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Now, on with the show. When the brains behind brainson, it's Smash Boom Best. The show for people with big opinion. I'm Molly Boom, and this is Smash Boom Best. The show where we take two things, smash them together, and ask you to decide which one

is best. Get ready for a dyno debate where two colossal creatures will fight tooth and claw to be crowned the Smash Boom Beast.

It's Tyrannosaurus Rex versus dry serotops, a debate 65 million years in the making.

Here to fight for T-Rex with its mean mouth and many arms, we've got author and paleontologist, Riley Black, Riley even just wrote a book called Tyrant Lizard Queen, The Love Life and Terror of Earth's greatest carnivore. Hi, Riley. Hello, and much like it's here, I cannot wait to sink my teeth into this debate.

Yes. Riley, what is your book about? So my books really about the life of a T-Rex, bringing all the science that we know that we've uncovered thus far about how they hatched, how they grew up, how they nested, how they bought each other, hunted other dinosaurs, really taking over a hundred years of

paleontological research about T-Rex and really bringing the animal to life. I can now wait to repeat it. Next up, it's got four legs, three horns and a shield-like frill on its head. It's triceratops and here to hype it up is paleontologist, PBS, Ian's host and curator of the University of Montana Fossil Collection, Cali Moore.

Hello, I am so excited to be here, repping my favorite dinosaur triceratops. And our judge for this supersized debate is that our from Houston, Texas, Starth is a fellow

dinofinatic, a bird watcher, which basically means he watches modern dinos, he loves

cooking and does traditional aceatic archery, I said art. I'm Molly.

“So why do you love dinosaurs so much, can you describe it?”

I just think there's such cool creatures and it started when I got a book about dinosaurs and I just really liked the illustrations and that got me interested in to dinosaurs and then that's all evolved into a love for birds as well. So do you have a current favorite dinosaur? Yes, that's tough, but I think one of my favorites has to be Struti Omimus, just because

it's called ostrich mimic and it's an ostrich like dinosaur that is known to be probably one of the fastest dinosaurs that has ever lived. So I know you love to cook too and I heard you have a special hot cocoa recipe called sedars unnecessarily complicated, but mind blowing hot chocolate, tell me about this hot chocolate recipe if you can share the secret.

This is just some hot cocoa that I made when I got bored once, so what I did was I melted chocolate and cream in a pot and then let it simmer and then added cocoa powder, small little bit of vanilla extract, some cinnamon powder and then mixed that up and then at the very end it added some milk so it's just really rich and it's really thick. Sounds amazing.

What other things do you like to cook?

apple gallet, which is similar to like a rustic apple pie. Incredible. Sounds like I want to come hang out with you and your mom, I'm invited myself over, I hope that's okay. That's perfectly fine.

So what advice do you have for our debaters today? Coming into like the facts and how what sets your down sort of apart from others that may be similar to it and just what makes it better than the other one. Very good advice. We'll start pick T-Rex or Triceratops, let's find out.

But first here are the rules of the game.

Every debate consists of four rounds, the declaration of greatness, the micro round, the sneak attack and the final six. For each round, our judge should arch below ward points to the team that impresses him the

“most, but he'll keep his decision, stop secret until the end of the debate.”

Listeners, we want you to judge too. Mark down your points as you listen at the end of the show. Head to our website, smashboom.org and vote for whichever team you think won. Okay, Riley, Callie, and Sadar. Are you ready?

Yes, I'm ready. Yeah, hit me with it. Ready to rumble? Excellent. It's time for the declaration of greatness.

In this round, our debateers will present a well-crafted immersive argument in favor of their side. Then they'll each have 30 seconds to rebut their opponent's statements.

We flip to coin and Riley, your up first, implore us to pick Tyranas Soras.

The debate almost isn't fair, because T-Rex is not just a star of the dinosaur world. It's the star. The skulls that Jurassic Park logo, its bones are front and center at museums, its legends is the stuff of, well, legend, but it's worth debating if only to remind you why T-Rex is so popular.

The first of the dinosaurs bones known to paleontologists were dug up and named a little over a hundred years ago. Their dubbed Tyrannosaurus Rax, which means Tyranas lizard king. No dinosaur name goes harder. Run reporter back then called T-Rex a prize fighter of antiquity, and that was when only

its legs were on display, and they went on to describe how it would do in a battle against Tracerotops. Pitted against the alert and towering Tyranas lizard, who ran with great agility on his two-lined feet, and could play frightful havoc with his savage K90's, the Tracerotops must have waged a rather unequal combat.

