SC EP:1236 The Black Cloaked Figures

it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that that shocked me. They don't make people that big.

“The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach.”

I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

They were screaming at each other in gibberish, it sounded like a language and they were shunturing the way back and forth, back and forth, back and forth always. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet the water I saw bears. It's a bloody out here. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to see the water drop.

Welcome to the show.

“Tonight we will be speaking with Seth, Seth had this strange experience in Virginia, back”

on October 31st, 2001, all on a hike he ran into these cloaked figures in the forest.

Seth told me I assume they were saying worshipers, but the way they acted and the way they moved didn't seem human and I know it's not a big foot encounter, but I had to hear about this experience and I'll let Seth go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes@saskwatch Chronicles.com and if you get a chance to check out

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I know you're just across the bridge from me across the Columbia River. Did you grow up in the Pacific Northwest? Yeah, born and raised in Hillsborough and I went to school in Virginia so I was over there and went spurred doing that. This whole thing happened.

Yeah, it was a weird account I've read your email a couple times.

“And if you would take me back to 2001, what were you doing and what happened?”

Sure, so it was Halloween 2001 and some of the stuff that is kind of like present as far as it was a blue moon and some of that information, I didn't remember it, actually it was kind of one I was doing some research on this and that some of the stuff came more clear for me. It was Halloween and so I was going to school there in Lynchburg and going to college

and my best friend had gotten married that year and we'd worked together as well. And typically, you know, Halloween and college, I would have just gotten together with him and we would have gone and done something. I had an idea that I was just going to go for a drive, kind of get away. There was a lot of stuff going on in life too that I was really trying to sort out and figure

myself out, so I headed out out of town a little bit there in Lynchburg and I had been

went or you know, a place that you were well, I just, you know, I knew I could get up there

and you know, go for a drive and clear my head and enjoy the night and do this kind of big old loop that goes up there to pop, you know, kind of pops you out and like 10 miles down the road and you drive back into town. But when I was driving up there, there was no traffic and I don't know, I wouldn't necessarily

“expect there to be a bunch of people driving up there but, you know, I just remember”

that there was zero traffic on, almost oddly so like you probably expect to see somebody

driving through this place but there's, you know, what to look out, see trails and different,

you know, places that you can pull off and hide and I know this day, a turn out, the road kind of, you know, kind of split and then there was this grass media and so you could pull off, road, park and then keep going and then you know, rejoin the road after about 100 yards or so and set this is at night, oh yeah, oh yeah, and I couldn't tell you exactly what time it was, I mean, I'd say after 10, you know, some, some time between 10 and 2 and I don't,

you know, pretty sure I had not gotten too late or into the morning hours but yeah, I had

“pulled off and parked and, you know, just looking around there, looked like there was a trail”

there pretty well marked and so I got out of the car and decided I was going to go for a night hike, you know, there was, you know, there was, you know, there was nobody around, you know, so I, you know, really wasn't too worried about really running into anybody or anything that's necessarily happening. I mean, I've, you know, grown up hunting and, you know, walking around and the woods to chase down some market ready, you know, getting good locations

for gear and altitude up, you know, pretty clocking in the morning and it's dark, you know, getting in and getting out and, you know, in a night like that night, I mean, you don't need a flashlight or anything, the moon was so bright and I, I know I did where this trail was

“going to take me but I just wanted to, you know, just kind of go with whatever the moon really”

was and I, you know, as I kind of think back a little bit about the, the why of it, you know, why was it there? Well, it was like thinking and, you know, that kind of stuff but, you know, I did almost kind of feel like I was just kind of drawn, just kind of pulled into this direction for whatever reason and so I'm getting on this trail and it's not, you're up that, and this is the Blue Ridge Parkway. So the Blue Ridge is just, it's massive and I had no idea how big the

Blue Ridge was so just, you know, people kind of fill you in when you're living there doing stuff of where to go and what to do. But this, this road just drives right along the, the ridge line there of the Blue Ridge and so you're up on top and in the trail kind of goes off the back side of this hill and drainage area where it's not too steep but, you know, I mean, I got down, I don't know, maybe a couple hundred yards max and there was, you know, a little switch back in it and a

bench there to just sit up and, you know, I wasn't necessarily trying to, you know, really get a hike on, I just wanted that, you know, it's like, you know, sat there for a little bit and, you know,

looking around and just enjoying the view and the quietness of it and the night and the first thing

that I kind of noticed was that there wasn't the really, there was no sound and the feeling of it was kind of like being in a bubble, like, like somebody took a huge nascent jar and just kind of put it over the top of me where there was no sound where I was at for sure but there was just nothing coming from, you know, down the ridge line or, you know, typical night sounds that you would have and the woods at night, we're during the summer or spring, especially during those times

and we're in the fall now so it's, you know, it's not as loud as it would be during the summer but that means it's almost like, oh my gosh, that loud one that cicadas are close and going and going to all of a sudden, they'll just stop and then you'll get a little bit of silence before they pick

do always hear stuff going on in the woods, you know, and things happen and so there was zero of

