Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 631: Featuring Brock Lesnar

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It's from Chris Bate. Whoa, we're buzzing right now. It's so cool. What is up, everyone, welcome to episode 631 of this pitch. It's podcast and the boys are already got the pinkies up.

Yes, it's pinkies up. I got people this won't catch on, buddy. It's caught on. When coach, when coach John Gruden, show a shove it up your ass. Yeah, shove my pet that's right up your ass.

This is pinkies up. That's pink Whitney. That's pink Whitney from New Amsterdam Valka. So shout out pink Whitney and shout out coach Gruden. I don't know if you guys saw the coach Gruden who played in the throw-am of the Valspar,

which is where we, yes, yes, we were, where we took on. We were on the second track out of there and Patty Maroon, actually, I got a text from Maliceck. He's like, it's not nearly as fun as the day out here with you boys this throw-am right now with all the golfers trying to get ready stuff.

“But coach Gruden, I think it was, was it Friday or Thursday?”

Let's get my weekend going with just a giant pink Whitney and you'll see once the video comes out. The guy was, he was raving about the drink.

It was just amazing free publicity from a legendary coach.

So shout out coach Gruden, shout out pinkies up and pink Whitney. And I should mention when we talk sandbaggers this week. We got one coming. Finally, all the people who have asked, where is the next sandbagger? When are you guys going to drop one?

We got the Toronto blue jersey. Oh. Oh. Bernie. Also a member of the United States team at the World Baseball class.

We got Davis Schneider, where's the glasses jacked at those big old bicep. Great. And Nathan Lucas, Nathan Lucas. Costco brand Harper as we were called team. Yeah, team.

Team, we'll Harper. That might, that, that didn't throw him off though. He was nails that hole around. He could drive. He got his drive.

This is a hell of a match.

Two o'clock Eastern Thursday. So please everyone tune into that.

“We'll probably be recording right around then too, right?”

Don't forget about the camiose from Oshanty and Yamamoto. Oshanty. Um, yes, and we do bring up the fact that biz completely mushed. That's wrong. Blue jersey.

Game 7. Showing up there. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about it with him.

I think they said you're not welcome back at any games. Yeah, we're either. They said any game that means something biz you are not. I don't know about. I don't know.

Blue Jambacitor jacket. Oh, Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you're getting a metal, a metal version of it. You can put it right next to that ripped up trash can when to clerk $5,000. What do you just hot? No, I'm just sick.

I'm just sick. I've got a, I have got a little bit of criticism on it online. This thing is unbelievable. People have churped it. But it's freaking metal.

Metal. Metal leads that are welded together. It makes it looks like a, it looks like a jersey. Can you not tell it looks like a jersey? Oh, yeah.

We could have went through a fucking war, but that's kind of what the Leafs have been through. We're looking for here. What would we do? He's fucking, he's Crawford at it. That's the whole fucking rebrand.

But he five years. You fucking wait. I can't believe that people are hating on that. That's the, that's shocking. The only thing is far.

“I think it's more so because it's got a pig Leafs crest in the middle of it.”

But that's where all the hate's coming from. But what a beautiful thing. And it's not the only memorabilia I have in my office. I don't know if you noticed speaking of Pinky's up. Look at the pink chow.

I'll, man. What's, is that a dog that you had with an X from 2012? What do you mean in 2012? I went this weekend on Friday to the Queen's Creek, Queen's Creek, rodeo. By the way, I got my teeth on you guys that I'm, you mentioned it.

You know what? I can't do it. They look great. So those things are good. Same bridge.

Some Elmer's glue boom. This, this bridge could have survived Chernobyl. Look at it. It's been years and it fell out and then boom right back in. So shout out to the dentist.

So on Friday, I went to this Queen's Creek rodeo. Like it's actually a legit good rodeo. They had like every event where, you know, they chased them down. They rope them. The ones where they do not the bull riding, but the horse riding has like the rope thing

to last on those over like riding a bull.

“But yeah, they say normal, a bull's going to buck way harder than a horse.”

And a way bigger. So, so here. So it was weird because I was talking to this 10 year old kid who also does it next to me. And I was asking him, I said, hey, I said, you know, what's like harder and he goes,

well, he goes, the horses are smarter. So they can, but then again, I feel like they don't torque or move like the bulls. Like the bulls are very unpredictable as they say. And another thing too is it's weird is when you do the bull riding, you usually start at a young age and you just stick to bulls.

But talking to that kid and his father, they were like, ah, like the bull riding is kind of, ah, because it's not realistic. It's not something that would happen or you would ever do. Like, no one would ever mount the bull in the wild, whereas like those, you know, Bronco, buck rider, guys, that could fucking happen.

You know, you jump on one of them to bring them in and all of a sudden they're going nuts. So yeah, the bucket Broncos, the bucket Broncos is he like a pretty legit prospect. Like is he doing turning? I don't know. But I got his father's contact because this guy was talking like a, like a countryman

with the hands is laughing, but they're like, he, he's like, he was showing me pictures where they're doing this stuff for fun and like on all these ranches out here. It's about 45 minutes from town, but he's talking to me dude and shards of his school. He's got the school and literally fucking toothed. It's coming.

I'm dodging it. It can't do. It can't do. Matrix. Oh, yeah, attention.

10 year olds talking to these, giving her one of these, like this snap of the finger. Fucking putting in a reason like you want one, I might not be puking, but he, um, he was, I was asking him. So he's got a horse and he's like, uh, the way he's had a funky accent. So he, he goes, uh, yeah, my horse is Rudy, but it sounded like groovy.

And I was like, groovy. I'm like, what a sick name for a host. I go, you named your horse groovy and he goes, nah, he goes, ruby. Oh, I thought you were such a pussy saying that. Such a pussy.

And yeah, and in my head, on my, that is such a sick name for horse.

So five, first, I told him, I said, when I get my first horse, I'm in a name of groovy.

And, uh, just, just based on his reaction. So he's like, what'd you, uh, what'd you, uh, what'd you wear, a technical, a raincoat, to your 40th birthday party, like, yeah, actually, I did it. I got a horse named groovy. Oh, he would have puked at my selection after winning the, the water game, like, the water

and game. So this was a date, no? It was a, a bunch of us, like a, a six of us. We went at one out, not like a, like a one on one, but, um, so then to win the water game, I picked the pink Whitney Chihuahua, I'll pick these up.

And then, uh, and then we did, you know that one where they have the three cans or

“three bottle set up, and you have to throw it, knock them all three of them off at once.”

Where would you, how many times you think you could do that out of 50 times? 50. Yeah, we got to make a softball going to have to go and try this, like, Styrofoam. That's what he gave you. It's not that they kind of fuck you on the weight.

Yup. And you have to attack it a certain way.

Well, I missed the first two.

I tried to go underhand to get the flat angle on it, and the guy was kind of having a chuckle, and then I went old school side arm, and I fucking got it, dude. I mean, the fact that he thinks underhand is, I got the, I got the big Jamaican banana. If that 10 year old rodeo kid, saw you carrying that around.

Oh, if his dad saw it, I was imagine going, imagine going on a date with biz 40 years old, and he just shall up in these things around. Oh, he's making her carry, but he won't give her the dog. I was, I was yelling, are you not entertained?

“I was fucking lifting this up like it was a Stanley Cup, or are you kidding?”

That thing's incredible. That thing is pretty livable. Look at his high eyes, he had it. Yeah. Yeah, man.

It's the Jamaican banana and what is it, one one, one, one, one, one, one. That thing and I miss you, dude. To make his a phenomenal place. You only reason I wanted to record the podcast today was to show you guys that I know that.

Hey, that thing is like six feet tall, huh? It's huge, buddy. I made one of the girls on the way back, sit in the back of the truck, and I put this in a seat belt, because you're a lot of, you think I'm getting, she was on the roof rack, and I got this thing right, and shot, I put the seat belt on.

He's in the trailer with groovy.

Hey, what a roof. Groovy is an unbelievable name for a horse. Yeah. And down the stretch groovy comes. I could see it.

Yeah. I mean, you might get a couple, like, weird ones in the Jamaican banana on the finish line. Right there. Come on, groovy. Oh, fuck dude, that thing is way cooler than the window clock thing.

Oh, yeah, by a million, by a million, they're, their buddies, buddy, they're being

out. Oh, they're not. So I'm trying to divide us. No, you don't want to divide us. See if he could sit up on your desk so we can get his face in the picture.

No, I can sit in the chair and you sit on the desk. I did, but it squishes it like this. So he's like, he's like, more after a couple baths. If you know Derek Morris and you're not laughing at that, you're a fucking idiot. You're an idiot.

I might have been my best stop right there. Oh, that is fucking awesome. Yeah. All right, get rid of this Ronald. Come on, the podcast.

I know.

“I think because I'm on it, he'll never come on and after he tried murdering me that”

time in Phoenix. He jackment you.

Yeah, I went to a batch of party of Keith's with them, all of a sudden he's

dumbing me after the game, like, he's just more, I thought we were friends. I love that guy though, and biz congrats to you. What a successful night. Got one of the long black hairs in my, in my mouth. Oh, I'm not going to be sharing the joint that you smoked with with that thing.

Did you, uh, was, was the date with Cat Lady? No, no, no, no, just a couple. It was just, just all friends. Not nice. Cat Lady's done.

No, she's, not like, not like done, like, might see her like after the, I'm about to go on a two month rip here, buddy. I'm going to be in Atlanta stationed up. We're fucking going in a playoffs and you're talking about girlfriends. Are you, Brad?

Are you bringing Jamaican bacon, but banana on the road? I thought you guys just divorced your wives during playoff time and then got back together every summer. That's right. Oh, I kind of sleep in a different room.

I get to spend a couple nights. You're in the Baza. But it's the oilers loose. I mean, the wife. The wife.

The wife. The wife. The wife. Oh, why it by the way, why it got his Jack Hughes jersey. He's been begging for a Jack Hughes jersey begging and it came yesterday.

Yeah. This kid asked me and Florida. 500 times is my Jack Hughes jersey going to be there. So how did he say it though? Is the least jersey done?

Oh, that leaves Jersey buddy. I actually saw him wipe in his butt with it. And he hasn't even started wiping his butt yet. So that thing, the Matthews and squatu leaves Jersey is a legit, it's, it's, it's done.

“I think I still rather than that one than that one.”

You guys are, hey, when does it get a fucking knock you out, buddy? Wait, I heard an unreal story about squanto and you can cut this if you don't want to tell it about him hiding Riders jersey for the Super Bowl?

Oh, I never told you this.

No. Yeah, so my, my dad, my mom and dad got them, I think it was for Christmas. The Patriots had like a special jersey this year. They probably worked two or three times pretty sick, actually. And they gave them both a Drake may jersey.

So fast four to caught months. They make this crazy run to the Super Bowl. And the night before, they were so fired up. Like, we're going to win our jersey, we're going to win our jersey. And then the day of the Super Bowl comes and his Riders jersey's gone.

Like, it's gone. And now I'm looking everywhere. Breeze looking everywhere, Riders crying, why it's like, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it.

And I should have known at that time that why it had seen it because based on, you know, this kid'll tell a story with the best of them. So I went up in as in these are good lier. Oh, I tricked you. I'm like, no, that's a lie.

He's like, no, I tricked you. I'm like, I guess you did.

“Yeah, I, how do you differentiate between a lie and a trick when you're five?”

The end of the day. - The end of the day. - The end of the day. So I went up into why it's bed. And I don't know why I, I checked. He had shoved Riders jersey underneath his own bed. So he'd actually like lifted up the end of the bed and shoved it there. They have bunk beds. So he's on top. And I was like, what the fuck? I'm like, why it?

The jersey was in your bed. He's like, I didn't put it there. I'm like, yeah, you did, didn't you? No, no, I didn't. And to this day, he says he didn't put it there. But there's a 0% chance anyone else had stuffed it under his bed. And he just wanted to be the only guy wearing the jersey.

So poor rider, I mean, I think we need to hook him up to a lie detector test for the bug. I think he could beat it.

We'll get the banana mountain to interrogate him. Yeah. So he got his jackused jersey very exciting.

“Yeah, I think that he was worried about like he didn't want like two of the same.”

Like he wanted to be the only one who wanted to be the only one. He wanted to be the only one. Now, mind you, he was worried about getting mugged. Oh, yeah, he did not want to get mugged. And he's going to get also the jersey.

He wanted to team you, I say one, but Liam at Finax, great guy. He, he's like, they can't put name plates on the kids jerseys. So I, it was a dev, it's a red devil's jersey.

And I was sick to my stomach for, you know, just the fact that Potha, I'm like, oh,

it is a pretty sick jersey though. I'll say that, but it's a nice jersey. Yeah, it's just the devil's like the red devil's. So yeah, that is good. That is a good thing. So what did, what did he say when he got that one? He went nuts.

Pretty actual, he went. He, no, because I, well, I had set it up. Oh, okay. I don't want to get you a red one. I get your devil's jersey. It's, it's, it's a little cool. You tricked him. You tricked him. Yeah, like, I mean, trying to say that the devil's

red jersey is cooler than a team US agent. Sounds like an animal war for a gold object. Whitney House. Oh, yeah. Oh, buddy, who comes to the most? Yeah. And I convinced them that you want to devil's one. So it's, it's, yeah, it is what it is. You know, you do things for your

“kids. That's what it's all about. And I think looking towards the NHL, we got to get to the NHL,”

some, some news out of Edmonton. Let's start with the fact, wow, you want to Edmonton, you want it, you want to just, would you like kind of thinking about this the last couple of days and you just want to get it off your chest and get it over with? Yeah, I do. And I just want to move on after that the, uh, get started with Leon Dry said, he's back in Germany. So immediately, I heard he's doing a dating show over there. All right, what's going on there? Um,

Harry probably getting treatment turns out he's getting treatment. Nobody really knows the injury. There's some online doctors who I believe were pretty accurate in, uh, what's the word when you can tell what's going on? Yeah, when they just have someone diagnosed. I diagnosed, uh, online doctors diagnosed, Sid's injury. Um, they were, they were bang on with that one. Yeah, you got that one too, but, um, some people after seeing him walk around and what was the German soccer team he was at

bear a Munich? Yeah, by, by a Munich, I believe. So a little bit of, uh, left leg, not bending the same as the right now. Listen, this is Twitter doctors. I don't know what he's there getting treatment and in the midst of getting treatment. He doesn't interview in German where he says, I, I hope that the team makes it far enough where I can come back and help them. That, that sent just a panic through the City of Edmonton. Myself included, Elliott Friedman, the top dog. That's a direct translation or

was it? Well, that's a thing. So that's, that's where, like, people did say, like, the translation could be kind of different, but Elliott said right away as far as he knows and he knows, he knows that he's still on track to, to be back for the playoffs. So the statement could have been him saying, now, granted translation to get in saying, hey, we got to get in the playoffs, um, for me to get back.

