435: 163 Kids Found in FL, Lindsay Clancy Verdict, Montana Family Annihilator & Girl Hires BF to Kill Mom

Hello, hello, hello, welcome back to an all new episode of Serialist League.

With me, your true crime bestie and your host, Annie Elise, happy Thursday as you know, Thursdays are headline highlights days where we're going through everything that is happening in true crime this week. A deep dive did come out on Monday. It was all about the Philly House of Horrors Eugene Horsh, which talked about the ultimate

jump scare. If you see his face and his dad's face, but I know so many of you have been asking for coverage on that. Like that he may be the United States worst serial killer in over 50 years. So, you know, doing what we do over here had to like dig through newspaper clippings archival

and I get the backstory on not only Eugene, but also his disgusting ass dad. And so I released that deep dive for you on Monday. Go take a listen. You probably from my audio listeners will also want to check out the YouTube video version though because you've got to see these photos. It is like jump scare, mania, but that was

the deep dive Monday. Today, it's headline highlights as I said, lots to go over.

We have Lindsey Clancy verdict the deadlocked jury on Tuesday so much to discuss.

We unfortunately somehow have a new family and I a later case out of Billings Montana. You have also been asking that I dig into the 163 kids that were found in Florida. We're digging into that. And I actually tasked that on my expert guest host, ultimate Frisbee champion, Amy Colette. Hello, good morning.

“Now, if you don't understand that reference, it's because you need to listen the last”

weeks episode. And for the record, I don't play for his beef. You should. Annie wants to. Apparently it's a good exercise thing.

I actually was going to tell you, we haven't talked about this yet. I don't know if you saw the comments on YouTube from last week's episode, a lot of people were surprised that we are actually sisters. No, I know. And so maybe it's a lot of new listeners who are understanding, but yes, guys, we are sisters.

She's the older one. Barely. Barely every year. Barely. And I remember for a long time, people that were twins, obviously not with our hair right

now. But how did they not even know her sister? Now, they're all, you guys sound like her new sisters and people were like schooling them. Of course, there's there's there's but yes, we are sisters and biologically sisters. Not just sisters.

Not just best friends. Yeah. So I have tasked you today, or not today, but like before, but you're going to cover that story, because I just need a mental break for a minute. And I know it's wild, but I got to.

Lots to do. And we also both have our foot up on the table right now. We're both wearing these exact same shoes. What's happening? So that happened last week, and that was before I knew we were filming in the new set.

And you were going to see my feet. But then I was like, these are the perfect shoes, because today I actually had open toe shoes. And I feel like we don't need a foot finder. This is not only fantastic, but we should be sponsored by Lusso.

Lusso, where's our boy Chris noise? Exactly. Sponsored. Sponsored. No, it's my brother's best friends company.

I told you guys about them before.

But they basically weren't they modeled after?

There you go. There's a toast.

“weren't they modeled after the four seasons, slippery?”

Yes. And so they're like this waffle. Look at me doing it. It's sponsored. It's not even sponsored.

Go ahead. Zoom in. No. They're like this waffle material. They're slip on shoes.

And they are so padded and comfy. I have them in every color. And they're the best to fly in, because my feet swell up. OK. I need to go that far.

There was something else. Oh, yeah. The sister comment, I told you before we started recording that I have a social media reel. I want to film with you.

Yeah. I'm not going to tell you what is ahead of time, but we'll post it. And we will see just how Simpatico, we are. OK. The press is on.

OK. So let's start. We have obviously so much to go over today. So let's start. And I'm getting ahead of myself.

I also at the end of this episode, I'm going to talk to you about my commiller, because if you have watched death of the pastor's wife, and I know so many of you have. We've got to talk about that. I have been need deep in that case for years now, and it's wild, but I have a lot of thoughts. So anyway, let's start though with an update in the Lily Peters case.

“And I don't remember if we talked about this last week or the week prior, but I want”

to give you an update in this case, and it's the case of 10-year-old Lily Peters.

Now, like I said, if you remember this case, we recently talked about it, because there was

“another update, but and I have a deep dive coming back out in the next couple of weeks, where”

you'll be able to hear the full story start to finish. But Lily was killed on April 24th, 2022, after she was walking home to her house with her 14-year-old cousin Carson. Carson and Lily were going back to Lily's house when he asked her to leave the trail that they were on.

Go explore the woods. She followed him. He was older than her, and you know, it was her cousin, and she trusted him. Lily was on her bike, Carson was on his hoverboard. But then once they were away from that trail and in the wooded area, he attacked her.

He knocked her in the stomach, knocked her to the ground, struck her in the head, ultimately

strangled her to death, and then allegedly sexually assaulted Lily's body after she was dead. Only 10 years old. Just sick. So he got scared, like little bitch that he is, and immediately ran away, ran home, and

pretended that he didn't know where she was, or what happened. He showered, he cleaned his clothes, and then he eventually returned to the scene, and he covered his little cousin's body with leaves. Lily's father had reported her missing that night after she didn't come home by 9 p.m. and then two hours later, her bike was found abandoned in the woods.

The next morning during a volunteer search party, they found Lily's partially unclothed body. So her death was ruled as a homicide via blood force trauma and strangulation.

So Carson was arrested two days later, and then he was charged with first degree intentional

homicide and sexual assault. Authorities said that he had confessed and told investigators that the killing and the sexually assaulting Lily had been his plan all along. This wasn't some spur of the moment. Crime of opportunity.

Crime of fashion. It was something that he had been planning. Now Carson was 14 years old at the time. Okay. Like born bad, diabolical, disgusting evil human being.