“that going on and, you know, it's not like everything, it's not like I had like, you know, they're”

I'm back on that standing up or like this, you know, in sense of something, it's just, you know, my, my senses are hand attention and noticing it's really quiet but then after I wasn't there long, I mean, I'm probably sitting there five minutes tops, probably 20, 30 yards down the hillside. I just, I heard a snap, you know, just a twig, right? It wasn't big, it wasn't like a big limb, nothing really fell off of a tree but it was, it was noticeable. So I'm looking, I'm trying

to say, well, what, what was that, I don't see anything, not too much longer, I get another snap, not in the same location, little different location, not too much longer, I get another snap, totally different location. You know, probably within a couple minutes period of time, I've heard at least 10 of these limb snaps and I'm not seeing anything move and, you know, when you're izer adjusted, it's the big bright boom, you know, low humidity and so you can just a visibility

is really good, where I was hearing these snaps, I should be able to pick something up a wreck, in possum raccoon, whatever, I mean, scroll wouldn't be out of that time night but still anything that size I would, I would be able to see that and after these limbs continuing the snap and not being able to see anything and kind of, you know, going somewhat of a circle around me,

“that's when I think my sense is for my better judgment, started to take over and say, you know,”

say, if you're out here by yourself, nobody knows you're out here, where you're at and, you know, this is, I mean, she, we had cell phones, I did and then, you know, that was a lesson where

that first $300 cell phone bill, so you don't use it. So I went back to my car, my car was this

1970s Japanese bell there that I had bought from, this 85-year-old man added in the paper and I needed to drive into college, right? So 500 bucks was really where I was at, what I could afford and this guy had this 1970s Chevy Bell there, had been parked under his carport next to his house for probably 20 years plus 55,000 original miles on the engine. The interior was just, it was so nice and everything worked. The exterior was this, you know, beautiful avocado green or whatever they've been making

at that time, but that was, you know, good. But it, it had oxidized and, you know, it wasn't anything really look up, but just talk about a cool car. I loved that car. It drove like a dream. It had this two, two speed slipping slide transmission is what they called it and later on found out that they're great for drag racing and stuff. But anyways, not about that. It was, there's just my, my, my car. And so I get back to my car and not too much really happens. There's nothing like I don't feel

like I'm getting chased over with or anything. I can't tell you if the lens kept snapping or whatever. I just got back to my car after a short little hike out and, you know, get into my

“car, roll down the windows and I'm just kind of thinking about it. Like, what is that? What was that?”

You know, I didn't feel like I better get out of here or anything like that. I just kind of was just curious. But after I had sat there for a little bit and, you know, check it out my mirrors around the window. Don't see anything. No cars driving in or out. Nothing going on. You know, I think I was almost thinking maybe I, maybe I, I'd add it there or something like that. And there was nothing going on. But I, and decided to get back out of the car yet. But then

the next thing I remember is, um, and I couldn't tell you what came first. It was almost

about the same time. But, um, it was, it was like something hit the car and just, you know,

but a green one. You know, it just has that perfect density to have a bite with your friends.

We should be worth told, you know, you can't throw dirt clouds at least in my house. And, you know, got my, my backside tan enough time for that. But I gave up on those. But these Douglas for a cones were awesome because they did not feel good when they hit you. If you threw them hard enough, but we'd have those fights in this case. But I mean, so you know, the sound of what

“one of those things paying off a car, something like that. That's what that, that's what I would”

tell you that hit the car was a Douglas for a cone, but there's no fur trees in the area. It's

the siguous forest. There's, you know, not even a pine tree really around. So, what hit the car? I couldn't really couldn't tell you if that's the sound of a paper pin. And, like, well, no wind, certain, you know, and sure these trees have something in them that, that, you know, could fall off and might. But anyways, it didn't warm me too much, but then there was another one. And then there's, like, applause. Not too much longer, another one. But I'm not seeing

whatever it is hit the car. And so, like, I'm seeing things fly off the hood, which almost sounds

