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Hello everybody! We are scrubbing in from Bahama in the Bahamas. Do we sound better today?

“Do we sound like we got more than two hours of sleep?”

Yes, we do.

But we're really excited to start second day at Bahama.

We're in the brand new podcast studio. The studio at Bahama and we're about to do the ribbon cutting. So we're a little bit getting excited. Beyond excited. But you know I was telling Becca earlier today.

Just like 30 minutes ago. This is really special because I feel like I don't get to spend a lot of quality time with you and Haley. As we get older and we are starting these new seasons of life. We used to spend ice cream to your apartment every single day after work.

Every single day I would go to your apartment and we would spend the whole day together. We lived in the same building but that was just wonderful. That was just wonderful. The next door she wasn't driving anywhere. She wasn't driving anywhere.

That would be crazy. I would never do that. But our lives are so different now. They're going to continue to get different. We're going to go through different seasons.

So these times are not as often but they're so special when we get to have them. It's just been really nice and I feel very grateful. It's been so much fun. Even yesterday the travel and how tired we were. Haley was like I'm having the best time.

And I obviously love you.

We've always done Haley loves you.

“But I think because we're getting so much of you.”

Because when you're on a couple of trips. When you're on a couple of trips. When you're on a couple of trips. When you're on a couple of trips. It's really like without us when this trip you're not going and doing anything by yourself.

Right. So we're getting to have you by yourself, which obviously we miss robbing. We love robbing. But it's been really fun just having the girls and the girls and the girls and the girls. Yeah.

But we had the same. We had the same chat last. It really got me emotional and nostalgic and just kind of like how we're growing up. And how relationships show. How relationships shift in life.

But like, you know, like you're 20s. You're so carefree. And you don't have, you know. I mean, we didn't have significant others. So we were like young and free.

And like now we're in like anything. No, we got ball and chains and more to come.

And they're also beautiful in their own way. But it does like change your relationship. And that I don't know. I just feel like very grateful that we've remained so close. And I don't know.

Me too, telling you. We should do a trip. Like we should do just a trip or like girls. Like even obviously it's kind of complicated sometimes being with a woman. Yeah.

Because every, every trip is a girl's trip. Yeah. Yeah. It's a beauty of every. It's like a slumber party for every or go.

But it is nice to have like the time with you with her. And then I also am like it's so important to have time with you. And just me, you know, and like my friendships.

And even on the way here, second flight.

“Tony and I, I think accidentally were next to each other.”

Yeah. I picked my seat. And I didn't know where you were sitting. So that's just like the stars. Yeah.

And so we had the seat. The best part is because I was checking into the fight. And I was like seven a.m. and I texted back and I'd be like, what cedar you? So I could sit next to her. And I was like, she's not waking up for like three more hours.

So I'm not waiting. I just like got my seat. She doesn't have a seat yet. Yeah. And I didn't.

But Haley was a few rows ahead of us. And Tony was like, do you want me to switch with you? And it was like that moment where I was like, wait. Oh, do I need to switch to the Haley? And I was like, no, like this is in Haley didn't care.

She's like, I'm gonna eat my burger at 9 a.m. Yeah. And yeah, it's just been really fun. I'm not be to be here with you. And you and you.

We're gonna great time here. Yeah. Yeah. Resort based podcast. Did you guys get down to the like beach at all yesterday?

Did you go in the water? No, but you know, we did do yesterday. Which was luxurious and decadent. We got my sauces. We did.

“And let me tell you what a massage does when you're on two hours of sleep.”

They both went to sleep. I was like, what was your massage? And they were like, don't wake me up to flip over. Haley said she woke herself up to my snoring. And the girl told her to hold her snort.

I'm not sleeping to massage. You also can't sleep bent over. I can't sleep. I really can't sleep unless I'm in my bed, basically. Yeah.

But we. I've talked about this on the podcast, but I dropped that mural. My leg. And you saw the bruises. Yeah.

They're pretty gnarly. They're quite intense. And so I'm getting ready for the massage. And I'm like, oh my gosh. If she.

If I, I got a. Oh yeah. I got to let her know. These are off limits. So I showed her.

And she's like, oh, what? She's like, yeah. That was my reaction. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Didn't make me feel better about the appearance of them.

