SC EP:1235 Strange Kansas

it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight

up and that that shocked me. They don't make people that big.

“The way it moved, almost as it was gliding across the beach, I've never seen anything”

moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chantering away back and forth, back and forth and forth.

I know what a bad look like and there is no way on this planet, the water I saw best.

This is Robo Bobo from Bigfoot and Beyond and you are listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. I know what you are. Welcome to the show.

“Tonight we will be speaking with our K who is from Kansas and growing up he had a few”

run ends with these creatures and we are going back to the 80s. He didn't really know what they were or what he had actually seen at the time but he had a very recent encounter when he was out fishing and found himself about 70 feet away from one of these creatures. He describes a very strange interaction he had and then we will wrap up with will who is

also from Kansas and he witnessed this creature crossing directly in front of his vehicle just before that sighting he recalls seeing something strange in the sky and all that will go into it.

“If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, tune me an email.”

My email address is west@sasquatch Chronicles.com and if you get a chance check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight, I want to welcome our K to the show or K thanks for coming on. Glad to be here. Yeah, I'm glad to have you or K and normally ask people you know what did you think

about Bigfoot prior to the sighting but you had a lot of weird things happen when you were

growing up and I never going back to the 80s and this takes place in Kansas before we get

to the main incident, tell me about some of these other weird things that happened to you. My first encounter was back in around 77 but it was having my dad's farm with my brother deer hunting and I saw someone about 300 yards away, he caused a man in a gillysuit. I looked at him through my scope and you know I had no intention to pull the trigger because you know I thought it was a man in a gillysuit but didn't I got to look at him through

this scope and I'm like, that's too large to be a man, what that is, I was young and I was 17 so I had heard that much about Bigfoot or anything at that time and when my brother went over there he found the footprints in the dust and he said that they was about 16 to 18 inches long because we didn't have a tape measure but we measured the tree you were standing by and he had to be at least 10 foot tall and we said that was no man in a gillysuit

and that was a real brief encounter and probably lasted maybe 20 seconds, 30 seconds but we heard some strange noises in the timber that day and what I know now is probably what as sassquats calls you know a lot like what I know you know Bobo is, Bobo Faye from finding Bigfoot, a lot like what he does on there and a couple of them was like what Cliff does,

that I know the one that Cliff does, the noises that you heard were they after he saw this thing?

Yeah, after we saw it, yeah and I know this thing is like several hundred yards away and you're trying to look at it through a scope and what was that conversation like with your brother and then what was the conversation like afterwards when you guys walked over there and you're finding these tracks? Well he was at another hunting blind that I might saw this and when he came over to join me for lunch he was telling me about the sounds that he'd been

hearing over his blind and I tell him what I saw and I was like back then people didn't talk about it

because you see there's seen things or on some kind of drugs or something and you didn't talk

much about it except what I told him what I saw and he went over to check it out.

“Do you think that the creature was aware that you were there?”

Looking back at it I don't think he did but you know these things are more aware than what we are they're more aware they're surroundings I'm quite sure. Yeah could be tell me leading up to this main encounter had anything else happened to you when you've been out there? Well I had two others before I had this one because I had one I was out in western Kansas up around northern that's the northwest corner of the state of Kansas. I was coming back from Hayes and the driver

the car and the front passenger was pointing to something on the driver's side of the road and they pulled over to look at it so I turned naturally to look see what they was looking at and I seen this creature dragging a jersey cow by a tying leg and he stepped behind a one of those big round hay bales but you can still see him over the top of the hay bales. They'd stopped and pulled alongside the road and was sitting there pointing at it and after it kind of disappeared into

the timber the driver turned around and looked at me and says you didn't see that did you like we're not going to tell anybody if you don't tell anybody type thing. I said I didn't see anything if

you didn't see anything he said that's a good answer. The second encounter is I was down at Pomona

Lake and it was like one o'clock in the morning without their fish and I felt like something was near you know I just had that feeling because I'm a hunter and you know I found the outdoors a lot I just had this feeling that something wasn't quite calm and I stood up to look around and there's a street light about so 150 yards away so I had a little back illumination and I've seen this big shadow move about 20 feet from me and just basically walk across my field of view

and he didn't stop he did look around he was like he was on a mission or something and I know these are very brief encounters even the one that you saw that you thought was a huge guy in a gilly suit. You know at the time I know it's back in the 70s and 80s but

“what did you think you were looking at what did you think that they were?”