Or put another way, Tracerotops didn't stand a chance. After decades of study and loads more fossils, we still think T-Rex was one of the greatest predators ever.

At a teeth-a-size of bananas, its bite was as powerful as 13 Grand Piano slamming down

on you, according to some research. Even its tiny front arms are probably a lot stronger than you think, but you don't need all those facts to get it. You just need to see one.

“I remember being a kid wandering the halls of the American Museum of Natural History when”

I saw my first. A T-Rex Skeleton. Oh, wow, a T-Rex Skeleton. I definitely love dinosaurs now. It helped inspire a lifelong obsession, and that's another reason T-Rex's tops.

It's an ambassador for all dinosaur kind. A great way, Dino. The one that grabs your attention and gets you hooked to next thing you know you're out in Montana and need deep and dirt looking for fossils of your own. Even if T-Rex isn't your favorite dinosaur, you probably still know a ton about it because

it's so impressive. Lastly, T-Rex is great for debate. No, not this debate. I mean, it is great for smash boom fast, but it was talking about scientific debate. T-Rex is so popular that people are strong opinions about it.

In the world of science, you need strong research to back that, and T-Rex has inspired lots of debate and lots of research. I read that it's actually a scavenger. T-Rex just ate things that were already dead. No way.

My evidence says it was a hunter, a fluffy feathery hunter, like Big Bird with teeth. What? Nonsense. It was scaly. Like Godzilla.

I have research to prove it. T-Rex is like a celebrity we can't stop gossiping about, except all the gossip comes in the form of research papers based on scientific evidence.

“Like any celebrity, T-Rex's life is a little messy with lots of rumors and unanswered questions,”

which means there's still plenty of things for curious people like you to figure out. So yeah, this dyno is the real deal. It's captivating. It's terrifying. It's fascinating.

It's mysterious. And it's just plain cool.

When you can pick the king, the final boss, the dyno that keeps delivering thrills and shows even after 66 million years of extinction.

“If you want the best, it's gotta be T-Rex.”

The king and queen and all the things in between of the dinosaurs, Sidarth, what stood out to you about Riley's declaration of greatness. I really liked how Riley talked about how iconic the T-Rex was and referred to it as like the ambassador of the dinosaur world. I could also relate to how it got you hooked into dinosaurs since it's definitely one of the dinosaurs that got me hooked into wanting to learn more about them. Mmm, very good. Okay, Kelly, it is time for your webbuddle. You've got 30 seconds to defang some of Riley's arguments and your time starts now.

“All right, while I do agree that T-Rex is everywhere and you see T-Rex everywhere, I almost think that T-Rex has gotten played out almost over saturated, kind of like the Taylor Swift of the dinosaur world.”

Also, T-Rex was found when the paleontologists were actually going out to find more triceratops bones, which triceratops has been known longer than T-Rex has been. And we have loads of fossils of T-Rex and time. Dang, 30 seconds is so fast. T-Rex, a lot in common. I'd say there's nothing wrong with the populist choice. I mean, T-Rex is everywhere for a reason. We can't get enough of the dinosaur. Imagine, you know, Jurassic Park film, or dinosaur game, or really anything. But that is T-Rex and it's like, yeah, they're kind of everywhere, but we'd be a little bit disappointed if it didn't show up.

Mmm, very interesting. All right, we've got some big beasts and even bigger arguments. We're going to hear more in just a second. So, check around.

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It's like nature already gave them a crown for being the best dino ever, but there's much more to these beloved beasties than their horns. Tri-Sarotops weighed as much as 10 tons. That's like an elephant. And since their horns and frills were so large, their skulls were super big too. Roughly eat feet long.

That's kind of about the size of a truck bear. With their incredible size, these powerful

monstrous tremendous creatures would eat plants. Yep, these giants were vegans. The entire Jurassic Park franchise is based on all the problems meat-eating dino's cause. But if it was just Tri-Sarotops, you'd just chill and share a salad. Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh! The Tri-Sarotops is coming this way!

“What are we gonna do? The excuse me, human, but do you have any extra crew down?”

Oh, sure! Who doesn't appreciate some extra crunch in their salad? Let's skip around this

you doesn't mean Tri-Sarotops couldn't throw down if it was attacked. Like, imagine if the

“Cretaceous period was high school, T-Rex would definitely be the bully. Hey, give me a lunch money”

or I'm gonna eat you. Here, just stop pushing me into my locker with your tiny bit mighty arms. You know who could stand up to that bully? That's right. Hey, Rex! Back off! Whoa, it's a Tri-Sarotops. No can do, buddy. They're part of my head. There's fossil evidence that suggests these three horned heroes actually battled T-Rex and survived. That's tough, but researchers think they did more than scare off mean old meat eaters.

