Are Generations Even a Thing?

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- Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of Eye-heart radio. - Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and Jerry's here, just a few gen Xers hanging doing our thing

being too cool for you and drinking Mountain Dew. - Code Red, and that's it. - Wow, look at you on fire already. - I don't know about that. I could have done a lot better, but that was off the dome.

- Yeah, that will off the dome. That's probably a millennial or Gen Z saying. - I got that from you. - Wow, I got that from Noel. - Oh, Noel's definitely a millennial.

- Yeah. - He is a millennial through and through. As we'll see, the birth cohort that Noel, and every one of his age cohort was born into, are exactly alike and they're different from everybody older

and younger and it's pure science, that's proven that. - Yeah, and by the way, we're talking about Noel, co-host, obviously, of stuff they don't want you to know. Among other great things that he's done, including former mini movie crush co-host.

- Yeah, I didn't know if you were gonna say that

for a second time, I was gonna jump in and be like,

"Don't forget movie crush." - Yeah, yeah, he hosted those minis with me. - Yeah, for sure. And he was, he produced them too, right? - Yeah, he produced him for a while,

“and then I think Noel even took the reins”

and hosted two great episodes by himself if anyone has a fan of John Cameron Mitchell or Keshia. - Oh, wow, like Keshia was on. - Yeah, two of the bigger gets on movie crush were Noel episodes.

- Wow, what was Keshia's favorite movie? - You know, I'm pretty great at remembering all of the guests that I had, but I don't remember Keshia or John Cameron Mitchell's. - Oh, okay, well, we'll look it up someday.

- Yeah, something great. - Yeah, I remember when Noel, when you made him producer, he let that go to his head, he started wearing pastel blazers

with the sleeves rolled up and he was always like sniffing

and like touching his nose, he was, yeah, who would produce her for a while. - Yeah, he got an askot, which was a little much, but it started hanging with Bronson Pincho. So we're talking today about generations

“that's why I mentioned that we're all generation X,”

and I was being facetious earlier when I said, this is all proven by science, apparently, it's not, it all proven by science. It's really not particularly scientific, and the whole thing actually, when you start to dig into it,

was this sociological, almost intellectual debate that got somehow manhandled and taken over by marketing who now use it to make money essentially. - Yeah, see, what I found interesting about this and I commissioned this one

'cause it just the whole idea of generations fascinates me, but, you know, you'll hear us say things like, well, it was all a marketing thing, basically to sell people stuff, and it's really, people feel commonalities or there are commonalities

and people around the same age, because of these reasons,

that you're dubbed.

“- Right, there are actually like decent explanations”

that sociologists have come up with,

but they're not, the problem is that you can't paint

an entire group of people with that same brush, and that's what people try to do. - Yeah. - And then also the same market researchers that always hype and their generational researchers,

even though they're not really scientists, their market researchers, if they would be so much more honest, if they were like, here's what a lot of kids, the cool kids are into today, start selling to them like that, not like this entire generation,

like this specific group of well-to-do white suburban kids, essentially. - Yeah. - Exactly. - But it's still interesting to talk about. So let's talk about it a little bit,

because there are generations that seem to have really, like our paying attention to them really kind of started in the beginning of the 20th century. That's when people started thinking about this kind of thing. - Yeah, for sure.

So we're going to kind of go through since they've been dubbing generations, specific generations here in the United States, we're going to go through them to begin with. And I think it's a good sort of primer

for when you're hanging out and talking about this kind of thing with other people, you'll know all this stuff, because it was one or two that slipped in there that a kind of forgot about.

- Like the Lost Generation?

- Yeah, that was the first one, right?

- Yeah, so they were born between 1883 and 1900. They came of age during World War I, which was like a massive catastrophe for the entire world for everyone, nothing had ever happened like that before in the history of humanity.

- Yeah. - And it was just a really big deal. And this was the group that came of age during that time. And they're called the Lost Generation, Gertrude Stein called them that,

but they had a loss of friends and family to death in the war, loss of limbs, to landmines, loss of faith in institutions, and the traditional values that got everybody to World War I, it was a big deal.

And those kids were the ones who went on to become the rebellious jazz age people. - Yeah, and I'm glad we're saying where these came from because that was one of the big kind of curiosities I had. It was like who even thinks of these names.

- Right. - And in most of these cases, we can trace it back to when a person set it first, like in print, usually that doesn't mean they're the people who've dreamed it up. - Sure.

- But specifically in this case, it was from the book The Sun also rises in the epigraph, or in his Heming White quoted Stein, saying you were all a lost generation. And so it looked, that one looks pretty clear, cut.

