March Madness Takes, NBA Lottery Debates, and Best NFL Draft Story Lines With J. Kyle Mann and Todd McShay

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I'm not doing baseball today, but I've been really interested in this baseball preseason. And I actually think the Redsucks are going to be good. I just want to get some quick stuff down on the record before we hit the podcast.

“I think the Redsucks are going to be good.”

I think the over-under for them on Fandoos 87 and a half. I think they're high 80s, at least. My favorite over in the American League is the Baltimore Orioles, which I think they're 85 and a half. But the 90 plus win, I think, is interesting, that's like plus 170.

I just like them. I think they had like the year from Hell last year, they did some smart stuff on the offseason. I like the Alons of Signing. I like their pitching.

A bunch of young guys wanted to go and I think in general, I think the Redsucks Yankees and Orioles are all going to be really good. And we'll see with the blue jays if they're going to have the year after curse. But in the American League, usually there's three 90 win teams or four. Leans more toward three, sometimes four, but I feel like Redsucks, Orioles, and I think

the Mariners are going to be the third 90 plus win team.

So one of the bets I was looking at was Redsucks 80 plus wins, Athletics 70 plus wins, Orioles 90 plus wins and Seattle 90 plus wins. That's plus 732, me South Henshin House, I'll jump in and do that as a group at this morning. But I'm excited to have baseball back.

And I think so.

“I'm going to have the Redsucks and I think I'm going to be rooting for the Athletics”

and the Orioles and the Mariners over as well. Lots to talk about. I'm really fascinated about the height stuff with baseball too. I want to get Billy Gill in there to do a complete height breakdown because now they had to measure people for the automatic strikes on, which I thought was very exciting.

So anyway, that's probably coming either the week or next week, but wanted to get that down on the board. Redsucks over the shirt. Redsucks are going to be good. And I think Roman Anthony, there's MVP buzz for him, which scares me.

But he has a chance to have a little bit of a Drake Mayesh year, too. I think that's the hope in Redsucks nation. But we like this team. This is good starters. I think they have both pen and they have a lot of bats.

They almost have too many bats in kind of loaded up at different positions. I'm really interested to see what kind of midseason trade they make. So stay tuned. Alright, coming up on this podcast, I'm going to do a mini-bale bag at the top. We're going to talk to Jake Kyleman about the sweet 16 this weekend.

Some of the draft prospects stuff. My love for Acuff. As you remember, like a month ago, a house that I were raving about Acuff and he's exceeded our expectations. So we're going to do a whole bunch of March Madness stuff.

And then Todd McShaze is going to come on to talk about the NFL draft and whether this is the most boring drafts we've had this decade. That's my feeling. Maybe he could talk me out of it. So basketball, football, or male bag next.

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I mean, we get to watch some of these guys. Guys actually kick ass in the in the tournament. Some are gone, some remain, some are playing each other. We have a whole guard. We have a top four and then we have a little guard kind of cluster that you just know five

And we have my guy, a cuff, I feel vindicated. House that we're all in a month, month plus ago. He's been great. So there's a lot to discuss. I want to start here though with the non basketball with a non march by this thing.

So I was talking about expansion last week and I got this email from Nathaniel who

like me wonders why Vegas is automatically the second choice for expansion behind Seattle.

He called it this entitled trust fund baby sports city being handed every team.

“It doesn't understand it and he's like, why would we add to more West name?”

So he was like, why wouldn't we consider Midwestern city Columbus Ohio? For example, second biggest city population was in the Midwest, but behind Chicago, 300,000 more people than Vegas, they had the pathetic blue jackets who were actually turned around. Two hours from Cleveland, but mentioned Pittsburgh Cincinnati Louisville, Lexington, what your thought about Louisville, Lexington with an NBA team? It's been rendered and whistled

around a couple times, but is it conceivable that that would happen? It's good. I mean, they're obviously, as you know, a lot of layers to it. In terms of the first level of is there interest in it? Yes, I mean, my God.

Yes, this place is just consumed with basketball granted. It's like, we don't have any pro teams here. So I mean, I tell this story that some dude with like a hillbilly, like, I'm, that's the wrong way to put it. Just like one of those long gray pain handler beards country dude was working on my house.