So that was the first part of worry and then they play the Panthers. It may be the most disgusting

effort of the season. They don't score a goal. They lose four nothing. Um, then they play the lightning and they, they look just as pathetic. They get drum five two and after that one, McDavid speaks and he talks about the fact that Tampa is so well coached. He mentioned, he mentioned how well coached they are, how they were just so secure and how they play hockey. You know, they all know exactly where they're going to be at every moment. They have what is now

“and has been for a while, the best player in hockey. The key to Kutrov and what he's doing. We”

mentioned it the past like a couple months. It's out of control. I think he has to let you let you let me you and Gretzky. Yeah, legitimately, let me you and Gretzky. If he wins the art Ross this year, that'll be four. That'll be three in a row. And that will be more art Ross trophies than Crosby McKinnon, Matthews and drycidal combined. Wow. So at this point, like where we have to just be and I said, if the shark somehow get in the playoffs,

which I don't think they are, tell Brittany's MVP, Kutrov's MVP. Is he the best Russian of all time? Like, I'm not even like trying to be an idiot here. Like, I think I think it's OV, by the way, OV. He joined Gretzky's the only man to ever score a thousand goals with regular season of playoffs included. Biz, I don't think Kutrov's anywhere near Dunn. So no. If he, if he did, if he was at this clip for another three years, would you not have to consider him better than OV just

based on sheer dominance? You keep topping all these like stats and runs we're talking about in

like lists that only exist for those guys, it just like it has to start the conversation. People say

“all the, it's all about scoring goals, scoring goals. Like, but there's a level to like”

getting it done and cracking a code and being able to not only score yourself, but more so constantly put your teammates in a situation to have success. Like put anyone with the guy, they're just, they're scoring goals. He's finding seams where he's like, buddy, I'm going to get it to you in this fucking little pocket. And you could practice and practice to 50 bucks a day. It's going to come in your fucking wheelhouse and he's doing it. It's fucked. It's fucked. He reminds

me of like a like a Greg Maddox or like a Nicole Yokeage, like they just slow the game down to their pace. They don't. It doesn't matter if everybody else is going 100 miles an hour when he gets the pockets, whatever pace he wants to go out. And like you said, it's the way he just makes his line mates better and the D that are on the ice with them. Like you tell me radish would have this many goals with another guy getting on the power play with them. No, like he's making all these

guys just way but hego, point like he's just making these guys better. And it's one of those things where he can turn it on whenever he wants. Right. I mean, he's got it on pretty much all the time. But when he has to turn the notch up a little bit too and play off some stuff like that. He plays

“hard. He plays dirty. He's a pain in the ass on the ice. So he's I think he's the class of the”

league right now. And I couldn't believe the fact that in that game, he scored a short hand to goal.

First, short hand to goal was career. Yeah, that was in there. I would have not have guessed that.

He came out of the box. All right. Yes, I believe so. But also, I guess based on some clips of him defensively in his career, I could see how I'm like man, we don't need. I wouldn't even come inside my own fucking blue line if I was that good. No, come on. But so back to the oilers. So the co-pump from McDavid was they have a great system. They're perfectly coach. They all know what they're doing all over the ice. It's impressive. They are a great team. They're extremely

well coach. They're extremely well organized. They're very, very rehearsed in everything that they do. It's very impressive. And when you do break them down, they got a heck of a goal at a backstop them. When asked by Ryan Rashog, how they can get that to that place with their system, he said, that's a coaching question. You can ask an Auburn that question. We were playing together a long time. We feel like we're somewhat rehearsed and organized, but not to their level.

Obviously, like you read that, you're like, uh, dry silos at the fucking soccer field.

We're getting drum by the two Florida teams at home. We're basically in the worst division,

hockey's ever seen right now. And things are a disaster. I will say he had quotes today. Let me read those. He said we're not division. I forgot that. He said the division to pillow fight. I have something on the division in a second. Oh, big David. Yeah, apart. Yes. Yes. And his quote today was, we're not taking shots. It's just everybody can be better. Myself included. Everybody can be better. It was more just complimentary of a great team in this

league that came in and played a good game. Nothing more than that. Not sure how it was taken that way. It wasn't supposed to be that way. But I understand, obviously, I understand how people could look at it that way. But it's not what I was intending to do it all. So that's the annoying part of all this and he has to run a car. Give it any time. He's still a little spicy. He needs a little frustrated. Whatever he said gets fucking. We're talking about a fine thing on our podcast. Yeah,

but we're not making them run it back, like making them feel bad about his comments. He said it and, you know, it's how we felt. Yeah. No, that's I agree to with what you're saying. Yeah. And it's okay for him to vent because he's probably looking down the road and not only tap on their sustained success and maybe when there is turnover, it's calculated and it's executed well. Like you talk about like some of the moves they've had to made. They get rid of a surrogate chev. They didn't

lose that trade. You know, they filled in holes and saved money in certain areas. The plug other ones. Like, and then you look down the road to who they played in the conference final when they got swept and Colorado. Well, that's the year they got their cup and then look at how they've been able to retool and at least set themselves up. Like, now mind you Colorado is also,

“you know, 30th, I believe in power play right now. So that's a definitely an important”

conversation to have. But I think he's got a right to be to be frustrated. And it's just took a

fucking two-year deal at 12 million bucks and you're seeing some of these guys get 17 18 sheets.

I don't think he gives a fuckable money. I think he needs this once the win. Which is obvious. What I'm saying is he's making sacrifice. He's pulling his end to the bargain. So I feel like it's unfair. We're like, if he gets a little spicy like that, he's got the quotes. Like, if some people are like holding it against them, I guess. No, he has every right to say that.

This guy's needed a goal tenant for 11 years and they haven't gone out and got it for him. It's him saying it out loud. So hopefully the management goes up like Colorado, you just talked about retooling. They got two good goalies. Like, they haven't, they haven't surrounded him with the

“goal-tending that he needs. And I mean, he took the two-year deal. I think he has every single right”

in the world to say how he feels and good for him for saying it. Do you think that affects a noblock? Like, I don't think in a million years they would fire him before playoffs at this point, right? No, I don't think so. But if you remember, if you remember the, the Lulema Rille special of Robby Fitorit getting the door before the playoffs and Larry Robinson coming in, I don't, I don't think that can happen. I don't think it, who do you even bring in? It's like,

let's get back to the division though. This division. There's one thing I need to have happened. Right now, right now, I'm going to give you the, uh, the cumulative goal differential. This is

from a tweet beneath the waves. I've never seen this account just popped up on the algorithm.

cumulative goal differential in the NHL. The Atlantic division is plus 104, the Metro plus 38, the central plus 59, the Pacific division's coming in at minus 201. Whoa. And, and the crazy part about it is, and I'm leads the division. They're actually minus seven on the year. Edmonton's plus one, Vegas is plus seven, and then it gets, then it gets, I mean, the Kings are minus 25. The sharks are minus 35. Seattle's minus 17. Has anybody ever won the

division being minus and goal differential? I don't know, but what I need to have happen is we're

“so close to this, I think we need every team to be minus goal differential. So we could truly say,”

this is the worst division we've ever seen. Because right now, Detroit, I think Detroit would be leading division if, and there might not even make the playoffs. Now, here's another thing about this. Utah, very fun team to watch. Haven't talked about them a ton. I think they're going to be unreal to watch in the playoffs. They're going to come over to the Pacific. And you look at this team who's going to be in the playoffs. I mean, the coyotes made it in 2020. And that was the

bubble, right? It doesn't even really count. They could, buddy, they're going to say, Anna, I'm went to, they could beat Anna, I'm, and then the Vegas oiler series like Utah switching over into the Pacific could end up coming out of that division. So it's just a crazy year to see this happen. When is that happening? That'll happen in the playoffs because they'll get the bill. Okay. Okay. Sorry. You know what I mean? I thought you meant like they were switching for good, but you

meant because of the wild card situation. Yeah, because so they'll slide into the, the week or

“first seed, which a book, I think might be Annaheim and I'm at a huge winning. It's Buffalo Sunday.”

But I agree with you, man, if you're Utah and you end up drawing, if Annaheim wins the division, that is such a huge draw. Yeah. I know two inexperienced teams going at it. I mean, obviously, edge to probably the docks because of Q, crazy stats you were throwing at us this morning. The attack, Keith, I'll hand it over to you for for what Q's been able to do with this team and and keep them strong throughout a full 60. Yeah, it's just it hit me watching the game just them having another

comeback against against Buffalo. And, you know, with Q, these are the stats this year. They have 23 comeback wins, 10 third period comeback wins, nine multi goal comeback wins, four third period multi goal comeback wins. They lead the league in in all of those and Q has 63 comeback wins since taken over and Florida in 1920 because I remember when he was here, they called us the comeback

cards like you would never out of it. Oh, shit. Year they won the president's trophy. They had a

ton that year to and I want to see think of it. I was just trying to think of what what may be out why this is happening and all I could think of is like when you win a game like that and have a comeback, he's punching guys in the chest coming in like he is so fucking happy when you win those games and I think that must have something to do with that can't think of anything else. But he's just a I think it just goes to show it him being like the first racing for him. Yes,

when the pole he's kind of in the back he's that come on. Come on. He's hit the news paper. Yeah, look coming down the stretch. Groovy. That's awesome. But how, but how will that translate into playoffs? Yeah, that's that's a good question. But they have eight game tying goals in the last two minutes, no other NHL team in history has more than six through 70 games. So we're seeing something we've

never seen before granted. They were beating Buffalo 4 2 in the third period. Right. And I thought

the star of the game, Troy Terry, no hit Terry. He was unreal in that game. So I think he still has

these people because we're talking about our looking for it and they they'll they don't message but it's it's off of an icing. So I don't think that they get that and they're not paying attention to what we're saying right now that if it's off of an icing, he's already on the ice. It doesn't count as a D zone start because he's not starting to mess. So so they don't mess with

people that are now tuning on this. He should be allowed to change on an icing. Yes, it's never

has to start no matter what, right? Like I will always the one guy considering their out of it, I would for sure allow OV to if I was a Lionsman. They should not be enforcing that rule on OV. Yeah, let him stay in the offensive zone. Yeah, just all that. So Florida also on this Western Canada trip. They went to Calgary. When we talked about the butcher, Gootus is hit on Matthews and the five games suspension that went with it. AJ Greer blatantly staring at Connor's Aries numbers

“and pushing him from behind into the boards only to get three games. I think that that hit”

is monumentally worse than Gootus. And I go back and it's maybe a stupid analogy. But remember, Gronk was saying, I'd much rather somebody go up my knees than my head and it's like, I see where he's coming from. I don't mess concussions all that. Dude, this hit, I would have been fine with 10 games suspension. Yeah. That was a fucking joke, dude. A joke. Because the one with Gootus, and obviously it's bad, but Matthews at least has a chance

to get out of the way, right? He can see him. When a guy has his back turn and he's taken liberties on, I think that that's the worst because it's on the plate. It's 100% on you. That guy doesn't see

you for one second and you're just completely taken advantage of him. I was shocked. It was less

than what Gootus came here. I didn't, I don't know what you thought, but I do. You guys nailed it. I think that especially for the the offense of player in the guy getting hit in that situation, the way that you're going into the boards, you don't think for a second, somebody's going to hit you there either. So you're almost like your balance is not anticipating getting struck like that, especially like that. If the guy is almost catching up to you and maybe you

feel like pressure coming on your hip, where you think maybe he's going to try to like, like, you know, gain position on you from like the side or, you know, kind of like off of your hip, but to get push like that and like the the potential for injury, like you could talk about guy being in a wheelchair for the rest of my life. I would like much rather, much rather a guy go after my knee, like as I have. And yeah, that's a tough one. And I think for us, like all of us

“played D at one point and like the risk, you have to like, because as a demon, you're going back a lot”

with your with your back to the guy forechecking you. And we played in an era when, you know, guys like Matt cooks, the tumble route to is the steep ball and no tag up icing. Yeah, touch it. Yes, so you had to get back, but you had to have a little bit of faith in a guy behind you that he wasn't going to put you in a vulnerable spot or take advantage of you, but like I think that's all on the plate. And I loved the way AJ Greer plays, like he's he's going to

sign a nice contract this summer because of the way he plays, he's helped teams win, but something like that. You got to, you, you, I thought those things can't be happening. I remember quickly talking about going back on puck Sean Fordon. It was, it was in the age of show and the

first time ever played against the same thing. I'm going back on a puck. He's looking on my numbers.

Hey, come and come and come and behind you. Like I'm going to hit you. I'm not going to hit you from behind. And there is a certain amount of respect. And like Greer, it's like he's staring at him and he hits him up high. And then I'm like, oh, that's, that's at least eight games. And three came back. I was like, this is now. So boys, this is kind of why, like, like, I agree that the system, they have a system in place, right? And there's a lot of chatter around changing it.

And it got a little divisive and bad when you know, Judd came in with his comments, you know, Gary and, and, and Perros backed themselves up, I just think there needs to be maybe a little bit more common sense involved. And especially about, I wouldn't say over value, like, what people's reaction will be to it. Like, I don't think that anybody would have over reacted, including Greer,

“if you would have got like the six to eight game category there. Like, you, I think everybody”

in agreement. So how do, how do, how do a bunch of hockey people behind the scene come up with three in that instance? Was it? Yeah. And, and are they once again basing it off of the fact that he didn't, he wasn't injured, right? No, it was. To what degree? How long is he out for? I don't know, he left the game. He's not playing tonight. He's not playing tonight either. Okay. Well,

games as a result of that, I think it's crazy that there's only three games. That's for the same

“reason why I thought five was too late on goodness. I thought that common sense would have”

prevailed, and he would have got eight games in that situation. And in this situation, like, same, six to eight should be the number. It just, if he's missing tonight. So he didn't, sorry, he didn't play Sunday. He's day to day, and he didn't play, he didn't play yesterday. That's light. That's light. That's light. So if you had not missed in the same amount of games, and you do something that reckless, that's just like, oh, I just hate hit from behind and it's like,

yeah, you just think of like, what can happen? It's like, buddy, you tear an MCL awful, but fuck man, we've seen some horrible things in the game of hockey, and you know, I'm not talking NHL, but around the world. And it's like, one thing, I fucking despise hitting from behind. When if kids do it, it doesn't matter. It's just such a fucking dangerous play, and to see a blatant one like that. It's like, you got to just set an example out of them. It doesn't even matter.

