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. The Bill Simmons podcast Live on Netflix for my favorite day of the year. It's pretty sad that this is my favorite day of the year, but it's the NBA draft. I'm a J. Kyle Man from the ringer, I'm with the deliriously happy and possibly drunk Joe House, whose team had the number one pick and took AJ DeBaza.

We'll talk about that later. We have a little gimmick. It's just for the live Netflix show only. We're going to have some voting. They started this whole thing that they did during a star search.

And we have borrowed the technology, and we're going to be able, if you're watching this live on Netflix, you're going to be able to vote on stuff, including houses, blood, alcohol, level. I want to mention, we put up a new rewatchables on Monday night. We did a domestic disturbance, the funniest from home movie, of all the from home

movies. Had a great time with Sean Finishing, Chris Ryan. We have another one coming on Thursday, the good son, you can hear houses, golf podcasts far away, Roland, and you can listen and watch Kyle Man on the ringer NBA show. Okay, guys, winners and losers, and I have mostly winners.

And I'm going to start here at J. Kyle Man as a guy who works on our ringer NBA draft guide and does lots of YouTube clips and studies and successes over the draft. The drafts become less and less fun over the course of the decade as everybody just makes logical smart decisions and nobody messes up and we have no monkey wrenches and no wild cards and no great players falling.

I had the first 12 picks regardless of the order.

I thought we're the 12 best guys in the draft. There were no, no stumbles at all. Is this just where we are now? We have too much intelligence. How do you explain this?

It seems like the nerds have taken over in the math as kind of crept into the point where even I just feel like it's created these little guard rails for if you have a wild take. You know, I just feel like we have so much more numbers justification, you know, scouting is improved. The information is improved across the board.

I feel like we have fewer and fewer just kind of like good old boy network, DM kind of front office people out there. I mean, there's maybe one or two left, but they're dwindling by the day. Yeah. But I went through and I was doing my grades on this and I was like, it was hard to really

ding anybody hard for anything. I was like, I don't really have any like, these are F's, you know, it's there or any like, can tell woods or what was the, what was the jucco guy that you guys took, Keegan Brown or not Keegan Brown or not Keegan Brown, yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't get those. How about the 20 guys?

How's this team took? Yeah, I mean, 20 years ago, I just feel like the kings would have taken Nae Day men and we would have been like, what are they doing? And now they just take Darius take off house. You don't care because your team ended up with the number and pick them.

By the way, my team is about to pick at number 27 in the Celtics, so about a tumultuous week, I don't know if we're taking a team psychiatrist or an actual player, but we're you're going to experience my reaction live house, your reaction, we have a lot of little

“birdies telling us that AJ was going to DC for the last month and that's what happened.”

But were you scared in the moment of truth that that wasn't going to happen? No, no, no, and honestly, you have to just just keep to faith, let all of the stuff happen

I do want to set up right away. My blood alcohol content level is an equilibrium. I'm at 0.0, no booze or booze or booze or boozeer, I stand with my Mormon brother AJD. I welcome him to Washington, DC, me and AJ the bath, where no booze for us tonight because

we're setting the the the the path for a very clean start to the to our careers. Well, that's not the house I know. And Chris Ryan stepped up for you last night because we brought him on for the it wasn't an emergency podcast because when you're honest was getting traded, so we called it an urging gathering.

It was being CR and barrier and CR had come home from dinner and it had a couple cocktails. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was alively CR and he was especially, oh, here we go. This is the only time I'll do this during our live Netflix trap, the piss is in showing Isaiah Adam the Adam sovers on the clock, and he's going to tell us that the sopics are

“taking a Houston forward, Kyle man, what do you think of that pick?”

Snack. Yeah, uh, he's somebody that I've been a little more skeptical on because I said I thought he was kind of in this. Well, caviar, he's he's a guy that he's one of those conditional kind of dependent guys.

It's like if he went to a team with like poor developmental structure, I would be worried about him because I'd worried that his offense was just in this weird purgatory. They needed to be straightened out where he was like a hypothetical stretch for who really only got rent. He really didn't attack the ram, even if you got run up the line, he would take these

like long twos that weren't pretty. He had to kind of be spoon fed any offense that he got, but he's very big. He's very athletic. He has long gone. Good rebounder.

I like that. I like that.

“I trust the Celtics to kind of detangle him and make sense of him.”

So that's a good one. Six double doubles last year, House. Pick 27. Okay. You needed size.

I mean, it's why you got your asses handed to you by the sixers. Man, one of many reasons, one of many, um, including the fact that he started running her for junior in a game seven, who had to play those series. Maybe overthought it a little. All right, so winners and losers, and I have mostly winners, and we're going to go through

this. I did not send you the list. I'm going to be surprising you guys with all of these, and we can react, and it's a way for us to talk about the draft. As I mentioned, the big winners is just confidence, just, just teams over and over again,

doing what seemed to be relatively the right thing. Holy.

You know, you know, but you just kind of, it was always like, okay, they should take him.

And then they would. Here's how you know. The king's just sat tight. They didn't do anything crazy. They just sat tight and let the guy that made the most sense for them, the guy they had

their eye on, he just landed in there, no, no irrational behavior out of the king. Well, you know, you saw with the clippers tried to do because there's so many, there's so many info guys and newsletter guys, and you could basically get any message that you want out all the sudden within two days of draft that there was a the clippers are really becoming intrigued by a cup.

And like on this, we want a time on him, he could go screenshots of the player development coaches son. That was one of the more entertaining, like, I don't know if that was an angular approach.

“Could you play a cup and dare scarling together and might happen?”

And Vivek, you know, it was like, it was just like watching somebody stay disciplined

at a blackjack table for the first time ever.

We're like, nope, I'm just going to double down on 11 here. No, keep the back in laying like in the wolf man, like they have leather straps over his wrists and he can't touch his phone. He's just like, or Hannibal Lecter, whatever it is. They definitely like that article came out and they're definitely like, we can't live

a vaccine, he's going to trade our unprotected 2021 first to move up two spots. So yeah, uh, house, I'll start with renewed hope, like legitimate renewed hope in Washington, Utah, Memphis, Chicago, Sacramento, five punching bags, five teams that have been in the lottery a bunch of times or have rebuilt a bunch of times teams that I think during the course of last year, we're either agregiously tanking or not as blatantly tanking or actually

screwing up the tank in Sacramento's case. And now that's one, six, one six of the league has hope when the crazy thing is in the

context of a third of the league tanking last season, for each of the teams you just rattled

off, you can come up with a decent, interesting core of guys, two or three or four young

little nucleus that's coming together. The bummer for those teams and this is one of the things I'm looking at from the Washington perspective, the league is good, the league is better. Like, you know, if if we're if teams aren't tanking next year, I was going through the eastern conference standings trying to find who the three worst teams are, you know, is there a

pathway for Washington to get to the play in? Well, yes, but you know what, it's not easy. It's not an easy path. And obviously, the the West is is, you know, just nails across the board, especially, like I look at that Utah roster, I'm like, wow, look at I can't wait to talk about that. They can't come together.

But look at the West, your steeped team paid tray young, but you have tray young, the net traded for Julius Randall, but then now they have Julius Randall. So you have this whole weird thing that they did Kyle with the with the draft order and the two ping pong balls if you're in the bottom three, it already seems like it's affected some of the stuff we've

seen, right? Like that teams, teams are actually okay, getting, you know, basically good

“stat bad team guys, which sorry house, but that's what's very young, this has been, and”

that's what Julius Randall is. I'm just saying sorry to me might be what Michael Porter is, but Kyle, is this where we're going? Uh, I mean, it seems like it. Well, it's going to be interesting to see how things shake up here now as these teams like house was saying, it's such a radical shake up that

all these have knots and hopeless wanders in the desert or just no longer, it was like quick change. It was like the jazz just have this like side unseen team that might be, I know, how's you were talking about being like a play and team, like the jazz might be, I was, we were joking about it on group chat where I was like, are they better than the sons and the blazers, instantly with the roster that they have, like, and they're rolling

this out, and I know we'll talk about it more in detail, but pretty, pretty dramatic shift in terms of the competency in the way that these teams are being ran.

Well, let's talk about them first. House, we'll save your team. Let's go ahead and talk about

them for a while. Um, oh, we have the biggest winner around one was the first poll we did on the lab Netflix and houses wizard 36%. So maybe the audience wants to talk wizards first. That's fine. We'll do that. Winner. The winner. Yeah. AJ to Bansa. The Bansa. I'm just going to calm the Bansa and the bottom of the screw it up for 10 years. Yeah. House, your first kick ass competitive wing since win. Oh, brother. Otto Porter. Otto Porter was a pretty, you know, they

messed up. We messed up the boys until Otto Porter. He was a quality role play. He was part of the big three. We almost beat the, the Celtics to make it all the way to use a conference finals. I remember you texted me during his rookie year being like, I'm out. You just got to be like, third thing. The saddest thing is that you and Jalen, that was the era where you and Jalen were interviewing the prospects that as they came in and you fed me some information that wasn't

very flattering. Well, yeah, we were Luke warm on him. We like to call them the most. The one, the one we were the most worried about was the kid who lied about his age. She was named. I can't even remember it because it was so far though. But so favorite AJ's ever thought make it right? Was it right? No, not thought maker was it was the shooting card. I can't remember. I'm blank and he was a lefty.

I can't remember. Anyway, she's just about. Wow. I'm incredible. So AJ soprano is the worst case

AJ scenario I think house. Right. AJ feelings in the middle. Okay. I don't know. I can come up with

“AJ voice. You didn't even get AJ voice. Don't you remember that. AJ voice a good one. Maybe this”

part of your heart. Yeah, for our youth. Now, here's where Kyle fills a pot of water and dumps it on your head. Kyle, you think they should take a boozer. Just make the case. No, this is a can't lose draft. I mean, I gave the top three picks all a plus is because how often you're going to get and they said it repeatedly on the broadcast that it's true. You could choose your flavor here of this knee appolitan sweetness of prospect goodness at the top of this draft and be come away satisfied.

There's a perfectly reasonable case for taking AJ that I understand that is very sober like house tonight. Unfortunately, but I just thought that I thought the basketball, you know, I said this you all repeatedly. I just thought in the basketball sense to make them a competitive team that was going to be very efficient and focused and get the most and elevate their guys. I thought boozer made a lot of sense. But if they end up having tray on the team, which it seems like they're going to

and if 80 hangs around and you think about putting star at the floor and then if it AJ at the three and then you got tray or bulb or whatever it's going to be at the two or cash on or, you know,

“will Riley's been showing out and looking good about the two, but I think they suddenly have a”

pretty balanced team like it's going to be pretty interesting, I think. So how I was studying

the pre show of somebody complimented his outfit and he said actually went to France to

“find this and brought it back. I'm like, I don't know if I love that. Why don't you love that?”

I didn't love it. I don't know. I haven't get into the gym and work about some three. But he's he's very polished almost a little too polished. Like polished enough. I'm like, he's young. He's young. He almost seemed like a 19 year old. He's trying. I mean, this is a very polished 19 year old. Yeah, that's right. I mean, so polished that the league selected him as their sort of youth draft correspondent to go participate and interview people

and be in the playoffs and be kind of a digital media guy for that. That's a lofty role. That's I loved that. I thought it was very positive reflection on his maturity. By contrary distinction, it was when you're splitting the hairs so fine. His personality coming out was the opposite of what we saw on a Darren Peterson now. You're not drafting personality here, but you know, we are trying to come up with a reason to choose one guy over another.

