"Jennifer Lopez"

- I'm crime, unless it's Jason, I'm doing a cold open, I'm real snacky. Those carbohydrates, they're crunchy, they're salty. They're not good for me, but man, it feels good. Doesn't it feel good, gang?

To do a nice crunchy, salty snack? Or do you like the gooey sweet ones?

“I don't know, maybe a combo of both is great, right?”

But what's do you start with? What's your end with? What do you put in between? I know what you put in between, you put in nice big, that well cooked episode

as smart as us. (humming) - Welcome to smart ones. - Smart. (upbeat music)

Smart. (upbeat music) Smart. (upbeat music) - Ah, fuck, the stress, you know guys,

I can't have the stress, I lost my voice and it's just now come back a little bit. I still have a little brand of fire. - Do you scream in a few times? - You scream in a few times.

- The next game is from the next game? - Yeah, scream in a few moments. - No, it wasn't the game. - I think it was, it was, it was, - I want my chair over here.

- I'm my chair. - It was, I think it was a cold or it might have been allergies. - No, I mean, yeah. - It started yourself.

- It started in, it started in my throat

“and it went to my nose and then it landed on my vocal cords.”

- You're a little fragile. - And I had this as a little fragile.

I feel like this is the first time

we're meeting the real JB right? - And I was a little frazzled getting to Mike today because that's what we call it, right? Getting to Mike. - Getting to Mike.

- Because we do know, yeah. - I wanted to have my teeth brushed for you. - Do you guys brush your teeth for me? - Of course. - Oh, no, not me.

- You don't. - You brush my teeth. - Well, did you sleep with a whiter on too long last night? - No, I went to look at that.

- I went to the dentist yesterday and he's like, I don't wait my teeth. - About that. - And you smoke. - Shh.

- And you drink coffee. - I don't want you to drink coffee. - And you self-tan. - I don't self-tan. That's the one where don't make me mad.

(laughing) You and Kimmel, Kimmel, nobody loves hitting me my tan more than Molly. - But what do you self-tan mean? - You just lazy.

- That's like a cream. - Okay. - But where do you find the time

and how is it always so even, Mr. Trump?

- Well, you know, you know, you know, when I do every day, I do my walk every day. - And so that's a good answer. - I don't talk to me like I'm fucking watching you do and you're fucking heavy hands and shit.

- Yeah. - You know, you know, you're Velcro and Coates. - You know, my routine. - Is it, but with my way best, somebody took a picture of me with my weight.

That's yesterday on Loma Vi. - Oh, really? - I gotta see that. - But will, I spend a lot of time when I'm not working on the golf course as we're aware.

- Once, that's five hours of sun exposure and I wear 100. So you're saying you're 20 minutes. - I don't wear. - Okay, that's what it is.

- Okay, and B, I don't wear a bucket hat. - Right. - Right. - So you wear no sun protection whatsoever. You're kind of bragging about that, right?

Now to get yourself that nice color. - I'm not giving myself fucking cancer. I'm not, first of all, fucking cool it. It's early for me to die, okay? - I've had, I've had skin cancer already.

I had something shaved off my eye. Remember that? Let me go in there and get it all scraped off. - I get checked, I have a friend of mine and she's been giving me a lot of shit

about sunscreen lately. - Is, are these checks that you pay for or is it, um, you say a friend? - Like a, like a close friend of mine.

“- And then, did she check for ticks at the same time?”

- All those tough to find spots. (laughing) - Well, it's fine, another one. She just couldn't even get out like a zit. - You're like, hovered in ticks.

(laughing) I find a couple of leaches too. - I'm excited. - I think I have to remove the poison. - The ticks, the tick.

(laughing) - Oh my gosh. - So wait, so you've got, you've got it. Yeah, now you're getting into a sweat because you're thinking about all the possible risks.

- I also, I've also had four copies today, so having a coffee sweat. - Yeah. - You know, we were at dinner, the other night, J.B., you were missed.

- I know. - You were missed. And in Jen brought a photo up from our, our big family trip from a few years back where we went with all the kids and everything.

- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - God, I love that. - And there's a photo of all of us. And then my head's taken out the back. Remember how dead I was?

- My hair's sticking up. - And I've got zinc on my lips. And I love it. - I look like a crazy person, Bradshaw. (laughing)

- And look like Pat, we passed around the photo and everybody had something to say about it.

- And I've never seen it.

I've never seen it before. I was like, "What is, I look like a man?" - Yeah, you look like you look like a writer. - Bradshaw came to the island and found me there. - Yeah, yeah.

- So we have to go back there.

- I know. - I know. - Back guys. - If you wanted to go now with the kids a little bit older, it would be crazy.

- Hey, how was it? And it's fun being back for the weekend. - Yeah. - Very nice to be back for the weekend. - I'm going to your Q&A, J.

I'm going to twirl at Netflix 'cause I know that you're doing a Q&A session. - Right, hey, what y'all are you doing there? - I'm just going to go 'cause I want to ask you questions about directing and stuff. I know you're doing a good thing.

Good. So I got an email from Netflix about it. Like, "Come join us." So I'm like, "Oh, where are the sink on your nose?" So that when you pulled your hand out.

- What a fake mustache and a hat. And then I'm going to sit in the back. And I'm going to move. - I've got a question.

“- No, you should play the crazy Italian guy from our podcast.”

(laughing) - What a show. These brothers are crazy. (laughing) - You're on heat.

- I can't believe they said you would invite. - No, I should. A different friend of mine got an email about it. And they said it to me and I was like, "Oh, fucking send me that. I want to go."

- I want a good show up and crash. And then you know what? I did have the thought. I was like, "If I did it, then I make it about me." And I'm not going to go and do that.

- No. - Please, please, please, please do it enough. There's so many people listening right now. They're not going to go in there. I know.

You do thinking about the show up. We ate your stupid stories. - But what about? - Yeah, so I'm here this weekend to do this. These interviews and stuff for DTF and for Black Rabbis.

And it's all talking. It's all talking. It's going to be including this podcast. And I was looking at it. Like literally 36 hours ago.

I couldn't. Everything was like this. I couldn't really. - Oh, really. - And I was like, "Oh, my God.

I've got like five days of work. And I mean, it's just talking. Luckily, I got a little prednisone in me and an animal. - Yeah, good. You know what?

I was talking to everybody who's doing dog day after noon. Not John Bernthal, but I was talking to you. You guys know John Ortiz is the best. He's a great actor and he's a good buddy, man. - Thank you.

