Scrub is Blind with Jessica Barrett

Guaranteed human. A monster. And I'm Granda Stewart.

And our podcast game recognized game has never been done before.

Two active players giving you a real look at our lives and what we actually think on and off the court. Nothing's off lips. We talked tanking. Am I getting trouble for this answer?

“But I think it's like definitely happening in the WWE.”

We talked about on mistakes too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey man. We got a call last night and you can't be rolled around the city like this tonight before games. Check out Game Recognized Game with Stooie in Miles on the iHeart Radio app. Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

On the adventures of Curiosity Co. podcasts, what is the right fit? Is it what everyone expects? In the case of the right fit. Ella explores movement, confidence and belonging. And learns that not all strength looks the same.

This women's history month story introduces kids to women who change sports by trusting themselves. And moving differently. Listen to adventures of Curiosity Co. Every Monday from the Black Effect podcast network on the iHeart Radio app. Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hello, it's me Anna Sinfield, the host of The Girl Friends. I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick ass women on The Girl Friends Spotlight. I'm going to climb it! Is badness hereditary? Let's see how we can stop gaming.

I'm not too intimidated by her. What are you talking about? Listen to The Girl Friends Spotlight on the iHeart Radio app. Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Danielle Robe, host of Bookmark to the podcast by Reese's Book Club.

And this week on Bookmark, we're basically hosting the Ultimate Girls Night.

Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Garner, Judy Greer, Rita Wilson, and Gary Rice and author Laura Dave. These are the women behind season two of the Apple TV series The Last Thing He Cold Me. We're talking about turning a book into a hit show. And what it really takes to bring a story to life.

“The most important metric for me is do I want to share this book with somebody?”

That's what creates community and that's the main thesis of our book club and why we started it. It was just to connect people together. Listen to the bookmark by Reese's Book Club podcast on the iHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Scrubbing in with back a tilly and tony red and iHeart Radio and two times people's choice award-winning podcast.

Hello, everybody. We are scrubbing in. Today is a special day because we have a special guest. Yes, we do. We fell in love with her from love is blind this season.

And I think we all collectively kind of wrapped her arms around her mid-season. Is she united the world? She did. Or the US. She did.

We need to know. People all over could be watching the USA love is blind. Yeah. And she collectively had a soul on her side. Correct.

Which felt really good for us. For once. So I cannot wait to talk to her. I have so many things to ask. And I can't wait for her to scrub in.

So everyone welcome Jessica Barrett. They're so much to discuss. We do want to set the scene for our listeners because we are doing this interview on a Tuesday. The reunion airs tomorrow. This is airing days after.

So everybody will have already seen the reunion. So we are. We got some spoilers. So we know it happens. But we just want to set the scene.

We don't know everything. But we know enough. Okay. Can we start? I have so many questions about the process of love as blind.

In the timeline. The timeline in the process. So how does one get on the show?

First of all, is it a casting?

Totally different for everyone that you ask. I personally got a DM which was crazy because I had a private Instagram. I don't like my Instagram is literally like my. I'll be in costumes in my bulldogs. I think it's exciting.

And I got a message from a casting person. And obviously, I thought I was like being catfished. It was like this is crazy. Send it to my little sister, my parents.

“And they were like, obviously, you need to answer that.”

And I said, no, there's no way this is real. And even if it were, there's no way I could do this with work with everything. Right. Crazy. I had a conversation with age.

The person who reached out to me from Kinetic and just kept talking. And it was basically me trying to convince her that she didn't want me. And her trying to convince me that she did.

How did you find me? She was actually, they probably do their, I feel like they do their research in, because every season of love is blinds in a different city. Yeah. They really go in and like just hit the ground running, ask people for like recommendations

of like really awesome singles that they know. And then they just like go in from there. That's the only thing I can think of.

“I think one of my friends maybe said something to someone.”

Yeah. And I just don't know. And this was in the fall. So we filmed in February. And she message me at some point in the fall.

It's a very long process. Yeah. Yeah. That's when we filmed. 24.

Oh. February 25. But she reached out. It falls 24. Yeah.

Yeah. So this has been like a full year since you filmed. Okay. And the reunion was filmed recently a couple weeks ago. Maybe I don't even know what data is.

Where am I? Yeah. Okay.

I do think it's interesting because I always wonder like after love is blind.

After we see like the weddings. Why don't we get the reunion right after?

“And I think it's because that was filmed a year ago.”

And then the reunion is like. Flatching forward present. Yeah. So a lot has transpired since we filmed. Right.

