SC EP:1238 I Know What I Saw

it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight

“up and led that shot to me and they don't make people that big.”

It was gliding across the beach and never seen anything moves like that in my life.

It sounded like a language and they were chontering away, back and forth, back and forth always. This is Cound from New Zealand and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles and I'm thankful that I've probably never had one of these encounters. Welcome to the show! Tonight we'll be speaking with Mike and Joe and I got the email originally from Mike talking

“about this encounter and his good friend Joe and the incident took place in Colorado.”

We're going back to 2018 and Mike had sent me these still shots of what Joe had actually captured with his phone and I'll let the guys go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com and if you get a chance check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows.

Let's jump into it tonight, I want to welcome Mike to the show Mike, thanks for coming on. And I'd like to start with Joe, I know we're going back to 2018 and Colorado.

“If you would, would you start from the very beginning, what were you doing and what happened?”

We was on an L-Con, it's a yearly L-Con we do and we've been doing it probably at that point at 15 years we've been doing it. I got certain places I went in the morning so I'd place the hunt in the evening and this was

going to be an evening hunt and I usually walk two or three miles uphill and my second half,

I turn around and come back and walk that same area but like come back to the camp on a downhill, make it easy and they would do it some log in this year and I just want to go see what they were cutting because it's going to affect the hunt for a few years so I just want to see what they were log in and you know the close I got I could hear the chainsaws and the machine is running and I was probably still a quarter mile out from where I would ever log in from and

I had my GPS out in my hand and I was just trying to get my bearing of where I was going and just trying to see what a log in line was going to start at. I walked this probably hundreds of times same area and I'm just walking and then I kind of look up and I caught something on my eye and I'm like man that don't look right and I'm more I looked at it I'm like and you know it's there's bear there and I've got a bear license I'm like maybe this is a bear and next thing you know

this thing kind of turns around to this looks at me you know and it's you know at first I

couldn't tell if it was standing up sitting now but after it turned to look at me I'm like oh my god you know you're trying to process what did I just see and when I looked at him I'm like with this ain't a bear because it'll bear I'd probably shot at it you know this ain't a bear and it's probably between 25 30 yards out and then I notice it's kind of sitting down and sitting

and then it turns it turns kind of back towards where the trees are being cut and at this point

I'm realizing I'm seeing something I've never seen before so I dropped my GPS I grabbed my phone

on my pocket and I pull up and I start recording I reach down I grab my GPS I get a I get some video of it from where I'm at and I just start walking off real quick in towards the guys that are cutting trees out there and as I come around the corner I didn't even know I actually cut video of a second time from a different angle I cut video of it from a second time and I just

“walked on off and I'm still at this point I'm like what did I see?”

You know was it a person in a costume and I think there's no way that the person in a costume at this time of year because the bear season's open and it's rifle season for bear I'm bow hunting but the rifle season for bear is open I'm like does nobody in the woods with this kind of suit on that's that crazy because they're going to get shot and you know I'm just still walking I pull the video back I watched the video I'm like what did I see what did I see

whether I see I don't know how to explain it I know what I saw you know then after that the thing is when I get back to camp how do I tell my friends what I just seen you know because some of them are pretty brutal some of them would but you know bite into it and go with it but most of them are just going to beat me up so I kind of walked out to where there were kind of trees

I never did find the guys kind of trees but I found the tree line and I want to see what

a timber cut and started and I wanted the rest of the evening on a bent pole and got back to camp and I kind of mentioned I said hey y'all saw a big foot and then the joke started and then I pulled the video out and some of them were like oh my god and then some of them were still a well was a bear and I'm like man it was a bear out of shot it it was a bear I would have known you know it had a face it definitely had a face when it looked at me and it stayed sitting down and never stood

it up it was either sitting on a log on a stump but it was kind of like I feel like when I first saw it I kind of felt like it was watching towards where the trees would be in cut but you know it was a lot of change so I was running a lot of machinery running a lot of beep and but it was probably three, four hundred yards out it was like it was watching them or listening to them and then I just walked up behind it and Joe I know that Mike actually sent me the still shots of this thing and

you know when I looked at it I was like oh oh he did capture something we send me the full video I continued the actual video now this was a short version I've since lost the whole version because

“I'm like three phones out since then but I got I think it's 18 or 14 second clip of it but I definitely”

can't send you that yeah I can't wait to check out the video so tell me Joe this thing turns and kind of looks at you would you describe the face kind of what you remember I can tell you if it was hairy but it was the same color as the fur but I can make out eyes cheeks you know nose mouth I can make all of that out and you can almost in the video if you if you go back and forth for a couple of seconds at that time where it's like turning the head you're going to see the eye

sockets nose and the kind you're going to see the face the facial features and like above the eyes the crown at a hand went higher than any kind of you know like a kind of gorillaish I'll go gorilla's hands real tall above its eyes and then when I run around the corner my phone still

video on when you catch it a second time you get a real good frontal view like from chest high

