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With the world's Spidey Sense Activated Marvel's brand new day opens this weekend, we take a look back at 25 years of the web slinger on screen with our top five Spider-Man scenes. With no power comes great responsibility. Let's go with that. That more ahead on Film Spotting. Welcome to Film Spotting.

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“I think that's the main danger on that slow river is you're not paying attention.”

And before you know it, you're 100 yards down. But that is such a beautiful place. And it had been a couple of years since Debbie and I were able to get up there with you all. So it was so good to be back a lot. A lot of changed.

All of our kids. It's like we're walking around mostly with adults now. Yes. And a lot of hadn't changed. APT still doing wonderful theater. I think Casey and Diana was maybe the best.

Certainly one of the best productions. We've seen I've seen since we've been there. And yeah, it was a good, it was a good time. It already feels like it was a month or two ago.

“But that's how the summer's work I guess.”

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“Later in the show, we will have a new poll for you asking you to name the definitive spider man movie.”

I am eager to see those results. Maybe it will break out along generational lines, Josh. Maybe it won't. We have a reminder that film spotting is available as a video podcast. You can watch us talk over at youtube.com/film spotting.

We are anticipating spider man brand new day. This is a film, Josh, that you did just see. I believe a night or two ago. You were able to get to the critic screening in Chicago. I am seeing it this weekend.

We do plan to talk about it next week here on film spotting. So anticipatory programming. We thought why not look back at this entire. I was going to say cycle, but there's been so many iterations and different studios making movies. Of course.

We're going to look back at all of these spider man movies and see if we can cold together. Our individual top five list. I anticipated that we would have some overlap. And it seems that we do. And that's fine.

I am eager to see where we fall on these films. And where we fall in terms of why we like these individual scenes. So we will get to that as we make our way through our list. We have our top five spider man scenes. Any preface to your list?

Just that this was ways here for me. Then our superman moments list, which we just did last summer.

And the main reason for that spider man has always been my superhero.

If I were asked to pick the one that I followed the longest been most enamored with. And, you know, I mentioned before on the show.

“I think that when I was a kid, this is who I want to be.”

This is why I pretended to be. It worked out well that for whatever reason climbing was my thing. As a kid, you name it, trees, jungle gyms, sheds. If you could climb it, I was I was trying to do that. And after seeing spider man.

Yeah, I added the walls of our home to that list. And would try to be spider man to my, my mom, shagarin. This is probably done while wearing my spider man underruse. Which I know have been mentioned on the show before. Do you think we need to explain underruse to younger generations at this point Adam?

It said because I don't think they make them anymore, right? And they were wonderful. They were amazing. Yeah, they late 70s early 80s. I think men sort of as pajamas or underwear.

They were magic. A t-shirt. The t-shirt top matching bottoms in your favorite superheroes costume, essentially. What more could, you know, a seven, eight-year-old want. I mean, it was just wonderful.

So yeah, definitely had spider man underruse. And I think this was interesting. Compared to Superman, where I had to do a lot of research and kind of bring myself up to speed. I'm the history of this character. When we talked about doing this list, immediately four scenes came to mind.

Just right in the first conversation I had with, you know, with family and to my head as well. That's rare for me for a top five. You know, I'll have one or two maybe depending on the topic. And I ended up just sticking with those four. I, I, you know, considered others gave it some more thought.

But it was one of those instances where if it's, you know, pop culture personal like this, you kind of have to go with what hits you first. And then I did a little bit of searching for what could be my number five. And I wound up being a moment that a listener reminded me of that. I'm happy to make as a pick as well.

I think it's a great pick. So yeah, this was a fun one, basically. I will get into this a little bit more as we get into the list. I did have to do one piece of homework. I don't know that I should have done this homework, Josh.

I had to do one piece of homework because as I was preparing, I got a little nervous. I thought despite my love for Spider-Man,

“and I think we've accurately dated ourselves here and everyone is clear.”

But we didn't grow up with Spider-Man movies. We grew up with Spider-Man, the comic book. We grew up with Spider-Man TV shows, the animated cartoons, Justice League. So Spider-Man was a big part of our childhoods.

But Superman, we had Superman, the movie. That was the originator of a lot of these comic book Superhero movies. And that was of course the first one we saw. So I think I was a lot like you and that I immediately became obsessed with Superman. But then Spider-Man came in and there was something about the playfulness of Spider-Man.

There was something about, for me, there was the strength, despite the fact that he was such a live figure.

But he was so strong, he was so powerful.

That is something that appealed to me.

what was it about web slinging that just seems so cool?

You just wanted to be able to do it. Because it was shooting something, which as young boys,

“you have to admit, we're drawn to for whatever reason.”

But it wasn't destructive. It wasn't hyper-aggressive. I think that's it. And part of it is, I can remember too, just swings, just swinging on. Or the swing that just had the disc on the bottom. So there was a single rope.

You know, I would rarely be sitting on that. I would be hanging on it. And this is probably influenced by seeing the Spider-Man cartoon or something like that. I think as we got a little older Indiana Jones played into this. Swimming from the whip, right?

It's all sort of the same emotion that we gravitated towards. And then you see this superhero doing it. And it's like, oh, man. I was, I was worried though because I was thinking, we didn't even review or we avoided for a long time reviewing

one of the last Spider-Man movies with Tom Holland. And I knew, or I was pretty certain, I hadn't seen at least one of the Andrew Garfield there only too. I knew I hadn't seen at least one of the Andrew Garfield movies. And I thought it was possible.

I hadn't seen both of them because I couldn't remember either of them. So I'm sitting here going, and I just not going to bring up the fact that we're doing a top five Spider-Man scenes. And I don't think I've seen like three of these ten movies or something. I'm straining crudulity here.

And then I did the research and I realized that I have seen all of these movies.

“We did talk about, I think, almost all of them on the show.”

The only exception, including the amazing Spider-Man,

the first Garfield stone that was reviewed on the show. And I did see it just have no recollection of it. The only one I did not see was the amazing Spider-Man too. So the second, the second one with Garfield and stone. Rough.

I did that homework, Josh. And it will come up, it will come up in the context of this top five. But no, it did not make, it did not make my top five. I will just leave it at that. But now I have now seen all of them, I'm a completeist.

Good on you, good for doing your due diligence. I look forward to your letter box ranking soon. Yes, that is coming next. So let's go ahead and jump in your number five Spider-Man scene. So yeah, this suggestion comes from a long time listener.

Jonathan Anderson and it comes from Spider-Man 2,

directed by Sam Ramey. It's Spider-Man being lifted by the crowd in the train. And I think that particular moment is my pick, the lifting and carrying him. But it works because it's preface by this great action sequence that Ramey stages.

They're directly connected. So Toby McGuire here, Spider-Man's at the front of this elevated train. High up above the city, it's creating out a control toward the end of the track, which essentially the track just ends there and so if you go past it, essentially like a cliff.

Spider-Man tries a couple of things to stop it, eventually casting webs onto the buildings on either side of the tracks, and then holding them with his arms as he's at the very front. Kind of turning himself into this human break. And at the effort nearly kills him.

So this is when the train stops. He succeeded, but he's completely exhausted, and loses consciousness, and almost falls forward off the platform. And that's when the passengers hand, so the people who are in the car, they reach out of the broken windows at the front of the train,

just one and another and another and another and they kind of grab him and hold him there, catch him. They save him. And then they bring him into the car, pass him over their heads to the back of the train, where they lay him down.

He doesn't have his mask on, and so a man observes. I think this speaks to a little bit of what you were talking about Adam, but why are we so drawn to this character? A man says he's just a kid.

