159: How To Invest Your First $1,000

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Everyone in welcome back to the rich Habits Podcast. A top 10 business podcast on Spotify. Brought to you by public.com By the end of this episode, you'll understand exactly where your first investment dollars should go.

Why waiting for the perfect moment is costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars. And why learning by doing beats analysis paralysis every single time. My name is Austin Hankwitz. I'm joined by my co-host Robert Croke.

Robert is a seasoned entrepreneur with lifetime revenues of over 300 million.

And I'm a multi-millionaire in my late 20s with a background in finance and economics. As the show name might suggest every episode, we talk about rich Habits. As they relate to business, finance and mindset. Robert, what are we talking about in today's episode? In today's episode of the rich habits podcast, we're breaking down exactly where your first

investment dollars should go.

“Why you need to stop waiting for perfection.”

And why the best investment education is just getting in the game. They're getting a ton of messages from people who have their first 500. Their first thousand, maybe $2,000 saved up. And they don't know where to start and they're scared of making the wrong choice. Meanwhile, the money is sitting in a checking account earning them nothing.

People will spend six months researching the perfect investment. Reading every book, watching every YouTube video. While during those six months, their money earned zero returns as the markets go up. Mid single digits. And it's not that people aren't interested because our own research is showing that over 40% of folks who aren't invested in 2026 say it's because they don't know where to get started.

So someone's listening to this episode right now. And they're saying, listen, I've got a thousand dollars.

I'm ready to get invested for the very first time.

“If this is you, the first question you need to be asking yourself is,”

do you have an emergency fund? Because if you don't have any cash at all set aside for emergencies, that first thousand dollars shouldn't go into investments at all. It should be going into a high yield savings account on public.com as a start for your sort of beginner emergency fund. Now, the reason why I say beginner is because I tell people they need to aim to have three to six months of their expenses saved in an emergency fund. But realistically, if you're just starting out even $500 or $1,000 is a huge buffer when life happens and you need to tap into that rainy day fund.

It means you are not swiping a credit card the next time your car breaks down or you have that unexpected medical bill. But let's now say Robert, someone has that $500 or $1,000 set aside into this beginner emergency fund. They're working on it and they've got some extra money beyond that. So now, where does that first investment dollar go? Yeah, they have to start by asking yourself, do I have an employer match for my 401k?

If your employer matches your 401k contributions, even if it's just three or four percent of your annual salary, this is literally free money. You can contribute this thousand dollars, they can contribute their own thousand dollars, resulting in an instant 100% return before any market growth. So if you have access to a 401k match at work and you're not taking advantage of it, you're leaving money on the table.

“And you should only be contributing up to the match.”

If they match up to four percent of your salary, contribute the four percent, you don't have to max it out right away, but get the match first, get that free money. But let's now say someone has that beginner emergency fund covered. They're getting that 401k match or maybe they don't even have a 401k match strategy because their employer doesn't offer a 401k money. And they still need to get invested. They've got a thousand dollar sitting ready to go, what do they do Robert?

Well, we talk about this to where blue in the face, but everyone needs to have that Roth IRA opened up and put it in a broad market index fund like the S&P 500 via VO or VTI, these ETFs that we talk about all the time.

We encourage people to do this on public.com because they're offering a 1 percent match right now on all of your Roth IRA contributions.

But I'm going to explain why because I think people over complicate the Roth IRA and what should it be invested into.

“People get it wrong. A Roth IRA is a retirement account where you contribute after tax dollars and then all the compound growth is tax free.”

You can withdraw your contributions anytime without penalty and when you retire, you don't pay taxes on any of the gains.

One other thing I want to add, make sure you understand this is an investment vehicle.

When you put the money into the Roth, you still have to invest it into these funds we're talking about here today.

“That's right, it's like in account you contribute money to it and then once the money is in there it has to go get invested.”