And it's funny because especially for those of us that had, you know, roller coaster experiences. I experienced that over a year ago. Right. And I were living it worked through it and done all of these things. And then all of a sudden, everyone else is experiencing it with me.

Like, oh my god. Oh my god. I'm like, yeah. That's kind of like old news at this point. I'm good.

Which is why you're probably able to like talk about it. I'm kind of surprised. Yeah. I think that if I had to have these conversations over and over when it had just happened, I would be unwell.

I, you could ask my family and friends.

I basically just kept saying, I don't want to talk about it.

I don't want to talk about it. Even now they keep asking me questions like normal questions.

“What was it like in the pods or how did you do this?”

And I'm like, you guys, this was a year ago. And they're like, yeah, we know, but you wouldn't tell us. Yeah. I'm going to just shut it down. I'm finally ready to talk about this.

So when you go into the pods on the show, how do you decide who, is it like you do a speed around where you talk to everybody? And then you say, OK, I like to these people exactly. So how many do you choose? The first round. It totally depends on the cast.

But we had a rather large cast. There was 16 women and 16 men. So the first day was 16 dates. I think around nine minutes each, something like that. You can tell pretty quick.

Oh, girl. I was, I was so overwhelmed. But it is. You can kind of tell like, is there chemistry or not? And, you know, for certain people, they're like obvious dealbreakers.

And if you just get those out of the way, it kind of makes it easy just to sort through. Because how else do you figure out these are 16 human beings on that side? Yeah. How are you supposed to figure out if they're a good person, a good match for you in just a few minutes?

But it's easier than you think. Yeah. Did you have a list of questions that you just went in being like, I'm asked, like, that were dealbreakers, you know? Is that how you did it?

I really only had one major deal breaker, but it made it very easy for me to kind of filter through. I just politics honestly. I just, I feel really, really strongly about human rights and, you know, I think being in healthcare in particular and being exposed to such a wide variety of people,

that becomes so important to us. And we see, I think, after effects of if people aren't treated fairly and equally. And so it's something I feel so, so strongly about. And I knew that while I can have a respectful conversation with anyone about anything, if you're going to be sleeping in my bed next to me,

I want to make sure that these things that are the most important to me are also important to you.

Yeah. Very, very true. Okay, wait. So you were one of the couples that did get engaged. There was a record breaking number of you this season.

I'm sorry. So many that one didn't even make it. I don't know if the address is on the reunion. So pardon me if this is repeated information for anybody watching. But why did you all go to Mexico and Vic and Christine go to Malbu?

So they do talk about it a little bit earlier. I don't know what I'm allowed to say about that. But we all, I mean, we all, we're like, they're just taking to the chapel right now. Like, they're both actual saints. What you see on the show is that.

Oh my gosh, I just know and Christine and it's funny because Christine and I are so different. She's a very quiet. She really kept herself. She was journaling a lot. I never shut up.

And I was like, I don't think she's like, I don't think I'm her company. But then over time, we got so, so, so close.

But two minutes of talking to Vic. And it's just, we all, like, we all knew that the house has been. It was wild. It was wild. It was wild.

They are the kindest, sweetest, most amazing, most in love people. Oh, I love them so much.

“That makes me so happy because, like, honestly, it was them and Jordan and Amber that I was like,”

if they don't say yes at the altar, like, I'm going to be devastated. I know. The way that it all panned out for me was as a viewer. As of you are except for you. I mean, your story was, yeah.

To be honest, I never liked him.

Well, thank God. Thank God. You know what I mean? I've said that about so many things in my life where I really thought I wanted this thing, whatever it was.

And it didn't work out or blew up in my face. And in this scenario, it couldn't have happened with good enough. I just, I, I needed to know what was going on. So that I could get the whole out of there. And that's what happened.

So I'm, I'm very, very grateful that I guess he showed his personality quickly. Can I get your honest, genuine reaction of when the doors open and you all saw each other for the first time? Like, did he have was he anything that you were expecting physically? I had no clue. Yeah, you tried to not even like, yeah.

“And it's funny because I think that's so different from person to person.”

A lot of people were like, I just think he's tall or I think this or I'm envisioning this. I couldn't see anything.

I just saw like the blob light that was on the wall.

I really, really wasn't sure what to expect. But I also, I think I say this at some point on the show. But if I am taken by someone and I care about them and I love them, I think they're beautiful. Right.

You know, whether that's romantically or not. And if I think that they're disgusting, as far as who they are as a human being, they can be the hottest person in the world, I'm going to think they're disgusting. Yes. So I knew no matter what this person looked like,

I was going to be excited because of how I felt at the time. Yeah. I feel like I'm the same way. Well, I think there's something and not to describe it, men. But I don't have that same thing.