It's a kid. He's just a kid. And all of them are son. And I think as kids, to obviously a teenager, but still, like this was different than Superman,

who was not only an adult, but like an alien, right? This is a kid. So in this scene, he does revive, and then a couple of really little kids they hand him his mask, and you know, promise we won't tell anybody.

There's that contract between Spider-Man and the people that he protects.

“And I think that's what this whole sequence really speaks to.”

The intimate relationship that this particular superhero has to the people he's protecting. And I do think this scene, I like how they set it up where during that whole action portion, as Spider-Man is trying different things to get the train to stop.

Some of the passengers kind of get snarky with him, like what did work? And there's a back and forth.

These aren't just faceless victims, basically.

And it made me wonder, I wonder if Spider-Man is the superhero who people in the story feel the closest to, almost on a personal level. I mean, he is the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, right?

It's right there. And I do think there's something unique. Maybe there's someone I'm forgetting about that, where these aren't, you know, people talk about superheroes being the contemporary modern day,

mythical gods.

“And a lot of times that's how we think of them, right?”

These superior beings. But not in the case of Spider-Man. And a key portion of that is the relationship he has with the people. I'm the streets that he walks and serves. So yeah, I think that's,

there's a great pick of Jonathan's, definitely one of my favorite scenes among all the movies, so I'm going to start there. That would have been one of the top three or four that immediately came to mind for me. And that I would have said, am I going with this?

Because it, in a way, seemed obvious to me.

And I mean, obvious just because it was one of the first ones I thought of,

am I, am I giving enough thought to this for me? Or is this a greatest hit? And it has to be considered Josh. And I am giving it an honorable mention. It is a moving scene in your right about the intimate relationship

between Spider-Man and the city.

“And its citizens is such a crucial part of these films.”

Obviously, the whole saga. I don't know. And I'd love to hear from some New Yorkers on this. I don't know as I rewatch scenes, whether or not the way New Yorkers are depicted

as one of the strengths of these films. It definitely seems to for comedic reasons it seems to resort to the most obvious cliches.

My guess is people would say the Spider-Verse movies

get this the closest. Yes. Is what I would think. That's probably, that's probably true. It's cartoonish otherwise though.

So that imagery, which, which seems almost like Christ imagery, obviously with him being held aloft with his, with his arms out as he's being taken back in is is really a stunning image that line about him being just a kid is one that sticks with you. And the last thing I'll say is that

even in the really bad Spider-Man movies and some of these films that we considered are bad. There are moments like that. Maybe not on that level.

“That's why this one's on your list and why it's an honorable mention for me.”

But, but every, every one of these movies gives you at least one visual moment like that that that you can, that you can take away from it. And, and that's maybe that's why something about Spider-Man and these these films at least

stays in our imagination and why we want to do lists like this one. My number five is one that involves dialogue and no, no great imagery, Josh, unless you consider a couple of really effectively deployed close-ups. And I suppose I will.

I'm going to start with a Spider-Man scene that doesn't involve anyone in a Spider-Man suit, nor anyone in any kind of superhero or super villain suit at all. There's certainly no CGI. There's no spectacle to it whatsoever.

Unless you consider watching Michael Keaton perform on screen, a spectacle. When I think of these Tom Holland MCU Spider-Man movies, the scene that I have to admit is most memorable for me. It's not any of these big show-stopping action sequences.

And it's still a treat to watch. It's the dad talk between Keaton's Adrian tombs and Holland's Peter Parker when he's taken his daughter out on a date and they're in the back seat together as Keaton's Vulture is chauffering them around and he has put together

what Peter has already put together having recognized him because he doesn't wear a mask. That he is the villain, he's the bad guy, but here, Adrian's putting it together that through some of the conversation that Peter Parker

is daughter's date is in fact his nevisus now, Spider-Man. Does she know? No, why? So she does good close to the vest. I admire that. I've got a few secrets in my own. All the reasons I didn't want my daughter to date. Comic book villains is why I also wanted to give a little bit of love

to this scene and not just give it to Spider-Man, as we're doing our top five Spider-Man moments. Comic book villains on screen are just so hard to pull off when you think about the best superhero movies period. So often aren't the ones that are near the top of the list.

Like, three right off the top of my head, the Dark Knight, with the Joker. Eric Kilmonger is one of the great villains in Black Panther, Spider-Man too. You just talked about it and Doc Ock. Alfred Molina is a key part of that and you might be listening to saying, "Well, yeah, duh. The villains, they're the antagonist.

They're a huge part of the movie. They're major characters. They're driving the action." Of course, the villains are important. That's my point though. It should be obvious and yet there are plenty of examples where the filmmakers try to provide some psychological motivation and mostly hope the cool effects will wow the audience.

They give them a cool suit or whatever and some cool powers and that's about it.

And this will come up again when I do bring up the amazing Spider-Man too.

“Electro, anyone? You know, I think Electro kind of fits this bill”

and is one of the reasons why the note no offense to Jamie Foxy. I think gives it his best, but it's not a good villain. And you watch this scene between Keaton and Holland and Keaton is just delivering. What I said at the time was a masterclass in Venice. It's so intense without ever raising his voice.

He's so scary despite having a smile on his face for much of the conversation. I mean, it's a twist and smile, but it's a smile. Dear, nothing more important than family. You saved my daughter's life. And I couldn't ever forget something like that. So I'm going to give you one chance. You're ready.

You walk through those doors. You forget any of this happened and don't you ever ever interfere with my business again. Because if you do, I'll kill you and everybody you love.

“I'll kill you dead. That's what I'll do to protect my family.”

I understand.

Villains, if you really go back and think about him, they almost always have a grudge, of course,

against someone and it's usually Spider-Man or whoever they're fighting or against the world. And they believe they're justified in their actions. Why also they doing whatever, why also they doing it. Unless maybe I can't believe I'm matching it again. Unless maybe they're the rhino, Paul Giamati's character and the amazing Spider-Man too.

He just seems to want to wreak havoc for no good reason. But with the vulture, it's very clear that Keaton tapped into a character who just wants to take care of his family and believes that his business has been screwed over by the government. And when you watch the movie, it's hard to argue with him.

“You absolutely understand the predicament that he's in and you sympathize with him.”

He certainly feels like, even though it's just these two guys sitting in the car, he feels like a real threat to Spider-Man here. As a villain, he's, he's of course a threat despite just being a man. That's it. He's, he's not imbued with any special powers. He is, he is just a man. All of these other villains are almost all the other villains you can think of.

Have been transformed in some way and are not really human or fully human anymore. Vulture stands out because of his humanity. And, and you see it, you see it come through in his, his overprotectiveness of his family in this scene.

Like I said, it was, it was one of the first few scenes that came to mind for me.

Maybe because it's one of the most recent. But of all the, the MCU incarnations, this one had to be on my list. Yeah, it came to mind to me immediately as well unfairly probably because I walked into the family room maybe two or three weeks ago. And this was playing on the TV. This is what my kids were watching and I just had to stop. I had to sit down and finish it because it's really a great scene as a matter of fact.

As a matter of fact, I've got to hire on my list. So I'm going to do some jumping around here and I'll get back to my number four and right now talk about my number three, which is where I have the dad talk. It is if we have to like give a majority of the credit. It is keen. You're right. This is a character as you laid out well. So, you know, smartly conceived and motivated, believably so, and then what Keaton does with it. I mean, those who need CGI when you have Michael Keaton's eyebrows. You're, you're good.

And that's definitely a huge part of the tension in this scene. I do think howland is also quite good here though, even though it's not his moment. This is Keaton's moment. I like how he plays Peter trying to be cool, but clearly not only intimidated, but scared. Yes, I agree.

