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Behind the Scenes Minis: Oh, Kropotkin!

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Tracy shares her intentions to cover Peter Kropotkin years ago, and also unpacks some of the positive and negative aspects of his life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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(upbeat music) Welcome to Stuff You Missed In History Class, a production of I-Heart Radio. (upbeat music) Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson,

and I'm Holly Fry. We spent all of this week talking about Peter Capacan and anarchist communism. Not something we have spent a lot of time really diving into you on the show before.

I thought about doing this episode during early COVID. It didn't work out, but it was because there was such flourishing as the wrong word because it was happening in response to a government action

that was not happening. But there was an influx of mutual aid programs, organizations of people trying to work in their own communities, trying to help people, trying to meet needs that were not being met of which they were many.

And I realized pretty quickly that it would need to be a much bigger episode than what I was sort of thinking. Right? I just think what I have it. But then, here we are now in the year 2026.

Still a lot of need happening. Still a lot of mutual support and aid going on for a lot of different reasons. - Yeah. - Still also a lot of calls for change in the government.

- Yeah. - You know the US. And wow, at least for me, I don't know why algorithms think that I want this. But I am continually being served discourse

about like people who want to make reforms within the existing government of the United States. And people who want to throw it all out and start over, which is what Krapatkin was advocating. - Yeah, I mean, I think if you're,

I think if you're in any way looking at anything political,

these days you're gonna get that eventually 'cause I get it too. Just the same arguments over and over. There are a lot of things that Krapatkin wrote about that I definitely find appealing.

You know, I love the idea of everybody having enough

Nobody being left behind.

And nobody being under the thumb

of an oppressive government machine. All of that in favor of. But I'm also like, we live in such a even more globally interconnected world than during Krapatkin's lifetime.

Right? Right, just vastly, vastly interconnected. Like I was sort of just thinking this morning, I was like, international air travel. How would one do that without governments?

And some people are probably like, we just wouldn't have international air travel anymore. I mean, which I just think of Star Trek,

they figured it out. Well, there were still governments, right?

Yeah.

So like the communism slash socialism questions.

Like those are there's one, that's one set of questions. Yeah. And like the sort of Star Trek utopia of everyone having enough and they're not being, you know, capitalist monetary structures happening.

Yeah, like that's one thing. But the not having governments, like that is an additional whole thing. Yeah, I mean, I think it starts to be like, how do you define a government, right?

Like could there be a coalition of transportation organizations that enable something like that? They're so, you know, if they are all of this depends on like the goodwill, altruism, and noble efforts of humans, which is where things get tricky.

Because if you had a coalition of transportation

organizations that were doing this outside of government, things like regulations would not be an issue because they would all be trying to do the best by all things. Yeah. I'm about to invoke Anakin and Padme, right?

Like that's the problem is that I'm literally working

through this as I'm talking, right? Here's that whole, listen, I know not everybody likes attack the clones and that's fine. But there's that whole metocene where he describes what he thinks, how he thinks government should work.

And he's like, yeah, it's just me smart people getting together and talking through and she's like, what do you think we're doing, dog? (laughing) That's exactly what we're up to.

But everybody doesn't agree. And that's the tricky part. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot going on there. There are a lot of things that felt to me very idealistic in his writing at the time that he was writing it

in the late 19th, early 20th century. And then I was like, and then now on top of that, we have an internationally interconnected food supply. (laughing) Yeah, right?

And so if there were to be a giant revolution, it would have to happen in a way that doesn't lead to

a collapse of the food chain and people starving, right?

And it's just like, yeah, unending questions and issues. I do wonder, if he were alive today, I would want to read his thoughts about the billionaire class that has emerged in the world and individual people having enough money and power to buy information distribution

channels, like newspapers and just use them to whatever end. I mean, I think we can extrapolate how he would feel about it, but I would love to hear what we're writing. I would love to hear his words on it, because I enjoyed reading his writing a lot.

Yeah, a couple of random things that I could out of the episode because I just kept getting longer and longer. When he was a kid, he was his brother. Number one, one of their big amusements as a family was to go to plays and to the ballet.

Great. And so he and his brother and then I'm assuming like younger half siblings after they were born, they would amuse themselves by putting on plays at home. And their stage was the door between their bedroom

and the classroom because that was divided with a curtain. And I was like, I love that, that's perfect. Absolutely great, natural pricinium in place. Yeah, I love it. Also, multiple sources that I read about him

or lectures that I listened to or whatever, I'll take a moment to talk about his social identity opinions, a lot of anarchists in the late 19th, early 20th century were also like sex reformers. And we're calling for things like free love,

Acceptance of relationships,

regardless of people's sex or gender, right?

If did I already say free love,

free love, if I didn't already say that, you did.

And it seems like Cropatkin not one of those people and was more conservative along those lines. And there are some interpretations of him that come to the conclusion that he was homophobic. And apparently one of the things that has led

to this conclusion is that when Oscar Wilde was on trial, Oscar Wilde was a huge fan of Cropatkin and Cropatkin's writing and political thought and Oscar Wilde wrote to him for help. And he didn't acknowledge or respond to it apparently.

And people have interpreted that as like him not being in support of Oscar Wilde. And then I have also read that he had conversations with Emma Goldman, who was on the more like sex reform side of the anarchist movement and that Emma Goldman

like modernized his opinions a little bit. But I didn't find documentation or quotes or anything about any of that. It was like I kept hearing people make those same arguments and I couldn't trace them back to source material somewhere.

