"Marcus Mumford"

- Is everybody keeping cool today?

It's a really hot outside. - Super hot. - Sticking is a really hot. It's like, you can see just what looking at it. - I'm just so hot right now.

- It's so gross. - No, it's okay. - Is there a back end to your fucking joke? - You should start a chon? - Yeah.

- Just wanna say hi, it's hot outside. (laughing) Cold open is this? - It's a hot open. - Welcome to Smart Less.

(laughing) (upbeat music) - JB, I'm across the street from you. - Yeah, no, I know, I mean. - So wait, so you're up top, right?

- Yeah, wait. - You're up top. - Did you ask, what was the question? - I'm sorry. - Okay.

“- So I think I can, I can, I can see you.”

You can see me, I'm not in my window. - Wait, are you being serious? - Can you see the scaffolding? - Yeah, what's going on up there? Are we doing see the black bag on this scaffolding

that's blowing in the wind? - No, 'cause I'm on the south side of the building. It's south side of your building. - Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So on the south side of the building,

we up there, there's like a little black bag. - No, 'cause the whole building is netted, so I don't see that. - Oh, you don't see it through the netting. - No, I don't.

Anywho, so we're neighbors.

We've never lived closer to one another.

- I know. - Actually, no, that when you lived in my house with me and my wife, that was so fun. - Why does your youngest daughter look so much like you? - This is before the kids and the quadriflars

are so creaky, and I was just always like, at night, just like, I didn't want to make a sound as in a room, snuck around. - SIGARETS. I was smoking back then, too, though, wasn't it?

- You sure were. - Hey, why is your hair so cut? - Yeah, I just had a little trim ski. Is Eli with you right now? - No, I didn't see Eli, I went to see my boy,

my guy Kevin Woon. - Do you get why? - Why? - Are you in a fight with Eli? - No, no, I just haven't seen Eli, and...

- What happened to Eli in you? - No. - No. - I love Eli, you know what I feel like.

- Now Sean, Sean also has a personal hair dress.

- Sean, who's your, you've got a new person? Who's your person? - Yeah, his name is Margot. - Margot. - You both have personal hairdressers?

- No, it's not personal, it's not personal.

“- It's like, it's a whole time employment, you sure?”

- Yeah. - Kind of in the payroll. - No. - Who cuts your hair? - Whoever is heading the hair department

on whatever project that I wanted to lie. As a matter of fact, she just left the apartment. - She is the key hairdresser on the... - Oh, oh, yeah. - And she came over to the house, so that's true.

- You're not even in the cast this time, you're the director, so she had the time with the directors that I had to do in the house. - That's so fake in the house. - That's so fake in the house.

- I'm ruined, I'm doing one small scene. - The director finds his legs are broken, so he couldn't come to me, so I had to go to the directors apartment down in fancy part of me, Manhattan. - Okay, so Sean, you're enjoying your new hairdresser?

- I am, he's really, really good, Margot. - So much so that you won't take your ad off. - Yeah, take your ad off, let's see. - Well, it's doing, yeah. - Well, it's just, you know, look back on.

- Like Bill said it looked like a page boy. - I didn't say that, I just said it looks like a page boy. - Oh, and I said it, and I said were you going for what scientist, Mad Scientist? - Well, here was longer, because it was sticking out.

And you said, did you say, you said,

“did you just say to them, give me the Mad Scientist?”

- Yes. - And so, well, you've got to watch why I come and hear 'cause Sean shamed me. Is that true, or is it just like a summer or sort of, or you, is it swim team?

- It looks good, short fact that, well. You know what, I can't believe that you would habitually chew gum on a fucking podcast. - Are they? - I mean, I'm nervous.

- It wasn't, by the way, it's not loud the way I'm doing it. - You've gotten better at that, but it still sneaks through. And I'll bet you all speak for Rob and Bennett right here. It's getting annoying having to mute your microphone every once in a while. - Bennett, Rob, tell me

is it a true? - We tied you now. (laughing) - You know what, you know what? - You know what?

- People have Rob love me. - I just special relationship with Bennett, Rob. - Can be loved, and nicotine. - Yeah, what? - Our coffee chats, real hyper today.

I think it is. - I think it is, I love it. - We're having one now, too. I'm having the rare one being coffee. - Yes, coffee.

- Yeah, we're not real. - We're just in Kathy Leary areas. (laughing) - We're lucky. - Lucky, you're so seated.

- All right, do you want to get on with it? - Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Do you want to tee up your intro? - Yeah, how about you guys? How about, let's have an official guest session here, okay?

- Okay, so you guys can guess it. - All right, all right. - All right, all right. - Um, joining our nonsense today is a fellow who's not yet 40, but is already approaching

- Okay.

- They are Grammy winners.

They are known and loved worldwide.

“He was born in California, but raised in England.”

He's got three children with his wife who has been a guest on this very podcast. - I know who it is. - Well, let's fucking hear it. - It's Chris Martin.

- No, no. - Because mumford. - Bingo. - Get out of that. - What?

- I don't know that. - I don't know that. - How did you know that? - Because you know what? - It's a smart person.

- Marcus? - I liked my hints. Can I get on with my hints? - My hints were terrible. - I didn't know we weren't in California.

- Well, but I said his band sounds like a family law firm that doesn't need to be pursued in jail. - You didn't even see it? - He's been injured. - He does sound like, it sounds like a plumbing company.

- Momford and family does.

- But that was on purpose, right? - No, but, but Marcus, I knew I was just talking about I'm so excited for the doc. And I was just talking about you 10 minutes ago, so we got to see it.

- Are you going to come? - Yeah, man. - Are you going to come off? - It's just down the street. - I might be working, but I might be able to make it.

I think my wife will be there, which that's all anybody ever cares about. - She's my date. - Have you ever guessed a guest from their laugh before they've done the review?

'Cause I was really, they freaked me out, man. Your guys freaked me out, they're like, don't breathe. - Oh, really. - Until the reveal. - And I wanted to laugh 'cause you're very funny.

- Did they make you think that we're like, that we're, that we're, we're, we're prone to rage. Like if we hear. - No, they just, no, they made me feel, you know, in a very polite way,

like I would ruin the entire show. - Fire, fire, fire, fire.

- And the whole surprise thing is.

- It's so, no, it's, it's a waste. It just saves us from doing homework. And the audience already knows who it is. We're the only two decks that don't know who the guest is by the time the episode is up.