They're not even in the playoffs. So that one was was a little shocking to me. How do you summarize everything in the Pacific? Where do you think oil is your land up? Let's put a ball on it.

“I think they're going to play the, the golden night in the first round, who suck as well.”

Now, they did beat Dallas in regulation. Thursday, Sunday, huge win. Actually, Marna made a pretty sick play late in that game. Riley Smith scored three to win before they lost three in a row before that. They got shot out twice in a row at home to Buffalo and Utah. So like, I don't know. It's just bizarre. Now granted, oil is oil is in Vegas. Last three cup, you know, cup representation from the Pacific division. It's been talking a little bit of shit

via text and I asked him to come back on and he's on the wall. He's on a, on a pod strike. The thumb up. No, he will come back on. He's good, man. He pokes his head in at the right time. He'll break me like a, like a, like a, like a stat from like the, you know, last five games from eight and hill. His numbers like kind of take jabs at whatever we might be saying negatively about the golden nights. But he's a rider die. I respect the shit out of that. I tend to view him like

staff for the golden nights. Like it's like the same person for me. Like he rides or time. Like he, stuff is pretty optimistic. And when it gets dark. He's like the, he's like the, the ray of time through darkness. He's, he's actually seen like the depth of a dark deep cave.

The thumb has never in Vegas. Do never. You understand that, right? It's okay. So you, he might be like

a balloon. He doesn't know where it is. Yeah. He doesn't even know that when if they ever bend like this, they're horrible. I wonder if he would come on out here in a playoff spot. He just thinks it's all sunshines and rainbows. Yeah. Would you expect him to come on if oilers and Vegas met in playoff? I would hope because I love them. I legit love them. I love them too. Like that episode where we had stuff and Gary, like that's, that's a very memorable thing for me. You know,

we got to stuff. I'm going to lock up in the rock steady. I think George McFee and McCrimon are telling

“him not to come on. Because we've been a little critical. That's what I think Pinky and the brain”

are not happy with us. Pinky's up. Um, so yeah. I mean, I, I will say in the West, we got the Pacific. All right. The central, it's minis locked in at three. We, we, we gave call a lot of that division. And then all of a sudden, Dallas is on that run. Right now, I think it's five points. And I think Colorado has a game in hand as well. Let me check this very quickly. They do five points back game in hand. I think Colorado's going to win that. So many's going to Dallas. We know that just

to have some war. That's going to be Gary's happy. Not lawless, Batman. Gary, Batman. We want to get

that on. He refuses to ever consider switching the playoffs. The first round matchup and, you know,

listening to you guys the last seven years of the podcast, like the first round matchups are awesome. So he doesn't, he gives vague replies. I wish he would just give the full breakdown of, of why they do it. Like ultimately, he did kind of this past week when he, he mentioned we have the best first round and like, yeah, but that's being vague about it. Like, like, there has to be like a financial, like an enormous analytical reason. So there's less travel the way they do it. This

could be something. So the other thing I was thinking of too is like they're trying to like get hockey, like representation, the first few rounds in certain regions. So it doesn't like they're not missing certain regions. Maybe no, maybe maybe, maybe. But the story of the West right now is

We were saying, we were saying, we're stamp coasts might end up. We were saying, uh, what's Ryan O'Reilly going to do? Well, he okay, a trade. It was like, it was everything was on the table.

They make a couple deals with the deadline. And basically since December, they've been like a top 10

team in the league. They've won four straight right now. And they're sitting in the playoffs. And they kind of, I, I wouldn't mind seeing them in. I know I want San Jose. I've talked about that,

“but Nashville man, Saros is outright now, I believe. But dude, they, and by the way, like,”

kind of surprised that they decided to stick it out like this, right? Like, it took a lot of balls. I mean, all of a sudden, Troth comes out. He's like, yeah, I'm retiring. But I'm going to, I'm going to be around. They still haven't hired a GM. And they just keep winning. And stamp coasts, I'm very happy for him because last year was a disaster. You know, and he's probably sick to his stomach. And then this year starts off as another disaster, he's like, what the hell did I get myself into? He's

on fire, foursburg had two goals in Chicago. Did you see the past foursburg made in the game,

Sunday and close? Oh, my God. Biz, he's coming down his ways of right. He's coming on the right side, toe drags it like back to his foot and kicks the puck over to stamp coast. The goalie made it safe. I don't know who was in net. But it was, if it, if it went in, it would have been one of the assisted the year. So they just, I don't know, they're not slowing down. It's crazy. Now you can understand why they were so upset when they got rid of McCarran and Smith,

just because they're like, fuck man, we believe in what we got in here. It's, yeah, that's a crazy run. And they've been doing it like silently. You really? I know. You're kind of like, either coming over, are they for real? Like, they got to be dropping off here at some point. But they're just chipping away. I would definitely rather see them than, um, LA LA or Seattle. Seattle, Seattle, I want to see Kobe making his last year. Seattle takes a beating on this podcast.

And they stole Bobby McMahon and all of the studies turned into fucking Wayne Gretz, he since he's been there. Do you think, like, because with all the talk of making trades before the deadline getting rid of Stan coast or Riley, like, do you think in, you know, all the talks was all with such a buyer's market? And then there wasn't as many trades as you thought. Do you think it was one of those things where they couldn't get deals done and they're like,

all right, fuck it, or do you think they sat down with, like, no, we got to ride this one out and

“try to make it. I think that those older guys probably have a lot of pride in and they were”

probably maybe here in some of the noise and we're like, we don't want to go anywhere. We can solve this problem. And like, I think that those types of guys really feed off of, like, people may be doubting them a little bit. Like, look at how many injuries that Stan coasts has had to deal with, where people are like, ah, then he gets, like, essentially shunned away from Tampa. Like, you got to have a chip on your shoulder, same thing with March is so man. He's like, I'm going to

original misfit and you fucking, you're not going to buck up based on the culture I've helped create here and then deliver a Stanley cup and then I fucking won the con Smith. In that cup run, I think there's a lot of pride there and it seems like they figured it out. I mean, they'll look at the three guys we're talking about. Yes, fucking two, two con Smiths and Stamber just hit the 500 goal or 600 goal mark, right? Yeah. So that probably has a time to do it now. So it's been a pretty

cool run for them. Great run. Oh, at least the east is where the real magic is right now Saturday night Detroit man, they, it's crazy what's happening. I don't know if they're going to get in the Bruins when a huge game in regulation. It was sick performance by Jeremy Swam and he was out of his mind. I would say a couple goals went in and Detroit. You'd like to have those backs of dooroffs,

“kind of weak shot. I think that ended up being the winning goal. But I couldn't believe”

posture knockhead one of the best snipes I've seen him. It was his first power play going 21 games,

kind of shocking there with the Bruins who've been horrific on the road. They go in and get a huge W right now. Detroit's not in the playoffs. Then Sunday Islanders Columbus, this Columbus team, I mean, we've mentioned them, but like this is this is out of control. Boins comes in there. They basically are unbeatable since he came. They go into the Islanders. I saw some tweet I wish I saved it about if Columbus had won that game Sunday. They were like 95% odd to get into the

playoffs. I think by losing a drop to 80% now granted, those odds are kind of wild who knows how legit they are, but the Islanders get a huge win. And what happened at the end of the game business? Did you see the prodigy, the next greatest defenseman of all time, Matthew Schaefer, play the final three minutes of the game? No. I saw that sniper at the other night where he pulled it in, just zipped it in Ottawa and they blew that game. I think Brady scored late in that

talk about that in a minute. But the Islanders just won't go away. Now in this game, okay? They're up

one nothing. Andres leaves driving the net. Horvac puts one on net, pass off the pads from the point blatant biz you're favorite playing hockey. He's driving to the net. It hits him. He kind of gets dragged down goes in. When I tell you, I was shocked that they were reviewing it or challenging it, Columbus. Like, I was like, what are they challenging? Oh, there's no way. There's zero chance.

“It got called back. Biz, I need you to somehow watch this goal. Keith, did you see it?”

Yeah. It's crazy, Biz. And I'd love to see your live reaction of watching. And the great point by you, the fact that they even, how are they doing? Yeah, shocking. Because it should have been one of those things that I get ready for the face off. But then we got to figure this out before playoffs, the goal tender in the fear, because it imagined a series ending and something like that. There was one in Pittsburgh that they were bitching about two that I, it would have, it would have

kept things two nothing the other after. I think it was against Winnipeg. No, it was a Carolina. No, it was, it was Winnipeg. They were down two nothing. And then there was like fucking three goals. Oh, yeah, you texted the group chat about that. Yeah, I was like, why is, yeah, but no, I didn't see this one. I need to see it. Oh, buddy, it's sending it over. He'll send it over to you. And I need to get your, your, your reaction watching it. But within the first two games, because what do we get?

“We get to get eight series in the first round. There will be, if, if it's going like it's going,”

like there's going to be a goal called back or a goal that stands where people are going to be losing their goddamn minds. Because nobody has a clue, Biz, what? No, no, no,

so it's, it's, it's always something, right? I feel like every year or maybe every two years,

there's something that just is happening so much that it's, it's hard to, like, not notice it. There's been so many people online bitching about the, the goal-tender interference and these goals being called back and/or allowed being like, we don't know what it is. Because at night tonight, it's like, wait a minute, that goal last night, that exact identical thing happened. And they ruled that the other way. Sometimes there's very little variables that other fans don't

notice, like maybe skate, skate makes contact with the goalys skate inside the crease and they're looking at like the trapper because the trapper was messed with. So sometimes like, it's like the off-sides were like, oh fuck yeah, I didn't even, like, recognize that he had control in that situation where to the blind eye, the casual fan might. But there's some that have been happening there at an inexcusable. And you're thinking that this is just going to continue into playoffs and it's

going to end up resulting in a mega mega thing going on online. Oh, it's going to be a meltdown. You know, like usually if the goal goalie thinks it's at interference, they'll like give a hands-up or like the coaches are looking at the TVs on the bench. There wasn't even any of that. So they didn't, I don't, I don't understand how they even challenged it. I don't know. And for anyone, just Google Anders Lee goal called back Islanders Columbus March 22nd. And it should pop up. And it's

just something at this point where like, I feel bad for the video coaches because these guys, they got so much pressure on them. They're in these playoff chances. Then you actually get into the playoffs and you got like five seconds to be tell the coach, challenge it or not. Right. When these guys probably have no idea, although I've given credit whoever Columbus's goal video review guys, like he obviously saw something. Right. Because he was the only one ever. I think there was got,

I think, I live, it went in off Olivia, I believe. And he was probably like, oh, fuck. Are they trying to say that he didn't give the goal with the ability to make the stop?

Where do they put on Olivia's tackle them into the goalie basically?

“No, I know Olivia is on his back. So that's why I'm like, okay, well, contact is because of”

Olivia and his back check. And he's sliding in. Are they, are they basically saying that he didn't try to do anything in order to like make sure that his stick and body blocked the goalie, making it play on the puck either way. The guy in the goalie is hanging out with the banana Jamaican man who was making like, oh, is this guy blind in high brother? Hey, but the gold tender's at like the top of the crease, too. The puck's like, it's not like he's at the goal line where he can

push across. It's crazy. This one is just burruts. If that's crazy, I won't watch another game. Can you imagine if that, if that was a playoff game? And it's one one in the third. They're, I think they're what they're saying is, even though he got pushed in the back, his stick poking at his pad and that direction, he could have like made, but brought the other way, but once again, he's being tackled from the back, like you have to like take that into a,

into the playoffs. Like the race is right now. Like there teams are trying to get in. If that

“imagine that you lose by two points, and that's why I don't, it's basically, yeah, it basically”

is the playoffs for a lot of games. So that's your prediction is we're going to have a big one come high. Oh, we're going to have, we're going to have in game one or two late in the game, there's going to be a goal reviewed or challenge. And every single person and our group chat is going to be going, I got no clue what's coming back here. It, you know, like a fat one happened in playoffs. I'd be, you know, I was on the broadcast. I'd be like, what the fuck, not to mention that was

all the ball. I would have bet my life savings. That would be a goal. Don't do that. I know. Yeah, I mean, it was called to put it in the coin, my posture. Ottawa, Ottawa's got to go in a little bit. I don't know if you saw the quotes from Travis Green,

weird before they played the islanders. He said, uh, first of all, Brady's a great player

talking about Brady. He could shock. I've said this many times. We're lucky to have him. It's been an emotional last month and a half to six or seven weeks for him. Has he been the best version of

“himself since he's come back? I don't know if he has been every night. I think there was some fatigue,”

but I'll say it again. We're lucky to have him. He goes on and on a little bit, not the end of the world. Right, very, very open about how much we love having this guy. He's our captain. But he threw the shot in there, and what is Brady to do to start that game? He fights Anderson Lee off the opening job. Like I love that. If you're a senator's fan, you got to love that a little not a huge call up by the coach, but some one of a call out. And he's like, all right, I'll take this thing into

my own hands. So I think that the whole season in Ottawa has been weird. If they get into it, I do, I can easily see them going on a run. Do you think they end up pulling this off? I need to get into playoffs. Okay. I think that they're the best team out of those teams that are fighting for the wild card, too. Like I've, it Boston unreal season. Like they have over a cheat and I, I think that they're going to fight to the end and if they get in,

“but I wouldn't be shocked either. But I think that Ottawa, when like when healthy and clicking,”