- And he is on Broadway right now. - Yeah. - And he has a really bad cold. And it's a nightmare scenario. - I almost called you Sean because I knew you'd probably have some like

fancy Broadway doctor that knows what to do with with vocal, vocal stuff. - Always. I have a I too. - The boots are the best. - The boots.

- The boots knows. - Is that is it?

“Wait Sean are you getting rid of pedals and going with boots?”

- Right now he's boots. - Right now he's boots. - Oh, boots, Mickey. - Yeah, boots. - Yeah, boots.

I got a boot on. But Sean's got a point that he wants to make. I saw him. Who are you looking at off camera? Who's giving you the cue to go into it?

Is it Scott? - No, nobody me, it's me. - Okay. - I'm looking at all of you. - No, we have to go because our guest is super famous and she has to work.

- Oh, sorry. - Okay. - There we go. - There we go. - I should have dressed up.

I mean, well, I got undressed. - Which is please back on. - Oh, nice to page me. - Oh, guys. My guest today who I love and I live for grew up in Castle Hill, New York.

The middle of three sisters in an apartment. - Andrew Martin. - So small. They all shared a bed.

There was always music in the house with constant reenactments of

the West Side Story. I could do the whole thing with her. - Jenna with. But her parents still hope she'd become a lawyer. Instead, she left college to pursue dance full-time.

Left home and ended up sleeping in a Manhattan dance studio. Somewhere along the way, she taught Kerry Washington how to dance. I can't wait to ask about that. This became the first Latina actress ever paid a million dollars for a movie roll. - We're in a free fleet been on this podcast before.

It's the beautiful multi-talented and unstoppable. Really got it. Merry Christmas. - You feel? - No, when you said briefly and then I remember you briefly on yes.

- I was so close with Andrew Martin. God dammit. Oh my god, Jen, what are you drinking? - Hi there. - A little cappuccino.

- Oh, nice. - What would you go with for the milk on that? Are we almond? - Are we dairy? - No, I like a 2% milk.

I know everybody with fancy oats and almonds. - Yes, no wait. - Cow milk all the way. - Jason, Jason, response to that? You beta?

- I know, but I feel I got word from one of those doctors back in the day that I am lactose intolerant or a bad with the dairy or something like that.

And so I've just never had like cow milk.

Since then, plus I did see documentary ones where they said the very disgusting fact, which is humans are the only species that drink the milk of another animal. That is weird, isn't it? - I'm the same way, I don't care. - I know you drink full tall glasses of milk. - I don't care.

- And it tastes so good. It tastes so good. - Plus, Jennifer Lopez is always working out and exercising and staying in good health, so she can have milk in her coffee. - I try. - What about that?

- It's not about that. - It's not about health.

“- What I mean, you know, you have to, if you're going to do it, you kind of have to balance”

it. - It says Jennifer Lopez. - Jennifer, Dr. Ding Dong.

- You look very healthy. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Yeah. Jen, thank you for doing this.

I'm so excited you're here. This is a long time coming for me. But in my lesson, we started. - Oh, you see. - Wow, this is exciting.

- True. And I know we kind of know each other. And I love you too. Do you? - Yes, we do.

“- Yeah, we work together many times over the years on the Will and Grace and something else to do.”

I can't remember what it was. - I think so. - I think you know what I realized. I'm so bad. You know, you get to a point where you've done so much with so many people.

And people were like, we did that like the other day. Don't hate me. I was watching Monster Law. - Oh my god. - And I forgot you were in.

- You know what I got? - Yeah. - I'm good. - That's what happens with them. - No, no, because it was just so long ago.

I mean, I want to say how many years ago it was. But it was so long ago. - It was not during a rest of development, Willie. - It was 21 years ago. It was the summer of 2005.

- 21 years ago. - You know, Jennifer, I'm admiring your beautiful printer in the background there. I then noticed that Sean, you've moved the award. Didn't you have an award? - Yes.

- Because you made fun of me. - And I made fun of you moved it. - Yeah, I did. But it's just right there, both of us. - But what about how Jen keeps it real?

She's got a fucking printer in that. - Right. - But I'm a hotel. - You are. - Where?

- In New York. I was here for the upfront. So I'm just here.

“- No, but, you know, people like stack their awards behind them when they do zooms.”

- Yeah, I do. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - But I, in my office at home, I have like a wall of all these awards. - All behind right.

- Yeah, they're just, they're just there. And then you sit in your desk and they're there. - You've got so many. - Where are you going to put them? - Exactly.

- Where are you going to put them? In your office there. Or, yeah. - Right there in the basement. - We'll look in behind him.

He can't fit him in the whisper booth. - I can't. There's not one. There's not one. - So dark in there.

- So that his tan. - This is my booth. But hang on a second. - He's getting a nice bounce off his teeth, though. - The shorts.

- I know. - The shorts. - Like at what age do you stop by shorts? - First of all. - Look at these.

- Oh, it's a hockey glove. - I'm trying to make believe. - What? One of the Toronto Maple Leafs ever had a green hockey glove.

- I used to be the Toronto St. Patts when they first started.

- Why would they look at this Jason? Do you remember this? I've somehow kept this after all these years. - What is this? Is that the one a maker from the PGA Championship?

- It's called the VH1. - Big, big, you know, four. - And we went for arrested. And somehow I've kept this stupid huge drill. - So we got one trophy and you got to keep it?

- Obviously, I've reelected me because they were like, who's the most deserving? - Is VH1 still going? - I don't know. - Yeah, I think so.

- Hey, can we turn it down? Welcome to the show. - Yeah, question for the guest, please show. - No, not at all. - Got a break in.

- It's just chit chat. - Well, it's, you know, but it's the thing about like, we work together three times and we'll embrace. And the first time, God did we laugh a lot. I mean, I was kicking you in literally, physically,

kicking you in the ass, jumping in between your legs. And I'm dancing like fools. It was ridiculously hilarious. And you were so game.

“And I think you're so game for so many things.”

And, you know, in researching. - Yeah, many things sometimes. - No, no, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but you know, in doing all this research before today, you realize,

oh, I don't really, I don't, I've never done a deep dive on you.

We always have chit chat and have a good time, you know. - Yeah, you never asked her anything important. - You never talked about yourself. - That's right. I was always like, because once the next question about me.

But, but, so before we get into it, I just want to say, I realize doing all this stuff how rare your kind of drive is your work, affect the ambition, the discipline you've been doing at such a high level for decades.

- I mean, if you've seen her documentary, that documentary is very critical. - Yeah, it's very critical. - I think I had a chance to run into you after I saw and and and and said how much I love it.

It's so impressive. I mean, not only just well-made, but the scope of it, I mean, your career is incredibly backed. - Exactly.

