390: Part 1: “Turn Around & Close Your Eyes” | Angelique Robledo

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Hey true crime besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of cerealously. Hello, welcome back to an all-new episode of cerealously. It's me, your host, and your true crime BFF, Annie Elise, and we're here to talk about another case today. I hope you all had a fantastic weekend. Hopefully you're having a good start to your week, whether you're listening to this on Monday or a different time throughout the week. I'm just happy that you're here. Thank you so much for being here. Now today's case, I want to just give a little bit of a warning. Okay, it is extremely triggering, graphic, and very personal.

Now what I want you to do for me for just a minute here is I want you to close your eyes, not if you're driving, but if you're in a safe space, close your eyes and imagine being 18 years old and imagine being 18 and pregnant and being in the final months of your pregnancy.

“Preparing for what is supposed to be the most exciting and happiest moments of your life while unbeknownst to you.”

Somebody that you trust and you think is your friend is secretly plotting to kill you and steal your unborn baby.

Now I know that it sounds like the plot of a lifetime movie or some sort of true crime movie, but for Angelique Robletto, this was her terrifying reality. In 2011, Angelique was a pregnant teenager living in Arizona, and she befriended another woman who appeared to be going through the exact same experience. So the two of them bonded over their pregnancies and also what felt like a shared journey into motherhood. However, behind that friendship was a very disturbing plan. One that investigators say involved murder and an attempt to cut out Angelique's unborn child from her womb.

Now crimes like this are known as fetal abductions, and they are relatively rare, although unfortunately we have talked about quite a few of them on here.

“We've talked about Rebecca Park, Heidi Brassard, Reagan Hancock, so unfortunately more common than anybody would like.”

But even though they're rare, when they do happen, they are some of the most shocking cases in true crime.

And speaking of the case of Heidi Brassard, I would imagine many of you are familiar with that name in that case. She was a young mother in Texas who was killed by someone she believed was a close friend of hers. Then that person abducted her newborn child and tried to pass the baby off as her own. Now Angelique's story, it could have ended the very same way. But thankfully, it didn't. She survived, and today we're lucky enough to have Angelique in the studio to share her experience firsthand.

So please join me in welcoming Angelique. Hi Angelique, thank you so much for being here and welcome to seriously. Thank you, it's so nice to be here. Nice to have you. So what I would love to do before we get into everything and your experience and everything that you went through. I would love to just start with what high school was like for you.

If you could just walk us through that. Yeah, absolutely. So high school, it was interesting. I ran with like a really bad crowd, I guess you could say. So I kind of started off with, I moved here from California to Arizona and so I felt like I was out of place a lot of times. Like a lot of things in California were just different.

So I tend to, people please, I guess you could say, and I tend to like fall into the peer. What is it called? Peer pressure, peer pressure. Yes, I fell into a lot of peer pressure as like a teenager. So I did a lot, I feel like I wasn't myself a lot. So I kind of ran with a wrong crowd, got a lot of trouble.

And it kind of like I went through like a lot of trauma when I was younger. So I got arrested by the cops and things like that. And it was just like minor things just for like getting into a fight or I think at one point maybe I shop lifted something.

In my new town, everybody knew each other.

So it kind of falls in line because the detective that ran my case had arrested me. Wow. And so she's been in my life for over like five or six years. So she's got to come full circle. She's got to come for full circle. So when you say you ran with a little bit of a tough crowd in addition to maybe the fights or the shoplifting. Was there anything else that you would just like house parties and what things like that?

It was. It was just like house parties and then I kind of started when I hit like 10th grade. I started to run with like I say run with but like I started to hang out with different people. And I feel like I kind of drew away from like the old crowd that I was hanging out with. But unfortunately like even going through all of that I was going through a lot of stuff at home.

And hanging out with like the new friends that I was like I feel like I didn't get more of a high school experience.

I got going to football games. I played soccer. Oh. So it kind of like. It was nice to get that like typical high school experience from when before it was a little bit tougher. Exactly. So like I started actually doing like going on. Like I remember like we would go in like go to like run right right quads and we would go to country Thunder.

So like I started to like be able to like feel like what it was like to actually be a teenager and be with friends who were genuine. And it was it was a good experience. It really was unfortunately at the end of my high school though before I got pregnant with my son. I did fall into a addiction. So I I did fall into an addiction with meth and when I got pregnant with violent. I was I was doing meth at that time.

So I feel like violent saved my life in a way.

That's amazing. Well, let's walk through that a little bit.

When did you discover that you were pregnant were and were you was it so surprised were you with a boyfriend or you were 18 at the time. So I was 17. I was 17 when I got pregnant. And I me and violence dad. His name was Josh.

It's my husband now. But his name was Josh and we were just friends at the time and it was one of those things like where it just happened. And then we just didn't talk because I ran more I was doing drugs at that time. So from then me and him kind of just didn't talk at all. And I ended up I was working at Jack in the box and I remember there were a few friends there that I was doing like the drugs with.

“And I remember sitting there thinking like something's wrong and they were like what do you mean?”

I was like like when I do this like I'm not able to stay up like I'm vomiting like it's not having the same effect. Yeah so I wasn't feeling like how I was and I remember my coworker was like what do you think? And I was like I feel like I think I'm pregnant and he was like no and I was like yeah. And so I remember I didn't take a test or anything because I was too scared but I actually came home that night and my mom was already in my room with a pregnancy test. Oh wow mother's intuition mother's intuition she was like she like through the test at me and she was like take it and I was like no like no.

I was like no why are you throwing this at me? She's like you haven't started your period and I was like why are you tracking my stuff like how dare you know then I. And she said like how dare you my privacy like yeah dare you do that and she was like your period hasn't started like I think something's going on and so. I remember I like I was in a panic and I was shoving her out of my room and I took the test and I went into the bathroom and I remember I smoked that day like I remember and I was in the bathroom and I was smoking.

And I took the test and not even like within five seconds the test came out positive. Wow and so that was like a really big realization of like holy crap like what is going on. What did you feel in that moment where you scared excited I was terrified I was extremely terrified and I immediately called Josh and you had said you had stopped talking at this point and was he using it all.

“No he was not using it. So that's why me and him didn't talk because I was running he's more like oh I heard you're doing things like.”

Oh I mean you were on a street in arrow with okay I see and so you got how long had a bend that you hadn't been talking at this point. About two months okay so I was about like eight weeks pregnant when I found out okay so relatively early in the pregnancy okay. So then so you call Josh I called Josh and I told him like hey like I'm I took a test and I'm pregnant and I'm saying it very nonchalantly and he's like what? And I'm like yeah and he's like well what do you want to do and I was like oh I want to get rid of it and he I was like are you on board with me?

Like I wanted to make sure that we were on the same page and he was like yeah and he actually was throwing up on the phone. Oh my god. He was just like made him throw up. Is he your same age was he older? He was about two and a half years older than me so I was 17 and he I was turning 18 though so he was 20.

Now let me ask this not that it matters. I'm just curious if you hadn't been talking it to for two months at that point. What made you feel like you wanted to call and share the news with him? My mom had told me so I got I missed that part after my mom found out that so when I took the test I went into my room and she was like what's going on?