But she had to stay away. But the massage was amazing. Yeah, it was really nice. It was a perfect yesterday. But then we made the decision of going back to the room.

And we all laid down on the bed. And because we had a dinner reservation. And we were texting each other. Like, I don't know how I'm going to get back up. Yeah.

I was like sitting down was a very bad choice. Because. Yeah. But we went to dinner.

And then I realized, you know, I've always felt that Tonia.

Haley is a Tonia. Tonia is a Haley. We are. Yes. It is so crazy.

It was so similar. Like, both of them we went to dinner. And we ate so much. We ordered everything on the menu of the day. I don't think it was that much.

Okay. But like, I felt like a lot. Like, bringing out plates. All things. It's been the last place.

It's been the last place. Yeah. And we all kept eating. Like, no, we'd be like, we're so full.

“And then it's like, oh, can we do the dessert menu?”

You know, there's no stopping. And then both of them after. Oh, is anyone else's stomach hurting? I feel like I ate too much. I ate too much.

I'm like, y'all are living with this same. Like, when I eat too much, it's just, I'm like, oh, man, to myself. I ate too much. But the announcements. Yeah.

Most of the announcements. Until it stops hurting. Which might be never. Yeah. Because they both have got issues.

It is like, sometimes I feel bad for you. Like, when I'm in like one of my moods. And I'm like needing from you. I'm like, oh, I forget that she's in a relationship with me. And that could be very tiring at times.

But I feel like I have a new appreciation for me. I know how to handle both. Like, I feel like I anything you come at me with, I'm prepared. Like, nothing you do. Even when you're pounding or you're acting because I'm not giving enough attention.

I'm like, I know how to deal with this. I don't feel stressed. I'm just like, okay. You know what Tommy does? Okay.

What is Tommy do? I'm thinking about this this morning. Because I naturally, I run late.

I'm always barely giving myself enough time to get to where I need to be.

Tommy will text me as I'm getting ready, right?

She knows she's going to see me, but she'll be, well, that can have a spritz of perfume. And I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, I don't have time to answer to have this conversation. I'm like, prepping you to know that I'm ready. Right.

And it's time to be ready. And it's 10 and she goes, I'm almost ready. And I'm like, great. See you in 15 minutes. Like a plan, plus night.

“I think if our podcast time is 1030, that back.”

It means back and I need to be on the couch starting to record at 1030. I think things 1030 means on our way walking at 1030. No, I said 1015. I know, but we also wanted to get coffee, and I knew there was going to be a line. I knew we were going to be late for the 1030 start.

Right. So I was trying to imagine-- We checked. I was trying to do that. We were respectful before we stopped and got coffee.

Yes. That was true. And it happened.

And I will tell you, I have to fight my type A personality when I'm with you.

Because I'm like, I can't push her too hard. What's the point? Me leaving my room at 10 a.m. I'm suddenly waiting for her down there. But if you last night said, I think we should be ready at 10 a.m.

I would have said, OK, then that's it. So that then I would have planned it at 10 a.m. No, you said, we agreed to 1015. Oh, we did. Yeah.

Well, I'm going to blow you out of the tired. Because I would not have agreed to 1015. But she'll take. I'm almost ready. So then I'm stopping what I'm doing.

Look at my phone.

“It's not something I need or spawned to.”

And it's like, I need to spurred to perfume. I'm like, OK, ask me that when you get here. I don't have need to perfume. And I'm like, it's so funny because when I'm getting ready, I'm in like, I need to be focused. Because if I start texting on to the side, it's going to distract me.

It's going to throw me off. So I noticed you do that. I do do that. I do do that. I'm also very, I can be very passive aggressive.

Yes. Yes. Tony, are you texting while you're getting ready? Is that something you do? Yes.

I know you're ready at this point. But that was ready. The thing is, I wake up. I think I woke up earlier than her. Because I like to, I don't like this.

I don't like the stress of like, I need every minute. I like to know, OK, it takes me like, let's say all in 35 minutes to get ready. 40 minutes max. I give myself a full hour. So I can like get up.

I can take my time on the toilet. I can like text a little on my phone. You know what I mean? I don't like to be so like, to the minute. Because that would stress me out.