- It's incredibly non-stop. - And and and you, this is another thing we'll talk about later. But you, the thing you do for women in general, whether you do it intentionally or not, I'm sure some of is intentional.

You, you've, make them feel empowered. You show them that that talent and beauty and sexuality. You can have all that at any age and your fearless about all that. How, how aware of, are you aware of how much permission that gives people

are you too busy working to even think about it? - I'll say this, when I was starting out and I had just started doing like my clothing line. So I had been acting for a while, dancing and singing for a while,

had my first records out and things like that.

So this is, I don't know, 20 years ago. - Yeah.

who are like friends who I just hired. You know what, and I remember saying, like it was getting overwhelming. And I said, I just, this is so fucking much. Why am I doing this?

This is what, and she goes Jennifer, if you can't. And I probably had just went through some break-up and fucking everything had blown up in my face again. You know what I mean?

I was like, I, I just don't know if I can go on she goes Jennifer. If you can't do it, none of us can do it. And when she said that to me,

I never forgot it, and I thought to myself,

oh, people look at me a certain way, especially girls, like women, like inspiration for sure. And it gave me like a feeling of responsibility to do things right all the time.

- I responsibility you like or didn't want. - I don't mind it, because I am a hard worker, and I do have discipline. Like I started running track when I was, you know, eight or nine years old, and I was practicing every day.

Like I always had kind of like an athlete's kind of drive and, and work ethic. - That makes sense. - So I, yeah, and, and I did track for what, gymnastics, I played softball, like I was very much an athlete

before I fell in love with dancing. And once I fell in love with dancing, sports went out the window. - Right, because that, because it is a sport. - It is a sport, and it was, it was just an easy transition,

but also because I grew up on musicals with my mom and all of that, and I loved them so much.

It was like I always wanted to sing and dance and act,

but when it took its natural time, I, I really like left everything behind and just fell in love with that. But that really made me feel that, that exchange stayed with me,

even all these years later, because it just made me feel like, like, don't fuck it up, like do the right things. People are watching you for whatever reason, maybe because I was Puerto Rican and from the Bronx

and came from similar places where all these people, you know, people come from, you know, I wasn't like, born and holly good and, you know, kind of that thing, and so there was a real... - Jason.

- Yeah. - A real idea in my mind of like,

“you have to do things right, don't fuck it up, you know?”

- And work for it. - Yeah. - And do it, do it, do the thing, go for it. - Yeah. - What was first for you, was it an example of someone

who was just an incredible inspiration as far as their accomplishments? Was that first or was it being inspired by seeing an incredible dancer or musician or actor? Or when you were a little girl,

what was the first thing that inspired you? Was it accomplishment or was it a specific town? - No. It was, it was the arts. Like, from when I was very little,

I remember, you bought up Rita Moreno, and you bought up West Side Story right before I was, you were trying to guess who I was. - That's all he does. That's all he does.

And it really was Rita Moreno for me. - Oh, really? Yes, yes. - I did want her to be my mom, watching and let's do company.

I said to my mother once when I was a tiny little kid. I said, I want her to be my mom. - Yeah. - Yeah. And she's so amazing.

And the thing is, is like, my mom watched West Side Story in the theater when it first came out. And she made us watch it every single year.

“I don't even remember the first time I saw it.”

Three years old, four years old, five years old. But I do remember watching it on TV, one Thanksgiving, because it came on once a year. And thinking, that's what I want to do.

I want to sing and dance and act. I want to dance around. I want to sing. And my mother was kind of that way as well. And very kind of vivacious,

take over the room type of person. And I wasn't like that. I was more like my dad. I was more quiet and kind of like to myself. But at that part I had.

Like I wanted to sing and dance and shake my ass too. You know? I'm just imagine you dancing and singing around. Like the living room and stuff like that. Like kids do.

Because like that's where we have no fear and no sense of, you know. - And it's like nobody's watching you mean? - Right. But then there's that moment.

We all hit when we're about, I don't know, 10, 11 or something. Well, you start to become aware of shame and embarrassment and what other people might be thinking. And there's that transition.

It's almost a sad transition that you see kids go through where they become self-aware. - Yeah. - But then, you know, you hope that they gather sort of coping skills to kind of have self-assuredness

and kind of push through that and have their confidence take over and to be able to push through that.

“Do you remember that moment where you stopped”

kind of dancing like, no one was watching and you were aware people are watching and we're able to push through that? - I think this is what makes me a little different.

That I would never happen.

- No. I was never afraid to make a fool of myself.

- Like, yeah.

- I was always just like, it's fine.

I fell down.

“And maybe that was part of the athlete part too.”

You know what I mean? It was just like, you're gonna, you know, make mistakes, you're gonna fall, you're gonna do that. Like, I was ready. Get back, very scrappy.

- Part of part of success. - Yeah. - We'll be right back. And now back to the show. - I was thinking about when you started

and really started to sort of break through and I kind of want to get into what that was because I'm not sure I really know what that thing was. - I have questions about it. - Thank you, Sean.

This is not your time. I'd like to be cleaning my time. - Jennifer, I wonder if you know, like the moment when you broke through and you broke through on such a global level

and such a way that is very, very rare where everybody in the world knows who you are and just bear with me that you, that you have the moment where you, that kind of dawns on you,

the level of recognition and fame. And then you as a person, the gap of you catching up to that and being okay with that on that kind of a level. Do you remember that time?

Was it a struggle kind of between you and it? - It was the worst. It was honestly, it was the worst. It was, I had just done Selena. - Yeah.

- And the movie came out. And I was still walking around, you know, Hollywood, like going on auditions. Like it was still that time.

- Yeah. - But it had just come out. And I was walking down the street

and for the first time somebody was like,

"Hey, hey!" And they come running towards me and I thought, "My fuck is gonna mug me." What the fuck is going on right now? Like I got really nervous.

And I was just, you know, like, any woman in the world, you know, where we're threatened by other, so many things. Like we're so scared all the time in a weird way.

And I was just walking to the store from my apartment in LA. And it was just so jarring to me. And then I realized they were like, "I saw you in whatever."

And I was like, "Oh." - Yeah. - But my thing was like, I don't know you. Like I don't know you. Like what are you doing?

Like back up. Don't touch me. I was so scared. And I remember it dawning on me. I was like, "Oh, you're not anonymous anymore."

- Right. - Your anonymity is gone. - Yeah. - And I think about mine. I thought, "You can't get that back."

- Yeah. - That's something that's lost forever.

“And I remember that's when I started having panic attacks.”

- Oh, dude. - I had about that. - Oh, it was terrible time for me. - Yeah. Can you talk about that when you're filming enough, right?