“I think what's interesting is you see this same go and it kind of turns and looks your way and”

then looks back at whatever it's doing it obviously knew you were there but it didn't really seem to care other to just acknowledge me there was no more interaction just it just turned looked at me didn't care about me you know and then on the second view it just looking straight at me so it just didn't get up didn't raise no arms up didn't do anything just telling you just oh look that's somebody and I know you were there just kind of scouting around after seeing the

same do you leave I've been a son I had a goal to where I wanted to be at at a certain time and then I get there and I turn around and I got enough time to get back to camp before the dark it's a it's a trick that I've done for years and and I've been very successful hunt in that area of Elkton I know where I want to be told about a certain time and I know how much time I get at because I don't like being in a woods and Colorado in the dark because it's so cold

we're from south Louisiana and that that's a different kind of that a kill you kind of cold up there

ever seeing this thing the only thing I've ever bigfoot when I was the eight nine years old when

“it's Arkansas and I had a vivid dream of a Bigfoot and yeah I don't remember exactly what it was”

he jumped on the core through a rock at us in the dream and from that point on I've been in the

woods since I was three and from that point on I've always you know I can say I was a believer

but I didn't say it doesn't know such thing because I've watched all the shows and I don't know what's the name of the filming California I've always watched that film and I'm a believer that they're there and there's never seen one and I never had any other answers that I said I could have been one I heard one of anything and I had family members over the years tell the stories about Central Louisiana that they've had a thing that they've seen and my daddy had an awkward at how

the story and there's never just misted but till till I've seen what I've seen you know 100% doubt I saw something I cannot explain and 100% note was not a bear seen too many bears I've shot bears and it was very peaceful it was very calming you know it's one of the scene that I didn't freak out that second and then when it looked at me you know I'm thinking man you know I can't be seeing what I'm seeing and then you try to process something in 14 seconds and it's just a little hard I'm

like what do I do you know so my thing at that point was let me just get to these people maybe

what these guys are playing around maybe somebody's trying to scare these people but I never did

get to the actual guys that were logging and still to this day when I go back to like last night I watched a video again last night it all comes back and I've seen what I've seen yeah you know

“from what you saw in the face what you remember and just the whole way it acted it's behavior”

did it remind you more of a man or did it remind you more of an animal it was less of an animal and it was super calm it like it didn't even start on I've started animals up I started coyotes and different animals and bears away where were you both each other the same time you kind of jump back you got a reflex off flinch there was nothing there when it's when it's one and look at me it they just saw me you know you know like yep somebody's right there and it's turned it's

head back towards the noise but it was more it was more the humanoid like a gorilla like anything else just the top half though the head is it reminded me so much of a gorilla because it was just extended up just like a cone almost but not you see in the video and uh

“it just wasn't startled that's just that's what was weird you know every other animal you”

usually see in the woods he just runs shocks us freezes it was none of that it was calm yeah it's behavior reminds me much more of a human the way it just kind of turned and looked to you there was like whatever and went back to what it was looking at and you're right and normal animal you would start with it and this thing didn't seem to be startled at all and Mike I wanted to ask you your your portion of it of what happened to you is it in this area okay my my port is

it's not even over there with him away he was hunting this was just my deal happened in North Texas we were about twenty miles from the Oklahoma border and it was a place called Belleview Texas you know I would go deer hunting up there with some relatives every year and this one particular year we get up there we were actually staying in the people we were hunting with had it's kind of rolling heels up there a lot of open area just rolling heels with a lot of cattle and mosquitoes

thickets and in like scruboks but a lot of mosquitoes take it so we get to their house and we're

standing in a camper basically out in the middle of a cow pasture and they had a pole out there

which that's where we got our power and our water was out and it was we was all hooked up we know we had power water everything so we stand on the middle of this pasture and when we get there this particular year we get to the camper and the guys wife comes over there and she you know we talk for a little while she goes oh hey by the way y'all need to y'all be careful out here she goes we just we we're not long found a calf and it was skin like skin inside out and she goes we I don't

recall over telling me that anything like organs or meat was missing off of the calf but it was just

do that if you got hands like so on that note so we we we proceed we we start on hunt and stuff

