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Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, Jerry's out there somewhere, which makes this stuff you shouldn't know, yeah, old school insect edition from Robert Lam. I know, it's got mouth parts in it, but it's no Tracy Wilson joint, yeah, it's Tracy. But it's still good.

It's super charming. It starts, Robert starts this article out from the perspective of a spider who has been dragged into a wasps nest and is about to be eaten alive by a wasps larva, yeah, it's pretty interesting. Yeah, it's a good article, I guess is what I'm trying to say, and if you are not familiar with Robert Lam, then friends, you are missing out on not one, but two, no, three, really

great podcast that that guy has put out, what is it stuff below your mind? Of course, the stalwart science tech, well, that tech sort of science plus show. Yes, yeah, in depth, like super deep rabbit hole, interesting stuff, and then he did what I called Transhuman, yeah, that's a fiction scripted sci-fi very cool, yeah, and then also he and Joe, who he does stuff to below your mind with also do invention too, which

is kind of an in depth rabbit hole thing about invention, so check all those out, everybody. Yeah, it was fun to kind of get back to basics with a nice little insect cast on wasps, and dude, I went outside today on my side deck to let the dogs out and low and behold, I looked, but I was, you said who let the dogs out, sorry, you said let the dogs out, so I had to, I thought you were saying wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, I was saying woo, woo, woo,

woo, woo, oh boy, that was a wasp, you know, the ground, okay good, all right, sorry, did I, I knocked the legs out from under that story, yeah, this is just a wasp, but it was, you

“know, the timing was it alive, oh, I didn't poke it to see it, it was not attached, I think”

it had fallen, so my guess is that it did not have any more wasps resigning in it. And that's got to be a real letdown, because it's the middle of summer right now, so they're, they're wanting to grow, there was probably larva in there, huh, yeah, that's really weird, they must have abandoned it, then yeah, and wasps are, you know, I think, you know, everyone loves the bees now, because they should, because bees are awesome, and bees produce honey,

are still just so maligned, and they're the ones that people will reach for their can of raid, to spray, and no qualms, yeah, and you shouldn't, don't do it, let the wasps live, I'll go ahead and say it now, we're going to say it a bunch, yeah, let them live, totally Chuck, thank you, yeah, we're here to open everyone's eyes to the function and purpose of wasps existence.

They're not like mosquitoes, remember in the mosquitoes episode, we basically concluded that

there's no reason for mosquitoes to kill them around, and they just are terrible wasps are

“not like that, and I think Robert does a really good job of basically pinning down why wasps”

get such a bad rap, one is that their stings pack such a wall up compared to other stinging insects, it hurts, and we'll talk about their, their stings in the venom that goes along with it, which is okay, that's fair, like nobody wants to be stung by a wasp, it's really a can ruin your day, and then also the other thing is that if you pay attention to wasps, you realize that they live these really brutal, grizzled existences, their predators, and in fact

in their habitats, their apex predators, they're like sharks and lions, but for the bugs, and sometimes small animals that live around there, like I didn't watch any of the videos that I could of because I'm just really over animal death even if it's nature, yeah, that's true, similarly. When I was doing the end of the world with Josh Clark, like I went into it just feeling fine about that, that's just nature, that's the way things work, and then one of the guys I talked to

is David Pierce, who you and I talked to actually first in our super stuff guy to happiness,

but I went back and interviewed him, and his whole jam is like we could actually eventually engineer the biosphere so that there isn't any suffering among animals, and like what we take as natural isn't necessarily have to be that way, and it's really changed how I view like violence even among animals. So anyway, the upshot is I didn't watch any videos, but one of the