- Yeah, there are. - There are. - But listen, it's fun. We're having fun, okay, Jason? - Yeah.

- Look into it. - Okay. - Marcus, welcome to Smurlust, it's time. - It's time, yeah. - I'm so, I'm genuinely so,

I was early on Smurlust, I was very early. - You came, you came to the show in LA. I remember you, we went to an early screening of Maestro together, did. - Yeah.

- And you said, and it was right after our show and you said, I came to the show and I said, you know, it's so surprised. - It was the night you guys were filming and it was really hectic.

- Well, was this, you mean like, I show? - Oh, oh, yeah. - In the dock? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, the one down town. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- That was theater, I can't remember what it was called. - Orphan, I didn't want to bother you 'cause it was super hectic. But yes, I came to the show. And I've been, I've been this year's show

for a very long time. - It's crazy. - We're ready for notes too. - Do you have any notes? - Yeah, we have a few notes.

- Yeah, how would you jump up here? - We're looking to do, you know what?

“- Here, here the hash it was a low point, I think.”

- Yeah, it's all low points. - What we do is, what we do is, we establish the bar and low, early, right? And then everything feels like a win. - The only way is up.

- I love it, it's just very cozy. I love it. - I tell you something Marks is what's interesting. You brought up something, and you were about to tap into a runner on thematically,

is that you told me that you were at the show, and I vaguely remember at the time sort of saying, I wish you would say to hi, and then you just mentioned, we was hectic and you didn't want to say hi, you came to our show and didn't come back stage and say hi.

- No. - Jason has thought of this. - Yeah, it's been a while on hold on. This is, we're not talking Broadway theater. - Yeah, right, let's do it, right?

- What's your opinion on this? - It's a joke. - Yeah, it's a joke. - I went to see, you know who I went to see last week. In extra was Tim K.

Now, do you know Tim K? - Yeah, it's really good. - It's one of my favorite comics of all time, I think. - It's genius.

- And I went and watched his show, and was about to leave and thought to myself, now he knows I'm here, he helped with the tickets. It is rude to leave. - Well, that's different.

- If someone has helped you with the ticket. - Amen. - Without saying a great show. - But so how about this, right? So you are a musician and you are in live,

venues and theaters. And so you know there are some famous people that come see your shows. - Oh God. - There we go.

- Is the same rule apply there? Do you aware who's in there? Are you offended if they don't come back and say, "Hey, great show." - No, culturally, very different in music.

- Very different. - Very different. - See, so more of a, I'm more of a rock and roll guy at heart, guys. - And the way it was, your position, Jason.

Are you a no show? Are you a no show at the show?

“- I think it's presumptuous for people in the audience”

who are famous or even pseudo-famous to think that, "Oh, they'll be welcome backstage." Because you share fame. - That's awesome. - To come say hi, it's just like, it's so arrogant.

Like just, "Yeah, how loud." - And let it's more like you probably want to see me 'cause I'm really famous, so I'll bless you with my friends, right? - Yeah, and let you know how great I think you are. - Right.

- Oh, no. Or talk about how great the program was,

- Right. - Or find something polite to say. - There's that famous clip from them with Donna, documentary Truth or Dare,

“we're in Kevin Costner, comes backstage,”

and you see that? - Oh, no. - And he goes, "Yeah, I thought," and she just spent three hours, you know, she's drenched in sweat, you know,

performing for 5,000 people. And he goes, he says, "Yeah, we thought it was really neat." - Oh, yeah. - And she turns to the cameras, she goes, "Anybody who calls my show neat has got to go?"

- Right. - You're trying to vote for him. - No, she laughs and she goes, "Ah." - Like that. - On camera.

- My favorite backstage moment like that, when I was invited, very explicitly invited backstage was after Kendrick Lamar played Bonnery. And there was a sort of message that came down from on high that Kendrick would like to see,

and when Kendrick calls you come, right? - Sure, sure. - 'Cause he's the character, yeah. - And I know that last time I heard one. - And it was like, "You can go in now."

(laughing) And he took off almost all of his clothes, as I walked in. - Wow, that's more like Bonnery, if you. (laughing)

- We'll be right back after these messages. - Wait, it was amazing. And I thought like, the gumption, the gumption to be like, "Yeah, come on back off to the show." And it'll be the very moment when I take all my clothes off,

and I'm just down to my on-dees. - It's confess. - Well, have a chat. - I don't know. - But aren't you comfortable with that?

Like even on a TV set or a film so whatever, people knock on my trailer and I'm like, "Come in, I'm dressing." - I don't cry. - It is a dressing room.

- Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that's-- - You know, Marcus, you bring up Tim Kee,

whom I also adore, and he did that incredible film

with your wife, Dead, the Ballet of Wallace Island, which I love that film. Dead, I did, too. Brilliant, brilliant film, wasn't it? We're not, we're not gonna get into Carrie's career,

but I mean, I'm kidding. - 'Cause I haven't seen a lot of it, but that one I've seen three times. (laughing) I love that one so much.

- So mean too, you guys, I urge anybody to see the Ballet of Wallace Island. It's such a beautiful little film. It's so funny and poignant and just a beautiful, beautiful film.

- Well, I got so into Tim's podcast. He's got like a radio for, it's not podcast, it's a radio show in the UK on public radio, and I got so deeply into it and COVID that when he wrote to Carrie with the script,

I was like, you absolutely have to do this movie. - Oh, well. - Kevin Tom Baston together. - Ah, phenomenal.

- Tom Baston, amazing too.

- Yeah. - I'm so amazed. - And just for my sister, your wife is Carrie Mulligan, just so portraying my sister in case she does. - Yeah, hi, Tracy.

- Yeah. - Tracy almost crashed. She was trying to... - You're driving. - You're driving.

(laughing) - Hey, Siri. (laughing) - Who is Mulligan? - Who is Mulligan?

- The Colour Wisconsin, the mother of Paul in her head. (laughing) - Wait, so Marcus, getting back to that for one quick second, she can't possibly see all your shows, 'cause you're playing almost every week.

- No, she actually broke her record. - So are you allowed to not see all of hers? - Yeah, yeah, she came on tour.

“I think she, in one year, maybe was that 48 shows.”

- Oh, come on. - And watched, two. - Not the whole thing. (laughing) Top, top and tail, yeah, she really, she really...

She says she likes her band. - I recorded music. (laughing) - I have some caveats.