“And I was like I'm pregnant are you happy and I threw the test at her and she was like you need to call the dad and tell him like you can't just do this on your own.”

And I was like I don't even want this baby like it was a whole commotion between my mom.

And so I called because my mom told me like I should call so I did it like kind of in the room all by myself.

And when I did that he was just like I mean like I said he was vomiting like when I told him the news. And then I told him don't worry like I'm going to get rid of it and he was like you're going to have an abortion and I was like yes he's like I'll help pay for it.

“So he was on board with everything and I remember that night my brother my step brother was visiting us from California and he's about a year older than me.”

But he started to he was he kind of had a idea of what was going on with me like what I was doing.

So he had went like searched my whole room grabbed all my stuff and flushed it down the toilet.

And that night I remember going into the bathroom and staring at the toilet and I was so like out of my mind. And so just like I wanted to figure out how to get that stuff out of the toilet. So I like turned the water off. I came out with like a wrench like I thought I was going to take apart the toilet. And I sat there on the floor with like water everywhere and like realized like holy crap like I'm I'm trying to take a toilet part right now. Like is this where my life has gone to like this is what I want like I'm willing to do all of this for drugs like that's crazy.

And so as like the come down started happening you know I stayed up all night but then I finally fell asleep and when I woke up I texted Josh and I said meet me at the park like meet me at our spot like.

“We were friends prior so here did you know like where we would meet at so he met me at the park and I remember walking down the street.”

And I was in a big hoodie and I had glasses on because I was coming down at that time. And I remember like pull I remember seeing him and he's like what's going on like do you need the money right now and I was like I'm not going to have the abortion. And he's like why and I just wasn't even 24 hours later that you had this realization. Wasn't even 24 hours later and I remember taking up like taking off my hood taking my glasses off and being like look at me and he's like yeah you're quite crap and I was like exactly I said I'm high like I'm coming down right now.

And I said I don't want to I don't want to do this like I don't want this to be my life and if I don't have this baby. I'm going to continue and I'm not going to stop and it's going to ruin my life and you don't have to be a part of it you don't have to agree with it but like I'm going to have this baby because I I want my life back. And even if that means of having a baby helps me then that helps me and I have to say it's 17 years old because you were 17 when is that that is pretty courageous and admirable to be have come to that realization on your own and realize like this baby will essentially save my life it will stop me from using and to have that determination to within 24 hours just while you're coming down that's pretty incredible because even grown adults don't have that you know.

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I come from a family of addicts and so I've seen it. I've seen the lifestyle of it and I didn't want that for myself and I said then I replay that night all the time. Because like you said like a 17 year old doing that like normally they don't care they're very selfish. I was very happy to know everything. Yeah, you should be incredibly proud of yourself. Did your mom know when you that you were had been using leading up to this. No, well, she had an idea because there were moments that like I within that two months like I had ran away I had tried because my mom found out I was doing drugs and I was she was like you need to stop and of course like you know just teenager like no.

You know everything I run away to people so not run away to people's houses like she knew and bad thing was it's like those parents knew I was doing that and they just let it happen. So I knew this would become like just a cycle and living in a small town it's.

It's amazing to be good sometimes it can be bad just because everybody knows each other and then you know which like who you can get away with things with.

So so you tell Josh you know I'm not going forward with determination. I want to keep this baby. I'm going to get clean and you can be as involved as you want or as little as you want and what was his response to that. He said that he would support me and he would be here for me and I remember at the very end he gave me a hug and he like kissed my forehead and I said about there's one like there's one stipulation and he said what and I said we are not together. I do not want you to pity me and be with me because I'm having your baby if you do decide to be with me.

I want it to be later down the line because you want to be with me. I don't want you to feel like I put you in a situation that you're stuck in.

“So for the long it's funny because like for like five months I refuse to call my boyfriend so he will be like oh your boyfriend I believe he's on my way friend.”

He's just a father and I get I respect it. I love it. So what was that like then in the couple of months after you decide we're going to keep this baby.

We're going to keep this baby. We're going to you know maybe rekindle see where this goes how often were you to speaking how challenging was it to get clean how were those first few months.

They were very it was a it was a struggle it really was I came clean to like my OB I told them I was very open. So I told them you know I have been using like I'm stopped like I'm stopping and you know I'm feeling I was I was like a hundred and six pounds like I was very very little. I I'm normally like a hundred and thirty so that's just like what the drugs did to me and so it was basically just trying to build up like my nutrition. I smoked cigarettes a lot too but the I was having like a lot of panic attacks and anxiety so they told me like basically like take a cigarette and like take a couple hits and then put it out and keep doing that throughout the day until you start to like win yourself off because like winning yourself off the math and also like being pregnant can sometimes just I guess like to shock your body.

“So they were very helpful with teaching me like how to do that and within like a week or two like I was fine.”

Okay.

I feel like I started to gain weight I got my friends back like a lot of my friends that I had become like the ones I was going out like on quads and like going to country thunder with and.

You know they had taken like they they left me because I was obviously going down a different path than they were and so I you know they came back and they were here to support me. I probably felt really good. They really did. I still worked at Jack in the box too and my co workers even that they were doing something they were very supportive of me and I kind of just lived. I wasn't high school so I was a senior. I did drop out. It was just really overwhelming like coming off of everything and like getting to classes.

So I took myself out of high school and I ended up getting my GED. But I still continue to work and I kind of stayed to myself to be honest. I had like maybe four or five friends that I talked to. But that's what I needed like I needed to get myself out of everything in order to feel like confident that I wasn't going to use again. And just have a tight circle close knit and your mom I would imagine was very supportive through all of my mom was very supportive through this whole thing. My mom was my best friend. My mom had my to believe it or not.

You know when they say you follow your parents footsteps. My mom had had the exact same thing at 17 years old. She was doing math and she found out she was pregnant with me. Oh my gosh. So I almost wondered if I if I did that because like my mom did that. Yeah, you knew her story. I saw like that she could do it and it was like if she can do it, like I can do it.

Yes, she did it for me. I could do it for my child exactly.

“It was like a full circle moment. I think her moment was like I'm so proud of you. Like and I want me my mom are really close even though if people ask in high school like we fought a lot.”

Of course. I mean that's typical when it's a yeah when you're a girl and you're in high school that's same with me and my mom we and I ran with the bad crowd to made a lot. It was very similar in our regard. And we I also thought I knew better than anybody else. And I remember you had mentioned earlier how you like through the pregnancy test data and how you're managing like why are you going through my thing.

So I think that every I would argue that most girls high school experiences were similar in the sense that they maybe didn't see eye to eye with their mom all the time.

“That's good. Yeah, I noticed that too and especially being a mom now like I have three kids. So I yeah, I have to do have any girls.”

I have one daughter. She's my youngest, but man like she's she's eight going on on 16 right now. So you're you know you're going to be in.

I know I'm going to be in for it. Oh my gosh. So okay. So the first few months of pregnancy of your tight circle. Everybody supportive.