“and there was different areas that he would take us so he would bring on this to this one area”

and they would have three stands that he would that we would be hunting and they were about 200 yards apart and when I say a stand so it's the the deer stands were box stands that were elevated about four five foot off the ground so just one particular area there was three in a row by 200 yards

apart so he put to me out of the first one and then next two guys go to the next one so it was on

an afternoon I'm making an afternoon hunt and he goes look you just you walk across this the edge of this cop pasture just followed edge of the woods and you're going to get to a right away that cuts through the woods it was our power line that these huge tall power lines that cut right through the through the mosquito kick and he goes you turn in on that power line right away and he goes we walk down that right away and you're going to walk right to the box there okay so I get down

“there and I'll get to the right away I'm walking down it and it's about the width of the right away”

was almost almost almost you say it was about 20 yards across that's as wide as it was

20 30 yards across so I'm walking down there walking walking I get to the box stand I get in it

and I got words to a ticket to my left and kind of a ticket to my right and I noticed I'm right also at the edge of the ticket I could see what look like a little levee so it was a pond right there and in front of me I could just see like open like a little pasture in front of me so I'm making my afternoon hunt and a little while late I'll see a bobcat comes out so shoot the bobcat when I got him drug him put him on the knee to the stand I get back in it so I continue hunting

and a little later on some those came so I shot it one of the those and she ran off I saw where she went so I wait till it gets dark I'm gonna go look and see if I can find some blood or something so a little while before dark I noticed something like that I could smell something what's that smell and I just I couldn't quite grasp but it was kind of strong and oh man what was that at home it hung there for a little while then then it was going so anyway it gets dark

I get down I go out toward the front of the stand and I go look I could never find no blood so my

okay I look look I said I'm gonna come back after a while bring one of the gods with me and we're just going double check me you know make sure that I apparently didn't miss or whatever so I grabbed the bobcat from understand I turn around and I'm walking back out down this 20 30 yard wide right away back toward the pasture where I came in so I get about halfway down that I'm just going to call it a trail I get about halfway down for I get to the pasture

and it's the the trail was kind of flat didn't like dip down and then it was then it would like come back up and then you would get toward the pasture so I get to where it dips down and it was I was like god dang it had it was the same smell that I was getting from the stand but way stronger and here's the weird port you it wasn't like you walked into it and you gradually started smelling and it's like oh kind of smell something and then you get stronger

it wasn't that way this it was weird it was like you walked into this wall of this smell like you opened the door and it hit you and I walked about I'm just going to say 10 feet and I walked out of it like a wall you was in it and out it it was no gradual getting away from it it was like that was the weird port and I'm like what the hell is that and if you ask me well

“I'm because I know you ask me would it smell like the best way I could explain it is”

it's smell like a stock yard so I just and I didn't sit down and go oh it's a big food and I just my mind you know especially back then my mind just didn't work that way I was well aware of big foods and all that but that did so I got just I'm like okay I'm out of here I kept going walking I walk I'll get all the way back to the fence across the pasture I get to the fence where they go pick me up and my cousin met me there he was at the next stand down so he met me

the fence I didn't tell him or say man I got a bobcat you know I shot it at the door you know I said it's going to be a little bit for the fella was going to come pick us up I said you want to come walk back down in there with me and we looked to see if we can find somebody because oh yeah man so I left the bobcat there and got my gun on my rifle on my shoulder and we walked back down in there we get to that right away walking back down that trail and we get to that bottom

I said I don't want to tell you not and I'm just and it was still there still a strong and he goes bro it smells like a like a sailbone and if you know what a sailbone is it's it's where people bring a lot of cattle in hogs and just livestock for auction he goes blood it smells like a damn sailbone so we walk in there we went back we went look for the

to see if we could find blood never find no blood from the deer so apparently I missed it

so we turn around walking back out the snail is still there strong as hell at that point when we get back to the feet you know I never would I'm we never heard anything I mean I shot my light in the ticket right there well I could never see anything never heard nothing so we we get back to the

“fence and we talk and then I said oh that's the point where I was like bro I think that might”

it might be a big food hanging around and he need obviously he's laughing at me still to this day I mean he was just he just don't believe in and he just makes fun of me but I said dude I'm telling and he's like dude that's some damn it's a hog it's hogs that came through there and I'm like you got to understand this was probably almost 20 years ago that just happened at this point probably 17 years ago and back then especially in North Texas they didn't have the hogs like they do

now days they were not there and and toward the end of the years where we stopped hunting up there the hogs did finally move in but they did not have them in and I've been off killed hogs I've been around a trail or full of them that were that were caught and we would we would kill them and clean them in wild hogs and they didn't smell like that you know I've been right up against dead ones I've been with have aleneas which is your south Texas version of a hog and they got a

little musky smell when you get close to but it's been sure as hell wasn't like this and I've been