- Yeah. - The next sentence was too bad, so sad. - You're a dad. - Heming White had a way of turning a phrase. - Yeah.

“- Who was next Chuck, who is after the lost generation?”

- Well, the greatest generation from 1901 to 1927. - Yeah. - And you're also going to notice that the years are going to fluctuate a little bit because there's not a set science to any of this, as you said.

Even though there's this one dude that will learn later is like we should just make it 15 years moving forward. - Right. - Is the first show one with 17 years, and then this one's 26 years?

- Yeah, exactly. This is obviously the generation, I guess it would be like our grandparents who live through the Great Depression and were defended, freedom against the Nazis and World War II.

And this is one name-wise that came about, the name came about much later. Well, I'll go ahead and say who ended up naming it and maybe you can take what the original name was, but Tom Brokaw wrote the book, "The Greatest Generation."

And that was 1998 and that really took off and kind of stuck. - Oh yeah, that was a big deal. I remember when that came out, I can hear Tom Brokaw saying I can't do an impression of it

but can hear him saying it and talking about it. But essentially, he wrote this book about just profiling different veterans. I think mostly every day people and essentially collectively said,

like these are the people who grew up in the depression. And they faced genuine deprivation and many, many cases collectively too. And then they went on and were called to go fight the Nazis in World War II, right?

So there's nobody before, since that's done this kind of stuff, hats off to you, Greatest Generation and they sat back and were like, well, we'll take this, sure, keep going, Brokaw. - That's right.

“And since you didn't do what I said you have to do,”

I'll do that part.

They were not always the Greatest Generation.

They were these two generational theorists theorists or theorists, Neil Howe and William Strauss and they actually coined the term millennial but they had previously labeled that generation, the GI generation, the Greatest Generation

and then Brokaw came along. I used to do a Brokaw weirdly. - Can you try now? I don't remember, it was more about cadence than the actual voice 'cause he always sounded like he was just out of breath

or something like that. - That's pretty good. - It was a breathing thing for him. It always felt like he was just about to inhale

- Enough of that GI generation, though, stuff or the GI generation, I said it wrong. Let's get back to Brokaw in his book. - I mean, what do you need to know? It was a huge book.

- Came out in 1998. - Yeah, I already said that. - Oh, okay, Kit. I just wanted to make sure all of our keys were crossed and our eyes were dotted.

- Sure, we could say the third time

“with that really, you know, if you want to drive book sales.”

- Hit it up. - 1998, everybody. - Very nice. - Still dear. - So let's move on to the next generation.

This called the silent generation. This is when my dad was born and he actually fits this bill pretty well. - Yeah, I think my mom, I can't remember the year, but I'm pretty sure she was this silent generation as well.

- Mm-hmm. - It makes sense. - We're all of that age that that would make sense. - Yeah, I mean, just on the cusp of boomerdum but silent generation is, I guess, maybe so dubbed

because they're between the greatest generation and the baby boomers who got way more attention and the silent generation was just sort of wedged there and kind of quietly wedged there in the middle doing their thing.

- Yes, also though, they, I guess the whole thing comes from a time article or essay written in 1951. And anonymously weirdly, I guess, because this person was criticizing their own generation. - Yeah, maybe.

- But they said, they called them the silent generation. They said, "It does not issue manifestos. "Make speeches or carry posters. "It has been called the silent generation." And I think they mean by me.

And like, they were just basically saying, like, our parents did all this amazing stuff and we're just, we don't do anything where the silent generation. So that makes sense.

And then also, I guess the silent generation describes them. They're supposed to be cautious, conformist. That's another reason they're called the silent generation. So that's, I guess it all kind of adds up.

“- Yeah, but again, I think Dave put this together”

and he points out Andy Warhol and Nina Simone and Gloria Steinem and Bob Dylan were all from this generation. So that's where the generation think kind of falls apart a little bit

because you can always pick out individuals

and say, "Well, they're nothing like their categorized." - Yeah, that's definitely gonna be a recurring theme here. - Yeah. - I saw there's this New Yorker article

by Lewis Minard. It's time to stop talking about generations where he says, essentially, all of the most important figures in like the flower power, anti-war, 60s hippie movement almost all of them were from the silent generation.

- Yeah. - You know, like almost none of the people who were the important figures driving this were actually baby boomers. - Yeah, well, of course that's an X from 46 to 64.