First time she saw our band play,

she thought we were quite shouting and to be fair. I think she's right about that. But then, she's put up with it for a long time. But then, yeah, she doesn't feel like if she's on the road, she has to come to every show.

- Wait, Marcus, did you guys meet at the summer camp am I right about that? - Yeah, we met at Bible camp. Yeah, I was 10, she was 12. - What?

- Oh, yeah, nice. - So you guys were, she started to tell some of the story, I think I was right. - I'm not about her band. - Yeah, they were pen pals, right? - Yeah, we were pen pals, yeah, and she still has

the journal entry from the day we met, where my cousin was there, who was two years older, he was age appropriate for her. - Man, she got a eight and a half out 10. But I, who was definitely not underlined,

boyfriend material, got a nine out of 10. - Wow. - Go figure out. - So then, what made you not boyfriend material 'cause you were just 10?

- I was 10 years younger, and I was also a foot shorter. - Oh, yeah, it wasn't because you were some, it wasn't because you were a monster, running around and being a person. - No, well, she did write in her journal

that I was a bit aggressive on the soccer pitch. - Yeah, sure, I know. - That I got in a bit heavy on some of the tactics, which lines up, but then we stayed in touch as kids, I guess, and then we reconnected in our 20s,

“and did you late number, are you still a heavy tack?”

- Or, I mean, yeah, well, yes. - Yeah, yeah, it's one of the few times I'll drop a seabon in earnest, it's co-ed soccer

and I used to play co-ed soccer,

and, you know, you can't retaliate, at least where I come from, you know, women tackles you really hard. You can't retaliate, so, yeah, I get it, yes, and the rage comes out on the football field.

- Oh, it's a big, big game on right now, Willie, I bet you can say no, I know. - And guys, whoever will get this this, I know. - I can't leave, we've done this, I know. - I know, I've got it, I've got it too, I know.

- I've got it, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it on. - I've got it on, right? - Are you, 'cause I haven't won, I'm gonna watch it, well, after, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's really intriguing right now, by the way,

it's really intriguing, red and intriguing. They've just come out, I haven't got a live feed, 'cause I was thinking about, and then I didn't press record. - So should we take a break in the morning? - Are you in the UK, Marcus, are you in the UK, or are you here?

- Yeah, and so I thought on Champions League final day, we'd be safe to do a chat of five or six. Turns out it was an early kick off, five o'clock.

“- But do you honestly wanna take a two-second break”

and go hit record so you can see the second half?

- I'll do it on your phone, yeah, for sure. - No, no, no, no, no. - Don't worry about it, it's fine. - If it was an England game, so we have a, we have a new, fairly new management team,

lost a couple years and who's weak. - They haven't managed, it's too cool. - They haven't managed, sorry, banned management. - Oh, okay. - They haven't managed our banned through a World Cup summer,

and it's a big deal trying to manage our band during a World Cup summer, because if there's any kind of, we can't, we tend not to play on England days, because they're big days, I take this stuff very seriously, and I sat them all down for the third time in a bath.

We delayed the announcement of our tour, because they hadn't yet announced what dates and days, the group games were going to be. And so, business wise, it was almost a disaster, but we waited for so long,

because we waited to announce the tour, so that we knew we weren't going to be on stage when England were playing, right? And I sat, everyone down, I said, look, guys, management's going great.

It's doing a really good job, but just so you know, we've had this conversation now three times on deadly serious, if you double-buckers when England are playing, everyone is fired, everyone is fired.

“And I think they've got the message pretty clear now.”

And I think I'm going to manage to sneak to a couple of games. But in his eyes, I think summer, it's a big summer. Yeah. So let's go back to being a kid. Yeah.

And we're right in there, around summer camp. And where did you grow up in California? No, it was born in California. Oh, you're born, okay. But evacuated to England at six months old.

Oh, so not even grew up in London. Where were the conditions under which you were born in California? Where was that? My parents were working there for a couple of years down in Anaheim for a church. And so I was born, I popped up along the way.

And then they came back home to plant church in London from the California in one. God, look at that. And then at what point then was music introduced to you? Yeah, I mean, it was the kitchen.

My mum listened to a lot of music and had a vinyl collection that I was allowed access to quite early on. And then we would listen to you. And what were some of those vocals? There was a lot of classical music and a lot of choral music.

Because she was in a choir at university and stuff. That's cool. And then the only two kind of pop records she had or non-classical records were blood on the tracks. Amazing.

And how's the rising sun by the animals? Wow. And so I played them to death. And then we leaned heavily into the greatest hits by Bruce Springsteen. That was like the family car record.

But then so that explains that you don't have an version or rather you have an attraction to or an ability to incorporate these other instruments and instrumentation around your music. Some people call it folk. I know that that's not really accurate.

But the fact that you can work in all these different sounds and your music, your sound, the band sound is so full and varied. Does that have some roots in the classical music that you are all those multipoints? Yeah, maybe.

“I think that's partly a reflection of the taste”

that amongst the band members. Like me and Ben and Ted all have real different tastes and music. And it covers most genres. Ben, like Ted's the best guitarist in the band by a long way, plays jazz and blues and kind of studied it.

But plays the bass in the band, which is very kind, actually. And then Ben grew up playing lots of classical and jazz on piano and saxophone. He was a better drummer than me at school. And then we cover most of the genres together.

And I think we've always felt like whatever instruments suit

the song that we're writing at the time. So we lend heavily into electric guitars and stuff on the third and fourth records. And now I've kind of come back more to the acoustic stuff and it's just fun, man.

We love it. We'll be right back.

What about you playing so many different instruments? That's not super common, right? I mean, what the key is learning three chords on lots of instruments. Yeah, but I mean, there are. I'll be playing drums is so not the same as playing a guitar.

It is, what's more difficult. Seems like the drums would be very difficult to master. Or is it just, well, I mean, that was my instrument at school. And I took it fairly seriously and did the grading system. And that started with pots and pans in the kitchen.

I'm mad, and then, and then I played all the way through high school. I played at college just for the year that I'd lasted at college. And then got hired as a drummer in a band for Laurel. So I quit college. For Laurel and well, yeah.

So I quit college. So I quit for Laurel. Well done.

And that was my first job in music.

And that's really nice. And so I got hired as a session drummer.

“And I still like to play drums for people when I get the chance, honestly, because I'd love it.”

But then, and so, and then I learned open tuning on the guitar. So that I could play it like a percussion instrument, really. Without having to read, I can read drum music. I can't read, you know, other music. Oh, really?