“hunting all my life and you know I've never seen a big food personally but to me I think that was”

one hanging there now the rest of that story goes I want one of my other cousins who was also there I was hunting in the in that middle stand one afternoon so like I said it was three in a world he was hunting in the middle one which was up 200 yards from the one where the smell hit me that night so he's not normally even in hunt he ends up shooting a little buck shoots it kills it and it got dark on him so he's out there in the dark by himself and he's waiting

for the the fella to go getting and once he gets back to the camp he's told me you know he's like he might he said oh it just this was there in the rut and for people that don't know what the rut is that's when you know the bucks are chasing those that's mating season footer footer deer that time when we were there and a lot of times when bucks are chasing those they make this

grunt sound like crap crap kind of kind of thing I've never obviously been hunting feet don't

hunt deer at night so to tell you how much that goes on at night but I does go on there in the daytime I'm sure it's a lot less at night so he acts as a me goes man just the bucks grown at night and I'm like well I'm thinking they do bro but you know he goes goes man I want to go get my deer and he said there was something out there and he said I could never see it but he said it was loud and he was just like his bruh bruh and he said in this guy's been hunting very

experienced hunter been hunting all his life he goes and he third deer grown I think he was just kind of trying to feel me out on he goes it's scared the hell out of me and he said I heard up I grabbed my deer and it was about a hundred yards for him to get to his gate and he said I drugged it back to the gate and he said man he said Ricky couldn't come quick enough to pick me up

“he said it scared me so if you want to know what my opinion is I think it was that same thing from”

200 yards down that whether you know I'm sure it had to hear him shot it's a rifle shot but probably knew that was a dead deer there it was probably maybe coming to try and take it

see what was going on but I think it was that same thing that I smelled and he never he didn't

lay eyes on it but he's just weird sound that he heard you know so that's kind of you know my story on on what happened up there in North Texas let me ask you Mike I mean you and Joe are experienced guys out there and you pull up to this ranch as she starts telling you the story about this calf that was killed and it was skinned inside and now if you don't believe in big foot the only other thing that would do that would be a poacher and I don't see a poacher doing that I mean

a cat's not going to do that I don't think you guys have bears do you guys have bears in northern

and when I see clothes a half a mile would be as his parents and it's a very rural when could it be a poacher yeah but I'm not sure I would understand with the point in poaching a calf and just skinning it shooting it leaving it just to shoot it leave it now maybe if you're a poacher I could maybe understand that but just skin one inside out you know like I that part I would not understand yeah you would burn up a lot of time on someone's property

I mean what's the point on skinning the animal especially a calf on someone else's property you know most poachers I know I don't know personally most poachers are burning into they're hunting but it's out of season and they're actually eating it so I don't like a poacher in like the United States means the same thing it's like you know people hunting game in

“Africa or you know poaching elephants or it's the same word but I think it has a different meaning”

because like I said I've run into poachers but it's always out of season and they're

killing to eat it's not just killing to kill not that I agree with it and you know I are family and friends in Dallas in the Dallas area and I go down there a lot I probably down there sometime this year before it gets too hot but you sneak on someone's property in northern Texas and you shoot their calf they're gonna shoot you I mean the people in the they will shoot you if you go on their property and and kill their calf exactly they will get shot

and and and again if you go up your poachers you're gonna do something like that might hit this is just my opinion that you you're gonna typically that person's gonna do it from a vehicle and if you're gonna do something dumb like that they're gonna shoot it from the vehicle kill it if that's just they're in tent and then just they're gonna take off and leave you're not gonna shoot it or just because she didn't say anything about bullet wounds

you know she said this thing was it was just can't inside out like it wasn't she didn't mention you know and in our husbands they've lived there all their lives and they

had never seen anything like this yeah really doesn't make sense did you ever follow up

with her it as far as like hey did anything else ever happen on that property no and I never really talked to her that often she we she just never came around much mostly it was Ricky the develop and man you know all the years we hunted up there he he never ever um it wasn't pretty straightforward guy you know I think if he would have heard something

“a saw something he would he would have definitely have told us and the only thing that ever did”

never came out of his mouth about something like that he was just a joke he was playing it there was some fellas that would stay right behind his house in the tent and they were from further south Texas but they would come up there and pay him the hunt and they would go up there stay in tents and they were hunting the area kind of behind where our camper was they had some thickets back in and Ricky he was letting them hunt back there and he just said one he said man

him guys was some spooky fellas he said I told him you know never go around the creek back there and

he said one night I went and messed with him in there tent and I said man that's a good way to get killed man people get scared they go towards you I mean he goes yeah he said I thought about that after that probably wasn't a good idea but he was just messing with them guys just as far as