Right. So I give myself, I awake earlier on the back end. I can't get over it, right? Well, two types of people in the world. Yeah.

Yeah. And we are them. Yeah. We represent two of them. I can do it like when I get ready for work.

Like if I wanted to, I could wake up probably half an hour after my alarm. But I don't like to have that rush in the morning. I like to like drink my bone broth. I like to write my letters. I like to step on my vibration plate if I can.

Yeah. This is introducing a bigger thing that we don't have to get into. Have we had the ADHD conversation?

“Oh, I think we haven't, but I myself have had it with myself.”

Because I don't see a lot of the symptoms in you, but also that's me. Maybe. Now, but like, that's a thing that people who have this is like, they, if there's like a deadline and it's coming up, that's when they work the best, you know?

Like like, yeah. And I'm kind of that way. Yeah. And the ADHD. I, I, that remains to be seen.

Oh, okay. Yeah. As of now, let's see what happens later. But um, I don't know. I was just, I was thinking about that with you because like,

I know that, because you, you always get here.

You, I mean, you look amazing. Like, you always get here. You always get here. But does she get here on time? Not super late.

I mean, not late. I was like 10 minutes. Right. And with the, like, you always say, time every week.

And then they don't understand. Oh, look at my mind. I have like 11. 55. And you're still, you're in the studio.

Yes. But you know what nothing enriches me more than when I make the effort to be there right at 12 and I walk into y'all in a meeting. So I purposely am never there at 12 because I load walking in and then having everyone stairs at you.

It's the worst feeling. I understand completely. Thank you. And I would do the same thing. But yeah.

I think there might be a 10 to baby HD. Just some, I have some of the, the thing, the tendencies of like, knowing my time and then pushing it. And then the other thing I noticed from the story is the, oh, God, there's a name for this executive function or something.

But like, being, you're getting ready. You're seeing the text from tiny coming in. I can't switch easily from one to the other. If I, if I go texture, I'm going to start scrolling or something like that. That's interesting.

But I also, I have the thing, which I hear people that have ADHD. That this is the thing where a notification or like a text on their phone can just or email that you need a respond to can like overwhelm you.

Like logically, I'm like, I just respond to the email or I just respond to the text.

But for whatever reason.

“That's why I think that's also a reason by when you text me bait.”

Like just like, how are you feeling or things like that? And it's not something that I'm like immediately, meaning to respond to that I just shut it off. And then you feel like north. Nothing.

And it raises me more. So like, this is like therapy session for back. And it's this cultural therapy. Yeah. We're on at the Bahamas in a couple of circles.

Nothing. And rage is me more than when I'm being a attentive, wonderful friend when my friend is sick. And I'm checking on her daily. Like, I'm like her mother. Hey, how are you feeling today, honey?

Like every morning checking in. I will wait hours for response. And then I'm in three other group chats with her, and she's pink, pink, pink, and all along in the group chat. ♪ Yeah, we're gonna be on the top of the line ♪

- How are you feeling has left, been left on red for five hours? And she's yapping away in the group chats, nothing infuriates me more. - I don't like to, like even when I was sick at home growing up, when my mom would check on me and ask me how I was feeling,

it made me feel like, it's just like, not great. I don't know, I'm just like not great. I don't need to be checked on when I'm sick.

“But here's the thing, I appreciate this sentiment of it”

because it makes me feel loved that you care, but I don't wanna feel inclined to respond, especially when I'm not feeling well. And if it's a group chat and it's like fun and like light, and I'm not having to talk about how I feel,

that's why I-- - It seems like if the group chat was, how are you feeling? (laughing) - If you text her and said, how was weathering heights? You would get a response.

- But that's so frivolous, I don't care about that. She's ill, I wanna make sure she's feeling better on the mend, on the up and up. - Yeah, I don't know what the solution for this is, really. - Yeah, it's interesting because,

but it's interesting that you say you don't care about me asking, so that's like a good note for me. I can take that and run with it because after my surgery, I'm also like you, I don't need anybody checking it on me. After my surgery,

I will Sophia was the most on me friend that I could have ever asked for. And I loved it so much. It made me feel-- - Oh, you loved it.

- I loved it and I was like, I like cried to her because I was like the way that you handled this situation.

I've never felt like more loved or cared for in her friendship.