I think that they're more dangerous. I could see them making a deeper run. Like I would, if I'm Buffalo, I would not want to meet them. Oh, that being great serious. You talk about how good the East is, specifically the Atlantic. They're 13, 3 and 2 since January, 25, and they're still not in the playoffs right now. So it's just like every game gets their 3 points out of it. It just seems like these teams Buffalo barely ever loses. So that, that doesn't help. And then all these

other teams that Columbus is running, it's just been, it's been amazing hockey. It's going to be an

incredible final 12 games for all these teams. I think hopefully we get a race down to the final game. It looks like the only sure bet I have, I think would be as I think if Carolina draws the islanders, I think they beat them in five games. That's the only one. I think they spank them. I've also think that they've, they've ridden shape or so hard. I think that from an islander perspective, him not going to Olympics was huge. They have just been riding it. You said that he

played the final three minutes of the game the other night. Yeah. And in the final 30 seconds, like basically with his foot speed broke up like three or four different plays and they cleared it out and then he raised his hands. I was like, this is unbelievable. Like he's not just scoring goals, which now I think does he have 23 now or 22? I don't know, but I think that was it. You said that goal was against auto with the other night where he just pulled it in and zipped it. Yeah. That was

a seed. Now, they, Benny, Benny sniped one in Montreal. Which was a clap or wasn't it? It was, yeah, it was three and all of a sudden Montreal just ran them out of the building because you whole, whole, cold, cold field, boys. That standing ovation, I'm glad you brought that up because I saw the club event on my, oh my god, that guy no wonder they call him the cock. He just got a fucking like a minute standing. Oh man, I thought that they were fucking retiring Patrick was jersey or

something. That building is fucking insane. Yeah. You look scored was a you who tweeted or posted to the group chat about the first goal, new hook. I then got it and that building erupted. It's a, that's a crazy place, man. So that night, um, Pawfield had three goals to assist. And I think I've apologized for this before and just bad take not a, not a, not a puck no or Slavkovsky's awesome. He's so young still. He's got over 60 points this year. He's coming up on 30 goals. That line of

Suzuki, coffee, and, and Slavkovsky, it's incredible. What they're doing, they're getting the toughest

matchups every night. Coffee, it's got 43 goals. He's two behind McKinnon. It's called the Woopline. Really? They had a Woopline, Pat Perseye missed out on Woopline, next Suzuki. So they called it the Woopline. Woopline. Woopline, they go. Woopline. That's so well. They're call and call field, uh,

imagine playing for the Montreal Canadians, looking like him, he's a very handsome young fella. He's a, going out in Montreal. It's like, have you guys heard the song all the fans sing for him outside the stadium? It's like that European soccer type song. It's like, coffee yields on fire. Your defense is terrified. Coffee yields on, not at, not at, not at, not at, not at, not at, not at. Send us a clip of that. It's unbelievable. And the smile that kid hasn't his face after these goals. He's got the

dimples on like this fucking guy. Is he single? Do we know? He's been holding on. Hey, when he got this

third one, he kind of like mean mugged it a little bit. He was just sitting there and then he went.

And just starts smiling. The place went even more nuts. This is, you know what, this is thinking right now. He doesn't care about the 43 goals. He's like, what is this guy doing after a hat trick and two assists? Oh, I know exactly what he's doing. He's just, you know, hope he has a girlfriend. He's thinking, I'm earning the earning and gaining the confidence to have another crack at the sandbagger because of how much we bought at the first time.

“Like, I got a text from him during a lipid break. I think it was him and Zegras. And they go,”

we want the bagger again. I go, who's your third? I fucking totally forgot about that. It just came to my mind. Um, him taking in though that standing. Oh, like, just like, you could tell he just like, he, he like, he just wants the guys. I can like, he can beat that guy in the moment. Like, he thrives for it. He knew he should be there. Like, I, most guys would be like, he was just taking it all in shaking it. It felt like a fucking movie man. Yeah. He is a complete sniper. The first

goal that he got that night, he's unbelievable at just getting it like right under the bar in tight, short side. I, I, I, I feel like I've seen him score 10 of those this year. Um, so Montreal, they keep, they keep doing their thing. It's pretty cool. Okay. Okay. This is what I got.

They go, the two beauties. He goes, re, ego, rematch. I go 1,000 percent. Who's the third?

And then they send me this picture of Jack. I, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the sheriff looks like the Viva Vendetta face. Okay. He's got the little flavor saver with the with the stash and the go T. I go. Are you insane? Where do you think they were when that that picture was taken of, uh, let me see it. Are they sunburned? Let me see. You want to see the sunburner? Yeah. Look at the, I just wanted to see if they're sunburned. All right. So they were probably in Turks and

“Kgos. I think those, what's that place where you just party and it's expensive. And it's like,”

no, okay. That's some. St. Martin. I think they're so smart. Those are those in the Bahamas. No, they're not same parts. Country. Oh. They were in the Bahamas. That's where they went for their little treat. So Ziegres in, uh, in coffee, old one. Hey, shout out to both those guys for having big years. Yeah. And by the way, Philly is like not dead, but Philly is not dead. Oh, hey. They're five points out.

They're nine and three in their last 12 games. Fires fence. They have to be somewhat happy. No, they're miserable. There's no, but you know what they're happy about, though, is after that incident in Anaheim, where he went the, like, he's suckered that other demon right in the face. Mittnikov. We got Mitch Kov, Embers Am, Mitch Kov versus a Mitch Kov. And he didn't. He fucking skated away. And he's been lightened up since he had a hell of a game in L.A. He made a

couple big plays. He, I want to say, have the assist and overtime in overtime. Yeah. He didn't even like, it was like a businesses, but yeah, it was a business, but any ammunition that people can get pleasure out of, give it to him. And he did have his hundred point, um, which is a pretty good one. The boys in the room saw that. So that's good. It's good. These get a little more camaraderie

“with the boys. I think is there English is getting a little better. He's getting in better shape.”

It's a things are coming up flyers. So they maybe they don't want the coach fired for not playing them 25 minutes a game. Maybe he's got him in that sweet spot. He did put him back on the right wing. And people are like, that's where you belong. Well, maybe it is where he belongs. Okay. So, well, you can not pronounce the fires dead yet. They could pull a miracle off here.

Um, G, can you hop on here for a second? Has there been any news? I, my, my algorithm is just

Bruins fans losing their goddamn minds about James Haggens. Um, apparently they want him in the lineup, like, next game. I don't know what you're hearing. What's going on here? Yeah. So it's

right now is a cutter go to a situation. Like no one wants to piss this kid off, at least from the fans perspective. We don't want to piss this kid off where he says, you know what? Bucket. I'm not coming. I'm not playing for Boston trade me this summer because if if they screw this up, that's that's on the table. That could happen. So what I'm hearing and what Elliott said on 32

“thoughts today was he expects a decision by Monday. So I think I kind of can speak for all Bruins”

fans here when I say as right now, it's, it's kind of a bit calmer. But every minute passed midnight on Monday after Elliott said that we're, we're worrying. We're worrying that he's not signed Tuesday night against the Toronto Maple Leafs. Like you want to go play in the HL, you might

as well just play against the Toronto Maple Leafs on Tuesday night. They friggin stink. That's basically

an HL team. So it's at home in Boston. It made sense. But then he didn't practice with the team today on Monday. So I can't imagine they're just going to toss him in the lineup on Tuesday night. So yeah, I mean, he would fit in perfectly on that third line and where I stand on this is I want to see him in the Bruins lineup because they had no problem trading for Lucas Reichle at the trade deadline and throwing him in on that third line with geeky and lin home on that

left wing spot. If you can do that, if you're so worried about the team chemistry right now, what's the difference of bringing in Lucas Reichle six days ago as opposed to bringing James Higgins

“tomorrow? Is, is this kid ready? Like, have you guys seen that? That's what I'm want. He had a good”

year. I don't think it's like, holy shit. This kid is ready for the, like, I don't. But when I look to pull Hudson and then Higgins, I kind of could see what Cole Hudson's doing right now, which by the way, he's just completely embarrassing people at the Bruins. He's going under the triangle on guys coming out at him at the offensive blue. And I'm like, we weren't even allowed to do that. The balls it takes to do. I think he's done it three times already. Look, I more saw him and granted,

Washington's kind of out of the race, but gee, wouldn't as a fan, you want them to sign him, but if you don't sign him, if you, if you don't sign him now and you sign him this summer, you don't burn the year. I don't care. Because then like, you're going to, later on, you're going to have to burn the turnover next season from what I hear the Dean Pots going back to school, which is the right. Okay, so why not why not try to wake them up? I don't want to line them up on the same year. I

want them different years. So down the road, when we have to sign them to two big contracts, is they're both going to play out, swinging him on both. I don't want those two to line up. So we don't know if he's hit on them both. Yeah. Oh, not at all. We don't know at all. We don't know at all. We got that positivity though, Keith. Okay. All right. So yeah, main point here,

we don't want to cut or go to a situation. I think he could slot in on that third line. I do

think he's ready to play in the NHL. I think one of the things B.C. lack this year was offense outside of a goalie. They didn't really have much offense outside of Higgins in the Torno. So I don't know. You play him on a line with a guy like Morgan D.E. who you know he can score the puck Elias Linn home. You know, I think it would be great to add James Higgins on the side, and add a little speed to that line. I don't know. I think it's no different than throwing Lucas

rifle in there. Do you think that the Bruins don't think it be as much of a cutter gochie situation because he's a local kid? No, he's playing college in Boston, but he grew up a diehard islander's fan. So like you just like that's the last thing that you want to hear right now. You know what I mean? Because when when would he be a UFA? If he went back to college, would it be at the end of the year? No, we'd have to go two years ago. Yeah, he ain't going back

for two more years. But he could do a gochie. It didn't just be like trade me. Okay, so I was just going, I was going to chime in on that. So I heard from someone that I that I trust that the reason that gochie was pissed is because he was essentially told that they were going to sign him and do what they're what he was talking about. Like they're going to sign him. He was going to get the burn a year, whatever. Then something changed where

that wasn't on the table. Yeah, Ellie talked about this on 32 thoughts today. He was like, I don't want and like they changed after because they were like, Ellie was saying that like the flyers kind of realized like, hey, this locker room is not a good locker room to bring a young guy into. It's a pretty

“toxic situation right now. Okay. But that's why they kind of had that change and they went”

back on their promise to gochie where I don't think they wanted to tell gochie, hey, this locker room is toxic. Yeah, yeah. And then, but then for my understanding because he was so good, they then

like we're like, okay, we are going to sign you, but then like you're basically going to start

the minor. So I think from their camp, gochie is it was more of like, what the fuck is going on over there? Where there was turnover and change happening. So maybe there was this miscommunication. So it was interesting to hear that perspective, but then like, like, like with Gives kind of a looting to we're out of place in time now where like these kids do hold a lot of leverage. That's

is what I'm like the old guy yelling at a cloud. But then like, as much as it sucks for Philly, you're like, wow, like, it gives a great example to why in some cases take control of your own future. If you truly believe in yourself and you think you can get this done, do it and stick to

your guns. So the third cutter, baby, the third cutter. Well, I'd like to ask you guys, though, because

like, Ellie, it's a major point of the Bruins hold up here. It's like, they don't want to disrupt a playoff team, a team that's on a playoff run. So I get that side of it too. Yeah, you guys

“put it in playoff runs. Do you want a 19 year old kid being thrown into the line up?”

I think you're getting young life. If you have a great culture and this kid's going to provide life to your line up and he's going to play well and and he can adjust on the fly and it's working. Do it. I don't personally see a problem with trying it. I think a lot of guys in that locker room would probably be happy for this kid and especially the core group being like, I hope helps coming and I hope it's coming soon. And they're not the most offensive team to begin with. So

maybe it adds a little bit of a bit of life and who knows. Now, if there's a guy who's coming out of line up, who's been bossing his ass all year and he's fit in on that line and blah, blah, blah, yeah, that's when you don't disrupt the chemistry, but I have a kind of confidence and stern in that group's. They're like the way that they're going to fucking read the situation and do it. I don't think we're, I don't think we're anywhere near a cutter go chase situation yet, though.

“That's what I was saying, like the panic it seems like this is a Twitter. I don't think that we're there yet.”

But as much as I say, like, I just can't wrap my head around now. How it's like, yeah, put me in the NHL. It was so different for me in the situation of guys that when I was playing it, but I do understand it. So if we're going to go on the fact that now these kids hold all the cards, if he's like, hey, sign me right now. Like, I want to be on the team then, then sign them, put them on the team, give them a couple games, and it doesn't work. He's a healthy scratch.

You go to Providence and then next year he could be in Providence for a little bit. So you're pleasing him by signing them now and giving them games right away. And then then you're kind of like, all right, well, it's not working yet. They're already unfilled at the beginning of the season. He was like, there was there was a lot of disconnect between the Hagen's camp and the Bruins camp. And when they would interview both guys, Sweeney saying, oh, he's going back to BC. Well, the Hagen's camp is saying,

I don't know what I'm doing. You know, I hope I'm making the Bruins roster. So I think that's where Bruins fans are kind of like, whoa, there was already the disconnect this summer. How are they not on the same pages to what the plan is here? The Bruins didn't even put Macavoy in the NHL when he left BU. Yeah, they did. Yeah, he came in. He went to Providence. Did he play in the playoffs this

first year. He was killing guys. Yeah. Or games from maybe right away. They didn't. Okay, I see what you mean.

“Did that count as a year burned? Maybe not because it was playoff. No, so the only way it's not a”

year burned. This is what I did was that when I left school, I went to the HL, but I signed up a PTO or an ATO, whatever it was to play that season and then my contract started the next season. Oh, and I don't know if I don't know if Macavoy did that and they didn't burn the year. I could understand some of these kids like with shitty teams and organizations with how desperate they are getting the burnt year. In a situation with the bees, like I would probably just be like,

hey, if they don't want to do that and like they'll sign on this summer and it won't burn a year and they're going to get. So they would get three years of his rights, correct? You have to play two for where is like if he does the burn a year, he only has to have a good year next year

and they're basically in talks that next summer. Yeah. I tend to lean on the side of the

Bruins in this situation right now and not every situation's going to turn out like cutter goaches. Like if you're and once again, I don't think cutter goaches expectation was from the beginning. I want to be thrown right in the NHL. I think once again from hearing all the conversation, it was more about the like changing of the mind constantly and maybe being a bit disorganized where it's like, well, this seems like a bit of a sh*t show. Let's take our fucking talent's elsewhere.