Well back in the 70s and 80s I you know I wasn't sure I mean like said back then you didn't hear too much about big footer Sasquatch because people didn't want to talk about it because you know people thought you was crazy if you'd seen something but the last the last three altered place here in the state of Kansas in the in the 2000s what the one now in northern was in 22 and then I had one on October the 14th of 26 or 25 excuse me that was the one out of Pomona

and I had the big one that everybody's talking about out of Clint Lake in September the 13th of 25 yeah and I know the most recent one similar one did a drawing of what you saw and I'll post it underneath this episode but if you would take me back to 2025 what were you doing and what happened what did you end up seeing? Well it started out that we meet in my fishing partner was dropped off because his his girlfriend had to go to work in Lawrence and so he was after

with the 2 pit bulls and we was out fishing on that Bloomington East Curse he docked there at

“Flint Lake right after sundown which was like 7.30 I think it was I usually give Sasquatch calls just”

to see if we can get any kind of response you know sometimes I get a Sasquatch sometimes I get coyotes

a very faint response so I gave another call and got a response to that and then went silent

“I mean everything went silent you can hear the geese or anything and about 20 minutes later”

it was a couple of rocks splashed down beside the dock beside us and they were pretty good size splashes so pretty good size rocks I'm estimating so we turned them to the parking lot to see what or who might have threw the rocks because we thought maybe someone was up there screwing with this and we seen the eye shine and my fishing partner said I must say here at the doves because I told him I was going to go up and check it out and I had my machete with me just in case

it was something that you know I might need to defend myself from and when I got up to the parking

a lot of these eyes I shine kept back and up a ways and we finally got to a point where it was about

70 feet apart and he stopped and I stopped and we set their next change grunts for about

“I'm guessing 20 to 30 minutes the whole thing took place over about a 40 minute period of time”

but some of these grunts were real quick grunts like some of them were real long like but none of them felt threatening or dangerous and I put my machete away and he lowered his shoulders and we just kind of set their running back and forth at each other for about 20 minutes 20 maybe 30 minutes you know I wasn't watching my watch and yeah what stuff like that goes on

sometimes it just seemed like it's taking longer it is I got to bite on one of my fishing poles

and the bell rang so I turned to let's see what my fishing pole was doing and when I turned back around he started walking away and as he walked away he was let that a real soft whistling sound so arcade do you when you walk up do you see the creature and then he started grunting

“or it starts grunting and you're mimicking it yeah after we got within like we started grunting”

probably before I was at 70 feet but right around the 70 foot mark I came to a stop and he stopped and you know if I moved to my right he moved to his left to mimic my moves and if I step forward he'd step backwards and if I step backwards he'd step forward you know just totally mimicking my moves and then like said we grunt it each other mimicking each other's grunts I have definitely close enough to tell that this wasn't a man and a costum or no bear or anything

like that there's no bears in this part of canvas and I'll post the the artwork or the drawing that similar or when dead of what you saw that day I and it'll be underneath this episode but for the audience would you describe what you were seeing well this guy was we measured him out because he was standing right beside a tree we was able to measure him to a branch we measured him out at eight foot three inches tall and we estimate between 111, 1200 pounds he had a his fur was

like two to four inches long different lengths and different places but it was kind of like the color of a timber wolf you know the salt paper the grays and browns and different shades but as like a timber wolf's coat and if anybody knows what a timber wolf looks like they'd have an idea what I'm talking about if it wasn't black or anything like that real broad shoulders we guess to make four to five foot shoulders arms down almost to his knees he kind of stood in a

not a crouch but a little slouch you know kind of like you know the grouse over walk is or a grouse or stance like the police use that's kind of how you were standing like he was ready to respond if something went down but definitely seen muscular and his chest muscles there were things they were warm enough I could you know it was like 55 60 degrees after that day so he was couldn't see his breath but you can see his chest rising and falling as he breathed and