“like where it would have hit or the top, the top of the car. Then I'm, you know, really,”

really perplexed about whatever is happening right now. And as I'm looking out, the windshield at the end of this parking area before you drive back on to the road there. There's, you know, trees, but then it looks like there's a bit of a rise. So, you can see through the trees, but, you know, that skyline is probably 20 feet up in the air, you know, due to the rise of the backdrop there. But I could still see through the trees and what I noticed was that the shape

of these trees didn't look right. And, you know, so I'm looking at them and wondering what is it

about that. And then I see that it's actually, there's, there's movement there. First time I've seen

“anything movement there. And it was, at that point, I could see that the light between the trees”

had done blocked. And then you'd see the light again. I really couldn't make out what I was looking out, but I could start to see that those that that light wasn't shining through, then was in so clear, that's, you know, indicates there's something there. And as I'm really focusing in on this, I, looks like there's, like, a hooded figure, like a person that has, like, a black cloak on them. I mean, and they're, they're a good 50 yards away from me, I'd say. So, I mean, I'm

just believing that I'm seeing this in that the same time. I'm like no, I'm pretty sure I'm seeing people in those trees. And so as, you know, looking at my rear view and trying to see what trees are anybody else, but, you know, I thought probably what happened was, you know, I'm out there going for a hike and I must have kicked up some, or walked into, I don't know, a group of Satanists or something like that. Every once in a while, you, you know, we talked to the people

and they'd be like, oh, there's a lot of activity in the area. There's, you know, it's a topic and people will drop that, not that they have too much to be able to say about it, but, you know, they'd find things around in the woods, or it was summer's written up in the paper or something like that. But, you know, I was my best guess was I, I probably interrupted their evening of whatever they've got going on, on Halloween night with the flu full moon. And that's probably a good time for

them to, you know, do whatever they do. But, um, and so that was my, my best idea I had at the moment, but there's enough distance in between us that I'm really not too worried about it. And I'm curious,

car, you know, get these things paying off of it every few, you know, 65, 10, 30 seconds or whatever

“the time is. But as I'm, you know, looking at them, they're not really coming towards me.”

They're just kind of scanning there. And I don't see anybody for anything really going on to my right, which is, you know, not too far to the tree line there or behind me. So as I'm just curious about this, I just look out my driver's side to to my left where there's 10, 15 yards probably of pavement there, then the pavement ends before you hit this grass, medium between the main road in this parking area.

And then there's there's nothing growing out there. It's just grass. And on the other side of the road,

the tree tree line there. But as I'm looking out there with full moon shining down, it looks to me like there's shadows where I couldn't see where, you know, I don't know,

“maybe the trees didn't cast a shadow from the angle in the middle of everything else,”

but there was definitely these shadows that were out in this grass and medium that looked like somebody had taken out like a blanket and just throwing it out there and several of them out there, probably five, six, seven of these, these shadows that I'm seeing out there, you know, I'm looking at those. And then I'm keeping an eye on what's in front of me. I can sure right, nothing's coming in on me. And these every time it seemed like I would look back to the tree line in the figures,

in the front of me, that's when I would look back at the median and the grass to the left, they had moved. And they didn't look like there. I mean, it looked like there was any like body, I guess, there, but you know, like if somebody was in some road, they'd be out,

if they were laying on the grass basically out there and, you know, as I were going to look back

and in the front and not for long, but just come back and it's like, how could they possibly have changed position and moved so quickly into these different positions. And if they were even they were, you know, just, but they definitely would change positions and they were getting closer to me. And then they weren't just on, eventually, as I'm doing this and they weren't just on the grass. They were, you know, getting, like, onto the pavement or near the pavement. And that's

“when I started to see these figures, the best way I can describe this is it looked like they had”

a big lighter that they were trying to get to light and it was out of fluid or wasn't patching for whatever reason. It was just like spark, spark, spark, but every once in a while it would catch a flame just for a little bit. And I think they're all seem to be doing this, like, simultaneous. I wouldn't tell you, it wasn't like they were synchronized. It was just kind of, you know, one of them, spark, spark and front of the other one too. So it looked like these figures that

were coming towards me on the ground and kind of, you know, shifting every kind of look away and got closer, look like they wouldn't have these, like, in, like, where they would be as in front of their face, where their face would be. And I would, and I can't think in, like, I should be able to see hands or a face because it would light for just enough time to cast enough light where there could be something there. And if there was, I wasn't saying it,

and, but I could see that these figures were, like, I could take it, I could tell that there was an outline of a hood and that that was, you know, like, maybe a foot off the ground as if just imagine somebody laying there and then lifting their head up and, and lighting of trying to light these lighters right in front of their face would purpose that would possibly even serve no clue, like, why I don't know. But as they're starting to do this and move closer to me,

and they probably don't want me here anymore, but the instaverting curious and trying to

guess, well, they're, they're evening, if that sounds like a good time, nothing better to do. I start kind of talking to them out the window and kind of talking them, like, like, hey, oh, you know, that's a, it's a really tricky got there with that letter. When it be nice, it's like, if it would work, and you know, just stuff like that, I can, specifically,