And he like caught wind that I was a basketball guy and he just had this big twang voice. He goes, you like the Duan Wagner, conchute the ball. It's just like it's everywhere. It's everywhere. It's like everybody knows everything about high school prospects and things like that.

So and then there's the history of the Kentucky kernels killed here. He'd be round team and they won. They were good. And I mean, you know all about that history.

“It's like, so I mean, like, in terms of getting interest in it, I think it probably be pretty”

similar to Oklahoma City except Oklahoma City didn't have any other basketball in it. He competing, right? So on that level, I think people would eat it up, man. I don't think that'd be any problem. Yeah, I might have to do a special episode with the cases for other teams.

Cassiado should have had it never had blaster team and should have a team.

And I'm all in on either we relocate and give them a team. We have expansion like Seattle has to have a team. I don't personally think we should expand. I think there's other teams we could move around, whatever. But if we're talking about what the other team should be and you have Kansas City,

which I think could potentially have a real case. I think the Louisville Kentucky area, Nashville versus Memphis. I think it would be weird to have two Tennessee teams. And if anything, it would probably make more sense for the Memphis team to be in Nashville. But I just think there's other options.

And Louisville, I remember a few years ago, it was in the mix for a second with rumors and stuff. So I didn't know. So you're pro. You feel like you could support two major college basketball teams and an MVP.

I think so. I mean, I would, we came really close.

“I mean, I think the Memphis one back in the early 2000s, the team down to it was a pivot”

and it came really close. I've got a pro arena, there's a lot of stuff with controlling the dates that they'd have to figure out. And there's the corporate stuff like UPS, the scaling down here, Amazon has a huge, you could figure all that stuff out.

I think. But I don't know. I'm with you. I think Seattle's the one that's just for the justice of four. It's an outrage.

Yeah, they got to have it back. I did two save our Sonnex bill bags in 2008 that are actually pretty interesting to reread as this team's just getting taken away from those people. And that was almost 20 years ago at this point. So I want to add a team.

I don't know if we need to add two more teams to make up for this egregious thing that they did almost 20 years ago. Speaking of that, I had a really good, I was going to do a couple of mailback questions to do. But this one was about to rant from Josh and Charlotte.

I think KD going back to Seattle to finish office career when they had big spans who excuse him from all his team changes throughout his career. It would just be really cool to see KD throw a super sonnex jersey on again to finish it all. I'm really mad at it and think of this.

And maybe I did and mentioned it in past. But now that we know that Seattle expansion is probably happening unless of the goofy happens. But KD coming full circle and ending in Seattle, it's kind of the best redemption. He ever could have had, right, he won the two titles with the Warriors.

He doesn't really have a franchise and then it all comes around and he becomes kind of the face of this rejuvenated sonnex thing and he never should have left.

They never should have lost him in the first place.

I really like the symmetry of it. Come in. Oh, yeah. I've been nabin' eyeballing this for a while, like I think when I was working on that big Kevin Durant project like two or three years ago, really, I freaked it to time work.

But that was one of the things I was just thinking about his, when I was thinking about

the arc of his and the narrative of the off-court stuff with him, I was like, that would just be a really nice mouthwash for all of it. You know, it would be mouthwash. It would be like one of those fancy ones, like a $25 mouthwash, you get for Christmas from somebody.

I got like a lot of you. I'm falling, you're like whoa, you've come to see $25 mouthwash, just for Christmas. Friends will give weird, weird, yeah, those like weird bath kits or weird, weird toiletry kits. Oh, that's stuff.

Yeah, I think. Yeah, that'll have to become familiar with that. Right now, to gotten there into the Louisville Kentucky area, all right, a couple more. Mike Parsons wants to know, does Danny Hurley take the Lakers' job off for if he knows Lucas

“going to be his franchise player within seven months?”

Can you imagine those two together? Oh, my God. I mean, he did fine enough. Yeah, Danny Hurley a bit of quit already.

I never believed that Danny Hurley saw it in the view.