Drum music look like, yeah. Drum music, axes. It's still on a stave. Yeah, there's axes, and there's not some crosses, basically. And so like the snare is an X, and the kick drum is a...

Yeah, the kick, the bass drum goes at the bottom. And then the snare is like two down, you know, where the C would normally be. And the hi-hats are on top, and they're normally X's, and then the cymbals are on top of that. They stack it. Oh, no.

So you know, you know, the note, you know, like, there's a line, and then the black dot.

Yeah. Instead, it's a line with an X, and that's percussion. The cymbals for cymbals is an X. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Wait, Jason, well, did you guys ever try to learn an instrument or no? piano. I played as a little kid, and then when I got too big to be pushed around, I said, "I'm out." Yeah, sure. I understand that.

“So you always had a great attitude, is that where you say that?”

You're consistent. No, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, I wish I had stayed with him. But you know, it's like, my parents, like, they said, you know, it's like, it's a form of discipline. You're going to have to do your practice for an hour every single day.

Yeah. And then they made fun. Exactly.

Like, that was a problem.

Like, you know, they should have made it fun, like any kid, you're going to try to cheat and not practice. And so they set up a tape recorder that I had to put on the piano and press record during my, during my one hour practice to prove that I was practicing. Of course, it was the same.

Yeah. Same music that I was practicing each and every week. So you just made the same record at once and just turned record at once. And they bought it. I was just, you know, you're not getting any better by Friday, each week.

Yeah. That was your audition for It's Your Move. That sounds like a thing in your character and it's like, show Jason did when he was like 15. It was so funny.

Mark's just played over here. It was a brilliant show where he just played a kid who did shit like that all the time. I wish, yeah. I wish I had. I did a couple instruments here in there during school and I wish, I just wish I'd stuck

with it. I wish I'd, I can play four chords on a guitar really sloppily. I just, but let me ask you this, Marcus, to that two wheels point is like, once you once you learn and become proficient as you have in so many areas of music and not only music singing, singing, you know, that is, can you, you don't listen to other music the

same way. Yeah. That's where as somebody, where as somebody like Will or Jay, who love music. Yeah. You have a different appreciation for it, not that you don't if you know it, but, you know,

it's just a different ear. We had this, we had this conversation the other day, we had a party at home, it's carries birthday and, and someone came with them, they were like, there's no music. And I was like, yeah, we, we don't really play music music as bad. We don't, I can't do background music, as if music's on, I want to like lean in and listen

to it and I can't switch that part on my brain off. So then Kerry doesn't like having music in the house because I just, I just stop having a conversation. Like if music comes on, I'll just, and she'll be like, you've gone, I was, oh, sorry, let's listen often.

Right. And then when you listen to it, do you, do you analyze it? The chord progressions, the melodies, that's it. Yeah, yeah, normally, you know, and, and a lot of the time, then that's sort of store it to try and copy it, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Who, who, do you listen to a lot of new music at all?

Yeah. Yeah. I listen to probably mostly new music, actually. And if I'm on my own, that's when I listen to music. And how, how are you finding the new stuff?

“Are there, is somebody, is somebody giving you tips on like, oh, you should check this”

at your, or how about this, you know, all those streaming services, they like, they figure

Do you find that helpful? Do you follow those? Yes. Sometimes, some of my favorite music got found on TikTok when I was on it. Yeah.

I, my, my, my new music has dried up a bit, actually. I was, I was enjoying that.

I said, there's, there's an amazing British band called Divorce, a great band name, who

was good. It came my new favorite obsession. I was completely obsessed with them. We got them to come on tour with us, which is fine. Wow.

But I just found the algorithm, you know, fed them to me. So you found them and said, hey, let's get these guys going tour with us. Yeah. And then we ended up recording a song together. Oh, yeah.

I love that. You, did you, you had to cut yourself off from TikTok? Is that what I'm sniffing out? I did. Yeah.

I just, well, I did it ahead of putting out the new record, because I just wanted to be insulated from how other people felt about it, because I knew how I felt about it. Yeah. Yeah.

And I didn't, and I didn't need some, like, comments on where, spoiling my experience, because I was happy with it for you. Yeah. And I couldn't change it. It was done.

And this is the first time I've ever put a record out where a genuinely have

not read a word about it, and I feel free. I love that. I love that. I love that. It's cool.

It's a privilege, obviously. But it's cool. So other people do socials and stuff, and, you know, we send stuff over, and we think about it, and we're intentional about it, but I don't have to do any of it, or be on any of it.

Which is cool.

“You must come across bands and stuff when you're touring, too, or if you do a festival,”

do you like, of a sudden, do you find yourself coming out? Wait. What is that going on over there? And like, and here's somebody that way does that ever happen? Yeah.

Yeah. And sometimes when we're discussing who to come on the road, one of us will pipe up with something we've been listening to, you know, because we're very intentional about who comes out and supports us on tour, because those are the shows I go to. No.

Yeah. Right. And I'll go and every night, I don't like playing a show without watching the

support band first, because it just gets me in the mood, and it makes me feel

what the rims like. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Push band that I've been obsessed with, West Side Cowboy, if you heard these guys. Yeah.

Yeah. How fucking good. Yeah. Didn't they support geese on there? Oh, did they?

I think they support. Yeah. Them and D'Avelis. So that I found D'Avelis through geese, because I knew he was on the road with them, and I'm like, you know, the rest of the internet obsessed with them, and yeah, that's

how I found D'Avelis. So a lot of the time, it's just like who's playing with who, and these little communities that pop up, you know, which we were part of when we first started as a band. And that's really how people discovered us, because they'd come to a lawnmower.

“That's how Carrie found out, but hot band, she booked a ticket to a lawnmower marling show,”

and then we started shouting sort of an hour before Laura went on. And then she was like, I'm up for D'Avelis, I know you're kicking them up for D'Avelis. So that's like a little new way, you know. Yeah, yeah. She left a note with our tour manager.

She didn't come back, Siege. She'd know. She left a note. See, that's class. That's really class.

Oh, wait. There she probably told us to apologize for forgetting, but so what is it on the note? Did she say, hey, so I did know this guy named Mumford. I forget his first name, is his name. No, you know what?

We were both, I guess, on Facebook for like a six-month window when I was still a college and we connected there. And then this was like a couple of years after that when we'd started the band. And I was still playing in Laura's band. And so she left a note with our tour manager, with her email address on everything.