“ones that I saw, the title was Wasp Kills Baby Bird, so that video's out there if you want to see”

that, but I just can't, I don't like to see that stuff anymore, you know? I mean, I didn't really like enjoy it before, but now it's just downright bothers me. Yeah, I get it, that's I live with a person who can't watch anything like that, so I get it. Yeah, so there are more than 20,000 species of Wasp, like I said, Hornets are a kind of Wasp, so if you hear, I mean, you would call the Hornet a Hornet, but you can't necessarily use them interchangeably, but Hornet is a Wasp, and

there's a lot of, you know, over that 20,000 species, there are a lot of different kinds, and a lot of variety, as far as what they'd look like and what they're shaped like and what color they are and how they'd like to live their life, but as with every insect cast, we're going to go over those body parts. Sure, and because mouth parts is in there somewhere, and it starts with that exoskeleton, just like all the little insect buddies have that Kitan exoskeleton, and in the

case of the Wasp, they are very segmented out, they have three segments that get your head, which has got those antennae, the sensory antennae, you have those mouth parts, because they lick and they bite, and then you have the very cool looking compound eyes and simple eyes, these sort of kidney-shaped eyes of a Wasp that are very sort of signature. Where do they known as in your Italian accent? Oh, silly. So, in the Italian, if a vowel follows a C, I'm actually sure,

yeah, it makes a chest sound. If a C is followed by an H, it makes a cut sound. So, is this really

“pronounced or jelly? Yeah, okay. I think in, like, among biologists, they probably say Oceli,”

but since you were doing the accent, sure, I wanted to set you up for a lesson in and saying, I can appreciate that. Okay, so you've got the head, has some eyes, also has a brain chuck, which I saw supposedly Wasps are among the smarter insects out there, they can recognize each other by face, by facial markings. Did you know that? Yeah, hey Steve, are you doing? Stinganyone? I'm doing okay, Ted, thanks for asking. Just killed the baby bird, some weirdo was filming it and

put it on the internet. Well, actually Steve would say, no, I didn't stinganyone, because I'm a man, and I don't sting. Oh, yeah, that's a really great point, Chuck, which we'll talk more

about later. You'd find the stinger in the abdomen, which is the third part, the lowest part of the,

the wasp body, but only in a female, which I think this is true for for bees, too, if I'm not mistaken.

you got the thorax, which has the six little legs, and then those, those really quick flapping wings. Yeah, so in between the thorax and the abdomen, you have a very narrow waist, which usually is what gives away a wasp. You can look at it and be like, that's a wasp. Yeah, it's like it's got a corset on. Unless it's a hornet, hornets are much chunkier, more robe toned, but they are, like you said,

“a kind of wasp, and actually, I think the genus that hornets fall under is called Vespa,”

and Vespa and Italian means wasp. So hornets are wasps and Italian. Okay, okay. So, I think one of the coolest thing about the wasp is the history and the evolution of this thing, along with some pretty horrific stuff that's going to follow, but about, in the Cretaceous period,

about 100 million years ago, you had to kind of take a snapshot of planet Earth to understand

how the wasp forms, and back then they didn't have all these flowering plants like we have now. There were a lot of conifers and these ever greens depended on the wind to spread their seed around. They weren't counting on the insects to do this kind of thing at this point, and we should also mention that ants are a cousin of the wasp, which makes sense. They look kind of ant-like. Yeah, I think they finally figured out that ants evolved out of mud dogs through their closest

relative. Okay. Which kind of makes sense? I think they have some ant-like behavior. Like, the age of the Cretaceous period, these wasps were carnivores, and they prayed on spiders and other insects, and as plants started to evolve, they realized that, hey, there's a lot of insects flying around going back and forth. Like, we're just using the wind to carry our seed around.

Why don't we get these insects to work for, basically, and they can do the job?

Yeah. So that was the rise of the angiosperms, which is, you know, whenever you think of a flower

“that the bee visits and moves from place to place, carrying pollen, that's what an angiosperm is.”

Rather than having to just depend on the wind, you can depend on the insects. And so eventually, over time, these wasps, these early predators, that used to feed exclusively on other insects, said, well, you know what, this whole nectar thing in the pollen thing I can get with this. So they started to change their diet from insects to pollen and nectar. But the weird thing is, is rather than developing a way to feed their young from pollen and

nectar, like honey bees, which I think is another reason people like bees, and don't really realize is it? Realize it? Mm-hmm. Is that their little vegetarian vegan animals? Yeah, maybe, you know, they don't hurt anybody. They'll still defend themselves, but they don't want to go

“hurt anybody. They're very peaceful. Wasps are not like that, because even though they generally”

most species of wasps adults eat nectar and pollen, they still kill other insects to drag back to their nest to feed their young to raise their young on. So wasps are technically omnivores. At the beginning of their life, their carnivores, and then later in life, they grow into herbivores.