lift moving and got a real good looking like I got to describe it to a lot of other people the artist's rendition she found it got a right when I told her that his nose looked like more like Morgan Freeman's those than an age those like everybody thinks they do he was a lot more human looking than I thought he was he looked more like a caveman than an eighth definitely larger than human but like said a lot of proportions were similar to humans he had the the big

like said most of his features was like a human he had no facial hair his skin tone was like someone

had a real good tan with maybe a little bit ash color to it eyebrows deep set eyes and no reason his eyes glowed was that was I'm pretty sure it was just because of my head lamp that I had on did you notice at any point during this encounter did his expressions change at all I didn't notice him that much I was more concerned about what he was doing like he got kind of keeping an eye on his arms and his legs because I knew as as close as we were if he decided to do

some it wasn't much I was going to be able to do about it anyway but I wanted to be at least be able

to react people say that well he was either really brave to go up there or crazy and I said well

“maybe I was crazy stupid brave but I was more curious that I think he was more curious about me”

yeah I know everyone reacts different I don't know that I would have reacted the way you did did it not concern you at all you know 70 feet sounds like a long distance away but you blank and the things on top of you did it concern you at all being this close and interacting no not really because I like said I didn't feel threatened but airbuses will well you didn't feel threatened up there well I've been in a lot of situations when I was in the

navy and you know I faced danger and I looked it down the gun barrel and I just didn't feel any of that

threat I was in the moment and I didn't have that flight mode well you're definitely a stronger man than I am I must be a weak man you know when I was a balancer if had guns pulled on me on two occasions and I could tell you every detail about both of those guns including the barrel and I'm sure those two men could probably do the same as they looked down my barrel and that's not

“provided that's just self preservation but you know I was scared I mean you know I think shooting”

someone would be the worst day of my life in my heart anyway especially over nothing words hot air but you know I was scared Sasquatch on the other hand terrified me and maybe I'm just a weak man but the overall size of it I mean I could have and I was armed at the time I could shot this thing empty the clip it would have smiled and just kept coming there'd been nothing I could have done to stop it having settled that though you know this grunting over the years I've heard

that and I've kind of come to the conclusion of my opinion anyway that that grunting is an acknowledgement and now some people it comes across as being aggressive I don't think that's meant to be aggressive still would have scared me and no point during this whole time did he get frustrated that you were making him? He didn't seem to be agitated to me he seemed very relaxed and like said once I put my machete away in his sheath he lowered his shoulders his facial expressions that that's the

one time I did notice him he seems to relax so I think he realized that I wasn't there to hurt him

“and I was hoping that he wasn't there to hurt me I think the worst thing anybody can do is to”

actually turn around and run from him because they're a predator that's going to trigger a attack response. I think for normal predators I would agree with you on that Sasquatch on the other hand doesn't behave like a normal predator to where they'll run into that chase response if you take off running I'm with you on it though I still wouldn't recommend anyone take off running if you're coming back oh yeah I went back here I've back here for the next three months almost every night

because she was going to Lawrence to work and I was watching the dogs and that's a great way to do it because I love to fish and it didn't bother me when I was after I'd hearing back there because when you walk by he he let out a hauler and just keep going and if I called a couple two or three fish I'd leave him alone up there by the tree where we originally had our encounter and I'd hear him in the in the brush behind there and I occasionally I'd say this is for you my friend

and then I just turn around and walk away after I laid the fish down. I get the obsession of wanting to go back did you it was a mainly vocalizations is that were you're hearing or did you ever see him again? Since that time mostly just vocal I've seen movement that I thought was him but I couldn't be a

movement that I thought might have been him you know I've heard many accounts of them grunting

there's one in particular I can think of where it was a hunter I want to say it was in virginia somewhere on the east coast and this thing was great there was two of them and the one that started grunting he shot it and even through his encounter I didn't think that it was really being aggressive with him and like I said I'm kind of convinced that it's more of an acknowledgement type vocalization that they do when they grunt what what do you make of that behavior are you going down

there and this thing starts grunting and you start mimicking it and it kind of hang is around.