“because I just, just trying to, I think, kind of calm myself down and make sense of the situation”

while it was happening. But by now, I'm like, I really want to know what these things are,

because they're doing things that don't make sense to me. How can you possibly

in just a very short period of time, as I'm looking one direction, move? And then I don't remember moving anymore. Like, once I start looking at them, I'm like, I don't think they moved anymore, but how could they possibly do that? And so I'm trying to figure this out. But I got nothing, but they eventually get close enough to me that, I was like, well, that's enough, you know, that's definitely close enough. So I start my car, just threw it in drive and was like,

dawn and just drove, you know, straight out and whichever direction was out of there, like continuing on, my, my, where I was headed to for the evening, and I didn't see anything, like hop up or, or, um, you know, chase me or, or anything like that. But, um,

“by that time, I think I was pretty well freaked out, because there was, I just couldn't make”

sense out of what was going on, really. I got probably a couple miles down the road, and there was like a viewpoint off the side of the road, and I just, um, still not seeing any traffic at all. You know, I was looking for like, where would these people have parked? Like, they had to have thought here somehow. They didn't see any cars or anything, so I'm showing sign of, you know, people being in the area. But, um, that I got a couple miles down the road, and it's needed to kind of

just try to calm myself down a little bit and pulled off. And, um, I started taking a look around the car, see if there was, you know, any sign of these things that they had been throwing or hitting my car with and didn't see any debris, didn't see any, you know, sign that they had, um, you know, done anything and left any evidence of what could have been hitting the car. And, um, yeah, I still didn't

“see anybody driving in or out. And, um, I think I debated to like drive back that way and,”

and see if they're, you know, they're still there or, or, or, you know, whatever. But, I, uh, I think I figured I'd probably been given a gift of, maybe not knowing what these things were, or finding, finding out, or, you know, been getting any closer to me and so I just kept driving until it, um, popped out on the next road and I remember the gas station there and, you know, filled up my, my boat and then home. That was it. I don't think I told a soul about it. I kind of

maybe dug around a little bit on the internet, trying to see, well, you know, if there was any

anything in the area that would come close to, to being something like this, even though I never

was able to see a face or any any sign that they were a human or, or otherwise, you know, I still was trying to, I guess I was thinking like, like, what else could it be? I don't know. And so like, I just didn't find anything on it. And I did not talk about this for, so pretty recently. You know, I think it maybe came up once or twice. I talked a couple people, but, um, listening to other people on their counters and, and what's going on, I should probably, what was that? And, you know,

I got online and, and I looked around and tried to find, you know, any evidence and through the whole scenario and chatGPT and, you know, you know, turning this super sleuth. I did could not find anything on anything like this, but, um, you know, it put the, put the story together for me pretty

as if it wasn't strange enough, one of the weirdest things about it was researching it and looking,

“I mean, you're like, doing the, um, and I don't know what you call it, but you can kind of,”

oh, street feel, get down the street for you or you're actually kind of like, walking along or traveling along that same location. You know, I was able to see the location and the whole place looked identical to what, you know, it was. So, but the weirdest thing about it, the only thing that was wrong or didn't work for old scenario was it was on the wrong side of the road. And I have talked about that so many times. I'm like, what do you, what do you mean? It's not, it should be

on the right side of the road where I pulled in and then when I left, I went straight out and didn't turn around and come back where I was coming from and that, that does not make any sense to me. That, that, that, I don't know. And I probably, I would probably say, well, it must have remembered it wrong or something like that, but there's, you know, everything else that I can

“remember it clearly as I can about that whole situation. I think I would remember that and just”

not, you know, I'd give it, I'd give it if I'd give it away if that was me if it was wrong. And, you know, it was on that side of the road. And I just don't remember how I drove out or ran and then, then, fine. But, but no, it just not leave me alone, that that was on the wrong side of the road. You know, about five years ago, I'm interviewing this guy who had an encounter in the James River Face wilderness there in Virginia. And we go through the interview and we get

done and everything, we're not recording. And he goes, you know, I forgot to tell you about the time I ran into Satan worshipers out there. And I was like, oh, really? And he goes, yeah, I'm assuming that's what they were. It was in the Devil's Marble Yard, which is just south of where you were at.