They may have also used their horns to do one another to win over potential meats. How cool would it be to see that? Just imagine two eight-ton Tri-Sarotops shoved fighting, like two angry bumper cars. Another reason to love Tri-Sarotops is that they've taught us a ton. Because their sturdy skulls do such a good job of lasting over time, Tri-Sarotops fossils aren't rare. Scientists have plenty of them, so they can use their skulls

and skull fragments to gain a greater understanding of these creature's lives, as well as the lives of other dinos living in the late Kretatius period. So if you're looking for a monster to gobble you up, then say yes to the Rex.

But if you're looking for a well of knowledge, a powerful fighter, and a hunky herbivore you can adore,

then I suggest you join Team Tri-Sarotops. Okay, I'd like to give a hunky herbivore a hug.

“Could I ask what's it out to you about Kelly's argument there?”

I think when she's talking about how huge the Tri-Sarotops was and when she used the analogy of it being able to stand up to a bully, it looked really showed how powerful it was. I also liked when she was talking about how because the Tri-Sarotops is so abundant, it gives paleontologists a much greater understanding of it and it's surroundings. Very, very good. Okay, Riley, it is time for your reputal.

You've got 30 seconds to tear apart Kelly's case and your time starts now. Alley made some excellent points about why Tri-Sarotops is so big and impressive, but part of that is because it owes it to T-Rex. T-Rex 8, they being juvenile and separate all Tri-Sarotops all the time, causing that to grow really, really big, really, really fast.

Grow those impressive horns, so Tri-Sarotops being big and impressive, owes a little bit of gratitude to T-Rex for making that evolutionarily possible. You've eight seconds. I rest my case. Short and sweet. I will say that it is fun to think about the evolutionary pressure of a predator

on their praise species, but I think T-Rex might have done a little bit too good of a job

because some of the Tri-Sarotops have incredible horns, so we talk about how big they were,

but the largest eyebrow horns that we know actually comes from a Tri-Sarotops called Yoshi's

“Trik and they're almost four feet long, but that's just the horn core. You have to put like”

finger nail material, keratin on top of that, so it could be even a foot longer. So five foot horns behind an eight to ten ton animal trying to speared a T-Rex. So I think I think it might have done too good. They created its own worse weapon. Okay, so Darth, we've heard a lot of good arguments here, but it's time to award some points. Please give one point to the declaration of greatness that you liked best,

and one point to the rebuttal that won you over. You get to decide what makes a winning argument. Did one team have more facts? Did one team really bring the emotion? It's entirely subjective and entirely up to you. Award your points, but don't tell us who they're going to. Have you made your decision? Yes. Excellent. Cali and Riley. How are you two feeling so far? I feel good. I'm feeling good. Got the champ in my corner.

I've got the crown on my head already. All right. It is time for a quick break. Chew on a prehistoric plant or go stock a sore pod. And we'll be right back with more smash boom best. You're listening to state of debate home to raging rhetoric and awe inspiring argumentation.

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gig running a cruise ship for dogs. Anything is possible when you put your mind to it, Tate. Right you are T-dog and it just so happens that I have a real tailwagger of a logical fallacy today. A logical fallacy is a weak-sense argument that makes a debate easy to disprove. It all started when one of our four-legged friends witnessed this co-worker spat.

“Who's at the girl? That's right. All is a good girl. Oh great calf. Another dog in the office?”

What a sick gen. You don't like dogs? Ever since the law offices of buyers buyers and sellers started allowing us to bring our well-behaved bootjes to work, the mood is really lightened up around here.

Sure, but what next? First it's dogs, next cats, then orangutans and hippos?

By this time next year we could start charging people to visit the buyers buyers and sellers zoo. Wow, wow. Gen's argument is pretty rough. Looks like we've got a slippery slope, foulcy on our hands. Yeah just because their workplace allows dogs doesn't mean all kinds of animals will be allowed in. That kind of slippery thinking might get gin sent to the dog house. Well the cruise ship is about to dock. Can you prepare our canine companions?

Aye aye captain. Attention poochies. Get ready for an absolute treat. We're about to dock at Fetch Island where rope toys are plentiful and there are two tennis balls for each and every one of you. Now go get 'em. We'll see you next time on. Stay out to be! Smash boom, best. You're listening to Smash boom best time your host Molly Bloom and I'm your judge's citizen. And we love getting debate suggestions from our listeners like this

tasty one. My name is Liam and my Smash boom best debate idea is Kondog's versus Final Cake.