That's a great call at Robert. I'd a friend that had been maxing out her Roth IRA for three years and it was just sitting in cash because she had no idea you had to go invest the money.

But let's, you know, talking about money here in numbers. Let's look to put some numbers around some of this, right? So if you put that $1,000 into a Roth IRA and it is invested into the S&P 500 for 30 years, it grows into $15,000. And you do not owe a diamond taxes on that $14,000 profit. And what's cool is the limit for 2025 contributions, which you can still contribute to last year's Roth IRA up until you file for your taxes this year in 2026. So that limit is $7,000. So that is much higher than the 1000 we're talking about right now, allowing you plenty of room to keep investing, keep contributing and building that momentum and exciting update.

“So that's the limit for 2026 is now actually $7,500. So if you're really getting aggressive here in 26, max it out, rock and roll, but you're also saying he Robert, you should be putting this money into broad market index funds like the S&P 500.”

And this is why our listeners should not take their first thousand dollars and use it to pick individual stocks. Why should they put their money into the 500 largest most profitable companies all at once in the United States here via the S&P 500 instead of those single stocks? Because so many people get it backwards when they first start investing they want to go pick a stock because they heard about a stock tip somewhere. And that is exactly the wrong thing to do because at this stage in their wealth building journeys, the goal isn't to beat the market on a hot tip.

The goal is to learn how investing works, to build the habit of investing regularly, and to get comfortable watching your money fluctuate without panicking. And a broad market index fund like VOO or VTI gives you instant diversification, you're buying a piece of 500 companies in one purchase and you're not having to try to pick a stock and time a stock or figure out how to buy individual stocks all on your own. And 100% you're not betting on whether Apple or Amazon or one of the Google right one of these names is going to outperform the stock market on any given month or even any given year you are betting that the American economy will continue to grow over the coming decades in historically speaking that has been a very good bet to make.

But now Robert what about the fees because I hear people get scared sometimes about oh if I invest in this or invest in that they've got management fees and you know they can get kind of confusing and I know a lot of people obsess over expense ratio walk us through what the fees actually mean when it comes to a VOO or a VTI or what are these broad market index funds. There's another one where so many people getting started worry about these details of what the fees are and at this stage it really doesn't matter that much especially if they're starting out with that first 500 or a thousand dollars.

You want these low cost funds you want to aim for an expense ratio under 0.1% if you can and for instance VOO is 0.03% which is why we recommend it so to recap emergency fund first 401k match second if it's available then the Roth IRA with a broad market index fund if someone follows just that framework. There ahead of 90% of the people out there and the caveat of all of this with the gold rule you can't out invest high interest debt you should not even be thinking of investing that thousand dollars in your checking account if you have credit card debt or high interest debt you got to pay those off first got to pay it off go Google debt snowball avalanche method all these of tons of free resources out there about paying off high interest debt getting out of that but yeah I mean here's the thing Robert.

If you've got high interest debt on a credit card at 20% and you're investing in the markets earning 8% 10% right you're still losing you're still paying more interest than you're earning in the market so just go use that money to go pay off those credit cards now Robert I want to talk about something that's super important when it comes to people that are starting out with this first thousand dollars and it is the phrase time in the market beats timing the market for

especially over a long period of time and without fault you end up sitting in cash waiting for a dip in the markets then the markets go up more you end up losing out it's it's just a disaster do not time the market yeah we see it every day where people think they're better than the algorithms and better than the biggest brains and the biggest funds out there

and being able to time the market and it just doesn't work or you wait for the dip and when it finally comes you're too scared to buy because everyone else is panic and time in the market just

means you're getting your money invested and leaving it there and the data is crystal clear the longer your money is invested the better your odds of positive returns are