And that's part of why he liked the Bonsa. Yeah, Peterson seemed a little better after he got picked.

He felt like he could see the weight. We'll talk about him in a second. So, winner DeBonsa,

“who, you know, we talked about him a bunch in the pod. I remember when was that early February?”

I had you on the podcast. I was like, DeBonsa is going to go first. This is a wrap. The guys, he's, he's too filled out already. Like, what's he going to look like when he's 27? And there's just not a lot of guys like him. He's somebody that could have played in any of the last three playoff series we watched. He could have been thrown out there. He would have survived physically. There's, if you're nitpicking, I don't know, he, like he talked about his off-ball defense,

like some people don't love his shot yet. It's all stuff that will get better and better as he goes along. But he seems like, at one point, how's he said, I've been number one my whole life. I expected to go number one this draft Kyle. That's just like the kind of confidence I think you would want from your number one pick, right? Yeah. I mean, he has earned confidence. I think an interesting thing about DeBonsa too that I've been amused by, they're watching him come up through the grassroots

circuit knowing people that have interviewed him and his family. There is just a stern focus about them, you know, as a group. And I have friends who know his dad, who we're like talking about. He would have AJ talk to these different players and just to kind of get on his ass basically on purpose

and to give him feedback, critical feedback. And he, and he, and his dad specifically ever said,

I don't kiss his ass ever. He's just like on him all the time. So they kind of like going on. That's the Rick Brunson strategy. Worked. Well, it looks a title. And, and I wanted to tell houses, I was thinking about this this week. If we watch these playoffs and we think about the weight, it's officiated. If you watch your beloved Diniobdi, if you watch just any of these downhill guys, or whether it be Shay or whoever you think about DeBonsa's specific set of gifts.

He's not like I'm just going to roast you with a live dribble. He's not like one of those nuclear athletes, but he's his gracefulness and his balance and his power combined with being a pretty good athlete, getting down heel makes him really potent. And I wanted to throw this status to you house. I was looking at this, did you want to jump in Bill or a quick look? Oh god, you did. There was, there was paint touches in Division one called basketball this year.

Guys that averaged over 20 per game, the top five is all point guards. Number one is a bouquet Corey, who got drafted tonight. Nice just downhill. We like there's, this is efficiency. Yeah. Among guys that over 20 again, there is a couple of number two among these point guards. Number three downhill paint touch efficiency scoring the ball, AJ DeBonsa. That's, that's go. That guy's six foot nine. So I said up to just get to the line and score a ton just by the way,

he plays. I mean, we could do a whole thing of a of a few of praise for what he's bringing to the table. How easy it seemed like the scoring came, especially after Saunders got hurt, where he became the focal point of the office. But what I really love is he goes both ways. I love seeing him go less with the mirror person life. Oh, pause Jesus. It's like it's like 1130. Are you trying to run? No, I'm kidding. Go. Three hours ago, you had a god in that. I got it immediately.

“The, the, here's the thing with AJ. He's not LeBron. I was, nobody's going to be LeBron. We'll”

probably never see LeBron again. So don't aggregate this. So I'm not saying he's next LeBron.

How many guys have come into the league since LeBron, where you say to yourself, kind of a LeBron body, right? Where you looking at him and go, I could see him at age 27,

guys that we've had come into the league. And sadly, not all them are good. Like maybe you could have said that about Josh Jackson. Like, oh, Josh Jackson, when he's 27, he might be ripped. He

“turned out he was in the league. But physically, I think it's just going to be really easy for him to”

get his points. And the fact that he produced in college, I think matters, which is same thing for Bowser. So the wizard winner sadly, there are also a loser house, because he gave trey on four

years, $212 million with a player option year for that. I think he's already picked up.

I don't know who you were bidding against. I don't know why he did it. It was inexplicable. We're going to do worse contracts with Waz and March. I was screen-shadding you pictures of us trying with the first second or third pick next March. Why can't you have good things? Why can't you have good things for a week? Why did this have to happen? This is what I said, but with all the local folks here, like, did they have to announce this on Monday?

Why couldn't we just wait till Friday or something? Make it a Friday news dump? Let me put it being the honeymoon period with AJ. It would have been fine. And I had already wrapped my head around the idea that trey on was going to be in my life for the next three years. I imagine three years, a hundred and forty-hundred. Maybe, like, you were crazy. What a hundred. How about three for hundreds of seconds ago? Really, you know.

“But you have to like sort of go, oh, well, there's a floor to the south. You have to have a floor to your”

salaries and you have seven guys on rookie contracts. You've got to pay somebody. You've got to pay somebody. I mean, you sound like C.A. You're just making it. I'm just telling you, I am literally making shit up because it makes no sense whatsoever to pay that man for three,

effing million dollars a year. No sense under any. Here's to my problem with it. And then I'll stop.

Give me one example. I need one bit of evidence that this guy at the point guard position has made a teammate better. Give me, yes, he helped John Collins rim run. Yes, he helped Clint Coppala rim run. Neither one of those fucking guys are still with the hawks. He didn't help them like, you know, fixed in their careers with the hawks. And he was just in a situation where they had the number one overall pick in the draft and they had a real young stud in jail in Johnson and tray couldn't

coexist with those guys. For whatever the reason was stylistically, whatever the vision is, whatever Quinn Snyder's offense was, it didn't work there. So that's a lot of money for a project by which I mean, projecting your two minutes you took two and a half done. It was horrible. It was a grigist. It was a crime against the wizards. And I don't know, this would be the only reason that I wouldn't want to go to a wizard's game next year. And tray eggs not, obviously not a bad

player, but I just think we did this when you did Bradley Bill and Bradley Bill was coming off a good season when you gave him the dumb contract. tray on was coming off the season where his team gave him away. And the vicious history of this, where it's like, we'll try young shows the wizards. He did, who wanted a trade for him, not one person. How's that I have this friend at CA Kyle who's

relatively powerful? And we were texting, I'm like, you guys, why did you do that to the wizards?

Why did you write that? Yeah, we're congratulating him. Like, you somehow you found the sucker at the poker table. Just hilarious stuff anyway. They read that team house. Who's the leader?

“That's what we were speculating about. I was just like, I can see, I don't want to speculate too much”

here, but I mean, I can see AJ and tray being at odds at some point. They like that of the ball. I just, I'm just wondering who we're, that seems like a lot of personalities that I could see. Well, the biggest problem with tray is he's this three point curry look like three point chitter, but the threes don't go in. He's the reason point off the ball. Yeah, that's the thing. Since it, the threes go in, but he's been, you know, low 30s now for three years. Well, he's going to

set up tray Johnson's going to have nothing but open looks. He's going to be, this is the master facilitator version of tray young, that one of the all-time leading assists guys by, you know, per game. This is true. He did lead the league in assists in recent memory. We were going to do a poll for, do you think the wizard's made a mistake with the tray young contract? But Netflix said we couldn't do polls where it's 100%. Yes, they made a mistake. They wanted us to have polls where

people had two votes. Another winner. So we mentioned that earlier at Utah, they take Peter's sin. We'll see how this turns out. Obviously, the ceiling of this is the highest of all these guys. On paper, and it didn't really fully cement itself until they actually took them. And he was

George Peterson. So you're starting five. Ace Bailey is your six man. They have sense about, they have some good pieces. They have an owner who's going to spend money. And you could see how they would have talked themselves into, like, this is actually who's it would be an awesome pick for depth and maybe he's the best guy in the draft. But if we hit with Peterson, this is like the missing piece for us. We could be like a six seed next year. So what, what do we expect from him

next year, Kyle Man? I mean, he could average over 20 next year, I think, for sure. That's definitely wonderful. Yeah, I think so. He's like, I mean, you can't say he's one of the generational scoring talent. And then not, kind of, I mean, I think he could definitely do that. He's not 20 mess games, right? 20 points. 20 points again. Okay. I did, he and Keon say I think are the biggest question about just how to those guys find kind of a synergy together. But man, just the shooting

“on a one through five, shooting on that team. I mean, that's what's right for eight years when”

everybody on your team and a playoff series can shoot. How's did you have a moment with him where maybe maybe like a 1 a m, you cheated on AJ and you looked at some YouTube clips and watched a little Darren Peterson. You started thinking about it. Just your engagement ring off for a turnaround. Wow. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I'm married, super happily married. I just wear one either. Not a ring. I love it. I lost three. I'm like three.

I didn't do there. I lost three. I lost three. I wore it three, three. I lost three different ones anyway. But I did start with the idea of a, I will say I did Darren Peterson and I had a like 24 hours. You had a fling. We had 24 hours for 24 hours. I mean, I took a look. I was like, maybe I, I didn't do it. He was like, Kobe. I didn't give enough. I don't think I gave this guy enough.

“Credit. I need to think about this a little bit. It really was the movie list. That's what”

really pushed me like, he's a deep thinker. It's the most important thing today. Yeah. I like to

understand. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this would be really fun. Look. Great coach table owner. He goes with willhardy. Goes with a stable ownership franchise. Goes with a really thirsty fan base. A fan base that has been there for a long long time since they moved there in the 80s. Has had some, you know, really good moments. May two finals in 97, 98 had a nice almost run there with Williams and Booser. And then the Mitchelgo Bear thing just never really played out. But they've been, once a decade,

they've been relevant. And they were obviously the most relevant with Mulan and Stockton. But that's a really, really starving fan base that will show up in big ways. So that might be great. I will say this guy, man. Danny H. Really awesome track record with taking a leak guys. And if he likes Peterson, that makes me feel a lot better about Peterson as weird as it sounds. Right. This is the same guy that took the rain over or wanted to take the rain over road.

And like he, I think he hones in on start talent in a unique way. And obviously likes this guy.

So I think that's a great sign for the Jess. He's never going to cower from like, oh,

go, you're going to be able to handle, you know, unless it's just like a, are there examples of just totally, you guys had him for a long time bill. I mean, you know, the track record could really well. Is there a god that he ever was scared away from? Like, it's just not worth it. Even the, you told us the right way. Yeah. He would take like the JR get in types of the super talented screw up types just because they had talent. Like, he kind of couldn't resist those guys. He always saw the

talent. So with this, you have talent work ethic. Oh, a bunch of things. So you talk, I don't know, this would be a good Netflix poll. Could you tell me a playoff team next year? How's do you think could you see them as one of the top eight seeds next year? They'd say even see the ability or

“not? You're basically saying that they're going to replace Phoenix. I think that's how you get there.”