“I'm now new eat whichever side wins or loses. I'll eat both honestly. They're both delicious.”

For real, we'll check back in at the end of this episode to see which side Leo thinks should win. Now let's get back to our debate. Turinna source wrecks versus triceratops. Yes, and it's time for round two. The? Micro round. Callie and Riley will each get three chances to make a micro argument backed by a cool fact. Riley went first in the previous round. So, Callie, you start this time. Let's hear your first fact.

Triceratops is the peacock of dinosaurs. Not only was it's head gear impressive, some researchers think that the frills, the shield part, might have changed color. This is a wild but fascinating theory. Evidence suggests those frills had a lot of blood vessels. And some researchers think that

“maybe those blood vessels would fill to make patterns that scare off predators. Color change patterns.”

Like a dino cuddle fish or maybe this was used to impress other triceratops. So, it's like a dinosaur

peacock cuddle fish color changing, amazing dinosaur. Either way, it's totally top. Amazing.

But a T-Rex by another name still be as cool. Well, we almost found out. And the same time that T-Rex was getting named another similar fossil was dug up and called dino-missaurus empiriosis. It seemed to even have armor plates. Later scientists figured out that these were the same animal with some ankylosaurus mixed in to old dino-missaurus. But since the name Tyrannosaurus-Rex came first in the report about them, that's the name that's stuck. If we

want with dino-missaurus empiriosis, would the animal still be as popular? And would the nickname be dino-m-dino-m-b? I'm glad to be that T-Rex. So, there's been some arguments over what name T-Rex should be named. But there's also kind of a mystery about triceratops. And one of the big questions is did it travel solo or in herds? For a long time the evidence suggests that they were mostly solo dinosaurs, because we didn't find fossils in large groups. But a more recent discovery showed

us five triceratops that appeared to live together, where they a family part of a huge herd, what were their social dynamics like? Would they have been my friend so many fun questions left

hungry carnivore watching them from the shadows of these prehistoric forests, because we know

“that T-Rex probably had killer eyes too. Research suggests that their peepers are the size of”

oranges, meaning the largest of any land animal, and their eyes face forward, high in the head, and space relatively far apart. This leads to paleontologists to think that T-Rex engaged distances just like we do with our forward-facing eyes. Also perfect for the world's most terrifying staring contest. My, what big eyes you have, T-Rex. But T-Rex wasn't the only one with also terrific

teeth. Triceratops had powerful choppers, as many as 800 in their mouth at a time. They had

shapes that sliced and looked like something you'd see today on a sword or a fighting knife. Researchers think this helped Triceratops munch on harder plants that other dinosaurs couldn't handle. So just because it didn't eat meat, doesn't mean it didn't have a fierce bite. Mmm. It certainly had me there for T-Rex count. I can't beat you on that one, but when it comes to star power, I don't know if we can do better than T-Rex. And part of that star power is the roar.

So T-Rex from the original Jurassic Park, Rxy, is probably the most iconic dino in all cinema to get that signature bone-chilling roar. Sound effects artists use a mixture of noises from lions, alligators, whales, and baby elephants. Researchers think the real T-Rex

“probably didn't sound like that, but you know, never stopped Hollywood before. And honestly,”

I think it works. Well, excellent work, you guys. Wonderful facts all around. So Darth Wads to talk to you about this mic around. I really liked Cali's points about how the Triceratops could change colors in its frill because I've actually seen that in a few documentaries. And I think about the new discovery about it being in a herd. I think that's also very interesting. And from Riley, I really like their point about the eyes. So the eyes are just oranges in the

binocular vision. And I can also really agree with their point about Rxy, because I'm a huge Jurassic Park fan. And I really think Rxy's roar is really cool. And that she's really iconic dinosaur. Indeed, okay. So so Darth, there are so many good facts. You learned so much. I mean, I learned a lot. You might have known that so many. But it was so cool. So please, Sidarth. It is time to award a point.

“Did someone make you think? Did someone make your feel? Did someone peak your curiosity?”

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We're back. And it's time for our third round. The Super Stealthy.