It's across the James River. And the Devil's Marble Yard from my understanding, I've never been

in there. I've seen pictures of it. But it looks like just a big pile of rocks. I've never really looked up why it's called Devil's Marble Yard. But what was interesting is he was out there, it was just after sundown. And he comes across these three, what he called Satan worshipers. They were in black cloaks. And he couldn't really see any faces, and he assumed because it was dark. But the more we talked about it, the more I was like, I don't know man, this doesn't sound like

people. He said it was just black where their faces were at. And he didn't see any hands or anything like that because they were wearing these dark black cloaks. But as we were talking, he was talking about he goes, you know what was really weird. And he was assuming because it was he was seeing people in cloaks. He was like, it's almost like they floated it off. And like every one of them was

the same size, same build. And he never went back there. He assumed they were Satan worshipers.

But, you know, you go back and looking on Google and realizing that it was on the other side of the road. Makes me think it was something more paranormal. Do you think you could have been mistaken? And it was actually on the other side of the road? I wish I could say, yeah, that's probably, I mean, maybe that's, I mean, that is the authorizer there for you. You know, it's like that

“does make sense. And, you know, sir, I think, sir, it's just not how I remember this and it's just”

not the way I remember it. And I could be wrong. I mean, I mean, the whole deal is wacky, you know, like what part of it really makes any sense to me. I don't know. Might as well be, you know. I was kind of thinking that maybe when I was going back and looking at Google or that I wouldn't even find the place, you know. But, you know, on the wrong side of the road, I mean, that's kind of power for the course on a blue moon and the Halloween. You know, a lot of paranormal encounters

you'll find a lot of weird stuff like this where people will say, "No, it happened over here." And then when they go back to the location, it couldn't have happened over there. Make sure one or a few steps into something. I mean, it's creepy. The whole night is creepy. And the area where you're at is pretty notorious for paranormal activity. I mean,

What is it, the west over plantation? And it's a really haunted area. I think it's a tourist

“attraction now. But I've had eyewitnesses have weird things happen over there. And that's not”

far from where you're at. I wanted to ask you originally, was it three figures you were seeing kind of through your windshield? And how big do you think they were? Do you think they were like the size of a human? Well, I mean, as I was talking this through, I was thinking that skyline was like, you know, probably 20 feet up from the trees. I don't like that couldn't be it because I would have made them for me to see the movements in the trees. I would have made them ridiculously tall.

So it was probably, I mean, on the top of this ridge line, it was probably more gradual than that,

like maybe about a five-foot difference in that elevation. So that would have made them, you know,

“some somewhere around like, I don't know, six-foot, eight-foot, maybe eight would be pushing it though.”

But probably closer to about that six-foot, seven-foot. And there was more than, there was more than three that I could tell. Like, I would probably put the total number somewhere close to 1520 that I could tell, because there was probably there was at least like five, probably around seven, that I could kind of take out in front of me. And then the ones that were on that

median, like how they got, they were the Kim from no idea, but they were, there was at least five,

five, six of them out there. And yeah, so, I mean, total number, who knows what I didn't see and where they were at, I mean, why, why just, you know, stay in that location and come from that direction, why not behind me, or, you know, the proximity to my right, in that tree line, would have been far closer to, you know, close the distance on me or something. I just didn't really like, I mean, such a weird thing to like do. And then why not close the distance in front of me, too?

“I just kind of stay there, why not, you know, continue to move in if that's what there was some”

goal like that. The ones you were actually seeing in front of you, that you really took notice of, like, oh, they were in cloaks. Were they the closest to you? No, they wanted to be in the far this from me. They were, you know, from where I was parked. There was a good 34 yards out in front of me in that tree line. And it was about the same behind me, I'd say, too. And it was at least three, but there was, you know, I don't know, there was more by the end of the whole deal. And so you see

these three main figures kind of in front of you. Obviously, there's more than just three, but your focus is there and there's other things going on behind them that made you think there was more than just these, these ones you're looking at. And you mentioned some movement. I mean, what was it that they were doing? Just standing there, just standing there and then, and then moving, like, they had, I mean, they're moving slightly to their left or their right in order for

me to see, like, that originally would call my eye. And I'm not sure if they were like standing behind the trees or in front of the trees. I couldn't tell you that, but yeah, moving out enough to be able to close out the light from behind them where I was able to, you know, pick them up. And I know that you said it earlier and I probably missed it. The ones that are directly in front of you, how far away are they? 30, 40 yards in front of me is where I would say that was.