Yeah, and then amazing. It is. Wasps are way more amazing than I realized.

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See you between the pages. All right, welcome to Stinger Talk. I'm Chuck. I'm Josh. I'm late. No. I'm Ted. I guess it makes me Steve. Yeah. Watch Stings are tough. You kind of mentioned early on. It's, you know, you get a yellow jacket, and that doesn't feel great. And obviously we're talking about if you're non-allergic and

it's not like a legitimate threat to your health, and it's just the pain of the sting that we're rating here. Yellow jacket sting isn't great, but a wash sting, and a hornet sting is really something else. It's, it, it, it, it hurts more and for longer. And for good reason, because it actually does. Like B venom is its own thing. Shears a lot in common with wasp venom. Wasp venom seems to be this extraordinarily highly developed like biological weapon

that is this cocktail of different kinds of compounds that all come together to produce a horrible pain sensation that lasts longer and has a greater impact on your body than anything that actual sting produces. And that's apparently the whole reason behind it is it makes the wash seem way less vulnerable than they actually are. It seems like they're way more powerful. And for all intents and purposes they are. But like if you, if you could take the venom out of the sting,

the sting would do basically nothing to you. But because that the venom is introduced by that sting, that venom is so potent, it's like one of the worst things in the world to get stung by a wash. Yeah, and the actual stinger itself is, it has a pretty remarkable evolutionary story.

So here's what happens in the prehistoric times as parasitic wasp would use this over-positor.

That's actually, you know, the egg laying organ. They would use this pointy thing to lay the egg on a living insect. Like they would lay the egg on the caterpillar. Then these little larvae would hatch out and then they would eat that caterpillar. The larvae would. So at some point, as things are evolving along, mother nature says, you know what would be even better than this is if you could saw open that caterpillar with this over-positor and lay eggs inside of this thing

“and that's exactly what happened. Right. Which made it a lot of sense and I think there's a lot of”

wash species or there's at least some that still do this. Like rather than build a nest, they just go find an insect host and lay some eggs on it or lay some eggs in it and then just let the larvae eat the inside out. But most, I think, have evolved to kind of use some different techniques, which we'll talk about in a little bit. But the the stinger itself stuck around even after it stopped being used to actually deposit eggs into the insects directly. That's right. And you

a little burlap sack inside the wasp body. And then it seeps out. It's got it. It's a barbless stinger. It's just like a straight little pointy thing. But it seeps out through these little valves and coats

the entire stinger. And so they store this stinger inside of a sheath and are always kind of ready to

use it. And you know, like we said, it's only the females because it was an over-positor. But the males can pretend like they'll rare their little butt your way and say, stay away from me. You don't know if I'm a male or a female, right? You don't want to look too closely, right? Right. Which is just

“hilarious. But also, didn't that show like a certain level of intelligence as well? I think so.”

Or at the very least, there's to blow some, yeah, to blow off. Yeah, you know, that takes intelligence which is I think another another indicator that wasps are amazing. Yeah, and like you sort of handed out. The reason this venom is so powerful is as a couple of functions is one is just the simple function of paralyzing those insects. And the other is as a defense. Like it's it's meant to sting something much, much larger and have that thing hurt so bad that it thinks it's hurt a lot

worse than it is and like just wants to get out of there basically. Right. And then that combined with their very usually very bright colorings because you know, usually the more colorful and animal is the more toxic it is because kind of a universal symbol in nature to just steer clear. And hornets and wasps typically are fairly colorful as far as insects go. So those two things combined can teach a larger animal pretty quickly to just leave them alone. And that's kind of how

wasps have made it this long. I mean, they've been around for more than 100 million years, you know.