And obviously he's the he's the he's the carbon copy. You know, um, with the term I'm looking to do. Yeah, he's going to one at the plan out because he's going to be getting a nice fucking fat deal. He's like an up and coming superstar and uh and he's earned that. So your point about that is like the Bruins also have to be worried about if he does come in this year making the step from college to the NHL and say he's dog shit for 10 games or whatever it is, then you're

worried about his next year. Is he going to continue to get better? Yeah, that would be I would then say, hey, listen, we burned a year for you. You didn't perform well in your 10 games in like in training

culture there. I don't think this is something that the key should just be handed over. It's not like

we're talking about like a team that's going for a lottery pick where you can afford to give them those reps. Very full is made a great point. He said he tweeted at me and said given me short leash, given four games and after the four games, if you're like all right, you don't see it. He's not making a difference on this team anytime soon. Send him down to Providence, let him go through a playoff front with the Providence Bruins, which is fine there, but shortly at least

given at least two three NHL games. Maybe the Bruins brass is like, we don't really think he is ready yet because if you look at Gothia's numbers in college compared to Higgins, like he scored

“way more. I think Gothia had 38 goals the last. He was on a way better team, though, right?”

True. They had a bit than they had Leonard. You're right. Yeah, that's true. Gothia last year though had the opportunity where he started out slow and anti-hime. But once again, this is a team that they didn't have expectations of making playoffs and being your team. So he was able to just get the reps, get the reps, get the reps. And then last year, I want to say it was the second half of the year where he popped off and that's why he ended up with over 20 goals. Micro scopes a

little bigger and Boston too. Yeah. Well, it's something to watch out for and maybe it's a good conversation to get this fuck man. We're going to be seeing more and more and more of this. I think you're, I think you saw it with the flames where they've just signed a bunch of the top college prospects who were the older guys. And I feel like they get very favorable contracts in those situations because they have all the say and you're going to a team that's going to be a fucking

lottery team. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're, if you're not drafted, then you really have leverage. Because if

you're, you know, I mean, it's, it's always the guys who are not drafted that sign that go right

“from NCAA to the NHL, assuming that's part of the part of the contract. But I think with that,”

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UFC heavyweight champ and one of the greatest WWE wrestlers of all time. And a hockey dad.

Brock Lesnar. What's going on Brock? 8th bell is thanks for having me. Oh, you kid me. It's unbelievable for us. Biz said hey listen, I ran into what was that? Years ago an Edmonton Biz? I think it was last year or maybe the year before you were doing a hockey tournament there and then and then recently

“to clip your kid the highlight reel of your kid came out and that's why I reached out and”

honestly mad, I think the greatest joy your life right now was just being a dad and especially a hockey dad. Yeah, like I moved the Canada about 15 years ago just because I enjoyed the hunting and the fishing life up here, you know, and to get away into the woods and move up here and and then I put my kids in a little country school in Saskatchewan and then they came home and they said dad we want a mini stick and I'm like what the fuck's the mini stick? And then that's all

it's all over from their boys and then it's just youth hockey and Canada, it's either hockey or curling, right? So we're just loving it and I'm enjoying the process of it and yeah, what like hockey's taken us, you know, through my kids from Saskatchewan to Alberta, we're living

“in Calgary now and and the boys are are just pulling the plow and trying to, you know,”

just do the best we can in the sport of hockey and we're enjoying it. Yeah. So what's it been like for you not really knowing anything about the game? You didn't know many sticks. You certainly don't know breakouts. He's just probably I'm guessing listening to the coaches

and then you're helping them with the training and basically finding the passion for it.

They the coach is probably just sick him on all the crazy hockey parents. Yeah, yeah, you got to say yeah you want to be a crazy hockey player? Deal with this fucking guy. There's probably sometimes I'm a crazy hockey dad too. I don't know. It's a crazy world. The hockey world's crazy. It's foreign to me and I grew up wrestling amateur wrestling and there's zero politics in that sport. I mean zero and it's the pure sport that that exists because it's mono and mono either the

kid wins or he loses, right? There's nobody else. There's no five four other guys on the ice or on the map. So it's really foreign to me and to try to navigate through this system and I knew that I had to get my kids out of house league because they both of them were, you know, they were doing well. They're just, you know, and so I wanted to get them into a bigger environment with some more opportunities, you know. You're the dad that has the ODR. I know you have a big big lot of

play big lot at your house and stuff like that. You have the ODR outdoor rank. You get the get the kids out there. I tried to do that but like I was we had a my kids started learning to escape on a on a dugout on a pond on the farm. That's where we we we put we bought some cheap skates and put the boys on the pond and they just took off. You know, so that's where they got started

was on a pond. Yeah, but I never did know we have to do there's there's a rink and every little

town in Kansas. So you don't have to have an outdoor rink. You can just drive five minutes and you're at the rink anywhere up here. So that's that's really cool, you know. Some of these old barns, I mean, they've been around for 80 years man up here and you know, the the the the the rural hockey programs are are starving because, you know, the farm kids are that aren't staying home anymore and so I mean, there's some of these old rinks here that the nostalgic factor and it is

pretty cool, right? So it's it's been it's been a trip. What do you mean the farm kids aren't sticking around is because they're just going to bigger cities to develop or yeah, yeah, like, you know,

“so I mean, if you if you want to. On Fort hockey's turned into a rich man's game man,”

guys, you know, I feel bad for some of these kids. There's a lot of talent that gets left behind in this sport because of how expensive it is, you know, the weekends and the equipment and and so these young rural kids, you know, that that don't get the opportunities, like it really, I think it's a it's a huge failure in the system, but who am I to say, but, you know, we I realize that and I was fortunate enough that we could get the kids out of the country and move

to the city and get them in with some what under some real programs, you know what I mean,

Yeah, I mean, we interviewed Gavin McKenna, he lived in White Horse and I think he said he moved at 14 years old to Vancouver, so he could travel. I think he was 12, 12 years old, like that's crazy, like what what what's the next step for your boys to, I mean, now you're in Calgary, I guess, so it's a little bit easier. Yeah, I mean, my young boy, you know, he, he, he went fifth round, like 120 for for the dub, whether he makes it there, I don't know, I like it's the same

thing, guys, there's no hidden formula to, I bet you guys all know, like you got to put the work in, you just have to and you got to be around the right people with the right mindset and, you know,

and for me, I just want my kids to know that if you're not always going to get a payday for your

work, you know, like all this time and effort and the payday is the win, right? Like that's the,

“that's, that's what we all thrive for, right? Is, is the success of it and sometimes it doesn't come”

and it can be discouraged and, you know, but I just try to, to push my kids and sport is sport to me, like I don't care, I come from a fight background and how to transition all that on the ice and and to to set a tempo and set a mind frame of of and it almost having an alter ego, you know, you can be a gentleman off the ice and, I mean, this, you guys all know, like some of these guys when they put, step foot on the ice, they're not the same person, you know, and that's,

yeah, try to communicate that to these young kids and with the social media aspect of the world now

and, and these kids seeing, you know, we talk about highlight reels, Mike, there's nothing special about my boys, they're special kids, but they just, you know, anybody can blow up on the internet and it doesn't mean that they're, you know, I mean, so it's, it's a humbling sport too, right?

“That's why I always compare the contract boys to WWE guys, because they step on the ice and they put”

that mask on, you know, they'll say whatever to you across the ice in order to win and they'll do whatever it takes to win, but then yet off the ice, they represent the game the way that it needs to be represented. Now, so you're originally from Webster, South Dakota? Yeah, yeah, I grew up on a dairy farm in South

Dakota and all I could afford at the time was one pair of wrestling shoes and that's all you need,

you know, and I didn't grow up hockey for me and in the 80s didn't exist in South Dakota, you know, I didn't even know, I didn't even know what existed. Now, I didn't even know pro wrestling existed because we didn't, we had a TV, but the damn thing didn't work, so and we were busy working all the time anyway, I'm milked more cows, I found with more others by the time I was 18 and you guys ever even thought about it. That's the share. Oh, god, so what age was your, where your parents

or your father specifically like, hey, like, you know, put the work gloves on, we're going, we're doing shit today. Um, you grew up on a farm like that, like you want to be next to your dad all the time and so I was just, I was in the thick of it as a young kid, you know, okay, um, we didn't have a, I grew up on a dairy farm and we didn't have a gutter cleaners. The gutter cleaner was you're looking at him, I cleaned the gutters, playing the stalls, you know, I fed the cows

with five gallon buckets and so part of that too for me was, when I moved to Canada, the old saying you can take the boy out of the country, but you can't ever take the country out of the boy, I had a passion for farming and it's, and I still do and when I moved this Saskatchewan and I bought a farm and I wanted to, I didn't want to be a weekend warrior, like my kids were young and I wanted them to grow up on a working farm and live it, breathe it, and live it every day. And so we did do that.

My kids, my kids were working on the farm at a very young age and I implemented that work ethic into them and that's, that's important to me. For me, none of my championships or none of my accolades, they all mean nothing boys. It means nothing to me. My kids are my legacy and I want to just, I want to have, I mean, in today's dark past world that we're living in, if you can come out and have good kids, you know, and that's, that I take a lot of pride in that. I want my, when, when parents

come to me and say, man, your, your boys are really respectful, man, that just, that makes me, that pumps my tires, you know, it's so true, like it's awesome. If you hear, like I have three boys, they're younger than, than your kids, it's like, hey, your kids so well-mannered, so polite,

“I'm like, holy shit, I now remember why my dad told me, Ryan, that's the best thing I could”

ever hear. Like, it's very well said by you. Yeah, I was wondering for you, like, when did you

group on the dairy farm, but at some point it had to hit you or your dad like, wow, like, I'm pretty

“good at this. I wasn't great at wrestling. I was a late-bloom guy. Like, guys, I graduated high school,”

I was six foot tall, two hundred and five pounds, and I, and I didn't even have one here at my armpit. And I got, but by the time I was a sophomore in college, is when I, I grew another three inches and put on, I mean, 40 pounds and, and I just, I was a late-bloom, I was still growing when I was 20 years old. So, I didn't, I just, I, I just, I outlasted everybody. Like, I had this vision and, and, and this, um, this deep, dried inside of me where I thought, I, I, I want to,

I want to do something with this. And I didn't have much success at wrestling until I hit college.

You know, I was never, I never had, I never got recruited out of high school, um,

to wrestle anywhere. I never got a scholarship. I had the highest high place in high school with third place. And, uh, I just, I went to a junior college and, and I just kept pulling the plow. And I just kept, I just saw the carrot dangling out there. And I just kept after it, you know. When you were going through that was times of high school and not a ton of success in junior college, were there moments when you're like, fuck, I don't know, man. Like, it was it never,

ever given up on the belief. Like, there were moments of doubt over the, was it just that steadfast, like, dream and goal that you had? I quit wrestling probably a hundred times in my head.

“Wow. And so, and that's what I tell my kids, too. We got to keep it light and keep it fun, too.”

But yet, dude, this is a vicious, like, when, when the kids turn 15 in this sport, like, it's a vicious cycle of, like, you got a, that's what I mean. There's a lot of talent that gets left behind in the dark. The, the, the dust with the, you know, the kids getting drafted at 15 and all this other stuff. And then the kids seeing highlight reels of this guy or it's a big challenge. Like, I'm just trying to keep my kids motivated and, and keep it, that hard work, you know, will pay off.

And I don't know what the end game is for them. It might not be, they might not ever play, play hockey. But I want, I want my kids to be committed at something and keep a mock-up, and hockey sure does. I mean, we got every weekend where we're playing, you know, every weekend. It's a regular schedule on these

kids. And I tell my kids, too, like, I would have never lasted probably when I was 15 or 16 under the schedule

at these guys were doing. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. I got one kid in the JPHL and one boy in the CSSHL and we're gone every weekend, you know, and it's a lot. So, would you, would you say your, your massive, big break was when you were recruited by Minnesota? Because that's where you ended up going off to win your national championship, correct? Yeah. So, I went to a junior college in, in Bismarck, North Dakota, right on a high school, because it was basically my only option.

And I placed fifth my freshman year in the championships. And then that was the point, guys, when I was 19, and I got beat by a kid that I, that I was embarrassed that I got beat by him. And I still, I ran into this kid, I don't many years ago, after we had wrestled and he beat me. And I met him after I was in the WWE. I saw him on the, on the less coast. And I just gave him a hug. And he's like, what is that for? And I was like, because you beat my ass,

and it kept me, that kept the fire burned in for me. And then the next year, as a sophomore, I just said, had it in my mind that nobody's going to beat me. And that summer, I trained

“like a madman. And I, I want a junior college championship. And that's how I got discovered”

to, as a go for it. The gofers flew me out the next day. And I was like, this is my home. When you say train like a madman, could you bring us through your, your schedule that you went through in order to get yourself in that position? So to the young kids that are listening to this, I was 19. And that's when my switch went off. And I said, you know what, I can do this. And I'll tell you what I did. I moved back to my hometown. And I knew that I had to just go on

lock down. And I found a job that I could, that would put some money in my pocket and fill my cooler for, for the, for the day. Like, when I say cooler, my protein and my car, I'm all my food. So I worked, I worked for a powerline company. They brought me on. And I went around, uh, fiction,

power poles. And I, the first day I showed up for work. And that this old time was driving the truck.

And he's like, dude, I go, where are we going for lunch? He's like, well, you didn't bring a cooler. And I was like, no, and he, he gave me a yogurt for the day. And I'm like, I'm not going to survive

80s hardware and bought a big 48 gallon cooler. And I, and I just filled my, I stopped at the grocery store every morning. And I filled that thing up. Because I, I knew, I was, I was, I had to put some weight on. And if I was going to compete as a heavyweight, I was only 200, maybe 25 or 30 pounds at the time. And then I just, I went to work all day, uh, uh, there. And then, and then the evenings, I, I hit the gym. And I did all of my, all of my workouts at night. That's hard, too.

And I focused on that. And I, and I, and I, and I, even my girlfriend, I, I pushed put everything to the side. Okay. I put everything to the side. I didn't, I didn't go to the parties. I didn't, I didn't,

I didn't hang out with the, with the, with the guys all summer. They never saw me the only time you

saw me was in the gym or running. And, and, and that's it. And I just put my head down for three months

“there. And I came back as a sophomore. You have to put all the distractions aside, boys, and to the”

young kids, like, they don't understand. Like, if you're going to go all in, you have to go all in. And I, you take my head off to the one percent as of the world, guys. They're different people. You have to just be different. You got to do the things that nobody else wants to do. I was going to say just the, the wrestling world, like the dedication that you guys have, the hard work that discipline is insane, right? But it also, like, growing up on a farm is probably

the same way, right? You, you have to wake up in the morning. Do your work. Get your shit down

before you go out and play. Like, being a wrestler must have came kind of easy to you with that type of schedule because you, you, you would grown up your whole life with that. Yeah. And you know what, I want to shout out to my mom and dad to, like, my mom and dad, my dad, he needed help on the farm.