“so Austin break down with the actual numbers are here because I think this is going to be very eye-opening for people that's right if you leave your money in the S&P 500 for one year”

any year since its inception back in the early 1900s you have a 73% chance of a positive return but over a 10 year period of time right Robert's was leaving your money in the markets right over that 10 year period so we go from one year to 10 year the odds of a positive experience jumped to 94% and once you leave your money in the markets for at least 20 years it is basically a 100% chance of positive long-term returns in the markets every 20 year period in the history of the stock market has been positive

so the risk is not being in the market the risk is not being in the market long enough and when you're just starting out with your first 1000 dollars your timeline should be decades you are not trying to turn 1000 into 10,000 in a six month period of time you're trying to build a foundation that will compound over several years and decades

“and that's why perfection doesn't matter it doesn't matter if you buy it a market high or a market low it doesn't matter if you pick the absolute best fund or just a good enough fund”

what matters is you start and you keep going and you stay consistent and the stakes are actually just super low when you're starting right this is the time to learn the time to be consistent and the time to not get fancy because the worst case scenario here is you lose a couple hundred bucks and you learn something really valuable

yeah it always bugs me when I see on the internet with the fake gurus when they're telling people if you don't have 50,000 dollars or 10,000 dollars don't even bother start investing

because they tell people it doesn't matter it's not enough money and that couldn't be further from the truth because we want you to learn early on these smaller amounts and get in the game whereas if you wait until you have 50 or 100,000 dollars saved up and you've never invested before now the stakes are high and you're still figuring it out and we don't want that so start small learn the basics build confidence because that's the whole point is get you thinking like an investor and not a consumer and staying consistent

yeah the education you get from actually doing something with your money right actually having your money invested in the market is invaluable there's a massive difference between reading a book about investing and actually doing it you can read a book about how the stock market works you can analyze companies you can try and you know build a portfolio and and come up with all these ideas but unless you actually have your own money invested it is all theoretical you don't really understand what it feels like to see your portfolio drop 10% in a week like it did during April of 2025

“you don't understand the temptation to sell when everyone's panicking or the discipline it takes to stay invested when the market is at all time highs you have to learn by doing”

yeah that's something you talk about all the time that I really enjoy is building that muscle that investing muscle so you don't have those reactions to the headlines and all the crazy things happening in the market but also you can't learn all of these things from a book the only way to learn them is by experiencing them and the best time to experience them is when you have that first thousand dollars invested

not when you have a hundred thousand dollars or a million dollars which we all know you're trending towards because you're here watching the rich habits podcast

so if you've invested a thousand dollars in the market drops 20% you lose two hundred dollars and that sucks but it's not life changing but you learn what it feels like and you learn whether you panic sell or whether you stay the course and the lesson is worth way more than the two hundred dollar difference in your portfolio over the long term

to learn about how to behave as an educated investor and the cheaper you can learn that lesson the better

“because if you wait until you have fifty thousand dollars invested and you experience that twenty percent pullback and you panic sell right you are out”

thousands of dollars in tuition to the markets instead of just two hundred dollars so Robert let's round off the episode here what are the actual lessons people learn from getting started yeah number one for me is you learn the market fluctuations are normal when you're watching from the sidelines of five percent drop sound scary but when you're actually invested you realize it happens all the time and it's not a reason for panic number two is you learn the power of consistency when you're contributing one hundred or two hundred dollars a month every month you start to see it adds up over time

it's one thing to understand what compound interest is intellectually but it's another thing to watch your balance grow month after month and number three you learn your own risk tolerance some people think they're aggressive investors until they see their portfolio drop twenty five percent and then they realize they're sick to their stomach and they can't sleep at night while other people think they're conservative until they see their bonds only returning three percent while stocks are up twenty or twenty five percent that year and they realize they want more growth

you can't know that about yourself until you're actually in the game and that information is going to inform every investment decision you make for the rest of your life what an awesome breakdown Robert I could not agree more it is so so important to actually get started and I hope everyone listening right now has a little bit of a blueprint as to how they should invest their first thousand dollars maybe as a fun game Robert before we wrap things up let's let's kind of rapid fire