You're getting healthy. You have wind yourself off of drugs and then when did you and Josh start reconciling in a bigger way and spending more time together. So I feel like once we hit once I hit like six months give or take like he was working on it's called the we called this about a farm. It's just because like Maricopa basically think of like a big circle and there's only two ways out of our town. So you have the Cassie Grand Highway which takes like 25 minutes and then you have the 347 which takes like 25 minutes.

So you're stuck and then you have this one row that takes you like the farm land.

“Okay. So he lived out there and there was this he had friends at only the farm. So he worked out there and I remember it was they called it picking season because it was they would pick cotton in the season.”

And so he I remember he would work constantly like literally day and night. So he I remember he started to when I started to like kind of allow him to be more part of my life.

He would come in like see me for like 10 minutes and then have to go back to work. So wow. It was constantly like I didn't see him for like a couple weeks and it was just like that. And then my dad also wasn't very inviting he was like no. Like I don't want to meet him. So all the time my dad had rules like you can go outside and talk to him but he's not welcome in our house. And why was that because he came from he had more a calm background right Josh to it did to a sense yes, but my dad was just very very strict.

We come from I'm I'm full Hispanic and so I come from the Mexican household and I'm the only girl and so things were just I hate to say it, but I feel like most most Mexican women can say this like you're treated differently the daughter is always treated. It's always more strict like the boys can kind of do whatever they want and you're just more protective over me and so like it just was like that and he did not like the fact that I mean he still couldn't come to terms that I was pregnant. So it was like dad I'm six months now.

“Yeah, but after a while I remember my dad so after like that picking season I think we hit whenever this there was a football game in Arizona and my dad had let me invite Josh that was my dad's first time like meeting”

Okay, and it happened to be with like all of our family so he got to like go out to like a family event with all of us. How was that it was fun it really was it was fun and did your dad like him did they get along. My dad doesn't trust everybody okay. I will I'll tell you this right now. I got married in 2020 and I'm I'm actually I don't even know if you my dad would have actually gave me okay like he was he's still like I'm not sure if I trust him and my dad it's been 15 years.

You're always going to be daddy's little girl is going to yes so for the most part like they have a good relationship now but my dad was always very wary of of guys and I think it was just being very protective so. I don't think my dad really like. Was inviting of Josh until the incident happened to me because that was more of like. Everybody kind of everybody had him in together yeah before that it was like a so he met on that one time and then it was like okay like I'm good I don't need to talk to me.

Okay, but he's like aware of who's it what's going on who Josh is so around what month of your pregnancy did you meet your new friend who you bonded over. Okay so friend wise like I I think I told you like I had like my my group of friends there was probably about like four or five of them that like we're in my inner circle and nobody could really relate to me nobody was pregnant at that time we maybe had like maybe two other girls that had babies like earlier. But for the most part like nobody was pregnant so I don't really have anyone to talk to and like relate to me and everybody else if it's senior year.

So all my friends like they all were in high school they were all doing the senior things like that to bring and you know homecoming and prom and like just all these different things that I kind of missed out on. And so my friend Hannah she had called me one day and she was like hey I met this girl her name is Cassandra she's pregnant and she's just like you she just moved to our town. I thought maybe you would like to meet up with us you know I told her about you and I thought you guys can kind of hit it off and I was like yeah.

That's great somebody like my day going through something similar and how did Hannah know Cassandra.

Hannah had met Cassandra and I actually just found this out because I've never asked her but I guess she met her like just like at a like at a friend's house like a kickback I guess.

But then so I don't know if you might so funny you say the word kickback because literally I was recording an episode yesterday and I was talking about like it wasn't a house party was a small gathering when I was in school we used to call it a kickback or it's like 10 or 15 people.

Oh yeah the kickback like there's not too many people there you can't call it a house party but it's not just like a closer girlfriend to okay so they were at a kickback and they're at each other.

“Yeah they met each other and I don't know too much about like the backstory of that I think what happened from what I understand is like Cassandra moved to America and somehow she met like other friends of ours and.”

She kind of had the story that like her sister lived out there but she had the story that she like nowhere to live so at some point she lived with one of my friends named Sebastian and I know she was pregnant while she was pregnant and so. I don't know the too much of the dynamic of that but I do know that Hannah met her there and so Hannah was like oh like. Hannah and I was one of the team moms that like had a baby early so she had a baby like a year and a half two years prior and so. She was like oh like I you know I have a son but like I know what it's like to be pregnant and alone like let me introduce you to my friend Angelique and so she was like oh yeah I would love to enter like love to meet her and I want to say that Cassandra asked like if there was anybody that was pregnant.

So I tell me about your first time meeting Cassandra and what made you to click with one another so.

Hannah had picked me up and we went to Chandler so Chandler was about like a 25 30 minute drive and we went to like right off the I 10 it's a denies and. I remember Hannah picked me up and Cassandra was in the car also so we had talked a little bit before we got there once we got there we kind of just like hit it off and you know I feel like we were able to. Connect and just relate on each other like oh like morning sickness or you know my back her so I'm getting a lot of heartburn like I heard that means that they have a lot of hair like it was just really nice to be able to talk to somebody and I felt.

Really good about it like if no it felt really good I didn't think anything weird or anything was wrong.

“She's similar in terms of the her how far long she was so she I think at that moment I met her like the end of November maybe beginning of Decemberish and I was about six months and she was about three months okay three to four months.”

But still so you're relating on the symptoms you guys are going through probably being like how was your first trimester and here's what mine was like and it felt nice to have someone that you could talk to and share that those moments and experiences with. Yes, it felt really nice and like I said nobody else could really relate to me on that like except you know my mom could tell me things from that you know for my brothers and me but. It just I don't know I feel like as a pregnant woman sometimes you feel like you're like everything got taken away from you you made this choice but like everything got taken away from you you feel alone.

So it was just really really nice you know you see now and days where people go into mom groups and they want to get friends and especially when you have a baby and you want somebody to be there with you that. Really relieved and I felt like wow I made a really like I made it I made a good friend we even that even later on that day we went to baby babies are us and you know we got that little gun and you like run around and so yeah. Right to register exactly so we both created our registries that day and like we did like our right like we just did like a little bit of things that we found so that was really nice.

And then after that we went home and we exchanged you know numbers and at that time socials was just like my space and yeah I think Facebook was just coming around so like we exchanged like our Facebooks okay and we honestly stayed in contact. All the way until the incident we we texted all the time how often would you see each other how you would text all the time how often would you guys get together and see each other because you at that point you said you are what around six months. So you had I guess three but technically probably like four more months to come.

So how often would you guys get together and what would you do so we actually never got together after that.

Oh you didn't you would just talk via social media and text message just social media just text message I worked and I also just didn't. I don't know it was it was really hard getting me out of the house I felt I kind of like self isolated myself for a while just because for no there was no reason about it just like I felt I wanted to stay away from things and she lived in a house that had kickbacks and she was living with our friends Sebastian so like I just stayed away from there.

“But we talked all the time you know she would fight with her I do remember she has a husband so that's one thing that was like very different obviously like I had Josh I think at that time I started to call Josh my boyfriend.”