And I was like, and I feel like I've never been this good of a friend to you or to her. Like I said, I was saying this to her. Like, I haven't been that good of a friend to you, like you've been to me and so it made me wanna be like that.

- Oh, wow. - For all my friends. - And so even when you were sick, I'm like, I'm gonna do this Sophia thing and like check it out. - Oh, check it out.

- So, yeah. - I'm gonna be Sophia. - I don't want to be Sophia. - Yes. - So I can be more, I can be more the way that you were to me

and you can be less the way you were to me. - Yes, yes. - 'Cause if you just, I like distraction. So if you're like, oh my gosh, blah, blah, blah happened at work or whatever it is, I like the tea, like distract me.

- Okay. - I mean, it's like knowing each other's love language.

“But to what degree of Sophia do you need to be each other?”

- I love that Sophia's art. - I mean, I'm not even kidding. - I'm not even kidding. She is. And I'm not even kidding.

It was so crazy, like I, and like it's so weird because I have Robbie and he's so attentive and so wonderful and like I'm so grateful to have people around me that like take care of me and I don't need, you know what I was like,

I didn't need anybody checking in but just the way she was checking in and like the way she handled the whole situation made me feel like I haven't been like that. So like my friends and it made me want to like step up

and be better. - I'll get some notes for her, see what she did. I feel like what was your, what was your second? - I'm not, I didn't feel slide in. - I didn't feel a method.

- I'm telling you, I didn't feel slide in or I didn't feel like any of my friends weren't there for me at all but it was just this like, it was like a five star, like like star was like just giving. - But like realizing myself.

- Yeah, what makes you feel loved and cared for. - Yeah. - It's such an interesting thing to learn about yourself. - To at 38. - Yeah.

- It's never too late.

- I also never, and I've also never been that vulnerable.

Like I've never had surgery. I've never, you know what I think I've never been like. - It was your first time going through something like that. - Anything like that. - Yeah.

- Good to know, it's good information for both of us. - Yeah, it is good. - Something I'm really needing from Tanya on this trip and she's refusing to do it. That we're gonna talk about when we come back.

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(dramatic music) - All right, we are back. - We're back. - We are back. - I don't know if you were in Becca's safe,

but we're back. - We are at the brand new podcast studio at Bahamá, celebrating the brand opening. We are here, we just had couples therapy. (laughing)

- With Houston, everything's in our therapist. - And it's a progress. - Yeah, it's feeling good.

- Okay, so first of all, we mentioned,

but this resort has endless activities. There's pools everywhere, there's a water park. And I have this vision of watching both Haley and Tonya go down the slide at some point. - Yes.

- And I'm begging for them to do it because I just know the content is gonna give in Mac. And both of them are saying they don't, Haley's a little more willing, but Tonya's like, hmm, she's pooping it.

- Really? - What's your reservation? - Two, but you're not letting my down to my screen. (laughing) - I'm trying to stay away from plastic.

(laughing) - No, I feel like I'm gonna get some sort of like rash on my butt cheek and you're in a tube. - Oh, oh, I want a floaty? - Yeah, I'm gonna take it.

- Oh, no, I don't need to do this straight down. - Oh, I thought you wanted me to do that one. - No, like my ass is on the tube. - No, or my ass is on the slide. - I don't like that one either.

- And I was like, I could see myself coming out with like scratches and like no,

water rushes up your body and like the last thing I need is you having like a UTI because I forced you to do it on the slide. But the tube, one, you get in a tube and you go down and you like kind of go like slide side to side

and then you go down like a drain. - Oh, okay. - I think. - I could do the tube. - Okay.

- Would you do a double tube with Haley? - Yes. (laughing) - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Okay, okay.

- Yeah, there's a layer between me and the plastic. - I need this, so fingers crossed, I can get what I need. But we're also at the ribbon cutting today, they're gonna bring flamingos.

- I love flamingos.

- I've never been around them.

- They're wrinkle. - Yeah, they're stunning. - Yeah. - I don't think, we're so used too.

“I think we're so numb to animals and like,”

you think about the zebra and like, it's pattern and how wild it is. And then you see a flip, I'm gonna freak out so you're gonna freak out. - You're gonna freak out.