Oh, because, I mean, it was pretty obvious what was happening. I mean, it was a pretty incredible moment where they were trying to rally you con to be more like financially invested across the boards. I think they were in financial trouble at the time, but those questions have kind of gone away.

And then it just never, he flirted with the Kentucky job, too, in a way that was just like, can we just get through this? Right. Can we just get to where this is going to end up? And then he admits it that his agent advised him to just flirt and bat his eyes at him.

I mean, when they had all those young players, and that was kind of the path that they were on before they just pivoted unexpectedly with the Luca thing, you could talk to yourself into it. It was like, this guy's elevated every player that's played for him. He just had it.

He had a good thing going, and he still has a good thing going, but, man, I just don't. Who's the most intense coach in the league that knows that the backs stop behind them

“is so solid that they can really, really get on guys?”

I mean, it's Missoula. I'm trying to think of the other, I mean, Spolster will just like, because he knows that he has the top down support. Spolster doesn't count. He can do whatever he wants, because he's like an institution there.

Missoula is probably the one that it could go sideways if he handled it wrong, but I think he handles it really well. I think JJ's up there. JJ will lay into those guys and get pissed off during games and treat them like adults. But that's like, we do watch college, and I think this year, especially in this event,

such a good tournament, so much fun to watch and so many storylines. But there's some real major personality coaches in this. One of whom would ever succeed in a million years as NBA coaches. Like, give me a little bit of McCronen. Oh my god.

Coaching, like, Minnesota, TurboLovers or something like, there's no chance. Even Latino. We saw it. We saw it with Poutineo. We saw it fail with CalPyri.

It's just a different kind of breed. So I don't think curly style would work.

I never thought it would work, thought it would have been a huge mistake.

Yeah. To agree. So, all right, here's a couple more. I had the talk about the weight, what moments of the 21st century, the Luka trade, Bams 83 in mouse in the palace, couldn't really come up with the fourth one.

And David from Portland says, there's a clear fourth, the Thunder Jazz game getting postponed in March 2020 when Rudy got COVID-19. This was the OShip moment for us basketball, obsessed mouth breatheres that made the pandemic real. That's like there is a really good choice of words there.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a really good one. And I think it's been lost in history. And because COVID in general, and I barely remember anything from those first four months

of COVID, but that specific day of like, I remember going into my old house going back to watch the basketball and putting it on and it just was clear the game might not happen. And just the tech started and you go on Twitter and it was like, oh man, we're really doing this now. We're going to have to say, I don't know if you're going to have to go on that.

Yeah. I think that would be a worthy fourth. It feels that day. I can kind of replay in my mind and like the day before in a way that kind of I feel like we're going to get, I don't know if we would ever do it from the sports angle, but I mean,

it was the, I guess it's the OJ doc, the 30 for 30 right where they went through chronologically in the day. Yeah. I feel like that day could, could. I don't want to watch that because for the reason that you were just talking about,

“it was just like any time I think about it, I just want to fucking bomb it.”

Yeah, I mean, my wife was pregnant, like when that happened, was going to have a kid. So all of that is just kind of like, yeah, that was a traumatic time. But I specifically have a memory of, I went to this is pretty funny. I per chance just got to go to a calipary fantasy experience. This is a friend of mine had to get to it.

I did not buy tickets before people started laughing. I just like he texted me the morning up, but I remember we were like, I was talking with those people. I didn't know, and I remember we were hanging out in this hotel bar. And this guy was just talking my ear off about COVID, and I was like, not taking it seriously

at the time.

And he was just like going through, he was like bird flu disappeared and he just rattled them off. And I can hear this guy's voice just reverberating in my head where he was just like, COVID, it's going to go away just like all of those. It was just kind of like, what are those famous, like a fattling rippling moments of just

like, man, I wish he had been right about that. Um, John from Seattle was talking about SGA streak of scoring 20 points, 130 games right now. You like that streak and bivalent sort of like, where do you stand? All the accounting stat things these days, it's kind of like, it feels like it requires

another pass through to like get context just because the volume is so much higher across the board. You know, and it's like even when I hear the accounting stat things like with KD passing

“each other or passing, I don't you remember that staff meeting we had a few years ago where”

they were talking about LeBron was get ready to pass the scoring title and I just kind

of murmured some back in a comment about Karim, never shot threes and played four

years of college. It's like just so many things like that where it's like, it's, it's so hard at face value. I mean, to take it just as is, I just think that's my thing is like, if I hear them, I don't get as riled.