Pretty wide swat there. And this, they have a pretty interesting distinction is they're actually recognized by the US Census Bureau. The only generation to be kind of independently recognized. And the baby boomers, I think everyone knows this

because there was a big baby boom after World War II and this isn't something that was just like, the media just got a hold of it. Like there were a ton of babies born after World War II.

In 1945, there were 2.9 million went to 3.4 the next year

and by 1964, they peaked. Oh, actually they peaked in 57 with 4.3, but 64 was the last year in the United States. Which is kind of crazy to think about with more than 4 million burst.

- Yeah, it is, which is strange because I think the millennials didn't, they have more than the boomers or where they just barely second. They maybe they were second, regardless.

- That is quite a baby boom. I think it's an apt. - Yeah, I mean, there are more millennials living millennials now, but I think that's just 'cause a boomer die off. - Gotcha, okay.

- So we talked about this before. I don't remember when, oh, you know what? We did a whole episode on baby boomers. So I guarantee it was in that. - Did we?

- Yeah, we did. I think it was called Leave the Boomers Alone. I don't know. - Oh, all right.

“- I don't think that's what it was called.”

I think we call it how baby boomers work. 'Cause I don't think we were in that mindset. - I think it was give 'em hell, all right. But there's like a whole, the later section of boomers 'cause it's like a 20 year, basically,

like 18 year group and it's a lot changed in between the '60s and the '70s. And the ones that were born later on in the baby boom, who grew up in the '70s had a much different formative age than the older boomers

who came before them and were like dropping acid and everything. These were the people faced with like, America becoming super cynical. - Yeah, I mean, my sister is six years older than me

and she was 65. So she was a year off from being, quote-unquote, "boomer." And she's, I mean, she's solid generation X, if you ask me.

- What about people on the cusp like zineals? - Yeah, I mean, supposedly cusp born people, identify with both to a certain degree, but, I don't know, my sister didn't have much boomer in her. - Right.

So that group that your sister just barely missed,

the second half of the baby boomers,

they have been dubbed Generation Jones by an author named Jonathan Pontel. And he basically said that he dubbed them that, because they're a large anonymous generation, that makes sense.

Jones is kind of a common last name in the United States. - That's another thing too. We should say generations, the other reason why they seem kind of liberty-gibbity is because we're talking almost exclusively

about the United States here. - Yeah, of course. At the most, the Western English-speaking Western world at the most, right? So it's a large anonymous generation, Jones.

Or this one's so weird that they are the generation that's Jones in after their unfulfilled expectations. They're Jones in for meaning or whatever.

- I thought it might have been keeping up with the Joneses.

- That's another one too. But it's almost like every time he said one of these, he's like, "Huh, what do you think of that one?" - Right. Yeah, testing the waters.

- For sure. - Who's up next, Chuck? Would you say the best is up next? - Yeah, I mean, here's the deal, man. I feel like Ginex is very much bordering these days

on being labeled as obnoxious about how much we talk about, how awesome we are. - Yeah, I think so too.

“- I think we're kind of tipping the scales in the wrong direction,”

so I'm not gonna tout the benefits of being Ginex, because we've talked about it before. - Well, also that's like, that's super Ginex. It just be like, "Well, we're trading "in the uncool waters here.

"We'd better cool it all." - Like, you don't eat. - Right, I didn't even think about that. - Yeah. - That's as Ginex as it gets, yeah.

- Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things about Ginex is we supposedly shunned, and we did labels, and we're very sort of jaded and cynical and anti-corporate. Obviously, we think of the Grunge era of the '90s and rejecting capitalism and stuff like that

before a lot of them became capitalist, but they're still plenty of Ginex true and true through and through. Both of those who are still like that. I don't know if you've seen that great

Netflix documentary, "The Secret Moll apartment." Have you seen that? - No, that sounds great. - Yeah, and it's pretty well known story that these Ginexers built a apartment inside the guts

of a shopping mall where they weren't found. Highly recommended, it was a pretty cool story.

“I remember reading about it kind of years later”

when it was, I guess, got a little more media attention, but the documentary's really good, but it could have been called owed to Ginex because all of these people, I was like, man, this was these were my people.

This, I could have seen my friends doing something like this. - Yeah, pretty creative, breaking the rules, but also not really doing anything that's genuinely anti-social necessarily. - Yeah, breaking rules without causing harm.

- Yeah, that's a great way to put it, Chuck. - Yeah, yeah, and we got our name, Generation X did from the Douglas Copeland book, Generation X. Colin, Tales for an Accelerated Culture, which is a great read, I urge everyone to read it.