And was she at your age she was nine days younger than me okay and was this her first pregnancy as well.

This was her first pregnancy as well okay but she was married she was married she dropped out I believe like her sophomore year or maybe even junior year okay.

So this guy she with a story that she told us was like that she had been talking to this guy since she was like in like middle school and so they had gotten married and she was having his baby that was the whole reason like they got married because she was pregnant with his baby. But he lived in like Chandler I believe and she lived in Maricopa so about a 35 minute like drive and everybody knew about this guy so everybody knew who Edwin was nobody had ever talked to him nobody had ever met him.

So what did anybody ever ask her if you're married yeah I guess 35 minutes is kind of a drive but not really if you're married and if you're pregnant with his child why aren't you guys living together why are you couch surfing and living on it at Sebastian's house. So those were questions that like we asked and I think I feel like she said that he was working and like his mom didn't like she had like a story like a long the lines of like he still lives with his mom like she doesn't like her I do know that like Cassandra's mom had passed away which I did find out was like a hundred percent true she did pass away.

“The dad I believe lived in Mexico and so she was live she was supposed to be living with her sister in Maricopa.”

I don't know like what happened or why she never really opened up about like that situation she just kind of on her own she was kind of on her own so it was just couch surfing because she would stay at Sebastian's and then she would stay at Hannah's so she would kind of go back and forth. Okay so you guys would talk you were friendly you would share even through the upcoming months seven months eight months nine months here's how I'm feeling how are you doing. Did you get your registry did you have a baby shower things like that yes okay and then I even invited or so my baby shower was like.

My baby shower was in February I think I was doing March. Yeah I'm pretty sure it was very close to it and she didn't go to your baby shower though she didn't and I invited her she did sound like she was going to come and then she didn't I didn't even notice that she didn't make it because we had. We had so many people between Josh and I between our families like my whole house was filled I was very very blessed like I got double things off my registry like it was it was a lot of support that's amazing and it's crazy because I felt so alone but that day of my baby shower I felt like oh my gosh all my friends like they're showing up they're showing up just because they cut it it was kind of one of those things where it was like we're in high school like they have things that they're doing to and that's kind of like why I wanted a friend because.

We're in two different lifestyles you're on this more like expedited adult grown up path while everybody else is still having keg parties are going to tailgating at the football game and so going to the hybrid yes every thing.

I felt nice to finally be back and be like okay I'm not so different I'm not it's not as isolating.

So it was really yeah it was really nice and good and then I realized she sent me a text message that day and said hey I'm so sorry I wasn't feeling good like I wasn't able to make it but I would love to like make it up to you. And then I think that just by had my baby shower and then I want to say Valentine's Day happen on the 14th and then. She messaged me on the 15th and was like can I come over tomorrow I have a baby shower gifts for you like I'm so sorry I wasn't able to make it but I would love to spend a day with you trying to make up for not being there.

And I actually she wanted specifically she wanted me to come to her so she did want me to come to her house but I told her I've asked you. Okay, sorry I jumped ahead. No, that's okay. She had gotten kicked out of Sebastian's and she went back to live with her sister. What did she get kicked out for?

So Sebastian I never in the funny thing that I never asked.

I actually found out from one of the ID channels they interviewed Sebastian and I guess he just said that because she wasn't doing anything. Oh, she was kind of a deadbie and he called it she called it squatting. Okay, so she moves back in with her sister and she's like I so sorry I couldn't make it to your baby shower. I want to make it up to you. I have gifts.

“Can you come over and at this point did you feel like anything was off with her?”

No, I didn't feel like anything was off. She was very. I feel like she I'm trying to figure out the words how to use it. I feel like she was very needy. Okay, and in how so in the way of wanting to know where you're going, what you're doing,

wanting to talk to you, having like ownership over your time.

It seems like she always when she would text me if I didn't text back right away.

Like she would be like hey, are you going to answer me? Like hey, like I'm just checking on you and I feel like I'm sorry. Like I was in a doctor appointment or hey, like sorry, I had work.

“Like how many text messages would you say she sent you a day?”

Hmm. If I didn't answer, it was like just like a follow-up. It wasn't crazy. It wasn't like a lot. Like she'd even go day without talking to me.

Okay. It was random. But when she would talk to me like sometimes we get into like a texting conversation and we would, you know, just go on. But if we were in like a conversation and I did not answer her back.

Like she'd be like, hey, like hey. And then she called me like, hey, I just, I had that question. Can you answer it? And as a teenager, like, it was annoying. Totally.

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Let's record it. And would you guys talk on the phone as well? Or just mainly text message. We would talk on the phone also. And then she would post like bait.

This is when we first started kind of going into Facebook. So I would post like my ultrasound pictures. And then immediately after she would post her ultrasound pictures. And then she'd be like oh my baby. And she was I do know that with I didn't get to hang out with her too much.

But all my other friends got to meet her at the kick. I got different kickbacks. Yeah.

And they said like she just constantly always was like oh my baby.

Like always talking about her baby. It was like your whole world. It was your whole personality. Okay. How could this baby was her own like her whole personality.

She wanted everybody to know what she was naming the baby. You know I'm having this. I'm having that like. Did you say if she was having a boy or a girl? She was having a boy.

Yeah. Like me. Okay. So we both kind of just I don't know.

“People like Josh even met her once actually now that I think about it.”

He went to one of the kickbacks. I stayed home. And I remember Josh went to one and he came. I think we met up the next day and he was like hey I met that girl. Because Sanjay he was like she's an odd one.

And I was like why? He's like she just like talks a lot. Yeah. And she's like obsessed with this baby. Like she's so excited.

But like where is this husband? Yeah. So everybody started to have questions. What's the true story of like her husband? Why she's living here?

What's going on? Okay. Yes. So everybody kind of but but we're all 17, 18 year olds. Right.

We're all just like you know like now and days. It's like I'd be like hmm. Like now we're exposed to more darkness in the world. Exactly.

And not that darkness was I mean there was always there.

Darkness has always been there. Yeah. It just was not. There was no platforms. Yeah.

We didn't talk about this. The visibility wasn't there. We were taught not to talk about our traumas. Right. So like people didn't talk about these types of things.

Yeah. You know we didn't ask in question stuff. And after that it was that's when she came. So she ended up asking if I can come to her house. Uh-huh.

And I remember I was watching Grey's Anatomy with my mom. And I was laying in bed with her. And I like sigh and and she goes away.

“And I was like my friend Cassandra and she was like, what?”

And I was like, well, she didn't come to my baby shower. She's like, well, are you upset? And I was like, no. I was like, but she has these gifts. And she wants me to go to her house.

And I just am not feeling good. Like I haven't been feeling good. My pregnancy, we ended up finding out later. I have pre-eclampsia. So it makes sense like why I'm not feeling good.

But I don't know this at the time. Yeah. So I'm just like explaining to my mom like, I just don't have the energy. Like, and she's like just in by her hair. And I was like, oh, and how many months pregnant were you at this point?

I was 9 months pregnant. 9 months. Okay. So you invite. So you're like, I'm not going to go over there.