However, in January of 2024, it was determined that he would be tried as an adult. Which, thank God, we love that for him, right? So his trial was scheduled to take place in November of this year. However, as the update was a couple weeks ago, in the whole point, I gave you the update

is because we learned that the trial may never happen.

They announced that there was a resolution hearing that was going to be held on August 26th. However, because the court records were sealed based on his minor status based on the case itself, we didn't know what that actually meant.

“I think in my that episode, I said, I bet he's having a, you know, a plea agreement.”

He's going to plead guilty either to a lesser charge or to something. He doesn't want to be tried as an adult and have like this adult sentence. That's most likely what's going to happen. And sure enough, now that that hearing has happened, we know. So last Wednesday on August 26th, he pleaded guilty to first degree intentional homicide

as part of his plea agreement. But here is what really pisses me off for a multitude of reasons. And I actually fly off a handle in my deep dive wish, like, you know, how I knew when I run on a tangent, but couldn't hold back in exchange for his guilty plea. They actually removed the two sexual assault charges.

They were dismissed. I know. And so the charges were, quote, read in, which means that while Carson wasn't convicted of those charges, he acknowledged that the judge could consider the allegations when determining his sentence.

But basically getting thrown a huge bone in this situation and the sentence he got while it wasn't light, I personally do not believe that it was just. He was sentenced to life in prison. However, he has the possibility of extended supervision after 25 years. He was also given credit for the four years roughly that he has already spent in custody,

which take a listen to this sentence.

“All right, then to the charge of first degree, intentional homicide, how do you plead?”

guilty? How do you plead? guilty? Well, there's sentencing factors, the court takes into consideration, gravity of the fence. I can think of no more serious offense in the world in first degree in potential homicide.

It's a class A felony, character of the defendant and the need for her rehabilitation. You were 14 when you committed this. Obviously there's a need for rehabilitation. The public needs to be protected. This was a first degree intentional homicide while you were a minor when you committed it.

It is still a very serious offense and it shook this community. So what I am going to do is I'm going to sentence you to life in prison with the eligibility

So he was also ordered to pay a little over $30,000 in restitution. Now that whole extended supervision thing kind of sounds like parole, but it's not quite that. It's a little bit different.

Basically, when inmates are given a chance at parole, a commission's board decides

if they should be let out based on their prison life, right? If they've had good behavior, what their file looks like and everything that has happened while they've been incarcerated. Also if they've picked up any new charges, fights in the prison, other things, you know, whatever it may be.

In an extended release case, Carson will have to file a formal petition with the court and then go before a judge who then will ultimately decide if he can prove that he is no longer a risk to the public. Also with parole, it's usually for a certain amount of time that the parole board gets to decide, you know, one year or five years.

And then if they violate parole, they get re-arrested or they get re-arrested on new charges. It kind of like kicks back into gear. But for Carson, if he is ever granted extended release, he will be under supervision for the rest of his life. And if he breaks even one rule, then he goes straight back to prison and he will carry out

the rest of his sentence, which that gives me a little bit of comfort, I guess.

“The fact that like, oh, you have to really be a model citizen for the rest of your life”

or your ass is going back in the slammer.

But I mean, after four years of waiting for this case to finally go to trial, we now know

there will not be a trial. And he's pled guilty to killing Lily. He's going to spend, hopefully, the rest of his life in prison, but where I get hung up is is this justice for Lily's family, or here's where I get even more hung up. The fact that the sexual assault charges were dismissed because of the plea agreement.

Does that mean if he's ever on supervised release, he won't be on the registry. That's exactly what I was talking about. He won't have any sort of repercussions. It's going to absolve him of doing that also from a-- Can you work at a school, right? And for a from a family's perspective, God forbid if

we were in that situation, I would think, oh, so you're acknowledging that he killed her, but you're not acknowledging what he did to her dead body and how he desecrated her memory, her body, her remains, like, that's just as important in all of this with the sentencing and accountability and justice.

“And so I get while plea agreements, you have to-- it's like, give and take a little bit.”

This really pissed me the fuck off. I was going to say, I think if the sentence were a little lighter and that happened, it would be extremely frustrating and upsetting, but I don't know the details as well as you did. So if there was a chance that if they didn't do the plea and move forward that the sentence

could be lighter, then I think as a family, I would probably because that's a family member. So that's kind of wild. I would want them to be away from me as long as possible. And if that meant removing a charge to make sure they're locked up, I don't think that it would be lighter because he was being tried as an adult.

He already had confessed and admitted. His DNA, I believe, was inside of Lily. It was a slam-down case. He did have a lot of family members initially going to bat for him and trying to, like, you know, he's, he's great.

He's innocent, very aid in sushi, ilk, or elk, or whatever the fuck you say. I don't know what the decision was here and why they did that. But when you think the math of it all, he's 20 years old now. No, he's 18 years old now, whatever, 18, 19.

“He'll be, if he gets supervised release, that he'll be 45 years old, okay?”

And he can still have a family, he can still have a career, he can still have a life. And while yes, he has to be on his best behavior because he'll get thrown back in. If he, you know, does anything wrong, still, how is that fair when this 10-year-old girl was brutalized by her own flesh and blood? So why do they offer an option of plea?

I usually for a lot of reasons. Sometimes it's to save the family members, like the heartache of going through the trial. Sometimes it's because the resources it's going to take or the state for some reason doesn't feel that they can prove their case and get a rock solid conviction, which, again, I don't think is the case here.

And the family wouldn't have had the sign off on it. No, no.

Usually, sometimes they have the family way in, but ultimately, I mean, hello.