That's a pretty successful species or family of insects. Yeah, and that includes humans, obviously, if sure you go poking around a hornet's nest or a washing nest and you get stung, you're not going to finish the job. You're probably just going to get out of there. Yeah, yeah, hopefully you can learn your lesson that first time, you know, or maybe you don't even have to learn it directly. You can just know to stay away from the wash. So what's in that

venom? Oh, some really good stuff. I actually found even more stuff than Robert included here. There's some peptides and some enzymes. Some of the enzymes include phospholipace, A and B, phospholipace, A and B. And these actually break down the membrane and lipid coating of cells in your body to basically spill their guts into your bloodstream. And then includes neurons, neural cells can be spilled into your bloodstream when they encounter this

peptide, which sends a excruciating pain, a notification to your brain. And alert alert. You're in a tremendous amount of pain. Yeah, that's just like step one. Yeah, they also have

“a norepinephrine in there, which stops the blood flow temporarily. And that's why like that,”

when I said it feels like it lasts longer, I feel like that's the norepinephrine, a norepinephrine at work, because it just sort of sits in one place. And eventually the bloodstream is going to kind of deluded away, but it kind of hangs out there for a little while. Yeah, that's just mean. There's also a seedle colon, which actually goes to your pain receptors and stimulates them. Right? Wow. And there's also histamines. And histamines are released by your body.

They're responsible for the inflammatory response. But they also, the venom in a wasps venom as includes histamines directly too, just to make sure that it gets that inflammation good and primed. Yeah, and then there's, I was hoping you would take this part, because of that word, you want to try it? High alluronidase? Oh, well. Why use high alluronic acid under my eyes? So, oh, do you really know what you're? Sure, what's that? It's like, uh, it's an acid,

“and it looks important to your eyes. Um, I don't know. I think for bags and”

oh, if like, I just did generally keep, yeah, yeah, yeah, just to keep your eyes looking sharp.

Oh, wow. I noticed your eyes look always looks so sharp. I thought you'd notice eventually.

So, uh, that thing that you just talked about, and then something that you're on a day. MCDP, Massel degranulating peptide, this stuff actually melts through the connective tissue between cells, and basically just sort of it destroys those membranes, and it allows the venom to move a little more freely than it would ordinarily. Yeah, and the, uh, Massel, uh, degranulating

out of them. So, not only does it contain histamine's already, not only does it trigger a histamine

“response or release, it goes and gets it out of the cells that normally carry it around in your,”

in your immune system. Um, so it's just really mean nasty stuff. One of the other things I saw that they've just started to kind of um, pay attention to is called bready, bready-kindin, and it's associated with chronic pain. So, wow. On top of a cute pain production, they're like, how about a little dose of what it feels like to have chronic pain, too, in the mix of all of this stuff, and then chuck, tell me this is an astounding. I got a couple more. One thing is just called

antigen 5, which is a cryptic as it comes. They don't know exactly what role it plays, but they know

it's a very powerful allergen. And then there's a couple of peptides that are anti-microbial,

which prevent the wasp from contracting an infection from a prey that it puts it's stinger in. Wow. Yeah. And then amazing. Like, this is some amazing stuff. Yeah, and I didn't see,

“I saw that hornets can sting again and again and again. But I don't know about the wasp in”

general. Is that the case? Yeah, definitely. Okay. Because a hornet is just a type of wasp. So you've got like mud doblers, they kind of wasp, a hornet is a kind of wasp. And there's like many types of hornets, but they're all wasps. That's right. You know? So yeah, they can sting again and again. Again, which apparently is another reason why they're sting hurts so bad. They can do this to you and inject this venom into you. I saw a one expert interviewed on a different host of works article

that said, an average of 10 times. Like, if you get stung by wasp, usually you're going to get stung more than once and it can be 10 times, I guess, on average. I don't know if they just pull that out of the air, but they were a wasp expert, so hopefully not. Well, you know, those murder hornets that are making the news these days in the States, those things can kill small rodents with a full charge of a sting. Right. The Asian giant hornet, which they found, I think,

three of them in the Pacific Northwest that they thought they got rid of last year, but it turns out they survived the winter, a queen did. Yeah. And, you know, they call them murder hornets because they kill bees. And I didn't know this. It was a big, because it was just sort of a backpage thing. But in 2016, a package of murder hornets was intercepted at San Francisco International Airport. And so they destroyed that, so it didn't become a thing. But

“they're real threat to bees. So that's why people are sort of writing about murder hornets now”

invading as an invasive species here in the U.S. Yeah. I mean, like, it's really doing an injustice to the hornets, unfortunately, because calling a murder hornets, like, if you read some of the articles on it, like, people will say outright, like, they'll, they can kill people very easily. And that's just absolutely not true. And it makes it sound like they're a threat to humans. Like you said, the big threat is to honey bees, and specifically it's to European honey bees,

because they have an evolved around murder hornets, or Asian giant hornets. Asian honey bees have, and they actually have a defense to where when the giant hornets show up. Like you're saying, they just, like, murder hornet is a good term if you're a honey bee, because just a few of them showing up at a hive can just destroy a colony in a few hours. And they do it in a really brutal way. They, like, they decapitate the bees and just kill an entire colony in a few hours.