It's too much. Like I'm tired, which same I don't. You couldn't pay me to get out of the house. So I get that. So then you're like, we'll invite her over to our house.

And she can bring the gifts. We can catch up. We can see each other again and it'll be great. Exactly. Okay.

So walk us through the day that Cassandra came over. Just at the very beginning of it. So Cassandra texted me and said, I'm going to be getting dropped off. And I was like, okay, that's fine. You know, I sent her my address.

And my brother had, it was like 9 in the morning. And my brother answered the door. And it was February 16th.

It was sunny. Okay. It's always sunny. Yeah.

We do have monsoon season.

So 9 a.m. on a what weekday. So I don't even remember. Okay. So 9 a.m. Sunny. And she's coming over from the desk.

Okay. So your brother opens the door. My brother opens the door. And she's being dropped off by a man in like this white van. And it's all my brother saw was like a white van.

And he's about my brother was mute. I'm 10 years old at the end. So he would have been eight years old at this time. Oh, wow. Okay.

And did you have any other plans that day? Was she going to come over for just a little bit of time? Was she just going to come over indefinitely? And you guys were just going to hang or what was the plan? There was like no plan.

“It was just like, hey, like if you want to come over and hang out with me.”

Like I'll be home with my family. And she was like, yeah, like I would love that. Okay.

So she came over with no like I had no expectations of like what was going to happen.

Yep. And who was at the house in addition to you and your year old brother? So my eight year old brother was there. And my 13 year old brother was there. And then my mom was there.

My dad was at work. Okay. So it was just us there. So my brother is myself and my mom. And she had walked in.

She had this like big diaper bag with her. It was a really big diaper bag. And she said that all the gifts were in there. And I remember my mom asked like, oh, do you want me to take that bag? She was like, no, no, no, I got it.

And we're like, okay. She was like, well, I want to show you the gifts later. Like I want to talk with you and hang out. And I was like, yeah, it's totally fine. So she puts the bag like a way like in the front room.

And she just hangs out with us all day. And to be quite honest, like, we didn't do too much. It was mainly just like, I remember like we migrated from like the kitchen table to like the couch. And we just started talking about like, you know, just like certain things. We had spent a lot of the day.

This is like when team mom was coming, like when the OGs were coming out. Like I remember watching like kale on. And you know, just like Janelle, all of them on. And you know, we were talking about all the drama between them. And at one point it went to commercial break.

And we started talking. She started asking like questions about like certain things. Like she started asking questions about birth. And we are making a joke because we're kind of questions. So we lived about 40 minutes away from the nearest hospital.

So she would be like, what would happen if like we went into labor. And I'm like, what do you mean? She was like, well, what would happen? Like you we live so far away from a hospital. Like I was like, oh, we probably just go to the hospital or call 911 or something.

Or I'm almost like, it doesn't happen. Like my mom jumped in and was like, it doesn't happen. Like the movie say like, yeah, sometimes it could happen like that. But everybody's different. Normally, you don't just have the baby. Right.

Once you start getting your contraction. So my mom's like kind of going into detail. So your mom was very much involved in this hangout session. She was around. She was around the whole day.

Okay. And what time of day was this now? This was probably about like 10 30 11. So early or she got dropped off about nine. So it's been a couple hours. You've been at hanging out.

Just talking, catching up watching TV now. And your mom's been there. Your brothers are there. Okay. My brothers are in their room.

And so my mom is just outside. My mom, my mom tends to hang out with me and my friends. So we love them. So she would.

Yeah, she just basically stayed the whole day with us.

Just talking and everything like that. And then that's when they were talking about like, you know, the birds.

“But then she was like, well, what happens if we need a sea section?”

I'm almost like, what do you mean? She was kind of on saying like, what do you mean? Like, needing her to kind of explain a little bit more. She was like, well, how, like, what would happen? Like, what if you needed an emergency sea section?

My mom was like, oh, like same thing, you know, you'd go to the hospital. It's not just like, you need a sea section. They're going to cut you open and like in your house. Yeah. All of this is done, like, you know, at a hospital.

It's a protocol for it. Yes. And then she looks at my mom and she goes, wait. Have you had a sea section? And my mom goes, yeah, I had a sea section with Angelic's youngest brother.

Isaac. And she goes, oh, how, like, how was it? She was like, oh, you know, like they, you know, they give you, like medicine. You don't feel like everything.

It's, it's scary. But, you know, it's, my mom just kind of goes into detail of like what, like, like, what the sea section felt like. Yeah. And I remember this is like where she became very intrigued

into the conversation. And she was like, well, how far do they cut, like, do they cut up and down? Do they cut side to side? And I'm almost like, they cut side to, like, from side to side.

And she was anything going off in your mind of like, why are you asking

“so many fucking questions or like, what's going on here?”

Where you just kind of like, oh, maybe she doesn't have, like, like, her mom of her, her mom had passed. Maybe she just hasn't had anybody teacher this stuff. I honestly didn't think anything of it because I felt like they were really, I mean, ought to be quite honest.

Like, me and my mom hadn't even had the conversation. So you were curious too to hear the answers. I was curious to hear the answer because like, we all don't want to have a sea section like here of these things, but like, I don't want to be cut open.

Yeah. So I remember sitting there and I was just like, you know, listening and kind of just like watching my mom kind of took, took role in it. Like, she took control of the whole conversation of,

because the answer when it came to the sea section, and I just kind of observed everything. But I didn't think anything. There was a part of me that just felt like everything was weird to be honest.

So she's telling my mom's telling her, like, no,

you go from side to side. And because Angel goes, oh, okay. She's literally stands up, lifts her shirt up and goes, can you show me? Oh my God.

And my mom goes, I mean, like mine and my mom was like, you can't see, like, where mine is at?

“Like, she's like, you have to understand, like,”

your belly gets big and they cut. And then it goes. And then like, when you, you know, obviously your belly goes back down and like, I'm not going to show you my scar.

She goes, but like, from there, like around there. And because Angel goes like this, like, she literally has her shirt up like this, and she's just like looking. And I'm just like, then I started,

I started to feel eerie at that time. And then she started asking more questions. Like, well, what happens if the baby's not breathing? And my mom goes, oh, they get the moko sucker. And she goes, what's that?

Yeah, she goes, you know, like, the little bulb is a bulb, and they put it in the baby. Like, in the mouth and they start suctioning out, like, if whatever there is in there,

and she was like, oh, I've never seen one.

And I'm like, you never seen one? Like, I feel like everybody has seen, like, this, like, you know, blue bulb that they give you. I feel like we used to have it when we were younger that they would use for, like, if you,

even renting out your ears or, like, your nose is doing, like, the cleanse scene. Yes. So, what, yeah, what do you, I forget what that's called. Like, shoot the water up and it comes down.

Hey, I don't understand. Is it a kettle thing? Yeah. Yeah. But basically, for anybody who doesn't understand with it,

it is, it's like, very 90s. But it's like, baby blue, if I remember, and the bulb is probably the size of not a tennis ball, a little bit smaller than that. And then it has, like, the big, like, whatever you would call it.

Like, almost like, it looks like a turkey-based or kind of, but way smaller. That is perfect. Yeah. Yes.