“And he, let me, go to practice. He, let me do, let me do that stuff. And I'll never forget,”

I came home one day and I, and we had wrestle off, which means that there's four guys to fill the spot, but we can only have one. So we have a tournament. And we wrestle off for the position. And I didn't win. And I came home and I was pissed off. And, and I was banging the pitch

fork around and throwing buckets and, and my dad goes, what's the matter with you? And I was like,

I, I didn't win my wrestle off. And, and I was mad. And I was, I just beat the hell out of this out of this post in the barn with the pitch for. He can broke it in half. He's like, well, why don't you just quit them, just quit wrestling? And, and you can, you know, farm with me. And I, and I, and I looked at him and I was like, hell, no, I quit and, you know, and even my mom, my mom had so much expectations on me, my mom bless her heart and I thank her to this day,

even, like, if I didn't win a little kid's wrestling tournament, she left me there to find my own ride. She was pissed and I didn't want to hide people for three hours and, and in the back seat of that car, did she just love me? And I was like, I can't believe my mom, actually, she left me here.

“I'll teach you to win. That's sad. That's how that's hard love right there. Yeah. So,”

when you go over to Minnesota, right? Obviously, it's a whole different ball game as far as talent you're wrestling, wrestling against what helped you, like, what helped you put you over the edge? Like, was there a coach that you were introduced to, like, maybe teammates, like, and what was that year like to eventually lead you to you won the national title, right? Is it as a heavyweight? Yeah. So, I, I'm a believer in iron sharp and Zion boys. Okay. When you get around another elite

men or people or athletes or anything, like, there's only one way for it to go. And when I got to campus at the U, like, I was around, like, studs. And these guys carry themselves differently. There was an ambiance to our team. And there was a belief that there ain't no, but we're better than everyone. We're, we're better than everybody out there. And you have to live it and breathe it. And, and I just, I embraced it. And there was coaches there. Jay Robinson, Marty Morgan,

a lot of guys that that I still, you know, I keep in touch with to this day that we're made huge impacts on my life. And I can go back. I still talk to my high school wrestling coach, my little kids wrestling coach. These guys that you can make a difference in some kid's life by being a coach. That's more important to me than anything when I know that I look back. You know, having, having people that believe in you and take you under their wing and say,

hey, listen, you know, I had outside, uh, mentorship, you know, like that. And so when you got to the you, um, you're surrounded by greatness, you're surrounded by all Americans, you're surrounded by

and you better bring your A game every single day because these guys will hand you your ass in

one second, you know, does it work in wrestling and and I apologize. I don't really know much about in in the college level, but I know you can end up wrestling for your country in the Olympics. So I'm guessing it depends on like, you know, the Olympics every four years and when you're graduating or how does that happen? Was that ever a thought in your mind or dream? And or is that not that common with college wrestlers? I just don't know the system. Yeah. So when I was in kindergarten,

my coach wheeled in a team, a television with a VHS recorder and he pops in a tape

“from the Olympics Olympic wrestling. And that's how he moved into the town and recruited us kids”

from kindergarten. Wow. And so the Olympics was always in my mind, but by the time that I struggled

so hard with financially and the hardships of of the sport, by the time I was a senior and I had one national title, I was discovered. I had a couple different options, but I was tired. Guys, I had no money. I was a financial aid guy. I had to give my, I gave my scholarship up because back then we were only allowed 10 full rides on a team. Well, we need 40, we need 40 guys on the roster. Wow. I didn't know that. Only 10 full rides on the team. So you might get a quarter scholarship.

You might get a half. They recruited me and enticed me to come there on a full ride. But then after six months, I gave my scholarship up so that we could recruit other kids and keep the program strong.

“Wow. I know you were recruited from, what was it, OVW? You signed like the biggest deal in OVW”

history, kind of like the development league of the WWE. Like, was that one of those decisions where for you? I need to make some money. I need to get my career going. 1,000%. So when I won my NCAA title, the WWE approached me because I lived in Minneapolis. I had a big media following there. I mean, back when I was in college, like I was the big man on campus. It was me and Kevin Garnett ran Minneapolis. Like, I was, they turned me into this

unbeatable monster. I was doing all the radio stuff back then and going down and getting free stakes whenever I wanted. Everywhere I went, there was a pat on the back. So it was cool. But yeah. And then once I once I was done with my eligibility, then I was just tired of being broke. They were the only guy. The WWE was the only offer real offer on the table for me. My only option to go and make some money. Had you ever followed the WWE before that? Because like, I just

I never watched, I didn't know personally existed until I got the college. Wow. Wow.

So it felt like that was the dream. It was competing wrestling in college. It wasn't WWE. Not at all. And then I got down to OVW and I was like, it just clicked with me. I was like, well, this isn't really hard. There's a good guy in a bad guy. And I just picked it up really fast. And the company company saw my improvements. And next thing I know, I'm the youngest WWE champion in history at, you know, I was 24. Wow. And then, and then you were talking

about doing all these radio hits when you were in college. Because like, you got built up. Is this like a local legend? So that probably helped with your mic skills. Because that's another part of the WWE where it's like, you don't have to wrestle. But all of a sudden, you're talking in front of 20,000 people live. Yeah. But then they put me with a guy. Yeah, they gave me a manager. They gave me a manager and it was Paul Hayman who's blessed as hard as been, you know, a good

friend of mine for many years. And they put the, they put the mic on him and turn me into this demolition man, you know. And it was fun. But I literally, I wasn't prepared for it at the time. I had no idea what I was getting into. I didn't know that we were on the road 300 nights a year. I had no idea, you know, that I could get hurt at this stuff. And you know what I mean? It was like, so, before I knew it, I was on the pain train with, you know, with vaikin and vodka. And

I was like, I'm looking around at the legends in the locker room at the time. And I'm looking across and I go, man, I don't know if I can hang with these guys like this. You know what I mean?

“And I was feeling like I still had some athletic endeavors inside. So that's what I stepped away”

from it. And then I tried my hand in the NFL, you know, had a cup of coffee there. Maybe just a half

champion at 24 years old. And then you're like, ah, I'm going to step away. And then you went to

Minnesota Vikings training camp. And you'd never played football in your entire life. And you were

the last cut on the team. I played high school ball. But I, that was it. I played high school ball. I wasn't, I mean, I wasn't like I said, I wasn't that great of a, I was a late blue and kid, man. I didn't,

“you know, so yeah, it is crazy. It was, I, I, I think more, you know, they gave me the opportunity”

because that was a little, I was a hometown hero there already. And they, they did me a huge solid by least giving me the opportunity. And then they kind of turned into reality as I got into camp. And I was doing all right. And then they wanted to send me to Europe. And I just, I had already been on the road for four years and knew that that wasn't going to get, you know, something. And then, and then I went to wrestle in Japan to make some money. And that's when I discovered

the, you know, the fight process. And then before I knew it, I was training for fighting. And then, you know, I'm getting a UFC contract. And I'm fighting in the UFC, you know, you've lived like a thousand lives. It's crazy. Dude, I feel like I'm in a, I've lived the lives of a of two

“men or three men. You know, it's crazy. Yeah, I look back. And I think I just had this ambiance or this”

mindset in my head. Like, I can do that. I can, you know, why can't you? And I think everybody should have that mindset. I don't, I think a lot of people, they get deterred away from things in a

quick hurry. And I don't know, I just, I was always very confident person. It's cool though. I would

imagine when you become the champ of the WWE, the money's great. So for you to say, hey, no, I don't really care about that and take a step back. Like, that was probably not very easy. John Cena was happy. Guy, John Cena was very happy because a year before I left, I had just reached, I just signed a new contract. It was a 10 year contract, 20 million guarantee. Oh, fuck. And I'm, you know, 22 years old and I guess for me, the company was pretty chapped at me at the time because, you know, they invested

a lot into me. And I, I understand that now, you know, but I, it wasn't, if I would have stayed there, I wouldn't be who I am today either. You know what I mean? So I had, I was, I'm glad that I had enough wits about me to leave, you know, but it, it, everything turned out. When you get to the WWE, what is the camaraderie like, is it like, hey, we're all in this together. It's a guy's group. It's everyone's pretty tighters. It kind of like, hey, this new, this young box coming in,

fuck him a little bit. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I was a shooter, an amateur guy. I had a lot of credentials to my name. Of course, I got tested along the way by the, by the old timers and,

“and the guy, you know, you, you have to pay your dues. I, back then, you paid your dues and you had to”

earn your, get your respect. It's different now, you know, obviously, you know, things that got a lot softer and, you know, there is no more kangaroo courts and, and, you know, so it's a different now, but I mean, I, I go there on the old guy now, you know, shit, I had to, I went back to work to, so I could feed my kids. You guys should see my grocery bill. Oh, I can imagine. You need to dare farm again for the milk your paying for every week. So yeah, we're, no, I, I, I, I, I, I left the company

years ago and, and I'm, I'm grateful that I'm back for a short time here. So, and I'm, I'm, I'm really grateful for all the opportunities that I've had in my life. I'm the big wrestling fan here out of these guys, but, you know, the, the big matches I remember, obviously, you and taker, you and the big show when you guys broke the ring. Yeah, but just take it, take us through that whole day of when you found out you were going to beat taker who was going to, who was undefeated at that

WrestleMania, never lost. And then you come in, you're the youngest guy ever, right, to win the

championship. Well, you, I mean, obviously grown up not knowing anything about wrestling was it kind of like, okay, it's my turn, but other guys might have been like, what the fuck's going on here? For me, guys, it, it, it was, it's really simple. Like, this is a business, like, it's a business, and I think a lot of the, a lot of guys, a lot of guys live and breathe the, the lifestyle of it, you know what I mean? And for taker, like, obviously wasn't my call to, to, to, to make, you know,

I mean, at, at the time, the Vince McMahon, you know, if there was a person that could be take the streak away with a, with a legitimate, the background and people could believe it,

you know what I mean? And, and so my hats off to, to Undertaker, Marker, he's a great guy, and, this is, at the end, guys, it's, it's just, it's a business, and, and it's a, um, you have, it's a given take, and it was time for, for taker to, to give, and it was a time for Brock Lesnar to take it, who were like the, the, the, the vets that you, or actually the story of, of when you beat Undertaker,

“my understanding is he got a concussion during that match, and he doesn't even remember the ending of it,”

but you actually, after the match went to the hospital with them to get checked out and stuff, is that a true story? Yeah, like, you know, I don't, I don't know what happened during the match, but out, you know, he, he was, he was a mentor of mine, like, I worked with taker for many years, and, and so, now, we're out in this match, and, and, and taker got hit left field day of, you know, he's coming to his 20th, WrestleMania thinking that, uh, we're, he's going to win,

and then two hours before we go on, the, you know, the, the rug gets pulled on him, and, and so, a lot of different emotions, you know, there, and, um, I'm sure, and then I was excited,

but I always felt bad too, like, I, I'm the guy, and I get to be the guy, and, and,

so we're out in this match, and next thing, you know, takers not being taker, and I'm like, so I had to, you know, it's a dance out there, and you just gotta, you got to do your best to get through it, and, and, and we did, and then, um, yeah, I did respect because taker, I spent a lot of time and it was taker, you know, and, and, um, I wanted to make sure that that he was all right, and that's part of the deal, you know, I, I went to the, I did go to the, the hospital and make

sure he was okay and, and, uh, and, and that's just part of the, part of the respect thing, you know, when you got involved in your mention and, you know, the vaquette in in the vodka, is there a part of you that's like, fuck man, like, I kind of see a slippery slope here. I see a

lot of guys that were doing this a long time, and this is maybe the money's incredible, but this

is an aspect that that could get dangerous over a certain amount of years. Oh, for sure, I, you know, I can remember when the light bulb, or when it hit me, and I was in the locker room, I'm looking around and, and I'm seeing some of these, these old boys that this is the life that they've lived for 30, 40 years, and I'm like, man, I got something, I got something else to give here, you know, and I, and I was like, I want to go and see what else is out there for me, and it was a big,

it was a big move, you know, I left the company, you know, and I, I learned a lot of lessons there, you know, like the paychecks stop coming in, but the bills still keep coming, right? Yeah. And I went through, it was living hell in 2004 to 2006, some of the worst years of my life,

“but it's those character building years that that you learned from, you know what I mean?”

And there's light at the end of the tunnel, but sometimes it's not there, but you got to keep fighting for it, right? You mentioned that you, I think it was in Japan where you went there in a wrestle where you maybe discovered the MMA stuff, is that was out true? You said that? Yeah, so I went to wrestle, a new Japan pro wrestling was was at the time, and I went over there, and you guys remember K1, yeah, we're fighting really, you know, the kickboxing in K1 in the 90s was real big, and so they discovered

me when I was in in Japan, and they presented a fight to me, and that was actually my first fight,

ever was with that company, was called K1 Dynamite, and I fought in LL at the LA Coliseum, that was my first fight gig. You mentioned that tough period of time there, was that just that tail, I'd do it where you just felt like you needed something new and different and a new excitement? Well, yeah, I knew that, like if I was going to stay on the pain train, you know, I just wanted something else, you know what I mean? I wanted to see what else was out there, and I didn't,

I had no idea that I was going to blow up and become the UFC champion, you know, that was a goal, but I mean, for me to have my third fight against Randy Couture of all the guys, it's like, you know, I could have sheld up and, you know, been scared about it, but I, that's how confident I was.

“So that's what I mean, you got to have this, you got to have an alter ego, you know what I mean?”

You got to have something inside that makes you believe in order to achieve, you know? You'd be taker in then you'd be Randy Couture, two legends of both their professions, but for you,

and then go to the show and fight like that must have been ideal for you.