I like to kind of like swoop in and kind of see unless it's something that just, they put the context in it for you when you hear it initially. Well, I remember writing about this in my book, sometimes with these streaks or records, it's almost unfair to the errors or the decades when people did to know this was going to matter, because like that, the 70 wins and when the bulls got to 72 and 10 in the

wars beat them. Nobody thought about wins like that really until the, the 1967, sixers, when I think they went 68 and 13, it was the first time like a record was a big deal. And then we had the streak with the lakers and the lakers beat them and I think went 69 and 13.

But all those Russell Celtics teams, like, they're just trying to survive the season, right?

“They're playing like six games and seven nights like nobody ever said like, man, you should”

try to get 70 wins, 65 wins or whatever. It's just, they didn't think that way. So when I think about this 20 points in 130 games or whatever, will, who is the most number of ses guy out of any superstar in the history of the league who literally led the league in a six one years just to prove that he was an unsolved fish and was passing

up like lay up so he could hand the bot like was just a maniac with this stuff. If he had known this was a streak, he just would have done it for like 500 games in a row. I just, I just think he would be like, whoa, this is the thing and he just would have kept doing it. So I don't know.

Anyway, John from Seattle brought up the streak and he said, he thinks Mike caught in a streak of not getting called for a technical foul is more incredible than the shape streak. It's over 1200 games without a technical foul, 19 seasons. What happens in his last game does he just crash out and get ejected or does he try to throw

a perfect game and just never get a technical.

I get to be honest, I forgot that this was a streak that existed. This is, did not know. Incredible. Why, why aren't we talking about this, my colleague passed the club on his work. Do you think you, do you think you're just like not doing your due diligence as a person

standing up for yourself if you don't get at least one, like is it an indictment or is it a credit? It's like, are you like push-short? It's like, but Conley, I love Conley. It's just like, I don't really know what to make of that.

Who's the top, who's like in the top 10 for that, that's that, who's going on. I don't know. I don't know the other way where it's like the most technicals in a year. Rashida had an over 41-year thing. The streamlines probably moving toward the career leaders, but yeah, I would love to know

more about the Conley streak than whether he cares about it. All right, next one is this is a great one. Could spirits of Bill really love this? Really jealous. I didn't think of this from Kyle Taylor.

The Pacers have a top four protected draft pick. Thanks to that Zubot Street. If the pick is five, six, seven, eight, nine, it goes to the cupers. This is Kyle Taylor.

This basically proves they know the lottery is rigged.

They just forced Adam's Sovers hand. Do you really think Adam's Sovers is going to let the Quippers get a pick in the five

“to nine ranges this year with all the aspirations stuff looming?”

Conspiracy Bill wonders if this came up when they were trying to make the Zubot trade with the protections. If anyone in the Pacers office was like, hmm, you think? We think there's any world we don't get a top four pick. If five through nine would go to the Quippers and make them better with all this other

stuff going on. I don't know. I really like that one. Obviously, it's ridiculous. It's like a classic conspiracy one.

There's just enough there. It's like, all right. It sounds like a really good episode of a way to second. Yeah. You get that.

I'll get a good set to go. That's pretty fun. It's pretty fun. Inevitable two-part episode with you.

I can't wait. I mentioned this email earlier from Matt and Charlottesville about Obama did a video of Anthony Edwards to promote the presidential labyrinth Chicago, and there was no one on the bulls who could make it. And he asked, was this the lowest and several gone for the bulls.

So actually made a list because that didn't do this was that lowest post-jordan bulls moments. It's rose getting hurt on the first game of the playoffs in 2012, past the number one. The J Williams motorcycle accident. J Williams was good. I remember there was one game when he went toe to toe with Jason Kidd where it was like,

wow, we might be really doing this with this guy. When they salary dumped Lua Dang in 2014 for Andrew Byronum and then waved him when they had like a 48-win team because it was a tax thing. That was incredible. Buying Jerry Cross's family during the Ring of Honor night for the 96 bulls.