And at least on paper, like the talent is there. The way more talented. Like, not even close. See, the enormous unknown is like, what's will hearty capable of? Like, how can this all come together

with this team actually trying to win? And it feels like we might have the answer in the first

10 games of the season. Like, you said that you think that Peterson's going to start. I think it's fine to bring them off the bench. But let Ace start. Either way, it doesn't really matter. But it's kind of an embarrassment of riches and a really fascinating challenge for them. But the West is so good. And it's Portland and Phoenix that they're going to be competing with. Right, and Portland, we still has a chance to get better. We'll see the Phoenix. The Netflix audience

thinks Utah should take computers in six to nine percent on that. Well, John, you mentioned

any sort of kinship with, you know, Richard Kimball the way he's in a bus, his, you know, his college

season is like a bus crash. And it's rolling down the hill and he miraculously escapes it as it explodes. And still gets taken number two. Do you think there's like, maybe superior? Dave's beard. That's his hair. Yeah, it starts out. I mean, there was one game where he told the coach, it was not a big game. Like, 15 minutes before the game. I'm not going. Yeah. That was when I've got really concerned. Look, the talent's there. We've talked about it a bunch on the pod. There's no question. If you're

going to pick who is coming in the week in the last 30 years, who's looked the most like young Kobe, you would pick Peterson. There's red flags out of that mechanic door. I don't know how it's

“going to play out. I'd be hesitant to make a prediction. But I will say this is the best scenario. I think”

for him. It's going to be far away in the Pacific Northwest, set where there's no, that's been

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fifth product availability varies by region exclusions may apply. Winners and losers. We got to hit Memphis. Shout out to her guy, Vernon. Vernon was at a draft party. He said the entire city was

“rooting for who's her. No, no disrespect to Peterson, but I think I think that cities had a little”

bit of a roller coaster ride the last few years with unreliable guys. And it was basically looking

forward to a guy who you could just come into the league and pencil in for 2011 every year for the next 12 years of his career. He actually sent me the video. The crowd exploded at the draft party when Peterson went number two. So this is like a classic Memphis guy. This is the Gritton Gringle Grizzlies. He would have fit right in. You have him and Booser. I mean, him and coward. It may be maybe ED. Well, I think I like Wells. Well, yeah, they had a bunch of dudes. And I think you just

tell him coming out of the gate if if Jock calls you to go out and celebrate the pick. Tell him tell him you you have the sniffles and maybe get out of that one. What do you think of Booser, Memphis Kyle? I think it's going to be great. I mean, like you said, he fits their sort of organizational identity, you know, from the past, but he also, you know, they're big on analytics. They're big on efficiency and winning players and things like that. So he checks both boxes and I feel like whenever

“we say Gritton Gringle, I think sometimes we say we make it sound like, you know, we're prioritizing”

that overscale, over everything. We're just going to call you to death. It's like Booser plays that way, but and he has all those things, but he's just kind of like a modernized version of his dad. I heard Legular say Kevin love that was something we had in the guy that's something that I've thought for a while that he's he's just got all these kind of intangible skills that he can, you know, he can space it if they want to play him and Zach Edy together. I think he'll make him like camp Spencer,

he'll make camp Spencer and said her coward better with his passing so they can work off the ball. It's a great fit, man. And it's it's organizational mouthwash. Like we were saying, you know, on if Peterson had been there at three, you think they even would have taken him like what they, you know, it's such an opportunity. Maybe you know, pass it up, but I think this is the outcome that they all wanted, you know, I asked Bernou earlier in the night. I was like, I mean,

is that who in resounding, yes, they want to Booser and they got him? Would have been an interesting one house if Booser goes to Naive Wilson, who is the most midfacy kind of guy ever. Like that's a classic, couldn't try harder, great kid. Like would have fit in with all the different teams they had, would they have done that or would they have rolled the dice. Then later house, they deal 16 for 17 and two seconds. So, okay, so you can take

Bennett starts, which is the most predictable moment of the night. And then they go backwards from 17

ready to stand on my couch and applaud because I think they're going to take final on

and they took Lopez. So, I did not stand up on my couch and applaud. I'm going to give them both a winner for picking up five seconds to move five picks backwards. But let me ask you a question.

“Okay, I think I don't understand. I thought when they picked four to Troy, when they took a”

quarry for Detroit, I thought he would be an awesome guy for that and young nucleus that they have going in Memphis. What do you think the thought process was? Not taking a point card? Yeah. The thought process probably there's stuck with John Merit, and they didn't want to bring in another point. I don't think they have a landing spot for him. That's kind of a similar profile to Merin, except a quarry. A quarry is super downhill, but he

just leans scoring more than playmaking than job. But I mean, yeah, it would have been really fun. I think he would have been a nice change of pace from the size and the grinding kind of thing that they're going to have going on. Just an interesting off-speed pitch in the way that Mara is going to be for OKC, who I don't know if we're going to we'll park get them in a minute, but yeah, I thought it would have been really fun. If people who haven't seen him, I mean,

he's just like ultimate jitter bug. I always say he's like, if an NFL kick returner was playing

point guard, like you just can't you can't stay in front of him, and you can't grab on to him. He's just he's grease lightning with the last one as ants. He was one of the guys I was praying. Wow, I was praying for the one of those guards to fall to the south exit 27. Anerson, Fylon, a quarry like just one of them, just hoping that there was a run on other positions, and sometimes guys get shoved down. And it started to happen with Fylon, because it felt like

if he didn't fill it in, take them and really felt like the next couple of teams wouldn't have taken him. And that, but sometimes that happens, but that never really happens. What were you going to say,

“House? Just I think it was a sneaky good pick by Detroit.”

A quarry. Yeah. Another and help them. Yeah, you know what they needed? Somebody who could create a shot breed in April, in May, and maybe even June. Well, great times for Memphis, they end up with a third pick that don't win the lottery that might have gotten the best guy. House that you, you'll root for Booser, but you don't want him to be too good, right? You're hoping he's like a solid A minus. I'm rooting for all of those guys. It's such a good

draft. Yeah, I don't even want you to be better than AJ. Just admit it, House. No, it's all situational. It's going to be impossible to parse who, you know, we'll see, we'll see, like, from the raw offensive talent, you know, we'll be able to judge some, but like Peterson's

going to look incredible in Utah. So, I'm prepared for that right away in the same manner that

Dylan Harper looked absolutely bonkers, but remember Dylan Harper played in the G league this season.

“Like, he wasn't right away. I think we screwed that up. I think Carter branded. I'm not sure”

Harper did. We met. I might have figured that up and now you took my screw up. Oh, well, I, there was extended stretches. He was not getting minutes. There was no, that is true. Yes, stretches where he couldn't get on the floor. And then there was clear that they were doing something in terms of, of the work, but the, the, the, wow, he was a slow, slow burn. It's, I don't think that's going to be the case with Peterson. I think we're going to see him right away. I have

another winner. This is a quick one. The next being a defending champion at the NBA draft. It was weird. Was that how we hit fans, they celebrated the title multiple times. The next were on the clock. Everybody was cheering. They showed the trophy. It was just happy. Nobody was booing. They weren't showing Spike Lee looking like he was ready to have six drinks. They weren't booing the pick. You didn't see Nick fans just ready to be angry. Like, the jet fans are at

every draft. It was just, just happiness coming. Did you wonder for a minute if the booing would continue? Or, you know, if you have it? And they're just that they won. And, you know, that would be just like a nice soothing bomb on there on their bad feelings. I wonder if they'd boo, so we're going to, of course, they immediately booed in when he came out. Yeah. They did move the San Antonio spurs, which I enjoyed. All right. I'm bouncing around. We haven't gotten

this coffee up. We'll get to them because I needed a loser. Um, loser number 10, Brandon Burris, who I love probably one of my three favorite guys in a draft. Could have gotten drafted by Dallas and played with Cooper Flag at number nine in Kyrie and just been in meaningful basketball games right away with a bunch of role players. You could have fallen to 11 and joined Steph Curry, one of the 10 or 12 greatest course of all time on their last run of relevance with two

years with Steve Kerr and Dremon and maybe LeBron go in there and the whole thing he could have

He gets drafted by the bucks, attend the crappy bucks, the all-time mediocre. There's never been

a more likely 31 win team than this bucks team. And now he has to fight for shots with a bunch

“of guys on their team. And I just got bummed out, Kyle. I think the good thing about Burris,”

though, is that I don't know that he'll necessarily be bummed about that because he's just such a quality like fits in wherever he is. I mean, it's a missed opportunity for him. Can I be from far? You're welcome to do that. Yeah, I'll permit that. He's, yeah, I mean, he missed out on being in a more fun basketball environment in the in the short term, obviously. I think for that you can clearly see the thinking for the bucks, though, it's just like they don't necessarily, you know,

hope they're not thinking they know they have a centerpiece right now. They're still going to try to figure out what their direction is and taking somebody that Burris will fit into whatever they choose to do, you know, and then they took aim at what their other pick has sort of an upside swing. But I thought he made sense for them to pick because he's just going to be around for whatever happens. Yeah. And that, that's one of the things with this draft house. I feel like 20

years ago, they take aim at 10. And Burris falls to the worst at 11. And then we spend the next five years going, are you fucking kidding me? How does this happen? But no, the bucks wisely were like, you know, who should take the guy who's by far the best player in the spot right now. So now Burris has to go to this, we're a team. If he gets a text that says Kevin Porter Jr. and Calcouz, but we want to take you to dinner tomorrow night. Again, I'd go with sniffles, maybe some bronchitis.

Maybe some tonitis, maybe with two concerts, your ears were hertics right here. Did you

“were you surprised that the mavericks did not take them because they took Mores Johnson instead?”

All of that whole situation with Dallas changed, I think, in in a pretty dramatic way. The dusty may thing. Yeah. Yeah. Like look at that situation that presents itself. And the most interesting thing is dusty may got to choose his favorite, who he thought was going to be most impactful at the pro level. And he chose Mores. Here's the best part about that house. He can also say he didn't choose it. Now, of course. No, you're absolutely right. Yeah,

so I just got the job. They were already locked in a Mores. Obviously, I told them, he's a great kid, but, you know, I can't, I just got hired. I can't come in and start telling these guys what to do. Like, I just got hired a week ago, but you know, he probably was like, yeah, because everything, and this is why we all love them Kyle. Like, this was just the classic, these are the guys that would fall in the draft 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago,

just the heartbeat of a great team in college, the engine, all the quotes about him,

or it's like, we could never have a bad practice because of this guy. Every time we needed to pick

up in a game, he'd do something. He was relentless, the most competitive mother fucker on the planet. All the stuff you want to hear, all things that we discounted for years and years, and then finally started listening to, but you were, you were a little more down on him and the draft guide than where, where would you land on him? Like, we used nine teams. I ended up with Mara's at 13. So, I mean, I was like, out there before head. Yeah. Um, no, I mean, the argument there for him,

he's really young, too. I think people should keep that in mind. Like, Mara's played a year of college. They'll know he and went and played like Fiba, you 19 with like AJ and Mike Hill Brown and those guys. So he's really, uh, had a year, so he's he's young for, for a college sophomore, and, um, just really dogged. I mean, and I think that, uh, Cooper being there and, and making, like, the playmaking progress that he made, and then you got Kyrie coming back, we're going to

we don't totally know what's going to happen with that. Because you were thinking maybe they'd make a swing at, like, a playmaker type guy there, but you talked about it that, like, I think the conventional wisdom has just kind of evolved over the years, where you would just see teams get