I don't have that. Yeah. I feel like women, I genuinely feel like someone can be the hottest person in the room. And if they open their mouth, and it's just not intelligent or kind or or fun. If it's bad, I'm immediately turned off.

Yeah. And I don't know that men have that same filter. I agree. Eastern can chime in a few months. Eastern's one of the good ones.

So we don't.

“I was going to say, I think it's very rare.”

I have definitely found men that are like that. Yeah. And it's refreshing. I have found women that are on the other end of a spectrum too. It's just, but in general, I think that it's so deep.

It's so deeply rooted for me that it doesn't. It's, it's going to overcome everything else. Yeah. Yeah. For better or for worse.

[MUSIC] Hey, ambitious. Well intention, ferocious, and wealthy mother looks like in the black community. This woman's history month. The podcast.

Kee did pause this sweetie. Celebrates the power of women choosing healing, purpose, and faith, even when life gets messy. Love is not a destination. You have to work on it every day.

Kee did pause this sweetie. Create space for honest conversations on self-worth, love, growth, and navigating life with grace and great led by women who have lived inspire and tell the truth that loud. I have several conversations with God.

And I know why it took 20 years. So here they send more. Listen to Kee did pause this sweetie. On the I'd Heart Radio App, Apple Podcast. Or wherever you get your podcast.

Almost 30 years together, four kids, and some of reality TV's most unforgettable moments. We now a thing or two about living life out loud. We're taking you behind the scenes in our new podcast between us. With me, Heather Dubrow. And me, Terry Dubrow.

But between us isn't about perfect lighting or curated Instagram grids. It's the unfiltered behind closed doors conversations. You wish you could even drop on equal parts, smart, funny, and a little bit scandalous. Every week, Heather will bring you an unapologetic take on the headlines, the trends, and the cultural moments everyone's texting about.

And Terry will deliver insider beauty, health, and wellness insights you won't find on TikTok. Together, we'll tell the stories, spill the secrets, and share the hacks that keep life, marriage, and everything in between feeling fresh, and fun. We may live in a gated community, but there's zero gatekeeping here. And plenty of, did they just say that moments?

Listen to between us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the thing I'm speaking with more artists,

Once you've established that you have the talent, it's about the hang. It's the pleasure of hanging out with the people that you're with.

Robin, I was always a great hang. We would sit in kibits for hours, and then eventually get around to the music.

“That's what I mostly think of when I think of him, the time together, laughing.”

Lawyer, Robbie Kaplan. The great gift of being a lawyer is the ability to actually change things in our society, in a way that very few people can. You can really make a difference to causes, and I say to if you bring the right case at the right time. Marriage equality?

When's there's the perfect example? And journalist Chris Wipple. Every White House staffer, they work in a bubble called the West Wing, and it's exponentially more so in the Trump White House. Listen to the new season.

Of here's the thing on the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the adventures of curiosity, co-podcasts, what is the right fit? Is it what everyone expects? Is it what the right fit? Alex Moore's movement, confidence, and belonging.

And learns that not all strength looks the same. Tennis is powerful. Fast, focused, and kind of fun. Strong, swing, Ella. This women's history month story introduces kids to women who change sports by trusting themselves

and moving differently. A thoughtful episode about identity, courage, and helping kids discover where they truly belong. So it's okay if I'm not quite sure what my thing is yet. It's absolutely okay. When, and if you do find a sport you love, you may be the next virtue, Tony, or Venus.

At curiosity. Listen to adventures of curiosity, cove every Monday from the Black Effect podcast network. On the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So, y'all go to Mexico. It feels like things are on the up and up.

We're watching people fall in love. To left and right. Were there anything? I mean, obviously you're watching. Now that you've watched it, are you like, oh, they didn't show that conversation.

That didn't happen. And it was like a prelude into the conversation. There was nothing. There was nothing that I saw. Again, I was very, you know, rose-colored glasses.

This is great. Everyone's so happy. Everything's great. We're in Mexico. We're engaged.

Yeah. I thought things were good.

“I think that no matter what, there's a level of, not necessarily discomfort.”

But this is a relative stranger.

You've never spent time with them.

And then it's like, okay, go share a hotel room. And of course, that's a little weird. But it seemed like given the circumstances. Everything was pretty normal, I guess. Yeah.

Okay. And so you go, it's just like, I'm trying to be, like, I want to be kind because I want to believe that this guy, he said what he said, and there's no excuse. But like, I do feel like there was a lot of editing that like, that made him look really bad. Like, it just like snowballed for him. And so I'm sure that's legit.