Really bad. And they tanked for three years after Jordan left. And there was no super star in any of those drafts, 99, 2000, 2001, it was just like really bad luck. If you move those three years, two years ahead, now all the sudden I'm at least with LeBron

and Dwight Howard and Mike get a franchise guy to have me my top five other than that

they're cheap and they never paid the luxury tax and really sitting to pay money for a front

office and just do dumb things.

“When the 44 point was it at 44, when the lowest point total game they had, I think that”

was in 99 when they only scored, I think it was 44 points like the all-time record. I don't have to think that was right after Jordan. But yeah, you're right. I mean, those falling during that time, there was like a there's a convergence of a lot of kind of things that suck for them right there.

I mean, you're in the heat of the shack air where teams are just trying to like load up. With a lot of overlapping things that I think hurt the skill level in the league where teams were like really overdrafting to kind of get by guys to play shack. And then there was the high school thing going on. So you had the quamis and the Tyson Chandlers and the Eddie Currys and it's like Tyson

ended up being a good player, but Eddie, Eddie, all kinds of problems. Yeah, that was a bad one. So that was tough because they had a lot of high picks during that time. Two great draft questions for you from brand notes. Hypothetically, would you rather have Wemby or the top two picks in this draft?

I mean, Wemby. Wemby by far, here's the better question. Wemby or the top three picks in this draft. I'd still take Wemby. Wemby.

He's only godark. You take the godark. Wemby or the top four picks of the draft. I get all of them. I could have, I can even have Caleb Wilson.

I still, I still would take Wemby. Peterson, Booser, Debonse and we'll say Wilson, is that, what kind of a core is that? Like, if you took that four and compared that to the cores and the rest of the league that we really like, I'm trying to think, wherever that rank, I mean, it'd be up there. I mean, that would be the best, that's the best young core.

It's not aside from the spurs. I'm trying to think of the other ones. Yeah.

Well, the answer is the top five picks of the draft.

Now you have my attention because now I could have Peterson and A cuff. I could have Caleb Wilson, Debonse and Booser. I just have an entire starting five for Wemby. Now I'm thinking about it. I don't, I don't know, man.

“I mean, the only thing that could creep in is you're just like, all right, there is a little,”

there is the little voice in the room that's like Wemby's, the seven guy that might get hurt, you never know. Yeah. Yeah. The redraft for the past few drafts, and I just, as an exercise, ran them through

this like Rubik Rubik that I've been doing lately where I just say, like, is they, are they a, do you Hunnamon switches, do they fit this play style, are they, are they a spacer, they a room protector it, and Wemby got a perfect score on the, and I was going there every other. And I was just like, I can't shoulder shrugging it, but I was like the one, one thing that

I have in there is volatility rating, and I was like, Wemby can't have a perfect volatility rating because everywhere else is good, but it's like, there is that little sneaky thing of like, you're saying it's just like durability, you know, he's already encountered some of that. That'd be the only thing, man.

Because, like, otherwise Wemby's impact is just, it's been, it's been belated at this point, but it's, it's unbelievable. Another sparse question, Elliott Gold wants to know, he said, he hasn't anyone talked about this, and I know we haven't talked about it on the pod. If Santana could do it over again, would they take con or VJ, I don't think VJ is in

the conversation over Dylan Harper knowing what they know now. So the question for me would be con, because they have Fox and Castle as two ball handlers,

and then you're just adding this incredible shooter and guy who knows how to play with

“or without the ball, I think they would run it back with Harper.”

And I think Harper's that special, but I don't, I also don't think they probably thought

more interesting, like this incredible physical inside outside guard who's going to be able

“to learn how to shoot three soon, and I think that's where you'd want to be with Castle.”

If that's about those three, I think that, I like that three more than Castle con and Wemby, but slightly. Right? Yeah. I mean, it's a no lose, obviously.