And then you look over to your left and you're noticing there's other ones in the field. Yeah, they were off to my left. So, yeah, the way that I pulled into this area, and I was parallel to like the curb. So, yeah, to like to my left, there was a parallel grass line of that median. And that median is probably about 50 yards long total, I'd say. And then across the total width of it was probably about 30 yards to the distance between. So, I'm probably like 40, 50 yards

off the main road where I'm at. And then there's another, you know, that that paid parking areas,

median that they were on. And so, when you very first take notice of them, it's not like they're

“up running around. When you see them, it's like they're down on their bellies.”

Yeah, yeah, they would have had to have been laying crown. But it wasn't like I could really truly see that they were figures at that point. I just, you know, it looked like, somebody took a blanket and several blankets and, you know, kind of just threw them out in the grass. But, you know, I noticed them all that I wanted to go for those there before. I don't know. I don't think so. Because, you know, sat there and stared at them for a minute and then realized,

that probably got to keep an eye on the front of me and, you know, just had got them on a swivel

going around and trying to see what's going on and make sure, you know, I'm not going to get caught off guard or surprised. Yeah. Yeah. No, they were just like, they were just like, you've been really see, like, that they were at the hooded cloaks, beings or people. It just looked like like, blankets got tossed out there on the grass. So the ones on the ground that were kind of like blankets, I mean, I realized they're moving closer to you did eventually did they have a shape like

a person wearing some sort of weird cloak. Yeah. Like, like, if, like, you're like, somebody's doing

like a, like a, what kind of a crawl is it where you're on your belly and your, um, like if it were

me, I would be like, all my belly with the lid on facing down and then like, you know, bringing my knee up and that that shape like one leg straight won the out and then arms kind of coming up. So it wasn't like it was like the shape of a person as I would think of like, you know, a person standing there laying there. But, um, as those shifts and changes made, uh, were made then yeah, I mean, those are clearly these things that were out in the front of me now on the grass

over here. Yeah. And I mean, these things are relatively close to you to begin with, and I realize you're trying to focus on what's in front of you while looking over to your left, keeping an eye on whatever these things or whatever they're doing. As you looked up and then looked to your

“left and kind of, oh, to imagine it happened that quick. How far up did they move?”

So how when they would move, it was having like six inches, not much. So I mean, I guess it's totally possible as I'm looking away that, you know, something could move that quick. I mean, they've clearly had a skill set that I'm not familiar with. So they are filling that. How close were they to your bail air when you decided, okay, this is too close this time to get out of here. Hmm, they were about halfway across that road there. So what is that? I mean,

about a parking strip, why, five, five, five, five, five eight feet, maybe 10, maybe? And they're relatively close right before you took off. I mean, when you were looking at these things,

“kind of crawling closer and closer to your car, could you make out anything?”

Can I make out like details about my hands, face, feet, and I could not. I kept thinking like, I've got to see like a boot come out the bottom or something or, you know, like, you know, and the, I mean, maybe there was, maybe there was like a little bit of an outline of a hand when the fucking was going on with the lighter. I think I was mostly focused on seeing face. Like, I was like, who is that? Like, I want to see if I want to see eyes and a fit and, you know,

I want to see a face to be able to kind of put the pieces together now because really I've just got these cloaked things. Like, and I couldn't even tell you if there was any, like, a body has a, you know, a depth to it, right? There's like a body on the ground as, you know, however big that that dimension is. That should be something that I'm able to see pretty well by the distance and I'll have all the situation and I couldn't tell you that I could not, I couldn't see anything

other than like the cloak itself and where there should be a body and there should be like a hand

but I was pretty sure I did not see a face. Like, not enough where I could say, yeah, that's, that's

“a person. Yeah, it's just so bizarre. The flickering of the light, did they all do it at the same time?”

Yeah, not all at once, right? It was, you know, a couple. It was like the ones kind of in the trees.