- Yeah, I know. The selfies are gonna be really cute. - There's a little like flamingo area over here. - The sanctuary. - The sanctuary and there's the sign saying,

I meet the mingo's and I'm like, "Oh, I'm gonna be saying that a lot." - Yeah, they have a meat and meat for the community. - I went to it a few years ago. - Really?

- Yeah. - Just me, I was the only one who was hungry. - I was a VIP. - Yeah, I was like, "How do I call it?" - Wow.

- So yeah, today we'll be our day of like, splashin' around water, water park. - So I've got the therapy out of the way. - Yeah, yeah. It's like, once you get the therapy out of the way,

it's time to play. That's what they say. - We, at the homer, the traders, last night, I'm just gonna ignore that one. (laughing)

- We watched the traders finale, which is really fun.

- I have never watched a show

that was airing live on TV at never. - Like a time? - Like a time? - Like a blind patient. - No, I'm saying it's on vacation.

- Oh, oh. - I've never been so,

“what's the bird like committed to something”

and Haley are very committed. - If there's nothing about me, if there's something about me, - Yeah, I don't think you're saying these. - Yeah, I'm not saying anything about me.

- If there's something about me, I'm committed. - You are. - And like, it's, it's really my love language because you'll, even when Rob and I are like on vacation, like we're like in the South of France

and we're deep into a love island season, we will come home and put our VPN on and watch that bad boy every single night when we get back from whatever we're doing. - Let me ask Haley if that's something she would like for me

because I don't get so sucked into TV shows, but she does. So I'm gonna say that. - It's like the comfort of your routine from home. - Do you know what I mean?

- But like, whilst, whilst away. - So it's like, well, we put traders on last night. Mind you, I'm like needing toothpicks to hold my eyes open. I'm so tired. - I got my second wins.

- So then what's going on? - Oh, oh, oh. - You wouldn't have thought, Tanya got like a 30 minute nap curled up in a chair at the airport and somehow that sustained her.

- No, it was my nap during the massage. - Oh, that's right. - Yeah, that's what I mean.

“- Yeah, that's 50 minute nap really got me good.”

Both of you'll have that. And you might have to have a little more energy than me which makes sense. But can we just get into traders? - Yeah.

- We must. - Oh my gosh. - Okay, first of all, no. - Oh, dude, that's okay. - I work on a traders podcast.

So by else, most of this, I kind of know what's going on. - As a therapist, you can help be the middle man for anybody that's something that maybe does not watch the traders. - Yes.

- So the episodes started off with like the final killing. - Let's just say spoiler alert, spoiler alert. But this is this, you should have, if you're watching the show, you should have watched it by now.

But if you haven't, there will be spoilers. - There will be spoilers. So the first kill right off the bat, I was expecting it to be Johnny or Tara. You were expecting it to be Moora.

- I thought it was gonna be Moora. But in fact, it was Mark. It was Mark, which was actually a really good choice because in my opinion, out of Mark, Tara and Johnny, I felt like Mark had the most leadership

that people would follow his opinion. Like he could convince Moora and well, he could have thought he was convincing you. - Eric, right. My thought process was, it was really smart

that they didn't kill Johnny or Tara, which I thought that they would because then, how is he gonna convince Moora that Tara is a trader if she just killed Johnny, her best friend? How is she gonna convince Moora that Johnny is a trader

if he just killed Tara, his best friend? - You can spend that either way 'cause that would be the perfect crime.

Like this whole time, it's like they would never do

that to each other. - But no, Tara's whole thing was, I know Johnny's a fate, they were both saying how they were both faithful. - I know, but that's the game.

They, that's so much long. - With how Rob was able to convince her of anything, I think Rob could have easily said, don't you see this is like the perfect way to play the game that the whole time she's saying,

- Yeah.

“- So either way, I think you could have made a defense”

for anyone they killed as a good option. - So going into that last round table, I really thought they got Moora. Like I thought Moora was in it with the girlies and she was gonna go with Tara

and they were gonna vote off Eric and I was like convinced when she turned the sign.

- First of all, I went to break.