Copeland apparently, one time said he named it after the Billie Eidle, Billie Eidle's original band X. - Yeah. - Then he later took it back and said he got it from an obscure sociology book

and that in the book it was a reference to a group that the sociologist labeled X, and this group wanted to basically exit the traditional American class pursuits. And I guess pre-occupations,

like, didn't want to have anything to do with that. So he thought that was kind of a good name for it.

“- Yeah, and I think X is long been a stand-in,”

whether it's Malcolm X or just signing your name with the X. So when you don't want to put your signature as to sort of a almost active civil disobedience of like, this is not me, this is not my label. I'm just gonna put an X here.

- Are you allowed to do that? - I mean, I don't know if it's legal,

but that was always, I mean, I think initially,

it was like if you couldn't write, you would sign your name with an X as well, but I don't know. - So maybe the Gen Xers are being ironic when they're doing that? - Maybe, but Gen X is better than baby busters,

which was the original idea for our name because after the postwar baby boom, birth rates dropped a lot. - Yeah, it's a terrible name. I also saw it just like the baby boomers

were divided into a couple of groups. I saw the older Gen Xers are called the Atari Wave,

- Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

- And then carrying it on the Zenials,

“the ones who are on the cusp between Generation X and Millennials,”

they're also called Elderm Millennials. They're called the Oregon Trail Wave. - I love it. I thought we could get through all these before our break, but there's still several generations to go,

so maybe we should take a break and hit up the Millennials after this. - Let's break it up. - All right, we'll be right back. - That is Josh.

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- All right, now we're on the millennials. I feel like this is a, a great generation, if you ask me. - Yeah, I agree. - Maybe not the greatest, but they're a great generation. They put up with a lot more than our generation

and more than Gen Z and Gen Alpha.

“I think they just had, they took the brunt of recent history”

and they've just kind of plotted along and been like fine. Well, we'll be the ones that's fine, you know. They haven't complained too much. Well, I should say they stopped complaining. They used to complain a lot.

And now they've just kind of grown into this respectable, and I think self-respecting group as a whole, if generations were real. - Yeah, I totally agree. That's people that were born from 81 to 96.

And again, there's a pretty big difference between, and you can say this for a lot of the generations, obviously. But, you know, the ones that were on the Cusp either end, I think millennials may be the most pronounced as far as how different people born in the 81

and people born in 96 are, but that might just be me, you know, in my brain. - Yeah, well, I think especially if you're coming of age in the time before computers or the time when computers are starting to be a thing, yeah.

That is definitely, I mean, that's a pretty big dividing line for sure.

I think those elder millennials too,

“yeah, I think there's something to say about”

straddling that line, I think it's a cool. It's just a neat thing to be able to have experience in both of those completely different realms of technological development. But even more than that, I saw that millennials

are divided between whether as a younger person they watch saved by the bell or saved by the bell or call it cheers. (laughs) - Well, there's definitely a thing, you know,

we ran wild in the streets and knocked on doors and called people on the phone. And but we're also can understand young enough to understand all the tech that we're explaining to our parents and grandparents, but I think elder millennials

definitely sort of identify with that life as well. - Yes. - They were first dubbed the echo boomers. Obviously, it's the children of boomers. They created a little bit of a baby bump

on the population charts. And like I said, they're the largest living generation right now. They took over in 2019, took over the boomers

at 72 million millennials in 2019.

That's a lot of folks. - Yeah, and just a little bleak note on that statistic, it wasn't because they kept being born up to 2019 if you know what I mean. - They were originally generation Y,

or at least that was the early consideration, at editors at adage. And as you'll see, there's a lot of marketing people that have their thumbs in this pie. But they were the ones that were going to try

to call them generation Y as like a more extreme generation X. But our buddies, Neil Howe and William Strauss again, in 1991, they published a book called Generations Colen. (singing in foreign language) In the history of America's future, 1584 to 2069.

And that's where they came up with the millennial generation for pretty obvious reasons. - You left out the comma. There's a colon and a common there. - There is.

- Yeah, there's a comma after America's future. You're right.

“- So we need a jingle for commas, the rare comma, you know?”

- They should have finished it off with 1584 to 2069. - There's an exclamation point. - You're right. - And then the zero and 269 is the ampersand. Let's just keep it going.

What's the, what's the one in 1584? - It was, it got to be punctuation

because the first thing I thought of was an eye

with a heart above it. - Oh, that would be. - That's an eye though. - They can actually program anything they want to into a keyboard.