But so knowing that it was you, once she saw you on stage, maybe? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was great. You know what's great about this, Marcus, is she but also email not the phone number.

Just another layer. You're in a lovely way. Just a low play, real classy, you know. She's a classy broad. She's a classy broad.

Yeah, yeah. That's classic, right? What, when did you know that music might actually be a path towards a living for you as opposed to just a fun, still not convinced, still in some, stay in the rest of development. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a shard now. That's a TV show that was on. Got to write that.

Got to write that. For a shard. I think it was a shard. And now, how is it playing now? It was also a good band.

“I think it's like, I think it's like, I was at college, I got offered a job playing music.”

I wasn't having a great time at college, so I stopped and took a sabbatical. Where did you go to come? I think Edinburgh. Okay. In my head, I'm still on, until quite recently, I've been on my sabbatical from college.

Sure. Sure. I think it would be thinking that you would probably go back. Yeah. And what would you have studied if you'd gone back?

I was doing classics, I was doing Greek and Latin. Well, literature? To do what? Unclear. You know, it's not a vocational, uh, no, it is just reading, reading, it's what, it's

a lot of lawyers. And I think. Yeah. Yeah. And classics in the UK, particularly as seen, is like a good, honest old school degree

But what do you do with that? Like, I don't understand. He says lawyers, yeah. Oh, lawyers. Well, what's cool about it, is it?

Come on. Number of Parliament. Yeah. A lot of those. A lot of Prime Minister's there.

But I wasn't on that track. What's cool about it is it gives you access to poetry, philosophy, and storytelling, and language and linguistics, anthropology, ancient history, all these things that you study through the original languages. Jason, you're drooling.

Your mouth is up. I'm drooling. So it's really geeky. And you get it geek goggles out when you're doing it. Yeah.

I bird helps you when you write lyrics. And then if it's windscreen. And it's how I got introduced to poetry, it's how I fell in love with words. Honestly. And then I started reading T.S. Eliot really pretentiously as like a 17-year-old and suddenly

words had a new depth to them, and you know, he was a classist too, and the reference is, a lot of classical references. And I'd sort of read a bit of Homer and then switch over to Eliot and be like, "Ah, cool, look at the way he's joined up and referred back to this." Yeah.

Can you just see 17-year-old Marx just writing a bicycle through them some field, and then

“just like, dropping into a field and reading poetry?”

Yeah, with a back cap and a piece of land that I'd like. I was that guy. So I sat on the train to Edinburgh, I wear a thick fabric and a collar that I cut the collar off my shirt because I was in the assassination of Jesse James, and just got deep into poetry.

And it's until, and honestly, until this last record I've been in denial about that too, like, you know, I've been in this process of being like, "This is coming who I am now, this is what I do." So for price fighter, I'd go and sit in the coffee shops in Hudson, New York, because we were recording with our own destiny at Longpond, and I'd sit in the coffee shop for two hours

every morning. I'd do my artist's sway, like morning pages, and I'd sit and read poetry like a real twat. And just really lent in to, I guess, my identity at this point, and it helped me write lyrics, you know?

Let's get, let's hit Babel for a second here.

So what did, what did the incredible success of that album do for you as, like, personally,

like, was that, was it jarring to sort of have that next step of success and recognition

“and treasure and, like, was it, did you adapt well to that?”

Was it, was it a fun thing or was it a bit disruptive? That's a great question, actually. Thank you. Finally, once. I don't, I don't think anyone, unless you may be one of Simon Cowles projects, I don't

think you're trained, you know, to have that kind of level of success. We started playing music because we loved playing, we loved each other, and it was just fun. And we got free beers. And then suddenly, we were playing 250 shows a year. And then suddenly, you know, the first record starts getting, getting some pace.

We took six weeks off tour to make Babel, which I'll produce at the time was really frustrated about, is like, why do you have shows booked on the other side of a recording process? That's really dumb, creatively, but we rushed it. And I think we got it right, but it was pressurised. And then, and then the success of that record around the world, really, and particularly

in the States, just opened us up to a world we weren't, like, ever anticipating or planning for. And yeah, I mean, I don't think unless you're a kind of pot project, you're even imagining it. And then suddenly, the shows are all selling out and you're moving into bigger spaces.

And for filling lots of your dreams as a kid, like to headline glass library, the only did I was who records, you know, I remember getting the end of the set.

We basically had to play the whole of both records to fill the time, and I remember getting

the end of the set and just being like, we just need more songs, man. That's all we got. We need more songs, because he watched Springsteen play for three hours, and he's playing just hit after it, after it. Yeah, yeah.

“So, yeah, I wasn't really prepared for the success of that record, and I think we reacted”

to it a bit by making a record on the third one that no one was expecting from us, no one particularly wanted, but we loved it, and it took us into bigger rooms as well, and that was how it went widescreen, and then the fourth record, and then we had a long gap before the fifth and sixth records. Yeah, how long was that gap?

That was on paper, it was seven years. I mean, we were touring for two of those after Delta came out, and then COVID happened. Yeah. So, we were a part as a band for maybe three years, yeah. That's a lot.

What was that, what was that biggest adjustment there, when that, when that first wave

of a big success came in, I mean, obviously most notable would be the bigger crowds, and the sellouts, and probably nicer hotels, and you're flying from city to city, instead

heavy too, right?

You're watching people sing your songs on mass, and probably getting some feedback

is to how you're affecting people and changing their lives a bit, and probably a weaker more insecure person would probably buy into that a lot, and kind of own a lot of that. I bet you sort of deflected a bit of that and tried to keep it all about the music and keep it simple, and I mean, but you tell me, it drove a bit of my shame narrative that was already there.

I've looked at a little bit, I drank a bit more than probably I should have, like imposter kind of stuff. Yeah, a bit of that, yeah, a bit of that for sure, and I did, I went in a bit. Yeah. And on stage, you'd be very out, you know, give yourself completely, and then my friendship

circle shrunk a bit, I think, yeah, I did use booze, particularly as a bit of an escape,

“and then really, throughout it, honestly, my marriage has just been the best thing about”

everything. Yeah, yeah. So, but I think as we get older, it's sort of naturally in a very healthy way. I think, most people, that circle gets smaller. You figure out more accurately who you are and what the proper fits are for you, and

that usually equates to a smaller, more specific, more precise experience with people. Right? You're not out there shopping as much for... Yeah, and I think I recognized the idea of capacity. Yeah, yeah.