Look at what happened in Idaho. So like I said, that deep dive is coming, but I just want to warn you guys, very passionate. I recently recorded it and I, I don't believe you, it's a really hard thing. Like, and yeah, I mean, sexual assault on its face is like disgusting, regardless how it happens when it happens and who it happens by, but then the necrophilia aspect of it all,

which, like, not to get, like, overly graphic, I think she wasn't like cold and in a morgue, but like, no, post-mortem. Like, do you think you're family? It's your cousin. Yes.

We're so close with our cousins. They're, like, brothers. And you have these urges at 14 years old, like, I know guys have urges at 14 years old.

Yeah. Straight to jail. For life. Straight to prison. Yes.

Okay. Ooh. I'm going to give you a breather.

“Um, this is the one that you guys have been asking a lot about if broke last week and”

a shocking, but thankfully in a good way, yeah, some regard. So last week, it was announced that over the course of five days, law enforcement across Florida, back in Florida, found 163 missing children in just one of the largest child recovery operations in all of US history. And it's the biggest one that Florida has ever done.

It was called Operation statewide shield and the goal was pretty simple. It was to find missing kids who were missing endangered had run away and get them somewhere safe. And investigators were then taking the information from these missing persons cases and figuring out where these kids might be and then sending officers out to then actually find them.

And they were finding them all over the place. There were 46 children found in the Tampa Bay area, 41 in Miami, 32 in Jacksonville, 21 in Orlando, 12 in Fort Myers, eight in Pensacola and three in Tallahassee. So they were all over the state. And it wasn't just kids who are missing somewhere in Florida, authorities say that some

“of these children were also found in six other states, one US territory and even 12 different”

countries, which is wild to think of how widespread this was. And the kids range an age from just two months old to 17 years old and officials say many of them had experienced some level of neglect, exploitation, or had been exposed to some sort of criminal activity. And you can actually take a listen to that press conference here.

How are these kids missing in the first place?

It really does run the gamut. We've got some relatives or distant relatives that will kidnap or get into custody battles over kids. You have some foster care situations, unfortunately kids are abused. You get some kids that are neglected that run away, that turn to drugs.

You get kids that fall victim to, you know, pimps that push them into prostitution, that run trafficking rings. Really all the above. It's pretty sad situation.

“We, you know, we will have a lot of arrests and more information to come.”

That's probably as specific as I can get at this point. And so once they were found, they were taken to recovery hubs where they could actually get some medical care, help from child welfare workers, social services, and victim advocates.

Basically, people could really figure out what exactly these children needed and help place

them with the right professionals to try to get them that specific care. Florida has actually done quite a few big operations like this before. Operation Dragon Eye found 60 missing kids in 2025, an operation home for the holidays found more than 120, but this time less than a year after those two other operations, they found an additional 163 kids, which to me, I mean, I don't know about you.

That sounds like a lot. You just had these two big operations in the same state. And now you're finding, when I heard 163, that number to me was like staggering. Well, yes, and especially with where it's connected and like the arrests, which I know you're going to get.

But like, yeah, it's wild. It's a lot of kids. I'm getting to that now. Get to it. Get to it.

Well, of course, there were arrests in all of this. Thank God. Three initial arrests have been announced as of right now, which three felt like not very

many when I first read that.

The first was Robert Feral Allison, who was arrested by the Lee County Sheriff's Office on August 20th and charged with loot and lascivious battery on a victim between 12 and 16 years old. Then on August 21st, the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office arrested Michael Prescott, who was charged with three counts of loot and lascivious acts with a minor felony battery and aggravated

assault. He also has a warrant for interference with child custody. And then the third person, Jayden Allen Harwood was also reportedly charged with interference in a child custody case and resisting officers without violence. So that I'm wondering, is there some familial, yeah, there's some weirdness connection there.

So obviously, with only these three arrests so far, there's going to be more to come. And there are still several open investigations connected to the operation. And of course, investigators are only scratching the surface at this point with that many children across that many counties and countries and even states. I'm sure they're going to find a lot more.

But aside from the arrests, the fact that there were, like we said, 163 kids found in five days is a huge deal and a huge accomplishment that I don't think is really being talked about enough somewhere, even literally babies, of course, up to teenagers.

long and hopefully other states are learning from this and are going to have some organizations

“like this where they're going out and searching as well because clearly there's a need”

for it. Which is crazy. So thankfully, they're all in the hands of people who can help them now and hopefully they can help rehabilitate them and get them into some safe environments. I have thoughts.

Give them to me. I'm going to lose my mind right now. So bear with me. There's two things that really pissed me off this weekend, one this case, but more so because people who are posting about this case and not credible news organizations, some, but more

of like, you know how you'll get in your feet like on either Instagram or on TikTok, like

random news updates where it's like a clip and it looks like breaking news. The amount of times I saw this headline, but the footage that was being clipped with it, were not the children being rescued, but the children from like aerial castros have. And the one woman, her name is leaving me apologize who had the pandas and was up in the attic and all of these things to almost sensationalize it and make it look nothing, make

it look worse and it is, but to have more very heavy graphics along with it to where people thought these were the children being rescued and these were the conditions they were living in. But it was really distasteful and gross, like the story is bad enough. You don't need to, you know, sensationalize it and put all of these images and retraumatize

these victims who have now been saved all over again, that made me mad. The second thing that made me mad is our friend Greg at CRC, Child Rescue Coalition.

“I think I talked with you guys about them on the podcast.”