I found that out when Prince changed his name to a symbol, the artist formerly known as Prince. - And you could type that. - Yes, they send it out to all of the media and press to basically insert it into their font catalog.

- So they can do that. - That was pretty funny. - They can make an eye with the heart above it if you want them to. - Yeah, I think so.

“- And by the way, I said I think it's pretty obvious”

but we'll say it out loud. It's the first generation to be the first to graduate high school after the year 2000. - Right. - So there you have it.

- And sorry, I realized I'm being a little squirrely today that you keep setting me up and I'm like, no, let's talk about this instead. - That's right. - So the other thing about I think the reason why

millennial stuck in overtook generation why, which I fully remember, that was really close to being that generation's name. And I'm really glad it turned into millennials. It has like an optimistic kind of hopeful feel to it.

- Yeah, I think so. - So one of the things that characterized millennials as far as generation researchers go is that they came of age during 9/11 as young kids that was an enormous thing to learn at a young age

that things like that can happen in the world and that an entire culture can lose its innocence in like one morning. And then also as they started to enter the workforce, they got smack with the great recession

and couldn't find a job for five years

and they were the first generation

to start moving back in with their parents 'cause they had to. So who's up next Chuck after millennials? - Well, everybody knows, Gen Z. They're staring at you silently, but not judging,

I don't think, or maybe they are. - No they are. - 1997 to 2012, the reason is Gen Z is just from when it was supposedly gonna be Gen Y before them. I, Gen, Laura case I was gonna be the initial name

because of obvious reasons again, or Apple stuff, they were the first one. - Digital natives is what they say that were literally all born and raised in the internet age. - Yeah, I like I, Gen, that could have been good.

I'm sure Apple was like, yeah, let's call them that. - Yeah, let's sue everybody as well. - They were also almost called Generation K, which is astonishing to me. The K is for the K and Catness ever deem

- I, who thought of that?

“I mean, I had to be the movie studio that made that, right?”

- Probably, probably were publicists they secretly hired, but the reason why is because it's just such a, almost a dystopian era that these kids are growing up and are grew up in. - Yeah.

- And now I mean, but still,

first of all, you don't wanna name an entire generation

after the deemiest thing you can think of. - Yeah. - You wanna kinda have at least put some sort of a positive spin on it and we'll see why it matters in a minute. - Yeah.

- What about Generation C? - Surely, that's gotta be upbeat. - Yeah, Generation COVID or Coronavirus. That was a consideration for a little while as well. Luckily, that did make it and we got Gen Z,

who was known for what Dave calls, quote, being extremely online. - Yeah. - As opposed to just online a lot, I guess. - Yeah, they're also known for curating their online images.

They were the first to really start paying attention to this. They also put a lot into a lot of stock into being authentic and socially conscious. They're also on the negative side frequently called coddled entitled Snowflakes, that kind of stuff.

Again, all of this stuff, you're like,

yep, totally, totally, 100% just stop for a second.

And remember, you're talking about millions of people from all walks of life. They're all coddled, they're all snowflakes. They're all entitled, like, think about what that's actually saying, right?

So, and the idea is that this is all made up. So, you just gotta remember that because what was just cut into the chase real quick right now. There's like a real harm that can be done in calling entire groups of kids or dismissing entire groups of people

as snowflakes or woke or whatever, kind of heat that word. - I can barely even say it, even sounded funny coming out of your mouth. - Right. Like, you can even derive their, you know,

focus on authenticity or whatever. You can take any of these and turn it negative. And that harms the group that you're talking about.

But it also makes that group present you,

yeah, probably the older person who's criticizing them and what they care about and what they're interested in, because you weren't or it doesn't make sense to you and your values, there is actual individual harm, but also more importantly, a social harm

that can be done because it allows for essentially a socially acceptable form of discrimination, which is ages and whether it's going up or at an age or downward in age. It doesn't matter, it's still as harmful.

- Yeah, it gives somebody permission to do something like that. - Yeah.

“- And it's no different if you're like, "Hey, you know what?”

"You're not like other Gen Z's. "You're the real deal. "You're not like an entitled little snowflake." And like, just stop, that's even worse almost. - It is, stop being the uncle at Thanksgiving.

- Just stop. But simultaneously, stop being the millennial who says, "Okay, boom, or although I know it says it anymore." But that was harmful too, even though it was - Yeah, who really accurate?

(laughing) - Interesting thing about Gen Z, the day found some research on some of the politics that was a survey on gender. And 53% of Gen Z women apparently describe themselves

as a feminist compared to only 32% of Gen Z men, which is the largest gap, I don't know about, of any generation. That's a 21 point gap compared to an 8% gap. Same question for Gen X.