Just for a few years, that particularly, I was spread really thin, I mean, you guys must find this with your jobs as well, you meet so many people, and a lot of them you love, and then you want to be friends with, and then you connect with other people, and then I found myself getting spread really thinly, and not being very good friends to my friends. Right.

Right. And then that shrinking happened a bit.

“So, in a kind of healthy way, I think, I guess, yeah, I think you're right, it's”

partly growing up, but yeah, I suppose I dealt with it all in a bit of unhealthy ways. Then I stopped drinking booze more, I've choice, then necessity, although, you know, we could debate that, and then replace it with ice cream for a while, until I was told, I wasn't losing any weight, it was really confused about that. We have similar paths in that way, I did the same, I did that route too, where I was

like an ice cream based diet after I quit quit boosts. Yeah. Because you missed the sugar. I remember that. Yeah.

Oh, wait, Marcus, you know, I'm always kind of interested in it an hour, at least.

I'm like, I'm sorry to shake. I'm always interested when people like you who have bands, and you tell me, did you have vocal training or no or how to use your voice, or because, for example, I'm a massive depression mode fan, they came out on the podcast, it was really wild, I'm also a huge fan of yours, and I love all kinds of music too.

And I went to go see Dave Gahan Singh, and I can tell right away, oh, he didn't warm up. And then, and then after the first couple songs, his voice kind of opened up a little bit, and then I, and then it was great, and it was great for me, getting two, which just kept... Reach out into...

Touch faith. Bam, bam, badoo, do. And then, did you have any kind of training, or did you realize when you were touring, like, "Oh, shit. I don't know how to take care of the kind of athleticism of my voice."

Yeah, I was convinced for years that whiskey and cigarettes really helped, and then just recently I've started, actually, Brandi Carlisle introduced me to her vocal coach, guy called Rob Stephenson, who's totally changed my world, and given me some education on stuff.

“Well, like, it's a muscle, and you have to warm it up, and I've been lucky, and I watched”

friends around me get affected by the polyps thing and losing their voices.

We've never, I don't think we've cancelled a show for my voice in the past.

Amazing. Which has been cool. Like the only couple of shows that I remember canceling, because Ted had a brain hemorrhage, which wasn't funny at all, but now it's quite funny, because he had to wear a hat for a while, but he had, like, glassed and breathe two weeks after getting that

surgery, like a legend, and we only, I think we cancelled two shows for that, but we've just been lucky, and my voice has been resilient. Amazing. But I've recently, I've realised it's a muscle, and now I have a full routine, and I've heard it, and I quit smoking, and I'm like, "Yeah, good, good, good, good."

What does that mean about the pubs?

Because I had pubs removed from my vocal cords, but it means your weak, psychologically. Oh, damn it. Yeah. It's the piano lesson thing. It's because it's the piano, it's the appearance of a right.

It was parents' development. Yeah, you should.

“No, but I think that the doctor did say that I wasn't using my voice correctly, because”

I was like screaming in bars, and smoking cigarettes and stuff, and he said, "I wrecked it that way." Is that what happens to musicians or to singers that don't know how to warm up correctly? A user of it, like, you can create polyps on your hip, but I don't want to say that. I honestly don't know.

I think the wear and terror of it, call it, is it? Is it? Yeah. I know that. I just don't ever do that anymore, because talking in labrooms after shows is the thing

that is worse for your voice. Yeah, right. So after a show, I don't go on voice rest. I'm not like precious about it, but I don't go out, and I stay away from allowed place. We also have a wife you love and three kids, so you gotta go spend time with too, you know?

Also, I've just become quite boring and munkish, you know, on the right. Is it a man to ever develop pumps from screaming? That's your date. That's your date. I don't make cancel on you.

I love her more than anything in the whole world. I love her voice two days ago, actually, a little bit. Really? Yeah. Too bad you found it.

We'll have you ever check that out, go ahead. Okay. I lost my two weeks ago. Yeah, it's still week. I still, like, if I ever did theater, I'd have a real, I would need to take real lessons

about how to use it. I mean, no, done fits. No. I mean, tiny, small room stuff, but like, if I ever did it, you know, here in New York, I'd, I believed how.

I, Jay, I was thinking of the same thing when I, yes, I didn't fully lose it, but I was really close and I thought I was just thinking about you showing it about how, you've been,

you've been basically on stage for the last three years.

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of straight. Yeah. Yeah.

Going through this thing of like, I wouldn't, if I, if I were in a playwright, now, I'd be fucked. I want to be able to talk about it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

You really have to take care of it. And show indeed, like, a full hour every night before you, yeah, and there's songs that I'll sing to warm up like if I, I know if I'll sing all by myself and if I can hit that high now. Let's have it.

Oh, by my, then I can do the whole show. Sick. Yeah. Do it usually do it through tears, right? Right.

No, that's the song because I was the one man show. So I would sing all by myself. Yeah.

“Marcus, do you have a go-to little thing that you do for warm-up?”

Like a little scale thing or something like that? Yeah, I do. It's called the Penguin Noise. There's a lot of this. Yeah.

That's good. Yeah. Really? Yeah. And then vocal straws.

I use straws. This is about like, I mean, we can get tech as if you want, but it's about getting your larynx to drop, but they're putting your tongue at the back of your throat. And opening your palate with a straw, literally with a straw, and then the straw helps it back pressure.

So you blow bubbles into a bottle, through straw, and then the back pressure helps open that up and easle that out, it's like a little reverse massage. Do you ever actually, do you ever accidentally throw up? Do you ever accidentally throw up? Can you do it?

I can't eat like four hours before we go on stage because then bits come up, yeah. Yeah. No. Because it's so quite shouting in that. Yeah.

That's why. You accidentally throw up after a lot of big meals. Don't you? Yeah. Oh, I've got to get it out inside 10 minutes, otherwise it starts to absorb the fat.

Good job. So, Marcus, we're a month into your tour.

What will have been the most important part of your prep to go on some long tour?

Do you have to get your family stuff all in order so that it can withstand you being gone so long?

“Do you have to get your body in order so it can withstand the hours?”

Like, what is, what is prep for a long time? I have been, I've been trying to, I've got to a point a couple of years ago, I was like, there is an element of physicality to my job that requires me to train a bit. Yeah. So, I have been working on that and trying to approach it more like an athletics program

and everything else will follow if I can do that stuff well. What are we looking at cardio? We're pushing weight, what's your training stuff? Yeah, all that stuff. All that stuff.

