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January 6th Hero Harry Dunn is Running for Congress!

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Before January 6th, Harry thought his entire adult life would go down a fairly regular route, spent as public servant in the role of a police officer, and one day retiring. But everything changed that...

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- Welcome to the Siren podcast.

I am very excited because I'm joined by my friend Harry Dunn,

and Harry Dunn has some incredible news.

You are running for Congress, sir. - Yeah, it's really incredible.

- Is that like incredible news or is it like crazy news?

- Yes. - It's like... - Yes, that's right. - That is both incredible and crazy. And you're launch video, which I'm gonna see if Sam can or anybody can edit it

so that we play it on this podcast. Your launch video is fire. - Thank you. - Absolute fire. So congratulations, and let's just jump in. Why are you running?

- You know, kind of like literally just to finish the fight that was started. You know, I thought I was gonna be my whole adult life being a public servant as a police officer. You know, do my time until I got tired of standing around

and working, and then be like, you know what,

I'm gonna retire. And then there's live-out retirement with my family and my daughter. But obviously the universe had other plans. And on, you know, January 6th, you know,

obviously, that's where everybody knows me from, unfortunately, it showed me a new path or new mission that was for me.

And it's been fighting for accountability

against what happened that day. And it's evolved from just what happened that day to what's happening now across the whole country from defending the people of America, our most vulnerable populations, immigrants,

black and brown people, women, children. They are targeting people. Our LGBTQ+ community. But just people that just need help. This authoritarian regime is just hammering people.

And this isn't politics as usual. I mean, you know, we're not talking about sensible gun control, we're not talking about codifying Roe v. Wade. We're literally talking about this administration wiping his ass with the constitution,

with the rights and just saying, I can do what I want because I'm a wannabe dictator. And this isn't politics as usual. We need fighters in Congress. And all across all spectrums of elected officials

that are willing to stand up and say, all right, nope, not on our watch. I have authority. I have congressional oversight authority that was given to me and by the constitution

that I'm going to exercise my rights. That so many people in Congress right now are not doing. They're just rolling over and just submitting to Donald Trump's will.

Yeah, it's, well, first of all, thank you.

That's true. I must have known a lot, right? Yeah, it was good, no, no, it's true. And the thing is, Harry, the thing that is so true about you is that you are a fighter, right?

And a kind benevolent fighter, you know, a fighter for good. And right now, based on so many of the elections that we've seen in the results that we've seen, including right here in my backyard, New Jersey 11, you know, a bit of a shake up here.

And in New York City, elsewhere. The day that announced the winner is still too long. I don't think that they've called it officially yet. 100 votes or so, so very, very close. Extremely close.

And I've been very public about my support on Malanowski. I will support the Democrat no matter who it is in the general election. But it was interesting because of the takeaways where that, what the American people,

with the voters in New Jersey, by the way, 10,000 more people showed up for that special election primary than voted in the presidential election in 2024. That tells you something, right? In a special election, Democratic primary,

10,000 more people voted in the general election in 2020 for the president in 2020. That hurts my heart a little bit because it, you know, going back just to the whole, not going back to that. But, you know, if just people would have just showed up,

you know, people thought the better option between Harris and Trump was sitting at home. Yeah. And that hurts my heart, you know. And it hurts mine too.

But I will say, like with parenting, right? Sometimes with your kid, you could tell them a hundred times what they shouldn't do. So they do the things, they're fingering a, you know, they're stuck a key in a socket, stick their hand in a flame,

you know, run around with their hands in their pockets and fall in their faces. They have to do the things sometimes. If you're going to make them understand.

And I think what we see now, Texas 9, New York City, Miami here

in 11, elsewhere, is that people are like, whoa, shit. We shouldn't have stayed home. But more than that, they're looking for fighters. They're looking for somebody who isn't this data's quote. They're looking to shake things up with somebody

who does seem a little bit to be coming in from the outside with fresh perspectives. And that's you. What you're absolutely, but the thing is, I believe, like when you talk about these primaries, right?

There isn't really the most primaries. I was 90, 95% of them aren't issues elections.

We're not electing the candidate that has a better view

on healthcare or we all agree on, you know,

we need affordability.

It's about who is going to best convey that message

and represent the people of said district the best. And as we're seeing now with so much, you know, it's a lot of corruption. When I only see corruption, but it's a bunch of greed by a lot of officials, public officials, elected officials

that only want their self-interest. And I'll mean greed just like money or whatever, just greed for power and greed for that authority. So they're not representing their constituents, best interest.