And they do it because they're one of the few species that, that, that they're omnivorous, but most of their food comes from meat. They're mostly carnivores. So they're eating human babies.

These bees, basically. They, yeah, they just carry your baby right off out of its crib. But they can

wipe out a whole colony like this. If they run into an Asian honey bee colony, those bees have developed their response where they'll swarm around one of the Asian giant hornets. And they'll flap their wings a bunch and generate heat and they'll cook the hornet alive inside the swarm. That was, that's their defense. European honey bees, which make up a lot of the honey bees most of the honey bees in the United States, they don't have that defense. So it's a big problem if the

Asian giant hornet gets a foothold here. Yeah, and it will pack a lot more of a punch too. They have about seven times, uh, potency as a honey bees venom. And as far as the pain scale, they like end it, getting stung by a murder hornet is, they've likened it to like between three and ten, like if you were to be stung by three to ten yellow jackets all at once.

That's a kind of a wasp, you know? Yeah, I don't get, I haven't been stung in a long long time, not good. Knock on wood. I got selling a couple summers ago. I'm not allergic or anything, but, you know, my story I told it back with the B thing was when I was hiking that time. And I got tagged 11 times in the face and neck. When I stumbled, it was one of those underground hives that I just walked over. And, you know, you see two or three bees, you know, oh,

what's going on? Then you see ten. And then all of a sudden, they're everywhere. And you're just

running like a moron through the woods toward the river, basically. But, yeah, I got hit 11 times.

And, you know, that could have killed me if I was allergic out in the middle of nowhere like that. Sure. I thought you were allergic. So we just lied on that episode of the stuff. Yeah, yeah.

“Yeah, it was painful. But there was one. I think that got the deepest on my eyebrow bone,”

my orbital bone. And it went straight through and I could, I could almost feel it all my bone. And that's the one, like at a hard time getting it out, it was so embedded. And it felt like somebody, and I, I know I use the same analogy back then. But it felt like somebody had a tiny little, you know, little nails you hang pictures with. It felt like somebody had that poking that bone.

And they were just tapping it with a hammer in this like regular bead. It is awful. It was terrible.

Man alive. Yeah, it sounds like you stepped on a yellow jacket, Ness. Because they nested in the ground. And they followed you to like, yeah, they were going to come out and go into like, oh, you going, yeah. I think we should take a break, maybe, and talk about nesting right after this. Yeah. Hey, everyone. It's the Jonas Brothers with the Hey Jonas podcast. We've been catching up with some

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Okay Chuck, so we're moving on from Venom. I think we made our point Venom from Wasps is pretty serious,

“and if you want to avoid getting injected with Venom from Wasps, you want to learn to know what”

a Waspness looks like, so you can avoid the Waspness altogether, because some Wasps are more aggressive than others, and if you get anywhere near their nest they're going to be like, let me just give you a little lesson about getting close to my nest, and they'll say it's stingy, right? You want to get away. So the kinds of nests that you see hanging from trees, that's a kind of Waspness that's paper waspness, there's muddobber nests,

there's nests in the ground that are yellow jacket nests. Wasp make a bunch of different kinds of nests, and for you to survive in the world, you have to know what each one looks like and be able to sense them out with your nose. Yeah, when I think of Waspness in Georgia at least, I think of that honeycomb style, where it's just a bunch of little tiny holes, and it looks like it's made out of paper because it kind of is in a way. Yeah, I think those are bald face hornets or Wasps,