I had a video in Tonya's leaning up. We were watching on Hayley's computer and Tonya's leaning up like almost based in face of the screen. And Moora's about to turn her board

and then it goes to break and she's like, no, what she grabs my leg where my bruises and squeezes it. One thing you need to know about Tonya, she is heavy and I was like not the break. So it comes back and I was like,

that's all dramatic. Of course she's gonna choose Eric. Like she basically told Tara, like I'm with you. - Yeah. - And she chose Johnny and at that point

I was like, we've lost her. - Lost her. But they did a really good job.

“I will say of making me feel like Moora was turning”

every step of the way. Every vote Moora had.

I was like, oh yeah, she's hit with it now.

She's gonna get it. She's gonna get it. Every vote, it was like not worth it. I was like, yeah, but even, even Rob was like, the way Moora is talking to Eric is how she talks to me.

- Right. - Which is like she's lying to me. - Yeah. - So I was like, oh my god. - She's like, maybe she's smarter than we're giving her.

Like maybe she knows. So she in fact is not. The way my whole stomach dropped when she voted for Tara 'cause I was like, oh my gosh, they're taking her out. Once it was the four of them,

once it was Moora Tara, Eric and Rob, I was like, okay, Moora's got it. She's gonna vote with Tara, they're gonna get Eric. It's gonna be a tie to the two. I don't even know what they would do with that.

And then she voted Tara and I was like, damn. - But man, what? - Another one by two.

- I mean, when Eric realized also that

Moora and Rob were teaming up against him. I felt, it was a really sad ending in the sense of like watching everyone realize the betrayal. - Yeah. - Like Eric's face when it happened and him like seeing them, I each other.

And then I don't know that I've ever seen a more devastating reaction than when Moora really got out of Rob as a trader. I knew it was gonna be bad, but it was very bad. - And Hayley was getting so upset.

- She was so mad, she was so sad. - I'm like, he played a perfect, almost a perfect game. - But I get what she's saying 'cause the whole game is to be like-- - It's just steel, yeah, like the whole game

is to like, he did achieve steel. But I get what Hayley's saying. There's something so Ikki about the fact that he like gloved on to this innocent like petite girl. Do you know what I mean?

And I say petite 'cause she's just like this little like innocent like being. And he just like, use her as this like pawn in the game. - And Eric too. - I know, I'm willing to say-- - I didn't with everyone.

- I know, I know, but there's something so, I don't know, it's like the hot guy wins. Like of course the hot guy wins. Like they win it everything. Do you know what I mean?

- Yeah. - It's a little bit like that. Like I was seeing how Hayley was getting upset and I understand, because it's just like such a metaphor in our world.

- Yeah, it's just for you. - The hot guys, we just believe the hot guys what they say because they get a win. They can go to the other day for they want. And I hate that.

- Interesting observation. - Yeah, I certainly totally understand her being like, oh, like disappoint it. - Yeah, but yeah, it's a game, it is the game.

“- So that's what like, I could tell you that day you zoom out”

and it's like it's this game show that he's literally don't picked to do exactly what he did. - Right. - And he did it. - Right. - And it's interesting 'cause like we watched a little bit

of the reunion. I had the grandma's wanting to go to bed, so I had to leave. - Oh my god. - So, but I watched a little bit of it

and I found it interesting like some people take it so personal and like it so upset about like the lying and I'm like, that's when you lie to shoot, I'm like you all lie to everybody. Like it's the whole game.

That's like what you're supposed to do. - It's the game, but then I also think a lot about like sometimes when I watch like the bachelor and I see people reacting to stuff that I'm like, this is the game show.

I'm like wait, but like when you're like away from home and you're, this is all you're doing. - Yeah. - I can kind of see how people would be like, oh my god, I've been so betrayed, you know?

- It was interesting for me to see like how some people took it and then how some people kind of just like took it on the chin. Like more, if I were more, I would be so pissed at Rob and she's like on Instagram saying like congrats Rob

and like, but yeah, but also a lot of time has passed. Two months, not so much time. - Yeah, I hung out with her at the,

- Yeah, that was like in December.

- Oh, isn't it? - Yeah. - Either way, it's been some time. Two months is a long time to record all the grudge like that for two years.

- I guess my thing is like, I think the ego gets bruised because your, and, and of course, people come or coming at the faithfuls like, are you all idiots? Like how do you not see this as we're like sitting on the couch watching it all play, right?