Well I thought it was educational because I got to see really what he looked like and how he responded

and you know I've for a long time I've known that they're not the monsters we humans make them out to be I don't really think as humans are more monsters than the big flits are yeah I don't think that

“there's a killing machines as some people think they are but I think if you push your luck you'll”

find a killing machine pretty quick I ask everyone on the show what do you think Sasquatch is what what's your take I mean you got a really good look at this saying an offshoot of the human chain maybe maybe across between you know something in the long evolutionary chain that between an ape and a human I mean he walks up right you got a fur coat bear by some refers to him as a hominid but I said he looked more human than ape to me but other than his size and I know that

hominids actually do cover humans so kind of way I mean you were thinking it was more human like especially in the face and everything that you saw that day it would be much easier to catch an animal than a human why do you think it's so difficult why do you think no one's cut up with them

“I think there's more than we are but if you go back in time the Native Americans a lot of”

Native Americans said they used to sit down and be outside their circle when they had powwiles and they would communicate with and they had a running dialogue with them like they would trade goods with them the Sasquatch would bring them things and you know even the I believe it was the part of what I mean tribe had here in this location at a chief of his name they call him chief bigfoot forget what his real name was but and Lakota Sue had had one they called chief bigfoot too so

you know they go back and they say the Native Americans of interactions with them for thousands of years I forget which one is I think it's the Navajo believe that he is a dimension of shifter that he's a spirit walker but I've been doing a lot of research into it over the years and I'm not sure because I have had times when I found footprints that I knew was a Sasquatch and I'd be following and try to see if I could see figure out where he's going and to be in the

snow and they'd go out onto this lake and then just disappear there'll be no forwarding tracks no backtracking if he'd backtrack he was a hell of a good backtracker and he'd stepped in the same exact spots and I've been tracking a lot of animals and I didn't see any sign of backtracking but it just seemed like he just disappeared and the bloodhounds we had looking for them they just got to that spot and circle and stopped like where he go yeah I've heard of accounts like that I've actually seen pictures

to where I had no explanation where when or like you said it looked like the the tracks just stopped and I know you've been a hunter or most of your life I wanted to ask you you know on the show we talk about balls of light sometimes they make an appearance and people's encounters sometimes they you know has nothing to do with big foot they just see these weird balls of light and of all

“these years of being out there and hunting have you ever seen anything like that in the forest?”

I've seen balls of light but I've never seen them that I know of anyway in conjunction with the

Sasquatch but I've heard people say that they have that they've seen Sasquatches with balls of light around them or they disappear into a ball of light I've also seen them I had people say that they seen them walking to outtrees and disappear tell me about the time he saw the lights well I was up in my dad's farm was one night koon hunting and you know we're just walking through

just kind of just getting drifted across in front of us and meaning the guy I was hunting with was like

“did I really see what I think I saw and he said yeah you saw what I thought I saw”

and we started describing what we saw and it's like yeah if you be in a slater it comes drifting right back by and it's like there was no wind that night that I can recall and even if it was it would have been going against the wind at one point but it was a ball of light about maybe larger to basketball little bit larger to basketball kind of a blueish white light he said he thought he saw it flickering but I didn't recall seeing it flicker but

according to the Native Americans those balls of lights are willowists or something like that

that the forest spirits yeah it seems throughout history and through different civilizations they all have kind of a theory or opinion on what they are and the Native Americans it depends on the tributar to they'll give you a different story on what it is and it makes you wonder if heard spirits too some of the Native Americans will actually call them water spirits and it's weird you know it's one of those weird things out there that no one really has an answer for

and I'll post this picture that Sibilla Irwin did of the creature that you saw underneath this

episode and I really appreciate you taking the time to come on I've enjoyed chatting with you

all right I sure enjoyed it and like said grab any other questions I've got pictures of the scene if you want me to send them to you yeah please send them over and thank you again okay next up on the show I want to welcome Will. Will thanks for being here. Thank you Wes I appreciate it yeah and you had this very strange encounter involved more than just a creature and it takes place in Kansas and it's a relatively recent encounter how many years

are we going back? I'll be um six years almost six years isn't it these September to