- No, that was another time. That was when I overworked myself. - That was a bad story of production. - What I did in real life, my limits. - Yeah.

But I read about that in preparation for this. And that's fascinating to me because I love medical stories. - Yeah. - Where do you say what happened and why? - Yeah.

- So that was kind of getting used to like fame and realizing your life had changed in a way that you couldn't control anymore. - Or go back. - You can't go back. - Yeah.

- They're always going to notice.

Somebody will always have scenes to lean and somebody will always. And for whatever reason that really freaked me out. And that took a minute. But what you're talking about is when I was doing enough. I think I had done like four movies in a row.

And I had recorded my second album or something like that. So the J-Lo album, which was really big. - Yeah. - And the J-Lo album. And I was working filming every day as you guys know what that is.

You know, all the hours. And then I would go into the studio at night. And then on the weekends I like had junkets or video shoots or whatever. And I remember not clocking that I had worked like 98 days in a row without taking a day off.

- Right.

“- Because we were back in counted because we were like what happened?”

And one day I'm sitting on the set of enough. It's actually kind of thinking about it. And I'm walking to the set every single time. And every time I walk to the set I start getting a little bit of pattern in my heart. It's like rising. And I go and finally it got to the point.

I was like, I really feel nervous and I had the little girl and enough. And I was like, I'm sorry, sweetie. I feel a little weird today. I said a little tired or something and she was like, it's okay. You're going to be all right.

You know, she's like, boy, like this is my face. But I wasn't all right. And I went back to the trailer and I sat down. And all of a sudden, like, I just couldn't see. Like, I was almost like, I couldn't see clearly.

Like something just went over my eyes and I couldn't move. And one of my girlfriends who was my friend since the second grade was my assistant.

She don't really know it. She's doing too much. But we loved hugging it out together and figuring it out and being together. And I said to her, um, I'm like, I can't move. I can't see. She goes, stop it, Jennifer. You're scary me.

And I go, no, I really can't move.

“I said, no, I can't move. You should get somebody.”

And she's like, stop, stop. I said, get B.O.B., my security guard. And she got me. And I was like, I can't move. And I can't see. And like, like, I couldn't move. I was just paralyzed.

And he picked me up and put me in the car. We went to the hospital and it was crazy. And I said to the doctor, I said, am I going crazy? And he said, no, you're not crazy. It's exhaustion. Yeah. He's like, you shut down.

I remember, I remember it's being a monster. I remember we were shooting a couple days, like downtown somewhere. And the level of attention. I remember you having to drive to set. And they had to put blinders on the thing for you to drive into.

And there were photographers on the roofs of the building across the street. Yeah. And I remember and then they had the base camp set up in this parking lot downtown. And I remember these dudes randomly putting cameras under the fence. And just shooting like this, hoping to get somebody.

And I thought, oh my God, that is so. And by the way, there are a lot of people go like, oh, well, that's the price. You pay for fame and all that kind of bullshit. And you're like, oh, yeah, that's pretty rough, man. Like you don't have a second.

Yeah, it can be really tricky. And you learn to kind of like live a certain way. Like I don't go out all that much, you know. And I, you know, know where I can go. Yeah, to the stay.

Yeah. And I have my like very small group of friends. And they come over. Or we do things or we go on trips. But even when we go on trips, it's very curated.

Yeah.

“And you have to learn because it's just, it's part of it.”

Jason calls for photographers. He lets them know they have his casual. Yeah. And they have access to an I call. They never show.

And they never show. What about now that sort of surgical masks are so sort of like accepted in public and so commonplace. Now, do you, do you ever enjoy that level of, you know, sort of like,

I feel like he always know it's me.

And I feel stupid. I feel like he always know it's me. And I feel stupid. Is it JLo? Yeah.

I just have to admit it's stupid. I put a mask on. They'll even recognize my voice sometimes. If I'm just talking in a store. Like I'll see people creep around.

I like they heard me talking. Did your friends call you JLo when you were, uh, no. No, not at all. Not at all. Um, that was something that I always credit heavy.

I don't know if you guys remember. Yeah. Back in the day and we all, uh, all the Sony artists. There was a place called The Hip Factory here in New York. Yeah.

And all of us recorded there. A lot of people recorded there. It was a big studio.

And we'd always, people'd always come in and out, you know,

to other people's studios. And I met heavy at that time.

“And he was, do you just always used to call me Jenny Lowe?”

He's like, JLo. Jenny Lowe. And I was like, I think I'm going to call my next album, JLo. Yeah. I love that.

That's just cool. Yeah. And that's kind of how it happened. It was really, very simple. And it just stuck.

When did Jenny from the block? Well, I was going to get to Jenny from the block. Yeah. What was the next album? So that JLo was my second album.

My first album was on the 6th of my third album was, um, this is me then. And that had Jenny from the block on it. Do you know, you spawned how many people in the world probably refer to their friends, Jennifer, as Jenny from the block? Yeah.

Like we have fun. Oh my God. Right. Yeah. You do come across it.

But also, they all do their names. Oh, my, they people call me Ado. Yeah. Right. Right.

They put their names together and stuff like that. J Jason would be Jayba. Yeah. You'd be Jayba. Jayba.

You're seeing her. Some say ha. Say ha. Say ha. It doesn't work.

It doesn't work. Doesn't work. It doesn't.

So, but getting back to the, the, your, when you were first starting,

because I think it's fascinating that you went from the timeframe of in living color, which was, you know, it's own story, which we could probably talk about forever. But in living color to money train to Selena, you, you, you, you, at that time, you really had to prove yourself as an actress and you probably worked hard to do that, right? What, what did that period feel like when you looked back on it where you're like,

wait, how do I translate? How do I get people to take me seriously from dancing on and living color to, to being an actress? Well, it's funny. My very first movie was a movie called My Family, Me Family, which Greg Knob, I did.

And it had Edward James almost in it.

You know, it's the very first time I worked with him.

And I played the, the young matriarch in the movie.

“And right from that moment, I think people seeing that little piece of tape that really helped”

make the transition because it was a great little role and I had to cross the river from Mexico into the thing and I'm like swimming and I'm like, I'm actually and I'm crying with the baby and I was like a great little juice that was a ball roll. But with that piece of tape, people were like, oh, she can act. She's an actress.

And I was and I had worked on it before I did my first movie, I studied it acting all through. I've been color really bought me out to Los Angeles and that's when I started like taking classes all the time and reading all the books and doing all the things. I love you.

And then you did. God, I remember this movie holds up. I love it so much. You're so great in out of sight. Oh, my God.