He made some decisions. No, I know. I know. But he did apologize to you. Yeah.

Yes, we know that. Yeah. And you forgave him. Um. I don't think I ever said I forgive you.

Okay. Okay. I think that is essentially the night after the mixer. And to be very clear, I had no clue how horrible the things that he said at the mixer were. I only knew what he sent to me.

The things that he said at the bar to that group of women. I nobody told me that. I had no clue when I set down, you know, we see the episodes at the same time you do. And when I sat down to watch that, I had no idea that any of that was said. I knew it was going to be uncomfortable to watch, but I had no clue how bad it was.

Um, so the next day he called me spiraling and kind of was like, you know,

clearly, I messed up and he was panicking and I basically said, you know, I'll talk to you for a few minutes,

but I'm not going to talk to you again after this. And also if you're looking to feel better, I'm not going to be the person to do that right now. And he still went out of a conversation then flying. And so we did. But again, I think that was more, oh my gosh, what did I do rather than feeling bad about what he said about.

“Right. That's what I'm like, I feel like the apology and everything is because of like the public backlash versus like I'm genuinely.”

Sorry that I'm sorry that I said, yeah, that I treated you that way. Yeah.

which I appreciate and agree with.

“It's just, it is what it is. He said what you said.”

No, because like at the end of the day, like the way he said it was just like I actually can't believe those words came out of somebody's mouth. That's how I felt. You know, like just to talk about another human that way. Yeah. Regardless of who it is.

Yeah. We just really rose to me. Yes. So in the conversation that you had with him or your own the couch.

As he's saying it, are you think, I always want to know because I don't know how much you can say,

but there's obviously people in the room filming. Right. Right. I forget about that. And you have a camera person, probably a producer.

There's people.

“Were you just looking around like, is this really happening?”

Were you making eye contact with people? Like what you were just like, I was blocked in. It was very early in that conversation that I knew I was out. Oh, like what part? As soon as he started saying like offensive things about my body.

Right. Yeah. I knew that there was no way that I was going to spend high with this person again in period. And so I was trying my best to just for myself, stay calm, get through the conversation and get out of there. Yeah.

Honestly, I'm really proud of like the way you handled it because you didn't last show. You didn't like give it back and you also just like cut it off quickly. Whereas I feel like, you know, maybe some other people would have been like, well, maybe we can work on this. You know, like, we're engaged, like, let's turn, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like you were just like, no, I'm out.

And you didn't go down to his level, which I thought was very high of you. We've all been there. I'm just having to be older and have been through enough situations where I know that at the end of the day, I want to be able to look myself in the mirror and go to bed at night, knowing that I handle things the way that I wanted to.

And I'm never going to feel bad about what I did about it.

I can't control what anybody else does. But having been through some tough experiences, you recognize that it's so much better to just. Take it and try and move along. Understand who this person is and move accordingly, but don't allow them to. Make you feel some sort of way about yourself.

How did you do that, though, because I think, like, you know, take yourself out of love as blind. Take yourself out of that situation. Like, there are people that are listening that are dealing with, like, bullies online or people commenting on their body, or, you know, like, things like that. And it does.

It's hard to, like, you know, like you said, just kind of, like, shut it down and not let it affect you. How did you do that in this situation? I think it's going to affect you, no matter what. Unfortunately, I would love to say that there's, like, something trick to get rid of that.

“But I think the most important thing is having such a strong sense of self that you know that that person is wrong, regardless of what they say.”

And everybody's entitled to their opinion, absolutely. It's sometimes it's just mean and unnecessary. And I think in almost every one of those circumstances, that's a reflection of somebody's own insecurities are unhappiness. And so to try to remind yourself of that, and also, like I said, if you know the sky is blue, the sky is blue. It doesn't matter if somebody else tells you that it's orange.

So you have to be so sure of who you are and so proud of who you are that it makes it a little bit easier to say. You can say whatever you want. I know that that's wrong. I know who I am. Did you say a video of this girl?

I'm sure you've seen many TikToks made about the situation. Have you watched anything? I have. I don't. I try not to watch anything like outside of my own like all look at my own like comments on my own pictures and things like that. But I also have like a text thread called Team Jess of all my like family and close friends.

And I basically say, if you see something funny or cute or like nice, you can send it here so that I can see it. But if it's mean, I don't want to know this is nice. This girl said that and it was the first time I've heard of this but she said it the party after that conversation. Also how well is the timeframe from the conversation to when you saw him again at the like mixer thing eight days. Oh wow.