If I haven't, they are a fantastic organization that we've partnered with, they have developed

this amazing technology where not only can they track predators as they are exchanging

explicit material and sharing material on the web, but they can track the IP address. They share it with local law enforcement. They help aid in the arrest and it's just unbelievable and I cannot speak highly enough about them, but Greg made a post that, and I don't know the exact details, but that basically we are now taking a step backward with in law enforcement to where certain people or

certain charges of AI related material is not going to be charged adversely and because it's not a real victim, because it's not a real image and that made me really mad. Because from tons of reasons, it looks like real material first and foremost and it's different if somebody takes somebody's face and photoshobs it on, but if it's actually just AI-generated, that's where this argument is coming from or I should say this decision

is coming from, but here's where I don't like this. It then normalizes it because if there's no sort of repercussions for looking at that material, creating that material, sharing that material, then it's going to continue to be circulated. People are going to start not becoming necessarily desensitized to it, but after you see something enough times, it becomes a bit normalized in a sense and one who's to say,

"Where's the boundary there?" because what if they take an image of your child and use AI to enhance it and make modifications, but it's still very much.

“I think then they can charge, but if it's just like somebody going in AI and creating it”

with problems. Play this plot and little girl with pig tails and yeah, then it's not, quote, a real victim. But then it's like, if you're able to continue to share and do all this, it's all over the place. Potentially sell it.

Yes, it's like you're normalizing it, you're accepting it. You probably are desensitizing a bit to it and it's only a matter of time before you take it a step further. Yes, exactly. And so I know we've talked about this at nauseam for years, but it's like, law is catching

up very slowly with technology and so I know a lot of people are pushing back on this. I know there's a lot of stuff happening on the hill of people trying to fight this and do things like that. But it is very disheartening and when I saw that, I was like, we are taking literally 20 steps backwards and if we can't even enforce the law on that right now in this moment

when AI is used for literally everything, where are we going to be when the law catches up in three or five years, hopefully, and how much further progress will AI be at that point. And it's not only just how normalized it is, it's like, then it can also get in the hands of people far younger and just, I mean, there's so many problems with it.

Yes. That's really just hard. I know. You guys should definitely check out child rescue coalition if you haven't and, like, see what they are all about, check out their Instagram, their website.

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So genuine question because I've been horrified by this also and asked you, do you think that people are seeing this happen and like getting the idea and their head and thinking,

“like, then I should do it because how is it that all of the sudden?”

Truly. I don't think people are seeing it and getting the idea because in most cases the murder is being held accountable or has taken their own life and so it's not like they're seeing something that they could get away with like an alpine divorce, for example, but there is certainly an uptick and I don't know if they are getting away with it if they're taken

their own life. Well, yeah, I guess it's a solution to my problem. I would want to talk to a psychologist about it because like part of me wonders during COVID, we saw a huge uptick in child abuse cases and especially with the special needs community because they were at home and the parents couldn't deal.

So part of me wonders is there some sort of element of like summer break and it's too much or these families who have multiple children because most of the families where it's happening, it's like a family of six or eight or it's like these large families. It's not just a husband wife and one child or something like that. I don't know.

“All I know is I feel like there's a new one every single week.”

This one is coming from Billings, Montana, so many of you have DMed me about it so we need to talk about it. So at 60 1 p.m. on Sunday, August 23rd, the Billings Police Department in Montana got a 911 call that reported hearing shots fired inside a home.

When the first officers arrived, they confronted a man outside who was later identified

as 44-year-old Alan Smith. However, like the little coward as he is, he ran back inside the house as soon as they tried to talk to him. Officers then heard gunshots and smoke coming from inside the house. So Alan eventually ran into the backyard where authorities say he then shot himself.

He was taken to the hospital, but he was later pronounced dead. Now within minutes, very similar to the other case we just talked about. The house was completely engulfed in flames. Now because the homes in this neighborhood use wells and not fire hydrants, it took firefighters a long time to figure out like the water situation.

They had to bring water in by truck. They couldn't just hook their hose up to a fire hydrant. So it took a lot longer, obviously, and they ended up fighting the fire for hours.

Finally getting it under control around 1am the following morning.

And then once it was safe enough for the investigators to actually get inside the home, they went in, wanted to see, you know, how many victims there were, what was really going on here, and they discovered something horrific, eight people were dead. According to authorities, before Alan turned to the gun on himself, he had killed his grandmother, his parents, his sister, and her four children, then took his own life.

The victims were 92-year-old Evelyn Smith, Alan's grandmother, his parents, Dana and Barb Smith, his 39-year-old sister, Megan J. Carey, and Megan's four children. 13-year-old Owen, 12-year-old Chloe, 15-year-old Landon, and 12-year-old Charlotte. Now, police have not confirmed yet, which family member made that 911 call because I guess the call did come from inside the house.

It wasn't a neighbor overhearing it, but a neighbor later said that little 12-year-old Charlotte

However, I haven't been able to verify that or confirm that, but what the neighbor said is

that she called 911 saying that she was trying to save her family, which can you even imagine that you're seeing him wipe out your whole family at 12-years-old, you're calling for help because you're like, "He's shooting all of my family members. He's killing everybody."

“It's so awful and herable to think literally, I think, making me cry.”

I know. So as investigators started going through the scene, they found some weapons, but they haven't said what type of gun or guns were used. They also haven't publicly released a motive yet. The sheriff said that investigators do have some idea of what could have prompted the shooting, but their main focus was processing the crime scene.

