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These are our stories. Done, done, done. (upbeat music) Hello, that's messed up in SVU podcast. I'm Lisa Trager.

I'm Cara Clank, and every week, it's SVU. It's crime, it's guests, and it's chatting. Oh my God, well, right now, I'm getting texts from my niece. And all caps, I love everything. Thank you so much.

I literally screamed when I opened it. You know, I got her the V-Man Connor story magazine. (laughing) But of course, I got her, I got her a cat-knit magazine. I didn't know about this, but the bookstore

that I'm friendly with, they have a cat-knit and a horse-girl magazine for teen girls. So my God, they're a cat-knit. Their magazines for girls that are enthusiasts of cats and horses.

Yeah, so one is called cat-knit, and the other is called horse-girl. Oh, I go, oh my God, I was like, I didn't know if I have a horse-girl in my life. Of course I have a horse-girl in my life.

I'm sending it today. (laughing) I was like, I don't know any horse-girls. But horse-girl, it's also a band, right? There's a band called horse-girl.

Yeah, I have no idea, I have no idea. I mean, I didn't know about this. They're from Chicago. They're from Chicago. Until yesterday.

Honey, all girl band from Chicago. Oh, all girls, I was like, you know, I don't know about bands. But sorry, I knew she would love it. I love the Postal Service, and I'm so happy. (laughing)

Congrats to Nisi for getting a nice gift, that's fun. And she has my dad's old flyers jacket, which is like, I just love from the '90s.

it's not like we knew what the flyers were.

“But yeah, I like the same time, you know.”

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, right? Like, sometimes you stumble onto some fashions at the old. Yeah. You know what I wish we still had? I had an injured turtle sleeping bag.

Oh, what I would kill to fucking have it. The colors were so vibrant. (laughing) So vibrant. (laughing)

Love you. What's up? You set off pod that Rosie started baseball, right? She started, she had to do a evaluation, which I was like, oh no, this is gonna be really bad

'cause she's like never played before.

But it was literally like just running to first base and she can do that. Like so we're seeing, you know, they have them doing evaluation. I think I was going to call your daughter this bitch, but Rosie is gonna have so much fun sliding and like running.

I think she's gonna get dirty and have a good ass time. Yeah, here's the thing. I'm trying to figure out what to do about her fucking hair. She won't let me tie it up. Her hair's never tied up.

It's down, it's longer than ever. - And could she do, you know, like, like an around headband, just to get it out here and then it can just slide behind. 'Cause medley curly hair and sports do that. They like, yeah, they just headband or sports

headband the curls, but like you can't be anything too tight. So then will it really keep the curls?

“I'm like, if the coach tells you you have to tie your hair up,”

you have to tie it up and she said okay, she said okay on that. - 'Cause even this, like this might be,

well, she can't do plastic 'cause that's injury prone,

but like, yeah. She also wouldn't. She also wouldn't. She's so sensory with like her different. She wears baggy clothes, the hair is down. - I'm with her, I wear baggy clothes.

- Yeah, can she, what about a banana? What about, what about this? What about gripping it like this? - Oh, I've tried. I think even the teeth of those looks scary to her,

but listen, she's down on her side. - My fucking soul cycle teacher today, hair down flowing, she's a maniac. - When I see people working out with their hair down, I'm like, how are you doing that?

Like, I just can't have a, I can't have a strand on my neck, or I like can't breathe. Like, I just, I don't know how people are doing it. But, anyway, she's gonna do baseball. That's gonna be exciting.

I don't know what else is going on. - I'm just going on. - 'Cause we still go to the, when we played sports, we'd go to the athletic trainer's office, and we would take material that they make lubricant things out,

we would like make hair ties out of fabric that they had at the athletic office, but it wasn't foam, but it was some sort of material, and we like would tie it behind it. We like loved using their materials for our headbands.

- Interesting.

“- So that's what's in my head, and it was soft.”

I just, I have to contact an athletic trainer. I don't remember what it was. There was like a roll of-- - It's somebody here. - It would not go on.

- It was what to wrap the ankle with. It's like if you were wrapping your ankle, you would wrap it with this material, and we would, oh, like, not like an ace, but the thing that's like it adhesives to itself in a way.

- Yes, but it's foamy, yes, but not, but yes, so we would make headbands out of it. - It's like what they give you when you give blood. They like wrap it around your arm. - What's that to you?

- I can't really give blood. I'm like constantly. - Oh my god, that's still a rule. - I think so, I think so, but I'll give blood if they want it. I mean, I'll do it.

I always just-- - You guys want it.

(laughing) - Oh, they want it. They're calling me every other day. I've had to block the red cross. I'm like, I'm giving on a regular schedule.

- What? - I'm like, stop, I'm giving on a regular schedule. Stop calling me. They call me the two days after I've given. I'm like, that's actually against a medical advice.

What? Okay, well, so yesterday, I went drinking at like happy hour. And then on switching bars, we stopped at one of my favorite, little trinkets stores, little gift stores, little pop culture, little sticker stores.

I go in, I get a bunch of stickers, and the woman working goes, wow, you got all the new ones. I go honey, I'm a regular, I come a regular. She goes, yeah, you grabbed every single new one. I know what I'm doing here.

So it was like an exciting day. And I came back today to get more. Did I get an Olivia Benson? I sure did. Olivia Benson's sticker.

Oh, that's a good one. Miley Cyrus's sticker. Taylor Swift, oh my god, about two, I'm sick. Okay, a death becomes her sticker. Wait, do I have that sticker?

I think I have that. Well, I'm sure I gave it to you. But it's smaller, it's smaller size than that. Yeah, yeah. And then this is the, this is look.

It looks like little training cards. It's in an Olivia sports cards, well, I bought a few, so yeah, and then it's them in their turtlenecks or turtleneck outfits, so pretty exciting, pretty exciting on the sticker store. But then I went today and I showed, I was like, you like you to rivalry. She said, yeah, as I showed her my Simpsons thing, she said she's going to spread it through.

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Have you been dipping in to, I will tell you one of two controversies I've been following with on the internet. I can't wait. One is the Lindy West stuff. Have you heard any of this? Yes, I've had two friends actually.

It's actually Hamilton of good noticing is going girl. I need your input immediately. I just got the text in, Julia read an article about, I mean, we're looking. I'm not going to read it. I heard bats, I heard upsetting things.

Yeah, I heard upsetting things. Let me know. Well, it was interesting to me because, and I'm sorry you couldn't see the stickers guys. I only showed Kara, it is what it is. They're exactly what you imagine.

They're the stickers that you're imagining. Like, you know, they are. I mean, those, they're like little trading cards ones are really cute. Like, but yeah, so, so I like have read Lindy for a long time.

Like, not her books, but I would always read her Jezebel and I really liked Schrill.

And that, you know, her TV show that's based on her book. And to me as a stand-up, she was always annoying because she like went after a few people for jokes that she, it wasn't good points.

“I remember on come out Bell show who I think's annoying too, but like they were arguing”

about stuff. The joke, she had an issue with bothered me, but maybe they're about the same. Like, I remember being annoyed by her. Yeah. So the just of it for anyone that doesn't know what we're talking about is like, she's this like,

blogger who was like very popular in like the arts and attention. The Jezebel years. The Jezebel years, like big feminist blogger wrote the book, Schrill, that was made into a TV show with 80 Brian on Hulu, then she's wrote written this other book. So what happened essentially was her husband cheated on her and then when she found out,

he basically was like, oh, I need to be poly and I told you that when we first got together.

Like I told you that that I want to be poly, but then he just went ahead and cheated. Like being poly is not just going, but I told you while I was interested in being poly. So I can just kind of enact the poly as I'm whenever I want. That's not really how it works. So then she eventually, so he was like, so this is my girlfriend now either take it or leave

it essentially and then she eventually ends it up and I'm paraphrasing guys, like I'm not like the historian on this issue. She eventually got in touch with the girl and then they started, they basically started a throbble. Like they so now they're in a throbble. And what people, they wrote this book together, or he wrote this book, she wrote this book and he's like, I'm very instrumental in the book.

I'm very important to the book. Like I helped her the whole way and it's like, but then you didn't see that this was, the backlash was going to come from this that people think that you're a piece of shit, because you cheated on her and then you kind of like held her hostage in the marriage to do poly with you.

Like, or that people, he basically says that if you're, I think he says anyway,

they went, a podcast referenced the book and said some stuff about him, but I guess was pretty fair and was just kind of like giving their honest opinion. And he wrote her a really shitty email telling her I'll fucked up it was that she wrote all this bad stuff about him. And like obviously she said, because people don't like what happened because it doesn't seem like. And she read the email on the podcast.

Oh, whoa.

“Which, that's what, that's what intrigued me was like, like getting people into your podcast via gossip.”

Like, you know what I mean? Like, it was like, they basically said, we got an email from this guy after this interview. If you want to hear it, it's on this week's episode. And so everybody was like racing to the episode to listen and to read the, to hear the shitty email that this guy wrote. Do you like, what is, who was it? It's called I see why am I or in case you missed it.

Slates podcast about internet culture. Okay. And so what, the way did you listen? Did you know the email? What is the email? I can read the email. Yeah, my friend just said it didn't seem like she really wanted this.

And that it seems a little desperate or like sad to stay in a thing that you're forced into that you weren't into. And like, that even the social media posts that he does of the girlfriend, verse how he treats Lindy seems different. Like, I don't want to speak on just hear. He also like really centers himself.

Like he talks about how like the book he was so instrumental in the book being written. Like he makes it about him. Like this man is a jazz musician. Like, I don't think he makes, like, I'm just saying, like, I don't think he, This I think Lindy is his provider like and then he asked to bring in and like this other person like I'm not against poly I have friends that are but like it's totally fine. I'm against it. I'm against it. You're gonna make it on the record that I'm I'm very against it personally. I

It's like okay, you don't like what the name what the word represents, but like to me and you're a loser and we're thinking of a particular person

“I know we are and I think he's a loser and I think he should stay home with his wife and child. Okay, and not be going on dates with random people. It's sickens me. I don't know what to tell you”

Listen, well, there's open and then there's poly right like so what is it? Because, oh, very into open because that's cool people. That's cool. Yeah, open is cool. Yeah, yeah. Poly is you're playing like weird little games. You're playing settlers of Katan. You're at a little you're having chitilatees and you're doing weird sex. Like I don't. I'm not interested. But I also know this other couple. They're always having three sums and the girl seems really upset about it. I'm like, I don't think this is like what your life should be.

“You don't she's like yeah, the girl was so hot. I hated her. I'm like, that's crazy that that's her sex. Yeah, like you should also be like, oh, she's hot. Let's fuck.”

Like, like cool people fuck each other. Poly people need rules and discussions and Greek mythology brought in. Like, I don't get it.

Yeah, right me a day. Give me a one star. I don't give a fuck, but I mean, like, I'm open. You should have the right to do whatever you want. Okay, yeah, you can do whatever you want. Yeah, I don't think it's criminal. I'll support. I will. I will die for your right to be able to be poly. Oh, my God. Anyway, I'm holding my my all of my my stickers. Yeah, I'm working. I see my favorite stickers calling these people losers, but I don't know. Um, basically he's mad that people are like boiling him down to a cheater and like, I mean, I think in one forum, he said that like, if you're anti poly your racist or something like that, he's been saying wild shit and his sister. I didn't realize is the woman who wrote.

So you want to talk about race that book that like was very popular like around the pandemic like 2020. Okay. Anyway, I think it's like you can do whatever you want. I think that people directly feel that this man is like has narcissistic tendencies and sort of Backdoor guilted his wife into getting into a poly relationship, and now they're all kind of trying to present that they're happy in it. I just think it's wild that nobody along the whole process of writing a book, which as I can understand it from friends with written books is a long process with drafts and editors and a lot of people weighing in and nobody was like,

“This is going to come off really bad. Like nobody, they are actually. I don't know. I don't know the covers weird. I'm just, I don't know. I, I don't know.”