This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond to a challenge on the spot. Today's sneak attack is called SpeedFacts. Your job is to spit out as many cool facts and points about your side as you can muster, but only in one breath. You can repeat facts from before. You can make facts against the other side, whatever you want. But you only got one. Breath. Does that make sense to beters? Yes. I'm ready. Okay. We're going to see about our

lung capacity. Okay. So we're going to start with a Riley. Take a big breath and then go whenever you're ready. So baby Terex started out about the size of a Raven. And through their lifetime they could be able to do about 40 feet long and 9 tons perhaps even a little bit more based upon some of the largest specimens that we know of. They could get so big because their skeletons had all these air pockets in them which Tracer Tubs did not have because they

wanted to entirely different groups of dinosaurs that they took a breath there. It's hard. That was

amazing. It's really hard. It's really hard. It's so hard. Okay, Kelly. You got some. You got to

deep breath in you. Wanna be ready and hail and let the facts fly. Tracer Tops is one of the coolest dinosaurs. I think because we have so many of them. We have little baby teeny tiny babies. We have

the top has these little crannulations. And they were unattached when they were babies. And then

“we came attached when they were babies. And their horns move different directions as they grew.”

Amazing. Amazing. Very impressive. I was basically walking myself through the Museum of the

Rockies on Tajini's theory. Perfect. You know, it worked. I loved it. All right, it's a dark and it's time to award a point for this fast and sneaky sneak attack. Think about which side impressed you the most in award your fourth point. Have you made your decision? Yes. Wonderful. Then it's time for our final round. The final six. In this round, each team will have just six words to sum up the glory of their side. Kelly, choose your horn for the terrific Tracer

tops. Tracer tops are colorful spike heads with attitudes. Ooh, very nice. Okay, Riley. It is a your turn. Six words on why the one with the bite is a dyno mate. Come for the king. Get chomped. Very nice. Very nice. Very nice. All right. It is time to award a final point for the final six. Have you made your decision? Yes. Okay, tell you up those points. Are you ready to crown one

“team the smash boom best? Yes. All right, drum roll please and the winner is Tracer Chopps.”

Oh, my god. What an upset. Oh, man. I was just dancing around my living room. Whoo. It's a dark. I have to update some books about those. So, so Darth was there a moment that decided things for you. For me, it was neck and neck up until the final six and I just think that Kelly's point about them being like colorful and I just thought the final six was really persuasive

and summed up a lot of the cool arguments that she made. Very, very good. First, thank you so much,

Sidarth for this honor of being the smash boom best Tracer Chopps winning team over here. But, Riley, I really appreciate the knowledge that you brought to this. I mean, you've written the book on T-Rex. So, it's so cool to hear some of your facts that you know about T-Rex come to this debate. And yeah, that was that was a tough fight. That was as it would have been in real life too. That was a tough battle. Ali, of course, congratulations on your win.

And, entirely, I was secretly rooting for Tracer Chopps kind of this whole time. But it's so clear how much you know about this dinosaur when you mentioned you can envision the Museum of the Rockies and going through the exhibits and the growth series and the untodginging and all the recent discoveries and stuff you were so on top of it, I could visualize exactly what you're talking about. I'm sure if we discussed dinosaurs in real life, like the hours would just melt by

your incredible fun to info about paleontology and thank you for sharing it.

Well, that is it for today's debate battle. So, Darth Crowned Tracer Chopps is smash boom best, but what about you? Head to smash boom.org and vote to tell us who you think won. This episode was produced by me, Molly Bloom and Sandin Totten. We had sound designed by Mark Sanchez and he also wrote our theme song. We had engineering help from Fugia Watanabe. Our announcer is a Marley Feuerworker Auto

and we want to give a special thanks to Austin Cross and Taylor Kaufman. Riley, is there anyone you'd like to give a shout out to today? Certainly, I'd love to give a shout out to my dog, Jet, who has been here, co-ed up snoring away with me the whole time and he's been out in the field of me. I actually helped you find some fossils, so I got to give him a shout out for that.

He's helping me bring some fossils back across the study. Oh, that's awesome. And how about you, Kelly? Any special shout outs? Man, I wish my cat could do that and he'd like to smell stuff if I bring him in the house, but he definitely isn't going to go out and feel it with me. I guess I'll give a shout out to Eons.

“If you want to hear more about a lot of cool dinosaur stuff”

and ancient earth and paleontology, check out our channel, PBS Eons. Awesome, we will link to that and write this book in the shout outs. And have a use at our any special thanks or shout outs? I'd like to give a special shout out to my mom for driving me here. And also for sparking my interest in dinosaurs.

Aww, thanks for singin' it up. Okay, before we go, let's check in and see who Leo thinks should win at the corn dog versus funnel cake debate. I think corn dog should win

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