What I thought was super interesting. - Yeah, I'm very concerning too. And that's legitimate because they're using Gen Z as just a shorthand for an actual age group that was legitimately surveyed.

“So that is a troubling value, change in values, I think.”

- Yeah, what's next? - Next up, Chuck, is the latest generation, not greatest, latest, who knows whether they're gonna be greater or not, the history will tell us eventually. But that's Gen Alpha.

And I think it's very reassuring that we're not on Gen Z anymore because that's still a little troublesome that you reach the end of the alphabet as a group goes, like a population of few meetings goes. Now we're back to Alpha, and that's great.

I'm glad for that. - Yeah, well, in earlier when I mentioned there's some guy that wanted to just say, let's just make it 15 years moving forward. That's a guy named Mark McRindel.

He's an Australian social researcher, and he is the one who coined Generation Alpha, again, just starting over after Z. And he said, and also, he sends a little grumpy. He's like, and also, can we just make him Greek letters

from now on and go Gen Beta after this? - And everyone said, no, you're not the boss of us. We come up with our own willy-nilly, and we decide as a group what we like and what we don't like.

but don't get above your station McRindel. - Yeah, yeah, slow your roll, buddy. Although it would probably be Gen Beta, which would be kids born this year, starting this year. - Yeah, I predict it's not going to be Gen Beta, Chuck.

- Yeah, I agree.

“- I think it's gonna be, they'll start with that,”

and I think it'll be something else. I think humanity just wants to spite Mark McRindel. - Yeah, and Beta has such a negative connotation now, just from those alt-right weirdos that beta male stuff. - Right, plus also beta max, no one like that.

- Exactly. Beta-dine, that stuff was the worst, 'cause that means you have a nasty cut.

- Right, or Beta-fish, they're always fighting in the mirror.

- Yeah, they want to Beta-fish, boring. - Yeah, and it's sad for the Beta-fish though, 'cause their prize is at Tony Fair's very frequently. - Yeah, that's true. - So apparently, Gen Alpha is even more online than Gen Z.

So much so that they don't even really realize, well, they're also still pretty young right now. They're born between 2010 and 2025. They're cut off just happened last year. They're not even aware that there is anything

that there's other stuff out there. - Yeah, yeah, there's the alternative. - Yes, exactly, thank you. That this is just what people do, because that's what they grew up doing,

and there's a lot of concern about what affects that's having on them. Gen Z, the big concern is social media and the devastating effect that can have on a developing mind, which in Alpha,

it's like all technology now is just gunning for those little tiny brains and people are like, what's gonna happen with this? - Yeah, trust me, I'm a parent of one, and I wonder sometimes.

- Yeah, I mean, it's gotta be so preposterously hard to raise a kid these days compared to 30, 40, 50 years ago. - Yeah, I mean, there's more raising a kid,

“that's what you mean, like, more active parenting.”

- Yeah, yeah. - Oh, definitely, for sure. - What I think's weird, and, you know, I'm getting a little off track, but Gen X was like, we were wild in the streets

and our parents ignored us,

but we were the first helicopter parents.

- Yes, I'm not, of course, but that was where it came from. - Right, Gen Z turned out to be really weird and really weird as far as that goes compared to how we were raised and then how we're raising kids,

our own kids, it is very surprising. It's a surprising turn of events if you ask me. - Yeah. - Yeah, I guess that stranger danger finally got through us, but not until we were like, 40.

- So this generation thing is, like we said, mainly made up, I mean, the term generation obviously comes from biology and like when a parent has a kid that offspring is the next generation. But as far as like, generation's goes,

as we're talking about them, there was a sociologist, I think,

kind of the first guy to write about this,

his name was Carl Mannheim, and he wrote an essay in the 1920s called The Problem of Generations. And he was just sort of trying to look at like, how do groups of cohorts or groups of people change over time? And that's where he, and you know, he was in his book,

and I think generally when people talk about this stuff, they're talking a little less about like, back then the factory workers and farmers and a little more like intellectuals and writers and artists. - Yeah, 100% manheim was like,

people who aren't like intellectual or artistic, they're probably not changing that much as a group over time, but a taste and art and culture change, you know, pretty distinctly over relatively short periods. It's a decade, two decades, that kind of thing is like,

why? And I mean, I'm sure other people have noticed this too, but Mannheim was the first to stop and try to figure out what was going on, and what he came up with was essentially what most the average person believes generations

come from today, average person on the street, you'd think about this kind of stuff, and that is called the imprint hypothesis, and it essentially says that some event, some process, something big of historic proportions

that happened during your formative years as a kid, made an impression on you, imprinted on you, and made you kind of who you are, gave you your outlook on life, and because there was a whole other cohort of kids

you're saying, mage, the same thing happened to them,

“and that's why people within a generation resemble”

one another in a lot of ways, especially with trends and values and outlooks and stuff. - Yeah, and we've talked about all these as we've gone along, you know, the depression, COVID, 9/11, all these things.