It was perfect for me, it was, it was perfect, and, and then I discovered real early that, if I, if I play a heel, I don't have to, if I play a heel in the UFC, I don't have to do all the the media in the UFC, just see yourself, and I could just, I could just tell people, you know, like, whatever you know. So, you know, people, people see the, the entertainment, Brock Lesnar, and they think that, you know, that's who I am, but it's not who I am,

and I don't let people into my circle enough to, to know it's been a mistake for a long time, but I'm still, I can be an asshole when I want to be. Yeah. Well, I think everyone listening can tell, like a really good-hearted guy, that wants to be, and you mentioned the confidence and the world-class wrestling ability,

“but once you get into UFC, what did you have to add? I mean, all of a sudden, it's the striking,”

and yeah, the wrestling can help on the ground, but you must have had to add a lot to your bag in terms of self-defense and fighting tactics. Here's a, and it's kind of a funny story, because I grew up by a two older brothers, and the Lesnar name in South Dakota is notorious for bar fight, street fights. Okay. Like, so my, I had, I had older brothers that were getting bailed on a jail on Sunday night to go, you know, like, it was a forreal deal. So I, I had these foot, these, I had

these big shoes to fill when I was a little kid. My brothers were older than me, five or six years older, and, and, and so I, what's this little Lesnar kid going to do? You know, you either get picked on or the ship beat audio because your brothers did something on the weekend, so you got to get

tough and a hurry. So, but one thing that I think I'm very coachable, I've always been able to get out

of my own way and absorb things, and I knew when I got into the UFC, I needed, I needed a coach. I went to, to these other camps, and I saw right away that some of these guys, the way they train, it, it wasn't my philosophy, you know what I mean? So, I took a lot of the, I knew right away that I had to, I had to, I had to get a, a management team together. So I went and sniped my assistant wrestling coach from the University of Minnesota, Marty Morgan. I brought him, I took him from the,

“I took him away from the college, offered him a, a coaching position, and it was the best thing”

I, I, I, I ever, I did. So I know what I'm not good at, and I hire people to help me get good at it. And so I just brought, I, I built my own camps. My training camps would cost me a lot of money. I would bring a lot of people in. So I didn't have to go to these other gyms. I could be trained on my own timeframe, all that stuff. So each camp was 16 weeks and, and, and I invested into that. So I had nothing to do with my time other than to learn the, the game of mixed martial arts.

So I brought in the best you get to guy could I brought in some of the best kickboxers and training partners, and you are either, like I said, iron sharpens iron, and there's only one way to go, and you, you can only get better. And I wish, you know, hindsight was a, in plus I had a name already. So I had to, I, I had to hotshot this thing and capitalize on my name and, and it just kind of worked out. So how about the situation? You said when you signed that big contract and then you

backed away from it, like during that period of time where you just started MMA, like you said you spent all this money and in time and energy kind of recruitment these guys, like, did you still have, like, enough money to do so? Like, where were you going? So when I, when I, I got cut from the Vikings and I, I was, the, the, the IRS showed up at my doorstep. Wow. It was in a custody battle for, for the kid, for my daughter. And I was getting sued by Vince McMahon for a non-compete.

It was a tough time in my life from 4 to 06. And so there was people and I won't mention that

“it helped me through those times and I was able to get on my feet again. And I think I'm a lot”

and they know who they are, but they, they helped me out and got me stable and they believed in me.

You see, there is nothing more powerful you guys than than than than people and relationships

and other human beings that believe in you. You need that circle, right? And it's no different than

that you can either get elevated or eliminated. You know what I mean? And so I had a lot of that.

“I had a lot of that. So relationships for me are, are the most important thing. And that's what”

I tell my kids, you need relationships with your coaches. After that from maybe learning from that

experience, I, I think it were you the first ever UFC guy to get like paper view cuts and like,

how were did you maybe start negotiating and figure out your deals after you'd kind of been through all that tumultuous time. So you have seen Dana White wanted nothing to do with me. Okay. I thought he wanted you. I didn't know. No. No. He didn't, he wouldn't return my phone call. Whoopsie. Yeah. So what happened was I thought I fought at the LA Colosseum for K1 Dynamite. And then I wanted, I wanted to get into the big leagues and there's only one big league at the

time I was UFC. So my, my team reached out and wanted to, you know, wanted to do something with the UFC.

“So guys, this is how bad. This is, this is the stuff that you have to do. So I said screw it. I bought”

four nose bleed tickets to the MGM. Randy Kutua was headlining against Gabriel Gonzaga for the heavyweight championship. I sat there in the stands through the entire event. And after the, as soon as the Randy won that fight, I scaled the security and ran to the octagon and grabbed Dana, I introduced myself. I said, I'm Brock Lesnar. And, and he, and we went to the back and he said, listen, I, I'll give you a shot. So he gave me a one fight deal. I said, take a gamble on me.

And, and so he gave me a one shot deal. And I lost that fight against Frank Meer. And I went back to the locker room and I was like, I screwed it up and Dana comes in. He's like, because they know, they don't, they know the paper view wise, like instantly, right? So the numbers must have been really, really good. And for that point, Dana's like, no, you're not done. And then the next day,

“we negotiated a real contract. Wow. That's why I thought he wanted you knowing like the numbers”

you'd bring in. Yeah. And I wonder if you think it was maybe like, ah, he's WWE, like, this is more legit. That's not what we do. Like, did you ever find out why at the beginning he didn't have interest? Because I had no credibility. I don't blame him. I didn't, you know, I, I was an amateur wrestler and a fake, a fake entertainer, you know. And so he, he didn't care. You know, I fought a tomato

can my first fight. You know, I beat him in 90 seconds and, and like, it's, whatever. You know,

I didn't, I didn't prove myself yet. So he, he threw me through the wolves. He's not not giving me any easy fights. You know, my first fight is against Frank. He's a, I don't know how many times defending champion at the time. You know, a lethal dude, he almost broke my leg in half, right? So he's, the real deal. So I just, yeah, it was just one of those things where I had to prove myself to him before he, you know, yeah. I remember seeing that clip of you in the locker room just like,

I need to just give me another chance and Dana was so fucking excited. Because you, you put on a good show. You lost the fight, but you, you did well in the fight. So he must have been like, I got this guy. He knows how to fucking put asses in seats and he's a legitimate fighter and then

from there on, just kept going. I don't know, get to get back to your first question. I don't

know who was getting percentages or not, but, you know, I did, I did quite well. That's for you. You deserve it, man. Take me through the feeling of, of beating Randy Qatar coming. The UFC heavyweight champ compared to the feeling of winning the national title is it, no, granted, you're making money for one of those compared to at NCAA, but was it similar just the satisfaction, the belief in yourself coming true? People ask me that and I think my most, my

most prestigious award for me is, is my national championship in college because to be, to be that young kid and to be raw and to carry that dream and that and to to finally win at a discipline that you've been trying to master for salt for, for, you know, 17 years. That was, that's probably my, my biggest evacuated that I, that I, you know, hang my hand on, but beating Randy, I mean, I didn't, I mean, I must have believed that I could beat him, you know, but I wasn't either,

here's in the Randy's defense too. Randy wasn't at the top of his game either, you know what I mean?

eye to eye and in the past scale and all these other things. So I think Dana was, Dana was really

hoping that that, that I was going to beat him and he was very ecstatic about it at the time. So a Randy's a good guy, I brought Randy into my training camps after that and he helped me out a lot, you know, and so yeah, there's, there's a mutual respect, I don't, you know, the guys that you get in that cage, like there is no other feeling guys, like words can't describe it, like when you walk into that arc the gun and those, that door shuts and it's, you versus him, that takes some brass balls,

guys, it does. I look back now, I can't believe I did it. Yeah. I want nothing to be with it.

“Who was the person that you thought that you were the most scared of? Was it Randy?”

I wasn't never really scared of anybody, but I felt threatened, you know what I mean? There's

there's certain threats. You can't go in there thinking, you know, that, that, with a scared mindset, you don't go in the fight in the cage with a fighting anger, either. It's a competition, it's, you know, and if you keep that mentality with it and you fight with your emotions, you're probably going to lose because you're, you're going to do things that you, you shouldn't be doing. But some of the fights, I mean, I came to Alaska's, you know, he, he

handed me my ass in, in Anaheim, but I, I think for me, like going through diverticulitis, really took a lot of fight out of me. That really, I almost died with that disease and afterwards, it changed my life a little bit and changed my mentality towards this sport, you know, and like, hey, you can, you can get hurt at this pretty easily. And, and so it was one of those deals where early in my career, it was all or nothing, you know what I mean? And then there was some fight

left for my contract where I was like, you know what, I'm not going to leave this money on the table, so I'm going to go fight. You see in the Anaheim shell after a, a, a spirited fight, I mean, oftentimes guys, they're patting each other on the head and you have seen there's so much shit talk prior to a fight, but I can't imagine the respect you have towards one another at the end of one of those. That's the beauty of the sport, too, like, for these guys, I, I, I, I like that because

there's so much emotion and so much work that goes into those training camps to try to beat another, another human being in front of millions of people, like the, the amount of pressure that there is and it goes in, I mean, even even from the boys, you know, to, to leave the Anaheim shell

“and go play in the Olympics, like, I mean, the level of greatness that you have to carry yourself with,”

it's almost like you're just on this cloud, you know what I mean? And I think other guys can say the same like greatness, it, you didn't think about what you were doing, you just did it, you know what I mean? Those drills, the repetitions of all the times and then all of a sudden, man, there it is and I'm

going to sink this one or whatever, you know, the punches right, my fights were always slow motion,

like it felt like I was slow motion out there because it was just like I was, what's the movie with the John or the Matrix? And it almost felt like that when things are clicking, everything slowed down and it's like time just evaporates, you know. I think one of the most legendary things about you is that tattoo man, it's fuck, first time I saw it, I was like, which one? The dead one? No, no, which one? The fucking giant sword in your chest. What was the idea behind it? It's intimidating.

I got that tattoo, I was shit face drunk in Scottsdale, Arizona. Okay, I did it. I was in Scottsdale, training for the NFL, had just gotten in a motorcycle accident and I was just, I mean, I was just kicked down hard, like I was going through all that stuff and there was a tattoo shop across the street from the Baker bar and that's not a good place to have a tattoo shop. All right, I got this tattoo, I didn't even know I got the damn thing, I wake up the neck

day and I'm like, what in the, is this thing? Well, at least it's subtle, at least it's not on your face. But the meaning behind it was, I felt like my back was against the wall and somebody had a sword,

“a knife stuck to my throat, like, what are you going to do now? You know what I mean?”

So that's, I walked over there and I said, yeah, let's put a big ass, ugly sword on my chest. I think it's iconic now. I think it's iconic too. I mean, I thought there might be some planning behind it. I know you were crippled at a bar, decided to get it randomly, but it's excellent. No planning whatsoever. It was a half a gallon of vodka and maybe a few

No, everything on my back was torn out pretty much, but not the one or my, not the sword.

“So I got, I got my, my, my boys into hockey. They're, they're young, but they started playing. Did you”

push your boys or get them into wrestling at all? Or was it kind of, yeah, this, this was my thing. I tried, but I, I tried to, to, to, I put them in wrestling and they just didn't, they, they didn't to take off on it. And, and then I got to the point where like, do I really want to spend another 20 years in a wrestling room? I don't think I can do it. Yeah. And we moved to Canada and we got many sticks. Saskatchewan, hey, I mean, you mentioned the

hunting and the fishing, uh, is it, like, what, like, just, it's because it's so close to South Dakota, it just made sense. I've been visiting of Manitoba and Saskatchewan for, since the early 90s,

because my brother married a, on Manitoba girl and lived in Manitoba, uh, and never left.

So I had ties to, to, to, to Canada before I even had any intentions of living here. So I had just been coming up and visiting my brother all the time and, and, and, and enjoying the hunting life and, and the fishing life and then I, I just, by chance, I came across a farm that was for sale and, and I, that was, it was, it was after I fought Randy Couture, and I was doing well, and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna buy this property and then I just kept buying dirt and Saskatchewan.

Are you watching hockey games with your boys? I know you, I've seen pictures of you at, like, the Winnipeg jet's games now that you're in Calgary, you go on a flames games with them, or,

“or do you stay at home most of the time? You know, if the boys want to go or whatever, but honestly,”

my kids, like, we've had opportunities to go to the games. They're so busy right now, like, they don't even, they're like, nah, I want to be in bed by nine tonight. If we go to the game, I ain't going to bed until 11. So, that's pretty cool that my kids are, like, well, let's just watch it on TV, you know, and that's fine. And it's a whole, it's a whole process too for me to, to go to these things. I mean, you get fans in the stands,

and, and it's not really enjoyable for, for my kids either, you know, so like, to, when dads get and pounded and, and wants to, you know, well, everybody wants a piece of me when I go out, you know, so, and, and the kids, they can care less. I was going to ask you about that. Your, your face, your famous man now. So, it's got to be hard for you to go anywhere. I mean, and I, I could see you being gracious at your time and taking pictures, but that can get exhausting over time.

When I'm at my kids' events, I'm just dad. And so, I have to, I have to draw a line, and I do. And I started this years ago with, if I'm with my family, absolutely not, I don't take any pictures. And I'm sorry for that, you know, and, and I appreciate all the fans that have followed me over the years, but I have, I'm a human being and, and my, I'm, I'm a dad and I'm a husband and, and my kids deserve my full attention when I get, when I can give it to them, you know. So, and there,

people are good. There's a lot of, there, it's maybe one out of a million, you know, like that,

there's, they're not cool, but they understand. And I'm, I'm so gracious for these, for the people,

“to follow me. And, and, but, yeah, I don't want to be dehumanized either, you know what I mean?”

And, and, and I'm just another guy with a, and I had a dream and, and, and passion and, and that's it. And that's all it takes. You got to want something really bad. Well, man, you wanted to have three or four things really bad and, uh, accomplished them all. It's incredible. So, you wrestle what? 20 times a year now? I'm wrestling at WrestleMania. Last week, um, I issued, I didn't, but Paul Hayman on my behalf issued an open challenge to anybody in WWE to face me at WrestleMania.

And, you know what, at this point, I don't, nobody's stepping up to take the challenge. So, any fucking goon out there that wants to face me at WrestleMania, show your ass up and we'll see it, we'll talk about it. What about me, me, Whitney and, uh, one for I got something. I got to go, I'm busy. I'm busy. I'm busy that day. I saw the video of you running out of the restaurant biz. I don't think you got it anymore. I got your right here fucking right. You're right, buddy.

If you put all of them together, that would be you. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I thought I could finish that night. I was wishing, like, oh, man, I wish I was having a steak with biz at night man. I would have been behind you being like, yeah, yeah. I love that stuff. I love it. I love it. But I appreciate you guys for having me on and, and I appreciate my, my love for, for hockey is

played that game too. Like, I've never, you know, you kind of get narrow minded when you are

focused on wrestling and all this other stuff. But being in it in the trenches with my boys and seeing how, how this sport, how hard it is, like, it's a whole another level. And, um, I, I take my

“head off to everybody that that involved in that. Did you guys watch the Olympics together?”