But that, that's how I feel right about talking about a thing. I have no nothing about, but I guess I found a way to deal with it. Well, it was a little bit of, it was a little bit of, um, of gossip on the internet that it's been taking over my life, but then also the chapel road stuff seems to be like really blowing up about the soccer player and Jude laws daughter.

It's not Jude law. It's Jude laws daughter. I thought it was a soccer guy. It's soccer guy stepped daughter. He's dating Jude laws ex the girl. The little kid is Jude laws daughter.

I don't know if Jude has entered the chat. I like don't know actually of Jude is waiting at all. No, but this I saw one video where it's a listen. I saw a chapel road like shovel woman on a carpet that like worked for her like a PR woman like a young black woman. Like I saw the video of her shove and that's when I was like, I don't really like you're like, I don't like you're shoving a person. You know, she's Jen's, she, whatever. She annoys me in whatever ways, but someone was like, no one from the Epstein list is a band. The mayor's like you'll never come here again. It's like everyone's a rapist.

Yeah, every man in athlete, like go fuck yourself. Same with like the bachelor at stuff. It's like, okay, she can't have a show of course with domestic violence is serious, but it's like, all athletes beat their fucking wives like fuck you. Like I will never think a woman is worse than a man ever. Men are worse. And so it's the Catherine Heigel who ended up being mega and weird. Like I don't. I think chapel rooms annoying. I don't know what's going to happen with her is she the most annoying. Was it security? I don't know. I don't know, but I just would rather hate on like men. I. Yeah, that's important to me. No, she had a lot on his wife and fucked an Annie. That's he should be banned from Brazil. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I mean, it's so true. Everybody's been saying that they're like, wow, like Taylor, Frankie Paul is getting all, I'll be honest. Don't have to be famous. Someone I saw this online and we're like, if Taylor wants to be seen, she's seen. She doesn't want to be seen. Guess what. We don't see her. Yeah. So it's like chapel. You don't want to be famous. You don't have to do the red carpet. Right. Julia Roberts doesn't do the carpet. People don't do the carpet. So like, if you don't want to be famous, babe, you can enter through the back.

Yeah, look at see us. He is there behind that wig. Get a get into it. So I don't like you don't get to screw. Oh, look, everyone's taping. It's like you're going to a hotspot dinner. Pop or artsy are there. And if you don't want that, go order in bitch. You're rich. You're rich. Hi, you're a chef.

Yeah, it's getting to a point where it's like we're we're hearing more about your need for privacy than we are about your archaistry.

“I love that it's due to the law's daughter. Honestly, where's the bingo cards? Like, I mean, it's so crazy.”

I always, oh, my dad looks like, dude, like, my dad, young, look like, do that. Oh, really? He was a hotty.

We'll get some photos on the gram. I also was also chapel was in the, I'm sorry, it was in the Hannah Montana special that I watch last night at three in the morning. Really. Yeah, they have a sit down and Alex Cooper does the interview. I mean, it was hard for me in a lot of ways, but I loved it. I missed Hannah Montana. I was just a little bit too old. I was like, I missed it. I did too. I came in for bangers, but I love her. I love her. So, of course, you know, I know you're my way through it.

My lesions for one. So today, it was so hard to get up.

I didn't want you, but I was up and I go, just get to soul cycle, get to the lead shop, get to soul cycle. You could do it.

“And the only thing keeping me through is Rachel loves my Lee, and I go, she's going to play Hannah Montana. It's the my Lee day. I show up. I go, girl, my Lee or what, because there's no my Lee on the playlist. I go, are you on your mind?”

I go to the special came out last night. I go, what do you think I'm here for? And she did put one in for me. Thank you so much. Rachel, shout out.

Thank you for changing your plans, Rachel. Thank you.

She wrote you a kiss and die since that she's like, but listen, she made a mistake. I at least she took accountability. She owned up to it. Wait, I know you are not really like a Mormon wife's person, but I have been that like what back to what you were saying before, this is like really crazy that the Bachelor at I'm like confused about what's happening with the Bachelor at because they hired her knowing that she had this domestic violence incident that she pled guilty to in 2023.

“They hired her knowing that. And then it was like he leaked the video this man. I mean, she's guilty of her things. He is I think toxic and shitty as hell this man Dakota, but he leaked this video to TMZ and now the show gets lost.”

I don't get it. Like, why is ABC acting like they didn't know some people are saying the show never happened. It's all pressed. Some people are like they're losing $100 million. Like everyone has like all these theories. I'm just so out of the universe that I you know, I saw the video. It's horrific, but like also the guys that were in it. Like it is just it's all weird choices, but it's really weird also that this guy just sat on that video for two years, just kept it. He's been on the TV show. He's done scenes with her. He's you know, like he's been doing life with and then waited until she was about to have a huge moment and released it. Like that's

But also I heard there's like a new incident, but they need to just say they need to be like fully not allowed to be near each other. But ABC acting like they didn't know what was up is so weird to me. But everybody's like this is millions of dollars in loss revenue and loss like expenses. So I don't get it. I think they're going to release it. I think they're going to wait for this to dial down and release it. Also, one of the contestants on the bachelor might want one of our friends wrote this to be in a text thread goes, um, also did you guys know that one of the contestants on the bachelor is the guy who was in the car accident with Madison caught the horn who is a Republican Congress person who's paralyzed from the waistown and I was like, I'm sorry. What like are you like I was like, we what is where are we living in one of the recent contestants on the bachelor at was in a car with a

Congressman when he was paralyzed. He fell asleep at the wheel. He was 17. He was driving the bachelor contestant and the guy the congressman had his feet up on the dashboard. And they got into a car accident. And that's why he got paralyzed. And at first he said that his friend left him there to die in a fiery inferno, but then he walked that back and now their friends and now the bachelor guy was at his inauguration party. Although that guy's like not even in congress anymore. I don't think. Wow, we're starting the episode. This is a to be. We got to start. This was a really juicy kind of gossipy intro that's not going to be in trouble. We had to shout out to everybody who's been telling me that ProVigil is an actual drug. Thank you. I have received your messages and I stand corrected. I really didn't even look it up. It just sounded too made up to me. Like so I thought it was fake, but it is a drug. I guess for ADHD and narcolepsy. So

Gay to that also you guys can go to that's my sub live dot com for merch. We've got our Lewis Lewis Lewis Lewis Lewis shirt on sale. I love it. Somebody took such a cool picture in St. Louis with it. I posted it in our stories. But I love that people from St. Louis are wearing that shirt too because, you know, we're happy to multipurpose. Also, we're having fun on someone in Vermont and their mom's name is Lewis. And I was told that people are fucking up her name left right in center. So I'm not a shirt. I'm not a shirt for Christmas. Yeah.

Yeah, we got to get moving. That's got to get moving. I got stickers to organize.

“Okay, we're doing great expectations season 18 episode 11.”

I wonder why we picked this one. I wonder why we picked this one. I wonder why we picked this one. This has a little bit. This is in the zeitgeist with Casey actually helped shepherd this one to our attention. It's a little bit about about the hockey world.

So we open in a hockey rink and young team players are just slapping that puck around parents are in the stands cheering, but also looking angry and stressed. I just

I'm having a hard time putting myself into a like caring that hard, whether your kids like like game like they win their game, but I think that's why I'm not destined to be a sport parent, but Rosie is about to start baseball. So we'll see what happens. Okay, so these teams are slapping the puck and Kyle, we hear kids going, go Kyle, go Kyle and Kyle's heading for the goal. He passes to his teammate Jack, who sadly does not score. He booths it. Everyone looks bombed. The moms in the stands are like great. Now he's going to be upset and the other mom is like, no, we win as a team. We lose as a team and the dads are acting like, you know, all their happiness lives and dies with p. We hockey or whatever the fuck this is.

“And the actor playing one of the dads is known to me. He was the dad in the killing, which I was like a big fan of I watched like two both seasons of the killing or maybe there were three of them the only two.”

Which was like a true crime show, a not a true crime show like a crime show in Seattle or like coastal Washington. It was just so rainy the whole time. But we loved it. And we think that this actor looks like our friend Sean Donnelly who's a comedian had a baby with Louis C. K. So whenever I see him, I refer to this

Man as Sean he's C. K. So Sean he C. K's real name is Brent Sexton and this man is working. He has a hundred credits. He's been on boss. He's been on deadwood. You have seen him. He is out there.

And he is talking shit about the kid who missed the shot and his own son Kyle like Kyle shouldn't have passed. He should have taken the shot. And as the team gets off the ice, the dads all like change their tune and they're all like, yeah, go white caps. You guys got it. But Kyle and Jack look devastated. Okay. They look like, you know, you just killed their mom in front of them. So in the locker room, the coach is like very uninspiring and flat. He's pissed. He's like, I'm not going to say anything else about the game. You know what you got to do, practice smart and come ready to work.

And after the coach leaves, two kids get up and start screaming at Jake for missing the shot. They're like, what the fuck man you choked. There and then Kyle breaks in to tell them to chill out. And Jack looks bummed and sad. You know, like, but Kyle is like, leave Malone stop. So we're thinking, oh, Kyle started the team. Nice kid. But now Jack is leaving the ring with his mom and his hockey bag that he looks like he could fit two of him in like it's twice his size and it's like skiing, but 10 times worse. Like so much equipment. And it's smelly because you're just like in I honestly, I think if your kids a hockey kid, you're being punished for sins from your past.

“Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah, because ranks are only open super early. Like baseball diamonds. You can get to those at lots of different times of the day. You know, like ranks. You have to be like, it always feels like hockey so early in the morning.”

The shit smells because you can't just throw that stuff in the wash. Like you can like baseball pants or like whatever, you know, it's like equipment. But I'm pro equipment. I don't want anyone getting a concussion. Anyway. So so much work. Yeah, it's a lot so I mean, that's why I do stand up. You need nothing. Yes, it needs nothing. If they even if all your luggage gets lost and you look truly insane, you could still do it. Get up there. Even if there's no mic, which I hate when there's no mic, you can still do it.

No, Alex. Yeah, you could really do whatever. Like I the idea of having a tune and instrument and then do a soundtrack and a rehearsal. I can't. Well, I mean, we do do sound checks for our live shows. It's just I do them. Okay. So Jack is like walking with this massive bag and his mom's like, God, you move like molasses. You're always the last one out. She's like, it's like, Mom, relax. The kid just like fucked the game kind of. Not that I agree with that. I think like I've always heard. I think I said it on this podcast before everybody's like, for it to get well, no, I guess that's why you don't blame the goalie for letting a goal in because it's like for it to get to the goalie. It had to get through all of you first, right?

But if you miss a shot, that's just you missing a shot, I guess. But you know, you miss a hundred percent of their shots. You don't take as they say later in the sense of since I've been reading some hockey books. I will say that in a time to shine. It's about like goal a goalie and like he saved 40 and two and in like 40 shots. He saved, right? Yeah. That's a lot. So it's like, even if you let two and it's like so impossible to do a full shot out.

You don't blame people all for what? Like there's just like really great lessons to learn in sports and these dads shouldn't be there. I think loose dads shouldn't coach stuff is merch to be honest. Okay. So Jack is like limping a little and the mom is like, did you get hurt? Like in the game and he's like, I'm okay. And then he just fully collapses on top of his hockey bag on the ground. And the mom is going to help him and she notices blood on the seat of his pants. Like and she's like, where is that coming from? And you know, it's SVU. So we know, no, we're good. At the hospital, Carisi is filling in Benson that this kid is Jack Wilson. He's 13. He plays for the New York City white caps and Benson's like, what the fuck is that?