You know, like we've seen town halls from across the whole country where you have members of Congress, doing town halls and walking out in the middle of it when their constituents are saying, hey, listen to us, this is what we want.

And they're walking out of them and forgot the guy's name, but he wrapped up his town hall by saying and one more thing, ICE, ICE, baby. And then like the crowd just was so pissed off about it. It's like, I don't know, we need people

that are going to listen, not only just listen,

but work their ass off to make sure the voices of their constituents are heard in the halls of Congress. And there's something, there's something calmer. There's something like, I don't know what it is, a cathartic about a law enforcement officer.

Who stood up against an attack on our capital, instead of delvard democracy and democracy. So standing up and doing a right thing for democracy. Right now, like that juxtaposition, right? Because we are seeing law enforcement in theory,

being used against the American people, being used as a weapon, a tool to put down peaceful protest to undermine democracy, to threaten our freedoms. And so there is something symbolic, right?

About the fact that you were a law enforcement officer who stood in the breach on September, January 6th, and defended democracy right now given how the very shaky our relationship is with law enforcement in this country as it is being used by Donald Trump.

- Rightfully so, I mean, listen, I will always support

law enforcement, I will support the police, but the problem when you talk about the trust and the fractured relationship, the broken relationship between the communities and law enforcement, you're 100% right.

And rightfully so, that what's happening now, what's been happening over the last couple of years, people should look at law enforcement be like, wait, can we even trust you? And you know what? Cures, or what will start to cure

is accountability. When you see law enforcement just be able to hide behind what people say, their badge and qualified immunity in this and that, there's gonna be no trust because their people are gonna take it

as law enforcement can do whatever they want, which by the way is a quote from the president of the United States where he told law enforcement do whatever the hell you want. So as we saw, obviously way before that, you know,

George Floyd and so many other incidents that started the Black Lives Matter movement and you know, the killing of Renee Good and Alex Pretty, people got to see that and then see nothing happened as a penalty of it, zero.

So it's like, how can you trust law enforcement?

Because we always say nobody's above the law, right?

So we're not showing that law enforcement can and will be held accountable. So the average citizen, well, not even everybody. - Yeah. - All right.

- Wow, there is no, so going in there, the number one thing is addressing the need for accountability for law enforcement. Period, period. You know, but there are so many good law enforcement officers

out there that do their job, great. They do it for service, they serve their community, they do their eight hours and they go home to their families and they do it day in and day out and they're just proud public servants.

But then there's that one or two bad apples that spoiled the whole batch. And you know, yes, one bad apple can make everybody look bad

and that's what we're seeing now and how we fix that.

You have to hold the bad ones accountable. And I wish that more officers would speak out when they see something bad instead of just, you know, head down and just not addressing it at all. - Yeah, it's like, I can imagine the culture of anywhere.

Anywhere you work, right, that when something becomes the way people do something and like whether it's stealing, you know, or lying or showing a plate or, you know, whatever it is, once it becomes kind of the culture,

Then everybody's sort of doing the same things

in its just human nature. So to tell anyone for some agency that there's no accountability and that they have immunity and that they can do whatever they want, they can literally murder you in the street

and get away with it and then walk away a million air.

It has a way of like becoming metastasized into the, you know, ethos of that group. And I'm not saying that that is true of all law enforcement agencies or agents and/or all ICE agents to be honest. Again, what we have seen is that this is no longer the outlier.

This is not the exception, right? But every step they move away from what they're supposed to be doing and it becomes normalizes another step closer to them knowing that they can just do whatever they want to, to lawlessness and we can't get there, Joe.

We can't, yeah. No, exactly. And we're already there, I guess, we can't, we can't, like you just said, except that as normal. This is not okay.

This is not just like, why are we, like, obviously, I don't want to speak with emotion,

but I always try to speak with facts and everything like that, too.

So we need to continue to pressure, we're not even pressured to have the communities and the law makers in Minnesota to hold accountable. You know, I basically are getting stone walls and I'm, you know, I'm not familiar at this moment

with the court proceedings and the rulings that they have on going, trying to get the evidence for the murders of the two individuals, Renee, Good, and Alex, Freddie. But that's the type of stuff we got to hold them accountable.

By every tool exhaust every option available,

you have to exhaust every single one, you know?