“you know November timeframe of that year I don't remember exactly well if you would would you”

start from the very beginning what were you doing and what happened? Yeah so I was I was a route driver for a beverage distributor in Lawrence Kansas at the time I lived about four or five miles from the University of Kansas and yeah so at that point I was driving to work which was exactly three point three miles I had to look on the GPS the other day so for three miles from the University of Kansas I was just driving into work is about two three in the morning sometimes I get nervous thinking about it

because it's just it's very surreal so I'll send him to work and I remember the road I was on was called north 1800 road in Kansas there are roads that are like no bird like north 1,800 they don't have names and a lot of the roads will not have names when you're in the countryside and I told sir not to also to pick a Kansas was to my west and I was heading eastbound into Lawrence

“and I remember that specifically because as I turned on the road there was some heat lightning”

in the sky and I saw some flashes in the sky and it was beautiful some yellow or she lightning behind me I could see it in my rear view and I'm driving to work and I'm looking over and I see this bright right neon blue flash in the sky and I knew it wasn't lightning it wasn't he lightning and it was in the clouds it was like if I could explain it in a way the the cloud was lightning I don't know how to explain it it looked like almost as if

the clouds were masking or there was a shielding device so what I was seeing was UFO in the sky and it looked like it was trying to like be like a cloud like almost like the predator movie where it's got the the film over it translucent like I can see the outline of like a I want to say mothership was a big big UFO I don't know how to scale it it was massive

and after I see that flash this this dogman runs so I'm driving on a linear road there's no

“curves enough and that's straight away and flat it's gonna be just blown around the uh”

the field was moved down from the corn and so so we ran out in front of me I can obviously believe my eyes and in one stride this this dogman from running out of the fields in one step and that was a sprinting step there's one one sprint it's right foot was on the WL line and it let it was all like one motion there's so unnatural to left from the the field to the yellow line up into a tree on the right and on the odd thing about

Kansas is a lot of times the trees are far from the road but this one's right near low stream

because there's a little lake on the other side of the field and jumping into the street right right over this uh this creek and it turned around in one motion it jumped up it spun around and looked that mean it was crouched uh it was so crazy how just jumped in this tree this tree limb was probably 20 feet in there and it must it must have been going 60-65 miles per hour it was so fast across the road so fast I imagine it was going fast for them a car is going about 55

they had a deal going faster than my vehicle and it just looked at me and it was pretty terrifying yeah it sounds like it and I want to come back to that thing you saw on the sky are to seeing this creature would you for the audience would you describe what you saw

“my the only way I can describe it is google the amorello zoo creature”

um that picture came out after my sighting um that it looks exactly like the amorello zoo if you type in the amorello zoo animal that they're trying to figure out what it was outside the amorello zoo in Texas it looks exactly like that like to the tea um skinny skinny it was not super jacked in muscular um I say maybe seven and a half eight feet tall I was driving a Chevy suburban 998 Chevy suburban at the time and I would imagine it had to be at least

a foot and a half taller than my suburban maybe two feet taller than my suburban and it had long arms arms went down about knee length and I had the almost like goat hinges

“at the feet very unnatural um and it bent backwards almost like an L at the at the ankles”

very very fine scraggly for like hair it wasn't like a fur like a hair kind of mad at looking it was gray and it had like a gray skin a grayish black skin almost like like gray paint like

milky milky kind of color to it and in mind you this is in the flash of a second but I had my

high beans on as there's there's there's there's no lights out there other than the heat lightning in the flash of you if oh that was it you know it was pitch black out there but I was able to see it all in my headlights and it you know it it it was not menacing in appearance I mean when it you know it it hopped up and spun around and looked at me from the tree limb um like obviously I was terrified but I looked it it looked right at me we locked eyes and yeah I couldn't see

an eye color anything by the time I'm just seeing it in the trees and some and it's still like barely in front of me so a little bit of its face is illuminated um but looks I'm about passing it at that point but I I couldn't see what eye color there was no eye shine you know my lights weren't directly in its face either like you know head on so I don't know if that changes anything I'm not familiar with wildlife so but yeah it just it looked at me it was looking right at me and faced you know in

my face yeah and I know all this is happening you know within seconds I'm sure it felt like years and everyone's kind of heard about big foot maybe not so much dog men maybe nowadays they have what what did you think it was? So I had actually been interested in Sasquatch and dogmen

patters in Gimlin film I seen that as a child and you know I had some other other stuff

happened to North Carolina that I had like looking back was like oh that could have been like a big foot but to keep on the dogman thing you know I was I was familiar but I wasn't not familiar with dogman at that time until you know maybe shortly before this encounter which is kind of ironic