That's exactly what it was like. And they use it as suction tool. Yeah. And you get set home with those from the hospital, to use to, like, the boogers, you know?

Yeah. We call them mocos, but, you know, boogers. So, yeah. She was very confused about it.

“And she asked me, did I get one for my baby shower?”

And I was like, oh, yeah. I got one. She was like, oh, remind you, my baby shower was, like, three days prior, I think. So we're 16th, 15th, 14th.

It was a day before, like, I want to say it was, like, the day before Valentine's Day or something. Whatever that weekend was is when my baby shower was. And I had not gone through my gifts. There was so many.

It was so overwhelming. My whole couch, like, I had an L couch. The whole cap back at the couch was filled. Wow. It was so much.

And so I hadn't even tried to go through them yet. And she wanted me to dig through them and to go find it for her. And I was like, no. And what was her explanation?

She just had never seen one.

She didn't ever know what it looked like. Like, so she's like, oh, did you get one? I want to see. I've never seen it. And then she went back.

I told her I didn't want to. I was like, I'm not going to go look through that. And she was like, oh, look. And she's like, got up. And I was like, I got a better idea.

My laptop's right here. Let me show you what it looks like on Google. Because, like, good luck trying to find them in there. Yeah. I don't know how I do it back.

It's in. And I literally like pulled up for her on Google. And she goes, oh, okay. Okay. And I was like, yeah.

I was like, they use it for like the bookers.

“Like, that's what I'm pretty sure that's what you get sent home with.”

Yeah. I'm not an expert on it. So I don't know. And that did make me feel certain way. I remember after that.

I still hadn't talked to my mom at that point. Like, alone. Then my mom started to hit lunchtime. So I'm almost like, let me make you guys some food. We have left over on this.

And chicken. And you know, let me make you guys some food. Um, you guys can sit down and eat. So we went and we sat down and we started to eat. Like, she was making us food and we started to get into other conversations.

Just about like, like, like, our life and stuff like that. I think at one point we asked her like about her mom. And she kind of told her, told us that like her mom passed away from breast cancer. And she told us like how, you know, encouraged like how much like pain her mom was in. And it was really sad, honestly.

Like I, she's, she cried. I cried. My mom cried. Like, it was just a really sad moment because, you know, she was like, I wish like my mom could be here to like, yeah.

Be with me and like go through this with me. She's like, you're so lucky like to have a mom. And then things started to like take a turn. Not like, not like a turn. But I started to feel, this is when I started to really feel certain ways with her.

Because she started to like mimic my life. So like, I would say something like for an example. I got arrested for for hitting my mom. Being her gone to a fight. It wasn't like a really bad altercation.

But I did, I did like get in trouble. And so I got arrested for it. And all of a sudden, like, she had the exact same story. And it was like to a T though. Like, it wasn't, it was almost exactly like it.

Or, you know, I, when I was like 14, Like, I jumped out my nonos window and ran away for like a week. And like, she was like, oh my gosh, I did the exact same thing. Like, I went, and it was just everything was like, You know, hearing everything.

She was mirroring everything that I did. Everything like anything like anything that I, We talked about that we were joking about from like when I was younger. It was, she had the exact same story. Had she done that in the past when you guys were texting and talking?

Or was this more amplified now that she was at your house? This is way more amplified. I think the way I was feeling at my house wasn't the same way. Like, I felt like throughout our whole conversations. So you felt as soon as I was off,

Were you feeling scared? Or were you feeling more like, this girl feels like a stalker? Like a weirdo annoyed. I thought she was weird. I thought she was weird.

But she would, and then she would stop.

Thank you guys so much.

Like, you guys are such like great people.

Like, the hospitality, like, I wish my family was more welcoming like this. Like, she kind of, she, she played with my, Like, with my heartstrings, really. Yeah. She kept on like trying to like, it made me feel uneasy.

But then she was like, really me back in. To like, real or girl, like, she just needs someone to care for her. Yes. And so, and there was this one thing that kept happening. She kept having somebody call her.

And she would talk to them in Spanish. And my mom understands Spanish. Unfortunately, we don't, they just didn't pass it on. They just didn't teach us. But my mom understands Spanish.

So like, she would hear her talk.

“And I think at one point there was a joke that was made.”

And she giggled. And my mom and she looked at my mom and was like, You understand Spanish? And she was like, yeah, like I understand. Like, I don't speak fluently.

And she was like, oh. So then like, all her conversations sort of happening everywhere. Like, she would take the overtime phone call come in. She would leave the room.

And she would go somewhere else to have this conversation.

Oh, wow. I'm just making notes as we're talking because I want to come back to that. Yeah. So that was really odd and weird. But at the same time, I'm going to kind of reel that back in.

It's weird hindsight 2020. Yeah. But at that moment, think about us. Like, if I'm an important conversation, you speak English. I speak English.

I maybe don't want you to hear what's going on. So I'm going to take the time. I'm going to take the conversation in a different, different room. Uh-huh. So I just thought, oh, okay.

Like, whatever's going on. She needs to pay for it. Yes. So she went to go take her phone call. And I remember doing dishes in my mom.

And I looked at her and I said, what do you think about her mom? She goes, oh, she's nice. And I said, you don't think she's weird. Like, I think she's weird. And she was like, well, what do you-- why do you think she's weird?

I said, I feel like she's like mimicking me. Like, she wants my life. I don't know. I was like, I'm just getting this weird feeling about her that, like, she's-- I don't know if like things are being made up or--

And she was like, Angelic, like, I understand.

“She goes, you need to understand though.”

Like, she doesn't have a mom. She's new to a town. You know, she probably feels like uneasy. She'd be even being here. Like, you can tell that she's a good person.

And I think she just really wants to be your friend. And I think you're doing a great thing by being her friend. And being there for her. So my mom kind of made me, as a mom would, would bring me down from, like, how I'm feeling.

Yeah. And I thought, like, Angelic, you're such-- you're like, you're being a bitch. Like, you're kind of just being a mean girl now. Like, so I felt like, okay, I need to take a step back and realize that this girl has gone through a lot in her life.

And maybe she doesn't have a mom or dad. And she's kind of, like, obviously, whatever's going on in her life.

This husband of hers isn't, like, amazing.

They fight all the time. She lost a little bit. She's a lost soul. It's kind of, like, how I saw it. So I was, like, okay, not every friendship is perfect.

And maybe she's not going to be, like, my best friend or, like, somebody super close. But I can be friendly with her. So that's how my mindset was, like, continuing the rest of the day. Okay.

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She asked me if I would go for a walk with her." So when she returned back from talking to somebody, she was like, "So I saw that there was a park down the street. She was like, "Do you want to go for a walk?" And I was like, "Oh, no, girl."

I just ate. Like, I don't feel good. Like, I'm nine months pregnant. Yeah, I'm not going for a walk to the park. Yeah, I was like, "I'm not going to do that.

I just don't want to." And she was like, "Oh, like, it'll be really nice. You kept trying to push me to do it." And I was like, "I don't want to." And I feel like at that time, I started,

we went back to the couch. And at that point, I started to like, bake yon. To like, hopefully get her the hint. To be like, time for you to get out. To be like, time for you to leave.