Oh wow. I thought it was like the next day. Okay, so eight days and you're hot and spoken. Okay. This girl said that you did something called gray rocking.

Have you heard of this? You didn't see this video. That's like a psych term isn't it?

I was going to say I've heard of it, but I never heard of it, but she was saying you did it.

I don't know if she intentionally did it, but we're really not. It's like the way you disarm a narcissist. Oh, and so and I don't know if Chris I'm not diagnosing Chris.

Yeah, because you went into it and you didn't give him any reaction. You didn't act in rage and you didn't act sad. You didn't give him anything. And so he kept trying to like to get you to react and you want to do it.

And I was like, I don't know if you knew that you were doing it, but that was amazing.

“And it made me go like, oh my gosh, that's how you handle people like that.”

You don't do anything. And I don't know. Were you sober that night? Did you freeze? I think I did have a coke in my in my goblet.

I think I did a shot. But you had like one drink. Yeah, I certainly wasn't anywhere in your head. Yeah, yeah. And people were just like, it was amazing.

Like the praise of like that. Those choices because like you being able to almost just like shut him down was the most powerful thing that you could do. It's especially in that moment because he was spiraling. Obviously intoxicated and he's saying all these horrible things to the other girls. And guys, and you were just like, what do you want?

Like I don't, I'm not here to give you anything. So like why do you need to talk to me? It was amazing. Great. Well, and I think over time, we recognize like how precious our energy is. Yeah.

And even in that first conversation on the couch, I mean, I am very protective of that.

And my immediate thought was he doesn't get any of this. You doesn't get any of this, whether it's positive, whether it's negative.

“I think that he would have felt better if I had yelled and screamed and cried and gone crazy.”

Yeah. And I wasn't going to give him that satisfaction. Did you ever have a conversation with Bree after that? Yeah. Bree and I see that, right?

No. Bree and all the girls and I have hung out multiple times throughout the year. And I think after that whole thing aired, she felt that about kind of how she, showed up. Yeah.

Because I feel like, at the end, she ended up ultimately like shutting it down, like shutting him down. But there were parts where I feel like she was kind of giving him a little bit. Why are you letting him talk so much? Yeah.

And so I was like, I was curious if she had a conversation with you about that. I really apologize in any way. She did reach out to me. And essentially said, you know, I wish I had shown up differently. We're trying to appreciate it.

Yeah. So, and we obviously have seen each other many times. And since then, we'll all see you in a couple of days. So we have another event here in a couple of days in climate. So, okay.

You go on the show. Love is blind. You are this success. Also, just wait, wait one second. Okay.

The thing that just made me so mad. I love y'all about this man is that he went on a show called Love is blind. I know. And said what he said. And I'm like the audacity.

I can't help it. I mean, I mean, I don't think we've ever, and I could be wrong. I've seen, like, somebody say what he said. I understand, like, maybe, you know, the chemistry might not be there after a while. Like having those conversations with somebody, but like, literally saying, I go for someone that does Pilates every day.

Like, wrong show. Like, wrong show. Like, wrong show. Like wrong. There's so many dating shows out there.

Dune. He got us. Or maybe just stay distance or castes. Or like, go on a dating out where you can see what you're getting. Like, I don't know.

Okay. I don't know. Great. Yeah. Show on MTV.

Like, forever. Go next. No. That show is so vicious. I love watching it.

I love watching it. Like, go on there. Like, there's no love. Whatever. I love his.

I just thought I was saying that. I know. I know. So you go on the show and you have a year and everyone's like, what happened? Tell us everything and you're like, I don't want to talk about it.

Are you kidding? Right.

“You have to like, well, so for everyone else, I just couldn't talk about it.”

But like, may immediate family and my best friends who knew what I had done. Would they had so many questions? And I'm very, I'm type A. I'm in healthcare. I'm the eldest daughter.

I am very, I'm going to take care of my own shit. I'm going to keep going. I'm going to figure this out. I have a little bit of trouble asking her health for sure, which I'm sure both of you can relate to. But a lot of times, how I deal with that in the moment is I don't want to, I don't want to get into it.

I don't want to start crying. I don't want to deal with any of this. Especially when I know, I knew so quickly and so clearly that like, this is not for me. This is not an issue. I'm going to deal with how I feel about it.

But there was never ever a millisecond where I was like, oh, like, I'm so sad about him.

And I made it a lot easier.

Yeah.

“Did you have other connections in the pods where you were like, after after you had that conversation that you were like,”

"Ding it, like I wish I had gone in a different direction." Well, yes. I had a very, very strong connection in the pods really early on. And I was very sure of it. I typically am very logical, very methodical, very act-based, reasonable.