“that little bit went but he never let on to us that there was anything that he had ever saw”

nothing like nothing let me ask you Joe I know that you're an experienced guy just like Mike and you know when I witnessed his report this smell it's 99% of the time exactly how Mike describes it you walk into it take a couple steps and you walk out of it which is weird because that's not really how smell works you know it's like oh something stinks and you're looking for it looking for it and as you get closer to whatever stinks the smell gets worse this isn't how the smell

works at all it's exactly how Mike describes it being kind of an experience guy out there what's your take on that when you hear people walk in and out of this smell the two stories I've heard from my family I said it was a local where we hunt at Louisiana the story that they had there was a smell with their account with bigfoot and like they said it was a smell they couldn't explain and their story was and this this was this was this was probably been in the 20s of the

30s it was an old the guy's uncle at an experience with one and it does the one he's seen actually said he was walking through the woods whatever he's seen and he said it was a female

uncle which I didn't know the guy because they would have been long dead by time I was around he had an encounter with one and it had a smell and you know the stories are too far back to

“remember them now but that's the two other stories I've heard in my life but uh back to my story”

I made friends with some locals up there in the first couple of years so these people I got

a 20s up the year relationship with when I got back to town from my experience how names miss Pam I told miss Pam I said it's Pam I've seen a bigfoot and all she did was smile and she goes yeah we know they're up there and she said we we get plenty of stories plenty of people see him in uh and I kind of like you you really don't want to tell nobody because of the jokes that it's an energy kind of understood it but she reassured me and still to his day we talk

about it that they're up there because they live there and it happened about 45 miles south of their house was where it happened and her and her husband there was no doubt in their mind what I told them and showed them the videos that yeah you saw what you saw my I had no smell I didn't smell

“anything I don't I'll do normal and it might have been a downhill wind thing but as you know it's”

just crazy I know what I'm seeing can explain it you know when I see what I see I kind of got shook up and you know I just felt real weird it's kind of like sick feeling and I don't know why that came over me it's hard it's hard to explain yeah you know after seeing the same did it change your opinion as far as going out there hunting I guess it really wasn't aggressive it just kind of looked in your direction and looked away but how did it affect you as far as wanting to go back

out there or did it I'm I'm gonna tell you what it actually did to me I've always been afraid of the woods

and I mean since I was hunting for my first times deer hunting on my own with somebody said here get right here to stand 300 yards down here it's on the left in the tree from that point on to probably that encounter I have always been afraid in the woods you know when I got on the stand I lived in my feet up so they went hanging off into the dark you know when I walked out I shot my flashlight I would talk to myself like I was two people I was always afraid of the woods

and I'm not really afraid of the woods I was afraid of running into somebody and just you don't I'm more afraid of people in the woods than anything I've seen mountain lines I've seen bears

they don't really don't scare me but I found after then counter I really have no more fear in the

woods I've lost my fear I sat on a tree to attend a clock at night and walk out you know put a flashlight and I don't have the fear anymore and I don't know if that encounter reassured me that I'm okay but no but before that point I was really afraid of the woods now in my tent at night because we tent camp in Colorado we hear things and we had a friend about two or three years ago video one night in his tent he was scared and you could hit a rocks clock and cacao cacao

and it went 360 degrees around our campsite and I've heard things walking around our campsite at night and I've had things I had a I've had a cow step on my tent one night a cattle cow so you we get weird things like that happen and we find formations in the woods with something stacked rocks up a stacked weird things up and just random and I've got pictures of that somewhere as it be to find them but we find things in the woods that just just little weird things that are unique

and they're stacked up perfectly and how do you how you point out all pack rats or what's done it you know just some crazy things like that but no I do not have any more fear in the woods since that encounter yeah well definitely sounds positive which is a good thing you know I ask everyone on the show what do you think says scorches what what do you think Joe what do you think that these things are I got I got a brother that's real smart and he's real versed in the Bible

and a lot of people and I'm probably gonna say wrong revert us back to Nebulins Nebulins and I did some research on that I don't think they of this world if you want my opinion

“after doing research and I think that from a different dimension a sounds crazy different dimension”

you know they just appear they there I don't I don't know but I don't really don't know but I've seen what I've seen can't explain it and what sucks is when you've seen it it's hard to talk to somebody about it because of the joke and then it'll happen some people like Mike I'm glad Mike called it at night when he saw that I posted it one time you somebody that you can talk to does not go to be the other side of me you crazy what do you

know what you was smoking and I don't drink I don't do drugs you know you know I'm normal person

because even that we was at a function last night and when I brought it up this was going to happen today there's a million questions and then you get questioned on everything that you say and then and all you can revert to back is I see what I've seen and I can't explain it and I'm not a religious person and my brother pretty much explained it the best and when you read it you know maybe