“the top 10 and be like, it's this illusion of being in the top 10 that makes you feel like you have to”

be in this mindset of, like, well, we're here. We got to, like, take this chance on an upside pick, right? It's like, and the upside picks year to year can be, like, pretty volatile. They can be huge risks. And you'll see teams take the swing at those guys and end up with, like, a Kevin Knox or

somebody, like, oh, you get tantalized, like, always inefficient, but I'm tantalized. And the

safer thing to do is to take the dude who can switch one through five, like Mara's Johnson, who's a winner who's going to be on your team. He's not going to be a star, but it's a, it's a safe smart pick. I like it. Yeah. I think it's good. I told you, I did this exercise. I went through the last five drafts and tried to separate the guys based on studs, playoff guys, or just wild cards. And wild cards can be upside or small guards or shooters. And the playoff guys year after year, like,

in last year's draft, it was Cedar Coward, Murray Boyle's Carter Brown and Hugo, were the four

that have energy, they bring some sort of skill set that seems to matter when it gets to April and May. In 24, the playoff guys were, your guys saw house, I can't give him a stud, but he's, you know, baby surge a baca in the red situation, better surge a baca, clinging, AJ Mitchell, Jared McCain, bail or shiremen, right? So again, like, no like small offense for shooting guards, no kind of upside guys. These are just dudes that play. And then the year before that was Kamaura,

case on Wallace, Hacca's, Derek Lavley and Podzemski, as like your playoff guys. So I look at Morris and I'm just like, he just feels like he's in those three classes. I just, I can just see him in a playoff series. Everybody seen the thing, okay, see, was either going to take him or trade up if they didn't feel like they could get him at 12. And I do wonder if they've infected the thinking of these teams a little bit. Back to Milwaukee though, I had as a loser, the honest trade already,

24 hours later, which I didn't like yesterday when we did the urgent gathering podcast. I usually like to get a blue chipper when I'm trading one of the best 25 parts of all time. One of the things

“they got was the 13th pick in the draft. And they took Nate Amen, who I think was the most polarizing”

guy at these first 15 classic, he hits, I don't want to be mean about somebody who's 20, but hits

the draft checklist of, well, he didn't shoot last year, but he's a good shooter. Well, he struggled now they're down the end of last year, but he was injured. You could see the ups, it's all like upside and not stuff if you actually watch the games and you're just like, what is this guy? Is he Brad Sellers? So what is this guy? Bill, Bill, this was like he got fouled a lot. He stuck his nose in there. It was just kind of, it was like just talking about the coaches kid. I mean, I do

think there's something there, it's just a matter of where you what level of investment you want to put in him. I mean, I was lower on him than consensus. I ended up with him at 20 just because of where I was comfortable with that. I mean, I heard some money on another MBA show said that he

“reminded him of Perry Jones the third, which is kind of honestly the way people used to talk about”

Perry Jones. He'd be like, oh, so big. Watch him move. Oh, my gosh. You just get caught up with these hypothetical vortexes where you're like, oh, the hypotheticals, man. I'm like, no, I kind of would like to see something not hypothetical at some point, but he's like, SNAC. It's like he's guy was a streaky shooter and he's just not comfortable with the rim. It's like, maybe you can kind of develop him into like a solid role player. I don't know if it'll be a star, but I think role

players would aim at first. At least what SNAC is he rebounds, right? He's got one skill that

could be like, well, at least it is that, right? I don't, I don't know if they, amen, I think the Perry Jones thing is a really good, it's a really good one. There's so many of those guys house. Why do we still feel like we had way more of those guys than the 90s and the 2000s? We probably did. Maybe just the whole infrastructure for you, the basketball is just better now, but listen, maybe it'll happen. I don't know, but he set off a lot of red flags for me. My favorite

though, about the honest trade, Shams who seems to really want to make it work for the bucks that this trade was a good trade. When it was, as I said yesterday, this is a trade you make when you want to keep your job and everyone else's job in the front office for another three years. Just a lot of picks that are out in the future. You're sort of rebuilding. You have these guys that you might keep your trade and at no point does anybody look at you and say, well, why aren't we

“better? We just traded for J. Limbrown. Shouldn't we have 50 wins? Why do we have 30?”

Shams said at one point they're in the draft. The calls are continuing to come in for the Milwaukee bucks for their guys. Find this hard to believe. I actually literally heard the opposite that the calls were going out from the Milwaukee bucks asking if anybody was excited about this.

Has you never gave your thoughts on the podcast about the Miami on a straight?

I, my first reaction was, wow, this is a rare, loose, loose trade. We don't get a lot of those in the NBA. Now, from Miami, Miami had to do it because what else was there? I didn't like that for that. It is yawness. I'm being a little frustrated. I get it from that side, yeah. I get it from exactly right. But like, okay, great job. They moved up from being the playing intent team to the fifth best team of these. Which do you think Kyle? You think they moved that high?

I mean, that this is the conversation to be had, right? You're factoring in five seed. You're saying

All of their top six guys are going to play 70 games because they can't afford for any of those guys

to miss 15 or 20 games here or there. Well, even when we did the podcast, they were like, well, they'll bring Norm Powell back. And then today, it's like, yeah, Norm Powell's not coming back. They don't have enough benefit in your pan. So we'll say, they can patch it together. But

“if you can, would you think, Kyle? Defensively, I think they could be pretty interesting.”

Yeah, I mean, they're going to have to work their magic in the margins and finding guys, though. I mean, because you're going to, you're going to need some more, you know, you're going to need some more shooting. I mean, but that's kind of their specialty. They pull those guys just out of nothing. Like, they find them to target them. And there's a few guys in this draft, I think, that they could go target. But I'll be, I'll be interested to see if

they climb as high as five. I mean, yawness being on your team automatically makes you dominate

in some capacity. And he's always something you got to deal with. So you guys might be right.

I might be a little on the cynical side. I'm just sad for the walkie fans. The Milwaukee fans deserve the end of yawness to be better than it turned out. They got bummed that blown out of the playoffs two years ago. They got blown out of the playoffs. Or three years ago, two years ago, then didn't think the playoffs blew us here. Yeah, I just, it's a bummer. And it went thing I forgot to say yesterday. And I wish I had been harder on this part of history. You know,

they shouldn't trade yawness a year ago. Would you cover down many parts? I should have said yesterday. Not only did that trade yawness a year ago, they went all in with that milestone or hail Mary that involved stretching Dan Moord for 22 million a year all the way through this decade. And now they're just trading yawness for way less than they probably could have gotten. Another loser. It's 2,026 guys. The NBA still has to do this thing. We're in teams make a trade,

but then somebody's on the clock and they make the pick. But we just found out five minutes ago that the pick got traded. Why can't we figure this out, Kyle? Why not? How hard is this? We have everybody in the desk just said they flip 16 for 17. It's not, it's okay see in the clock at 16. Now, Memphis takes Bennett starts. No, they're taking them for okay see. We just heard that why do we have to do this? Is there like some kind of legality thing there where they can like speculate

about it on the broadcast, but on the NBA, like can't officially say it, is it like house? Is it something more strict like that? Or what is it? Well, they have to, I'm sure there's a process for submitting the trade and the trade has to be approved by the league office and until that's done, you know, no trade is official, so. How if they could do whatever they want to land. It's a fucking league, they can make the other things. Speaking of doing anything, you can you can

you can vote on Netflix right now, whether you think yawness, whatever make the finals in Miami.

“Not even when the finals make the finals. What would you take the end that house?”

No chance, no chance. Oh, yeah, no chance. Zero. Never say never, but unlikely.

Can we talk about how it should not be two nights? Again, don't, do you not miss the one night experience because the second round's so bad? Like, isn't it a waste of everybody's time to do it in what like in two nights? I just, I want to go back to one. I, I have always wanted it to be, especially after having done the draft couple years, just the first 14 picks and take 10 minutes between picks. Oh, I love that. That way, they can have, this is my next loser. By the way,

the Lisa Salters interviews, when there's real basketball shit going on. Who are these four? Who are four? Who are they four? They do a set with the freaking living room. What the fuck is that for? Kyle, what does this moment mean to you? It means a lot. I just got drafted. It's so many photos of me. It's really, really cathartic stuff. There's real basketball shit. Like, the Quippers took, you know, waggler at five and it's okay. Now what's going to happen with these next

four picks and we, it's just, I just feel like everybody watching this draft cares about the basketball stuff, not the, not the family stuff. Can we just some more in the weed? Like, maybe not too far in the weeds, but just can we get a little more like what's this going to look like on court? Like, go to the screen. Show us a quick. Two channels. They'd ABC in that ESPN and somehow they had Lisa Salters. I'm both of them doing interviews. Pick one. Have ABC be the

one my wife would watch because she likes the interviews. I want to know all the mechanics of the draft as it's happening at Lannas on the clock at number eight. It's like, are they going to

“trade this? There's just been rumors all week that they might trade this. Who would trade it?”

What are the candidates? Could they trade this right now for trade Murphy? But no, we had to, we had to interview there, say, confidence, family. And I just don't know who that's for. I don't get it. What's up? What's up? Back at the envelope, math guys name. We could have that feed where they go to him and he just for 30 seconds shows you like the analytics or the, oh, correct. Yeah,

So you're quite, indeed. Good news, guys. The calls are continuing to come in for

“bucks, where the funds are just ringing. Yeah, did you just got a cruise recall?”

Winner, it was Samsonite, the luggage company. Oh, the bags are packed. The votes came into for Yannas and 87% of people watching this said, no, he will not make the final. So my, sorry, Miami. Winner. Darius Ackuff going to Sacramento is he the most fun Sacramento King we've ever had. What's your top three house? Well, see when they were, they were so chocolate. Yeah, I mean, sit like dude. Yes, I mean, Mitch Richmond. Oh, sure. Sure. Yes. Would you put buggy at that era?

That Doug Christie was an endless source of the music. That Christie wasn't fun. Yeah. Yes, he was. Why if he was. No, sure, if it wasn't fun. Interdaining to talk about. Sure was Doug Christie and apparently fun is kind of, I don't know about that point. I'll face another way. Who is the best league pass guy? We've had the, I've had league pass since 2000 or 2001. Who's the best league pass guy they've ever had? Chris White chocolate end of story, right? I mean, that run that run like early

basketball internet where they were the, like the clips we could watch the top 10. I was joke about this. The white chocolate is a problem versus what it was like to just watch white chocolate for 82 games. But that was pretty weird. That was pretty weird. That was pretty wide spread league pass. So perception was reality. And I was seeing those clips and I was like, he's great. I didn't realize he was not great for years. It was a long time. There's a chance. A cuff is just absolutely awesome

on the kings and everyone in Sacramento is going to be wearing a cup jerseys. I'm all in. How soon I have been all in really for the entire college. Well, I absolutely loved him. He checks every box for me, including it's not perfect because he's not gigantic. He might get picked on defensively. He's going to a franchise that has had been living under a ladder and has black cats on the front door when you walk in and every sort of bad luck broken mirrors everywhere and every sort of

bad luck thing you can have. I just think the kids got it and we'll talk about one team that passed up on them. But Kyle, are you as on the scale of one to 10 where you compared to being

“house? How's an error 10? I think the framing of how I like a cuff is maybe a little different.”