“I can't remember which one. I think those are the Wasps, and they actually chew up wood fragments”

that they'll get from say like your deck, or if your kid only has those old-timey wood toys, they might chew those up if they're in the yard, and then they take that, and turn it into actual

pulp, like paper, and they spit it out and make a basically a paper machine nest, which is pretty

impressive. But that's why those things look like their paper machine because they basically are. Yeah, and they're light like paper machine, and they're fairly intricate if you look out and they have some of them have what looks like little roof eaves. They can be, like I said, super light, so they can be dangling from a really small sort of thread like, I don't even know what you would call it, just a thread. Yeah, sort of like thread, I guess. Suspension cable? Yeah, Suspension cable,

exactly. We'll go with that, because it sounds like it's a little sturdier. Although, is that the kind that you found in your yard today? Yeah, I found one of those laying on the ground. When I was a kid, you know, the big hornets nest that are the big sort of, um, also sort of looks like paper machine, but it's more gray, and it doesn't have the little holes, it's just got one central entry point, and it's about as big as a football. Yeah, those were sort of like country decor.

Did you ever know anyone who had one of those in the house? Yes, murderers, serial killers. We had one. My dad climbed up a tree to get one of these. It was emptied. Thank goodness. And we had that thing, you know, mounted on a blog above our fireplace for years. Really? Yeah, that was weird. Well, that's fascinating. Yeah, I don't remember which kind

“that is, and I, I mean, I've looked at so much stuff about. I think it was the white face hornet”

from Mount Mistaken. Okay, is that who it is? All right. Yeah, this is pretty big, and they're, yeah, yes, and they're big, um, the, like you said, the size of a football, their nest can get pretty big. But, yeah, they, they, that's a good one to avoid. I didn't realize that they were aggressive, uh, yeah, you don't want to mess around with one of those nests. You don't want to go poking it. From what I saw though, mud dovers, which actually make theirs out of mud. They're the ones that,

you know, those tubes that you had to come down from like the ceiling down the wall, those are actually mud tubes that the mud dober has made. And mud dovers, we should say,

they're basically two kinds of wasps in the world, wasps in Hornets, social, and solitary,

and solitary is exactly what it sounds like. They, it's just a single wasp, a female, living on her own, um, she'll mate with some male wasps, and then go off, make her own nest, either burrowing into the ground, or if she's a mud dober, she'll make a mud nest. So when you see a mud dober's nest, like, stop and be like, I respect that, because that was made by one single wasp on her own, with zero help whatsoever. She made that nest, um, which I just find extremely impressive

by chewing up mud and just slowly, but surely building it, spinning mud out onto the wall. Yeah, and if you're a social wasp, uh, you are, it's sort of be like in that they're working for the queen, um, maybe more than one queen even, but you have these male drones that are there to mate, and you have these female workers who build the nest, and they hunt for food, and tend to

these little larvae, but it's basically all about getting the queen to live through the winter

to the next season, um, like they will all leave the nest, and I think the queen is the only thing

live until the next winter and start over again, basically creating eggs of, uh, sterile female

“workers to help her to hatch and then help her build up the hive, raise, um, male drones, or no,”

is the drone the worker? No, drones the male that's just used for reproduction, right? Yeah. And then eventually raise little queens. Um, so it's pretty, pretty interesting, especially as far as, like, social insects go, there are very few species of, um, social wasps and hornets, but the ones they are that are pretty, they're, they're highly social, even among, like, social insects, they have pretty intricate complex societies, like, um, some of these, the, the social

wasps, nests, I think, um, including yellow jackets will have multiple queens, and there's one

head queen who is basically beaten up other queens to establish her dominance, and then she'll have

the most eggs, and then the next layer down will have the second most eggs and so on and so forth. And that takes, like, a certain amount of cooperation to maintain and respect that type of hierarchy

“to keep that society functioning the way it should, especially considering you have to, to reinvent”

the wheel every year after winter comes and goes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh, and they talk to each other too, in a way, they communicate, um, especially if there's a threat via fair amounts, so that's why you were more likely to get swarmed, rather than just, like, if you're an actual threat to a, to a nest, they can send a signal that says, hey, everybody, this jerk over here's got a, this kid has got a stick and he's coming at us. Yeah, let's get him. And if they, if they,

they die, actually, they release that. It's like a byproduct of their death is releasing that same

fair amount. Yeah, man down. Basically, they turn into like Harry Dean Stanton and Red Dawn,

whether they're like a vageman. Uh, I guess I have that one. I guess you didn't see the, uh, the video then of the, the tarantula hawk. Is it your not to those? No, but I've seen one in person, actually. Yeah, the pepsis wasp is known as the tarantula hawk because they lay eggs inside of a paralyzed tarantula and the larvae eat the tarantula from the inside out. And I was like, I gotta, gotta see this. And of course on YouTube, there is a pepsis wasp battling it out with a tarantula

and it's no match. Uh, and it paralyzes this tarantula and drags him back like a great distance. Yeah, this is the one thing pulling this tarantula across the ground. But which is much, much