I think first, like I was like, am I said, you know, flip, flip, flip and not all at once, but

they, um, I'm pretty sure they were all at one point. I'm doing it. And, um, and the ones that I really was mostly focused on by this time are the ones that were kind of next to me on the ground. And, uh, yeah, every single one of those things had had, had had this slipping thing going on. I mean, it's something like that that makes me keep thinking that it has to be a person or something like, I mean, because a big wider makes sense to people had those things, especially if they're

in the woods and doing whatever. So I would make sense for them to have that. But, um, and that

would make them, you know, definitely like a human to me. But, um, anyways, I kept going there.

I was just, you know, you answered my my question, Seth. And, you know, you're right, even with like a big lighter, you know, that small, quick flick of a light, you would think you'd be able to make out something, but you're just seeing black. I realize you're not going to be able to make out like details or, but even in that brief moment, you're going to be able to see, oh, there's a face there. And you just seem black. It's just strange to me. You know, you'd mention you were kind of

taunting them. Did they start flickering this light after you were kind of taunting them?

“I couldn't tell you. I mean, I, the, the only thing I remember is, or I don't remember the timing”

of it, but the only thing I remember is, or as I, what I actually said to them was, um, they, that's a pretty good trick there. That's a good one. You know, that's, that's what I can remember. I said, I probably said, who knows what, but since all types of numbers say, but I did talk to them for a while, trying to, like, I just, I was trying to get them. Oh, and I would also say, I see you. I see you. I see you. You're right there. And so, yeah, I wanted to let them know,

like, they're doing a good job. It's like, I'm aware, very aware of where to, with the, whatever you're throwing or, however, you're making the sounds on my car, um, to all the stuff you're doing. You got me, you've got my attention. And they didn't respond to you. I mean, there wasn't even a

“reaction from them. Now, nothing. That's what makes me think that you didn't run into people.”

I mean, you get out there in Virginia. Those country boys don't play. You show up with 15 of your buddies and black dresses, and they're probably going to get shot. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And where are how did they get there? Like, there had to be, I mean, there just had to be, I mean, unless they carpooled and they got somebody to drop them off so that they could, you know, just, oh, my gosh, and then we're thought about that, like, you know, 20 of these guys all in eight passenger vans,

and they're getting dropped off at their pile and out of their vans to do their thing. But

where were they? I don't, I mean, I never saw any other than some of them in the woods. I never

saw any other than, so if we know them, um, you know, having any transportation or anything that would have got them there too. Yeah. When I looked it up on a map, Seth, I mean, it's, it's a remote area. You're not going to hike into there. You're going to have to be dropped off. What do you think happened? I mean, do you think you ran into people? Do you think you ran into something darker? Yeah, I think I, I really try to make it. I, I really try to rationalize it as a human,

but I just, I mean, there's, like, so many things about it that I just cannot put that together to make that a reality. So I mean, to me, I think it had to be had to be something, something not.

When you very first got there, you talked about it being silent. The forest was dead silent.

“Did that seem normal to you? That, um, that really kind of became apparent to me as I”

was sitting on the bench, um, you know, just kind of trying to listen and take in the environment and, um, you know, there's, there's no breeze. There's no insects. There's, there's, there's nothing. And I mean, the way that it kind of felt to me, when I couldn't tell you if it had started before I got out there or if it was right at that time, but it just kind of felt like there was this, like it, like I described it like it was a, like it just kind of got sealed off.

And that was like, it was like, no, it was like, it was in a vacuum or something if there was something there.

Yeah, that whole forest going quiet. I mean, you hear that a lot in big foot encounters. And you also hear about them throwing stuff at you, kind of like when you're in your car and whatever was being thrown at you. And I used to have this theory when it came to spirits that

“you almost kind of have to engage with them for them to truly bother you. And that's what”

makes me wonder about whatever this was throwing stuff at your car. Almost like trying to get you to come out, pick something up and throw a back at them, kind of engage with them. And you know, that area where you're at, there's so much paranormal stuff that goes on there. I think the plantations that are still there, Native Americans being killed in that area, the Civil War went on there, just a long history of just bad things. Even on the James River, people report this ghost fleet

from the Civil War. People will see this weird ghost fleet going up and down the James River. And it makes me wonder why this happened to you. I mean, you were just kind of there, money, your own business. Maybe it's just a bad area, you know? Yeah, it's definitely an area that has its fair share of that kind of stuff going on for sure. And I'm trying to remember what Chad said as far as, you know, potential things like, you know, when I say there was like workers

or a mine, but there was, there was some kind of like, like, tragedy of some level. And I don't really remember what that was, but there's, um, but it's interesting to just hypothesize on

“stuff like, you know, the land and the land having, like, a memory or, like, you know what I mean?”