I mean, you're going to con what helped them. I remember the early mocks I had con getting drafted, like, pick to the spurs, and I taught myself out of it, because I was just like, they just don't really go with guys like that, they love to go with the big switchy physical athletic guys, and they're like, the skill stuff we think will come around. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think Dylan has a chance to be like a first team all in VJ guy.

I mean, he could flirt with like, he's two way player, you know, it's just, yeah, he's a special guy, special down. I get to see me a lot, this one's from ENW, would you ever consider becoming the GM of the Holy Cross basketball team, especially with them, Lord running wherever, wherever state, and.

Cut, wow. It's a system GM of David's in most. I would, I would not do that because I would get to into it. I think it would ruin all the other stuff I'm doing. I would just become obsessed with trying to find guys, it sounds like a type of a little

bit to worse, too, but I know thank you. I do, I would not want to be in the N.I.L world, I think this one year, one year, and we film it, you wouldn't do it.

“I think that's the only way you would do it if it's like a documentary in a book, and”

you're, because Holy Cross would be the team to do it, because there's no, there's no reason they couldn't be against Aga in the East, like they, they really could. There's, there's a New England school that should be awesome. That should just be cherry picking awesome New England kids every year and that has a killer coach and, you know, good education, but you're just like buschool in New England, it doesn't

exist. So you don't count St. John's or is you, I mean, you're, I'm saying, like going from like past Connecticut, you're, you're talking about Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire Vermont, basically, like that part of the country, but really Massachusetts, where it's like, it would be conceivable to build a powerhouse up, so defensive could be, be, like, I

know, be why he's paying me, but I've always dreamed of playing here and playing in

home, and that doesn't really exist. I'd love to see it. Did you watch the way, Chetta? No, I never, you know, you don't feel like this one. Core curriculum, but I haven't.

All right, I'll end with one good few one from Ethan from Houston. If the Paul George suspension is actually helping the success of where the luxury tax is the next logical step for the King's to plant something exactly being suitcase, obviously no team would do this. I was thinking, no, planned something.

Well, listen, if there was like a landman type show for the NBA, like a completely insane show or crazy stuff happened, this would be a season one kind of cliffhanger plot, right, where the GM's like, we got it. We got to get into the salad or cat. What are we going to do?

People start looking at each other. It's like, we got to put something in suitcase. This is what we had because that would happen on like a Paramount show. Yeah. So, I was going to say the industry guy who gets them back to it.

Yeah, he's turning the steering up. The industry. Yes, the cops. See, if the industry slash Paramount version of an NBA show, I think that actually would happen.

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because I got to watch some good players.

I got some terrible coaching like always, build self loose become, I think my least favorite

college coach for certain no rational reason for it. I just for some reason he annoys me, they blew it again. And we have some great games including this weekend where we have Arkansas versus Arizona. We have Illinois versus Houston. We have St. John's versus Duke and we have BAM of versus Michigan.

I honestly think those are four must watch games. Like even if you're an NBA fan, you're not really watching college. Those four like awesome games and in general, I feel like the level of basketball is

better guards, you're some more talent. What's your favorite out of those four games?

“What are the ones that what's the one that you can't wait for?”

That is really hard to pick.

I was going to say that DC regional is going to be incredible with the UConnor Michigan state

and then Duke and St. John's. I mean, the narratives in Duke's, St. John's are so great. I mean, Patino was talking about redemption for the late in her shot granted. Patino's play Duke in the tournament four on the way to their 2013 title. I mean, the two that jumped to me, Arizona Arkansas, I think is going to be very fun and

athletic. I can't wait. It's going to be very fun. Do you want to just start there? It's as you think Burr is just going to guard A-Cuff.

Yeah. I do. I think that's going to be. I can't remember an actual draft pick spot being on the line for a game because as it leaves town, yeah, as I told you over and over again, I think those are the two choices

for five. I felt that way for weeks and I actually would give a slight edge to Burr is just because I think it's harder to find guys like that and there's this point is such a point guard draft that a lot of teams already have a point guard. Burr is just like, you just know what he is.