And this was not that. This was like lightning bowl. Oh, my god, who is this person. I came out of the pods and said to Ashley, I ran over to Ashley and said, "My life just changed.

I don't know what it means, but literally having a conversation with this me and my life just changed." And you left. Why? Why? Why do you leave?

It was not, I will say. This experience is really, really hard. Being in a pressure cooker these long days dating multiple people. Yes, sounds exhausting. Well, and for a lot of people who do the apps and do these things all the time.

Like, it's a little bit easier. I'm not really a data very much.

He, like, never dated prior to this.

Um, for a long time, he really didn't date. And he was super uncomfortable dating multiple people. He wasn't sure if he, if it was for him. And we had this deep deep connection. Again, like I said, I didn't even know if it was romantic or not at the time.

Because it was so, I've never been able to be so vulnerable and talk to a man the way that I spoke with him so quickly.

“And when I think of having those conversations, I think of having them with my sister.”

My sister, my best friends. These really, really close, safe people. And so, I was like, is this my best friend forever? Is this the love of my life? I don't know.

Yeah. It was the time frame of y'all having your conversation and then him leaving. Like, what was the time frame? A couple days. So again, a lot changes in a couple days.

But we essentially had these conversations, we had multiple dates. Of course, this happens, you know, every day you have all of these dates. And I felt very confident about him and walked in the room for our next date. And I could just tell something was, I was like, he's uncomfortable. Either he feels like he needs to break up with me and he's panicking about it.

He feels like he, you know, wants to be with somebody else. He doesn't want to be here. Something. And my immediate gut reaction was to kind of give him an out. And to say, look, I, like, I know how I feel about you. I know how deep this connection is.

I don't know if that's romantic. It doesn't have to be, you know, this could mean we're just really good friends. I don't know. And I kind of could feel this like exhale of relief.

“And I think that I think that he was really, really scared to hurt anyone, or to continue on with the process.”

He's an incredibly incredibly kind emotionally intelligent man. And I think that he was really struggling with how to move forward, honestly. So did he say I'm leaving? Did he say bye to you? He did.

He didn't. Okay. The producer told you. He just wasn't there the next day. But did you didn't know if, because does it work in the sense of like, if you walk in and someone's not there the next day?

Do you, do you assume, oh, they didn't want to talk to me? So kind of. Okay. But we had a conversation like we're going to be friends. And one of the one of my favorite parts of the pods was this, I don't know if you guys got to see any silent disco.

But they gave us headphones and we would get to listen to each other's playlists. Oh, that's fun. Which when you're like completely taken away from your phone, computer everything for several days. Just listening to some of your favorite songs is this like huge emotional cathartic thing. And so it was a pretty long day because it was kind of well into the process at this point.

And we said, like, let's just listen to our songs. And it was the best day. We had so much fun. And then kind of left it at that. Like, we're going to be friends and that's that.

And I, he would have never known that I was kind of devastated at the time.

Because again, I could tell he was like, not good. And I wanted to be sure he was okay. And so I wanted to be able to say, like, we can be friends. Of course we can. You're wonderful.

And just kind of leave it on a happy note.

Yeah, you want to be here. Yeah.

“And you announced on the reunion that he is your boyfriend.”

Yes. His name is Herema. Parmal. Parmal like caramel. So he was in the potty left.

And then when did you guys rekindle? He massaged me shortly after I came back. But my mindset then at that point was, this is my buddy. That's my bro. We'll hang out.

We'll talk about work. Whatever we're both in medicine.

So I never thought anything about the fact that he ought to be so much.

I just was like, yeah, we already decided we were going to be friends. Of course you're messaging. That's not where his mindset was at. But I didn't know that for a very long time. Well, also he was like, really thought he was putting that effort out there.

And you were like, this guy is friends. Yes. He thought he was dropping hands left at first of all. I'm oblivious. Like, that we'll put that up there right away.

I'm going to take my 90% on that. But I don't think he recognized that I assumed he was not romantically interested in me when things ended in the pots. Oh. When I said, we can be friends. It was because I thought that he just wanted to be friends.

And so I thought we were on the same page. And we could be totally cool and fine. Was I avoiding seeing him a little bit? Maybe because my feelings were a little bit complicated probably.

“Did it take us several several months to actually hang out?”

Yes. Oh, wow. So how long has it been since y'all established that you were both romantically interested? Maybe like four or five months. Okay.

You've been together for like four or five months. Close. Well, there was a lot of back and forth at the beginning. And I was very nervous. So, three to four, let's say three to four months.