And she's at the beginning of the scene and I love the dynamic there. She's like, "Okay, I'm going to go in and leave you to alone to have your talk."

“And this is, I think this is what's so great about this scene as well, is the genius, the simple genius of the, of Spider-Man homecoming. Let's say,”

to a lesser degree, far from home, and I think this gets lost a bit in no way home.

But in Spider-Man homecoming is that it was a high school movie first, and a Spider-Man movie second.

And so your emotional investment is equally, at least, let's say, in that scene, in this familiar uncomfortable dynamic of being, you know, a teen couple in a car with one of your parents. And what you're going to talk about, how your parent is going to act, how your boyfriend or girlfriend is going to act, however that goes. Already you've got natural anxiety. And then the context that this story brings into it just amps that up. And I think that's the line that Holland plays really well in the movie overall, but here in particular.

He's anxious as the boyfriend and he's anxious as the hero facing his nemesis here. So it goes back to that, you know, he's just a kid thing. We already touched on, right?

“And that's definitely at play here. I think the best thing about these Holland movies are the way they kind of capture the acute anxiety of that. So so yeah, totally with you there. My number three pick is the dad talk.”

You're going in there. You show them my daughter a good time. Okay, just not too part of the fun of that scene as a viewer is the way it plays with our expectations and our understanding of these familiar scenes and that's a familiar cultural scene, whether we've been involved in it ourselves or not, we understand the dad talk. As the dad and that scene even refers to it, I'm going to have the dad talk and the daughter knows what that means as she gets out of the the car.

And it doesn't go the way it should go at all. So it subverts that, but then also.

It subverts the superhero villain hero. Conversation confrontation scene because there are plenty examples in those movies where and in Spider-Man movies where one of the two in the scene is kind of on to the other and their real identity and so they have that teasing conversation where they're kind of trying to suss it out or they're they're they're prodding the other one a little bit, but it doesn't really go anywhere. Actually, they don't say it. They don't bluntly say what they're really thinking and and feeling and they don't actually call the other person out on it and in this scene, they just, he just puts the pleasant trees completely aside and does that. So I think it just confounds our expectations in that way and a really, yeah, a really great way.

“I've already seen it Josh, but I need to go see Spider-Man brand new day in order to review it here next week on the show. That's one. I am excited to see in the theater.”

Have a couple of kids in my house actually who are excited to see the new Spider-Man movie as well. So I'll have company for that one. It will be fun to watch that now through the lens of having revisited all of these films and thinking about some things in common. Our definitely some callbacks to a few of the moments we we talked about. The invite is the big movie. I still haven't caught in the theater and you can still see that at regal cinemas. And here's one more. I'm going to call out because we were just in spring green and we were hanging out seeing some theater with our producer Sam and he talked about a musical that I've never seen any kind of production of.

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So we've got your number five, we've got my number five and we've got your number three that means then we do have to go back to my number four and we're going to stick with recent vintage spider man.

Spider man into the spider verse and the sequence is my name is Peter B. Parker Jake Johnson when we learn about the backstory of his character and I guess this is this is what I'm looking for or something that I need from these scenes in order to make my list anyway Josh. That's a version of expectations. We're not used to seeing spider man with the five o'clock shadow or with the B in his name. So something's a little bit off our Spidey senses tingling a little but he more less looks like the spider man we know from the movies.

“Everything's checking out he even says let's do this one last time suggesting that he's going to give us the familiar yarn. Let's just bring you up to speed, but it's everything you already know.”

And as you saying it the story in the imagery lines up including a scene we may hear about later right the upside down kiss the famous upside down kiss with MJ and his dialogue the narration includes you see I saved the city. Bell and love okay I got married well that's that's maybe a new wrinkle but I can buy that saved the city some more maybe too much. I'm still I'm still buying this I'm thinking congratulations Spidey. I'm glad I'm glad things worked out you fell in love. And then I'm pretty sure you know the rest you see I saved the city fell in love I got married saved the city some more maybe too much my marriage got testing made some dicey money choices don't invest in a spider themed restaurant

“then like 15 years past Bob Lobba super barn I broke my back a drone flew into my face I buried at me my wife and I split up but I handle it like a champion.”

It's the it's the part about the marriage getting testing and making some dicey money choices and and him warning us Josh to not invest in any spider themed

restaurants did you know Josh that sea horses made for life I can't imagine a sea horse seeing another sea horse and making it work this this is funny stuff genuinely funny stuff and even though those movies these superhero movies are largely about the conflict between between two identities trying to reconcile being a hero versus just being a man I don't think any of us actually do really consider

the possibility that any of these any of these heroes are ever going to be washed up and so this movie makes us think about that and the ironic checks to positions of the visuals

I remember seeing as in the theater and last good out loud at it but I handled it like a champ and he's solving in the shower and no matter how many times I get hit I always get back up and he's just you know crouched in bed completely despondent the way to that Jake Johnson lowers his voice at the beginning he's talking in that normal kind of Jake Johnson way but then when he says the one and only spider man as if he knows as the character he has to say it with some authority but he also means it it's not just out of some sense of duty it's not it's not performative

“he wants to put that authority behind it I think that's why Johnson is so perfect in that role as Peter B. Parker is that he is inherently an ironic actor there's always an element of winking at the audience but he does not overplay it at all”

there's something still deeply genuine that he brings to certainly this character and I think this scene for me may be a microcosm of spiderverse where I remember not only finding it legitimately hilarious but also I was shaking my head at how the filmmakers took something took a narrative and took imagery that was so familiar and made it feel brand new yet a quality of Jake Johnson's performance I think works really well with the progression you get in this scene because it does start out as you were saying with the familiar things and showing us what we knew or we've heard in other

he's saying is exactly the opposite of overseen so so that vocal quality works well with this progression towards complete denial that the visuals

“that the visuals are giving us yes so smart such as smart movie able to be funny and thrilling in so many ways and you know even this character I think works well because”

he is a supporting character to this larger story we're telling and so we can get these qualities before they become wrote or two familiar or too much of a joke

instead they're informing the larger narrative in crucial ways but also really entertaining ones like this scene

all right so I need to jump back to my number four to get us back on track here and I have a bit of a cheat here I did this with Superman too. This is going to be a title sequence and theme song I am choosing that from the Spider-Man animated series that ran from 1967 to 1970 with the superman list we did I chose the opening for those fly sure studios shorts from 1941 a listener

“commented crucial qualities of the superman character in our collective imagination and I think this one even though it's borrowing quite heavily from the comic books”

this did so in the late 60s and onward I mean we were watching this out of not during its initial run we would have been watching this maybe ten years after on reruns right but it had been I'm sure playing this whole time for multiple generations of kids so

if you look at the Spider-Man if you look at Spider-Man as a character basically debuting in a Marvel comic in 62 got his first solo series in 63

and obviously that set the foundation for the character but for me born in 74 I think this was my first encounter with Spider-Man that would be my my guess I didn't really read comic books for whatever reason until I was an adult actually and so this Spider-Man cartoon was my first encounter and I was locked in that opening has everything I wanted it had the swinging you talked about the web slinging radioactive blood sure I probably had no idea what that meant