Those are generation shaping events, according to him being imprinted with those.

- There are other sociologists that say,

“you know, it's not really outside events”

that's causing this stuff. It just sort of organically happens when groups of young people are all just hanging out and growing up together. - Yeah, so it's a chicken or the egg situation,

like the society change because new people grow up and just change society, because there's new people in new ways of thinking, or do people change because society changes like EG through COVID or the Challenger disaster,

or something like that, or the fall of the Berlin Wall, that has these huge imprints on people, and there's actually a guy named Morris Massey

who basically combined the two.

He said that there's values that separate the generations, that that's really what it is, and that the reasons that the values are different among generations is because of that impringing process, happens to hit at a time when you are in a formative,

I guess a formative place where you're figuring out what your values are, and when that historic thing happens, that helps shape your values,

“that same historic thing isn't gonna have the same effect”

on older people because their values have already been shaped, but it will on that one generation. So yeah, that's essentially what his jam was, he was kind of merging everything. - For sure, you know, we promised talk of advertising

because in marketing, that's where a lot of this comes from, and it does because no one really talked about this stuff until the 1970s when baby boomers were getting into their 20s. And, you know, if you know anything about, just marketing and selling things to people,

that demographic of 18 to 24s, what they always say.

But, you know, basically people in their 20s, it's a big, this one you have money to spend, maybe for the first time, if you're out from under the thumb of your family and your parents, and you've got your first job, maybe,

or at least in the old days you probably did. And so, they want to sell the people. They always have, they still do, that are in their 20s. And those are also the people that are shaping the taste of generations and influencing people around them

in age. - Right.

“- And when the baby boomers were coming into their 20s”

in the 1970s, companies went wild, and they started doing all this sort of market, generational market research that is a very big deal. I know this is an older step, but in 2015, they found out that American companies alone

spent $70 million just on generational consulting.

- Yeah, those people that essentially

who've made up generations or say that it happens every 15 years or something like that. - Yeah. - So, yeah, you want to take a break and come back and talk about some criticisms of this?

- Yeah, let's do it. - Okay. - That is Josh. I'm Chuck. (upbeat music)

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“and we're gonna talk about some criticisms in a second.”

We should say that, you know, obviously the media plays a part in all this. It's not all just like a marketing scam. But when the media picks up on these names, especially and you know, all of a sudden there's people writing books

and technically that's selling something, but that's producing a, you know, your take. Like everyone's got their take on this stuff. So there's gonna be plenty of people writing books about all these generations.

- Right. - But the whole idea is like, is this even a real thing at all? And sociologists look at three different effects that influence how people think and behave

and they're the life cycle effects, the period effects and the cohort effects. - Yeah, the life cycle effects makes the most sense to me in that you are likely to essentially not change your personality, but change your outlook, your values,

that kind of thing as you age. And so entire cohorts of people age generally the same. So they're all going through the same life stages at roughly the same time. So they, like the baby boomers are really pronounced

example of this. When you're younger, you're more rebellious. You question the system, you want to change things. Hence the 60s hippies. As you get a little older, you become much more materialistic.

You become say more grounded. You abandon your earlier idealism in a lot of cases. The yuppies of the 80s. And then as you get older and kind of get put out to pasture, one of the ways that you can make yourself more relevant

is to become politically active hence the older current today, baby boomers. So like this whole idea is that we confuse that for generational effects that people are actually just going through life stages together on mass.

Yeah, exactly. Or that you know, millennials are like, now we're not having babies and we're moving to the suburbs. We're living in the city and we're staying single or at least getting married and shutting kids.

And while plenty of them did and still do, as they got a little bit older and this is the life cycle effect, a lot of them did get the skids and families. And a lot of them did get the house in the suburbs. And it's just, you know, it's an age effect thing.

Right, the same thing with period effects.