Something. He was there with you to watch the season. We watched some of it together. Okay.

The very beginning, like the first six episodes that dropped,

since we're in a different time zone. They dropped it three a.m. And so a few of the girls came over to my house. And we all scuttleed on my couch and what binge did it from three a.m. Well, he was doing a 24 hour shift at the hospital.

We came over right after. Hey, ambitious.

“Well intention, ferocious, and wealthy mother looks like in the black community.”

This one is history month. The podcast, "Keitat Posit Sweetie," celebrates the power of women choosing healing, purpose, and faith, even when life gets messy. Love is not a destination.

You have to work on it every day. Food Posit Sweetie creates space for honest conversations on self-worth, love, growth, and navigating life with grace and great, led by women who have lived inspire and tell the truth out loud.

I have several conversations with God,

and I know why it's a 20 years. So here these in more, listen to "Keitat Posit Sweetie" on the I'd-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Almost 30 years together, four kids

and some of reality TV's most unforgettable moments. We know a thing or two about living life out loud. We're taking you behind the scenes in our new podcast between us, with me, Heather Dubrow. And me, Terry Dubrow.

Between us isn't about perfect lighting or curated Instagram grids. It's the unfiltered behind closed doors, conversations you wish you could eavesdrop on. Equal parts, smart, funny, and a little bit scandalous. Every week, Heather will bring you an unapologetic take on the headlines,

the trends, and the cultural moments everyone's texting about. And Terry will deliver insider beauty, health, and wellness insights you won't find on TikTok. Together, we'll tell the stories, spill the secrets, and share the hacks that keep life, marriage, and everything in between feeling fresh, and fun. We may live in a gated community, but there's zero gatekeeping here.

And plenty of, did they just say that moments? Listen to "Between Us" on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or whatever you get your podcasts. On the adventures of Curiosity Co. podcasts, what if the right fit isn't what everyone expects?

In the case of the right fit, L. Explore's movement, confidence, and belonging, and learns that not all strength looks the same. Tennis is powerful. Fast, focused, and kind of fun.

Strong, swing, Ella. This women's history, month story, introduces kids to women who change sports by trusting themselves, and moving differently. A thoughtful episode about identity, courage,

and helping kids discover where they truly belong. So it's okay if I'm not quite sure what my thing is yet. It's absolutely okay. When, and if you do find a sport you love,

At Curiosity Co. Listen to "Adventures of Curiosity Co. Every Monday from the Black Effect podcast network. When I Heart Radio App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts."

Hi, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast,

here's the thing I'm speaking with more artists,

policymakers, and performers, that compose a Mark Shaman. Once you've established that you have the talent, it's about the hang. It's the pleasure of hanging out with the people

that you're with. Robin Eye was always a great hang. We would sit in quibbits for hours, and then eventually get around to the music.

“That's what I mostly think of when I think of him,”

the time together, laughing. Lawyer, Robbie Kaplan. The great gift of being a lawyer is the ability to actually change things in our society in a way that very few people can.

And you can really make a difference to causes, and I say it's if you bring the right case at the right time in your brain. Yeah, when there's the perfect example. And journalist Chris Whipple.

Every White House staffer, they work in a bubble called the West Wing. And it's exponentially more so in the Trump White House. Listen to the new season.

Up here's the thing on the iHeart Radio app,

or wherever you get your podcasts. I wanted to do like a quick rapid fire of just like your knee jerk reactions to the couples that got engaged on the season. We're to get Christina Christina.

Yeah, we're gonna get Christina. Yeah, we're gonna get Christina. The ship forever. Amazing. Please adopt me. I want to be adopted.

I want to be adopted. I want to be an Amber in Jordan. They're well so far. I love them so much. Like do we see?

Is it? We see them for who they are. I think so. Okay.

“I think they're both really honest open people.”

I was obsessed with them this season. They're the best. That's so much fun. Bre and Connor. Bre and Connor.

They're very different. But I think that they make it work for each other. I have spent less time with them as a couple. I think I think I've seen them more individually. Do you think that they'll get married at some point?

I don't know. I don't know. I based on like the most recent conversations at the reunion. I think so.

I think that's the plan. I like that. I didn't think that. I felt they broke up. Me too.

We too. But I'm happy I actually really loved him for her. I did too, but I needed her to get there. I needed her to love him. For how you liked her.

I think she, I think she just needed to have that like revelation on her own. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Okay.

I don't know how close you are with Bre and me. But I wanted to reach the TV. I know like. You know, I love having the opportunity to talk about this because she was fed a totally different story than any of us see.