“but sure sounds great and yeah lots and lots and lots of climbing and I think this also captures a quality that is a crucial one for Spider-Man”

beyond his youth but maybe related that's emphasized here he was friendly he was a friendly Spider-Man

the lyrics are telling us this but the image I'll never forget it's this great little bit

kind of a winking bit in this opening credit sequence where he's swinging through the air and we get a close up and he just waves to the you know quote unquote camera waving we've not me you know like six or seven year old me however old I was there was this superhero who paused in his heroics to give me a little way so it's a delightful piece of Spider-Man I canography it still resonates today this is where the Spider-Man pointing at himself comes from so I did have to have it on my list even though it's from a TV series yeah watching that clip just a little bit earlier today

definitely took me back talk about a wiser nostalgia it did bring me back to my childhood my number three is from Spider-Man 2 Sam Rainy Spider-Man 2 and it's the planetarium party I have to give credit to the host of film spotting SVU one of the host of film spotting SVU Matt Singer for reminding me of this scene and the way I was reminded of this scene Josh is via our upcoming episode of movie death match this will drop in listeners feed if you follow film spotting it will drop in your feed on Monday

August 3rd with brand new day coming out we did a death match between what a lot of people contend are the two best Spider-Man movies old school Spider-Man 2 and new school into the Spider-verse Matt advocating for Spider-Man 2 Daisy Rosario defending into the Spider-verse had a really great conversation about it again that show will be coming into your feed soon

scene down I knew it had to be on my list and the reason why Matt brought it up in the context of death

match is he was mentioning how during this scene you really recognize Sam Rainy's sadistic tendencies as a director how they really come out and we'll get into that because this is the scene that's this big high society gala and Peter has been hired by Jay Jonah Jamison to be the photographer for the event there is a lot of story unfolding here Harry Osborn and Peter are fighting about Spider-Man Peter is watching MJ he doesn't know it when he gets there but Peter is watching MJ get engaged to another

man John Jamison and it all could have just unfolded rendering all of that drama with a very

“dramatic expression like I honestly could have picked this scene Josh forgetting all the statistics”

stuff and just focusing on this moment it could be a top five contender just for the moment the dramatic expression of Peter's torment when he has to watch MJ descend the staircase with John hearing about this perfect man and then seeing her so happy well seemingly happy as she comes down the stairs and the way camera and editing work together kind of swirling around

to show how devastated he is it's very very effective but where this scene really becomes special

for me is that it could have just been all that it could have been just about showing his heartache

“and devastation but what layers to Sam Rainy add being Sam Rainy and I assume it's a”

rainy touch here because it could have been written into the script by David Cap but not only do I trust Matt Singer at least in giving the credit to Rainy it also is part of it Josh where there's no dialogue it's all just physical action that happens so here again I'm going to give the credit to Rainy in the blocking think about everything that is going wrong for Peter at this point in the movie beyond his best friend hating both him and Spider man two parts of him and MJ forsaking him for another guy

he's doubting whether he should continue to be a superhero at all and his powers are fading

“like he's at this this low point the lowest point he could possibly be”

how does Rainy portray the emotional ringer that Peter is going through how everything he wants seems to be just out of his reach how he is both part of society but also excluded from it well the whole sequence begins with him walking into the party and seeing one last or derv on a tray and and reaching for it and right as he reaches for it someone else comes along and grabs it so there you go he he can't get just that little treat that he wants okay fine then he sees we have that great mini sequence where he sees MJ arm and arm with this perfect man it seems john

so he goes outside another waitress walking around with the tray this one Rainy shoots it so it's at his exact eye level like almost beckoning him to come over and take it one more on the tray same thing someone grabs it just before like he can't even get a bite of food here at this party Josh it's that bad so now he's he's having a conversation outside with MJ and she tells him off how this is just not going to work that she has to move on that she's going to have to you know go with this this other you know why she's going with this other man

and another a waiter passes by and and they have one drink and it seems like a fancy drink you know it's got a little bit or something in it any reaches for it parched goes take the large gop and it's an empty it's somebody's empty glass he can't even get his his thirst satisfied there in the moment and as if that wasn't bad enough we get that followed by the indignity of of Harry slapping him twice and then he has to take a photo of the newly engaged MJ and and John so I don't know satist might be putting it mildly rainy rainy's a monster when you watch the scene in terms of the way he treats

Peter Parker over the course of this four or five minutes it's it's kind of horrible but also undeniably funny watching poor

but that that's the sensibility that like I said almost certainly wasn't in the script that an imaginative director like rainy brings to those films that makes those first those first two films in particular but parts of the third film as well that makes those films so special yeah the comic aspect is related to you know slapstick there's a slapstick element maybe a slower

“slower pace lapsed at going on here which I think of as a part of a rainy style as well and yet can we hear that episode of with Matt we should repeat and mentioned maybe to plug more his book spider man marvel spider”

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other cells to tell you about podlandia a rewatch our brand new podcast each week will revisit an episode of portlandia from the very beginning

breaking down the sketches exploring the back stories of almost iconic characters revisiting the portland locations you know and love and opening up about our creative process how did any of this get made why do you think that was a good idea we're ready to talk about it and we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life guest stars collaborators and friends including director Jonathan Chrysel the mayor himself Kyle McGlockland legendary musician any man and many more Kyle is going for it here you fully improvised not just words but a song I thought he was going to write I thought you're all going to write a song

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this is Chelsea Hamlet from dear Chelsea every week the news gets worse the world gets crazier and yamanica is here to tell whoever's responsible you're the problem if you come over here to play games I'm a check you okay if you do some in the news that don't sound good I'm a play you join yamanica sondres as she breaks down the week's most problematic stories on our new podcast you're the problem with yamanica do you know I just found out who Sydney swinging was new episodes weekly every Wednesday as part of my new network the dear Chelsea network

if he got a bunch of women then I should have a bunch of men do better or do less so I don't have to do so much so join yamanica each episode as she answers one question who's the problem i'm yamanica and i'm out listen to your the problem with yamanica on the i-hart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts before we get to our top two we would like to remind you that you can find all of our picks and all of our top five lists over at our top five archive film spotting dot net just click on lists right there at the top of the page we also do link to these scenes whenever we do have the clips available and I think with all of our picks for this list

membership is the single largest support source of support for the show it does keep us doing what we've been doing for over twenty one

years and we normally shout out a couple of film spotting family members we will get back to doing that but we wanted to highlight again

“summer madness summer film spotting family madness the best of the nineteen twenty's and thirty's when we left off i think maybe we were announcing”

we did have round one it played out and we should give some props i suppose to the selection committee in this case myself and same because all the favorites one as i thought what happened sure it wasn't a case of any major upsets here we did have the favorites advance though there were a couple close matchups that does mean that round two is live as we are recording this there eight matchups then and that includes the wizard of us versus chaplains modern times metropolis versus king Kong the passion of john of art versus bringing up baby i mean i i can vote fairly easily in all three of those what about you

so this is basically asking me to rethink an agonize over my sit and sound top ten of all time less you're right in the constantly shifting order because i believe

