remember Obama. While we're losing all the jobs, while we lose in the jobs, ATMs. Mr. Genius, the smartest president we ever had, Democrats still look back at Obama and say he was the guy.

He didn't even say something like computers or automation. He chose the weirdest, most archaic form of automation. Exactly. Which by the way, like we want to go back to a whole row of bank dollars being at the bank in the window. I had one of the first ATM cards that was really produced in 1974.

Yeah. And Obama just a few years ago, ATMs, taking all the jobs the way. You know, the problem. And people thought he was Democrats. He's so smart. He's such a smart man.

You know, the problem is this video killed the radio star.

That's the problem that by the way isn't true because all the, well, at least surviving MTV VJs are now doing radio. Radio, do we radio? Radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio. I'm sorry.

Video killed, huh? MTV? Where? What is MTV? I will say I did see a video a couple of weeks ago on YouTube.

Who's this old lady talking to my music? Hi, I'm Nina Blackwood. I'm like, oh my God. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. My wife just mentioned her the other day.

She was like, oh, her voice is deep. I said, there's a deeper than mine.

I did that the other day.

“I was like, who's this old lady singing that Steven Tyler?”

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Just going through the Babylon B and looking at headlines on mail and ballot and all that. Yeah, I'm going to want to go to the Supreme Court deal with this. Right.

“Supreme Court rules Democrats must steal elections in person.”

And that's actually accurate. Quit doing real news Babylon B and the other one I love is progressive church to allow mail in attendance. (laughter) Wow.

Think about it now. Yeah.

The whole liberal thing, you know, basically, you know, work.

I want to mail it in. No, seriously. I don't want to go into work. I don't want to mail it in. I don't want to mail it in.

Why I have my opinions.

“I don't want to have to answer questions.”

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