Yeah. We have a little gym on the road that helps. There's a lot of cart, like singing, it turns out the singing playing guitar and stamping

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was in the video. I am pretty good.

That stuff turns out is some sort of cardio, I used to think it was enough.

Yeah, it's exhausting. Oh.

“Talk about how did that happen, how did Jason beatman end up last year?”

Dane. No, I spit it out. Other fucking Jason beat. It was off. It was off.

Well, it wasn't Sam Giants, wasn't it? He called you. Yeah. Or was it sedacious? I think maybe I was doing horrible bosses at the time.

Maybe it was a bet you Sam contacted. I didn't know Sam, so he wouldn't have contacted me. So it would have been probably sedacious or ed or will. And then they, I don't know how they got to me, it must have got a lot of passes before they got to me, but God, that was so fun.

Probably my favorite music video we've ever done, because I didn't think really.

And I just grow to what she guys did.

Oh, absolutely amazing. Oh, four take killed me on that one. Yeah. Well, four take was the kiss. The kiss?

The kiss. The heart kiss. All right. So that brings us to Sam. That brings us to the doc.

Let's talk about the doc. Let's talk about the train tour. Let's talk about you arranging for those other groups and, you know, because you spoke earlier about picking, you know, the bands that you guys are interfacing with. So just, well, let's go in order.

“What's it like traveling on a train that long with that many people?”

It's really exhausting. It's not, it's, I don't recommend it. It's very confined. It's not being on a sub-marine. It's worse than it's all of us.

Right. And it's, I mean, it's so tough. So I tell the audience what the basic concept of the thing. And it was inspired by the, this happened, is Woody Guthrie and gang, right? Yeah.

I think they did it.

Basically someone came to us, you know, I don't know, 2011 and said, we have access

to a bunch of vintage rail cars. Do you want to go on tour on a train? Yeah. And we, at that point, were like, we just done a tour of India. Yeah.

Well, before we had any reason to do a tour of India, you know, we'd toured on a narrow boat. Like, putting up our own festivals, it's just, like, fun ways of, like, making the ships feel slightly different and discovering bits of the world you might not otherwise. So we were feeling adventurous and we'd said, yes, we did it with the Edwishal for the Magnetic

Zero's group with all chromates to show and it was the best week on the road we've ever had. And we made a film and it won a Grammy and we were all very happy. It was great. And so we thought, let's run it back slightly differently.

Let's hire, like, let's, let's get all our favorite musicians together as a house band. And then every night we'll get special guests to come on stage with us. Oh, wow. So we had Laney Wilson, Darius, Rucker, Maggie Rogers and no Khan.

Wow. And we learnt their songs the day before and performed like the house band for them. And it was really fun. And we did it. Yeah, we traveled by a train.

But that's not really the audience participation part, because obviously it was just us and crew that went on the trains. But it was only five days. So it was manageable. But it was exhausting.

But you've got Sam and his gang with the cameras in there documenting the, yeah. Yeah. So Sam made this film for it. Which I really love actually, I don't enjoy the process of making music films.

“I think in general, they're quite boring.”

And I don't really watch them for pleasure. But this one is like a reality show, right? Yeah, a little bit. And yeah, it's, I find it quite hard to relate to a lot of them. Um, obviously, the Beatles one is my favorite all-time and I've watched that many times.

And, um, but other than that, I don't get a huge amount of joint for watching. This one, especially not R once. Yeah. But this one, I actually think he did something really beautiful with. And the people involved were unbelievably kind with their time.

We made it kind of like a socialist against Browser. Everall got paid the same. And whatever cash there was left in the pot after very expensive trains, we just shared out. And it's really gave us that time, you know, that's where they're phenomenal musicians.

And we have it. It's a really cool. I was going to say it for Tracy, but she knows because she met Sam when we were at the R Sam Jones, the same guy who did the smartest on the road, uh, special that we did. So that's why we all know Sam.

Yeah. For the process. Yeah. That's so cool. I didn't know he did this.

I didn't know anything about this. And I made a film with him before he made the documentary about the new basement tapes thing that we did with Elvis Costello and Jim James. I want us to have this. Yeah.

And get in. We took all Bob Dylan lyrics that he won't be netheaded like pilfered off Dylan. And asked if we could record music for them and Dylan amazingly said yes. They were literally from shoe boxes and the big pink from the '60s. And so we wrote music to all these unused lyrics, which was really fun and Sam made

So I'd work with him before. And obviously he, he shot our Ronnie Stone cover, which I hate, but he also made that hopeless wonder of a video that Jason was in. So we'd work with him a bit before and he came on and did it and then it was asleep. And he also made the Wilco DACA.

I'm trying to break her hearts. Yeah. This is also amazing. That's so great. Wow.

I want to see that doctor. He was just talking about. I want to see that one where you go with the Dylan. Oh, it's sweet. Yeah, it's good.

That's what I'm going to do, actually. God, Johnny. I was just going to do my standard like, do you have any like one show or one fan interaction on stage that just went horribly wrong or something that went wrong? And horribly wrong and stage during a tour?

Yeah. Yeah, recently.

We started the price fighter tour in Australia and we played a song for the first time.

And it went so badly wrong. We stopped halfway through and we didn't start the song again. No way. I feel like we don't have that though. Oh my god.

Yeah. What did you say? I said, that's live music folks and we moved on. And I wanted to fall through the floor. So badly.

It was the worst.

“I think it was the worst moment I've ever, why did you stop?”

Oh, it was just a disaster. Everyone was in the wrong key in the wrong time and it was just a disaster. And would have required a full rehearsal to do it and I thought that was probably pushing it. So we just stopped and moved on to one there.

And you just thought, well, we'll get this. We'll get this. We'll get this. Watch this. It was so awful.

It was so horrible.

But I'll bet you the audience loved it though, like kind of like a blooper.

You know? That's so cool. You know, yeah, my wife says things like, because I forget lyrics a lot. When I get nervous, my memory goes and I'll forget lyrics sometimes. And she would like, that's the bit people love.

Yeah. That's the life bit as different to the record and no. I toured with Kenny Rogers when I was a, when I was in my early 20s as a Christmas elf and his tour and he would forget the lyrics all the time. And whenever he did, he would just hold the microphone out to the audience.