And even I like that. I liked what he did over the weekend. It took it was five for 70 made the biggest shot of the game. But him trying to guard A-Cuff is going to tell us a lot. And then A-Cuff, who's on just a fucking heater at this point, trying to navigate that

knowing that a team is going to have five days to think about how to stop him. I can't wait for that game.

“Yeah, A-Cuff, I think the narrative for that game is going to be if you just do the draft”

lands. I mean, A-Cuff versus Arizona's length is going to be the story because Arizona has a lot of size and strength. And so I was explosive and long and lanky, but they're not as beefy as Arizona. They have crevasse who's like seven foot two.

He's gigantic, co-opied, who's probably a first rounder and the toe bay of walk.

I was another guy who's a big strong dude. I think that's going to be the thing to watch. I was pulling up in preparation for this just thinking about what to watch for, you know, his finishing is the thing that I'm going to be looking for him in the paint because I looked at the teams.

That kind of cherry-picked it. I mean, they played a great schedule this year. They played a lot of teams with a lot of size. But I filtered for half court finishes at the rim and he had a hard time on synergy. It was like 34.8% at the rim.

So I want to see him use his left hand in the paint. I want to see him draw contact, get the line, those kinds of things because when he plays against bigger players, he kind of has a tendency to just kind of like, you know, pray and throw it over the top of them as opposed to like, he's not super creative. Like we talked about.

He has all those other pluses. That's like, you're nitpicking him, you know, it's like, and I think that's the basis for critiquing whether or not he can be a star. He's like, he's got to get that paint production up, I think, to validate that side of the argument.

But man, he's just such a great game manager, shoots a shit out of the ball, give me really fun matchup. Yeah, I've noticed the rim stuff, too. And that's where it, because he really does remind me of Kyrie with a lot of the stuff he does.

The one part where a fall is in part is Kyrie would have that double clutch ability and that bang off.

And he would always finish with a good shot.

A cup sometimes doesn't, but I also feel like, you know, he's in caught. He's been at the same college for less than a year. He's got calipars as coach. They kind of fall in a ruts with him where he's just like driving right every time. And you kind of know what's coming, they don't mix it up and have him coming out getting

the ball in different spots. A lot of times, it's just he's just driving right. And then he go over play him and then he'll cross over and try a little floater. I feel like there's more there as my point. I don't, I think when, if you put him on a really smart team and they'll be like,

look, this is what happens when you do this.

“This is what we think you should do instead of this, like the sky's the limit.”

And then the defense stuff, I just don't worry about with him. Like, did we talk about Kyrie's defense when he was coming in the league? Like, I worry about the defense. No, it's not going to be great. But you can win with guys who are, you know, who are lead offensive guys who aren't that

good on defense. We've seen it. Yeah, it's going to be pretty special. It's tough. But I think he's pretty special as my point.

Yeah. The can't be the reason not to take him fifth. I think it's, it's more a worry of how spectacular offensively you take the rim. You take the rim stuff like I'm talking about because I think that is going to be an issue if people can run them offline.

Yeah. I just, I'm not as like ready to say to buy into the superstar talk and go as crazy as some of the people other people are right now. I find myself on the little more pessimistic side of that because the things we talk about. And then if you add, you got, you got to build around protecting him defensively.

I agree with it. I think like we were talking about on the last step is that I think he's going to scale into a different type of role in the NBA because on this Arkansas team man, he's making the food for everybody and nobody. Nobody's making food for him.

Like there might be a broken play where it comes to him and he bangs a three or whatever

it is. Like in an NBA offense where he's given more like catch and shoot things, he'll have a lot of opportunities to produce. I'm just like him driving a team as the star.

“I think there's just a lot of kind of outlying questions outstanding balance on that conversation”

for me. I'm glad you made that point because I think he does so much offensively for this team. You have to factor that in the defense. And if your life's easier, it's a little easier to be a two-way guy. That's true.

He could look really bad in this Arizona game. This is the right kind of team. I think to just throw multiple waves of the fenders on him, scout him the right way and he could this could be like a six or twenty one. The other hand, he's a pretty special player and this could be a case of like, despite how good this Arizona team is, you know, he just goes on another heater.