And take them to court every single day, appeal. Do this, do that, do whatever we got to do, because like I said, how do we stop Donald Trump? We rain them in November, when we win the midterms, obviously. And then we have to have members in Congress

that are actually going to do the work by raining him in and not just, you know, just saying, hey, I'm here now, let's, let's, you know, let's try to work. You can't work with Donald Trump. Where, where, where is the reaching across the aisle

with Donald Trump? It doesn't exist. It hasn't existed since he's been president. And not even just this term in the term before. It hasn't been good deals and work.

No, it doesn't work. It's his way or the highway. Yeah. And, and this, this thing broke today. It happened overnight where he Donald Trump

he, uh, posted to have a good show, like this is another thing.

Speaking of, it's the same idea with the rot, right?

Like the culture. Because we've known that Donald Trump is a racist since day one. Okay. If you listen to no castler and others, that this is not a secret. And it's certainly he hasn't made it a secret.

This is a person who called into question the birthplace

of our first black president.

He, he, he, he made that one of his signature things. He was still talking about it when he was running. He still talks about it to this day. He, he put a full page ad in, in the New York newspaper calling for the execution of the now fully exonerated central park five.

He said, that's my black over there. He called them black jobs. He said he was going to send people back to their shit. Whole countries in Africa. He said he was going to deport AOC and Presley in Elon Omar,

uh, American citizens because they are women of color. This is a person who has not ever, ever been shy about being a racist. We know who he is when someone shows you who they are. Believe them the first time in overnight on his true social. He posted a video of himself as the king of the jungle in which there are all

these, I guess, animals while they animals have people's faces on them and the obamas. Michelle and Barack Obama are apes. They are gorillas in this. Let's talk about the show. Yeah.

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Is anybody surprised that I didn't see it and be like, "Oh my gosh, I am a hard.

I didn't get it."

A lot of people did, that's fine, but how are you surprised?

I mean, like you just said, it was my shows you are. But they are, believe them, it's told us for our, but this is who he is. And all those examples of things that you listed, you know, I'm not surprised at all. But what also that it does is his echo chamber, people laughing at it, they repost it and retweet it and share it and then leave their comment, their racist comments.

So one of us, in fact, is it in bold and more people to outwardly show their racist behaviors and their acceptance of racist behaviors. I mean, we've seen it all a lot of people there, y'all are so on social media, you saw people defend in it, you saw laughing at the screen shot of it, there were hundreds of hundreds of thousands of comments and like, yeah, exactly.

So what that, like to say, I'm not surprised by Donald Trump, I mean, you know, I don't expect an ounce of decency from him. I'm more shocked if he does something nice, more so than something rakeless. So that's just who Donald Trump is, like I said, but what it does is it embootens people to outwardly show those beliefs even more.

Just if one of us or somebody that works in, you know, and for Walmart or whatever job or Walmart, and they posted something on that, they might lose their job. We do not condone this behavior, but the president of the United States just openly does it. Right.

That's how we got January 6th, like people at the Capitol were attacking police officers

and beating their way because they felt him bowed into do so. They felt entitled to do it. Why? Because Donald Trump told him to. Yep.

So I mean, like I said, I don't expect anything from him. I'm more shocked if he does a decent act, like I said, I'm more worried about what it causes from the people who look up to him and see him. Now there are people that's going to be like, all right, now there's nothing but monkeys to me.

So, you know, it's it's it's it's just hardening obviously because, you know, black people have been dealing with racism since the beginning of time. So it's it's one of the most kind of things when you just say, I'm used to it. Nobody should ever be used to that nobody should ever be subjected to that, but that's when you have lead in this country is kind of like, um, here it is.

I'm not surprised. Well, and it's interesting because in the Republican Party, just like we were talking about with, you know, were things to come in to emphasize that they have become so accustomed to it. We're off.

And when asked about this stuff, they either say they didn't see it or Donald Trump says a lot of things. I was Tim Scott surprised at this. That was I was going to ask. Sorry, my bad, like, I mean, it's still your thunder, you know, oh my gosh, I'm praying

that this is fake. Yes. That was right. Right. That was Tim Scott's response, oh my gosh, I'm praying that this is fake.

This is the most racist thing I've seen. Is it though, right, like, like, I had the digger that I, I'm glad that that was my thoughts. I was like, is it? Sure.

Donald has done something to one of that and that, so, you know, the fact that we're questioning, like, is this the most racist thing? The fact that we even have the question, it just shows that, like, yeah, this dude's terrible. But if this, but like, if this is the, the most racist thing that Tim Scott has ever seen

him do, where the hell has he been because, first of all, I don't believe that.