Yeah, you're so that movie is so good. So good. Oh, you're so good in that. It's such a great movie. You know, really, you're really dragged.

You know, because no, you did launch. You made clearly look good. And I don't care if he hears this. I hate it. Oh, good.

And that's sort of a character. And so to bring to you. Yeah, yeah. You really helped those guys. Yeah, I really helped it.

No, but I would talk about that movie if you will, just a little bit. Because that was like a real, that movie like really went like, here she knows what she's doing. Yeah. I mean, you already were.

Yeah, I was excited. Listen, I got really lucky in the beginning of my career to work with like, some really great director, Steven Sotoberg, Oliver Stone, Francis Ford Copula, like I was like, I worked with Robin Williams.

Like, there was, it was a really beautiful, beautiful beginning to an acting career for me, for sure. Yeah, I'm working on out of sight. It was funny. The thing I remember the most about out of sight,

was one of the things that Steve's on, because we had like one of the most epic nights ever singing musical theater.

“I think I was singing to him and telling him I was going to be a singer”

and he was like, you're right. I did tell him, I am. I am. I'm working on my album right now, like I was so young and kind of like, goofy and whatever.

And he, but I also remember like the auditioning process for that. And going, I remember the last, like I read for Steven, and he was like, I think I like these talking to George, like I like this girl Jennifer Lopez to play this role. And he was like, okay, and they had me go do like a chemistry read.

And I had to drive to George's house. And I remember getting there and there was a pig in the front yard. Yeah. I was like, this is the male holly wish it. This is weird stuff.

And we're kind of collecting the male. Yeah, he had his pig. And we were there. And we, you know, we read like on the couch together, um, literal casting coach.

Yeah. And we were just had this chemistry that really worked. And Steven just loved it. And I got the role. And I was so happy because it was a really great role as well.

Did you get it there in the room?

“Yeah, I think, yeah, but it's how my got home.”

They had called my agent and said that, you know, they wanted me. That's great. How do you with with with so much ability, um, across, um, you know, mediums?

How and and anything that you basically declare you're going to do.

It's going to find financing and it's going to find an audience. How do you decide what to do? If if if anything is a viable direction like, I mean, you could, you could start a musical tomorrow or you could do another album or you could, you could, you could, you could finance, you could start a movie.

You could, you could act in that movie, directly that movie. You could open it for days. You could do it. You could, you could start like a cupcake story down the street that would be coming up. I do have, I do have cookie dough that I think I could.

Jaydo. There you go. All for real. The best chocolate cookies in the world. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to make this.

I'm going to share it with the world. Because you don't sell, you don't sell it. No, no. This is, this is, we can announce it today. It was a money on the table.

It was a money on the table. It was a money on the table. It was a money on the table. It was a money on the table. It was a money on the table.

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It was a money on the table. It was a money on the table. It was a money on the table. It was a money on the table. It was a money on the table.

It was a money on the table. Right now, I think I just didn't ever realize that I had that kind of power.

I always felt, again, like the scrappy one kind of trying to make it.

That's a healthy place to be. It did serve me in certain ways.

But in other ways, I always felt like whatever I got was good enough.

Instead of going, wait a minute. Is this the right thing to do right now? It was just kind of like work work work work work work. I'm working. I'm working.

I'm working.

“And I think it wasn't just now as I'm my kids are about to leave to college in about a few months.”

They're both 18. Don't make me cry. Okay. Wow. I'm with you.

Yeah. And they're twins. So they're both leaving at the same time. It's going to be me by myself. And I'm looking at like what I really want to do.

And for the first time in my life, I've. I really take a more control of exactly what you're saying. Like, what do you really want to do? Like, do you want to direct? Do you want to do musicals?

What have you not done that really feels fulfilling to you? Because I actually have realized that I do have that. That I have earned that over these years. And I should be very, I want to be very intentional about what I do over these next four or five years. You can take agency over your own life.

Yeah.

I also like give myself a pat on the back, which I never did.

I never do what I never did. You should. Yeah. You know what? You created this.

That little girl with like. I always say this with like holes in her shoes in the Bronx. You know what I mean? I mean, I say, where my sneakers down. Where this part of my foot was out of time.

I wanted to be a mean. If I asked you right now, what do you.

“What do you really love and value most in your life?”

I'm sure that you would say your kids. But if I if I if I narrow that to what your what your career represents for you. What is it just sort of in a pursuit of like trying to find. An answer for what you would want to do next or your next chapter to be. What is it that you enjoy the most that you that your career has provided you?

Is it is it respect? Is it is it? And this possibility. Yeah. Okay.

That that I have opened up an avenue for myself where there's an endless possibility.

And I can really create a new dream right now for myself. Yeah, for sure. And and and I just moved into a new house. Like everything in my life has changed over the past couple years. I moved into a new house.

What happened? Okay. Okay. Oh, that's for another time. It's a different podcast.

That's a different. Right, right. Guys keep rolling guys keep rolling keep rolling. Yeah. You come over.

We have a glass of wine and you come to the new house. Amazing. And I like built my little corner of the world dream house. I got my kids some horses. We have.

Oh, that's great. Like I was like, please go home. Please come back home to your horses. Yeah. Yeah.

There's horses here. And just really thinking about like with all this change. It's it's actually been a very emotional time for me. Where yes, I'm crying because they're leaving. But I'm also like staring down like what is my life now.

The past 20 years. It's been one thing. The past five years has been a tumult. You know, and then the last two years has been kind of the healing process from that tumult. Where I really got to know myself.

And I, the person I am today is so different than the person I was even two years ago. It's amazing. And now I can really look at my life, appreciate it for what it is and what I've created for myself and be really happy. And both my kids like got into all their colleges. And they both got scholarships.

And they're going where they want to go. And it's just, I was like, you did that shit all by yourself. That's great. Like you had very little help, you know? We'll be right back.

And back to the show. I was just going to say, I think it's awesome that you, the way you talk about it. And you seem so sort of clear headed and calm, knowing. We sort of joke about it about how much people perceive or think that they know about your life and what you've gone through and all that kind of stuff.

“And that's, you have to kind of put that in a weird place.”

Because you write that people have this sort of thing that they think and then you have, but you have to actually go through it. And like you said, when you started, like, you're just a human being and people forget that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they, it's so, it's so crazy to me because we don't really understand other people's experiences unless we walk in their shoes.

Right. And there's also, I think, I think, as I'm going to cut you off with. But I do think, you know, we're all, we're all aware of. Some of us are friends with some people that have like this enormous level of celebrity and exposure.

In other words, there's this real permissive culture around celebrity.