You got to know. Well, I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I shut up, I thought you'd go. He said it. The lyric is. Yeah.

Shut up. A little helpful elf. Hey. Have you ever done that on stage, though? Wait, because that's that terrifying.

Especially with the one man show. Have you ever been going? Yeah. Yeah. There's one.

Just, I just did it. Yeah.

There's, it's terribly terrifying.

There, there is one part where I, the line is, um, you know, I say to one of the characters. I say, are you going to be here? How long you in town for?

“He says, the weekend, I say, can we get together and discuss this one thing?”

He says, sure. And then I said, your last name is DuPane. And then one night, I go, is one of the characters I go. How long you in town for? He goes, the weekend.

And I go, can we get together? And I, and I go, uh, and I go, and then I go, to myself, I go, wait, how long are you in town for? The character, and I go, I just told you, I'm in town for the weekend. And it, and it bought me time to think of what line was next.

And did you get that? Yeah. Thank God. And do you think people know this? No.

They don't fucking know. Yeah. And certainly, the stage manager that was asleep in the wings, not throwing you the line, didn't know to say that, right? Right.

Yeah. They just, yeah. The living daylight Saturday. Yeah. And it's pretty exciting.

Before we let you go, because we're two minutes over here, I want to know how being a parent has changed the way that you, that you, that you, that you listen to music or write music, yeah, yeah, I'm assuming they go with you a little bit, but it's got to change the way you are as an artist, as a musician. Yes?

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's been a, I think it's been a wonderful antidote to my narcissism. Because you can't just be the set. I mean, you probably can, but I found it difficult to remain the center of my

universe with these little ones around. And it puts everything else in perspective in such a, helpful way for me. Amen. I've found it. Yeah.

Like so. So if you're asking about how it's affected my work, it makes me more intentional when I go to work and actually scheduling-wise, like, I just want our team to pack as much as they can into as short a period of time as possible. So I'll go away and I'll work really, really hard for whatever period of time I'm away

and then I'll come home. And sooner than I would have if the schedule had been more easy, you know? And I would imagine when you do come home, that is, that is the thing you are most addicted to completely indulging in, right? I rationally excited to just like dive headfirst into family.

Yeah. I want to get home, you know, like one of, one of the guys really likes doing the day. I just want to get home as soon as possible, I don't care which flight it is. Right.

And then hopefully be there for the school run the morning after.

“And that's why, that's why dropping booze for me has been so helpful, it's just made”

my life more functional, get up early. Because I get home, I'm not dusty in it, I'm like, yeah, it's just being like present

So it's made me more present, I think. Yeah.

“And then more grateful when I get to go and do my work and go and play these shows, I just”

feel grateful for for. And then there's season of grass cheered with the band that I'm just really enjoying. Because I'll go away and be like, I can't make the absolute most of this because it's

awesome and it's amazing, it's such a privilege.

And our audience have been so kind to us and continue to grow and that's just felt like wild. And so I want to be really good, I want to be really great at that and that takes time and attention that obviously is a cost balance, you know, but I'm just attacking it. Well, you are, yeah, you start to value, sorry, sorry, James, just going to say, I've

gone through that too in the last couple of years, it's like, if you are going to do something that's taking you away from home and the kids and all this stuff, it's got to be valuable, exactly. And if you're going to do it, you do it wholeheartedly and then you go, because you really just want to be home, so it's got to be meaningful.

Well, we're grateful of the time you do spend away from them because you are incredible at it, keep going at it and maybe we'll see you for the, for the, for the, for the dark downstairs. I will, I will see you with my wife, a woman you'll be with is my wife and I want to report Marcus, take some pictures, I'm really excited to see you guys, yeah, thanks for having

me. Thank you for doing this. Oh, man. Yeah, thank you so much. You're so friends.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

Enjoy the game. Bye, guys. Okay, bye, bye. Peace. Bye.

“That was double M as I like to call him.”

I told him. I told him. I told him. He loves great. By the way, it wasn't that crazy that at the beginning, we were talking about

our hair and you said what's the name of your new hairdresser and I said, Marcus, no, it's not Marcus. Marcus, Mumford. Yeah, I just don't think. And then the guest name was Mark, well, it's at my RCOS, so it's the same.

It's going to be going with this, Sean, but you know, it's not, it's not that crazy. That's not crazy. No. I think that's really wild. Um, I'm one of the odds of that.

What are the odds? He's great, though. I mean, what are the odds?

He is great, um, that, uh, I didn't, you know, I never knew anything about him.

I like, I really like his flavor of British accent. Yeah. Me too. I noticed that too. And I like, there's, there's a lot of, it's, yeah, it's nice.

It's calming. They're, they're different, definitely different regions of, oh, the rush accent, oh, which one's there, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's sort of the aristocratic sound.

“There's a, liver padlian, there's the slightly Scottish, there's the Welsh, right?”

Well, well, well, you're, you're the guy over there. Um, what? Yeah, you. Oh, very, yeah. Right?

And, um, like, I wouldn't be able to, you're like, okay, you're okay, you're right. You're right, you're right. Yeah, see, you can't just do a regular British accent if you're going to play a character. It's got to be region specific. Yep.

It's, uh, yeah. He's such a nice student. I'm really excited for the, uh, for the doc. I can't wait to see it. Yeah.

I didn't know anything about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be. What time are you going to pick my wife up?

And what are you going to wear? Well, she's spending the night. Oh, we're going to hang on. We're going to be, we'll just get ready together, you know. By the way, by the way, I was just talking to her right before this.

She says hello, Jason. Oh, yeah. I'm not spoken to her yet today. You guys really do. Can I take some time?

Can I take some time? Can I take some time? We can, we can decide if we want to cut this. I said, we're doing dinner Sunday because I'm not sure, and if I, we don't do dinner, I go, well, we can get dinner because now if we're not doing dinner with our, all

of us getting together, I'm doing a full moon, women circle, L.O.L. holds your tongue. Yeah, there is some kind of a full, a full, full light bulb up in the sky coming up here soon. How about that?

Wait, and what are you doing the circle? All collar. I don't know. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll do that. Yeah, we'll trim this.

All right. Who's got a buy? Anybody got a buy? Oh, wait. Well, there's didn't, didn't I try to, you know, if we ever, if we ever did a week

where we didn't, we didn't throw it a buy, we would have to call that the, buy, we would, the buy, we would get a buy. I don't need to keep saying it. Buy it. Smart.

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