- Right, right. - And so I think there's like the ego of it all and I think it's like, do I not trust like, can I not trust myself and my instincts of people?

“And I think that's what upsets people more”

than like the game being able to do. - I do hope that Mora takes an inner look at herself a little bit, just no, because it's like what, what she was saying, like she picks men who like cheat on her

and like she chose Rob is like her trust for the guy

and the game and he ended up being like a total liar. You know, like I'm hoping that she like, like, is like, maybe my gut or like my instincts aren't leading me in the right direction and like she can start leading in the right direction.

- Do we think Rob, Rob disclosed that he's in a relationship? He's been in a relationship for two months. They were kind of trying to make Mora and Rob like a thing. - Yeah. - Like they were trying to be like, is there any chance

and then he was, they were like, are you single Rob and he said, no, I'm not. And they said, how long and he said two months? - Can we trust that? - I was thinking, if I'm this new girl,

I am, it's studying him, will not show, really? - Oh yeah. - You know, I watched him on Love Island. I don't think he's a bad guy. I really don't.

I know he like did some, a lot of dirty things in this game, but it is the, that is what the game is. I don't think he's like innately a bad guy and I wouldn't personally, like, if I was his girlfriend, think that he was like an aligned sheet and steel for me.

- I don't think he's a bad guy, but I also think he is a dord, simply, I mean, I think he's probably not. I'm sure he is charming and nice,

“but I think he's so good looking that he can,”

you know, live with everyone. - I mean, look, the way that people were just like, what I mean, say, master. (laughing) - It's interesting because it's like,

what's like that? - It's like, it's a game, like, if there was a game where you had to like destroy a children's playhouse. Like, and someone does it really well.

It's like, okay, this is the game, but also the fact that you're so good in all this. - It's like, you know, like, if you just be me in traders and I was a trader, I would be caught immediately. - I would be, I would be, I would be like,

- I think you might, a slip under people's radar because you're so bad that they're like, I've played mafia, like Robin would do a game, and I would be played mafia. And I was like, the doctor or something like,

I was not, whatever, or no, I was the investigator. I don't know, I was something that was trying to like get, like, trying to help the faithfuls. And because I was acting so weird,

I was killed like the second round.

He's like, she, I know her, and she's acting weird. I was like, well, no, no, no, it was like that, he killed me. And I was like, dang. But, I don't know, I, I, oh, wait, I wanted to pivot to the, the Donna Kelsey of it all.

So Donna Kelsey's, like, blessed her heart. She was the first one out, gone to-- - She was like, our secret trader. - Yeah, which I think they made up just for her, but I just wanted her on the show.

- Um, I, the, like, literally, like the second question she gets asked is, did Taylor watch? - Oh, yes. - And like, I could see it on her face that she was just like, uh, and I like felt bad for her

because I'm just like, I would be so scared. But it's his mother-in-law. So she kind of has like the upper hand. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- That's the thing. Obviously, the Kelsey brothers are, uh, into tea of their own selves. You know, you bring Taylor Swift into it all. And it just explodes then in their family name.

And Donna Kelsey. And it's like, I'm sure it isn't knowing that everything that is involved around them is Taylor Swift.

“And at the same time, you have to just accept it and embrace”

that people, it is interesting. Did Taylor watch the traders? - I know, I know. - The fact that she said all of her family watches, I'm like, oh my god, if I was on this season of the traders,

I'd be like Taylor Swift and her mom and her dad and her brothers sit around their TV and they're watching me mark ballas play traders. - Do you know what I mean? I mean, I think it's just, it's, sometimes I,

it does humanize them a little bit. - Yeah. - I also feel like it would be if someone asked, this is like the smallest girl ever, but I'm putting my own self in there.

If someone asked about the Bachelor and I was like, can we just not associate with that with me anymore? Because I, like, that's a part of my past. It's like, that's why people, that's why we're here. - I know, I get it, I get it.

And I feel like if they didn't ask her that, all the tweets and stuff would be like,

- Yeah, and she was like innocent question.

- Yeah.

“- She wasn't like who was she rooting for?”

- Right. - It was just like, did she watch? - Right. - It's as basic as you can get. - It's basic as you can get.