“is I just you know kind of got more fascinated I think I discovered your podcast around the time”

more shortly after I don't remember but I was you know as a truck driver as a route driver I'm constantly driving so you know looking for new podcasts all the time so a lot of story short I'd feel the great vibe in through you know TV and other you know like shows like terror in the woods and other things I was quite familiar that they do exist. I got you so you kind of knew what it was

it's a lot different seeing it in person though I would imagine I've never seen a dogman but

I've heard enough encounters to where I'm convinced it's out there can we back up for a moment that thing you saw in the sky would you describe it? Yeah so I knew immediately there was an object in the sky it was round it was almost like an oval cut on our diamond it looks like if you chop off the top of a NFL stadium like the round like an oval shapes NFL stadium

“that's what it looks like it's more oval it was definitely not circular it was oval shape and”

I couldn't see like the depth of it and so to speak as hell you know how tall it might have been

I just thought it was quite long you know when it's that high in the sky I don't have any

shield of reference but it wasn't high enough like it wasn't it wasn't a thousand feet in the air it was it was far less than that like it looked like it was sitting beneath the clouds and trying to mask itself with the clouds yeah it was so maybe it's more in a thousand feet I don't know how high you know how high clouds I'm sorry that sounds extremely ignorant but you know if anyone's familiar with how high up you know where were cloud level starts you know I know clouds can

hike and differ when they're storms in the area but it was just he lightning there wasn't you know

“any rain or anything I don't know it was it was definitely larger than a football field”

but I wouldn't say much larger if you're gonna say like lengthwise probably it's not long as long as football field yeah you know it's interesting it reminds me of what Lustraud told me he saw when he was filming survivor man even your descriptions kind of like what he saw and the size he told me was just huge the flashes of light were they coming out of the UFO no so there's lightning behind me um which was yellowish orange and color but this lightning

was directly in front of me so there's he's lightning to my west horse to Pica as to Pica was do west to me like immediately do west and then I was heading directly eastbound and it was brought in laughter me so I don't know if I'd be like north and northeast northwest but whatever it was it was um it was definitely not lightning because I could see the outline like it wasn't just lightning I could see the the UFO light up but it was only that one bright and it wasn't persistent

flashing oh it was just that one bright flash that neon blue totally different color than the he lightning behind me yeah I would imagine someone like that would be creepy to see but then to see this creature that's very strange I wanted to ask you about the face of the creature would you describe the face I mean was it head more like a German shepherd or wolf or something like that it was very wolf like it was sharp sharp features a very sharp sharp pointed ears that had of

very pronounced snout and I kind of got this vibe from it then like if it were to attack me there would be nothing I could do at all but it definitely it definitely looked like a wolf for sure it was it you could you could kind of maybe throw German shepherd in there with some of the hair around the cheeks and so like the puff here on the outside of the face but when it came to the snout it the snout narrowed and it was a very very pronounced

probably be a little larger than German shepherd and when you saw this creature was it on

two legs old time kind of like a man running yeah on the whole time it's only time it was on how to use it's if you can call him hands was when it spun around then I can't remember which hand but it put it between legs to stabilize itself was it like hunched over and looked at me as if like to keep this table I wouldn't fall off the branch yeah the scary part is it didn't keep going it kind of stopped to look at you I think that's a part that well all of it would

“bother me but that part in particular and do you remember having a tail and I think you said it”

in the beginning and I might have missed it how tall was it I did not see a tail I would say it was probably

gosh I wish I knew how tall my suburban was I'm six to just under six three but I'll just say six to and it definitely would have had another foot and change on me so I probably say oh it was definitely I would say absolute maximum eight feet I mean I don't think it was a foot it might have been seven feet tall but then again it was moving so fast you know but it was definitely very tall there's another experience hadn't Kansas this is actually after my dogman I don't know what it was

but it across to remote road I was heading heading down to do my room um heading towards like