Then I don't know what you all are envisioning for him. But I thought of him. If you're writing

him as you're like primary offensive star who's just always got the ball on his hands and you're

living in dying with what he does in the half court. I don't love that as much as I like him as like a very, very good game manager guy who can hit open shots, who can bring stability. Lower nose, Sacramento Kings could use that in all facets. I mean, it's funny. It's almost been 10 years ago since they took Fox. That was the last time that they took a promising guard who was you know, bright kid and everything. I'm with him as not necessarily like this at our whole solar system

revolves around this guy. I think he's probably better as like your third star. I think if you're going to build a team like a high level team. How's could he be as good as Kyrie in your opinion? I have a different comp for him that I felt this this way for a long time. I really feel like he's

“a second coming of Dame. I feel like he's Dame 2.0 and I love that that's what I'm going to steal”

it. 44% from three as a freshman in Bucky College and could just they weren't easy three's volumes. There were open trees. Yeah. He didn't play. I live as three. He passed the ball. He was the only dude on that that team. That team was Yeah Kitty sex. They were athletic, but they didn't have anybody. He's not like 51% on catching shoots and he barely got it. That's enough. I think Dame's way better.

The Kyrie is always a king. No, there might be the with the Kyrie part that your mind's been

of is just either hand-staying and traffic. Because the bill did just finish at these weird goofy angles. I don't think Dame could do that. Dame came in in the league after I think it was 22 and was good right away. But it took him I would say three years. I remember I had a really bad playoff series in 2015. It gets Memphis. Took him a couple of years to then go up that next level. I feel like gate cuffs going to be further along as younger too. But I like the Dame thing. To me

that's the motto of like could he be a 25 points of game like 25 and 7 has the ball lot. Maybe you need some extra offense next to him, but that would be what I see Kyle. When did Dame at the game set the series winner was that 14 or something? It was later. It was I think the 17 range. It was at the KD left okay see. So anyway, the kings who you know have been or probably the biggest

I'm excited for their fans. I don't know if this was a winner or a loser. But the Warriors,

it seemed like Joe Lake up had an argument with Mike Thumbly in the draft party. It might not have been. I'm just seeing what I said on social media, but I thought that was pretty funny. Winner. Kyle, you love this one. The spurs of 20. The drafted year guy. You've been writing for somebody. Why don't you tell us about him? Jane Quentin was like a pretty highly regarded prospect. He went to Arizona State last year and everybody that watched his tape from Kentucky this year.

I've had people be like, oh you're just it's just Kentucky. I'm like he barely played for Kentucky. It's like it really is not that. All of his tape is four years on a state. He was 17 years old and was defensively just ridiculously dominant. I just think that I had this thought process during the playoffs. He's probably if he's healthy. That's the big question. Is that's the thing that happened between now? And when he was dominant Arizona State has he, you know, towards ACL came back

to early. There's some like real-like time-lord kind of worry about like is this gonna keep happening

“with him? But if he's right, I think that he could net out where he could be as high as like five”

in the straft in like a few years now because he's that defensively special. In my opinion and that people have worried about his offense, but I'm just like the student dunks everything. We don't worry about what Mitchell Robinson does around the basket and like he screens and he dunks everything. He's so gorgeous. You tweeted this one and in May, you tweeted how he'd be the perfect guy for the spurs. I'm a month ago. I mocked him to the spurs and one of our mocks because I was like,

I didn't have any to tell. I was just like, I think this just makes a lot of sense. It just fits their brain in terms of the type of kiddie is to little softspoken, pretty bright kid plays chess. He's a big chess player. And then yeah, after one game during the playoffs when OQC beat the spurs, I was like, they need acquaintance, they need direct waitings. They played, would you a rather, would you rather drafted him or a head coach? What a set. So rude. Why'd you make me make that

joke? He texted me to set you up with that. Now he didn't tell. Listen, Mitch Johnson's a great coach. None of that finals was his fault except for the 43 things that happened that were part of the coach. The whole and all the same. The team is the first time together. Johnson went to play him. They're all young. All I know is we house and I made fun of Rick Adam and during college and then after the college. By the way, RIP Rick Adam and he's he's

he's all a family. No, he was great. But we would always get mad about his game management.

And Mitch Johnson's game management was a hundred times worse than all the stuff we had with him or done leavey or some of the other coaches we used to make fun of.

“He's a young. He's young. That whole thing I chalked up. But I think Quentin is absolutely”

perfect because, you know, it solves a lot of the defensive challenges that this team. They just need, they need, they still need size, which is a very weird thing to say with Wembe, who cares whether or not Quentin's can score. It doesn't matter. You're not worried about. You have a year with them, too. Yeah. They have, I think Carter Bryan's going to play for the next year. By the way, they, Netflix did a poll for his dareys, they cuffed the most fun

King's rookie. Basically ever in 50% said yes. Kegan Murray had a lot of buzz when they, when

they brought him in more fun than Kegan Murray. Come on. But I'm saying the buzz around the Kevin Nassie and then he arrived there. There was a big excitement. Exciting. One more cutting. Yeah. One more winner before we go to break. Darrell Murray trades Jared McCain for pick 22 and three seconds. And then Jared McCain goes to OKC and does really well there. And it's, I think one of the reasons Darrell Murray gets fired. Well, Philly with 22 takes Fylon, who is one of

“my favorite guys in the draft. I think he's been vindicated. Great trick. She's like that. Love it.”

McCain is declining asset. He just turned him into Fylon and two more years at a rookie contract. Let's go Darrell. Somebody hire him. I had it on good authority that they wanted final last year that they might have promised him last year. So, Darrell's, the Darrell's vision fulfilled. And he has a Darrell juice behind him. Darrell's. Darrell juice. Do you like Fylon too much or like because the knock on him is too skinny and there's a whole weight limit thing with

point yards where if you go below 175 pounds, people get concerned. I don't care. I was a little more leaning towards the hornets taking him. I thought that's who they should have

another dude who's a great, uh, drill pull-up shooter fits their brand. But I thought Acuff is a

tougher player. I got thought that he would be a better fighter. Fylon. Yeah. Yeah. I thought the Fylon would fit with the hornets better. I was surprised I didn't tell you. I agree. I thought every pick after 14 hours ready for him to go. And guess what? House. Now he goes to 22. He goes to Philadelphia, a city that takes everything personally and hates everybody else. And he's going to have a giant chip on a shoulder. It's going to fit right up. It's going to be a great situation for him.

“All jokes aside. I think that with that back court and you know what they're playing all of them together.”

Yeah. Let's do it. All right. We have a lot more to get to. We're going to take one more break.

It's like going to be a little bit longer when we have time to look at Twitter for two minutes.

But we're going to take a break and come back with the rest of the winners and losers. And now for a special part of today's episode where we're going to be talking about the superior matches teams and players of FIFA World Cup 26 brought to you by Miklovach or the official beer sponsor of FIFA World Cup 26 and a superior light beer. So let's get into the moments that stood above the rest and made a superior level of impact that we so far. We're still pretty early

in the World Cup. My MVP's right now. Messy has to be number one. Already legend already probably lead in the go combo had five goals in two games. Mr. Pendantekek to make it a little

“interesting in the second game that he played but was so great to watch so special. And”

I was thinking he might have the highest approval rate of any athlete at any sport right now. Who doesn't like Messy? If somebody said they didn't like Messy, he would look at them like they were staring at you cross-eyed or something. It's an insane opinion. Everyone loves Messy. That's it.

This just reinforced that. So that's one. Second one for me, Team USA, which threw its hat in the ring

as a perennial power. It's not perennial because it's first time it's happened in 2010 that it sounds really good that it's a perennial power. But yeah, this is the first time we've actually thought that an American team could make maybe the final eight, maybe even the final four as crazy as that sounds since 2010 since Donovan with the Algeria goal and it's been a long 16 years really ever since. And now hope again. Very exciting. To the point they're playing their third world cup game,

they can rest most of their starter. So that's been great. Third thing for me, Alexi Lallis, great job getting everybody talking about the box studio show. Good job. People are talking about it. Fourth one, the African nations. You have Baracko, Egypt, Ghana, Cape Verde, and D.R. Congo, all probably making the final 32. I think the record before was three, but I just watched today. I watched Ghana tie England eight. They parked the bus, which as somebody who's been

involved in a lot of youth in high school and college soccer watching over the years, it's mostly annoying when teams parked the bus. But in this case, Ghana did a really good job. They needed to tie. They parked the bus. They knew what they were doing. And they got out of it. Now they're going to make around 32. So just cool though to see like this entire continent, kind of make their presence felt, especially with the extra teams. So you have that goals. We have more teams, which, you know,

there's six to eight teams that probably have no business whatsoever being in the world cup,

“but it has led to more goals. It's led to you can do parlaze, where you have to have two goals in”

a game with somebody else. Have two goals in a game. All kinds of fun things. Who doesn't love goals? As we keep going in the world cup and the games get better and better. It's going to be a lot of one, nothing, a lot of two one. You're going to miss some of these goals. Ronaldo, that's been fun. Is he washed up? Well, he scored two goals today against a team that wasn't good, but he had two goals. But it's fun to watch somebody just just trying to hold on who doesn't have it anymore. Who

can identify with that? And then last but not least for me, just out of the early stuff, it really looks like we're getting France versus Germany in the round of 16. I like when we have roll cup matchups that also feel like they could have been any sort of major conflict that we've had in the world in the last 400 years. France, Germany just feels weighty, it feels important, it feels like that's a game that should be in the finals. Now, we're going to get it in the round of 16 and it's

going to be awesome and we're going to get a Bapé and a very, very fun France team who if I had to pick right now, I'm leaning toward Argentina just because of Messi and just because they play so great together, but France would be the other one. I think those would be my two and not hot takes because

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look at the top-lundered high school class of all the high school guys who then just got drafted, which is the Bonsa class. And if you go back, the Bonsa was one. Peter Sim was two and Booser was three. Wow. Start there. Can you guess who the number four pick was? He was somebody taking

in the first 20 picks. Let us guess, because I followed this stuff. Oh, you are a guy, man,

probably knows the answer. We're in the top 20. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm scrolling through super fast. Have some. Amen. Amen. Amen. That would be my guess. Have cheated. No, I was vicious. I had the dress up. I have this, I have the draft. How was it? Made. Amen. It was fourth. Some trackpad action over there. I was suspicious of. Because I'm looking at the draft. Caleb Wilson fifth. And number six, the Celtics pick. Yeah, baby. This is something for Mac.

They used to do in the past with Danny Ames. They would take these dudes that had a weird college year. I don't think he even had a weird college year, but there take somebody that they're basically banking on what he was the year before his college year. I remember they did this with the baby Bradley, because every Bradley was the number one pick in the draft. They took him whatever. A cuff was seven. Brown was eight. Co-op heat was 10. Buries was 12. And we could keep going.

And then King's, King's defundments 22. Can I give you a good, an example of a good version of a guy falling the way that's enacted. This is an example of it working. His Jane McDaniels coming out of high school was a kid who thought the bill was coming. David Gaines was a

kid who basically thought he was Kevin Durant coming out of high school and played. Like he was just

like I'm just a dribble pull of guy at a tall, dribble pull of guy. Something happened to him when he was in between college and the NBA where someone got in his ear was like, hey man, you make a lot more money if you do this. And it got through to him and he turned just the switch flipped and suddenly he's this defensive monster. Senac, I'm just saying there there are many

“paths to being successful. Be the right people around you. So I hope that's what's happened here.”