And he's like, it's the best use hockey program in the state. And that the doc says that Jack has tearing in his rectum caused by a blunt instrument like a hockey stick. So Carisi goes sounds like a hazing and Benson goes, no, that sounds like sexual assault. Like we got to start stop calling things, you know, sounds like a date going wrong. Sounds like a hazing like, no, it's sexual assault. Like somebody assaulted someone's body.

So then it's credits. And now we're at Jack's hospital bedside. And he's trying to downplay what happened. And his mom uses his first middle and last name and demands. He tells the cops who did this.

And Benson's like, mom, back off. Like, let me work by magic. I'm Olivia Benson. And she's like, Jack, like, tells what happened. And he's very, I don't know. I don't remember. I just fell, you know, like, lies, lies out the wazoo. And Carisi hears him out, but then kind of like, or Carisi's like, okay, okay. So what, you, you're telling me you got this injury from falling on the ice, the lead to rectal trauma. Like, you know, he doesn't say it like that. But it's like he's basically telling him, like, I'm listening to you, but we got to be realistic here.

“And Benson's like trying to be so gentle. She's like, you know, if you want to talk later, that's okay. We could talk later. And then suddenly Jack's data arrives. And the mom lays in him immediately. Like, he just had to be on the white caps, huh?”

Like, and Benson brings the bigger sins outside. And they keep it up. And the mom's like, I never even really want to jack on this team. And the dad's like, I was a white cap, when I was a kid, he loves it. And then he takes a dick at the cops being like, well, he doesn't need two cops hanging around and Carisi's like, your son was sexually assaulted. And the dad's like, no, the doc said he's going to be fine. It was a prank gone too far. It's like, who sees their son bleeding in the hospital from his erectum and says this is a prank gone too far.

Like, I don't know. I mean, unless you were like trying it, unless you did it to himself. But they don't have a jackass son, did you see the like hazing photo or video that was very weapons coded that came out like a month or two ago? No. It was just like, I think it was an Iowa, but it was like all these frat bros just staying in a corner Blair, which we heard. And it's like, yeah, like frats like hazy guys. And then put them into submission so they continue protecting each other forever. - Yeah. - You know, it's like, they have these secrets

and weird things like, dude, guys just need to fuck each other,

so we don't have to live in this nightmare. Like, it's just like, you're paddling. Like, I don't know, what are you, you're raping this boy?

“Like, you're telling, like, yeah, I can't, yeah, I can't.”

- It's like how they say in Scientology, they do your audit and then they keep it, that they, so they, they can like keep you in. Like, frat hazing is like, it's like, yeah, you can leave the fratter. You can tell on us for doing something bad,

but we have photos of you like naked, eating mayonnaise on all fours. Like, when I was in college, all the frat stuff that I heard about a hat, go to the chat, go, go there, look, everything at my college for hazing

“that I ever heard about was food related.”

It was always like, you've got to eat like a bat of mayonnaise.

You've got to eat all this nasty shit. And it was, okay, wait, oh, I don't like this. That ain't no, it's so wet. - So wet, yeah. - But I've partyed in basements that look just like that, and I feel really gross right now, okay.

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he was like, it's just a prank, Kyle and his dad, Shawnee C.K./Jim, the dad's name is Jim. They walk up and we find out that Kyle is the star of the team

“and Benson's like, did you see anything in the locker room?”

He goes, "No, it was quiet. Everyone got dressed and went home." And he also says, "He also says no one gave Kyle a hard time about the shot, they're a team. We win or lose, we stick together."

but people did give him a hard time.

“You could just say people were like saying some shit to him,”

but I guess he didn't want to give his suspicion on anyone else. And Benson goes to give Kyle her card. This is like such a subtle moment that I just happened to notice. Benson goes to give Kyle her card and the dad grabs it and Benson kind of clocks it and makes this really subtle,

like, what's your deal kind of face? So the dad's like, "Let's get you into C Jack. He'll be so stoked to see his best friend," right? That's what Jack's dad is saying. So Benson says, "Someone had to have seen something

in that locker room." So now, she sends the gang over. So at Hudson Sports Complex, at Hudson River Peers, which is just like, exactly Chelsea Peers, where they shoot this show.

Rollins and Finn are talking to the coach. And he's like, this could have been someone from another team, or it could have been a whitecaps player from a different division. There are 10 different divisions of whitecaps separated

by age and skill level. And the coach thinks that none of his kids would do something like this that's so stupid and jeopardize the big championship that they have coming up.

Like, they always make it to states and they wouldn't do this.

“And they're like, "Any trouble makers on the team?"”

And he goes, "They're all trouble makers. They're 13 year old boys." And then Finn presses on him a little bit more. He knocks out these two kids, Timmy Brown and Will Harris. The boys call them the bash brothers

because they get rough. But they wouldn't do something like this. It's a violation of their contract, which is a code of ethics that they all signed. And it couldn't have been a whitecaps.

So, all right. Back at the precinct, Liv comes in asking, "Where we at with these bang brothers?" Which I thought was funny, because it's the bash brothers. And Finn goes, like, McGuire and Conceico,

and then Corise goes, "No, like, read importmen, silence." And he goes, "Mighty ducks, too." Nobody, like no one's picking up on his mighty ducks, too, reference. And then the kids, he goes, "These kids have no record.

They sign the contract." And then Rollins Pipes in, like, "Oh, I got something from the ring security footage." And it shows two boys leaving the locker room, like, hall and ass out of there.

And one has number 26 and one has number nine, and then 10 seconds later, Jack comes out. And number 26 and number nine are Timmy and Will. AKA the bash brothers, AKA the bang brothers. And so she's like, "Bring them in."

She goes, "This wasn't a couple kids playing grab-ass. We need answers." So, like, that will be okay. What'd you say? Yeah.

We're talking to Will Harris now, and he's with his mom, and he's telling him, "Look, I don't talk to people after games. After we lose on get pissed, I don't speak. We left early, I left early."

And then they show him the footage, and he's like, "That's not me, and they're like, "Your numbers right there." And they're like, "That's your number spill right now." So we cut to Timmy with his dad, talking to Chrissy,

and he's like, "We only stayed to make sure Jack was okay." And then Timmy goes, "It wasn't our idea." Like, "We held Jack down, but he made us do it." He went crazy.

I've never seen him like that before.

He was like an animal, and they're like, "You keep saying he, who is he?" And then we cut to the knock-knock on the front door of a house, and done, it's Kyle Turner opening the door. So, Shawnee C.K. Sun, the star of the White Caps,

and Jack's best friend, what's happening? Kyle's mom and his older brother Adam, and younger brother Mark are there, and they tell the mom Helen that they need to talk to Kyle, and they need all of his hockey sticks.

He's under investigation for assaulting his teammate, and she looks at Kyle and Kyle looks like, "What, like confused and clueless?" And that's the end of Act One. I gotta tell you something crazy.

Okay. - This actress, Helen. Okay, the woman who's playing Helen the mom, her name is Amy Spanger, who get this, was Mary de Michael C. Hall for four years. Before, he was married to Deb,

aka Jennifer Carpenter, who I just found out is currently married to one of the Abbott Brothers, which is, or Abbott Brothers, they're like a pretty famous, like Bluegrass duo, that I have a lot of friends who listen to them.

And she, Amy is like a Broadway musical girlie, and after they got married, he was, oh shit, Billy Flynn, and she was Roxy, they were an opposite each other, and Chicago together, after they were married. But the marriage was only four years.

And she's also been in another SVU called PTSD,

“but I don't remember that episode perfectly right now.”

And I write in my notes, I'm sure she's a beautiful woman in real life. They make up department is working hard to make her look haggard in this episode, right? Like they're really like, they make her look very tired,

very like, like life's been hard for her. She's been hard. - Life's been hard. Yeah, she's like up at the rink, and there's been issues for her for sure, like she's not. I don't think we see her smile.

So anyway, interesting little factoid about her being married to Michael Seahaw, and then he married to Michael Seahaw. - Because I knew the Michael Seahaw story 'cause he loves to end up with a co-star,

but I didn't realize it was this woman, right? - Yeah. - So that's pretty exciting. - Yeah, so in cement room bars at the top of back too, Kyle's mom is like sexual assault, not my Kyle classic. Benson's like, "Well, we have witnesses that say Kyle

"was the main aggressor." And then Carrecy's like, "Let me talk to Kyle. "Let's talk hockey guy to hockey guy."

You're number 99, and he's like, yeah,

like hockey's the best sport ever,

“like he's beaming ear to ear while he's in a full”

bar's holding cell, like interrogation room, and he's like, "What if you hold hockey life just one way?" And he's like, "What are you talking about?" And he goes, "This is a violation of your contract." And Helen is like, "You can't kick him off the team

"and it's like, bitch, do you even realize "that this is like a crime, the team?" And then she's like, "We could do worse, "we could throw his ass in jail." And Kyle's like, "I might lose hockey, no way."

And then outside Jim Turner arrives, and the dad, and he's like, "Roll and agreed to me." He's like, "Where's my son?" And they're like, you know, and he's like, "I want to take Kyle home."

And she's like, "Well, we already got your wife's consent "to talk to him." And you see this guy, he's like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no." Like, "I decide what happens with my son, me."

Like, "My wife cannot give consent

"for anything my son does." Like, "I'm the boss," right? So we're getting, you know, SV's lay in the breadcrumbs. And Benson arrives, and Jim is like, "I don't care what my wife said to you."

Kyle is not talking to you. He's got too much to lose.

“And they're like, "Well, we have two witnesses”

"that saw him assault his teammate "and he goes, "I don't care if you have 200 witnesses. "You got the wrong kid." And Jim threatens to call lawyer and Ben's to go, "You know what, that's okay.

"We'll get your son right now for you." And Rollins is like, "We're gonna just like, "Turn this kid loose." And Benson goes, "Well, the lab tested all the hockey sticks. "I love how fast all the testing happens on the show."

The kid has been in the custody for two hours. And they're like, "The labs are already back. "No DNA on any of the hockey sticks. "They got nothing to go on." So he must have ditched the stick that he used to do the assault.

So she wants Finn and Rollins to get the truth out of Jack

first thing the next day.

So now, talking to Jack, telling them, you know, Rollins does her thing, she kind of bluffs. She goes, "We already know like the person "that did it, already told us like what happened. "And they kind of trick Jack into saying that it was Kyle.

"And the parents are gagged, goofed, and got smacked." Like, they cannot believe it. They're like, "Kyle, his best friend." Dad says, "Forgot about the team, just tell them."

“And then Jack said, "I'd never seen him like that before."”

And then Rollins is like, "Who?" And he's like, "Kyle." So they get the confirmation that they need. And he's like, he was like a whole other person. And then Timmy and Will grabbed me.

I couldn't move her fight back. Kyle looked at him. Like, all crazy with a stick in his hand. And then he said, and then it was over. So it's pretty fucking traumatic to see your best friend,

not only assault you out of nowhere, but like undergo what seems like a wearable transformation and just become like a totally crazy, crazed person. And the mom doesn't get it. She's like, Kyle came to visit Jack in the hospital.

Like, what the hell? Like, that's diabolical. And then they tell Jack, "Well, we're gonna have to go arrest Kyle." And he's like, "Okay, well tell him I know he didn't mean it." Like he was, he's still like trying to protect his friend.

It's like really sad. And then at Kyle's house, Carisi and Benson come a knock-in and older brother Adam opens the door. And he's like, "Well, my parents aren't home. Kyle got hurt during practice.

They're at the hospital." At the practice, the cops roll up on the turners and tell them that they're there to arrest Kyle. Jim doesn't let his wife talk. She tries to stay his up there and he's like, "Shit your mouth."

And tells the cops, like, "Don't you realize what's going on?" He or Kyle may have broken his wrist. Acting like that's the tragedy of the century while another child sits traumatized and bleeding at another hospital across town.

And he's like, "Well, he heard it at hockey practice. Like we have a lot going on right now this man." Like classic, just such a narcissist. And Benson is like, "You don't have to talk to us, but we are gonna arrest your son."