I mean, and you can tell in the last episode. Yeah. 100%. I said. There.

He is so clearly. They clearly have said they're still. He kept saying the crazy kept saying her. We're not going backwards. We're not going backwards.

That means you're still engaged. Yeah. I think anybody would think that. But then he would go to the camera and say. Crazy.

Yeah. He was my son. I was like. Which is bullshit. By the way, it is absolutely.

No. I was like, she got such a dirty edit. The way they, the way that specific scene went down was very dirty. It was just nasty. And she, it was, it broke, I broke my heart for her.

Because she was just in it. She was doing, she was doing what I was doing. She was there for the right reason. Yeah. But she believed this man.

Because I can't even say she thought it was this way. He was telling her it was that way. Right. And telling everyone else something else. So it's just, it's just gross to me.

Well, there was that scene where she was like, I know you're not going to gush over me. You're telling me I'm pretty. And he was like, yeah. Yeah.

No, we're all. You did it. You deserve a gush. Like, let's go. Yes.

And she does. She deserves everything. And I know she'll fight that. There's some revelations about him on the right hand. Okay.

Good. Good. Emma and Mike. I love Emma. Emma's by like sweet baby angel.

And Mike is totally cool. Like, it's, I'm not saying that because I don't love Mike. But Emma's like, my little sister slash my child.

I always say by logically technically she could probably be my child.

So I'm wise.

“But I think that they both were really trying to do the right.”

I think that with the hurdles that were there. It was not, it was not going to be right for them to be together.

It's wonderful to watch on. It was, but it was a hurdle that they both knew was going to be a hurdle. Yeah.

They always say like the red, the red flags from the beginning.

Or like what happens at the beginning is always what happens at the end. And they both, they never got to the same page even in the right. It was like, I want a child. I don't, I don't think I want a kid. I always see that.

I get there in a quick three weeks. So like, yeah, let's see that. So anybody that's like, oh, for Mike. You knew that. Yeah.

I'm afraid we don't go back for, either of them. I think they both tried. They both really tried. They put themselves in a position to see maybe maybe things can change with the right person. Exactly.

Last but not least. Ashley and Alex. Oh, god love. Um. I like Ashley.

[laughter] I'm a period. Yeah. Fair.

“Did everyone have the collective feeling towards Alex that like, as viewers we did?”

I think so. But I think all the girls that like, did you have any moments where you talk to him in the

past and like to move aside from the first day or was that one conversation and done?

Yeah. I don't remember if we had more than one day. But it was very, I knew that we weren't a match. Yeah. Yeah.

That was another painful one. Ashley. Okay. We had the best time talking with Jessica and we actually had the chance to talk with Jessica and her new boyfriend, Harmon.

But you're going to hear that conversation on Monday. You can't air it until Monday. So you will be getting that after our normal podcast on Monday. But thank you so much. We love you and talk to you next week.

Bye. [music] I'm Monster. And I'm Miranda Stewart.

And our podcast game recognized game has never been done before.

Back in players giving you a real look at our lives and what we actually think on and off the court. Nothing's off lips. We talked tanking.

“I'm not going to trouble for this answer, but I think it's like definitely happening”

and they definitely agree. We talked about on mistakes too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey man, we got a call last time. And you can't be rolled around the city like this tonight before games. Check out game recognized game with student miles on the iHeart Radio app, Apple

Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. On the adventures of curiosity co podcast, what is the right fit? Isn't what everyone expects? In the case of the right fit, Ella explores movement, confidence and belonging. And learns that not all strength looks the same.

This women's history month story introduces kids to women who change sports by trusting themselves and moving differently. Listen to adventures of curiosity cove every Monday from the black effect podcast network on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's me Anna Sinfield, the host of The Girl Friends.

I'm back with more one of interviews with some truly kick ass women on The Girl Friends Spotlight. I'm going to climb it. It's badness, hereditary. Let's see how we can stop keeling.

I'm not too intimidated by her. What are you talking about? Listen to The Girl Friends Spotlight on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Danielle Robe, host of Bookmark to the podcast by Reese's Book Club.

And this week on Bookmark, we're basically hosting The Ultimate Girls Night. Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Garner, Judy Greer, Rita Wilson and Gary Rice and author Laura Dave. These are the women behind season two of The Apple TV series The Last Thing He Cold Me. We're talking about turning a book into a hit show and what it really takes to bring a story to life.

“The most important metric for me is do I want to share this book with somebody?”

That's what creates community and that's the main thesis of our book club and why we started it was just to connect people together. Listen to the bookmark by Reese's Book Club podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast. Karyn T. Human.