So as more information than started coming out from family members, it was learned that the home actually belonged to Allen's parents. Allen had been living there with them, but the police say that he had just moved out a few weeks before the killings. Now in most of these cases, we don't usually know the details about why or how things happen. However, in this case, there are some conflicting stories about why he moved

out, why he left the home, and whether that might have actually been his motive for killing his

“entire family. Megan's longtime best friend Kelsey said that Allen left on his own some time”

around the end of July, and that he didn't tell a family where he was going. According to her, Allen didn't have a job, and he didn't have any sort of income. However, the family wasn't particularly worried about him. Megan's ex-husband, however, said that Allen was a hermit, that he spent most of his time on the computer, and that he was asked to leave by the family

a few weeks prior. He said that Allen had attended Eastern Washington University,

and that he had a bachelor's degree, but for whatever reason never seemed to be able to find a

job or hold down a job. He also said that there were in fact warning signs, saying there were many red flags, and many people spoke out, but no one listened. So now investigators are trying to figure out what those red flags exactly were, what really happened in those weeks leading up to the shooting, and what ultimately caused Allen after moving out to go back into that neighborhood, go back into that house, and carry out this mass murder of his family.

Because when you look at the timeline, it is really difficult to wrap your head around. Allen had left the family home. Then he decided to what, show back up in the neighborhood weeks later, someone inside called 911, reporting that shots had been fired, and then eight people, nine, including Allen, ended up dead. So as investigators have continued going through what's left of the home, they have found some reminders of the life that was there before

this horrific tragedy took place. There was a family photo album that was found still mostly

intact as well, which is amazing and a huge miracle. There was a family Bible that was found

almost completely untouched, which is just wild to think about, but just again goes to show that there was a lot of love, a lot of probably faith in this family, and a lot of care for one another. Neighbors have also been bringing investigators water and food as they've continued working their way through the wreckage. Meanwhile, the entire city of Billings is trying to process what happened. The mayor said that it would be very difficult to find someone in a city of about 120,000,

who didn't have some kind of connection to these victims or feel the impact of their deaths. He said that there was at first shock then followed by people who were deeply upset, and then that shock and upset turned to anger. And he said that that's okay, because you're going to feel all of the different emotions as you go through the grieving process, and just not the understanding, but the realization of what has happened. I mean, nobody could have

expected that in this small town that something like this would happen. And I'm sure for everyone directly connected, you know, six degrees of separation, whatever it may be. I'm sure it's a very complicated situation for people to process when it's somebody you either know, know by proxy or our friends with, and it's just incredibly difficult. I mean, before you got into the detail, I was when you started naming who the victims were. I was thinking, "Oh, they're not even his own

children." Like, what could possibly motivate you to kill your nieces and nephews?

“Like, obviously, that's what sent me into tears, but it's like, they're red flags. What are they?”

Yeah. So, you know, is it, he was mad that he got kicked out. Was there already something weird going on that he's on the computer all the time and not holding a job? So, we need to know what those red flags are, so people can act because you're right. It's complicated. It's family. It's hard to speak out, but when there's red flags, you have to speak out. Yeah. I think about his 92-year-old grandmother. She made it her whole life. Oh, I know. Only for this to be her ending, it's, and there's no idea.

It's just why. It is so a whole family. Just, and again, if you're planning to take your own life anyway, why do you have to go to the extent of hurting your whole family who is just innocent bystanders?

pretty horrible too, and also has to do with family. Great. Yeah. This next case is out of

“Delaware County, Ohio. Oh, another Ohio case. Yeah. I know. Florida, and Ohio. Honestly. Yeah. So,”

just after midnight on Friday, August 14th, the deputies in Delaware County, Ohio received a 911 call reporting that someone had been shot. The caller was a man named Neil King, and he said that someone had just shot his wife 55-year-old Tamela Dutcher. Neil had told the dispatcher that he had been watching TV in the basement when he heard a gunshot, and that he had ran upstairs to find her, and when he was looking for her, he heard another shot. This time somewhere near the

dining room, or one of the front rooms. Then he said he heard the door swing open and saw the back of someone running out of the house. You can actually listen to that dispatch call here, shooting. Engine 321. Manic 321. And began in 321. That's the dollar road. That is the call that went out just after midnight for emergency responders to rush to the Dutcher family hole. Doutcon, you know the red. You're going to stay for DCSO.

“There is a possible suspect on foot in the area armed and dangerous. 55-year-old female shot near the”

eye. She is still breathing to try to put pressure. And when first responders arrived, his wife

was rushed to the hospital, but just several hours later, she unfortunately died from her injuries. Investigators then spent the rest of the day inside of the home just trying to figure out exactly what had happened. And at first it looked like just a random intruder had come into the house and shot her. But then detectives started looking at what had happened just hours earlier, and they found out that the person who did this was actually much closer to home. Her 18-year-old daughter Brianna

told investigators that she was cleaning a room in the house with the door shut when she heard the shooting happen. She said she didn't see anyone in the house and that she just heard a sound that quote "made her ears ring." She also said that the front and back doors were usually locked,

but she wasn't sure that that night they were specifically locked. And the only person she thought

that could have maybe possibly done this was a family friend that her mom owed money to. But then her story changed, and she said that the door to the room that she was cleaning was actually open, but that she would have seen someone if they would have walked by her. She also added that she was dating a guy that her parents wouldn't approve of saying that they were quote "very racist" and if they knew he was black they would have kicked her out of the house. And then her story

got even more detailed. Brianna told investigators that just days before the shooting, she and her mom had gotten into an argument over cleaning. Brianna later called her boyfriend 20-year-old Christian Evans to vent about this particular fight. And according to investigators, Christian told her, "If I were you, I would have killed her." What kind of advice? What an idiot. And fighting over cleaning, how many times did Mom yell at us to clean our room

or make her very single day? No, honestly, she still gets mad at me. No, if she like,