So deal with that. Benson and Carisi then go talk to the doctor who says that the injury suggests someone twisting his wrist violently and Carisi's like, "So not like a hockey injury and the doctor's like, "Well, it could be."

I mean, it's not likely, but it's possible." And then the doctor's like, "I can't tell you any medical files unless you have a subpoena." But Benson's like, "Yeah, but you are a mandated reporter." So are there injuries consistent

with long-term abuse and he's like, "Yeah, there are like old fractures, like old spinal spiral fractures, like, that are consistent with someone who's been abused." So now Benson and Carisi go see Kyle. His arm is in a sling.

They tell him they got to bring him to the precinct for questioning. He gets really worked out by what my dad. I got to talk to my dad and Carisi's like, "What happened to your wrist?" He goes, "I fell at practice."

Like he, and then he goes, "But it wasn't really practice. It was just me and my dad." So what they were just doing one-on-one practice and then the dad, but my dad didn't see it. My dad didn't see it happen.

So it's like, it's all lies, right? Like that of this seems real. Carisi is like, "Listen little buddy, we think you're lying." And the doc says that you have old injuries that seem like you've been abused.

Kyle's getting very shifty, very nervous. He says, "No one's hurting me, just fell." Benson is like kneeling down, smiling at this kid with her beautiful face and going, "You could go to prison for what you did to you."

Like she's like, "I was like, "God, she looks so pretty. "She's like bending down and like, let me get like on your level."

And he's like, "I thought only adults could go to prison." And Benson's like, "Nope, kids can go to."

“And then he's like, "You have to tell us”

if someone threatened you or made you do this." And his parents walk in, obviously, right at that moment and say, "You don't have our consent to talk to him." And they're like, "Well, guess what, babe? "We do not need your consent right now

"because right now we're talking to Kyle as a victim, "not as a perpetrator." And Kyle's like, "I told him I fell to the dad. "He doesn't want to piss his dad off." Benson's like, "You guys have two choices."

"I arrest Kyle right now." Or we all go down to the precinct and talk this out along with your other two sons. And Jim's like, "Great, let's talk this through. "Let's get to the bottom of it."

We got nothing to hide. And the mom looks nervous, but she's like, you know, she's trying to be like, "Right, yes, go team. "We are all going to be at the precinct "telling the absolute truth."

But, you know, we're getting the vibe that something is very fucked in this family. So now, Finn is talking to Adam, the older brother. And like, "Oh, you and your brother fight." He's like, "Yeah, I mean, sometimes,

"but like, we're super close."

Like, I would never heard a more best friends.

We look out for each other, always have always will. And now, we're talking to the mom, Amy Spanger, Helen. And Rollins is like, "Does Jim ever get rough with Kyle?" And she goes, "No, that's not something that happens in our house."

And then, the medical records tell a different story. And then, she just looks at Rollins. Like, she has, like, she's speechless. And Rollins is like, "You don't get it." Like, "Your son's crime is serious.

"If he gets convicted, he will go to prison." And she's like, "But he's only a boy." And Rollins is like, "Yeah, so we want to give the prosecutor "a reason to help Kyle." So we need your help to do that.

Tell us what's going on between Kyle and his dad. And at least do it for Mark, like, the little brother. Like, and they look through the, you know, the fishbowl glass and the little mark is just like coloring or whatever.

The next, the next in line. Creasy is now in cement room bars with Kyle, telling this eighth grader that he's going to prison. And then he's like, "Unless you tell us who hurt your wrist." And he's like, "I can't."

I love my daddy's just helping me become a better player and Creasy's like, "It won't matter "when you're behind bars, little guy." And now the dad, Jim is in cement room bars with Rollins. And he's like, "This is a misunderstanding.

"How do we make it go away?" And Rollins is like, "Oh, we don't. "We might be able to make his punishment less severe." And he's like, "Oh, how do we do that?" He goes, "If you admit to abusing him."

And he's like, "Excuse me?" And he's like, "Last," he's like, "My parenting style might be old school,

"but it's never physical."

And he's like, "I want to be great at hockey. "I know how to get him there." I came close to being pro myself. And there's just so many failed dads on the show. It's this is exactly the same mentality

of the dad of Elsa's dad from Hot House. Like, I was almost pro. I can make you good. Like, you know, it's like, they're just guys that never got their fucking shot

being like, "Now's my second chance through a kid," right? It's sadness. Anyway. And so Rollins is like, "Okay, so how do you explain all these injuries in gyms?"

Like, "Uh, he's a hockey player, he gets hurt, "but he plays through the pain, "not complaining like his pansy friends." And then it sounds like a really great dad. And Benson on the other side of the glass

with Finn is like, "This family's not talking. "Like, it's pretty clear." So they arrest Kyle. And Jim is like blaming political correctness. He's like, "You guys with this PC crap.

"Like, it's PC." He's in a hospital. Yeah, it's PC to be like, don't sexually assault another child with a hockey stick. Like, "You guys are so woke."

And they're like, "He's like, "They were just kids screwing around." Kyle will be a reigned in family court later this afternoon, they tell him. So then, later, Carisi tells Rollins

that Kyle was released into his parents' custody. And a lawyer at Corporation Council, which is Pippa, as we remember.

“That's what they call like these family court type of prosecutors,”

is getting pressure from upstairs to try Kyle as an adult. And Rollins is like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. "I thought we were just dangling that to traumatize them "and get 'em to talk," he's just a kid. He's not like really gonna go to jail.

And Carisi's like, "Yeah, I mean, "they want to make an example of him "because of increase in hazing as it ends." So like, you know, send this kid to jail, send a message like you want to fuck around

and what you think is an innocent hazing. You could go to jail, too. So Rollins is like, "Well, the moms that fall too." Like, she just stands there and lets you talk to them. "That's sick, Rollins."

"That's sick, Rollins." If there's a way to blame a woman, Rollins will figure it out. It at least sees in 15 to 18. I think she figure things out a little bit later.

But so she's like basically telling Carisi like,

I think she's just as abusive as the dad because she just stands there and lets it happen. And Carisi's like, "I hear what you're saying "but it's not that simple." And Rollins is like, "Yeah, it is."

If someone fucks with Jesse, I kill them. Like basically, and Carisi's like, "You don't think this woman is a victim too, maybe?" You get it's not only physical abuse, right? But there's like shame tied up in this as well.

“And she says, "Yeah, but that's why bullies get away with it."”

But it's like, "Yeah, look at like El Salitch coughs mom "if we're going back to that example."

Like she had so much shame. Like she couldn't fight back. I'm sure he was hurting her as well. So luckily Carisi gets a phone call before he has to fully explain domestic violence to Rollins so that they stop their argument.

And he has to go meet Liv at the hospital. But not before Rollins, he tells Rollins, "You know, sometimes it's not as easy as you think to be a hero." So, really, leave her on that. At the hospital, a nurse tells them some sad news.

Jack died 20 minutes ago. They didn't have to do that.

“They did it, but I think they had to up the stakes.”

They didn't have to do that. I think, yeah, pretty fucked. Like I'm so sad thinking about that little kid, like, then see. And at the end of the day, all these dads are cowards

'cause they're letting their kids go to jail. 'Cause I'm thinking about what's his face and man up, man down. Oh, and Welsh? Yeah.

Like, you know, it's just like you're willing to let your kid fucking suffer for it, like you're a coward, actually. Yeah, well, in a narcissist, you're like, I was trying to make you a man if you can't handle it, then you need to take the punishment.

Like, I was just doing what I have to do as you're dad. Like, it's so fucking gross and dark. You had to rape your friend, like, sorry. Yeah. I hate him.

The dad, like, just so consistently lies the entire time. You got the wrong kid. This was just a joke.

Like, then even like, he never even is shocked

when confronted with his lies or when like the truth comes out. He's never even like, wait, what kind of. What'd you do? He's always like, nah, this was a joke. Like, how do we make it go away?

Like, I don't know, I hate this guy.

“Benson obviously gives one of her classic, like, sharp”

inhales that when they find out that Jack has passed. So now, Benson's talking to Jack's parents. They're like, he had a fever. They said he just needed fluids in antibiotics and that he was going to be okay.

Then his blood pressure dropped. They rushed him to the ICU. It was an infection. Oh, you're watching the pit, you know, the infections or the worst that the thing that can happen, you know,

sepsis you. This is so the dad's like, someone's got to pay for this. And they're like, well, don't worry. We're charging your eighth grade son's best friend with manslaughter.

That should cheer you up. And the dad goes, you can go ahead and charge Kyle, but his sixth son of a bitch dad is the one you should be going after. And Jim, he's like, Jim got into Kyle's head,

turned him into a bully, and he did that to the older one too, and Mark is next.

He's always berating him, pushing grabbing.

Like, he's basically saying, like, he didn't really see, like, major abuse, but like, with guys like that, he says you can just tell. I still think pushing and grabbing is abusive, but like, well, especially if you see it,

that means he's willing to do it in front of you and like, in public. So what do you think he's doing at home? Yeah, exactly. Like, grabbing him to talk to him like that.

It's like, that's, he probably thought that was enough

“to like call the cops, because honestly,”

I think if you do call the cops on something like that, they necessarily, like they'll be like, they'll really enough to do it. What? Well, they'll relate to the dad.

Yeah, be like, actually, you shouldn't make that shot. It's okay to touch your child on the shoulders while you tell them what to do, you know, like, and they'll be like, my kid does this all the time too, like, with Gabby Petito, my wife,

I just told her to take a shower. Anyway, they're telling,

so basically, Jack's parents

are like, he's just as responsible this guy, Jim. So now back at the precinct, they've got some new footage from a goalie's mom, okay? And it's this video of Jim like laying into Kyle. Like, like I said, holding him by the shoulders,

like talking to him like really, really aggressively, right after that game, and it seems like they're like, it seems like he's telling Kyle to give Jack a beat down. Although, like, you can't, you can't be sure what he's saying. They gotta get that lip reader girl from TikTok in there.

So they bring this to Kyle, and they're like, listen, pretty soon we're gonna get the audio on this from Teru, and so just tell us if your dad told you to hook her Jack, and he's like, he did it. And they're like, Kyle, Jack is dead.

Like someone has to pay, and then Adam, the older brother is there, and he's like, Jesus Christ, just tell them the truth. And the mom is like, Adam shut it. Everything is going to be okay, and pension is,

then sen is like, bitch, snap out of it. Everything is not going to be okay. That ship sailed when a kid died. Like, the mom is definitely traumatized. She's like, if you just keep saying everything is okay,

everything is okay, you know, like she cannot handle. What's going on? She does not know what to do. And they're like, tell your son to tell the truth, but as we've seen six times already in this episode,

right as maybe a kid is about to tell the truth, the dad bursts in, and everyone shuts the fuck up. So Kyle repeats, he didn't tell me to do anything, and Benson is like, okay, sweet, we'll see you in court. We're, Kyle is being charged with sexual assault,

and manslaughter as an adult. Kyle looks terrified, Jim tries to touch his wife, like around the, like, put his arm around her, and she's like, don't you even think about it? So that's the first time you kind of see the mom,

like, resist the dad a little bit. She, like, recoils when he tries to touch her. So now in family court, Kyle is pleading not guilty, and the judges in the midst of releasing Kyle into the custody of his parents,

So Benson and Finn follow Adam is pissed.

He's like, my brother's going to jail. Why aren't you guys trying to help him? Benson's like, babe, that's kind of all we're doing.

“And he's like, the only thing that will move the needle”

will be Kyle testifying that his dad told him to assault Jake, and little bro is like, he won't do it. My dad's got him all twisted up, and they're like, so help us change his mind. So later, we're at the precinct, it's nighttime at SVU,

and Carisi picks up the phone. He's like, all right, Mrs. Turner will be right over. So he grabs Rollins and he's like, Jim Turner just beat the shit out of his son Adam. Again, it's like, these men, the way they commit

more crimes, while they know that all eyes are on them, is so wild, it's like, but because they can't, you know, it's because they actually are so weak minded. Like, yeah, if you fall to violence like that, you're like, an idiot.