I think he's choosing to see him to see, I also think that there may be because he's

a lame duck because he's extremely unpopular across the board because he's lost so many of his own supporters because he's, he's in the, Epstein files more than almost Epstein. That, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I can't say credit for us also where it said Trump is named in the Epstein files more than Jesus is named in the Bible.

Yeah. So, so, yes Brooklyn dad defined told me this last night, I haven't seen lots of memes about it. Yeah. mentioned more in the Epstein files than Voldemort in Harry Potter more than Soron in the Lord

of the Rings. The Lord of the Rings books are like literal, like, like, he's, he's, he's, he's mentioned more than the Epstein files than Darth Vader is mentioned in all of the Star Wars movies combined. Yeah.

He's, he's almost like, like, wounded, right? And so they're okay. Well, it's, it's safe for us in this moment to say, that's unacceptable. Yeah. This, this looks racist.

You should take it down and apologize.

Like asking the leopard to change its spots first of all, but let's not play dumb

Here, Tim Scott.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like you helped him, you emboldened him, you polished that knob, you made this shit normal.

Yeah.

He was, when we were, when we were litigating a 20, 24 presidential election largely due

to race, you know, a lot of people either sat it out or voted for him because they couldn't vote for a black woman and Tim Scott was fine with all that. He was on the campaign trail with them every step of the way. And now they think we're stupid enough, stupid enough to believe that it was a staffer who erroneously posted it in the middle of the night to his account and they didn't

realize it. When Scott is the guy, when people use the phrase, I have a black friend, Tim Scott is the black friend that they're talking about. So like it's like, oh my gosh, I have a black friend. I'm not racist.

Tim Scott is the black friend that they are talking about and it's, it's just unbelievable. Because you know, people say, they say that, I have a black friend, I can't even make this. Yeah. Your black friend is Tim Scott.

I give me a break, man, and like, yeah, like you said, they're not at all, yeah,

a staffer erroneously. No, no, no, they didn't, they didn't because in the press, Karen 11, the, uh, was defending it as, um, the Lion King, I see, even the Lion King. Yes. And also, I don't remember many monkeys in the Lion King.

There are none. He was a bad boy. He was a bad boy. He was a bad boy. That's what was said.

Yeah. Yeah. These are, these are, these are, like, silver back, apes. No, I know. But I'm just saying, for them to be lying, just, okay, well, now, okay, now it wasn't,

he wasn't that it was actually, okay, sorry, the staffer messed up. Yeah. I'm just waiting for him to say that it was a staffer who's a staffer in our, they hired. Okay. Who's a staffer?

And why, why is a staffer not fired? And why does some staffer, A, have access to your, and B, why does some staffer think

that you would like for that staffer to post a video of the Obama's as apes?

They think we're stupid, you know? Yeah. So it's like, oh, no, that, that, that brazenly blatantly, on a bash of the racist thing that we did, wasn't really us being racist. It was just being us, us being super incompetent, like, they would rather own that.

But it's people's ship. The thing is, again, throughout, it's lies, okay, so they've now put the lie into the universe, a lie that we all know is bullshit because we've already had Carolyn Levitt defend it. And it sat there for 12 hours, if it was an erroneous mistake by a staffer, and they

knew that it was, after was identified, after she defended it, what was it still doing there? But the big point is, they lie like they breathe, and they, that's right, the hell out tune. Yes.

And they expect, well, they should expect, because their cult is going to accept it. They expect that we'll all just take it and roll and move on, right? That's just like everything else, just like the Epstein files, just like how he keeps say we need to turn the page. Well, brother, you're on the next page, too.

I wanted to make it, turn the page, we're on the next one, yep, that is, I like that. So true. Yeah. Let's look tired in this back, as we kind of closed this up. Yeah, yeah.

One of the things that you say in your, in your launch video is tell Donald Trump, I'm coming back to the Capitol. And man, if that is not the arc of justice, all need, right now, we need that kind of closure, we need that kind of, like I said, justice.

And this is the first time you'll be running since the Partons.

We've had several reoffenders, one that just happened yesterday, one of J6ers got arrested again. But let's talk about this, tell Donald Trump, I'm coming back to the Capitol. So, you know, Joe, like, there's so much more that people are suffering now, like my suffer. You know, obviously, along with everything else, with the affordability was January 6, right?