- And I'm sure, Donna was like, I don't care if she watched or not. And she just had to be like, sure, yeah. - Her whole family, I want to. - Yeah, I make a big thing of popcorn and watch it down.

- And then she's like, did I say too much? - Yeah. - That's what I'm being done. - Did I say too much? All she said was like, yeah, she watched us.

- I thought this was really, but it was a really great season.

So I just want to say, hats off too.

- All the contestants in one more trader's faithfuls, all the producers, editors, like y'all crushed. - Yeah, they crushed it. (upbeat music)

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“- Okay, okay, so season five will be civilians,”

and then season six will be all stars. And what I was so happy that I was correct. What I was reading about the all stars is that like they're gonna bring back, they're looking at Lisa Rina, they're looking at Rob,

they're looking at Surrey and Ari from the first season,

they're looking at Rob from Survivor, they're looking at Pilot Pete. - These are all expected. - Well, yeah. - Well, it's all the same, most of them have a fair chance.

- Who's gone first, right? - It's gone first. - It would be devastated if I was like, one of the first two or three to go. - Yeah, that would be sad.

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“- The Beast Games finale aired this week,”

the Trader's finale aired this week, the Survivor Season 50. It's a three hour premiere episode, aired this week, I get to watch it. My family's waiting to watch it with me

until when I get back. Yeah, so I'm excited to watch that one. I get home. I mean, TV is poppin' right now. If I were three hours per premieres in watch while--

- I know, but Robby said he's been hearing from people he trust that it was a really good premiere because Survivor has kind of gotten like a little, I don't know what the word is. It used to be super gnarly,

like they were out in the woods and like they would have like all these bug bites and they were like in like the same clothes. Now they give them like all kinds of clothes. Like they, they look like they just got manicures.

And like it's not as like rough and tough. - What if they're Asian now? - Yeah, it's not as rough and tough as it used to be and like I'm hearing that this season, it's like back.

- Wow, how did Jeff Proops is gonna participate in a little bit of it? - Well, like as a good tester? - Yeah, I saw that headline the other day and people were saying like,

oh, I bet he's just gonna be like in a challenge and he was saying like I'm a contestant this year. - Don't quote me, I just saw a headline, I did not investigate it further. - I could play the game better, yeah.

- Although I imagine him being in his trailer and then being like, all right, Jeff. - Hey, Jeff, I'm out for the-- - You got there and juggle some cooking I said, he did. (laughing)

- I'm excited. I'm excited for you. - Thank you. - I'm thinking to get home too. - Yeah.

- This is something to be excited about, yeah.

“I think that's all because we have a ribbon to go, though.”

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The spa was amazing, which we talked about.

There's golf courses, there's tennis, there's retail shopping, there's gambling, there's literally... - There's a jet ski shaped like a Lamborghini, I saw. - Oh my gosh. - Yeah, this would be a great vacation with the kids,

without the kids for everything. - For everything for everybody. - And by the time we're back you guys, we'll have a new Harry Styles album. - No.

- Yeah? - Yes. (laughs) - You know what I mean? Can I tell you guys something really quickly

before we leave? - Please. - So we booked this trip and we've had this trip plan for a while. I got invited to listen to the new Harry Styles album before it came out.

- Wow. - Where? - With me? - I don't know where, not with him, a song's him. - Okay.

- But nonetheless, listen to the album. And it was when we were already here, it's like happening as we speak. - Oh my gosh. So maybe someone can send you a link.

- Well, no, no. - I'll just have to listen at the rest of the world. - Do you know anyone that listens?

Can you get a second hand, like,

is there someone else that went in your place? - Yeah, no, not in my place, but there are people from kiss that went, yeah. - Yeah, like, consistentity to say, like, it's good. - Yeah, I think Ronnie went too.

- Yeah, we just need, like, what are the, like, what are the songs? - Yeah, the vibes. - Yeah, I wonder if they signed NDAs? - They were really funny if it was bad.

I'm just gonna say, you're very funny, - No, I would not, you said. - I feel like no one will say if it's bad. - Yeah, it's true. - He's one of those artists, no, no, no, no, no, no.

People will be saying.

- Yeah, not his real fans though.

His real fans are very bad. - Yeah, that's amazing.

“- Yeah, like, he could, like, say that in cyclopidea.”

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