Yeah, truly.

At the turn of this boy looks fucked, fucked.

It's some of the worst injuries we've ever seen. It looks awful. It's like the eye is bubbling. Yes, the eye is like swollen shot, bubbling, bruised, blood all over his face, he's gasping for breath.

Like this actor does a great job with the breath stuff, 'cause usually it's just somebody lying there bloody quiet and he's like, ugh, like you can't breathe. And the mom is just standing over him. She's not like dabbing any of the blood away.

It's like, I know you don't touch somebody, like if they might have a spinal injury or whatever, but she's not even like holding his hand on the ground, like help is on the way. Like she's just standing there.

She's obviously traumatized and paralyzed, but I'm kind of like a kind word, baby. And she tells Carey see that Adam just kept pushing Jim's buttons, I couldn't stop it and Jim just ran out of there. So he's in the wind and they're like,

where's Mark luckily at her mother. So she knew enough to get her littleists guy out to another place. And Adam is like, well, you need it away. He's like talking through blood and swollen appendages,

going, you need a way to, you need it away to get Kyle to talk. This is it, any points to his phone, which is like on a credenza leaning against a candlestick and it looks like he recorded the entire thing.

So now, and I wrote, yes, Adam's face is fucked. And he tells his brother, stop protecting Dad. He doesn't deserve it and Kyle's there. And he's like, looks just like, looks upset and torn. Like this kid is fucking traumatized.

So now we're seeing the video of Adam baiting his dad into a fight. He's like, I'm not afraid of you. He calls him a loser. He calls him a coward.

And you know, that sets the dad right off. He punches him and when he's on the ground, he just starts stomping him. And the mom is screaming like the video is a lot. So even the short piece that they show us

and the sound of it, it's horrific. And so now, Rollins has to talk, they send Rollins into talk to the mom, even though she might not be the best person for that. And she's like trying to cover it.

And Rollins is, again, to the mom, like,

“how do you not get that your 13 year old son is going to prison?”

And then she's like, but if I tell Kyle to testify, Jim goes to jail. And that seems like it'll help everybody. Yeah, she's like, well, he broke Kyle's wrists and beat Adam to a bloody pulp.

So, and how it's like, well, he didn't mean to. He loves him. The boys love him. Like, they're a good, he's a good man. And then she just decides to fast.

She goes every day for the past five years, I wake up. And I say, I'm going to take the boys and I, and leave. And then every day, he buys my mom, her arthritis medication, or he mows my mom's lawn, or he tells me he loves me. And I say, this is a good man.

And then she goes, but then, and then Rollins goes, yeah, he changes and he gets abusive because that's also part of who he is. And she goes, it's just so hard to accept that you picked this man to spend your life with and have kids with. And you just try to fix it.

And Rollins is like, yeah, but it's not fixable. And Kyle is just a boy. You can fix him. Like, you can help him now before he grows up to beat his own children up.

“So first, you have to convince him to testify”

that his dad forced him to assault Jack. So now we're talking to Kyle with his mom and cement room bars. And they're shutting a laptop, like they just watch the video of the dad beating the shut out of his brother. As if he wasn't there in real life, like, just here's a refresher.

And he goes, Adam was right. He goes, my dad did tell me to assault Jack. He wanted Jack to know that he couldn't screw up anymore. He told me to use the stick. He said, that's how you're supposed to do it.

I didn't want to hurt Jack. He was my friend. But he also doesn't want to rat his dad out. He loves him. And Clarice goes into anecdote mode.

OK, he's like, well, I first saw Jack in the hospital.

I was upset and angry at who did it because Jack reminded me of me. I was the squone kid. The kid, the guy's the neighborhood would pick on me. The worst kid was Bobby Bianchi. One day, he shoved my face to throw up his glass window.

I'm not going to be able to listen. I can't listen. I can't do that. I just needed to get to Bobby Bianchi. I just had to get to that part.

So he's telling the story about how one time, a kid, a fucking bullying named Bobby Bianchi. Shut up, Clarice is a little-- and you know, Clarice is like a thin man now.

And this kid shoved his face through a play-class window.

“And then the principal asked Clarice, what happened?”

And he goes, I could have ended it. But I didn't. And he got away with it. And no one ever knew what happened. And you know, where Bobby Bianchi is now, in sing sing for sap, stab, and some poor

sap to death in a bar fight. And he goes, and now I just think, if I had said something, maybe that guy would still be alive. I miss my shot, and I regret it every day, and this is your shot right now. And if not for you, Kyle, do it from Mark.

What happens when he gets older? And you're not around to look after him. You know, you're like five years away from getting out of the house, both of you. And then you'll both be gone, and it'll just be Mark and the parents, Jesus. If you talk to the judge, they tell him, this can go back to family court, and you would do

less time. Kyle thinks about it, and he goes, OK, I'll do it. And they're like, we also need your help finding your father. And then walking out of that room, Finn goes to Carisi. Nice story, man.

You're quick on your feet, and Carisi's like, yeah, you got to do what you got to do. And Rollins is like, that was straight out of your autobiography, like that was all true. And I know it. And Carisi just walks away. It's like, let's put, you know, put two and two together here, girl.

And that's also like such a classic SVU trope of like, you know, when they get personally covered, connected, they love when they tear a tail. Yeah, it's munch going when I was little across the street, there was this girl. She always had bruises.

She always had cuts, and I never said anything, and then she died, and that's not a good

munch. But you know what I'm saying? OK, so you're still in Carisi mode. I'm still in Carisi. I started to get out of it.

I got to get my dialect coach. So at the ice rink, Kyle is just sitting at the ice rink by himself in the stands and Jim shows up, and so he's like, so what's got you so worried that I needed to come all the way out here? It's like, I don't know, Dad, last time I saw you, you were beating my brother, bloody

to the point that one of his eyes is not functioning, and he's like, Kyle's like, everything is screwed up. You told me to do that to Jack, you said it would help. You said it would help the team, and he goes, yeah, so I told you to fucking assault your friend and not every friend works out, OK?

Why are you being such a bitch? So we tell you to do is going to be a hundred percent, like he's acting like it's like they hit traffic. Yeah. Like what the fuck?

Yeah.

Like it's so crazy, and he goes, we're just going to roll with it.

That's all. And then this man is like the worst out of all time. He's like chill baby. He goes, stutachly, it's like you don't go to jail. That's the thing.

It's like he's also like using his own delusion that stutachly, don't go to jail. And it's like you're not right now, I mean, before you beat your son up, you weren't really facing any consequences. You just were operating under these stutathlets, don't go to jail, like school of law, which isn't real.

And your son would be the one paying all the prices on that. So then he's like, you just need to keep you head up, your mouth shut, and let your lawyer handle it. And he's like, you got good things coming your way. Then you're going to do college puck, then you're going to go pro.

And we teach Mark together, me and you, we whip him into shape, toughen him up. And then the turn of boys are the face of the league. We can have our own dynasty. I mean, the sky is the delusions of grandeur are at a control. That's when the cops show up.

They interrupt his dumb little fantasy speech. Kyle looks really sad. The dad goes, everything you have and have accomplished, I taught you how to get it. And the dad, the cows like, I'm sorry, dad, I let you down. And then...

I know that's the sad part too. He still feels bad. He's going to feel bad and think he did something wrong. Until he gets years of therapy. Yeah.

And I don't know if his mom's going to even let him go, I don't know what's going to happen.

“I think the whole family has to get in therapy, and I hope they do.”

I hope they move. But it sucks, because it's like that guy like he could get a few years in jail, but I'll get out of bench. I'll come back for all of them. It's like, I don't know.

I'm like, I'm just like pessimistic about that. Your son's eye is fucked, your other son killed his best friend. Yeah. And you're not like maybe things have gone too far. You're like, we got to just press that.

I'm glad it doesn't work. So you can go to college and play hockey. Yeah. I forgot that part. Yeah, whatever.

So plans don't work. That's so crazy. plans don't work. It's fine. Whoever wrote that, that's so good.

It's so good. Also, it's like, you literally could have just told him to punch him a couple times. Do you know what I mean? You told him to do something so horrible. The punching is not acceptable.

But like everyone would have lived everybody, you know, like jailed, like you would have gotten a probation. Like he's like, do something so awful. Like I don't know. It's so okay.

So bad. I'm sorry. Yeah, do like a mafia. Do like with a mafia. Do like a horrible like no one is like, we all want to be champions.

But like at the end of the day, champions lose all the time. That's what makes them champions. So it's like, and they lose gracefully.

“And that's why these, that's why these dads don't make it.”

Like, they don't get the full humanity of it all.

Like, and Jordan were insane in their own ways. But like, they lost a lot and knew it. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.

“Well, at the end of that episode, it's Rollins and Benson showing off their”

outerwear to people pop their drink. Like Michael Jordan didn't make his like high school team or something like that.

There's that sort of like Tom Brady wasn't even a first round draft pick.

Like he was like far down the line. He was like some backup quarterback. Like, most people that, not like, like a lot of people that succeed. It's like it's tenacity and like working through stuff, not flipping out and raping a child with a stick like what the fuck.

Maybe that's why you're not a champion, like what the fuck. That is exactly why he's not a champion. That's why he didn't go pro because of the way this man is like nothing's worse than a sore loser. You don't want to be, I mean, I like have like a little fun.

Like some Reggie Miller fun, but like, I don't know. Yeah. So anyway, the episode ends with Rollins and Benson and their beautiful outerwear. I don't know about ice ring. Because now that hockey is infiltrated my, what's it called?

Algorithm. Oh, you're getting a lot of more hockey content. It's they know exactly what I want, but they'll throw in some hockey now and then now. Like it is crazy by like they truly just take off and in the books, like there's some people that are, they're on the team to fight, like they're enforcers and like protecting

the like shooter players.

“So that's I remember that from when I used to play NHL on in Tendo, like you had a moment”

where you could throw off your gloves and fight, but like, like you can still do that in hockey.

Yes, like, I think I just get clips of like, and that like the clip I got was like never

fuck with a goalie and it's like someone fucking with the goalie and then the whole team will be the shit out of you. And it's like everyone's just throwing things penalty boxes are filled. Like it's just kind of insane, I don't think I'm in real life sport. I don't either because I don't think about hockey ever in my life.

I also, I feel like we've had this conversation. I'm having deja vu like where I was like, are we still a lot of fight during hockey, but the girls stop with the thing is at the end of the day, the girls play without doing that. And then one of them made a joke of like, well, we don't have good dental insurance. So the boys have been more money than us, but also I'm sure it's they're just, I don't

know, these guys just really are beating the shit out of each other and it's incurred. Like they're fighting the, like the restaurant skates kind of fighting to, I don't get it. I mean, like, it's like, I don't know, it's, but like when I think about our, so we didn't have our own high school hockey team that are like the two high schools combined, but it was all the skater guys.

It was like the hot kind of alternative guys or where the people I remember being on hockey. Oh, not, not where I grew up. It was like the rich, preppy guys were the hockey players. Okay. Yeah.

And then because of the books, it's also like a lot of them are, like, I guess with all sports, basically like some of them just don't speak the language, like a lot of them are speaking different languages. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like sometimes they're just coming from somewhere and that's that. It's just like, there's other sports that are violent, like football and, you know,

but you're, you're never like, oh, you two just take a second and just beat the shit out

of each other. Yeah. It's crazy. So basically the episode ends. Yeah, that's an enrolance in their beautiful outerwear at a ice rink and Benson's

like, well, a few years in Juvee is better than 10 years in prison, but she's not happy about it in Rollins is like, yeah, but we got that dad out of the house, like, that's what's important. And then Benson goes, yeah, 13 years to late. So, and that's how it ends.