And you don't kind of have to be the best part of you. And you don't have to grow. You know, what you just said, Jennifer, that you know, the past two years has been about the healing and that you're you're you're you're so different now than you were even two years ago five years ago. Do you recognize that that can be a real accomplishment for somebody in your position? Yeah.

Like I think it's a real great out of boy that you've clearly put in time and work and self reflection and you could have just kind of just kept eating the junk food of the permissive culture around you and just kind of lean back. But you're, it sounds like you're leaning into who am I going to be for this next chapter? Yeah. What if I learned, et cetera, et cetera? 100% I, again, there's been different times where I felt like whether people outside or new it or not.

Where I feel like my life blew up in my own face.

And it was because of the choices I made, but also because of the fact that I had things that needed to change about myself that I didn't understand.

Or recognize that was attracting certain things and attracting a certain type of you know experience into my life. And I, I really needed, I thought honestly, it's that thing where and you can go either way, you're right, it is a choice.

“So I want to give myself that credit too, but there comes a point where it's all so puzzling and wrong where you have to sit there.”

And after my last divorce, I just sat there and I was like, I canceled my tour and I sat there and I was just like, you need to fucking figure yourself out. What is going on with you? Forget about everybody else. There's nobody to blame here except yourself in a, in a certain way, not that people don't behave in a way that's not great. But what are you doing?

What do you have going on? And that was, that was a turning point for me, and that was a couple of years ago now. I had the same thing about two, three years ago.

Maybe I've told you guys this in, in, in private before, but I had a moment before I got into real therapy a couple of years ago.

Where one day I was making coffee in the morning and I swear to God and I went, I remember distinctly what was happening. Oh, no, not the date. Oh, oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no. And I remember, and I, and I went, I set out loud to myself, it's you. Right. And I had this, really, I was like, oh my God, I need to do some work. I go with it. But by the way, everybody needs to do that at some point in your mind.

Yeah, everybody, everybody goes through this. I mean, it's all sort of relative. It's part of the human, right?

“Yeah, I think human is all have things to blow up.”

They get these parents, they do the best they can or they do as much as they can. They form certain parts about ourselves. And then our journey is kind of the undoing and the healing of those things of the patterns that that created. Yeah. And so in doing and looking at those patterns, I was able to kind of like go back to that little girl.

And yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at her. That's dope. That little seven year old girl, like I said, with the rip night gown, like I can see her right now. With it like my hair was like up to here and it was about the same color. And you know what I mean? You already feet walking around barefoot all the fucking time. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, yeah, you're barefoot now. You, yeah, just like that.

It's still nothing changed. Yeah. It's still a journey from the block. And just kind of like, going, you did this. Yeah.

You did all this. Yeah.

“Give yourself a little fucking something, like a little love.”

Right. Stop looking for love and other things. Yeah. And give it to yourself. Yeah, there's so much to love in you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you don't see it because you're in this business. And everybody's telling you you're bad at this and you're bad at that. And scrutinizing criticizing your personal, your professional life. And you're not doing this enough.

You're just at right movie or that song didn't do as good as last one. And you're like, and it plays on you and it plays on those places that were reinforced when you were younger of like whatever it is, the impressions that were made on you because of the way you were loved or cared for in different ways. And it's just, it's also intertwined.

Yeah. And I find it very interesting. And I love it because I really do believe people are capable of change. Because I've experienced it. And it is.

And a lot of that fuel for change comes from that self-love. But that self-love is often so hard for all of us to kind of recognize and utilize

You know, you kind of get used to some of the things that you really should be taking a second

to be pleased with about yourself. It's like you can't see your own hair grow, right? girl, right? Like, you see, they see us every day. - Okay, damn what it is to love yourself.

Like to understand to whatever you want.

“And I think having kids for me changed a lot of that”

because I realized whatever I want to give them, like why wouldn't I give that to myself? - Yeah, right. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Why don't I appreciate those things about why don't I,

you know, if you want respect from people, you have to respect yourself. Those are actions, right? Like those are real tangible things and being my sister said to me once Linda,

who I think is so smart and she was like, "Why are you gonna be your own keeper? "You keep everybody else. "You take care of mom, you take care of me, "you take care of the kids, you take care of everybody

"who works for you, you take care.

"When are you gonna be your own keeper?" And I was just like, yeah, and these are all little places. I feel like the journey is like pieces, pieces, little puzzle pieces that you fit in, little by little as you sit there with the oat milk and go,

"it's me." - Yeah, yeah. - This fucking thing that just happened, me, right? - And you know, you mentioned the kids, I sort of realized also that that act of the way

that we love our kids for me anyway. My experience is that act of being loving to them allows the reason it feels so good is because you're generating that and then you get it back and it's when you close off and you don't act

in a loving way pushing it. I find the more I push out, the more it comes back.

“And so with my kids, that's why it feels so good”

because you're creating that as opposed to kind of rolling up the window on it. Do you know what I mean? - Absolutely. No, I agree.

And the kids are a great learner,

but relationships are great, you know, kind of learning grounds as well. You really get to face yourself. And if you get lucky enough to be with somebody who actually really cares and loves about you

in the right way, there's a lot you can learn from each other, even if things don't work out. - You know what I mean? But Jason, I'm sorry I cut you off. I was just like had to get that thought out.

- I know, I was kind of done. I was just saying it's a dumb metaphor or analogy. Not being able to recognize your own hair growing 'cause we see ourselves in the mirror every single day, but if you don't see somebody for a few weeks ago,

oh, your hair's gotten long. - Your hair's not that good. - Your hair's not that good. - Yeah, you can't really see the things inside of you that you probably should be.

- You've got the greatest, you've got the greatest hair of all time. - I was trying to back into a comment. - Jason's got the greatest hair. - He's got the greatest hair.

- He's got the greatest hair. - It's unbelievable.

“- You know what, Jennifer, you want to know something?”

He hasn't put a comb or a brush in it since he was 11. That's what he was doing. - Stop. - Yeah, stop. - And he doesn't color it.

- He doesn't color it. - Also true. - He's so handsome. - Guys. - You know, I mentioned it before, Jen.

It's like, you know, the, maybe I didn't mention, I think I mentioned in the intro where you left home when you were really young and you slept in a dance studio or something. It did.

- As a girl. - I have been the craziest thing. - I know, but don't you look back at that with everything we're talking about now and giving yourself and loving yourself, looking at that and going,

well, I was sleeping on the floor of a studio, on my own, not even living at home. And look what I've done, like it's kind of, it's just mind-blowing. - It's crazy because my mom and dad,

like, I was about to start college or I had just done a semester of college. And I was just like, I had a dream that I'm gonna be in show business and they were like, we lived in the Bronx.