That's what I told House when when I wanted House to be a competitive eater when he was in law school. And I was like, I know a lot more money eating. I know you can do this, sitting and listening to me. All right. So more winners and losers just quickly. Dusty May we mentioned who gets this Dallas job has Cooper Flag. And then three of his kids get drafted in the top 12. That was pretty fucking cool. Like that. Okay. This is a combo. The Hawks and the Pelkins Hawks

as the winners. Pelkins as the losers. Because they traded their queen for Kingston Fleming's as it turns out. That is the final, final hall on that trade from a year ago. So I'll ask both of you, who would you rather have their queen? Maybe this would be a good Netflix poll, their queen or Kingston Fleming's. Who would you rather have for the next 10 years?

“I was amazed by their queen. So you, you're pro-dera queen. I think it's the way it, it's”

shook out. It's now a closer call. It doesn't excuse the unprotected nature of the pick. There's no excusing that ever on ready circumstances. But having seen their queen play NBA basketball against

I don't, I think he's going to have to be on the right kind of team with the right kind of people around him.

“And that person is that Zion Williamson. But, but I do think, let's see with flimings. What do you think, Kyle?”

Queen was, I mean, they both have issues, right? I mean, when you weigh them, it gets because Kingston's a little small. Derek is like, is he a sinner? You got to put him next, like a stretch five, to board to really work. So there are a lot of kind of caveats to work through. I personally think I think I would lean towards Kingston right now. Just because I think Kingston is going to be additive in that people are like pitting him against these other guys. His like scoring

guards, Kingston is very, very fast. I can get off the ball. I think his shot's going to come around. He's a transition monster. I compared him to like Tyre's max. He's a little bit in transition with his speed. But then, you know, I don't know, I'm still not sure if Queen is going to be like a playoff level guy. Like the defensive stuff just really concerns me. Is the shooting going to come around? Right. Could it be a good stats bad team guy, basically? Can you imagine Queen playing

in like any of the last two series? Like I just kind of feel like they'd go at him every single time.

You know, I like him. The thing I do like about him is he's always excelled wherever he's been.

He's one of those guys, which is like the best part of Canbouza, too. Like wherever he's been, he's been on good teams. He's been the guy. They're putting together a little Netflix poll. We're going to have the, we're going to have the people decide. Flemings are Queen. This would be one of the only polls ever. The Hawks end up with fliminks. They took Zubi, one of my at 23, who was one of my favorite. I thought he, I was hoping he would get to the Celtics. And they used their cap space

to trade for Aaron Wiggins, basically got him for free. And I really like Aaron Wiggins. It wasn't his fault. He was like, please load a team and they resound McCallum. I like where they're at. The one thing they were really missing was somebody like fliming. Flimings like a, you know, a point guard who could guard other team's point guards, who could push the pace. Cray little offense. I like the pick.

“I thought that's who they're going to take. And I still really like Burris. That was the only thing”

I was thinking was could they take him, maybe play him and McCallum together. But I get why they did what they did. So we do have results. Netflix audience, 67% for Derek Queen. There we go. 33% for Flimings. Joe Doomars, vindicated one year later after getting pillored on this podcast. There were us. I mean, people have seen kicks in Flimings play. Yeah. Well, we'll see what that poll looks like in a year. Anyway, good night for the hockey. Good night for the clippers. Who is another winner?

They turned Zubats who, uh, I voted for 132 Mafia couple years ago, but last year it was not playing like it. They turned him into Woglar and a 2020 on pick. They, I thought Burris made a little more sense, but Woglar, the higher upside. And it really seems like Kyle, it feels like that 46 point game against Purdue was a transformative draft pick thing. Even more than the final four, like every time I saw Billis on a show, he was talking about it like he watched a UFO land, like what

this kid did against Purdue? And I watched all the highlights from it. It really was great. He was nine for 11 from three, but that's kind of the, that's the game you point to if you're like, hey, can, can you send me 10 minutes on what this kid's like and you'd send in the Purdue game and be like, this is, this is the best version of that, right? That was an example of a team that Purdue team was especially like not equipped to check a six, six ball screen savvy point guard who has

like crazy dribble pull up like he shot 40% on pull up three's just in pick and roll on pretty high volume. So if you could see did that shot to him, he made it. And that, you know, Purdue had a kid Oscar Kluff who was just kind of this like he kind of looked like a dad and immensely got there. He was good player, but he just, he was not not fleet of foot out there to guard a Keaton Woglar

“and he, he lit them up. So yeah, but overall, I mean, I, I think this pick makes sense because”

I'm, I'm putting less pressure on him and Garland like being on the floor all, you know, together all the time. I think you bring a look to go along a little slow, let Woglar get the

reps with the second unit. We'll play with the starters a little bit and be like the secondary

kind of guy because he's capable of that. Like he's a lot of spot-up chops to so he'll be a spacer for them until he's ready to kind of take more of the car keys. I mean, potentially three, 20 pointy game scores. I'll, here's the big test for Woglar. I'm going to ask House, House, you're in town and I have Cooper tickets. They're not, they're not playing anybody. It's not like Golden State or somebody that we would be like, of course, we're going. It's, it's like a

middle of the road team. It's not Milwaukee either. It's, it's like, uh, it's not Brooklyn, let's say it's like the pistons. Well, you'd be excited to see the pistons. It's, it's like,

it'd be like 45 minutes. This'll be, we'll eat at the game and you get to see Keaton Woglar.

“Are you saying yes or no? Is it going your way from a good, from a good meal? How are we,”

or we could just order it up my house and watch games on the three TVs? Does Keaton Woglar

get you to get in the car and go 45 minutes to the into a dome to go see him? The problem is,

I have really good seats. I haven't been to the into it dome yet. So I would definitely say, yeah, whenever the first time is that I'm there that we can go to a game, we're going to go on a go. It won't matter. But I do, I am interested in whatever this Clippers team ends up being because they're, in the midst of not quite, they're retooling. It's interesting to me. And I love Woglar's like you. The thing I was wondering about, where was he on your high school list? Because he, he didn't

exist. Right. He didn't make the top 150. Right. He had one of the great out of nowhere runs in the history college basketball. Yeah. What about the Stanford kid? The, uh, the point card didn't he also

come out of nowhere? Yeah, not like that. I mean, people knew who he was. Okay. Well, he was going

to Harvard. He was supposed to go to Harvard. So I don't, the thing with Woglar, Woglar, who come Vogue, they're like he's related to Franz Wagner. The thing with Woglar, um, if you're just going ceiling from the fifth pick on, you probably at the highest ceiling, right, Kyle? Like that's somebody that he, like he might be shaped, go to South Zander for all we know. Because if you, if you're talking about just watching, I actually went back and watch Shaz Kentucky his year, like the 50 minute YouTube

clip of Shay, and it's like, you can see the pieces of it. You couldn't see the MVP version of it, but you could see the pieces and the footwork and the two-way game, and he was a better two-way

part than, then Woglar was. But Woglar offensively was way ahead of where Shay was, as I can

tucky, right? Yeah. It's interesting because they're kind of inverted, like, in the way that they are probably like Woglar is all like he's just so methodical, like setting up ball screens to get to his shot, and he can just burrow his way into the mid-range and in college. Shay was the opposite. He was just like, you just uncheckable getting downhill, like he knew he was just lay up master. Well, a lot of different than the way he plays now. Similar to having an upside, I mean, upside at

this spot, the upside, I feel like kind of falls the fell off in terms of the legitimate swings of they could be stars. It's only like two or three guys past past five, and Woglar, including Woglar. So you heard me, guys, we A-Cuff is on that list for you or no? I feel like I kind of know what A-Cuff is, I don't know. I don't know where the levels are that we go that are just like. It's brown on me.

“Brown is, yeah, I think Brown is one of the guys. I know though, a sneaky one is Dale and Swain”

through the balls ended up with, I think he's like a sneaky. We have the balls coming up. Yeah, 15th pick. So, um, I, the clippers had to do it. It's one of those things that if they had the 8th or 9th pick, it probably would've made more sense than we'd taken burrs and it would've been at classic two guard, but they had taken Swain. Luzer, Steve Kerr, um, who's going to have to coach Yaxel and Dreyman at the same time. What is this going to be like, two of the most passionate

guys we've had in the league in 10 years? Both winners, both super competitive and they might fight to the death. I don't know what's going to happen. What's going to happen Kyle? I kind of wonder what Yaxel is going to look like in a system that is going to require his attention to be divided a lot. We will see about that because he played on just a battering ram of a Michigan team and his job was to guard the ball most of the time. So he had everything that

“was important him was in front of him. So I'll just be curious to see in the like speed of the”

Reed React Golden State system while it's still there. You know, they're going to have been probably past this into some other era of a different style that I'm sure he'll do fine in, but in the short term, I'll be curious to see how turbulent his ability like keep up with the speed of of what they do is because you could see some like, I don't even want to say Jordan pull. I'm not saying he's going to like give him a concussion for a punch, but I'd order to be up the opposite, the vets will

bring him along and get and give him like guardrails that'll be good for it. I don't know. It's going to be fascinating to watch. Well, he's almost the same age as some of the vets. So it's fine, what he's going to be 24 or December. He might a lot of Moses moody. I 100% agreed with the pick. I thought that would have taken more as they are paid, but you know, Dallas jumped on him at nine. House. Dream on. Yaxle. Curry. Porzingus. In the bronze james. How far am I going?

I think you can make it out of the play in. What if I changed Porzingus for Anthony Davis?

Oh, no joke. Anthony Davis. Dream on. Yaxle. Curry on the bronze. I just go big. I have size everywhere and I have two guy, Dremon and Yaxle who can guard perimeter guys. He made a face like he take KP back. No, I would not. I would not. There's no the no scenario. I mean, cop, I know has to be. That'd be one way to get him with J. Lim Brown. J. Lim Brown loved them. Be like J. Lim Lim. We didn't really try to trade you. KP's coming back.

So three way trade. All's forgiven. How's didn't seem that excited about LeBron and Yaxle on the words of Anthony Davis? That seemed like a change of finals pick of San Antonio, okay. See, winner quickly Chicago. They get Wilson and number four with a chip on a shoulder. I love

Wilson. I just think I'm completely all 100% in. I'm all in. And he's the first legit bullstar

since Derek Rose. You could tell me that Vusovich was a star or Jimmy Butler, pretty Miami. Fine, whatever. This this kid has it. They'll probably build the team around him. I hope they keep getting they'll be playing up and down and everybody's going to love him. And then they get Swain at

“15. How would you say this is your number one winner of the draft, Swain and Wilson together?”

I like it together. I had a funny moment where I sat down and I was like, "Huh, Caleb Wilson with this bull's roster." And I started looking down the bull's roster as I have fucking. I was just like, "What am I thinking about?" I was like, "Well, you start trying to do the gymnastics." I felt like, "What if they had had IO and Kobe White on the team that they just

could have brought back with their bird rights on top of the team?" And Caleb Wilson probably would have

absolutely made more sense. I got a wild one for you. I think I think Dale and Swain could be swappable for Josh Gettie because they're similar. I think he could be. He could end up being a better two-way player. The Josh and do similar things. Similar size, playmaker, athlete, and then he can play defense. So, well, to that point, every year there's the Kauai, right? Where Kauai in 2011, I sent house a cook today of when the wizard's Jay Bellus is at the desk.