That's Dick Wolf, baby. It's like, at least you guys saved Mark. And hopefully you can save Adam and Kyle from, through therapy, a lifetime of shame and trauma, you know, but I hope that those guys are okay. And then that's that, that's great expectations.

Why do they call it that? It's like so weird.

“I think, well, I think it's like the expectations of, you know, I know it's already”

a book. Like, like, I don't, yeah, I know it's not about Hock being good at hockey, okay. But is it about, like, something like a fuck story, I feel it's like her and Ethan Hawke near a fountain is what I remember about great expectations. It says, it's a coming of age novel that follows an orphan pit from his humble beginnings

to his rise as a gentleman in the orphan pit. Huh? His name is PIP. What's a PIP? That's his name.

His name is PIP. Yeah. Okay. PIP. Like, PIP in.

I don't know. And eventually his moral awakening, exploring themes of social class love, ambition, and identity in Victorian England. So, I guess it's because he had these great expectations quote unquote of, like, wealth and, you know, the dad has these great expectations for his kids, but, and the mom had these great

expectations for starting a family with this man and it's a turn into a fucking nightmare. So, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's all because this guy, like, didn't get where he thought he deserved to go, like, in his hockey career, probably. Do you know what I mean?

But let's get to the crime, tell me the horrific thing that's going to happen.

“All right, so this is obviously about parent violence and youth sports.”

One man beat another, like, one father beat another father to death after a practice game. A practice game. This was, like, practice. What? This was in, at a Burbank skating arena in Reading Massachusetts.

Okay. So Michael Costin, he is the victim, he's 156 pounds, he's a carpenter. And on June 5th, 2000, he was beaten to death after the parents argued about a rough play in this hockey practice. Now, the, the murderer is Thomas Junta, and Thomas was 44 years old, 270 pounds.

So that's like a lot of way on someone for a fight, and he was a truck driver.

And his lawyer, Thomas, or Leandy, Jr. said, Junta's not the person he has been made out to be. In fact, he is a loving father and husband, and that's by the New York Times.

“But he did beat a man to death, and I think that's something to remember.”

So the fight began when Junta believed that Costin was encouraging a team with his three sons on it to play two aggressively, hitting, checking and slashing the players on the other team, where Junta's son, Quinlan was playing. So I don't know if it was like a scrimmage game or all the teams in the league practice together, like, what was going on, but in multiple articles, it said, like, this wasn't

even a game. So the two men argue that it's like, there's no stakes. It's just a practice. Oh, yeah, the two men argued on the ice, and Junta was asked to leave, and he left for one minute.

Then came back, claiming he was worried his son was still in there. But the assistant Rink manager, Nancy Blanchard said he looked enraged and shoved her aside hard enough that it bruised her arm. So he left at pissed, came back pissed, and so he went inside and then they started shoving each other, and then Junta ended up sitting on Costin's chest, and that's where all these

fatal blows were delivered. This is according to two witnesses to the New York Times, and that these witnesses said that they were shouting for him to stop. And Kaustin was found laying on the floor outside the Rink in this like, like, redding in north of Boston.

So they went from inside to outside the fight continued, and he was found outside. He died when an artery at the base of his brain was severed by a powerful force. It says he sustained injuries in 15 places, but there's a lot of conflicting witness statements. So Junta's like, I only hit him three times, but all these other people are like, oh, no,

actually you hit him 10, like, more than 10 times, and then his 12-year-old son testified that his dad was trying to protect himself and only hit him three quick times, and that's to CNN, and it's like, it could be a coercion or like, you know, or the kid only saw if you, I don't know. There's just a lot of witnesses.

And they always say witness testimony is an issue.

Yeah, because if you're sitting on somebody's chest, it feels like you've won. Like you don't need to do any, you're protected.

“You're sitting on the person, you know, yeah, that's a really important point.”

And then the judge ordered for all the minors not to be identified that testified, which I appreciate, and there was like a dozen children watching, including these two sons. So one of the sons truly watched his dad get beat to death, and then one of the witnesses is quoted to CNN saying he went on and on, and I kept hollering and saying stop, and I was thinking the whole time, he's either going to kill the man or he's going to have brain damage.

The ME testified in court that coston was beaten so severely that he suffered deep hemorrhages on the left side of his neck, and with the torn artery in the brain, and like he kind of had a form of a stroke from these injuries and June to said he was acting in self defense after coston swung at him and the judge told the jury that self defense was illegally acceptable defense, as long as the force was proportionate to the threat.

Now, coston actually has like a really long criminal record, but that was not made to the jury, because it's like that's trying to make the victim seem like something else. It probably would have helped paying a picture for the junk to team, but that coston was an aggressor or something, but the judge did not allow, but they actually both have insane criminal records.

So, coston had been sentenced to jail 10 times for terms of 15 months for our like us for assault, battery, breaking and entering, assaulting a police officer, violating a restraining order taken out by his wife, Linda, and then his father Gus is quoted in the time saying how his son had a troubled past, but was in a good mood before his death because he had just one custody of his sons and daughter, which seems insane.

guy with all these aras, but it's kind of like when Tom ran, what's the guy from Ravenna?

“It's like when, from southern charm, like for Catherine, I have the kids, like they're both”

bad, like what is happening to them too, so I just think it's crazy he got custody of his kids. Yeah. That does seem crazy. When there's a mom with like training, unfortunately, mentally unfit or something.

But they, they, they, they, they should restrain orders against him. Yeah. So, I don't know, but this is just a quote from the dad, so like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Jenta also is arrested on charges of assault and battery. I'm breaking an entering, but wasn't convicted in the past and he also had a restraining order in 1991 because he beat her in front of their two children and another child. So, he, like, beat his wife at a wedding in front of his kids, Jesus Christ.

“This is toxic, toxic masculinity, like, I know, but one versus one, like they're basically,”

oh my god. All right. So, he was found guilty. This is actually really confusing. So, he was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in January 2002, which only had a possible

sentence one source said for three to five years. And then, but, okay, so a half hour before the jury delivered a verdict, the jury asked the judge to clarify between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. And then the jury was nine women, three men, and if they found him guilty of involuntary mans

laughter, he would have been looking at eight to 12 years, and it actually took the judge asking for the verdict three times for the jury form and to finally speak and say guilty.

So, I don't know what was really going on, but a bunch of them wanted to go voluntary, but we're talked out of it and eventually, like, a lot of the jurors who talked were not happy and said this guy went too far and he had lots of chances to stop or call the police or do anything. And now NBC Sports reported that he served eight years and that, like, the local WFMY news too said he was sentenced to six to 10 years. So, it's like, I thought he got involuntary, which is three to five, but he actually got eight and then CBS news reported you could get up to 20 years maximum for an involuntary murder charge.

So, I'm not really sure what's up, but he got eight years, even though one source was like, it's only possibly got three to five. So, I don't know if it's like, states, I don't know.

“I'm also sort of like, like, first degree murder, right, is planning intent to kill, right?”

I thought second degree murder was like murder in the heat of passion, but that sounds like it's also what voluntary manslaughter is. No, maybe voluntary is like drunk driving. Yeah, what's drunk driving, you think? I mean, voluntary, it said it's killing of a human in which the offender acted in the heat of passion, a state that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed to the point where they cannot control their emotions. It's one of two types of manslaughter.

I just don't really understand the difference between, I mean, I mean, we have so many lawyers that listen, but like, yeah, because isn't there also there's also third degree murder, like there's all that there's different degrees of murder. So, when does it go from manslaughter heat differences between murder and voluntary manslaughter? I mean, it probably varies by state as well. Yes, it's intent. Murder, there's an intent to kill manslaughter, there's not an intent to kill.

Okay, so second degree murder would be like, I was in a rage, I went crazy, I couldn't see anything, but I kept going until they were dead.

Whereas the manslaughter is like, I was just trying to hurt them and I killed them by accident. Yeah, yeah. Okay, got it. Okay, seems important. Episode 278.

The guy served eight years and the judge went along with the recommended sentence from prosecution, but believed it was Tuleania in generous. And he was denied parole twice. And that's that. Damn, and I hope no one speaks to him. I think he died.

Great. Sorry to know that that's pretty unprofessional as me. No, that's okay. I know, I only know because I really quickly looked at the thing that I saw as death date when I was first looking up the thing. I think he died in the 2020 cancer.

Okay. Damn. Well, the end to that story. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like get a couple. Like not come out, but then you got to leave. Don't be violent ever, but like it's like you severed a brain artery 15 points. Like what are you talking about? You're more giant than him. Yeah.

It's so I just hate violence like that of any kind, really. Unless like you're truly defending someone from like being attacked. I really just fights like it concerts or any kind of my CFI.

I'm always like, oh, I hate this.

So, um, all right. I like to, but I would go to a couple of public executions if I could.

We have a pretty cute little guest coming up.

So don't go anywhere. We got a little, we got a little cuteie. Why are you connecting them? I was just saying we're going straight from people beating each other to death and hanging Billionaires in the streets to a little sweetheart.

[Music] Our guest today is a young actor who has been featured on such shows as Nicky Rikki Dikki and Dawn, Bunked and Elena of Avalor. But you know him best today as the star hockey player with a messed up family, Kyle Turner. Please enjoy our chat with the lovely Lincoln Melchur.

Oh my gosh. It's so crazy to see you like grown up. I know this sounds crazy, but it's like I just watched your little episode where you're this little cutie and now you're like a full-grown person. I was a baby. Yeah.

How old were you when you filmed this like 13 or? I believe I was 12.

“I think I was, well, I was in seventh grade at the time and I'm a senior in college.”

So it's been a long time. What are you majoring in? I'm a political science major and a theater minor. Okay, so are you maybe going to get, are you going to, I mean, I know you're still acting. Like I see your credits and stuff like are you, is that the way you want to go?

For sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I'm being your back pocket.

In the back pocket, maybe we'll see. Yeah, but yeah, acting writing, I've been doing improv with my college improv team too. It's been a lot of fun. So cool. I did improv and college.

And are you, you're from California? I am from Burbank. So then you booked and flew to New York. It was pretty insane. It was a quick turnaround.

It was, I had done, I was shooting actually at Disney Channel so at the time. And I got the email for a self-tape. And we like scrambled to go get it done. Finish the self-tape, turn it in. And then literally like the next day, I got the email that I got in it.

And then they had us on a flight the next morning. Like for a clock in the morning. So it was a pretty quick like whirlwind turnaround. But super cool. Did you take classes?

How'd you learn? Were you good at memorizing? I don't know. So what were your skills again? I think I think just being like a 12 year old.

Things just kind of like make sense to you a little bit more than as an adult. You tend to complicate things with you get older a little bit. But yeah, no, I just, I've been doing it since I was super little. I actually went out the way I got into it. I was four years old.

My mom was doing a typo class in the city of city. And the lady who worked at the front happened to be like an acting manager. And she was like, hey, do you want to be on television? And I was like, yeah, of course. So I got from there I booked like a mont's apple sauce commercial right away.

Like my first audition. And then immediately got fired because I wasn't, I was a 40 year old. And like, I was supposed to walk through this house.

Like with my backpack first day of school.

And I just insisted upon like swinging it over my head. You're trying to play a real. You're trying to play the real. I have a four year old boy right now. And that's the reality of it.

Yeah. You got fired because you wouldn't stop spinning your back. Oh, immediately. Yeah. Yeah.

There was a stand in the name chain.

“And I sort of remember that because every time.”

I don't know. Every time I, I feel like I'm not, I'm not there. I'm like, I better, I better lock in because they got Shane in the back. Yeah. There's a Shane ready to take your play.

I don't any moment. Yeah. I love this typo front desk slash talent management. Right. It's so Hollywood.