And I also didn't have a good place to put any of that discussion in the actual episodes. Right, especially when it's nebulous. Yeah, there was, yeah, nebulous is a good word. We talked about how his language at the time

reflected words like savage that are unacceptable today, but we're in wide use. So it's not totally surprising to me that someone who was raised in the society that he was raised in would still have biases

that maybe other parts of the movement would be on a different perspective on.

I mean, especially when you consider his origins, right?

Right, I mean, I'm marvel at somebody who literally is born into extraordinary privilege and it's like let's get rid of all of that. Like that's a very unusual thing in and of itself. But like he still has that hard wiring of like,

yeah, this is how the social more age work and he's probably not even cognizant that that's just like part of the conditioning you get as a kid in that environment.

So, you know, totally possible that he never really

thought about it until Emma Goldman was in my imagination. Like, hey, what were you doing with Oscar Wilde not answering? Well, I mean, I can see a world where like, he didn't know how to answer and was thinking it over and it got away from him.

I mean, yeah, sure. I do that with just completely benign texts from people. We're like, I don't know the answer to that question. I got to think about it. Yeah, two weeks later, do you hate me?

Oh, no, I just forgot. Oh, yeah.

I literally had that happen with an email

that a listener sent to us asking for a contact elsewhere. Yeah, I heard. And I didn't know who to direct them to. And I sent a note to someone asking if they knew and it was not in my brain anymore

when that person didn't give back to me. And I didn't follow up on it. And then I found an email in my drafts, like three weeks later, and it was like, whoops, uh-oh, sorry about that.

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My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had a lunch with him one day, and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through,

and I know it's a place that comes. Look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent,

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Yeah. He goes, but there's so much lock-in ball. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall,

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Trust me babe, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. One of the articles that I read for this was by eight scholar from Russia and said that a lot of work

on Kropatkin and on anarchism is still basically banned

in Russia today, oh wow. Which is unsurprising, but also I couldn't figure out how to really confirm that right to what extent that's just a very broad thing to go try to track down. Right.

I mean, I feel like it's harder and harder to ban information, right, in places that have internet access.

Yeah, but also I think about, like the stuff that came up,

when we were talking about France, banning various things. Right, in the Tay of Field, Stymlin, episode where I loved the work around of like, I'm just gonna go across the border and have my pamphlet printed and then I'll come back with it, everything's cool, everybody be cool.

Yeah, yeah, even with like, you know, the so-called great firewall in China, like there are still ways to get information around things. Yeah, I think the last random thing that I had written on my list of random things to talk about

was the fact that the sun went down at three o'clock in the evening when he was in prison. Because living in Massachusetts where in the winter time, the sun is down by like 415 or 430, for part of the winter, like the idea of it being even earlier

than that, I was like, that hurts my heart for you. That you were not only was the sun going down that early, but also you were in prison for it, but he had books to read. So at least there was that.

I mean, the imprisoned part I get, I don't care about the sun so much. I have a hard time in the winter.

I know, I have a, like I've never been formally diagnosed

with like seasonal effective disorder or anything like that, but I have a noticeable pattern of feelings and behavior over the cold dark winter months. I do, but I call it winter-raged disorder because I don't care if it's dark,

but I hate being cold so much that it makes me angry.

Yeah, and I will say we had a very mild winter this year

and while I don't like what that means in the bigger picture,

it was nice to not get angry. (laughing) Yeah, we did not have that. Yeah, you guys kept getting like piles of snow at every turn. Yeah, that just did not go away for a really long time.

Yeah. I went on an actual for real hike this weekend. I had been on walks, hike is a little different thing, both because of like weather and because of time. And there it gets to a point where when everything is melted,

I know the places where I could usually go hiking are gonna be swampy and I was not really up for the swampiness. But yeah, I will say I am not seeking advice on what to do about my winter stuff, but things that do help me are making sure I am getting

enough vitamin D, including whenever the weather permits

going outside, yeah, that helps me a lot, helps me a lot. Yeah, I like 20% vampire DNA. I think I just don't care. Yeah, yeah, I can't remember if I said before, before I was born, my dad was in the army

and he was stationed in Alaska. And my mom also struggled with the cold dark of Alaska. And she made homemade chocolate chip cookies every week because that made their apartment wherever they were living. It smells so nice to have freshly baked cookies.

I love it, I love it. I mean, you don't have to wait for a miserable weather. You could just do that. Yeah, we're fun, yeah. I'm also very fond of Peter Karpocken.

And I think there are people who are fans of Peter Karpocken,

really, really love him.

So I hope those folks who may be in the audience,

I think we did him justice. There are things we didn't even mention that he wrote a book on Russian literature. Yeah, all kinds of stuff. Like if people were still calling people polymaths as much,

I feel like that label of polymath was not quite as frequent in its use at the very very end of the 19th beginning of the 20th century, I more saw him described as a scientist and a political philosopher, not as a polymath. But I think polymath also suits him.

Yeah. I will confess there were times where we would read a passage of his and I would have to refrain from going right on. (laughing) (laughing)

Yeah, yeah, whatever is happening coming up on your weekend, I hope it includes things that make you say right on. And you know, if not, then I hope you're able to have some quiets of moments to yourself, something that will be rejuvenative and restoring,

that you're able to take a couple of moments to care for yourself and for the people around you, we will be back on Monday with a brand new episode. I don't know if I know what it's gonna be about. We back at the Saturday Classic tomorrow.

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with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. - You can have opinions. You can have like a strong stance.

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