“our thoughts on where they should not put a thousand dollars because I think that's just as important right and my opinion individual stocks”

so tempting to want to put your money in a Tesla or in Nvidia or whatever the hot stock is that your barber told you about

because they said hey you can turn that thousand into ten thousand but the reality is picking individual stocks is so

so hard even the professionals get it wrong more often than to get it right because if you put that thousand dollars into an individual single stock and it drops fifty percent which definitely happens all the time we're seeing it across the board right now you just lost five hundred dollars where you put that thousand dollars into an index fund in the market drops fifty percent like yeah you still lost five hundred dollars in account value but one you're holding five hundred companies that have a much more predictable recovery and two the S&P has not dropped by fifty percent in almost two decades

so there's that yeah I love that call out and number two for me would be avoid parking your first thousand dollars in crypto currency we all know I love crypto but it's extremely volatile and when you're learning how to invest you don't need to be exposed to that level of volatility it's going to mess with your head and make you think that twenty percent swings in a day is normal and if it's your first experience with investing and you're watching your crypto portfolio dropped sixty percent you're going to think investing is all gambling which it's not

and you'll probably never invest again which we don't want to see that happen so Austin we've got one we've got two individual stocks crypto what did we miss here what's the number three number three

I guess we're just like brainstorm options new trade options that's that's crazy day trading penny stocks right all this stuff that's get rich quick if you see an ad that's like yo you can turn a thousand dollars into a hundred thousand and just six months by trading forex it's like okay run the other way that's not real yeah maybe there are people that can do that but like you don't see the ninety nine people out of a hundred that go and try it and they lose all their money so you don't want to get rich quick if you invest a thousand dollars today in that broad market index fund VTI V-O-O anything

of that nature averages nine percent annual returns over thirty years that one thousand is now fourteen thousand adjusted for inflation and you don't do anything for that can even if you want add 200 bucks a month to it for that thirty a period of time and that fourteen thousand magically becomes four hundred thousand adjusted for inflation so there's a lot to get excited about when it comes to investing your first thousand dollars yeah this really reminds me of the Warren Buffett interview quote where the interviewer said Warren why don't more people copy your investment strategy

and he said because no one wants to get rich slowly I've always loved that because it's so important that everyone thinks there's this get rich quick scheme out there

“that's why they buy all these crazy courses and you mentioned four x which I'm glad that's starting to fade in the past a couple years ago was I U L's all these other things keep it basic”

stay consistent and you will win every single time and a quick reminder don't wait for the perfect moment don't wait until you have more money don't wait until you

is way higher than the cost of starting in perfectly lots of times there I like it all right Robert now before we jump to our Q and a section of this episode which by the way

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do so is there an app or specific program you use so rubber maybe start this off by explaining to everyone listening what your net worth is and why it's important to track it on a monthly or quarterly basis

yeah great question so your net worth is all of your assets minus your liabilities so whatever that net number is of everything you own what the value is including cash stocks and

everything minus your liability those mortgages the car alone your credit cards that's and everything you want to get to that net amount so you know what your net worth is so that's how you figure it out now how do you track it lots of different ways but we do have a free network tracker that'll be linked in the show notes below we love it we built it internally

and we think it's a great way to start because so many people feel tracking their net worth doesn't make sense until they believe they have wealth or they're starting to get rich

I think that's a mistake because I think tracking it earlier on really goes hand in hand with budgeting so we you know where you're at every single month and you know if you're improving or if you're going backwards because a lot of people believe because they own a lot of things

“that they have a high net worth or that they're creating value and broadening their net worth but many times they have a lot of liabilities that outweigh their actual assets so that's why we believe it is important”

to understand your net worth and know how to track it yeah Robert this is a great reminder for everyone to go back and listen to episode 151 titled our 2026 money calendar this essentially gives you a task to do every month of 2026 that will allow you to take the right steps and implement the right rich habits to build wealth over time so for example January's task was to calculate your net worth and set your budget where he's task was to do a credit check make sure nothing's in default you understand while your loans are at and then build a debt strategy if you are in high interest debt

and I guess just a quick reminder from March here for everyone trying to keep up month a month and now that we're in the month of March marches task is to audit your inferences and review your health savings account