“that's what we're seeing and I listen to Claire Channel at night and listen a lot of stories and a lot of”

people revert back to Nebulins or whatever you call them yeah the the Nephilim will make you think it's an interdimensional creature not that I disagree with you but we'll make you feel that way because of everybody's encounters kind of like the same you know where did he come from nobody

else sees them they never on game cameras which everything's on game cameras you know they're

never on game cameras everybody's videos blurry mine's pretty clear compared to everybody else's and you know I've been in the woods my whole life I've covered thousands of miles and I come across this one one time no I never seen a foottrack a print I've seen I've had seen things makeshift shelters made in the woods I've got some pictures of those that I found you might want to see that if I could dig some of those up I'll get them the mic to send to you I have seen stuff like that

“that's unexplainable but I don't think they of this world that's the only way I can explain why”

you can't catch them you can't see them nobody's up a God one nobody's up a wrong one fall where they got to be interdimensional or something you know they just appear when they appear yeah there's a lot of weird things that go on and sometimes in people's encounters with these creatures and it makes me wonder what they are you know you come across any other animal in the planet and they're gonna probably flee from you and when it comes to predators if they don't flee

you're in trouble and I think out of all my years hunting I've only come across one black bear and it was by mistake but it wanted nothing to do with me thank God because I would have lost that battle and I realized black bears could move that quick you know we were talking earlier about this thing's behavior just kind of looking over in your direction and looking back

“at the tree line it almost sounds more human like than any other animal I've ever written into”

it had no worries of me at all there was no shock in the face there was no shock in the body language I was I was shocked a little you know like that dropped my GPS on the ground to grab my phone and you know I'm and if you're trying to play this quick in your head what am I looking at what am I looking at it was it had no concern of me and almost every video you see there is no concern of the human once the encounter happens they acknowledge and it just kind of walk off or do what they do

now I'm the one that kind of briskly ran off but it never it never left and I've been back to that

spot to try to find exact same spot because I had the GPS trail but I never could find the exact of where it was sitting in because they did do some logging in the trees a different the next time I went you know Joe through all your experience of being out in the woods have you ever seen these balls of light that we talk about on the show I was there in your Mexico we've seen some lights that I can't explain there was three lights in a triangle shape and this is totally different

from where we talk about now but we had a witness you know I had a thermal scope with me and we cannot pick these lights up on the thermal scope which I can get a 747 at 40,000 feet with my thermal

scope and that's the only light experience I've ever had I've never had anything in the woods like

wise kind of thing of the else that's ever happened in the woods I've never ran across a smell that was that kind of scared me I've heard noises I've heard screams I've heard things like that over the years that you know I wrote them off as coyotes or epoxy or cats but I've never seen lights I've had seen things stacked that I got said those things I find like somebody positioned things for you to find it yeah person could have done it but I found things like that I found shelters that were made

I probably found shelters four times in my life kind of like a lean to a person with mate but more rough like a person would take a saw on countries and branches and shape I'm trying to geometrically make it look like like a view will stick built on a house these things were like did this grab whatever they can grab and kind of distract them up until like a pyramid a TPP style just for like a quick shelter there was nothing I was humanly cut but it was definitely strategically

smell of you walking into it and walking out of it um I have not excuse me I have not ever smelled anything

“like that before and what do I think it is and why do some people smell them and some some don't”

I think it's possible that it's maybe something they put off when they are unsure or something or they get scared they're maybe they're scared um and it's uh I don't want to say almost like a skunk does when they threaten or scared or something you know they spray they just may be able to emit this and they don't smell like that all the time I really that's my best guess on it I don't know but like I said I've been around I've been around a lot of hogs in my life and I

never want smell like that especially that strong they didn't have the hogs up there like they

do nowadays it just they they weren't around and something else I couldn't explain that um not that this would be I wouldn't think it'd be big for a way because it'd be I mean I know they supposed to be fast but I don't know but when we first started hunting up there we'd be driving

“down these country roads or you know either early in the morning or in the dark coming back after”

the hunt those country roads were loaded were rabbits loaded with cotton tail rabbits when the first couple years we went and then it just seems like toward the end you know middle of toward the end when we stopped going up there hunting you if you saw one you were lucky and I don't know if that would be more attributed to you know the coyote explosion population but which I didn't see it personally um you know hunting I mean we would see a few here and there I just thought that

was something that was odd like the rabbits vanished it was odd man um because like I said those

roads were coming they were covered in them first couple years but yeah as far as you know smelling

anything like that in the years pad you know I've heard some weird stuff like Joe was just saying I've heard some you know I guess I could call with a screen I just was not up there just I do well we do a little awful lot of hunting in Mississippi I'd say about 30 minutes east and natures we do a lot of hunting I've heard some stuff you know on our place that it brought the light not in the dark and just coming it would be coming through the woods and it would you just