I absolutely. Yeah. What a great, what a great, uh, a great time. You know, I live in Canada. I'm American. I was cheering for both. I was cheering for both, you know, but deep down, you know, I'll be honest. I wanted to US to win. I felt, I felt, you know, I didn't, I didn't feel bad. I mean, these guys, like, hey, McDavid, you know, let's, he's going to pull it off. McDavid, come on, but buddy, you got this. You got this and, and, you know, like,

but you feel bad for these guys that, that, you know, they, they're in this. They love the game. And that's, um, it's heart-wrenching for, for anybody to see Lou's at that level, you know what I mean? But just got the rollback last question real quick. Use code [email protected], 20% off your order to the end of the week. Polos, hoodies, joggers, rollback.com, use code chicklets. Well, maybe just a random one. Who's your favorite athlete of all time? Right now, or when I was a kid.

What happened? A couple, like, different. Yeah. So, like, when I was a kid, like, for me,

I was always infatuated by the Arnold Schwarzenegger's Lou Ferrigno, you know, the flex magazine

in the library at the school. Like, I was like, what is this, you know? And so that's where, for me, it started really young in the weight room, because I wanted to, I wanted to look like those

“guys. But the bow Jackson's, I think, you know, the Tom Brady's, anybody that achieves, like,”

true, real greatness, the level of discipline that that takes is amazing. And it's not so much the out, the athleticism, it's the discipline. Anybody that can be disciplined like that, I take my head off to you. Awesome. And I was just going to say, man, I met you in Atlanta. I think you were there wrestling, you had the championship belt over your shoulder. I did you recognize Wayne,

so you came over to say hi to Wayne, and I got a chance to meet you exchange numbers, and we've

kept in touch throughout the years. And I mean, everything you've achieved speaks for itself. But to get to know you on a personal level, like everybody knows, yeah, as the wrestler, the UFC guy, and this hard guy. But for you to, you know, open yourself up to share your story and, and probably inspire a lot of people who are going to listen to this to achieve more Brock, it's, it's unbelievable. And I'm so happy now you're able to kind of enjoy fatherhood. And you can just see how, how, how

how much it brings a glow to you and how much enjoyment. And that, that video you sent me the other day of you reading the line of card for your kids hockey. So that was sort of fucking hot. I don't do that stuff like they, they've asked, like, I wanted to make sure that my kid was all right with it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm passionate about sport because sport goes into all these

“different areas of life. Business, it's a win, you know what I mean? You have to win. You got to be”

ruthless. So I get, I got a real fired up on the speech for the boys, you know, and, but that's just who I am though. I bring a lot of energy, the psychology aspect of it now that I'm, this is almost past me, you know what I mean? So now I'm thinking, I want to talk to these kids. I want to give back, you know what I mean? I want to give back to these, to these young people that need, that need some mentorship. You know what I mean? And so that's, to me, I was like, you know, as long as my kid was good

of it, I'm good with it, and, and, God, they, they pulled it off and they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they won, it was a three game, you know, triple header, best out of three, and it was one, one going into that, and they pulled it off. So fucking, it's, it must've worked. Oh, yeah, you kick in the trash. I'm trash can't over it. I was just, I was on fire. As soon as you did it, I thought, oh, shit. Oh, shit. I was like, oh, I can't believe I just, if anybody, and thank God,

they all had their helmets on and, and face masks on. A beer goes sailing through the locker room, and over and, and it busted open, and there's beer going everywhere. These kids have to go on the ice. The roughs like, why are these kids smell like booze? Yeah. What's less than they're got them doing in there? The legendary coach, Darrell Sutter, he used to be famous for kicking trash cans. So the guys on their team used to like fill it with like blocks and stuff like that. So when he kicked it,

it break his toe, but he was such a tough guy. He wouldn't even, it wouldn't even be like, well, I, I brain my finger. Look at that damn thing. Oh, I like to grab the can and I demolish the

how nuts I got. I was like, let's go and the kids were flattered up and I was like, man, that's the love of the game right there. Just the love to be in that dressing room, brought back so many memories. And I, I will start crying. I started doing my, my speech with the kids and I'm like, I had to take a breath and I'm like, I can't believe I'm doing this right now.

“That's how emotional I am about it. Yeah, that's passion and and we appreciate it. I,”

I do want to say you mentioned the Instagram clips in this day and age of social media and seeing kids with the skills and I'm sure your boys know it, but it's not hockey, right? And like,

it's, you see some incredible things kids do, but I, I like to remind kids that you can drop

these highlight videos of you in practice, but the game is the game, dude. And you, it gets, it's different than just showing your toe drag and stuff and something you could tell your kids. I'm sure they already know, but we appreciate your time, man. Amazing person and all you've accomplished is, uh, it's true and incredible. So thank you. Thanks a lot, guys. Thank you very much. All right. Have a great day. Have a great day, guys. This episode of Spinchickle is brought to you by

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“guys, life is. It's incredible stuff. And we appreciate him coming on. I hope you guys all enjoyed it.”

We kind of wanted to save this to later in the show, but just horrible heartbreaking news out of Minnesota. Jesse Pierce, who covered the wild. She covered the frost, the Minnesota team in the PWHL passed away. Herner three children, like even saying that makes me sick to my stomach. I saw this come across Twitter yesterday and there's just no words for this one. The heartbreak, you know, we all have for her husband, her entire family and it's just one of the worst things I've ever heard.

And Mike Russo wrote a long tweet about her. I was very nice, you know, she had been mentioned. I think the day before that a nice screen place was opening up that day in Minnesota for the season who's taken her kids. She tweeted a picture of her three kids. It's just like this one. This one hate hard. I think just just having three kids. I don't know. It was just so horrible. So we want to, you know, wish her or give our our best wishes and our thoughts and prayers

to her husband. And I just, you know, there's nothing really to say on this one boy. So no, it's horrible. And it's, I mean, the only lesson you can take from it is, you know, love your, your family, your friend every day, tell them the alabam and, you know, like like you said, taking her kids for ice cream, I'm sure she was having the best day and it's just one of those things where life was so fucking fragile. It's fragile. Yeah. It's it's tough man. But, you know,

you can look at something like this and, you know, just continue to love your family, your friends, tell everybody and, you know, live a better life. Yeah. Um, I mean, you probably were just reading all the tweets too, right? Like just like the amount of support and like just people saying how

she used such a joy to be around at work and like they always put a smile on her face and just like

when you see that many people, like, chime in in, you know, which is like love and support for family. You could just tell she was an amazing person and amazing mother and like the hockey community. Like it's been, you know, tragedy, a lot of tragedy in the hockey community this year. So it's just

“it sucks to see whether it's it's hard to come out of that. But, you know, what are you supposed to say?”

Other news around hockey before we wrap this up. The the NCAA tournament is set. I know we've talked a lot about at one point, hopefully getting the regionals at the top seeds. I think we have BC enough, Jesus Christ. BC's not in this year. BC BU need a team in Minnesota not in Minnesota. I've fired their coach. That's kind of an enormous job. Not kind of a wow. So these are some fucking like if you said like the Premier League of top 20 college teams. Oh yeah, you were free.

Yeah. So it's over 16 teams make the hockey tournament. Yeah. And this year was crazy because

out of control. Unbelievable. I'm playing out of his mind. I think he's undrafted. So a lot of teams are talking. Going to Bruins camp this summer. Oh, he didn't firm. He didn't this upcoming summer. He's agreed to go to the Bruins. So we reached like unprecedented times with these like college programs that are just like, oh, first time ever, first time this where the like the old regime is kind of slowly falling to. And it's all based on in my opinion, the CHL rule. And what's

fun here is I came out and I said, this is going to be unreal for college hockey, which it is. It's

made college hockey like incredible because I feel like every team should be able to get pretty good.

You know, at least competitive now based on the fact you got three different major junior leagues where these kids can come play after they're fine. This is the way that that player should be getting developed. And it sucks. It's not happened. But it really, it does suck for Americans. And why? Because, yeah, yeah, you have an enormous pool coming of of Canadians and everybody there's plenty of money. It does. It does. It makes college hockey better. But it makes college hockey

better. Like we talked about, it's like going to the program, like your playing against, it's just overall the play elevates. And also these players can go not ruin their eligibility. American kids

can go over and play in like the OHHL and develop or even the USHL and how many more, like let's say

in the next five years, how many more programs are there in D1 that their work? Let's say five years ago now, like a ten year gap. You're adding programs every year. Are they? Oh, yeah, 100 percent man. Mary Mary Villen Saint Louis just just announced that they're coming in like if I'd say every two to Saint Agogastana and South Dakota, Saint Thomas, all these schools were in the past three four years. Okay, fair. But, but it's still, it's still is screwing over American kids. Yeah.

It, both can be true. And listen, it's great. Well, they can go play at the university of Alberta or

“to have them for it. But, no, I think that that leads into what we're saying and when you're mentioning”

like, wow, there's just a lot of teams that are kind of coming on, I don't know, like that

Augustana team, I think they were the last team to get knocked out only. They were Maramaque one partners, which is an auto bid. So, gee, the top teams are, it's top teams are mission, Michigan, Michigan State, Western Michigan, in North Dakota. He's so. Yeah. So, it's, I think the DNC double A, though, once again, like they just, they don't prioritize attendance, they don't prioritize, like they need to get these games, I've said it for years and I won't go too deep into

it, but they need to get these games on campus. You saw the big 10 shaping shift this past week at Ohio State, verse Michigan at the Yostarina, Minnesota State, playing their CCHA championship at home, like it was unbelievable and it's just like it makes no sense and I look at the South Dakota region. So, they're playing a regional and Sioux Falls South Dakota and here are the teams in it. When a Piac providence, Maramaque, and North Dakota, come on and improve it and improve that.

“There are three schools that are 150 miles with any other. Why aren't they playing at the DCC?”

Talk about changing that? No, not really coaches have mentioned, but that game, who's David Carlisbe. No, he runs it. Gary. So, North Dakota plays Maramaque, so that providence, when a Piac game might have 300 people at the game. Yeah, there's going to be no one there. That's so fucking shit. It's probably because basketball does that, but basketball is different. Like, March, madness, and basketball people are going to come out and salt the code.

There was a game. There was games. I was watching on March, madness, where there was nobody. And then it's like, and then it's like Friday, Denver's playing in Lovelin, Colorado. Okay, Denver, they're one of the big blue bloods, most national championships. They put the game at 4 p.m. Like, parents aren't getting out of work by 4 p.m. It's Friday. Like, you're not, you're not feeling a stadium in Lovelin, Colorado for Denver versus Cornell at 4 p.m. I can tell you that right now.

And the last thing, too, Gavin McKenna, the kid, the guy, all the kids want to watch, 9 p.m. Friday, night, they're playing them. They don't give a shit. They don't give a shit about attendance, TV ratings. It's like, let's, let's fucking put some more effort, some more thought into this.

“And we could fuck, we could bull this thing up. It's a joke. I agree with that whole setup. I think”

I think the regional argument is a no-brainer. I'm shocked that they haven't made the adjustment yet. Staying in call-talkie women's side, Choto Mark Johnson, 1980 hero from the US Olympic team, Wisconsin women, they won the national title. That's nine national championships for him. The back-to-back, 702 wins, 17 trips to the frozen four, and nine national titles. So like,

what a year for her gold-maneled national championship back-to-back and Patty Cazmire award.

She's probably going first overall on the PWHL draft. So, yeah.

Couldn't really hear for her. Oh, it's shit. And I was actually wondering this today, and I see it on the outline. Frank Saravali has said, the NHL draft lottery scheduled for May 5th. Very excited for this year. You got the Toronto storyline. Are they out of the top five? The Bruins get the pick. You have the whole storyline event, Hoover Calgary in the mix for number one. It's going to be a

very, uh, I'd say, what's the word? Not going to rest your field. Just like anxious moment

for a lot of fan bases may fit. If Florida ends up getting a top seven pick, that, that rumor,

“that Brady could shock rumor, the Florida Panthers that key threw out like a year ago. That,”

that becomes a lot more real boy. Yeah. Think about that one. The which one, the Brady could shock. Brady could shock the Florida. He said it a year ago. He said it a year ago. He's like, it's happening. It's happening. If, if Florida has a top seven top eight pick now, to dangle in front of the Ottawa Senators, I don't know. The Martian is just losing his mind. We were pumping on it with tires. We said they're going to get in and now your train could

chuck again for the 50th. Is that why they got, um, Brad Marsha, the fucking pool of Sipping Mercury is every day? Marsha's injured. Are she's injured? No, I know, but is he like, is he like, get a rush to get back? I don't think Barkey's coming back for a reason.

“Yeah. It's what's wrong with Marsha? I have no clue. I think he was all banged up before he was banged”

up even before. Yeah. Exactly. Um, but sorry to go back to the NCAA thing. I thought for some reason it just came to me that they don't do it on campuses because schools are in spring break during the, uh, during the, during every buddy leaves, but if you're better off having it there, then agree. No, I agree. I think it would be, if you played and it was spring break, the place would be packed. Yeah, because they have people who are fans that, but like a Penn State wouldn't be. Yes,

Penn State would be, it would be absolutely fucking say. And I don't even think they, they all, they don't all line up on spring break like this next weekend. Penn State packed all in town when they did in Pennsylvania. So, um, if you consider, we mentioned the three teams from Michigan, uh, making the tournament, uh, we got some more Michigan porn for you hockey fans, uh, we interviewed Ryan Miller, and that's going to be coming out soon. And, uh, an, an e-slancing Michigan legend,

did he, you said, he played three years at college, correct? Yeah. Like Augustine is in his third year,

this year, uh, the Detroit peck, the, the great goalie. So, you could get got. So, if the number one seed told serve, you get three teams from Michigan and the frozen four, that's pretty crazy. And Western looking to repeat, right? Yeah. I think it's going to be Michigan, Michigan State Denver and Quinnipiac. I think that's my first one. That's a form four. That, that would be a good form. You think Augustine would go to Detroit this year if they lose, they need something. I know.

I know, but they're not even playing, uh, did you play a center? Hose? Well, Larkin is skating. Hopefully he's back soon. Guys, um, fun episode. Thank you to Brock Lesnar. Uh, thank you to everyone who tuned in and we will be back later this week.

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