“And he's like, "I think Kauai Leonard would be a great pick here at number six."”

I think he's going to be a really good player above all. I fit some of the wizards and then it goes to the podium and they're like, "With the six pick, the watch to wizards take, Jan Bezley." No, it wasn't Kauai Leonard. But every year there's the Kauai Leonard of, "Wow, this guy could just blank. He'll be awesome." So, with Swain, isn't it? If this guy can just, he can just figure out how to shoot. This kid's going to be awesome. See, rebound, some defense, like he runs the floor,

it is everything else. But the shot is why he wasn't a lottery pick. So, what if he learns how to shoot Kauai? He can score. He can really score. He's just got kind of a deliberate wind up shot. And I don't know if it's a rebuild. It's just he got to the point where, if you gave him time, it wasn't like Thompson Twins, where it's just like, "All right, let's run the other way." This thing going to happen. He can score. He has touch. So, it's kind of, you kind of can talk

yourself into it happening. But somebody was asking me about, "Who has the best handle in this class?" And I was just like, Swain has some of the best dribble separation in the class with like a Kauai. He's nasty. He can like, "You'll watch him get low at the ball." But I can't tell that dude's like, "6-1." And then when he stands up, you're like, "Oh, well, he's shitty. He's huge." He's like, "6-7 and a half." And choose. So, it's a great bad for Chicago.

Uh, before we do our next winner, loser, we have to wake up House a little bit because it's 1230. So, House, I ordered from John and Benes. No, no, I'm just kidding. I'm going to talk about food to get you excited. It's my wife's away. That means that means the food delivery order for the solo. You really have nobody judging you or anything. I did John and Benes. I got the

“chicken cutlets with the Gemleta salad that can have with the spicy dressing. And then you know what?”

I said, "I just got a pizza. Even though I don't eat pizza, I don't really need to eat bread." I got the Sunny Boy Pizza, which is bacon and cheese. You know, some like caramelized onions on it. You didn't have two pieces of that. I did it. I did it. I did it. I did it. I did it. I did the crust of the dog. I mean, we're very grateful. I had the crust of the dogs. I got a big plate. I cut up the chicken cutlet. I put it in their spicy little salad. I put a little balsamic on it. And

I just chowed down. And it was wonderful. It was rare special unexpected where you're, you know, because you were the Marion, you ever really didn't know. So she was the wife and you have your time with what we shouldn't. But then we're going to do the ingredients together. And they came. You share what we're going to share together. Oh, no. Just like when you get the time where it's like, I'm going to order for me. And I'm going to have a cheeseburger. I want the hot dog with a little

this stuff. I don't want to share it. You know, the child. People just they've been going through

“that. I do that with everyone who is friends with me knows like desserts. I don't want to share”

dessert. I don't want to share ice cream with you. I don't want to share pudding with you. I don't want

to share something with you. I never tried to share dessert with you. I want to share my direct

choice. I don't ask. I might grab the first bite, but I don't like sharing. I'm going to only child them that used to it. It's a great. I don't know how sad multiple brothers he is the sister. Yeah. He's used to sharing food. Anyway, back to the draft winners and losers. So Sean marks. I don't know whether you have a winner or loser. I'll let House decide loser. I don't need any more information. They just show off the draft term. They're celebrating like they

just won the finals. The whole that's drafted was celebrating. And it was because they were taking a Cal Brown who missed 14 games last year and has a bad back. And the high five is around. I mean, he's the guy out of all these top 12 guys. The guy I was worried about the most.

I might be wrong. I'm not saying he's going to be a bust. I just have concerns with the injury

prone stuff, durability and the fact that he's talking an interview is about I was in so much pain with my back. Like you're 19. Why do you have back problems? This just makes me nervous Kyle. Yeah, they just kind of slid it in there that they were like, yeah, he played for your games. The term Peterson and the Peterson thing we were speculating that we still didn't totally know what

“it was. And we were like, I think we're on the other side of this. It's not really bad back”

is like, that's that's not one that you won coming in. I've like Michael Porter Jr. came in and had the what the micro discectomy. I haven't had back surgery, but I think that was the procedure. Yeah, I don't know if he's out of the woods in the back thing, but even if he was, if we're just talking about him as a player, my whole thing the whole time is just he's super talent man. I mean, like he's he can he pushes you to have like a high pickup point. He can shoot the

shit out of the thing. He can really pass the ball with either hands. It's just he's a little chaotic. Maybe he rains that in in a half court like he gets it. He seems to drive without a plan a little much for my liking to the point of like it's it's a little bit of a lamello ask chaos in the weather that's but lamello is also. I think Julius Randall and Michael Porter Jr. will enjoy that or no. I'm not it could it could happen. He really did he really does have a lot of talent. He is more in

it makes sense for the net. If you're looking at the guys, they don't have anybody with that kind of upside on their roster right now. Every a Kyle gets super conflicted with one guy in the lottery. And this has been your guy for three months. You're just like, I don't know. I thought you were seems like got. Yeah, I've no you get really conflicted because he is probably if you're building the buildings of all of these guys. He is one of the biggest buildings because his basement

goes 10 floors down. But the ceiling goes pretty high too. We're 24 or the other way. I don't know, I'm listen, how some admittedly terrible at analyzing guys like this because I gravitate

away from these guys. They make me nervous and I always I'm glass half empty on these guys instead

of glass half full. These super talented kind of chaotic. I'm not sure if you're durable like I just get worried. Where are you on this? It's an exact same place. And here's the problem. I feel like we've earned the skepticism. Like the net head was at five or six first round. It was five first round picks last season. We set the over under at one. Will one of those five picks? A year ago. We did this. A year ago. Look like an an actual NBA player.

Shagai and April and Manji. Do we think that they got there? Do we think they got one? Demon. That's it. Maybe it's for your audience at 10th man. I mean, okay. Yeah. Are we being too harsh? No one's rough. No one Danny Wolf. No one was Drake Powell was the other one from North Carolina. That's let it go.

“Well, here's the thing. This is one of my favorite draft things where you do a draft last year.”

And it's like what we took point card last year. We can't take a cuff. Be sure because it comes better than every point card you have. Name one who can play. It's like when teams do this in the NFL with quarterback. So we can't take a quarterback. We took one last year. It's like, yeah, you take a shitty quarterback last year. You still need a quarterback. Just because you took quarterback last year doesn't need still need one. I just would have taken

a cuff and I would have figured it out and tried to figure out what he looked like with Demon and and just gone that way. That's I think the if you're the nets. I'm not looking for upside.

over with this next finals. And I thought a cuff would have at least solved the little bit of buzz problems.

“Now they're, you know, keep their fingers crossed with brown who has the upside.”

There's bigger than a cuff and sure they're a pasting being good. Who's your comp for him for if he's actually really good. Who is it? Well, I mean, I've calmed him to Anthony Simmons and Keyante throughout because I've said I'm like, I'm not sure that he's like a bona fide. Like, I know I can build a team, a basketball team or anything. Keyante worked towards earning a little more positivity and optimism on that front this past year. Yeah. According to the jazz because they were like, hey, we want to see you do it again. But I thought it was interesting that Michael

compared himself to Anthony Simmons. So I kind of feel like he's going to be that's kind of what I expect him to be. Like, this guy could go get 30, 40 on a given night. He's kind of our, he's sort of adjacent to our superstar. But on any given night, he could look like a superstar. That's kind of what I expect him to be because he's super talented and defensively going to be struggled. But the talents there has to do that make you feel better or worse. That's a really terrible. What was it?

Every time he's came to one of the team, we're kind of like, everyone, well, we tried with Anthony for a while. So the injury, his injury, his injury, the defense might not be there and he's adjacent to my star. I'm trying to get not conflicted for a minute. Give me, just give me that. Let me have that. Yeah. Well, I'll give you a positive winner. We can, we can end on. Charlotte gets Steinbach at 14 and then take Anderson at 18. They take two German guys.

They just said, fuck it. We're double, double German in and down. And guess what? There's another one tomorrow in the second round that they could take the guard. Who's the teammate on the

young German team, right? Check Kali. Yeah. People kind of like him. I wasn't, I wasn't that impressed with the they should be in Rondo while they're at it. I mean, a true Rondo. True, true, true, true, true, true. Yeah, true, true. I played for sure. Zidium and Rondo. Yeah. So other than Khan having to learn German.

“I think both of those guys are playoff rotation guys. I like Anderson. I just, he was one another one of those guys. I was hoping”

would miraculously follow the Celtics where he's just, I know what he is. Like he's going to be a bit of great offense. I don't think he's when you're three or four best guys on a championship team or a high playoff team. But I think he could be the third guard on a really good team in which is what he would be on the Charlotte team. So I like that. And then Steinbach, how's he would like Steinbach? Now, I'm not sure he'll ever be able to play defense successfully ever. But he is a mother fucking rebounder. Holy shit. I really,

he was one of the guys I probably spent the most time on because he's definitely an NBA player and he's definitely a rotation guy and he might be a little flawed but has a couple of above average skills Kyle. Like seems like pretty high IQ played, you know, with the adults overseas when he was like 15, 16, 17, just got the shit kicked out of him. And he's an awesome rebounder. Like awesome. So I don't know. I kind of like the pick for them in 14. Even though I'm not sure if he's ever the

“fourth best guy in a really good team. I think that he, I've said that he's like the spiritual”

successor to Steven Adams because you can watch him play and he's just an absolute pain in the ass tedious like annoys people with his ability to get it hand on every ball. But the fit with the

Charlotte team just makes so much sense because you're basically just putting like a garbage disposal

at the bottom of it. Like he makes so much sense. I made this comparison that I used to I love the shoot threes. I used to play pick up with this like five seven dude who was like the best rebounder I've ever played with. His nickname was the Wolverine. His name is Shafty Kitty. But I would literally just shoot threes and he would walk the ball back out to me at the top of the arc and hand it back to me and I was joking with very I was like this is the equivalent of that for the hornets. It's

like they've got these guys who want to get shots up Christian Anderson 100% in line with that one of the best pull-up shooters in the country's past year. Steinbach is just going to just inhale every rebound that comes like him is like a rock near an event horizon at a black hole. It's just like it's going in the black hole. Like that's that's that Steinbach is like I have to see that he's coming out. I love this. He would have been the guy we would have loved to put pick up with where

he's like moving toward where the rebound's going to be as the guy's shooting it. He's just like he's over there. That means the ball's probably going to go a little long and maybe bounce here and I'm just going to move here now and then I'm going to tip it in like he's just he's going to be a double figure's rebound guy playing like 24 minutes a game and then probably we'll give up a bunch of shit on the other end. But they need it though. They're for dying for that. They need that size. They

thing we didn't talk to which I'll let you guys decide if they're a winner or loser but okay see

who had 12 and 17 didn't trade up and they took Mara who was being rumored to be going six to eight range at one point. I did this on my podcast week the Morris stared at it. The minutes per game