America's Kansas which is like middle nowhere Kansas and this is early in the morning

“something crossed the road and it reminded me almost of like a mountain line or a cougar some”

big big cap when it's it wasn't a cap but the way it moved how it was like getting ready it looked like a cacketing ready proud pounds and they get super super low to the ground but it was army crawling but it looked as if a person was army crawling on their TP toes and their tips to their fingertips it was so unnatural I don't know what it was I couldn't get that I saw it in my truck headlights my truck headlights were very dim didn't have LED headlights on the truck

probably thank God because if I saw what it actually was it probably would have freaked out I was like oh no here we go again because ever since my dogman encounter I was paranoid like I don't want to see anything ever again like that anyway I didn't and I was gonna go turn around

“and see what this was and I'm a firm believer in in Jesus I just believe the Holy Spirit was”

a little speaking to me is don't turn around don't because I want to turn around and go look at it and which is very bold of me because normally I'm not like that like I seem like so like that I don't want any part of this but something that only was kind of intrigued after my dogman encounter I could ask something subconscious was kind of wanting to know and seeing the dogman so clear but I couldn't see what this was

hardly I don't know if it was a big foot or whatever it was anyway I didn't turn around I'll be for the best yeah it doesn't sound like a dog I mean I don't know what it was but I don't know that I've ever heard a dogman doing kind of that spider crawl movement or that army crawl movement Sasquatch on the other hand there's been many reports of them doing that and I know from your email and you mentioned it earlier that you had some things happen when

you were younger and you kind of look back now and then make you wonder what were those things that that happened I realized it wasn't a sighting book or those things that and make you look back now go I don't know yeah so I lived with my grandmother in the mountains near Asheville in a small area it won't be specific isn't both county very very tiny I will have to on top of the mountains maybe two neighbors and there was this creek there

ran through our backyard I don't know if you can call it a creek is by a stream you know two three inches deep when it rained I got like six inches deep you know this just a little little body water through our backyard but every time I go to that body water I knew I I should something in and I was 10 or 11 years old at the time something in me told me do not cross that creek and I wouldn't for the longest time was live there for like two

three years one day I did and it was like a magnet like like every other time there's like a magnet

but I didn't second guess it and then one day I did at this massive just not my stomach

“had this terrible feeling of I need to turn back and need to go back and mind you this is only”

like two three hundred yards from from the house I played basketball we had this terribly hilly spot but it was all it was a flat spot and then about 15 feet from the flat spot was a hill when I played basketball there and I was about two two three hundred yards from there from that basketball hoop I had out there and I'm gonna need to go back and need to go back and I didn't I could took a couple more steps and mind you this is all going on in my head for about 30

40 seconds and then something in me was like I just I half to the soil I have to turn around I felt like something was going to happen I knew I was in danger but there's nothing going on

it was always I've normally quiet up there which I knew but like like a lot of people say thinking

back to like oh that was weird but in the moment they thought nothing of it so that was just like a feeling but at that same house about I don't know what the time frame would be from from just those constant feelings to another point where I woke up in the middle of a night this might have been a year later I don't remember but I woke up in the middle of a night and I had the little this little curtain blocking a window I'm just very tiny windows very old home and I woke up and something

was watching me but like I couldn't see what was watching me but I woke up and I like immediately looked out the window like something's watching me through my window but I couldn't see because that

“curtain was there and I was gonna get out of bed and move the curtain like that's how intense a feeling”

was I wanted to know who's watching me outside my window I couldn't muster up the courage I like just you know just started to swing my feet out of bed and I'm like I'm not doing this I'm not spawning my feet back in the bed and that was like like 10, 10, 11 years old maybe 12 at that point but that feeling was just so strong of something's watching me through my window that so that was weird yeah it's hard to say I mean it's very strange that you had

that feeling and you know usually whenever in the past one I've had that gut feeling and I'm not just talking about like with Bigfoot but when you have that gut feeling like something's very wrong here it's been right for me I would say almost every time there was something wrong strange make sure wonder what was going on there I want to go back to your encounter for a moment there you afo I'm still thinking about that do you think it was a coincidence like there was

two separate things going on there that you were experiencing or do you think the creature and the UFO were related I hundred percent believe the dogman came out of that UFO and there was no doubt in my mind and that is kind of like an annoying and if I remove all logic I feel just business like this knowing but I also if I'm going to use logic I don't it was just too coincidental you know I see this big UFO flash a massive bolt not a bolt of light

which is illuminating this you know itself in the clouds and there all of a sudden this thing is crossing the road less than 45 seconds later you know seems a little too coincidental for me yeah and I know there's no way to prove that it's not like he saw it come out of the craft