“wizard of us modern times king Kong metropolis i think all four of those have either been on my top ten of all time list or circling that honor in the various iterations we've done over the years well on the show here so”

i don't know how to start thinking about this i i'm going to need a little bit of a little bit of time i can say passion of john of art versus bringing up baby that's the easy one for me because i only like bringing up baby whereas passion john of art you know that yes it's all timer so that's an easy answer for me i don't know where i'm going to go with the other ones how to even begin thinking about it which is i suppose why we do this thing yeah well that's that's part of it and certainly a reason why we do madness proper on the show

we've always said is discovery even though sometimes we're talking about movies you would think everyone knows when we've been doing more recent decades as we go farther back it is about

sharing titles that maybe some of our audience hasn't seen and in some cases we haven't seen and we're doing the homework that we need to do as well so case and point David Cole a listener who is a film spotting family member participating in this madness and had a comment in the film spotting discord that we wanted to share in this josh you can read it this is this is an example it's an interesting query that we can just throw out to film spotting listeners to consider but also i think it just speaks to why we do tournaments

silly madness tournaments like this because of a reaction the david could have to a film like the passion of jonavark David says i caught up with the passion of jonavark for this tournament and i'm confident i will be voting for it as long as it survives one of my all-time great home viewing experiences in a film i could see putting in my letter box top for at some point that said a significant part of my love for the film was the score that criteria uses which is a 1990s classical work performed by the voices of light ensemble

that was written to a company the film for the purposes of this tournament how do you all evaluate silent films that have soundtracks that were written much later is it possible to separate these aspects of the film and if so should we well thank you david for participating and yet taking the time to watch a jonavark this is a question that is long be deviled me and i've avoided trying to come up with a conclusive answer because oftentimes when you're trying to track down older films like this

“your viewing options are limited let alone your score options but i think it's a it's a really important question and i'm sure a film historian would have”

a decisive opinion on it i think my instinct usually if i'm looking for options is if there is any sort of original now with silent films of course there's no like original original right but if there has been historical work done where this piece was often used to a company you know the

a purest historically but there are many films that um older films that have

used contemporary scores in the way the one david is talking about that probably work better um and sound better and serve the story better so i don't know if the historical purity route is necessarily the best defense it it is so tough but maybe this is obvious and not really what what david is getting into because i understand as you're suggesting there's a larger philosophical conundrum here but for the purposes of something like madness

your choice is your choice and it's what you're limited to it may simply be a case that if you only have access to something like the criterion version of it with the score and for our arbitrary needs

“you're weighing it against the adventures of robin hood and you watch both films and you have to pick one that you”

that you like more all you can do is go off the the version of the passion of john over it you saw

and i don't need to overthink it anymore any more than that i think we always want to default to

as close to original versions as we can find if something but but if it proves to be too difficult i don't know what else you can do right so it is a very interesting question and i haven't had a chance yet to look i'm curious what people in the film's body family discord have had to say in response to david i will check that out other film spotting family members can do that as well because they have access to that discord they have access to the tournament

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listeners are aware of they may be heard about it a little bit over the years this this mysterious lake street screening room that the two of us have both had the honor quite frankly the privilege of of sitting in and it does seem it's it's maybe not imminent we don't know the exact route it's going to take or what the timing is going to be but it does certainly seem based on rich or roper's article

which we will link to in our show notes if you would like to read it it does seem like the lake street screening room may be no more which is really sad to think of when you consider all the history that is in that room so this may be a little inside baseball but hey this is a film criticism show and it's something that we did want to spend a minute on we have to the history is so rich this article by Richard roper is

really good just very reflective and based on my experience attending there over the I guess decades now captures it quite well so we'll link to it it's at rogerieber.com appropriately because this was the home of rogerieber in gene cisco from the early newspaper

“years all throughout their television show and I do remember when I first got a”

chance to go probably mid to late 90s maybe a 40 c it's probably in the article I I should I should know this off hand but not a very big room and when I got a chance to go writing a freelance movie for a newspaper feeling like I was entering the holy of holies yeah because they were all there ebert in cisco but also at the time Michael Wilmington Chicago Tribune critic as well alongside cisco

Jonathan Rosenbaum Chicago reader critic I mean people I had been had grown up reading religiously and here I was sitting in an intimidatingly small screening room with them and so it was that it was also just the idiosyncratic nature of it it's in this high rise you know 16th floor 16th floor of an

occasion for this article or has been sold and yeah you just walked in and you'd go up and there would be this room and there'd be all these folks and you'd get to watch these movies in advance and it's faded you know

“I think I've only been there once maybe within the last year or so more”

screenings are being held just in you know larger theater chains around the city and yeah the quality is the other thing of the presentation though and Richard Roper interviews Steve Krauss who's been the projectionists and really the the running the whole space all this time and you just knew that it was going to be pristine no matter what the format and that's

something you know when you're going to a wider chain for press

screenings you don't always get let let's just say that the framing for the

Odyssey press screening was it was a little bit you know it wasn't quite even on the screen it wasn't disastrous we got the whole picture but just being there reminded me again of what you would get from the lake street screening room so yeah I don't know where we ever there together Adam I think by the time I was doing the show it was being used less and less

but I'm sure there were a couple instances where we caught something there absolutely there were and it's so funny how over the years now it's hard to remember exactly how many times but I I know for sure because I remember referencing and this doesn't happen very often that I do this but I remember referencing the muted response

to the Grand Budapest hotel the first time I reviewed it and it was the critics response in the room and we were all together watching it in the lake street screening room the first time I saw that movie

“I think 2008 2006 early 2007 so just about a year and a half or two”

years into film spotning was when we finally did get access to that room and and absolutely feeling like you had arrived and you especially thought like you'd arrived when you walk in and there's Roger Iver and no one had to tell you that that was his place in the back you you back you knew that if he was sitting there that had to be his spot

and he was going to sit there every time and you would not ever

dare to sit in that seat and I I did pretty much always find a seat

just in like the third row middle but that's the other thing about this that I did want to mention Josh is that I think when you hear about this place and you think about like Cisco and Iver being here at this private screening room for critics the image in your mind you talk about the great presentation which it was the image in your mind is of this

pristine immaculate sort of place and it's not that it was run down or todry or anything but it also always felt to me just very working class and just very much a space where working working critics for there to see the movie they had to see and then go do the work that they had to do in response to the movie it wasn't it wasn't there to be some

how-load movie house it was it was there to project to you a good picture and good sound and a comfortable seat it was not it was not gilded and there was a lot of food being brought in no I can remember you know in in my heyday when I was you know working as a daily critic I would see three in a day you'd have 15 minutes

between the the 10 a.m. got out and the 1215 would start to run down to a hotdog stand and bring it back up before the next one started so there's a lot of crinkling of papers and yeah you're right it was not like this music this hallowed museum which was part of its charm and it's interesting you mentioned that about the the

host reception to Grand Budapest hotel you know one of the things I do appreciate about these larger screenings we have more often now often with audiences who have one tickets to see it is

there's not that sort of and this didn't always happen but that sort of

reserved air of caution that would definitely be in that room and I was a part of it like you know especially when you're new you don't want your your reactions to be heard by Roger because what if he's not

“feeling the same you know so you're dealing with that sort of thing and I think”

that just kind of became or people just wanted to keep their reactions close you know not let it known let it be known how they feel about the movie which is maybe one of the downsides of a situation like that compared to a bigger theater where you could let loose a little bit but yet you know there probably won't be anything like it again just the way

media has gone and you know film film reviewing and

there's you know as many influencers as critics at some of these screenings now which is fine but it's just a different it's a whole different experience than what could be had at the Lake Street screen in room for sure again we will link to the article in our show notes it is a very interesting read if you're curious to check out Richard Roper's piece

we now move on to our deeply flawed film spotting poll it probably is deeply flawed because we don't need all of these choices but we're going to give them to you anyway your task is to choose one