“so little homework for you guys listening right now but no I think it's really important Robert because whenever you're told about building wealth and investing and things like that there's a lot of stuff”

that's kind of out of your control right I can't control with the stock market does no one can and I just have to trust that if I put money more and more money into it every single month like it's going to go up into the right what's cool about tracking your net worth is it helps you one understand where you're starting from but to helps you visualize the progress you have made it helps you understand even the things you can control right I can control paying off this high interest debt I can control setting money aside into the savings account two things that positively impact my net worth so personally yes

“we've got that awesome net worth tracker in the show notes below definitely go check that one out or if you want to just go to Microsoft Excel or a Google sheet”

type in assets and say car checking account savings account home insert other asset here jet ski I don't know what you guys do and then your liabilities right auto loan mortgage student loans right things that are debts assets minus liabilities that's your net worth and you want to see it trending higher

that shows that you are doing the right things those micro habits that you're implementing on a daily and weekly basis are actually starting to stack up and positively impact your wealth

so our next question comes from cat on instagram cat says hey guys I'm loving the podcast and I send it to all of my business friends thanks cat that's awesome to hear cat says here is my question what should I do with 500 thousand dollars in cash from the sale of my business can you offer some advice for the huge tax hit I'm about to experience from long-term capital gains being coupled with living in California so just to put that perspective Robert and I did a little bit of research as to what she's talking about she's going to be looking at a 30 to 37% tax rates on this half a million dollars because she lives in California between the 3.8% net investment income tax and the 13.5% state taxes so just so everyone knows who's talking about 30 to 37% here

so cat says listen I'm 43 I'm single I've got no kids my net worth is currently 660,000 not including the money from selling my business

I own two homes one is paid for in full into loom and the other one in California is paid down with only 140,000 left I contribute to my traditional IRA every year and I've been buying individual stocks for the last 12 years and I've gained some confidence in this strategy

“I want to be very smart with this love of cash I deeply appreciate hearing your advice if possible thank you so much for your time and attention Robert I think I think what has to happen here is cat needs to throw us an invite to the to loom house”

yeah that would be fun huh yeah that's where my head goes but let's go into a few options here cat because you have a lot of choices my first where my brain goes right away is look at opportunity zones I've done it many times in the past and what you can do there is if you invest in a building for an investment that's considered in an opportunity zone a qualified opportunity zone you can defer sometimes all of it but a portion of your taxes as long as you invest in that opportunity zone for a few years now one of the catches here you'd have to make that investment in the next 180 days after receiving the money and closing on the sale of your business but this is a great tool if you're looking to defer capital gains taxes on a large lump

of money that you'd receive I've done it in Toledo, Ohio it works really well and on top of that when you're investing in these opportunity zones a lot of times you can get additional funds from the local government because they're offering all of these tax rebates and other incentives to get people to invest there so I would start with looking at opportunity zones so I've got two quick ones here for you Robert you just laid out a great option you already mentioned you're maxing out the traditional IRA

maybe you could also do in HSA or any other tax advantage anything right I don't think you have access to a set IRA or a solo 401k anymore because you don't have this business but maybe you still do have an LLC that makes money like I don't know but look into that

“make sure you're maximizing those pre-tax contributions and something else you should do and this is an AND on an OR because you just should be doing this in general but if you have any philanthropic goals you can set up a donor advised fund”

make a contribution to that donor advised fund in the same tax year as you're receiving this half a million dollars to offset some of the gain now you don't have to actually give this money to a specific 501c3

in the same tax year that you receive this you can divvy it out over however many years you want but that one contribution to the donor advised fund is written off your taxes like in that same year

so if you do that correctly that could definitely help and this is you know assuming you are doing some philanthropic stuff already but I think the biggest is valuable advice we can give you go talk to a CPA go talk to a fiduciary go talk to someone who is going to sit down with you