Yeah. Like, I just, it was, even though my mom made me feel better. Like, I was done hosting. Yeah. At that point, I really was tired.

Yeah. No, I believe it. Tapped out. Yeah. I was tapped out.

Like, I wanted to stop. So then I just started like, "Fake yawning." And then I was like, "Oh, like, I'm so tired." And she was like, "Oh, I'm so sorry." Like, my sister, I don't have a key to the house.

My sister's not going to be home to later tonight. I hope it's okay that I stay here. And then I was like, darn it. Yeah. I was like, "Oh, man."

Okay. You're all sure.

“Can I just go in my room and then I'll close the door and let go to sleep?”

Like, can you, my mom hang out? Yeah. And just let me know what happened. And I'll be back. Yeah.

So then I was like, "Crab, okay." And you'll like, "Put your big girl hip hands on. You still have to host." Like, "Let's now watch more teen moms." Yeah.

So we started watching more TV. But she had asked me, again, if I would go, like, wanted to go for another walk. And I was like, "No, I really don't want to." Then she tried to bribe me into coming to her house. She goes, "Well, I can make you cookies."

And I was like, "I don't like cookies." I was like, "I thought you'd have a key."

Yeah. Exactly.

Actually now that you're saying, I've never even thought about that.

Now that you're saying that. That is a full circle that I've never even thought about. But yeah, she kept on trying to get me. What if we go back to my house or like, I can make you, like, you know, your favorite meal, your favorite dish.

Like, and I was like, "No, I'm not full." You're all I'm here. My mom just made food for us. She's trying to get you alone. She's trying to get me alone.

And I don't think she anticipated my whole family being home the whole day.

“So that's why it felt like now looking back to you.”

There were points where she kept trying to get me to leave. But I kept shutting it down. And at some point, she finally took the hint. Like, we're not going anywhere. So now it's about, I really think we just had on the couch for hours to be honest.

Because I can't really remember, there was nothing else that stood out to me, except for watching TV the whole day. And then it started to hit like four o'clock. And at five, I think it's like my brother's football practices. Okay.

So I do remember my mom saying, like, "Hey girls, like, we have football practice. Like, we're going to go to Bacana. You know, I know, because Andrew, you've talked about, like, going for a walk. Like, "anch, like, what do you think? Like, what if I just take you guys to the park?"

And you guys can go for like a small walk.

If you feel tired, I'll bring you back home.

And I was like, you know what? Yeah, you know what I could do that. Like, I'm feeling better now. Like, I'm not full. Like, let's go for a walk.

Like, 'cause Andrew, do you want to go do that? Like, since you, you know, been pushing for it? You've been pushing to get out? Yeah. And she was like, you know what?

I don't feel good. Is it okay if we just stay here? And I was like, that is fine. Mom, she's not, I mean, we're just trading places now. Yeah.

I understand where you're coming from because I felt like that earlier. So I was like, "Mom, you know what? You guys go ahead. We're going to stay home. 'Cause Andrew, I'll meet you in nails.

“Like, I have some, you know, new nail polishes.”

And she was like, "That'd be great." So my mom left. And I started both your brothers. She took both my brothers. And she took both my brothers to you and Cassandra in the house.

Yeah, it is now just me and Cassandra at the house. It's about five, thirty is. Okay.

And I pull out all my nail stuff.

I have my filing stuff. And I sit there and I'm starting to like, file my nails. And then she goes, "You're gifts." And that this point, my parents had, like, my mom left. Everybody was gone.

And she was like, "You're gifts. I want to give you your gifts." And I was like, "Oh, forgot about those things." Like, I didn't even, like, that's the whole point that, like, the reason why she came.

Yeah. I completely honestly forgot. I'm doing my nails and she tells me about the gift. So I'm like, "Okay, let's go ahead and do these gifts." She pulls out my chair from my kitchen and puts it in the middle of my kitchen.

And goes, "Okay. Sit in the chair, turn around and close your eyes." And I'm like, like, she was going to surprise you with them. Yes, I'm saying. And I was like, "Oh, okay."

And so like, I literally, I'm in the middle of my kitchen. I'm sitting in a chair just like this. And I'm sitting there like this with my back turned to her. And one by one, she would come up and then she would come over my head. And like, a gift would get dropped in my lap.

And so like, I would get the gift and I would open it. And it would be like, a baby onesy. And then again, she would come back, drop something else in my lap, a new board, like a blanket. This is so weird.

Oh, so weird. I can't, like, who does this? If I was just sitting in the middle of the kitchen. And if my friend was like, "I'm just going to drop it with one by one and you're like, from behind me, what game is this?"

That is what I mean though. Like, when people ask me, like, "What do you mean she was weird?" I'm like, you don't understand. It's weird. It's weird.

It's not. But it's weird. It's weird. And I don't know, like, you know, like, when you're in high school, you were just like, you're weird though.

Yeah. Like, it didn't necessarily mean that you're going to come kill me. It just meant like, you're weird though. Yeah. Like, you only know what that terminology is if you used it before.

Exactly. And this was just a weird moment. But I will say the gifts were coming. Like, the gifts were coming. Like, they were, they were all.

I'm just going to taste it now. And I remember opening it. But when I opened it, I remember taking like a big whiff of it. And like, it just reaped, like, hello. Like, the ones he did.

All of it did. Like, the ones he, the newborn blanket, the, like, the receiving blanket. There was, like, a, like, a pajama set. Were they, did they have tags on them? Were they wrapped?

So you were just wrapped? Like wrapped, um, not like in. Like in tissue paper. Okay. So even the black, it's black, black, it's the blanket.

They weren't in, like, you know how sometimes they come in like a plastic. 'Cause zipper case type thing. They weren't in anything. They didn't have the cardboard on the corner. Nothing.

Nothing. So I had insulin come to the conclusion that they were all hammered down. Which, okay. My mom had taught me that you don't throw a fit. You just, exactly what you get.

Yeah. And just you be happy about it. You don't say anything. Even if you don't like it. You pretend to be cool.

You're grateful for what you get. Mm-hmm. So that's how I was raised. And that's how I took it.

“So I am sitting here thinking, my head, like, what is going on?”

But like, their gifts. They are real things that are happening. Yeah. And it just kept, it was very, it felt like it was in slow motion though because it just felt like she was walking and then dropping it into my lap.

And then like, I would open it. I feel like, oh my gosh, this is so cute. Thank you. She goes, okay. I'm going with the next one.

Would you turn around and say, thank you to her and like do it. You would just stay with your back to her make. Oh my god. This is so cute. Thank you.

And then just kind of like, wait from the next one. Yes. And then just sit there. And I was just, she was, it felt like slowmo. But I mean, she was coming to the point periodically.

Like, where I was at, like, the gifts were just coming. How many gifts were there?

So there was a baby blanket.

And there was a baby blanket. There was a receiving blanket. There was a newborn onesy. There was a pajama set. There was booties, a beanie.

That might have been it. And they were all individually wrapped. All individually wrapped. Okay. So six different gifts that are getting dropped on your lap.