“larger, but the tarantula, like you said, is no match. And even among humans, I think that”

tarantula hawk's sting is like a four out of four on the Schmidt pain scale. Like it's as bad as it gets. Because you know why I have to ask Mr. Schmidt, how bad's it hurt? And he's like, oh my gosh, it's terrible. He said, yeah, but yes, and they're very bright blue and orange too, which is another really another indicator, like stay away. If you see anything, it's really colorful, just assume it can, it can mess you up pretty good. Yeah, don't lick the tarantula hawk, that's the case. Don't

lick that colorful frog. So, but even if they, even if it's not a wasp taking down a tarantula and laying eggs inside it, that eat the tarantula from the inside out, almost all wasp species. If not 100% of wasp species, like we said, they raised their young by, by paralyzing other insects, dragging them to their nest, and laying the eggs nearby, leaving the bug to be paralyzed, and still alive when the egg hatches in larvae crawls over and starts eating that bug alive.

And this is one reason why wasps have such a bad rap because it's just such a brutal horror movie. Circle of life. It really is. Yes, especially for the perspective of the insect. And apparently Charles Darwin said, when he witnessed this happening to a cute little caterpillar, that it made it difficult for him to believe in, and I'm the present and beneficent God. Because what kind of God would allow a cute little caterpillar to do that? Yeah.

The thing is, it's Charles Darwin. I mean, he liked to put it around in the garden, but he was not a farmer. If you're a farmer, you probably kind of happy to see a wasp larvae eating a caterpillar because caterpillars eat your crops. And if you ask me, this is where we get to the part about the roles that wasps play in the ecosystem, and why you shouldn't just go willy-nilly killing them. Yeah, I mean, they'll bring in wasps,

farmers will sometimes if they have like the insect issue, because the wasp was going to take care of that naturally, and you won't have to use insecticide and stuff like that. No, so plus also,

Wasps are not at all finicky, they'll pollinate whatever. So they're non-selected pollinators,

which makes them, like you could use them to pollinate any kind of crop, which makes them pretty helpful. And so they control other crop destroying insects, and they also pollinate crops too.

“So they are pretty useful. So that means that you shouldn't just go around killing them. I think we”

should say it again. No, you shouldn't kill anything except mosquitoes, fleas, and ticks. And you also can't say, well, they're a threat to humans, because I looked up some stats, Chuck, you ready for this? Yeah, you're not going to get killed with formal wasp, are you? No, I mean, yeah, but no, you're not. So combined bees wasps and hornets and hornets are just another type of wasps. Is that so? Yeah, I hadn't heard. They kill about 62 Americans every year

from anaphylactic shock, right? Oh, well, by contrast, 300 Americans die from falling off of ladders every year. In the UK, get this between 2006 and 2007, eight people died from bees, wasps, or hornets, things. I'm including bees here, by the way. And then in Australia, where you address that half the human population is killed off every year by bees and wasps, then has to regenerate every spring. Now, between 2000 and 2013, there are only 27 deaths total for that 13 years

from bees wasps and hornets, things. It's just pretty astounding, but it all goes to say, like, "Don't listen to the murder hornet rap. The hornets and the wasps turn out to kill you. They don't want you anywhere near their nests, but they're not like trying to wipe out your family. They just want to be left alone basically." The murder hornet rap? Yeah. Now, here is the hornet and it's here

“to say, "I come to kill for people's anaphyl." I think I can't wait to re-listen to this one,”

because I'm pretty sure you said that they kill 62 million Americans every year. No. I think you did.