just say hi pitch what I just and it would just keep going and you could tell it it was it was not in one spot it was moving through the woods it just is high pitch I've just kind of rode it off because you know I do believe in big foot obviously but I'm not one of those guys that like everything I hear a seed I've got to be a big foot that's not me I don't I just don't operate like that but so I kind of rode those things off as mad as could be a bobcat or or we got a lot of gritty foxes

because it wasn't nothing that like rumbleed my chest or went right through me to sound you know but it was really loud and it was weird something that I didn't hear often that's for sure that's kind of the only experiences that I've ever had you know on my place in Mississippi now yeah I know I'm sure you've seen this video and this this video came from about probably 30 minutes from where we hunt up there was in the home of Chida Forest and this guy walked up on one and it was

“kind of in a swampy area and it was it was a stupid down I think the guy might have been in the”

hole cutting it was in daylight and the thing was stupid down it had an all rotten tree in front of it it was kind of in the water it was all cypress tree and the the big foot was peering the bark of it like he was trying to get near digging stuff or grubs or whatever and when the things stood up the guy took off running I know you had to have seen that video but that was very close to where we hunt it was in the home of Chida Forest in Mississippi now I've talked and I've talked to actually

a game warden up there about two weeks ago just to feel him out man I said if these guys if anybody if they heard some stories they didn't know so I asked him and he was just I don't

think he was hiding anything from me he said he's grown up there he said I've never seen nothing

you know in my life but he said there was one story where a man had told me that he had one behind his house and he didn't elaborate on it he just said yeah I talked to a guy not too long go said he thinks he's got one behind his house and you know rooting around back there and that was the only big foot story he could tell me he did tell me that I was just telling Joe this early he said he was standing on the edge of not to get off the big foot subject but this

is UFO really it he was him and a coach was standing on the edge of a football field by a school and it was it was dark but he said you know that the stadium lights and stuff and he said it was just I don't know 40 foot tree line 40 foot high tree line right in front of him and he said I was suddenly could see this object coming over the top of the trees

wasn't just sitting there it was actually moving but it was very very slow and he said it was

“triangular shape and it was either black a very dark and color and he said it was humongous”

he didn't give me a scale but he just said this thing was freaking huge and he said as it come over to top of the trees he said there was no sound no sound from this thing at all and he said you know a lot of people tell you I'd see him and it just they take off and they go on he said not this one he said it just like it evaporated it was it was gone and he said they both saw it but I just thought that was weird that is interesting and I appreciate you sharing that Mike

have you ever seen the balls of light when you've been out in the woods? I haven't numbered that and this happened when I was just a little boy so my daddy and a good friend of his was frog in one night now you'll be living south Louisiana so there's a lot of moisture out here so it was in some duck ponds one night they were frog in catching frogs and it was in a little mud boat so they go on along and he said oh son not a nowhere it's just he didn't say it had a shape

to it as they're like a triangle or not like that he said it was like a baller like but he said it was huge big and he said it come out over to pond where they were and he said it was whatever far you know 15 foot off the water and he said it was following he said they were moving the boat as they frog it and he said it was following him and they were stopping it would stop and they take off again and they would take off and it just kept doing that and he said it did it for quite a while and he said

the next thing you know kind of like I was just telling you this one didn't evaporate he said it just it just shot off into the sky and it was gone that's the only baller light story I have I haven't seen anything like that personally yeah you know Mike you were talking about one of those creatures it was on video where it's kind of in a swamp and it's tearing apart the the bark on a tree or first time I watched that I was like that's real that's one of them and it's interesting

that it's in an area where you guys hunt let me ask you what do you think Seth Squatch is what's your

take yeah so I I've got a lot of things on that man I've always believed in them all my life probably

the first time I ever saw anything big for a lady would have been this proud guess in the 70s when I was a little kid to pass in Gimland film it was like coming to they must have made a little short movie about it because it was coming to a movie theater and down here where we live

“so that was my first thing on and I couldn't remember me asking my dad about him but that is”

that he never said oh that's not real he just said oh that's that's over there in northern California we ain't got that over here I guess he was trying to not scare me because we we hunted you know so then as years went on like I said always believed in it and then in the past 10 years I really started reading more on it and watching all these just you know now at the internet there's so much information and then a lot of years ago was when I came across your site

and but just it was your site for what it was I was always my favorite I just kept got there because

there's a lot of them now but I always kept going back to you know your show and I learned a lot from it so as far as you know once you start reading in the south watches it's not just like it's a big there's so much to this deal man because you got all the cloak and stuff where they look like they can be like the predator movie where it's pixelated right I don't know what that's about can they turn it on and turn it can or is that just another creature that's just

stays in I don't know I do think they flesh and blow it my mom's opinion I know they bleed because of all the stories I read and there's enough stories out there where people have shot them and it was blood so can they be from from I was can they be sort of the UFO thing very possible because a lot of people say they see unidentified like plants also so whatever you want to call a UFO those or they see lights and then these things appear so could there be some