“yell at us and we call her where we go, "Man, you should just kill her." Why? Because she asked”

me to do the dishes. And like, red flag. Yeah, like, what do you mean? And also like, not for nothing, but he's 20 years old. Like, you're old enough to know better. It's crazy. Yeah. She also told investigators that Christians roommate 21-year-old DeGemius Payne had previously threatened to kidnap her family and she claimed she was afraid of him, which obviously I would be afraid of someone threatening to kidnap my family. But what? So your boyfriend recommends you killing

your mom because she asked you to clean. And his roommate has threatened to kidnap your family. Like, why are you still dating this guy? And like, why is your boyfriend's roommate threatening to kidnap your family? Right? What is happening in Del-- And where are we Del-- Where are you coming in Ohio? What is happening? So Brianna said that on the night of the shooting, Christian and his roommate had come to the family's home in Christian's car. But Brianna told

Christian that she wasn't going to leave with them because she had responsibilities with the horses on the property. She claimed that the two men then just left and then about 10 to 15 minutes later, that's when she heard that gunshot. Brianna initially denied knowing who is responsible and denied having any involvement at all in her mother's death. But investigators say that that story didn't hold up, obviously. A search of Brianna's phone reportedly recovered deleted text messages

between her and Christian. Messages that prosecutors say showed that the murder had been planned in advance and that they were talking about it just minutes before her mom was shot. In the messages, Christian allegedly wrote things like, "Take them both out at the same time." And this has to be perfect. Brianna also allegedly gave him information about where her parents were

prosecutors say that Christian is the one who brought the gun to the home, but they haven't

“publicly said who it was that actually pulled the trigger. And Neil, Brianna's father, was also”

allegedly targeted. According to prosecutors after her mom was shot, Neil rushed to then help his wife and another shot was fired in his direction. He survived and the bullet reportedly hit a wall instead. So by that afternoon, investigators had identified Christian and Dejemius as suspects and it around 525pm detectives executed a search warrant and arrested both of them. Investigators say they had actually driven away from the area after the shooting and eventually went back to their apartment.

And then there was Brianna. She was initially arrested on a charge of obstruction of justice after investigators accused her of lying about what she actually knew. But then on Monday, August 24th, prosecutors announced that her charges had been upgraded to include murder. All three were later

indicted on aggravated murder charges, and they are each facing a $3 million bond. And there's

still one detail about Brianna's mother that makes this case especially chilling. Listen to this, it's crazy. She was a doctor who years before her daughter was even born co-authored a paper about homicidal adolescents. So basically kids who kill. And the paper was published in 2002 titled The Violent and Homicidal Adolescence. Hearts darkened before time. Oh my god. I got the chills. Right? Oh my god. And that book basically detailed patterns of violence and homicide

amongst young people and listen to this. One of the observations in that paper is that although most young homicidal fenders were boys, the girls that killed were usually killing family members of their own. I just got really nauseous. Could you imagine that? I just got so sick too. But it kind of reminded me, you know, how there's often like social workers or people in that field who then end up adopting or taking care of people that, you know, have come across in their experience of working. And so

it's like, and then those people sometimes are troubled. And they're hurting them. But I mean, still kind of wild because this was her actual daughter. So now investigators say, obviously, it's very ironic that she herself is now being killed by her own daughter. So all of these, so obviously

“all of these three defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty. But I think the writing”

so writings on the wall. So we'll, I'm sure get more details. Are you familiar with the Jennifer Pan case? Yes, it reminds me very much about that. I think we've, I know we've covered it on this podcast, but I think there was a documentary on, I don't know, peacock or Hulu or something over the last

two years where it came out where she basically like enlisted the help or hired her boyfriend.

But I think it was her boyfriend. I think it was her boyfriend. I don't know. The details are a little bit fuzzy, but she orchestrated the entire thing. And I think she was like lying about going to college, she was lying about her school and like accolades and then her parents like found out you're starting to unravel. Or they like emailed the school or received any other or something. And then she planned this whole thing. And then in the video, she's like acting this straw and like she has

no idea. And it's just like diabolical that such young people, which I get it, she was Brianna's 18, but like still you're a young adult that they're capable of such evil. And I can't help but wonder. I know that it's been happening since the dawn of time. Is it because people are being exposed to true crime, more mainstream media now at a younger age, whether it's through documentaries, fiction, whatever it may be, gone, girl, all of these things to wear, there's some sort of like,

I don't know subconscious influence or normalization or to where they like, I don't know. So it will be interesting to hear more about it. So I did read that the attorney for

“I believe it was the boyfriend. See, the boyfriend of the roommate. I think it was the boyfriend”

is trying to say that he's not competent to stand trial. So we'll see what what all that has to do with it. But she seems like she's obvious. I mean, she's 18. She's an adult. But she's also young and she's in love with this guy. And she's afraid of his roommate. But he's that bullshit. Well, she just saying that to the officers, like, ordered he really, I guess, threatened to get her family. Because I'm just thinking, you're hanging out with the wrong people who are advising

you to do this and even putting that thought in your head. And you're 18, you can move out. Granted, I mean, you probably are there for whatever financial reasons, whatever. But it's like, you legally can date whoever you want, live wherever you want. So that seems like a more of a solution. I wonder if she was the driver in this. Or he was. Or if he was, like, I know she

So where they both equal parts in this was she the driver. I think it's pretty ironic to that

in those text messages. He said, this has to be perfect when, like, first of all, then don't

text about it. We're all number one. But then also, like, you missed the misfired and didn't hit that bad thing. God, but like, for wanting to be so flawless and perfect, like, you really executed it awfully. Well, you're right, maybe she was the person behind it. I mean, it's all going to show up in the text messages when the discovery comes out and what she said to him and what yeah, what she just did he ever even say, I would have just killed her right then and there, or was that

a lie, too, to the police to make it so to deflect from her involvement or like her guilt. And yeah, ooh, I'm interested. We've got to FOIA this, like ASAP. Yeah. Okay. Okay, we've got to talk about the Lindsey Clancy case, trial updates this week and everything that has been going on.