It's just like, it's the epitome of a Hollywood Hollywood origin story. Oh, my God. I'm says. Well, I wanted to ask like, you know, what was? Did you know anything about SVU at 12 years old?

Like, did you know the subject matter? And like, was it scary? But like, you were in a Ouija origin of evil the year before. So I guess SVU was probably like a step down from that. It's true.

I don't know. I mean, I mean, the subject, especially like switching from like Disney Channel. Yeah. It's sort of a whip lash there. Yeah.

To some serious SVU stuff. Yeah. For sure. I mean, it was definitely more serious. But I feel like I, I don't know.

I was kind of my family has always been sort of like, I don't know.

I was a lot to watch right on our movies way too young. Like, it wasn't anything I hadn't seen before, I guess. But well, good. Any scoop. Any moments with any of the detectives or, you know, some climate.

Like, give it. Yeah. I remember God of a funny.

“When, I think we shot in like 2016, 2017 something like that.”

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you guys remember the juju on that beat challenge. The dance, the juju. I don't remember that.

I don't remember that. I don't like jenzying myself right now. Yeah, it's juju on that beat. It's like, I don't know. It was like a silly dance challenge from the 2010s amongst all those.

I sure a lot of our listeners will know it. I hope so. I hope I'm connected with someone here. Mariska's son. I guess they call him juju.

So I was doing this juju on that beat dance.

What?

You have to teach me this dance.

“So I'm, if you ever see Mariska Harkethead doing the juju on that beat dance.”

Just know that I'm the one. Wow, you guys did good. Talk dance is together. I mean, I have, yeah, there's, there's a legacy there for sure. Wow.

And then you were in, we call it cement room bars. How is it being in all the sets? I mean, it was realistic. Actually, the, the, the craziest one we, we filmed. Um, some of those hospital scenes in like an abandoned hospital.

Somewhere on like, and it was. Pretty. Like the, the vibe was definitely, definitely spooky. Um, my bag. So that was, yeah, that was, that was probably the, the strangest place that we filmed. But even like, all the, like, the prison sets instead.

I, they feel real. To be, I've been watching one TV. You think the real until you walk in and there's like a, I don't know, just a, a huge screen behind the windows. I know, they really make beautiful, um, windowscapes on the front.

Yeah. That's that's that's our gorgeous. Um, really kind of nail it. Would you ever live in New York or you LA forever? I think so.

I mean, I definitely, I have some LA loyalty for sure, but I was in New York, um, this summer. And I was kind of scoping it out. And I think, I think I could see myself. See myself up here at some point.

Maybe not now, but. Yeah, because your mind has to live in the mirror. Like, where would you do? Is that like, why theater versus acting or film or something like that? Like, why do you want to do the stage?

I'm, I'm totally into into all of it. I'm actually right now. I'm doing, I'm at Playhouse West doing like a Meizner program. So that's, that's a lot. I've been getting a lot on stage a lot.

Um, Matt's been really got to me. I feel like that's, that's for sure.

“The best way to practice is just getting up on stage.”

Like, the, the scariest form of acting. I feel like, I mean, on a set. You get like a million tries and then you get to the stage. And it's like, all right, they don't, don't mess this up. You get one shot.

Um, but yeah, I'd love to do. I'd definitely love to do more theater in the future for sure. So wait, when you did this, um, uh, this, uh, episode. Did you know how to skate or play hockey like play hockey or anything? Or did they ask you that?

I did that. No, they put me in like these moonboot kind of things that I guess, like, have traction on the ice. Um, even though I was, I was, I wanted to skate. I kept thought, I wanted to, I mean, I would have fallen on my ass.

I would really get up there. It looked like fun. Um, but yeah, those were cool.

I'd never seen those before.

You were moonboots. Yeah, they were that moonboot ask. I don't know what the, the technical was. So you could be on the ice in them without, like, actually skating. Oh, yes.

So a few of those shots. It's, it's actually, yeah, yeah, something ice, but not, not actually wearing skates. Was the gear heavy? I, yeah.

I mean, it was like hockey gear. It was, it was, it was heavy. I would just hate to have to carry that around. I know. And I'm a sweater too.

I mean, I'm, yeah. It's a lot. It's a burden. But are you, are have you caught and he did rival fever. He did rival fever.

I have not yet, but I, I feel like I've got to tap in. Yeah. Everyone's everyone's been saying. Okay. Yeah.

I was wondering if like your aid was into it. My niece is 21. She's about to 21. She likes it. Oh, yeah.

That's right. I'm hearing a ton about it. Yeah. We're kind of, we picked the hockey episode because of it. Yeah.

Okay. It's like, timely. I mean, yeah. Unfortunately, the show was added. He did rivalries like all about consent and this show is a little bit different.

Yeah. A little bit different.

And it just always sucks when it's apparent too, you know.

Yeah. I know I was watching last night. I was, I was like heartbroken for myself. I was like, oh, yeah. We had it if we, what were your thoughts watching it?

No. I mean, it's tough. I feel like it's tough to watch anything that you're in. But honestly, like, having been 10 years removed from it and like kind of just watching. And it's like, this is like a little 12 year old kid.

I was impressed. I thought I was, I was, I gave myself a pat on the back. Yeah. 12 year old. And you're flying cross country to like live in New York for a week or two.

And be like, on in the television show. And here we kind of terrified. Yeah. That's like a lot. Wow.

Okay. So yeah. You had like so many. You had a lot of FaceTime with Peter Scandinavino.

“If you remember that, like he was like, you know, he's so with the show.”

He was, you know, I think they were trying to draw a little. A little, get a little bit of his history out through your storyline. And that was kind of fun. Did your parents watch it? Like, did you all watch it together? Yeah.

Yeah. We did a little living room party. Yeah. It's such a weird thing to watch as like a party setting. But it makes sense.

Yeah. It's not really something. Yeah. It's like, it's a very like some episodes of us view. Actually have like some humor in them and are like pretty and can be campy.

This one is not one of those.

I figured that it had like some sort of bleak. Oh, no. There was some sort of uptick at the end. Yeah. And then the end is like dad is dad and he's going to jail.

Yeah. The end is really freaking bleak. Did you get along with the other like kids on the set? There were like a bunch of boys, right? And the episode where you guys like.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's drink full, like full caffeine soda and party. Yeah. Yeah.

Actually we were horrible. I feel like we didn't spend too much time with the whole hockey team. But yeah.

“I mean, honestly, I remember from that set is just that everyone, everyone got along super well.”

I remember I spent a lot of time with Christopher. They could have played Jack and he was super sweet. Yeah. Yeah. I felt horrible for what I've done to him.

And then he died. Yeah. And then no more friend on set. Exactly. But what are your go to snacks on set?

Oh my gosh. I mean, that's the biggest part of it for me is the crafty table. I'm, I'm chocolate reverse now. I get migraines when I, when I eat chocolate. So I can't, they've been to the chocolate.

The M&Ms used to be my go to. But now I think kind of a banana guy. I don't know. Oh, banana guy. Okay.

And I'm always there for whenever they have like an omelet bar on there.

Yeah. That's good. That was really good too. I mean, I'm like, you really can't beat it. Your sister is like a big influencer on the internet.

She is. Because I was just Googling you in preparation for today. And I started your sister. And I was like, wait, I've seen this girl's videos before. I'm sure, I'm, I think everyone has.

She is the queen of, of TikTok rage bait. She's a self-proclaimed troll. Oh my god. Yeah. It's like Louise.

All right. Louise. Yeah. Yes. She actually, well, she originally was not really like interested in acting or any of like the performance side of things.

And then she got to college. And she was like an art history major. And then she switched to theater her senior year. And I was like, okay. So you're blatantly copying me.

You're ripping off that. It's not a thing. But all right. And yeah, then this, this crazy social media troll situation just bloomed. And she's now like, she's, she's, she's, she's the real performer of Emmy right now.

I mean, she's, she's taken the cake. So she just started making like, because I've seen some of the videos.

“But I don't, did she, oh, did she do one where she pretended like that her fiance proposed to her to marathon?”

Or something like that? I'm sure. I mean, I can't even talk about that. It was just to make people mad at the fiance. Okay, wait.

Well, she has one now. My fiance is currently in police custody for the loofice. [laughter] There we go. Yeah, that's a pretty good example.

She had one that, she actually had, she, she had, had my mom and I be a part of where, where she said that my mom had had like a situation ship with the Pope.

And that got like 20 million views.

People were convinced that the, friends of mine were coming at me at school, I mean, like, is that, that's crazy. Like the Pope is your dad. I'm like, no, no, no. Wait, I'm kind of obsessed.

She has this post that's like, guys, I just got raptured. I literally just got raptured. I'm freaking out. They're letting me keep my phone. Oh, my God.

So funny. So wait, that's crazy. Okay. So is it just you, too? Do you have other sips?

It's just us, too. Wow. And you're both like performers. And one of you was discovered at a typo studio. And the other one is a rage-bait tick-tocker.

I mean, truly, this is, this is the future. It's the quintessential Hollywood. [laughter] Does your mom still do typo? She does it.

She knows she's switched. She's more of a yogi now. Yeah. Maybe in the future. I just want to let her know that it's on YouTube.

And I'm a typo person. We're still, you're still out there.

“If you want to know some of those old Billy Blanks videos,”

she might be in there. You might be working out with my mom. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So.

Where are your parents' showbiz parents? My dad works in game shows. He's a writer. So right now he's working on the floor with Roblo. Stop.

Okay. Is he head on over to Ireland to film? Yeah. He does, yes. Yeah.

Exactly. I had two friends be on that show. I should be on the floor. Yeah. I mean, I'll see what we'll see.

Is it the one where you go back and forth about like, pasta shapes or something? Yeah. It would be like, okay. Talk about his brain. Yeah.

Yeah. I think I could do a good job. I think I would freeze and do a horrible job. That's true. I love a game show.

So what, what other game shows? Did you go to sets when you were a kid? I honestly did not. No. I mean, most of the time, they were in like weird places.

Like, yeah.

They would always shoot in like New York or Vegas or like.

Yeah. Game shows are, are all over the place. What, what, yeah. What other stuff is your dad done besides the floor?

He also, so he wants to be a millionaire.

He was doing before. Okay. Change the game. But for the practical jokers. Okay.

I'm like not doing him justice. I'm going to feel like that. But he wants to be a millionaire. Was always in New York. I thought.

It was. So he was in New York for a little bit to do that. Okay. Because our, our chair is safe for you to write on that. Yeah.

Cool. Yeah. And now him and my mom, they were kind of like original game shows together. And they, they pitched those. So.

Oh. Oh. They cool. Yeah.

“That's how I used to make money as a young comedian.”

I would book these weird game shows. Truth. Truth lie detectors. Joke. Yeah.

Comedy knockout. I was like, I love games. Yeah. That's so exciting. Yeah.

I think I'm like kind of banned from being on a game show ever now. show every now because he's he's so like tied into that world. Yeah, you definitely can be a great way on the whole someday. I want to be a family feud. That's that I'm sure. I would love to be with you. I I yell at the TD when I watch that show. I think I could do a much better job than most of the people on there. Of course. Oh my gosh. What an interesting. Okay. So now you're like. You guys play games at home. Or are your parents? No, we can't do any games in my mom hates games. Yeah, we're not even a game family. Yeah. Wait. So you also play golf.