Please, they were like, this crazy bitch. And I was just like, no dad, and my mom was like, you're not dropping out of college, you are crazy. You know how much we do to tell you, you can go to college and tell her.

And my dad was like, "Did you have a dream?" Really? I said, "Dad, I did. I really did." In any way, the next few months, she was tumultuous.

And I wound up leaving the house and I kept skipping, I stopped going to class at college. And I was going to the dance studio and literally taking class all day. I just--

- To be a lawyer and in love with it. - I was, yeah, I wanted to be a lawyer. I work in a law office for a few years during high school. And I was like, really good with numbers and taxes and things like that, and I don't know, I just could feel--

I was just good at it and they loved me. And I-- and I just on this track to be a lawyer and I was going to apply to law school whatever would I. I don't know, anyway. - Yeah, I mean, wild to know that, yeah.

- Yeah, it didn't happen. And I decided to go sleep on the dance list. I needed somewhere to go and meet my mom had a big falling out. And I called the dance teacher.

And I said, you know, can I come stay asleep on the couch at the dance studio? And he said, yeah.

- He liked me. But yeah. [LAUGHTER]

“- He still have a talent for numbers and bookkeeping”

and that types of things like, are you involved with your-- or do you just kind of just let-- - No, I'm smart about it.

But I've always been very attuned with my business managers,

like not to let my money get away from your brother. - It's not like playing the markets and looking on the stock pages and-- - I do some investing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like some people, I know, they really like the handicapped companies kind of like horses. And they really follow us. - Yeah, I know, I don't know. - I know, I don't.

But, and I left that behind and probably can, you know, do multiplication. Now, my kids' math is too hard for me when I just try to help them, but-- - You don't want to just read the other day.

This should be good. - Thank you for the treat. [LAUGHTER] - Page of a book? - They don't teach cursive anymore in school.

- No, I haven't done it for like the last few years. - I know, why is that? - Well, I guess because typing is such a big part. - I know, but like, but some point-- - We don't point anymore.

- But you got to sign your name and stuff. - Exactly. Like, what does it say?

“- They keep them in a name and kindergarten, I think,”

and that's it. - And that's it. - We're done. Next chapter. How's anybody's handwriting?

Self-assessment on your handwriting. - Oh, terrible. - Because you don't get to practice it. - But I know. - I know.

- Yeah, sure. - My brain works faster than my hand, so I can't, you know. - Right. - I also want to have to write a birthday card. I'm like, horrendous.

Wait, man. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's crazy. - Do you do all caps? Do you do all caps? - I do like a hybrid, it's terrible.

- Yeah, me too, it's a hybrid. - Yeah, I'll start every sentence and cursive and then end up going to two legibility alone. I want people to understand what they're all I'm writing. - I'm so drew.

- Okay, so this is like, I'm gonna just, because we're almost at speed around, speed around, speed around. - So we're gonna do like a little tiny something speed around. If you, if you, since it's a section, - So you're like, - So you're like,

introduce to the podcast, your music career, which is just massive and I know every other song that you've ever recorded and I just think it's incredible. I mean, you know, it's pretty insane. I just had a number one dance record, really?

- Really? - So go, yes. - Yeah, I had a new record out called Save Me Tonight. And I went and I performed it at Coachella and after that, like, went to number one. - That's amazing. - It's amazing.

- It is amazing. - And you done Coachella before?

- Never. It was my first time at Coachella.

- Was it a, was it a freaky, big experience? So was it, it's massive, it's big. And it's, I'd never been, I didn't know what it was like, or whatever, but you have all these people. And I, and I hadn't done a dance record

a long time and David get a had this record. And I, I was, I was going out on tour last summer to do like a little limited tour overseas. And I was like, I need some new songs. Like, I'm tired of performing the same old songs.

- So I'd like to, by the way, we're not tired of this song. - Thank you. - Yeah. I still do them. - Yeah. - I still do them.

- Yeah. - I did like five new records, three of, like, four. Yeah, four or five new records. And I put them in the show just for that. And this one kind of popped off.

And so we released it a couple months ago or something. - And what about videos? People still make videos, right? - They do, they do, but it's not the same.

Yeah, I don't really even feel like I need to sometimes. - Do you guys, do you have to pay for them? - I do, yeah, because it's different. Like, when I started, they'd spend millions of dollars

on videos, like a million dollars, two million dollars

for big budget videos, you know, Michael Jackson,

“you should do like seven million dollars videos, you know?”

But now, because of streaming and how the record business has changed since I started, it's like a whole different world. You have to shoot them on your iPhone, yourself, 100,000 bucks. They sometimes they give you 75.

It's, it's really a different thing. - And that's to promote the album that you have a limb probably through social media too. - Yeah. - Right. And it's not even your album.

It's the labels album and the way the music industry runs nowadays, correct me, most of the income for the artist comes from touring and is opposed to album sales. Is that right? - Absolutely.

- Yeah. Now, speaking of touring, you've done, you two at forever, you didn't obviously massive, massive shows, your whole life. You know, I love horrible theater stories.

You might not know this, but give me something that happened on a tour that just went horribly wrong and that's funny. - Well, I don't know if you saw this. - Oh, yes, I know what you're gonna say.

I know you'll say. The thing on my net, did you see it? - No, no, I think I'm gonna say when you fell. - No, that, that happened. But that wasn't on tour, that was on television.

- Oh, that's right, that's right. (laughing) - And it ran on CNN for the next three days while my fucking coc six was fucking on fire. - Right.

- And it was just like, well, it was awful. - But no, I was gonna say this summer on tour. (laughing) - I just wrote three jokes, sorry, I'm not doing coc six on fire

- Yes, this summer, when I was on tour,

I don't remember where I was. Oh, God, which actual date it was.

“But I was there and I was, I might have been in Spain”

because I was singing a Spanish song. And it was like the slow moment in the show. You know, I usually am dancing around and doing a choreography and like a fucking bikini and a g-string and we're asked where I'm at.

(laughing) I'm whipping my hair around and it's a good time. And so I'm saying, yeah, and so I'm standing there, fully dressed and I have this thing on,

looks like outfit on and I'm singing and it's really quiet.