“and only one spider man film i guess that's how we do it”

we're applying it's unwritten here but it is implicit that the incinerator is at work here Josh behind the scenes and only one of these movies survived so which one is it in chronological order

the options are yeah the incinerator has a generator so it's never

offline okay so our option spider man 2002 spider man 2002 from 2004 into the spider verse spider man homecoming and then across the spider verse so we there's a couple of challenges here we are going to include the option of other as well for you Andrew Garfield vans there's two things you have to decide am i going spider verse or live action

and then among that choice which live action or which spider verse um i'm i'm i'm still thinking why way through this so give me give me 20 seconds or so do you have do you have i guess yeah i will i can banter a little bit but i'm just going to stall as well because i've been thinking about this but i was thinking about it before we'd even

come to this poll question just as i was doing the top five list because i should like i'm a little bit on the outside when it comes to the conventional wisdom on this and that is that there's a reason why we picked for movie death match and we did consider what varies people had to say and console various lists there's a reason why we picked to represent the live action we we picked spider man too and there's a reason why we picked

into the spider verse now part of picking into the spider verse may have actually had to do with it being

first animated one and so it felt revolutionary and spider man too actually felt more like

the culmination the pinnacle of of what rainy was doing i'm not going to get into it any more than that but that's my my quick armchair assessment for me and i want to note i have not rewatched other than scanning scenes for the top five i have not sat and rewatched in one sitting fully focused taking notes for review spider man too but i have done that fairly recently with well fairly recently like eight years ago or whenever it was for spider not eight years ago

three years ago four years ago for spider man first spider man the original right because of it's twenty eighth anniversary in twenty twenty two so that is that is lingering in my mind

“but my point is is that when i think about those first two movies i feel like the conventional”

wisdom is the spider man too is the greater achievement and spider man the first one is the

one that is stronger in my memory there seems that are have have stayed with me josh in a greater way and i feel like it is edged out spider man too for me if i'm just picking between them so i'm off on that and here's where i'm off on the animated films especially if you look at which i did if you look back at my notes for those two films i have way more interesting things to say and in my mind deeper things to say about across the spider verse than i do into the spider

verse across the spider verse connected with me and resonated with me in a way more meaningful way than into the spider verse did now maybe maybe i just saw it on a better day and i was more in tune to what was happening and i was paying closer attention but i i can't change that i had the deeper reaction to across the spider verse so i feel like in both cases i'm i'm going against

“the grain a little bit i think you're right that consensus would stay would say not overall but”

between the live action spider man too i'm not sure i don't have a good sense for which spider verse is considered better it might be across as you're saying i'm going to lean on and i know it's not in the language here we just presented but somewhere maybe it was in slack um somewhere i think Sam used the word definitive um and i'm latching on to that because i found it very helpful okay it's going to help me weave a path towards my choice here i think one of the spider verse films

live action have these but the level at which it's operating uh inventantif's craft visual elements and balance of action and humor um one of those is probably the better film but i'm going to stick with definitive and for me neither of those is possible those are the movies we need now where we've been churning our way through super heroes let alone spider man for decades now we need those types of movies now that are we thinking the entire superhero project in in very

smart and entertaining ways not exhaustive ways which we've also seen elsewhere but definitive

for me i go back to live action and i do as well as you go back to the first spider man i just

think it's where and maybe we should get back to our list soon because i think we'll be talking about this with one of the picks it's where what i had been waiting for my whole life to see on the big screen and hoping they wouldn't mess it up and not only did they not mess it up

“but they actually made it work and so that's why i'm going to go back to the first first spider man”

that is where i'm going to vote as well spider man we would like to know your thoughts can't wait to see how this one comes out you can vote in that poll and leave a comment we'll share your feedback here in a couple of weeks vote at filmspotting.net

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“back into our top five and honestly based on the conversation we just had i don't know that it”

could go any smoother at least with my top two picks but we have a listener voicemail came in just under the wire and i think it will help us because it will make this list feel complete it will allow us to feel like we gave every spider man his do it turns out that there is some love for Andrew Garfield spider man and it comes from a bona fide expert on spider man let's go ahead and hear the credentials and the choice of drugefries i film spotting long time listener drugefries here

so i teach a university class on superhero films i'm also the author of an academic book called comic book film style but perhaps more pertinent to this week's top five i also have that mean with

“the two spider men pointing at each other literally tattooed on my body i have one spider man on each”

size so when i found out y'all were doing your top five spider man scenes i knew i had to send in a quick note now i have love for every iteration of spider man but the interguardial that the stone amazing spider man is actually at the top of my list in part i just find their chemistry is a couple to be so undeniable i'd actually put them at number one on my personal list of movie couples full stop and no if that's be you're wrong if you're wrong about us being on different paths we're not

different paths you're my path and you're always gonna be my path but i'm going with a more

traditional spidey scene for my pick which is a swing a scene across New York City this one comes towards the end of the movie spidey's hurt he needs a bit of help the swing over to Oz Corp to save the day and wouldn't you know it the cranes reconstructing the city all start slowly turning inward giving our guy something to swing from cue the water works for me every damn time superhero movies are so bound up with the post nine eleven moment but this scene really beautifully

articulates the united we stand he goes instead of just restaging the attacks themselves as movies like that and begins or the Avengers or man of steel would do anyway i can't wait to hear your picks that's guys there it is Andrew Garfield mark web spider man's they're they're not going to come up in any of our top two picks but drew did get that choice in and i don't think you can argue

“with his credentials i think he makes a compelling choice there and i said it earlier Josh that even”

the bad ones and i don't think the amazing spider man the first one is necessarily one of the bad ones

it it may not be one of the better ones but it's not a it's not a terrible movie but it has a moment like that and drew his right it has a moment like that a nice visual moment like that where those cranes come together and you go oh a spider man movie can give me a nice a nice touch like that with that character and it speaks to what you said earlier that intimate connection between spider man and the citizenry of New York well thank you for the voicemail drew but where's the photo

i mean i i'm not saying i don't believe you but when we did our top five to two tattoos we would get we were flooded with braver souls who have got their movie tattoo tattoos they would send pictures so i bet it's coming now yeah yeah let's uh talk about something for the film spotting family discord can't wait to see it up i like it thank you drew the division out address yeah you know the email address we do appreciate the feedback let's get to our final two choices Josh

you're number two spider man scene let's get back to praise for 2002's spider man and it's the upside down kiss when i started rewatching and researching this pic at him because i knew it was gonna be on my list i really expected to find out that the scene or at least the image at least this image was pulled from a comic book run at one point that i wasn't aware of but apparently not what i did find was a 2022 ringer article that was a deep dive just on this scene written by jake

kring shrieffles and in there they taught he talks a little bit about how the scene came about

know of something similar that they can share uh will link to this as well if you want all the details

on this deep dive but basically the moment arose after director sam ramie scrap plans to film

a fairly standard kiss a top rock-a-feller center and so they were looking for another option and second unit director and storyboard artist dug leftler thought about some earlier jobs he'd been on earlier work he had done that featured characters falling into the frame and so that was in his mind and he started sketching out possibilities and he's sketched out the basics for this scene so this is Toby McGuire's Peter lowering himself next to krsten and done

smerry jane in this rainy alley you have a neck for getting in trouble you have a neck for saving my life i think i have a superhero stalker i was in the neighborhood and i can't really say much better why this works than what krsten shrieffles does in this article so let me quote here if this is in the ringer within the context of the story the scene is a cathartic release for Peter Parker a rare opportunity to embrace his dual identity and be vulnerable with the girl he loves

on a much larger scale it's one of the most iconic and romantic kisses in Hollywood history

a unique and asymmetrical composition of rain soaked interlocked lips never seen before

on the big screen so i have this at number two i do think this is another element of the character

“is the romantic nature and the only thing i'll say about a brand new day is that is definitely”

explored if this is something you love about the spider-man Peter Parker character um that is definitely explored in the new movie in brand new day what that means for this iteration of the character but here yeah it is the the composition and what it means in terms of character and you have when you think of this in terms of all the versions of spider-man it is such a unique i mean

this idea of a spider-man presents so many unique visual possibilities it would be easy to just stop there

and say the things we started with as kids like wouldn't be cool to see him swinging across the screen we got it we're good but to take that next step and imagine ways for those visual possibilities to echo the magic ideas to echo emotional beats to capture character qualities that's when you're really working at a higher level of artistry and in a single shot really i mean there's