And that's what's turned me on this mission, but just seeing people suffer, doge,

the firing of doge, the firing of people by doge, some of the largest people affected by that are in Maryland's fifth congressional district, thousands and thousands of people that I know personally, family members, friends that have been affected by these illegal firing. You know, shout out to Jamie Raskin for a suing, doge, and getting some people reinstated

or temporary restraining orders, against that, we need more of that. We need more of that. We need to bring Elon Musk before a committee. We need to have him testify. We need to understand how these 18 and 19 year olds were just given the broad authority to just

go in there and do whatever they want in fire 20, 30 year long civil servants. That's not happening. So, not only am I coming back to the Capitol, I'm coming back with a vote with oversight authority, with subpoena power, the, like I said, the full weight of the constitution authority given to a member of Congress, guaranteed by the constitution, I'm coming back armed with

all of that this time and a fighter's mentality and a servant's heart.

I just want to do, like a lot of people, like I said, go to Congress for thei...

Listen, I know where my morals are, I know where I stand, but my job is to be a voice

for the people and that's what I want to continue to do to stand up to them to this administration

on their behalf. I want to stand in the gap and say you want to get to them, you got, you got to go through

me first and that's what it's all about.

I love all of that and, and, and I mean, probably willing we have free and fair elections in November. Yeah, you see, they're already trying to take them. And that's the thing, that's the part. And also my bad, and also like real quick affordability, health care costs, like all

that all roads lead back to Donald Trump, because while every, you know, inflation and all these, these, these tariffs and everything, Donald Trump is tariffing our way into unafortability, uh, health care, the, the first government shutdown, people's help, my health, my health care premiums went up, I benefited from, uh, the subsidies and all this stuff, it was, it's necessary, uh, but so many people are suffering.

And you know, who's not suffering, the people, uh, the billionaire bros, uh, all because of the big ugly bill that Donald Trump made sure he looked up for his billionaire buddies, um, you know, I will give him credit.

He did do the no tax on tips, great job there, everybody else in the middle class is struggling.

Yeah, well, as a server, I, I didn't get taxed on my team. I was just about to say, like, that's, I, I said, it's our Catholicly, I was like, yeah, yeah, you know, we didn't get paid minimum wage, that was our, the version, if you had to declare like a certain like $2 an hour to make up for that, and we didn't, we

never got taxed on our tips, that's the way most people, so it's a kind of all

so bullshit. Yeah, that's all, it's our Catholicee, thanks for that, you know, and I was just talking to Governor Shapiro, the other day, and he was talking about impensal, anything. Great job on that interview by the way, it's at the devil check that interview out. There are things, they, unfortunately, we accidentally cut out some, he was shit talking

my giants and, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I clap back a little bit, he's an eagle fan, and I do not like the Eagles, um, they're for their care was a lot of eagle fans out. Oh, I know. I'm a commander.

I'm a commander. I'm a very good friend, George Conway is an Eagles fan, Jill, the Biden's are Eagles fans, and I love the Biden's, but I do know, but, but he was talking real quick, he was talking about a healthcare because he's ACA subsidies, this should's real. Yeah.

Yeah. And the 500,000 people in Pennsylvania who were using the ACA subsidies in the month of January, just January, 85,000 of those people just stopped getting health insurance. They've been terminated their, their policies, 85,000 people, but it's not, it's not because they couldn't afford it.

Right. Right. Because they couldn't afford it. And that we have so that billionaires can get another yacht, another bidet, um, it's bullshit. And so again, this is why we need fighters like you.

We need people who live real existences and don't live in some insulin bubble, um, and walk the walk and talk the talk and that is you Harry done.

So, um, where can people go to help you to follow what you're doing?

Yeah. On here, et cetera. Yes. So, the campaign website, Harry Dunn4MD, um, dot com, and it could be, it could be the number four, it could be spelling it out, we, we, we make sure that you're able to find us

either way. Harry Dunn4MD dot com, appreciate all the love, all the support, um, it, like I said, this ain't about me. This is about standing up for people and just following my moral compass because this is wrong.

And, you know, what, I, I saw an opportunity where there was an open seat. Um, all right. Let's get to work. You know, yes, I lost my first election, but losing did not determine any from wanting to make a difference in fight.

And, and if that's, if you lose and you're deterred from doing it again, just because you lost, that means I don't believe that you, your heart was in it or you were in it for the right reasons, anyway.

So, regardless of how this turns out, I'm always going to show up on the front lines

being there for people because this shit is not normal and this is not okay. And, we cannot let it be normalized and that it will let it be accepted as okay. Thank you so much, Harry Dunn. Um, grateful to you as always and good luck and whatever you need, you know I'm here. Thanks for having my friend.

We'll talk soon. All right. We'll talk soon.

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