One after another. One after another. Okay. So then what was the last gift? So there was actually like two last gifts.

“So there was this, there was, I remember turning around.”

So after I got the last one, I turned around. And I kind of like turned this way. Like, where my body was on the side. And I was like, like, right, I could see her. And I was like, thank you so much.

Like, these are also cute. Like, I really appreciate it. And she goes, "Wait, wait, wait. I also has something else for you." And I was like, "Okay."

So she reaches into the bag. And she pulls out like a baby, like a, like a, like a, like a baby wearing. Oh, like a baby, Bjorn type, like, yes. But they wear it. Yeah, a baby carrier.

Yeah, a baby carrier. Okay.

So when I say baby carrier, everybody thinks I'm talking about like a baby.

Like, because the car is a chain. Like the one you wear on your body. Like the front back back back. Exactly. And if you were back in 2011, we didn't have what everybody else has.

There's so many cute brands. It was just like generic. You know, it was a, it was one from baby, from, by, babies are us. Okay. It was a generic black one that probably cost about like $80.

Yeah. That made me feel uncomfortable because I had felt, I knew how much that was. Because we went to the bus together. And you had made the registries together. Yeah.

So I knew how much that was. And was that wrapped or now? That was not wrapped. That was just in the bag. So she holds it up.

She says something else for you. While you're halfway turned. Yes. Okay. And I felt uncomfortable because I knew how much that was.

I knew that she didn't work. I knew like kind of like her, like, like, like, like, like, how did you get this? And I told her I can't accept this. And she was like, why? And I was like, because I know this cost a lot of money.

And I, I, I, I, I, I tell her this.

But like, we're not on that type of friendship.

“Where I feel like you should be giving me like all, like, yeah.”

But what you gave me was enough. Thank you. Yeah. That was so bad about it. But she told me, and no, she's like, I already had my baby shower.

This is actually a duplicate. I got two of them. And then I was like, oh, okay. Okay. Well, she said that.

I'll take it. Yeah. So I ended up being like, I was grateful. Like at that point. I was like, oh, cool.

Thank you. And I did, I did forget something. At one point, she did ask me if there was something I didn't get when we were sitting on the couch. She asked me if there was something I didn't get for my baby shower that I wanted. And I said, you know what?

This is going to sound so stupid. But you know, there's like, infermerscholes, like, where they show, like, the little pet, Hello pet, and it shines on the ceiling. Oh, and it shows like the lights and plays like a lullaby. And she was like, yeah, I said, I really wanted one of those.

And I didn't get one. Like, I was like, that's probably the only thing that, like, I didn't get that, like, I really Honestly wanted. So she used that because the very last gift she goes, I have one last present for you. And I was like, okay.

She goes, but I have to show you in the dark. And I was like, oh, why? She goes, it's a special surprise. And she goes, it's something you really wanted. I go, no, you did it.

She goes, yes, I did. She goes, I saw it.

“Like, she was basically stating, like, it was on my baby registry.”

Like, she was like, I, but I, but I, but I had it specially made for Ryland. And I was like, oh, she was like, yeah. So I want to show you though, because you can only see it in the dark. And at this point, it was probably hitting about, like, six o'clock.

So the sun was coming down. Mm-hmm. It was getting dark in the house. And so I was like, okay. So we end up going back to my room.

So you get up off the chair. You guys are walking through the kitchen back to your bedroom. Yes. Who's in front? She's in front of me.

Okay. So you're following behind? Yes, I'm following behind her. We go into the room. And she tells me the kind of the same thing.

Not to sit down and turn around and close my eyes. But to turn around and close my eyes. So she, the way the way I can visually tell you guys is like, when you walk into my room, picture walking in, the left hand side is a closet.

Here's just like a walk in closet or like double door closet. Double door closet. Okay. We'll like the sliding. And then so like you're walking this way.

Like there's just like a wall right here. And then my bed's right here. Okay. So and then like behind my bed is just like another area. You can walk like walking space like this.

Yeah. And then right here would be my. Um. My dresser. So it's a really small room.

Okay. So I'm standing like this where I do the bed in the closet. Yes. And facing the wall. Face it.

The wall or the closet. The wall. And then the closet. It would be on my left hand side. And then on the bed on my right hand side.

Okay. So you're facing the wall straight ahead. So you're facing the wall. So you're facing the wall. So you're facing the wall.

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And then you're facing the wall. And then she was like, yeah. And I sit there. And all of a sudden the voice comes back in my head. You're about to get stabbed. You're about to get stabbed.

And I'm just like. So I literally take my phone out of my pocket. And I put my I kind of have my phone like this. And I go kiss the end of my backs hurting.

I said, I'm going to sit on my bed.

“So remember, the beds on the right hand side.”

The closet on the left hand side. I'm maneuvering my body to sit onto the bed. To where now you're facing the closet. And I can see her. Okay.

To a sense. Sure. It's in the dark. But I can still see like her shadows. Okay.

And so I'm like my back hurts really bad. I'm going to sit on this bed. So I sit on the bed where I can see her.

And I'm feeling a little bit better because I can see her.

Yeah. But then all of a sudden she goes, okay. I'm going to get behind you. And I'm like, why? She goes, I'm going to put the light over your head.

And it's going to shine onto your closet. And you'll see the name. And I was like, okay. So she does it. She gets behind me on the bed.

And now all of a sudden it's like.

“Is she on the bed or just right behind in that standing?”

She's on the bed. Okay. So behind me. So I'm, I'm sitting on the edge of my bed. And now she's physically got on behind my bed.

On the mattress. On the mattress. And she's physically behind me. I could feel her, like, like, I could feel her, like, behind me. And all of a sudden I get, like, these feelings of like, your endanger, your endanger.

You're about to be stabbed. You're about to be stabbed. And I'm just kind of like, like, just looking around my room. And then I grabbed my phone. I put my mom's phone number in it.

And I hold it to my chest. And the thought of my head was so eerie. And I kept telling myself if something bad happens to me. And my mom could hear a voice smell of me screaming or can figure out. Like, I had went so into depth of dying that, like, but I couldn't.

And I couldn't really understand, like, what was happening at that time. Like, and the way I'm telling it to you guys, it feels like we were probably sitting there for, like, minutes. This was like happening in, like, 45 seconds. Like, this all happened in very, very fast pace.

“So finally, I go Cassandra, are you going to show me?”

And she goes, yes. And she puts one hand on my shoulder on my left hand shoulder. And she leans me forward. So much that my stomach is huge that I can't breathe. And she goes one, two.

All right. So we are going to pause the story right here, which I know that is a major cliffhanger. I get it. But trust me, you are going to want to hear what happens next.

And don't worry. Part two for the audio version is already available right now, wherever you're listening to this podcast. So you can just jump straight into it. You can listen to part two.

We just wanted to break it up because it is such a long episode. But if you prefer to watch the full video interview, the entire conversation is available right now on YouTube. It isn't split into two parts either. It's just one really long episode.

So go check that out on the video version if you want that. And we are going to pick right back up where we left off in part two. [BLANK_AUDIO]