“there's a lot going on here that that goes into this i think cursed and dunce makes this a”

pretty sexy scene in the way she plays it actually um so the actors are definitely involved in making this work but um just in a single shot in the framing to be able to invest it infuse it with so much emotion and thematic purpose uh for me makes it you know could easily be the number one for a lot of people probably is there number one spider-man seeing her moment uh i have it here at number two yeah tough not to put on my list it's an

honorable mention it's what i was trying to say or we'll go back to with your number five i believe the stopping the train moment there are some moments there are reason reasons why you consider them Mount Rushmore type moments they belong on that list and from the train Josh it's not just them them holding him but even when he when he faints in their their hands right hold them hold them up and and here that that image is so vivid and and i understand why the ringer

“has devoted an entire article to it i think for a lot of people you're right it probably is”

the number one scene that said everything you just articulated about it in terms of composition being so important and taking the unique visual possibilities of a spider character so perfectly even even better i i think applies to my number two it's like the filmmakers here in spider-man across the the spiderverse said let's take that moment and and maybe they did Josh because it also involves characters who are upside down they took that moment and said how can we extend this even more

extend the the emotional and thematic possibilities of that imagery and when you think about these films so the moment is is miles and Glenn at the Williamsburg clock tower in across spiderverse in in both of the films there's there's plenty of examples of impressive animation thrilling

the artist responsible for these films are elevating the craft and as you said earlier talking

about the pull questions that that maybe in some ways these are even just better films but for me the single scene that best harnesses those capabilities is this scene it's a reunion scene

“it's been i think like a year and a half since these two characters last saw each other so”

they're catching up they're they're feeling each other out but they also know each other so well they know each other in a way like great friends do and and people who are connected the way they are they they know each other uniquely there's also that other dynamic at play where miles has a crush on on Glenn Daniel Pemberton's score is so lovely during this sequence they're high above the city they're they're in this fantasy sort of realm and it everything about it

captures the way you feel when you're seeing someone special to you who you haven't seen in a long time and the director Jessica Thompson he seems to want to keep a grounded in character it's not about showing off with the animation but it is about trying to heighten that that sensation this this

“fantasy sort of feeling this special feeling that these two characters have when when they're”

together and the first time we see them it is kind of subtle right because they're their vertical

in the frame the first time we see them together it it feels like a normal shot so you and your death it's a little off because the horizon is also vertical we're not used to seeing her horizons be vertical and we we can kind of start to put together that oh they they must be walking sideways in a way that only characters like they could do and then when Glenn starts walking backwards along the dome and we with the camera follow her almost like we're on a roller coaster but a gentle roller coaster

that's going over the edge with her it's one of those kind of take your breath away moments but not again not in a roller coaster drop take your breath away just kind of eases you into it it's

it's really something and then there's that incredible 180 degree move that that follows her as she

“moves to the underside of the ledge and she's standing upside down and I honestly just love the”

the tilt up then that we get where miles is standing on top and she's sitting upside down and it it's still keeping some distance between them because I think it's still about he he is still trying to figure out how to kind of move into her space and and how to how to fully reconnect with each other so there's still some distance between them but then he does move closer and he joins her and they spend the next the next few minutes together talking while sitting upside down

just a really emotionally intelligent guy beyond my heels some of the lines of dialogue in in that scene while they're sitting there or just about to sit there together I think really explain the motivation for the sequence in the way it's it's portrayed at one point miles says well maybe some things are supposed to be just for us and she says how many people could you talk to about this stuff speaking to again that special connection how they

are obviously they're they're different and and there aren't there aren't a lot of people who have their special skills and they they need each other and if they are then these types of figures who are going to have an experience that are just the experiences just for them and they're going to talk about things that only they can talk about will it make sense that they would do it in an in an environment in an away that only they can do that only they can have in a moment that

only they can share which is them high above the city sitting upside down so the whole sequence for me evokes that that there they're they're having together this singular experience that is just for them and and then because of that we as viewers it almost feels like a privilege that we get to be a part of it it feels that intimate that we get to sit there and and listen in on the conversation that they get to have I did find a place Josh for the production designer said and I should find

this full name is last name to keep but he talks about the artist Peter Chan who did the majority of work on on the sequence he says he did such a fantastic job Peter is an artist that we traditionally use for the most colorful scenes possible because he has a stability to handle a

and pay very close attention to the sensitivity of the sequence there are lots and lots of very

subtle that huge shifts happening here the city never feels too flat or boring although it feels

magical and romantic it's not telling you directly the visuals are letting you feel the romanticism

“of the moment quietly and I think that I think that does get to part of why that that scene works”

again for all of its showiness in some way if you think about the way the camera is following the characters and that upside down things are happening it is so quiet at the end of the day it is still such a quiet beautiful scene yeah there is a real sunset seeping through the clouds sense of the color here that that quote brings to mind if listeners have not seen this scene you really got to check it out will link to it in our in our show notes as we will for I think all the scenes

far picks because it's kind of hard to describe right and but for all the reasons you laid out

and a few more I'll get to this is why I have being upside down with spider going as my number one I have it ahead of the kiss it's just mesmerizing and moving a student listeners will also remember I had it actually as my most moving moment at our 2022 rap party and so obviously it was going to be on this list it was just a matter of where do I rank it with the others and once I watched all of them again I I had to put it at the top I do think to your point about the dialogue shemik more

as miles here and a hilly stinfeld as a spider go ahead I do think they're giving really good performances and the character animation with him moving his hands slightly towards her is just so astute so in terms of performance it's wonderful but it really is a lot of what you were talking

“about the visuals accentuating those emotions I even like I think the only thing I'll mention that”

you didn't I don't think you mentioned Gwen's ponytail how she puts her hair in a ponytail at the start but then when that whole screen flips essentially she looks like she's sitting upright but her ponytail is poking way up in the air because of gravity right so it's just it's clever it's also orientating for us is the audience is it's like it's okay it's functional but also like really kind of funny and cute and then and then to have the skyline in the background be upside down

with that happening it's like okay I what's happening here but okay I think I know what's happening here and your brain is is registering all that and it does you know it's dizzying and oddly beautiful but it does speak to what you're talking about there unique experiences these are two teams whose worlds have been completely upended literally and you know thematically turned upside down and this is what they're talking about here the stresses the pressures of these having these

powers and what it means for their family relationships and their personal relationships and to yeah to have that represented by the imagery alone I really you know I didn't think the movies could find a way to top the comic book cool and emotionality of the upside-down

“kiss but I think this I think this scene from across the spiderverse manages it so yeah number one”

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why i did pick spider man 2002 though as my definitive spider man in the poll question because when it came down to going with a number one scene i did resort back to Sam Ramey's 2002 spider man and i went with Peter discovering his powers and i do think there's a lot here Josh in the scene that that reflects here again Sam Ramey's sensibilities as a director and how he applies them to this character why these movies work so well starting with Peter looking down at

his hand and that extreme close up of his fingertips with the microscopic hairs it literally makes his superpowers tactile which is something we complain about is these superhero movies not feeling that way not feeling real not feeling tangible here's where i said i was going to maybe mention

the amazing spider man to again the movie i needed to catch up with and i watched it as my last

film so i could cross off all these spider man movies it's it's definitely the worst of all of them i would say without revisiting all of them i would say it's the worst of them and i bring it up in this context Josh because with my respects to our listener drew who says that these movies on the whole work and that he really likes goin and Peter as Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield portray them i don't really have a problem with them but i did spend most of the movie making that face