It's just a spotlight on me and I don't know, like all during the show, I was seeing like little bugs and things around but you know, we're outside. - All of this I said to you. - They're attracted to the light and so everything is dark

except for me and I'm singing and as I'm singing, the audience starts screaming and usually they do react in this moment because I stop and it's a slow song and they usually clap and whatever before I do the little last line. I do like a dramatic pause but this time they're like clapping

a lot and screaming and I was like, what's happening and I'm just there and this huge bug is just crawling on my neck and I feel it and I thought it was hitting me and going away and hitting me and going away but when you see the thing, it starts like down here

and it just goes, and it lands up right here and I just feel it a little bit but I was, I just stayed really still and I finished the song, the last line and then I just go, and it flies into the light like that and I saw,

it's like, what the fuck was that? It's like a helicopter, it was crazy. I love that. But it was kind of horrible like if I would have known it was that, I probably could be screaming and yelling and I know. Okay, three final little things.

“What's the most Bronx thing about you that's never left a matter of where life is?”

I can't stop cursing. I'd show it. Okay, great. I love that. I love that. And then I love it and then by the way, I'm telling you, you would know this general already but I'm saying to Jason and Will, did you guys know that Google Images is because of Jennifer Lopez? What do you mean?

That Google didn't have Google Images until that green Versace dress and then everybody Googled it so then Google's like, we don't have anywhere for people to see images. A search under, so they invented Google Images because of Jennifer Lopez. Yeah, it's not why. Okay, Sergei has, you know,

that he's been asked that after that. He's like, yes, that is absolutely true. Jennifer, she walked the red carpet in that dress. Everybody wanted to have a picture of it and we didn't have any Google search picks, anything. So we invented it. See them, see them. They're so rich.

Oh, don't I deserve this for the future for sure? We got some good lawyers. Okay, and then we got to plug this because I can't wait to see it. Office romance comes out June 5th on Netflix. Yes, you, Brett Goldstein, he wrote it with you in mind. Right. Yeah. Yeah. See how funny Brett Goldstein. He's funny, but I love his brand.

It is brand of like writing, or it's like really kind of hard jokes, but with this wholesomeness at the end of the day. It's just, it's really, I think you guys will like this one. Okay, good. I can't wait to see it. It's the main for guys and girls, not just the romantic comedy for like girls. And then this is really cool. Edward James almost who was your dad in Selena is your dad in this movie. He is. And I got to tell you when we, when we filmed

with him and he walked, he walks in on this like board meeting. And it's the first time you see him. And when he walks in like all the cast and all the extras that were in the board meeting, we're like, you know, kind of like he has such a commanding presence. But even more than that when we screamed it for the first time and he walks in and his first line is hot there with that really deep voice and people just started clapping in the theater. And I think part because he was

my dad in Selena, of course. But also because it's just like it's Edward James almost,

you know. And it was great. It was great to get to work with him again. He's amazing.

And speaking of musicals, I love kiss of this pattern woman. I can't believe if it's your first

“movie musical ever, you need to do more. And second of all, are you, I read somewhere you're”

going to do bye-bye birdie, but that's, there's a while ago. That's not it. That's a while ago. I know it's a while ago. Do you remember when they were doing like these musicals on TV? Oh yeah. Yeah. Terry Underwood. Are you asking me if Sean remembers? Yeah. I did hear spray live with Ariana Grande. That's right. That's right. So when they did those, we were talking about doing bye-bye birdie. But then it kind of went away.

Oh, make it happen again. I don't know. We'll see. You'd be great Rosie. You'd be great Rose. I would be a great Rosie. I practiced all the song. Well, they, what they could change into

You guys are great. Thank you so much. It was very cool if you did do this job.

“Thank you so much. I was so glad you did it that one day and I walked into the podcast. I was like,”

I'm going to do that one day. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure you're off to go do something. What are you doing in New York? I was doing the up front. Right now, I'm editing, I'm working on it for the, I just did a residency in Vegas. And I did a new show, brand new show, the Jay Lowe show, which you would, because what I did was combine my hits with musical theater inspirations of mine. I know it sounds like it wouldn't work, but it worked.

You feel amazing. Wait, but it's a, but it's a, it's a residency where you just film different

paramount plus and for CBS. And so I'm editing, we're editing that now. I can't wait to see that. Yeah, we can't wait to. Yeah, that's very cool. Yeah. Fizzy, as ever. Fizzy is ever in my thing. Keep going. Singing dancing show girl. It's really solid pressure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. So kind. Thank you. Yes. Well, we'll see you soon. I'll see you soon. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye, honey.

That's big star. That is a big star. Massive. Come on. I mean, when I was reading about her, it's just, you got, oh, yeah. Oh, wait. Yeah. Oh, wait. That's a mega story. That's a mega story. That's a mega story. That's a mega story. That's a mega story. That's a mega story. That documentary is pretty stunning. I mean, it takes you all the way through it.

Everything that she's done. Who can do, who does all of everything. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also so

incredibly well earned. It's not, it's not because she works. You know, there's some sort of celebrity manipulation or something. She's, she's like, she does everything and does it at such a high level, and people are, you know, paying for it. And they're supporting it and they're kind of like, she's just-- And she has this sort of, as I was saying, this sort of, this coolness and this calmness and this, and this, and this, like, knows who she is clearly, right? And it's like,

so comfortable. And again, I was kind of getting at that thing of like, we all think that we know

“who people are. I remember, I remember watching, I remember that Tiger Woods documentary came out”

three years ago, and it started, and I remember turning it off because I was thinking, like, I don't think he wants me to know all this stuff. Do you know what I mean? Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. I just turned to Tiger Woods. I just want you to know all that stuff. But just anything about people, when did any people just talk and shit? Like, we don't know anything about what we would hear from your thing. No, no, no. Until we hear from them what they're

experienced, right? Right. And she just steamed so purposefully aware of her, of her, of her beginnings of her roots and is constantly staying in touch with the people that she rounds it around herself with. Yeah. And so that's probably what she's on it. Shoney, Shoney. I mean, that was a great get. Oh, great get. And there's no way you would be, you would be lazy to work in the by by birdie thing at the end there of your question. I didn't even, he had to even thought about it.

Now, that's what I'm trying to keep you used by by birdie. I'm many times. I would never know,

we'll just wait, we'll wait for something a little bit better. Yeah. I know that you want to google search or something. Yeah. There's something that needs to come up. You want to mean that you all the by birdie thing is real because she, I know, you know, we know it's real. But like,

“it may be if there was something that would set yourself up like that. No, yeah. You know what I mean?”

There's gotta be a type of a typing and just trying to think. Well, you guys know, from her album. This is me. Sure. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. We were so different. What do you mean for 2002 record? This is me. Yeah. Yeah. What did you mean then? Yeah. And you guys know, you know. Yeah. This is weird. Yeah. We have a favorite song for that. Yeah. It's so good. It's called never, It's called "Never Good."

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