“beyond an Instagram DM and look at your entire financial picture and can tell you exactly what you need to be doing”

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don't you love a good disclosure so our final question comes from Shane H on Instagram Shane says hi I love your podcast it has really helped me look at personal finance through a whole new lens and I've definitely leveled up since listening I'm reaching out to submit a question I have a full-time job my salary is $130,000 and I receive commission I'm in my early 30s living in New York City. I'm a partner at an agency that was just started by a mentor of mine and I have a massive commission payment coming from a partnership deal that we closed to the tune of $60,000

There will likely be additional smaller sized deals that close this year too

“I'd like to know the best way to make the most of this money and minimize taxes but also not lock it up in a Roth IRA”

I don't have any debt or business expenses I need to allocate this to I do have an LLC if that makes a difference and eventually I would love to buy property. Thank you so much Good question good question Robert what advice do you have for Shane here who shout out the Shane $60,000 in a commission check for kind of coming together with a big deal That's awesome congratulations Shane

Yeah, I mean you know the rule we talk about all the time get that money out of your hands I don't see a traditional brokerage here you mention you don't want to lock it all up in a Roth But I do think you should still max out the Roth at $7500 for this year But I would get that traditional brokerage account up and running Get some of the same funds we talk about to get that base built

Because we want to make sure that first $100,000 is invested in out of your hands

You're not buying any crazy stocks or cryptocurrencies or all that But that's where I would start I would get the Roth maxed out for this year 206 I would get the traditional brokerage set up probably put the additional amount minus maybe 10% that you can go have fun with

“And that's what I would do to start rocking and rolling as far as having the LLC does that make a difference”

It could make a difference depending if you're a W2 in this company and you're getting commission or you're a 1099 person And not an employee of the company you could then migrate your earnings into an LLC Which would give you some advantages of right-offs against your income If you're working out of your apartment or you have to drive to work or you have equipment that you have to purchase for work All of those things could come into play to save you some additional money

But it all depends on how you're earning this money as it is now I like that breakdown the only additional thing I'll add is to our friend Shane here You mentioned your early 30s if someone just gave me $60,000 Or I just earned the $60,000 commission of course Make sure you set aside money for taxes because that's going to be a thing

So after the taxes so let's assume $45,000 is left

“I would start pre-paying by using a sinking fund for future expenses that I know are going to come”

Right you're in your early 30s maybe you got a close group of guys And someone's going to get married this year and you know that a batch of their parties coming up I would stuff away $1,000 or $1,500 into a sinking fund via a high yield savings account And have that be set there so you don't have to get surprised by it Or swipe a credit card or do anything like that

Maybe you've been just buying a brand new some sort of device or machine or clothing Or something that's going to really positively impact your day-to-day Like a really meaningful purchase maybe now that's the time to invest in yourself with that purchase Maybe there is a vacation that you know you do every year And it kind of throws you off balance when it happens because you put on the credit card

And you paid off a little bit Now's that time to use a little bit of this money for those pre-paid expenses You know we're coming up

So that's the first place I would really want to go

Assuming you already are maxing out this Roth IRA You've got your money invested in a taxable brokerage account You know you're doing everything right you got the bridge account I want to get that first $100,000 invested If you're still kind of looking up for different places to park it

So you have access to it Pre-pay for some expenses you know that are going to come down the road I love that addition I didn't think about the sinking fund And I really like you adding that to it so shame

And anyone else out there getting those lump sums

Get it out of your hands Get the money working for you long term

“Because it's hard to get a hold of $60,000 at a time”

And we want to make sure you just don't go below it Because all of a sudden you have all this new abundance We want you to be abundant later on in life So you can live a wonderful retirement Everybody, thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode

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