Dennis Larry makes the whole movie when he appears as the ghost of policeman past who just appears every now and again with that scolding face where he just got about him he just he just appears in scowls at i hope he got paid well to do that like for just one day a work just stay in front of a green screen or whatever in scowl at Tom Holland or nobody he was probably scowling it or not Tom Holland Andrew Garfield he probably was scowling at nobody i do hope Dennis Larry

“got paid well for that day that's how i felt mostly disappointed watching this movie and my”

biggest disappointment was maybe that at no point did i feel not just during the set pieces the major set pieces but during any single moment of spider-man being spider-man at no point did i feel like i believed it at every at every turn the effects jolted me out of my suspension of disbelief it it felt like they had to apply some kind of computer computerized moment computer generated

and here rainy is signaling to you these hands are about to walk up the wall and you're gonna watch it

“yeah it's it's gonna be great this is a fun sequence it's a funny sequence but i think it's so”

memorable in part two because of of the layers that rainy brings to it you don't need a PHD in child psychology to read spider-man as a metaphor for puberty and adolescence with sudden physical transformations and the way that can be scary for young boys and not surprisingly with rainy this sequence starts with some ominousness it's it's in this dark kind of alley out of the sun and he looks up and sees the spider in the web crawling around and there's barbed wire right next to it

and the Danny Elfman score even heightens that a little bit and then when Peter initially starts crawling up the wall slowly it it doesn't feel like this joyous thing it actually feels like something out of a horror movie where a scary monster starts crawling slowly toward the main character and then picks up speed but then once he fully realizes what he can do that's where the excitement begins and i suppose watching that sequence shot the only part for me watching it again multiple

times you could be really nitpicky about is how real a couple of those jumps felt from the aerial shots

but otherwise i bought every single amazing move Peter pulls off there it completely

holds up and the webs and the webs slinging feel real and don't feel like any kind of computer generated effect he's a kid acting like a kid you like you believe a kid would act discovering these powers and going back to where we began every single one of us who aspire to be spider man who dreamed about this moment suddenly actually getting bitten by the radioactive spider that when we put on our underruse and thought if only i could actually sling webs and crawl

up the walls in this moment rainy brought that to life for us he delivered the the confusion but also the exhilaration that we imagined when we were kids and i suppose that is a big part of why

it will always be this movie that scene in particular that's a big reason why this will be the

definitive spider man for me yeah i remember watching this uh in a press screening wasn't at the late screen room but in a press screening and my immediate reaction when this scene happened was they did it because you'd been hearing about this movie being in development for so long and um i didn't know if it could work until we saw the scene of Peter actually trying out his powers and they pulled it off it absolutely worked it was thrilling it was funny as the character should be all the things

“you said it's it's my number six it's you know the top honorable mention for me i think it captures”

the genial enthusiasm which is a core trait of the character as well sometimes some of these movies try a little too hard to force that into fights here and there but it's perfect for this sequence where Peter's response is yes confused maybe a little nervous but mostly this genial enthusiasm and you mentioned the elephant score the best part of it is when he starts crawling up that wall the way the music inches yes the wall with him with him so yeah or just just a

really great scene and my top honorable mention those are our top five spider man scenes we would love to hear your pics or any other comments about the show you can email us feedback and film spotting dot net once again you can find all of our choices and links to the scenes at film spotting dot net just by clicking on lists right there at the top of the page Josh you did list one of your honorable mentions for us already do you have any others you would

like to throw in well i feel like i should give a bone to the Andrew Garfield fans i mean you know

Jerry have you came to his defense but you've just you've been scarred by your your amazing spider

great experience so how about this and it speaks to some of the things we're we've been talking about but in the amazing spider man there's a rescue sequence where spider man convinces a kid who is in a car that's dangling from a bridge and he's trying to convince him to climb out and you know come come come to him come to safety and the kid is scared and what he does to convince him is he takes

“the his masks and gives it to the kid and says it'll make you strong and i think that you know”

it's a really nice moment that also speaks to the intimacy that we've touched on so i would say that

takes place in spider man no way home i i think that's not a super successful i mean i like

it okay but a super successful spider man movie and maybe it's a little hokey that all of the previous spider man come to join tom halan but if you are a completeist or you have a long history with this character i'm sorry it it's kind of cool i mean what they ask the actors to do is kind of lame but the idea is cool enough okay so let's say that the opening of spider man across the universe is essentially a mini spider goen movie and it's wonderful you talked about the color work

“in the scene we both picked with miles and spider goen but this i think of that sequence where she's”

having that fight with her father and the the background walls just start dripping like water colors

incredible yeah i think i think i'll go with those for my honorable mentions yeah we have covered

a lot of the same ground because i already mentioned to the run your list the upside down kiss scene stopping the train spider goen was one that stood out to me that opening and you know what i do or i am willing to give a nod to Peter's reuniting in the latest spider man movie which one is that again no way home that way home yes from from twenty twenty one in terms of one or two that you didn't mention i do have a moment that i called out during our spider man conversation

our twenty-year anniversary conversation where ant may chides will him to foe who i think is great

“chides will him to foe's norma nods born i can't remember exactly what he says but he says”

something that that she gives him a little slap on the wrist and the way she does it and the way

he reacts to it he he doesn't like he doesn't like the way she puts him in his place he's not used to that is is really is really great into the spider verse i mean this is one of those iconic Mount Rushmore moments perhaps as well but the leap of faith is another great visual and and thematic moment as well i thought Josh that i would and i i did the research here i thought that i would be able to find something from this was going to be my off the beaten

path surprise Josh pick you know you went with the i should have known it was coming now it's a trend but just as you went with the theme music or the opening theme moment i thought here's where i'm going to surprise Josh i'm going to even though this isn't that risky here or whatever that much of a surprise i'm going to go with a spiderman moment from one of the Avengers movies or captain i thought about that yeah and i went back and

watch every scene i could get my hand on i thought surely one of these scenes the the relationship between him and Tony Stark yeah it's a such a bond is fine that i have such a bond and and and who doesn't love Tony Stark who doesn't love Robert Downey Jr i'm i'm surely going to find a scene that i love it's going to jog my memory and i'm going to i'm going to feel like i have to put this in my top five and not only did i not find a scene

from civil war or infinity war or endgame that made my top five i this is the honorable mention i'm giving it is that i really couldn't find one a single scene from any of those movies Josh work for the role mentioned is that he does appear in the Avengers movies okay so maybe that's some feedback i'm i'm looking for from listeners in in general but you can give us any feedback on the list specifically is there something is there a key scene for many of those and i know i

know there's there's the death scene and there's the there's the back of life we've been

“those don't stand out to me i mean in the moment and then the context i think the i think”

they're very effective i think his return with his quite moving and i think his presence what he brings just even as a character to that battle scene it's like at an airport or something like that right yeah in civil war i think is a nice there's some nice levity there with what else we're getting so i think he's quite good and a welcome presence in all those movies i just didn't have anything from them that could rival you know ricks that we made okay once again our top five

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is episode three of the movie death match it is a lot of spidey sorry hopefully you'll be interested great conversation though mad singer and daisy risario about spider-man too and into the spider verse see which one gets crowned the definitive spider-man movie it's gonna be one of those two host Chris klemek has to be the judge and make that tough call and Josh that's it because it's break time for the next picture show and film spotting as you I guess they've earned it

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