I might have been hearing things. I might have been a computer glitch. Just 62. Okay. Six to the two. I really am curious if you said million. So we'll find that'll be an easter egg for us only. So yeah, don't kill the wasps. If you have what you think is a wasp, a problem at your house, you really don't unless it's, you know, I mean, if you have a really big wasp nest, like right above your front door or something, I could see maybe a case being made for removing it, having it professionally

removed. Or if your kids are playing out back and there's a sinkhole from a yellow jacket's underground nest for hundreds of yellow jacket. And if you're allergic, you're getting that removed too. But in general, like wasps aren't after you. They don't want anything to do with you. They're not aggressive toward humans unless you come poking their thing with a stick. I love this roversus. And this takes like nerves of steel. And he's like, if one lands on you, don't panic.

Avoid swatting it or making swift movements. Just kind of sit there and it'll quickly fly off. Like, I don't want to kill a wasp, but if a wasp lands on my arm, I'm not going to be like, all right, little fella, you're just just going to give you some time. Over the long. No, I would freak out and flail. I wouldn't swat at it because I feel like I would get stung for sure, but I would definitely do a, you know, yeah. Right. You're going to try not to do that.

“You have to listen to Robert and don't panic. Good luck. Every time I see don't panic in the”

wild, I just assume that it's a reference to the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. Don't you? Yeah, I think so. So there's there's standing still. That's one thing when one lands on you. Okay. That's, that's great. Things you can do to keep them from landing on you, though, or to not wear white and yellow outdoors. Yeah. Okay. I don't like, why is it yellow? Why does a yellow doesn't look good on me anyway? But those colors attract insects. You don't want to wear perfume because

you may confuse them into thinking you're a flower. Sure. If you have your garbage can uncovered, don't stay in next to it. You want to cover your garbage can. Yeah, especially if you're us.

We've got a, I always call it the stinkiest garbage can in Atlanta. I think so nasty.

This is pretty bad, too. It's a lot of years of cat litter. Oh, yeah. That's a stink dog food. And then you, you can take down your self if it's below 60 degrees Fahrenheit or 15.5 degrees Celsius because they're probably dead in there anyway. So it's a good time to take it down. But for the most part, we're just going to go ahead and say, don't take down a waspness that you

take money in exchange for coming to get a nest out of your yard. You can give them money for that and they know what they're doing. So you can feel good about that, about hiring them. And it also supports local business, too. Yeah, and don't get that, uh, wasp array that sprays from like 20 feet away and just go home and like attack these nests with poison. Just don't do it. No, stop killing things. What else you got? I got one more thing. You have anything else?

Nope. Okay. So in Japan, it always circles back to Japan. It doesn't it Chuck.

Yeah. If it's quality and good. Including their, um, including the Asian giant wasp, as well as yellow jackets and some other types of wasps. Japanese culture or culinary culture loves

“wasp larvae. But to get wasp larvae, you have to go out in the wild, find a wasp nest in the summer,”

and then take it back home, without getting stung, and raise the larvae yourself. And then when they're ready to go, you harvest them and eat them in the fall, which is pretty interesting in and of itself, right? Yes. It gets even more interesting than that, because to find a wasp nest in the woods, what they do is they take raw fish, Japanese love raw fish, but they share some of those with wasps. And they leave it out as bait, and then when a wasp shows up, they'll take chopsticks and a little

hunk of this fish meat. They have a string tied to, and they'll hand it to the wasp, and the wasp will fly off with the hunk of fish to take back to its larvae, its eggs, with the string dangling, which makes it easier to follow back to the nest. And after doing this a few times, they're probably successful enough that they trek the wasp all the way back, they don't lose it, and they find the nest, and then that's when they take it home and tend to the larvae, and then they eat it in the fall.

That sounds familiar for some reason, I might have heard that before. In that cool? Amazing.

Amazing. Well, that's all I've got for wasp, Chuck. Wasp out. So since Chuck said wasp out, that means it's time for the listener mail. I'm going to call this, add them, I think you were wrong, and Josh was referencing they might be giants. It's a long-winded title. Okay, hey guys, in your episode how we almost got rid of polio, you read a listener mail that referred to how flame throwers work episode. However,

I'm somewhat sad that the reference was it made for the, they might be giants on, Istanbul not Constantinople, Josh made the statement, and it was a wonderful waste of opportunity. Well, that's exactly what you're talking about, right? Yeah, I said not Constantinople. Yeah, that you were talking about that, they might be giants,

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