It's basically saying, no, there's no such thing as generations

or we confuse the generational effects or differences for actual period effects. And what that is is that those same historic events happen. But they impact like everybody, we just happen to focus on the group that it tends to impact the most,

the younger generation. Because again, they're going through a formative time. So COVID affected everybody and all sorts of very deep ways, right? It affected like kids, people were preoccupied with kids because those kids like basically had a whole year

of very important schooling that they didn't get. And that was a huge focus of society. And so that kind of became looked at, focused on and kind of, that was hung on that generation where it's really everybody got affected by COVID

in a bunch of different ways. Yeah, for sure. And the last one, cohort effects, I don't really see the difference and why this has even broken out.

But it sounds just sort of like the other two combined in a way. That's exactly right.

That was that Morris Massey thing, basically.

And this is what we think of as generational effects. Combination of life cycle, imperial effects, producing groups where you are different from people who are older than you, from people who are younger than you, that's generational differences

of generational effects.

“That's what people are saying, like, that's, no,”

life cycle effects, sure, period effects, sure. Cohort effects, I don't know, we don't really think so. Yeah, exactly. As far as criticisms go, we've loved if you out there as far as what generally people think,

how they think critically, about dividing people up like this. But one big problem is that you've sort of touched on an earlier

But it's from small sample sizes.

“So the media has a lot to do with this, how this plays out.”

And Dave makes a great point. If you're, you know, when you talk about the 1960s,

like the first thing that comes to your mind

is like Woodstock and the hippies and sticking a daisy and the barrel of a rifle. And there were very few people like that if you look at like percentages. And you base it on things like drug use

and premarital sex and feelings like that. Like apparently almost 90% of Americans, 20 somethings, did not smoke pot in 1969. And if you look at movies in TV and the media, you think that kind of that was what everyone was doing.

Yeah, like 112% of 20 somethings in 1969. And exactly, and that's the thing. Like the media highlights the most extreme segment of a group of people. And that still happens today.

The loudest people get the most attention, essentially. Yeah, for sure. Another big criticism is when you, and you touched on this a little bit too, like when you group people up

in these huge cohorts and say everyone's kind of like this,

“you're really, really ignoring everything”

within that group of people, like all the little differences, like, oh, race and class and income and privilege and stuff like that. And you really nailed it when you said like when people talk about generations and broad terms like this,

they're kind of talking because it's a marketing thing about like, you know, middle to upper class, white America in a lot of cases. Yeah, it ignores intersectionality, essentially, which ironically is something that people say

that Gen Z is preoccupied with. Yeah, although, you know, there's, I totally believe this is a thing, but I remember when I saw the movie Kirkland, Spike Lee's great movie about his life

growing up in the 70s in Brooklyn, New York. I remember watching that movie and being like, oh my God, that was my life growing up in suburban Atlanta in the 1970s as a white kid, like, we're all the same. Okay, right, right.

So there were similarities. He also had much, he faced a lot of differences that you didn't face too. I'm sure in vice versa, you guys have different challenges for sure.

But that's more of like a society was like that at that time.

“That's what parents in general were like,”

okay, this is cool, is what we're doing. There's, let's just have latch key kids that's what we have to do because both parents are working now and we're still figuring it out. That's what society was doing.

The question is, did that have an impression on this whole group of kids the same way to make them unique in that way? That's what generations are saying? Yeah, for sure.

And, you know, one of the other criticisms you were talking about earlier is when you give them people permission to sort of drag and dunk on a whole generation for being like, on your phone too long or addicted to your screens or this or that

or snowflakes, if you dig down and look at actual statistics for some of this stuff, Dave found out and this doesn't surprise me at all. I've talked about the fact that baby boomers are on their phone, at least in my life,

more than anyone I know. Sure. People 65 and over average 10 hours of screen time a day compared to seven hours a day for 18 to 34 year olds. And that is not just on your phone,

that's also due somewhat to the fact that when very sadly, when some people retire, they start watching TV during the day, which is the death note, if you ask me. It is, you want to not watch TV during the day

and not watch it in bed at night. Yeah, well, I love watching TV in bed. I do too, but in hotels. I love it, man. There's nothing better than watching movie in bed.

What do you, you watch movies in bed? You don't watch TV in bed. Whatever. You don't watch Jimmy Fallon. No, no, I don't watch any, I love Jimmy Fallon,

but I haven't watched late night talk shows since Conan left. Well, that's a pretty good reason to stop, actually. Yeah, nothing so. Chuck, you got anything else? Because I'm hoping you say no,

I feel like this is a nice little package that we put together. Yeah, no, and that means long stuff is out. That's right. Oh, wait, no, no, no, sorry.

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