“correlation with that yeah absolutely I think I mean because nobody knows or they live in the”

or they live in all living in caves or underground well I know a lot of Mississippi don't have caves so where where these things dear where they going dear in the day why are they not seeing more because there's a lot of sightings in Mississippi man I'm talking a bunch I really don't know what these things do where you know where they stand all the time because they need just one that's several of these things and I think they're more on that could it be like a human cross but

I'm I'm gonna say there's a good chance and that I think they're more on our end in the apian I think they're actually more from everything I'm seeing in the reading I think they're more intelligent than we are for one thing they can do more things like would the in for something

him how nauseous he said bro after the fact not like instantly like after the fact he goes dude I got so nauseous and you know like I don't even know if I'm mentioned in for some time at that point but

“I was like he probably probably got hit with it and didn't even know it so yeah I think they're more”

on on a human line would they or nobody and when you got to watch how you see when you when you say nobody knows because I think somebody odd arrows I think the government knows all about these things and they have been for a long time they probably have them not only just dead bodies but who knows man they may have ramen I don't know what they're doing

but I guarantee they know these things exist there's a million reasons why I mean I can

understand why they don't want to just come out and say hey man you know a big foot's real and what would that would do to the economy and it's crazy it's going to trash everything nobody's going to want to go in the woods so that goes your hunting industry all the national parks nobody's going to go out there they have to stop logging you know because they're going to try and protect these things right now you got a smart humanoid thing out there that's so they're going to protect

all these sort of logging industries gone because these things are everywhere I mean it's going to

“escalate with trash everything if you think about it it would crash the economy yeah I think the”

opposite would happen you know if I said here's a GPS location of a family group or you is going to say no or you guys are going to be like yeah let's go check it out and I'm not saying this you want I'm just saying because the curiosity of it I think the public's curiosity of being

hey let's go see one whatever take the fright of I'm never going in the woods again I'm never

doing this again and when it comes to the lumber industry I guess it depends on what kind of an animal this thing is if it is a normal natural animal and I could be wrong I mean to your point mic I mean you could be a 100% right and I do think that they're very physical you know if you took mic's theory and combined it with yours you both could be right right I mean and it depends on you know there's going to be both sides of society some I'm going to be curious I'm going

to go check it out some I'm going to try and kill it that's obvious but then you go have the ones that are scared you know and then I'm going to go nowhere because if anybody does any kind of reading and you see how many missing people are in these national parks if something and I'm talking about a lot of people anywhere from kids to grown-ups there's a lot of people come up missing in national parks and then just in the woods in general but national parks a lot so can you

attribute all that to big food absolutely not I mean some of it's going to be weather related some people just get lost or or whatever or get hurt you know fall down or clear whatever break you know they just end up dying out there but so the effects of it could go all the way but I mean I think a lot of people that come up missing out there is because of these things not all of them but I think a lot of them and I also think that big foods are like people in a way as

as far as the sense that you got good people and you got bad people meaning you got murderers so on big foods I think it's the same thing they're not all the same they don't all look the same and they got different personality some of them are friendly and and some of them I think you get them in the wrong and they will kill you you know now what they do which I do they actually each you I don't know all that but do I think some of them will kill you absolutely

yeah like I said you could be right I mean it's it's one of those things I think it would crash

“economy if it was a normal natural animal out there running around but I don't think that's why”

it's being covered up and you kind of said it earlier so you think it's more of something that lanes more closer to us than an animal I do man I do I think they have a lot more towards us than animal they have their own language we don't understand it and is it something that old or ancient I don't know what it is some of the best ones that I've heard was from I think it was from the 60s with some Northern Count I think in the Sierra's the Sierra's sounds is that it

the Ron Lorhead stuff where they then you can hear them man that the voice is a weird so I mean they have their own languages I don't know man I just think they're and they can avoid I think they've studied in us more than we study in them if you want my honest opinion

if you've been in the woods long enough even though you've never seen one I guarantee you they

watching us more than we've been watching them and it's been a real pleasure having both of you guys

“on and Joe thank you for coming on and if you would send that video I'd sure appreciate it”

yeah while while we was in here I found a couple of those those shelter pictures and I'm

gonna go back on some older phones and try to find some of the other ones that was shaped like

TPs but we'll keep in touch it was pretty neat yeah thank you again Joe and thank you Mike for coming on and kind of setting this whole thing up today like I said I really enjoyed chatting

“with both of you yep but thank you us and that's it for tonight everyone remember if you've”

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