“but if I was in your shoes I honestly I probably would have felt the same way I'd felt like these”

two things or these two things are related it's strange man I've heard of accounts in the past

of creatures coming out of these UFOs and I've always just kind of brushed it off but

I don't know we live in a weird world man it seems like every day this world is getting worse and it's getting weirder you know normally ask everyone what do they think big foot is but you know in your case I mean he saw this creature was pretty close I mean it was a relatively close encounter it's right there in front of you what do you think that they are? I so I personally think they're demonic but physical and my rationalization for that is I believe they're in a

bombination of some sort where some some fallen angel or or something some kind of entity is having its way with animals you know in the woods and they're creating these abominations that's how I can only justify you know like you know people hearing about big foot appearing

justify this dogman having that supernatural speed where and it didn't even look like it was trying

“if it was running if it was going full bore I don't see why that dogman couldn't run on a”

dreamhouse power it looked effortless and graceful long story short it's not natural but it is physical it's a very very real I just I chalk it up to a satanic or demonic abomination from the it's a hell that is unfortunately it's been allowed to be loose on earth on occasion yeah I kind of agree with you I mean I I really don't know what to make of the dogman you be hard pressed to really convince the skeptic or a scientist that this dogman creatures that they're running around biologically

it makes no sense but you know I've been kind of going through the Epstein files which I don't

recommend it's hard on the soul but I mean he was in there this way of topic but he was in there

“talking about cloning himself like you and I talking about going to the store to pick up milk so”

who knows what's going on in this world man at the time of the encounter did you get the feeling like the same might be evil I you know I need to copy some copycating because there's so many other encounters you know well I've said there if there's nothing they could do if you wanted to have its way with him and kill him but that thought of me really part of my mind it was not super bulky it did not look huge you know it didn't look like it was some steroid out wolf on two legs

but I just knew if it wanted to jump down and tear my car up and and ripped me out of it I couldn't have done a thing I'm a big dude I'm 62 almost 26 260 I power lift the biggest I've

“gotten is 275 it's on the large very large man and there's not a whole there's nobody that scares”

me and I don't want to in the Oregon let's say that I'm just like I most people stay away from me and I know in that moment there's not a thing in the world I could have done I didn't get a sense of evil I didn't get a sense of I mean I guess you can say it's inherently evil if you get that feeling of there's nothing you could do for one to kill you but it wasn't menacing like a set it was just looking down at me keeping an eye on me just it almost like it wanted to not meet and now

that it's all me but it didn't it didn't go out of Twitter harming me it didn't it didn't look like I have malicious intent but if it if it suddenly turned on the time and had those emotions they could tell me absolutely yeah I understand what you're saying and I guess you kind of said that earlier so I apologize for the the question running into one of these things would absolutely terrifying me and it's such a weird mystery I tend to think that the demonic is well but it's hard

to prove that it's hard to prove any of this but people see it and see it more often than most people realize and I really wanted to hear this account so I really appreciate you coming on will and sharing what happened to you man I enjoyed chatting with you thank you for having me um this this show has helped a lot that helps me feel vindicated I had a girlfriend called me crazy I called her immediately after I saw the dog man if she's like she's like you're crazy you're running

on a lack of sleep and I felt further vindicated when the Emerllo Zoo it sure came out because

then I had I finally had something to show somebody say this is it this is what I saw so

thank you for having me thank you for your platform that is just a blessing you know thank Jesus for you and the good work you're doing allowing people to just talk about what they went through thanks for that kind of words I really appreciate it and thank you again for coming on I need to look up that Emerllo Zoo picture he's talking about I don't like to have ever heard of that anyway that's it for tonight everyone if you've had an encounter shoot me an email

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