“just weren't there. Like he barely played a UCLA play 23 minutes game last year. I think he is”

who what he is which is like he's coming off the bench. Maybe Luke Cornette crossed with porzingus on the Celtic style as like a changed the game type thing and given you eight nine minutes in a half. I don't think he's a starting center. Eighty was different because Eighty played big minutes at Purdue and and show the work now he already broke down. But I think for what okay see once Kyle this guy comes in he's certain matchups seven eight minutes some heart and

sign insurance pretty good passer really good hands seems like his teammates love them and I thought

there was a chance he could fall to Charlotte which I think would have been great for them. But I think for O.K.C. at 12 if you're not getting more as and you're not getting 약 so this was the logical next pick right. Yeah I mean I think it checks a lot of boxes you know obviously there's that big guy in the west that this is akin to when shack was in the west. Six more fouls to started affecting roster construction in a way that we haven't really seen in a while. They'd be interesting

study to do like which guys caused the most ripple effect of roster construction but Mara yeah the other thing too is that the idea Mara kind of fits what I thought O.K.C. might do with Eighty a couple of years ago. I thought that it would be interesting if they just took Eighty and was like we play this one way but for 16 minutes a game we're going to play in this other way

“that is going to be brutal for you or for you yeah and I think Mara but also Mara adds he adds”

the women shirts but he also adds his passing adds another he instantly would become one of their best passers. I think like he and you could you could play with those movement shooters like McCain who loves to play on and off ball get him to what you you guys Isaiah Joe still I forget his contracts situation but then Jayland Williams like I think he makes sense on that front too if they if they choose to keep him. You know what he just would he just laid out has to remind him

of in the mid '80s when we had that Celtics rocket's finals and it was Hakeem and Samson yeah and McCail Parish Walton Bird and then everybody in league was like we got to get bigger need centers and then all of a sudden there were these hilarious draft picks for like three straight years John Concac Joe Klein who they blob that was there was just people were just grabbing centers because it was like oh we need him we need him I don't know if this was the version of that

but you like this picture for them right absolutely for all the reasons JKM just laid out but but in addition it's it's it's so consistent with the path that they're on because they have to flip out a couple of these these guys that they you know they're at the end of the hard stand yeah it could be and and maybe door uh and now we've got two viable shirts and and Mara both guys they slide in rookie contracts not in a hurry we don't have to like

they don't have to immediately contribute they can get some minutes they're sitting on to pitch and and the kid from Georgetown right and those guys might be they may be punting on those

guys maybe so they're just never set the floor well shirts was thanks to Kyle and Tate's prodding

I became more and more fast in it was starts the minute thing is like one of the craziest things I can ever remember and all the drafts that's he's like an Alabama running back to make up on man he played a 1300 minutes in college second possible they didn't even think about it running back because to the running backs and now the Travis doesn't come out of the ames I don't remember college basketball players this being like part of the appeal is I don't come out like the way we

would have centers 40 years ago good shooter you you seem to think how you thought he could be a little initiated in the offensive in the right system right yeah yeah I mean he transferred up from division

“too I think it was Northwest Missouri State and they just kicked ass and his coach been McCollum”

and they just leveled up together went to Drake kicked ass one in the tournament leveled up to Iowa kicked ass and he just carried a gigantic pick and roll load I just kind of feel like starts when he gets in the NBA it's going to be like you mean somebody else could handle the ball for a little like yeah what am I going to do I could like catch that you didn't shoot it that's okay I like you know I just think that that's going to be a nice breath of fresh air but he fit he grew up

on an Oklahoma City fan if I'm not mistaken he's a Midwest kid and he's a professional he fits their profile he's like this kid will love it here he won't complain once he has one of those haircuts from like the late 50's not early 50's late 50's real big hit hair cut yeah went to

it was right around again this goes back to the problem with talking about this draft it was right around where he was supposed to go you could call out the picks and real time as they were

happening for the first I don't know 15 16 and probably be right most of the time so yeah date so

how's do you feel like I think Wendy's losing sweep over this marapick or now and he's like oh another Oklahoma City chumped it I'm going to put into I'm going to try machine and slice them up

“he was like you should have she got in a pd's dealer for Chad home grant she drafted that”

because I'm just going to run all over him again all right so before we go on winners losers this is a day after the uh oh wait I had one more thing what was your favorite pick after like last 12 picks of the draft Kyle just for a team and match up because uh some people like the lakers that got the got from dealer yeah yeah yeah yeah he's awesome he's a good fit with them because I think that that's the right around it's the right environment for him though we're

able to bring him along slowly and he's going to get the types of shots that are going to be good for him luka's just going to you know baby bird feed him the types of looks that'll be good for him you know I said I like the quaintance pick um i mean uh Josh Jefferson is a good player you know that course that's another sort of dubious shooter that uh that Brooklyn picked up Alex Cariband's a good ad for I just actually just now notice that uh Sacramento's going to be

“if you want to add two culture guys that are going to you know maybe start to shift some of the”

vibe and Sacramento Cariband's another dude who that's the last place I would have thought he would have ended up but you know gotta play for Yukon one and I'm really really winning player so yeah maybe things are changing how's where do you think Hugo would have gone in the draft who go Gonzales I come Hugo where do you think Hugo goes in the draft second round house where do you think Hugo would have gone now in all seriousness where does he go he's 20 years old

which version of you if he had come into this draft as the player that he's right for here there's new row he gets to reclass flying go back in the draft and get drafted by someone else uh stop 15 I don't know the word thanks house top 15 go and have them much higher than yeah like I think he would have been around yaxle honestly let's listen let's top the national media is having the national basketball fans having a lot of fun about Hugo potentially being the

deal breaker for the other things is that what this is about it is funny I'm just telling you they value him like he would have been in the top 12 of that draft okay and the thing is here's the thing and I don't know if I said this strongly enough yesterday like they made one offer two weeks ago and it was you know jaylin and two picks did it was an affirm offer was it we'd probably do

“this I don't know what they said they never made another offer and I think the bucks were”

waiting for them to circle back and they just they were like I don't know it would almost maybe wonder if they had buyers or more except for they made the first offer we're like a day later like fuck why do we do that and then walk is like hey still wait on that next often like

yeah maybe tomorrow and they just like never they never made another offer so I don't know how

badly they want to yawn is but I'll tell you this though a day later I'm I'm actually really relieved that that didn't happen now we have to figure out the jaylin brown part which I think is going to be for an interesting ride this summer but I do think it plays out us I think it's completely solvable I don't know why I think that if they all say the right thing to do is to bring the team back together and we're gonna go in and we're all together on this effort then that's it that you know

jaylin can come in and they'll do a team meeting like those guys want a championship together and I think that like you know it's business that's happening around them on the outside but I think inside the lock-a-room jayby and and and take them like they carry weight and if those two guys

that the most important thing is are those two guys on the same page as it seemed like whatever

both in France right now so there we go all right I don't know they're together at all go find a bottle of bordeaux together are you okay with that bill I mean they're in France what if they're picking out clothes that it was a problem with AJ and just wondering I just know AJ had to fly to France to get a suit now the thing with those guys I think a lot of the times the problems with the NBA is it's not the two guys it's the people around each guy that becomes a problem okay

and you know you have somebody like house in my life being like I can't believe he has painted that

the way we were assholes I actually didn't need house for that but yeah I was thinking about the madness I've ever been at somebody I worked with where I started to do my job and it was definitely after I got suspended for three weeks to without pay and then I had to go back and start writing my my calm again and do great on basketball hour and you know what I sucked it up

“and did my job and that's what J.L. Brown's gonna have to do because he's making 57 million a year”

so I'm sure his feelings are hurt but what's he gonna do it's gonna pay to play basketball and he was in a trade and he's gonna have to figure it out now the bigger question for me is do the Celtics think it's salvageable what happened over the last six weeks that made them think that they should pursue a trade with J.L. and in the first place so only they don't that we did have a last pollhouse for the Netflix audience listening um who is the most likely to end up in my will

and the choices were who go conknipple or Joe House and con 162 percent of course I was hoping

all three of us might make it what can't all this get a little something go 33 maybe that's how it's put it up I'll split it up five of the results of Netflix's welfare this is kind of to have to work out our German this summer we're gonna have a very busy summer put it in the car German drive that I wanted to be prepared drive around L.A. you know what that sound crowd what are that some of the good German food suggestions streusel German food is the sausages and the yes spetzle

it's it's like it's very heavy it's good fall food we've ordered there's a good German place in R.S. that we've ordered worst house yeah that makes sense it's good but you feel sick

“for like two hours after that's why they have to drink the dark beer because the key is to make”

yourself feel even lower your stomach yeah you the food is heavy and it's like let's what could we add to this I'm German we're a brooding vice-driven people we want to sit around and you know that's

what we want to do what's your favorite German food how's the last in the poll you're 18 percent right

now I don't have one for how did you do it I got cut out of the will so don't have it so I should he's I was gonna at least leave you some of the uncuts are pulled on cut sheets of I actually in my attic all right Kyle any last thoughts oh man I mean and we covered a lot there I think I drafted I think that draft from a talents standpoint was in A and from an entertainment standpoint probably a C minus little an eventful yeah wasn't yeah we get the lake of argument being interesting

see what went on with that I mean I didn't get the monitor the social media as much as I was riding as it went but take away here I mean all like we've said all three that these top three teams

“could come away happy I really think that's a distinct possibility I don't know that we're”

going to have a secretary a gap we might but I'd be surprised pass last thoughts other than AJ debata is that your team I want to find a young aspiring writer that we can do running diaries with bring back the running diary but I don't want to have anything to do with it by name I don't want you to have anything to do with it and I want JKM they there were amazing amazing jokes to be made about many aspects of what we observed tonight yeah there were lots of things that we saw

yeah yeah there was some text there was like the sitting down in the living room thing had a hunt there was some very interesting family dynamics so there was there was like you know unexplained related random age and cameo so it was there was the ESPN camera man just honing in on the guy so I didn't got picked that it's like hey it's filing and just get out of his face that's the tradition you know that are you sad to feel sad yet where the tears show me the tears

good um he's been at five people on the booth which would have driven us see that's we need a we need a burner diary that's that's my take of anything to do with it anymore you can't make the jokes were used to make I think you're right well I'm sorry you lost in the pullhouse um Kyle man great to see great work on the draft I thought it was one of your best ones

of the showhouse congrats on the was great as always thanks everybody in Netflix thanks to

Kahou and Eduardo and Jack and Chris as well for helping out the livestream um guess what I'm not gonna have a podcast on Thursday house do you know why? are you gonna hoi? no you're getting a call and ask it be finally ah thank god not what I'm doing it you have no idea I know you're gonna be you're gonna come out when they wake you up you're gonna be like oh no no no just put me back let me sleep for another hour

give me more of the special it's incredible it's the best I get it if I wish I had a call and ask

lesson at the end of this to our podcast take care yourself I'm gonna take care of yourself

“I take care of myself and all these different ways and for whatever reason this was the one thing”

I hadn't done so it's been on Thursday no new rewatchables on Thursday that we have the good

sun going up and then I'll be back on Sunday with me good sun and the good butter and new

“latch up on you the only way I will do a podcast before Sunday is if there's some sort of”

jaylon brown trade even if it's right after the colon asked me I'm coming on I don't care

from drug at the bottom yeah post colon asked the jaylon brown trade pot the drug good yeah all right

“cow how's thank you thanks everybody Netflix and I'll see you on Sunday”

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