“So finally, after five weeks of testimony, I think it was over 80 experts, several days of”

jury deliberations were finally starting to wrap up all things Lindsey Clancy. However, earlier this

week, there was a wrench thrown in. So jury deliberations first began last week. I think some people were hopeful that they would reach a verdict by the end of the week, but then they were sent home obviously for the weekend because they're not sequestered, resumed on Monday. They asked the judge to go home early on Monday, which a lot of people were like, why are they asking to go home? Writing 10 said it was because they were just exhausted that it obviously is very emotional,

everything that they're having to weigh and review and do all these things. But then some people were like, well, is it because they're at an impasse and they just want to go home for the day? Like, what's going on? Then sure enough, on Tuesday morning, the jurors came back and said that they were unable to reach a unanimous verdict. And here's where it got a little complicated when I first heard this immediately. First, I wasn't really even surprised. I, I have thought that you would be found

not guilty by reason of insanity, but I thought that from the beginning, however, once they have the charge conference and once the jury was read the instructions of all of the verdicts they could find, I started to think, oh, there is a very real possibility that there could be a hung jury here, because there's five different options that they can choose from, straight non-gilty, which is on, first everybody's like, that's very unlikely, but still possible, not guilty by reason of

insanity, guilty of first to remurder, guilty of second to remurder, and then the judge also brought in guilty of manslaughter, a lesser charge. And they have to find a verdict for all three of the children. So, to reach a unanimous verdict, when you have five different options and three different charges, and there might actually be a caveat there. It's like 15 options, basically, right, in total. So, it's like, to have everybody unanimously agree on that when there was a lack of

investigation, we're writing to and harped on that in his closing when obviously they shouldn't be watching social media, but I, I'd be hard pressed to think that they have not seen anything online, but I think that it opens the door to a hung jury. However, very similarly to Karen Reed's first trial, they came back saying, we can't reach a unanimous verdict, and the judge sent them back

“in multiple times, and she's like, you have to, and then it ended up resulting in a mistrust.”

What, how do you feel about that? Well, okay, here's what I think. I think if the judge

forces you to go back and continue deliberating. First, I'd be like, okay, is there one hold out to or is it really split? But then once that, if they did come back then with a unanimous verdict, as a defense attorney, if it wasn't in my favor, not that it would give you more grounds for an appeal, but like, I'd want to survey the jurors. I'd want to maybe use that as an argument. Like, they couldn't figure it out. You forced them to make a decision. So, like, I think it gets a little

murky there. But when we heard this on Tuesday, my first thought was like, oh, this is going to be a care and read situation again. And we don't know how many holdouts there are right now. So, I wasn't sure, like, will they come back quickly with a unanimous verdict? Because they just want to get the hell out of there. So, one person will cave or is it truly split? Like, who really knows?

“But then my thought was, if it's a hungry and it ends in a mistrial, will the state retry her?”

Because technically, they don't have to. More than likely, if there's three homicides, they would retry her. However, they don't have to. So, based on what the prosecution has been seeing in all of this, not saying that TikTok is going to influence their decision one way or another. But they would have to make the decision, are we going to retry her? Do we think we can win? Based on now, the spotlight on the lack of investigation, lack of evidence.

If Readington now changes strategy, because you can't even consider the first trial anymore. So, he could technically change his whole strategy to either bring in a third party alternative suspect, but he has to have evidence indicating that. Or just harp on. She's not criminally responsible.

would be seeing everything that's out there. And again, not saying they're going to hinge their

“decision on TikTok or anything like that. But with a mistrial, it opens the doors to maybe there's”

not going to be another trial. Maybe they will retry her. But like, then what are the new arguments going to be and what are the strength and the weaknesses that the other sides can exploit and like leverage and all of those things. If there is a mistrial in these types of situations, then she would just go free. Yes. Which, which are you really, even if somebody wanted that for her, it's like what kind of quality of life for this poor woman who, like, she probably needs a lot of care. Yes, it's interesting

you say poor woman. Because I, I have been of the thought that she was suffering from postpartum psychosis since day one. I have seen now it's so weird watching the evolution of all of this.

Back in 2023, when it first happened, everybody's like premeditated. She's an evil monster,

you know, throw the book at her death penalty. Then, as we started getting closer to trial, people started opening their minds up to postpartum psychosis saying Lindsay's a victim. And more ally ship with her in that regard, then the trial happened. And then, as we know, everybody said, Oh, Lindsay didn't even do this. It was all Patrick. Now, as jury deliberations started and even a few days before that, I am seeing such a huge uptick, almost full circle,

of it back to this is premeditated. She's evil. She needs to be found guilty of first degree murder. And it's so weird watching everything come full circle. And so, I mean, guilty are not, I just mean this poor woman. Like, she's lost her three children. She's going to be in hell for the rest of her life. Exactly. No matter what. Because it's her fault. Right. Regardless of how

“she's been, like, she's paralyzed. Her life is exactly. Absolutely. So, that will happen Tuesday.”