Like, there's like, like, if something is trauma has happened in an area that's a significant, like, enough, I think it stays there or it's like it has an imprint that continues to just be there. And whether that's, like, opening up some kind of a gate or hell, you know, and and oh gosh, what is it? The veil I've heard it called, like, the veil being then, you know, if I was going to pick a night by blue moon, which I kind of did some research on, it's like,

really rare. I'm, I can say this statistically how often it happens, but it's not often and for it to be on Halloween. And, you know, I mean, those, there's a few pieces there that's certainly kind of add up to increasing the likelihood of something going on. Yeah, definitely make sure wonder, you know, even when King Kail the Abel is that his blood cried out to, to God, and the story goes, King tried to bury Abel, but the earth kept

spinning him up. It didn't say that God kept spinning him up, it said the earth, which makes you wonder, I mean, all these areas are so many bad things have happened. I wish I need more about that and how it worked, you know, that whole thing works. We know very little, man, and I wish I

had a great answer for you and said, oh yeah, here's what you're in into. I don't think you're

in into people. I really don't, but I do appreciate you sharing it. You know, I ask everyone on the show. What do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? Oh, oh, man, you, you're, you're, you're

to, um, of the show. And I am, I am really kind of, let's go with, let's go with, like, what is the

“gut say? And the, the thing that kind of you said that pops up is abomination. And I think that's”

through kind of the military channels. Like, I think it is some kind of a bloodline, you know, I mean, you take a look at, like, uh, Genesis 6 and the Nephilim, and then you take a look at, uh, spell, gosh, Enoch. And it says it real clearly there that there was not only just, like, humans, but animals, implants, defiled. And that, you know, I mean, gosh, you were talking about who is it that was talking about, like, centaur, somebody saw a centaur. I mean, a centaur. Like, what

is that? And so I think they're all kind of in the same thing. I think they are. And given their, less than rosy disposition, that seems to, for me, work. Okay. It's funny that I still want to put them in that, you know, cut a little teddy bear that, uh, you know, gosh, he was a guy that, uh, the lady that was feeding the muffins in he was on his motorcycle when he saw the two, the one that was in the tree cup, by its leg. And, um, you know, they're just kind

of these cute and totally beings that she was feeding out her house and doing a daycare for,

which is like, why isn't there more of that? Still, man, just incredible predators and beyond logic,

“just defiled logic. So I think that, yeah, that's where I'll stay the day, but it goes, but it goes,”

there's all over the place when I'm trying to, like, really try to understand and think about it. And I'm willing to entertain and really think about all of it. Yeah, you were referencing, uh, 419, and you know, I've kind of been looking into this cloning thing with, especially with Jeffrey Epstein, mentioned in his emails. And I reached out to someone who does genetics, uh, they're not really into big foot, but I had asked him, are we had a point to where he could mix a human and an animal?

And he started laughing. He was like, we could have done that 10 years ago. But assuming there's

some sort of abominations, some sort of, uh, creation that shouldn't be here, you would think it would be evil all the time, but they're not. You know, I think of like, um, I did this episode with Tommy and long story short. He grew up in a very tough home. And he was running away. And he started thinking in this swamp, quicksand, and the more he fought the more he sunk. And this creature came out of nowhere. And he said it was female. And it was the ugly thing he'd ever seen. And it actually pulled

him out of this swamp, walked him over to the road and dropped him. So something along the lines of like an, an efflum or an abomination. I guess in my mind, maybe I'm wrong. You would think it would be evil all the time. It's hard to figure out. Yeah, you know, and I think it, um, you know, I think there's the origin story piece that, uh, if you're, you know, as, as what they are, I mean, that's kind of what makes them the, the most sense to me. But as far as, you know, I mean, I'm just speaking out of faith

“here, man, is that the earth absolutely nothing that God cannot redeem if that's what the deal is.”

And I think that they, they have an element of that it's still God's creation. And so that means that they certainly can be. And I mean, that they probably have that beautiful part of all of us that really just wants love. Yeah, that's a good point. It's all a mystery, you know. And I really appreciate you taking the time set to come on and, and share it. I really enjoy chatting with you. Oh, thank you. It's really fun to talk to you as, and I, uh, and I trip, I just trip

now because, like I said, I didn't like you've been going through all this part of my life, like it's like you're in my, my car with me and, and you're like my brother, man. I just feel so much like you and with you are like my brothers and ever had. So I'm so grateful and blessed by you, man. Thank you very much. Oh, thanks so much, Seth. That means a lot to me, man.

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