I do. You're on the UCLA golf team. Is that really competitive? I mean not to bring it back to the episode, but did your dad ever twist your wrist because you didn't make it good score in the golf. No, but that I mean yeah, I mean growing up. So yeah, played competitive. I've been playing competitive golf since I was like six years old. Oh really? There's come competitive golf when you're sick. Of course. I didn't know golf. golf feels like something that starts out like when you're 12. Like it doesn't feel like it seems like a little bit. You're 70. No, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Once

yeah. Once your hair goes great. That's when you start playing. No, it was I mean for sure. You see like a lot of like my parents never cared. I mean no one

of my family plays golf except for my grandpa. So he was the only one that was really like actually no it was going on all the time. My mom. Sort of brutal learn because she would take me to tournaments and stuff. Yeah. I mean there's definitely some some serious golf parents. The golf dads are no joke. But yeah, played throughout high school. I started taking it a bit more seriously. And then played two years of D1 golf at UCLA and I sort of switched my focus back to performing. Yeah, getting back to that that side of my world. Well, it's a language I do want to

play. Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean it's intense. It's it's it's it's a lot. It's a full-time job. But it's super cool. I mean I've gotten to play like all the coolest golf courses that I've that I had wanted to play since I was a kid and it was um yeah, I don't know. I like we'll never not love just being out on the golf course. So do you golf casually all the time? I do. Yeah. And then are you

“stunting on people? And I go, whoa. Every once in a while you have to, right? Yeah, I don't know.”

It brings me no joy. I went to a driving range once. It gave me nothing and I gave the bucket of balls to someone and left. I see. I don't think if I wasn't if I hadn't started but I was a kid, I don't know if I'd super be into it. Now people are into it. It takes a while to get pretty good. So you're graduating in one of the months. Graduating in June. Yeah. And then what's the plan? So a few more. Well, hopefully, I mean, I've been auditioning a lot, been writing a lot.

I want to start maybe doing some LA improv. I haven't decided if I wanted to start with, you know, you see beer groundlings, but yeah, the comedy scene, keep auditioning, just um, I don't know, make some creative stuff happen. That's cool. I did all of the UCB at um in New York, but uh, cool. In LA, I've only really done stand up at UCB, but uh, I think groundlings is awesome too. It's I don't know. I don't really know what makes people choose one versus the other to be honest.

A lot of really fun people. I've got some worries. Yeah. Yeah. I have to ask around a little. Yeah, you got to be back on SVU. What would you like to come back as? Oh, I mean, I need, I would, however they'll have. I know, but you have a different way. Yeah, what would you want to come back at? No one would recognize, I'll be like the rookie like, de-agent. I don't know, whatever they need. I'm glad they do. Yeah, because like you look, I'm not that they care. They bring people back

on all the time, but like you look very different. Like when you were a kid, your hair is lighter,

“like you know, you're just like, uh, you look different. So it's true. Yeah. I think we can”

know, it would be like, hey, that's the kid that did that hockey stick. Yeah. And even if they

be like, wow, this kid, that's such an amazing redemption. Yeah. What? Yeah. No, we need you back on

log alert. Yeah. Yes. I agree. I agree. Let's make it happen. Well, for sure. Also, since you're in

Are people doing? The peers are reading. No, yes. I think that that the art is not been lost.

I also, I mean, I go to UCLA. We have kind of like, uh, there's this whole performative era that sort of going on currently, I noticed. So it's hard to discern who's reading, like, for real. I mean, who's reading the scene, like, they're, uh, cool and smoke cigarettes and, are from Silver Lake. Yeah. Yeah. That's our bet. And I have noticed that. Yeah. They're back in a scary way. And it's because of heat of rivalry, I think. Staying away, who knows. It seems like

“everything's sort of coming back to that heat of rubber. For me, I mean, that's how I started reading.”

Yeah. All right. Um, but yeah, I think reading it reading is back in, reading is in. Reading is in cigarettes are in, so the kids are doing their homework. The kids are doing their

homework. Okay. We before we, and also before we end that way. First of all, I have to say,

getting you back on law and order doesn't seem impossible at all because you also just did a Chicago Mad Dick Wolf universe. They've got you. They've still got you spinning around in the Dick Wolf universe. Um, but you also did an episode of the Thundermans, which is like my daughter's favorite show. And I've been doing a joke in my stand-up lately that that show is making my daughter talk like a Nickelodeon kid now. She'll be like, Mom, you got to see what Oscars do. I'm like,

why are you talking like that? Like, she's like, is hilarious. You know, and you play like the one of the main characters, the young version? Yeah. That was just like a one episode, but that is

“so that's so funny that you mentioned that to you. There is like that Nickelodeon Disney channel”

cadence is so recognized and totally. Yeah, because I worked on Nickelodeon show when I was younger, like, on the production side and was like, wow, these kids really do have a way of talking, but now my daughter, and then you did a voice on a lane of Avalor, which is my son's favorite cartoon show. So, there we go. You're gonna really take a look at my kids today. You're definitely care as kids. Yeah, they're gonna be excited. They're gonna be pumped. I'm honored. Oh my God. Well,

we can't wait to see what you do. Yeah, can't wait to see what you do, nag. I appreciate it. I loved him. What a young man. What a nice young man. You know, we talk sometimes to some young people and it just gives me some faith in the future. I feel like that's a nice kid. That's a kid that's gonna help. Yeah. Make a good camera. He's good at a lot of stuff. Sweet guy. This is great. Oh, yeah. I know I've been talking a lot about stickers, but my friend got me a sticker book

like from childhood, so the sheets will keep all my stickers safe. You know, like you can take them on it. You can take them on it. Did you not grow up doing this? No, wait, you can take the sticker on and off. Like the material of this paper is like a sticker backing sheet. So you can like, they can live forever here. You can then use them, but they can live here. Do dice and write

out on it. I've never seen that. Oh, yeah. This was like a big deal to me in second grade, but Julia

was in LA and the store is in LA. It's called sticker planet. Cool. It's at the Grove. And so it's like these sheets and then I got like, um, she brought me these stickers so you can go. Nice. Yeah. Oh, that's great. The Grove. Um, yeah. I just feel like we had sticker books that were like albums. We're like, I don't know if you could put them in sheets. No, you, but that's better. What you have is better. I just don't think you're confused. You might not have, but the people you saw

with sticker books were using this because what's the point? You could just put it in a notebook. Like what's the point of a sticker book? If you can't be switching and flopping and flipping, this is what your peers were using. Okay. Did you collect the racers? What were you doing? I don't know. I don't know. Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down for like a minute. But I wasn't. I'm not a climator. But I'm talking school. I'm talking little pencils. Do you have the

pencils with the lead that you push from the bottom? They smell like little oranges? Like what do you get at the book fair? Yeah. Did you get bookmarks? Uh huh. Yeah. I had that stuff. Okay. And pencil toppers. I like pencil toppers. Different racers. A racers that smell like fruit and stuff. Yeah. I had that stuff. Okay. I just don't think stickers was ever like a big, but my kids love stickers. They have a sticker box with all their stickers just loose. So that's the thing.

“So you should get them this book because when it's loose, it's like they're not actually being used.”

You're like holding on to them. And I do like buying stickers. But this, I can like put them in fun designs, group them together, and then if I want to use them, I can. They'll stay fresh for me. That's a great idea. I got to do it. Yeah. I think your kids will like it. And I guess it's in the farmer's market of the Grove. Okay. I know we have to talk about hockey and sex crimes. I apologize. I haven't been over to the fucking grove in a minute. I'm just trying to be able to stickers right now.

I used to be a real grove devotee when I lived in West Hollywood. Okay. So talks the past delinity ruins everything. It's wrong. It's bad. And it's the cause of

having this whole idea that their children are like their legacy and like they have to accomplish

“all the things that you failed at or fucked up at. Like that's really actually not what they're”

for children. So don't put that on. I mean, also, oh my gosh. But like, I don't know, this is sad. It's sad. Yeah. Little boy it's sad. He killed his fucking friend. Friends did raped and friend of his other friends. What the fuck? And then the dad. I mean, my favorite part of that episode I will be honest is the dad going, whatever. Some plans don't work out. Yeah. You got to listen to everything I say. And it's like, you do beat him if he

does. Yeah. I don't know what you want from this kid. So true. Like what? What? Sure. I told you to, you know, ain't only rape your friend. They've got work out sometimes stopping a bitch. Like

cat. Oh my god. But you know, it's like that man was probably abused. And his dad was probably

abused. It's like just a fucking cycle of violence that you're at liberty to break at any point. Um, but. Yes. Straight in the middle of like this podcast has broken my brain. In the middle of my set, it was like a weird moment and something happened. I go, just so you know, child marriage is legal in most states in America. Yeah. And then it was dead silent. And I go, I made you laugh enough. You can hear a hard fact. I go. The laws do that. So then your parents

can marry you off. And then it's not pedophilia. Just I'm sorry. Was this on stage or was it? Oh, yeah. And oh, yeah. It's like, was this with a friend group? No, on stage. No, it's on stage. There was a silent moment. I don't know how it came up. I should watch the tape. But I just decided and then it was silent. I go whatever I'll do a joke next. But something to think about. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you got a, you got a, you got a share of fact. You got a share of sex crime fact. Um, no, this is a terrible

episode. Sports should be fine. Like you can win and be a good person. Like, yeah, I mean, you can be competitive on the core and not rapier friend with a hockey stick in front of his friends. Yeah, I just kind of like can't, it's like why I sort of couldn't get into Friday night lights. It's like, I just, I'm like, I just have a hard time taking sports that seriously. That's like, I think it's great about how cute when Michael B. Jordan and Jesse Playman's had a cute moment and Michael

when the Oscar did you see that? Because they're both on Friday night lights. Oh, yeah. So when he walked off, he like, he did you think of that. I just didn't know that. Um, I don't know. Like, origin was Friday night lights. Well, for me, he was in parenthood and he was in the wire. But like, parenthood was he played one of the girls. Boyfriends. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But in

“fruitville station, I could not watch. But it like, I remember that movie coming out. Yes. I remember”

that being like, who's Michael B. Jordan? That sounds like, is he related to Michael Jordan and then that, but that I remember being his big thing that like was what made people pay attention to him. But also a fun little cameo is Craig in is going to be on the pit. I mean, at this point that this episode's out, it's already, that episode's already come out. So if your pit had get over their baby, Craig in is in, I hope it's across over. I hope he's just playing Don Craig in. He's like,

he moved to Pittsburgh after New York. And that's where he is. And he's having heart palpitations. And he needs to go see Dr. Noah Wiley. All right. Let's get into sister peg that what what sister peg do is our weekly segment where we direct you to an organization, a book, a documentary, something to give you more information about what we talked about in the episode or just on the subject. And we kind of talked in this episode a little bit about how hockey is, you know, not not super

diverse. And it feels like it's mostly for kids with more money. And we wanted to point you to the hockey diversity alliance, which is an organization to committed to fostering inclusivity, combating discrimination and advancing diversity within the hockey community. They have education programs, social initiatives and scholarships. So if you'd like to volunteer or donate, head on over to the hockey diversity alliance dot org. So I'm sure he did rivalry is bringing a

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“I think I'm somewhere tonight to be honest. So yeah, I've been 31st or the 30th. Oh,”

not of April of April. I've honestly never been home for this long. Like, I don't even know what I'm

is since COVID. And I just like, I can't even believe it. It'll be fun. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to like, oh my God. I can't, I can't even believe it. I'm going to be like a regular girl. Well, because yesterday I was like, I love happy hour. I love seeing people outside of work. You know, I'm like, I love being a part of the call. And she actually was like, I love that happy hour. It's just like a fun experience. A little, a little trivial moment for you. She's not your reality at

all. Coming to drown out your job. But I was like, yeah, for sure. I just feel like I'm in sex in the city,

you know, and it's not the happy hour was illegal. I never experienced it. Why? Oh, that's such a weird

thing. Oh, it's true. Someone was telling me that bars in New York close early now, like since COVID.

“Honey, I can get you to 4 a.m. if you want to step forward. I was like, I haven't heard that.”

I mean, some bars do. I'm sad of a circle closes. There's less diners, whatever. But like, yeah, you could stay out if you want to stay out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And why don't you be cool be friends with a bartender and be able to stay later? I don't know what to tell you. Fucking dork. And with that, we'll see you next week. Bye guys.

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