And then, ultimately, just like the Karen Reed trial, the judge sent them back and said,

you need to keep deliberating. This has been a five week trial. We have gone through so much. Like, we're not going to just throw in the towel. Go back, keep deliberating. Then, on Tuesday, night, there was a little bit of commotion at the courthouse. A woman ended up being arrested for witness intimidation, potential jury tampering. She was reportedly videotaping some of the jurors. And so, she ended up being arrested. She was in court on Wednesday. And her next court date is in

October. But that resulted in first thing on Wednesday morning. The judge asked each juror individually under water. Basically, like, do they know what happened with this woman or were they affected? Not an open-ended question, but a yes or no, seemingly they all answered no. So, they were sent back in for deliberations. Then, around 11 15 AM on Wednesday, the jury, it was announced that the jury had a question. So, the judge came back in the courtroom. Everybody came in the courtroom. But it

wasn't a question. It was a statement. And it was that they are still deadlocked. So, this is

now the second time that they were deadlocked. And what's interesting is, at this point, a lot of

people may think, okay, it's a mistrial. However, with the state of Massachusetts, there is something called a two-year-old Regus rule that you read in. And the judge basically issued that to the jurors,

“where it tells them you have to go back, you have to continue deliberating. However, under this”

specific rule and instruction, I want you to really consider your point of view in all of this, your position in what you believe the verdict should be listened to your fellow jurors as well, deter, like, you know, re-examine their your position, listen carefully to the reasoning of the other jurors. Consider whether you're doubt or your conclusion is reasonable when other equally honest jurors are obviously disagreeing, since there is disagreement in that room. And continue pushing

and trying to reach a unanimous verdict. So, he sent them back to continue deliberating. We don't know what the split is. If there's one person holding out two people holding out or what's going on in that room. However, we know there are nine women, jurors, and three male jurors. So, you also, like I said earlier, you have five options for each charge. It leaves a lot of room for there to be different in varying opinions. And there's maybe a woman who either sympathizes with

Lindsey or hates Lindsey because she's another herself and can't wrap her head around it. There could be a man who doesn't believe in anything postpartum psychosis related. I mean, you don't know at all what's going through their minds. And we also don't know the split at this moment of how many are disagreeing and how close they are to a verdict. But at this point, at the time of this recording, we don't know. I will obviously keep you updated. Most likely,

since we won't have another episode till Monday, it'll be via Instagram. That's where I've been doing a lot of my updates at underscore Annie Elise or true crime with Annie. I have two accounts. So, check in there and maybe some news is already happening right now on Thursday. So, I'm

is this going to end with a hung jury and a mistrial, and then will there be another trial in the

“future? I think probably, yes, since three children were killed, and it's a homicide,”

but at the same time, I don't know what is going through the state's mind. The whole thing is just wild. So, I mean, this was one case that I feel like people who are not even into true crime, or if they're invested, it gets, sorry, invested. And every single time I've gone anywhere in the

last couple weeks, I feel like it's the first thing people ask me about. 100%. I was literally at my

kids, like, beginning school play date that they had, and the amount of people who came up to me, I need to know your thoughts on men and women. I know. It's, I know. It's been an interesting one.

“Now, another interesting one that I know I briefly mentioned at the top of this episode that”

has gotten so much attention is Mike Amillir's case. I don't know how familiar you are. Did you watch death of the past? I was very familiar with the case, but I haven't watched it, but I'm going to. Okay. Well, I did a deep dive this week. It's out right now. You can go listen to it. What I did not like is that Netflix did a great job covering it. They left out so much of what went on during the relationship between Mike and J.P. I'm talking multiple 911 calls, text messages,

history, more in-depth conversation about how he, in my opinion, groomed her from a young age

“and when their relationship first began. And so I did a deep dive Tuesday exposing all of that,”

because, you know, I always do my follow-ups and say, well, here's what Netflix missed. So that's

on my second true crime podcast feed, 10 to life. I would say that one for YouTube we did have to censor quite a bit because of the nature of the content and the underage elements of everything and all that. So if you want the un-censored version, listen audio on the podcast or if you are a video watcher through and through and you want the un-censored version, go to Patreon. Because we always upload the un-censored videos on Patreon and completely ad-free as well. But that case is wild,

so exposed all that this week. So you have homework right now. Your homework, if you're listening, is to go listen to the Philadelphia House of Horses, serial killer Eugene Horses from Monday, the Mike Amiller, what they left out from Netflix on Tuesday and then watch the death of the pastor's wife if you haven't yet and your homework, over I am. And I want you to look at me in the eyes. Okay, here is your homework. Okay, you're going to watch that on Netflix. You're going to

go to the park. You're going to get that Frisbee and you are going to throw it as far as you fucking can. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got this. I got this. I got this. I got that. I know. And she's doing so well. I know we have to talk after this. I can't wait to get school. And with her rolly suitcase. I just like the picture is just ugh. She looks like an eighth grader compared to her classmates because she's so like tall and big. I know. All right, that is it for today's

episode of headline highlights. Guys, thank you so much for listening. Be back with you next week. Be back with you Monday, actually, with an all new deep dive into a case. But go back, listen to those deep dives, watch those deep dives now. From earlier this week and we will talk with you

very soon. Until the next one, just get a divorce. Be nice. Don't kill people. I'm going to add a third

tagline in. Don't kill your family. Don't listen to your boyfriend's terrible advice. Yeah, that too. And just stay safe. Stay safe. All right. Bye.