I don't know. The stuff he's doing as a freshman, which doesn't have a lot of parallel in the history of the tournament. They were saying like Fox was the last guy who had points like this. And to me, like worst case scenario, he's in that Fox Garland range as a pro.

Where I think he could be as good as Deris Garland and that's maybe where kind of where this where the floor is, right? Yeah. And that's, I like Deris Garland.

“That's a really good outcome for the six pick in the draft, you know?”

Yeah. Absolutely. And those guys end up being, it's like the conversation kind of flows the same way where we're like, okay, this guy's probably the center of a team and you think about the awards coming in.

A lot of time, I mean, those guys end up going to teams that don't have it going. Like the calves at the time, the kings at the time, and this time, and anytime, obviously. But they get a chance to have their own team and they do have like a lot of production and output and everything, but the awards kind of come, you know, they come back eventually. And then we kind of resettle you into like, okay, you're a really good player, but we can't

live or die with your ability to sort of like feed everybody all the time and be efficient. And we protect you on defense and things like that. I think you're right about that in terms of what type of what type of player he's going to be. I mean, like the, so I'll turn around him the newer.

I would say you're, you're a little higher at the other me. And I think I'm just in general, in the overall conversation, I find myself being a little more worried than other people are about some of these things. But you're talking with the Luzerlies town thing, um, the Fox Lanzo thing was the last.

“That was, that was one of the better ones we've ever had, right?”

That was great enough. But in a awesome game, too. Like an actual memorable March Band this camp. Yeah. I worry about the finishing stuff a little bit with him, too.

And I worry about that more than the defense, just because I saw the same thing you did that it's, it's, it's sometimes looks bad and predictable. And like we've, we're watching with Scoot right now. The Scoot's, as good of an athlete as he is, he's finishing just isn't good enough. And I thought he was going to be better as a pro, just being like this Derek Rose type.

But the difference between Rose, Westbrook, um, pick a guy who was awesome in the pros was they were able to finish that the rim. I mean, going way back, this was the best he tell fair thing. Is it? Well, look at him and then it's like, yeah, this guy has no chance when he's driving

the basket. This is not happening. I don't think he's going to do that. But I Arizona will be a good test. So Bama Michigan, oh, man.

Yeah.

This is where our guy, this could be, first of all, I think Bama could absolutely win

this game. Bama's level. They're 11 to one to make the final four. I think that's the best bet of all these call. I don't know if it'll happen.

But I know the odds are better than 11 and one. They could win two games at a row and make the final four. And our guy, the lost guard in this draft, who might end up falling a 20 and being awesome. Like, this is going to be a really good stage for him. Yeah.

I've been such a fan of LeBaron final on for such a long time. He, I got to see him play in a showcase near my house for the first time. And that was kind of when the, the hearts of the eyes kind of popped out. You were texting about him in like November. I was going to say of like 2023 maybe.

He's a, he's just, he's a winner, man. We were talking about Mike Conley earlier. He has a lot of MFR and him, but he's, he's not as passive as Conley. But he has a lot of the, the adhesive kind of things that fall between the wrinkles of a team. And this makes it, he just makes things work.

He's a little bigger than I think people realize that he's like six, three and half, six, four. He's, he's just, he's a lot lower and slinkyier than a cup. He's not as solidly built. But he just, he's improved his shooting.

He's very, very clever. He has like Rondo economic qualities at times to me, where he just picks his spots really well. Good pass or he like a, he had it. You would have, you would have had, I need to send you this clip. He had a touch, a touch pass assist off of a rebound where he just lightly tapped it to

what if his teammates like extended.

And I remember thinking I was like, yeah, that was a 1 million percent of a Larry Bird.

But like, the problem with this is like Michigan just chokes people out.

Yeah, it's, it's going to be tough. Well, you have on 12th on the, on your big board right now, which where do we have no I, he definitely moved up, right?

Wasn't it in the teens from, from when to when that was the, that's the first outing.

So he hasn't moved this year. He was on our board last year, really high. Actually, uh, I remember I'm looking at the thing now because Ameth's 14 now. And I'm just, I'm betting on five line over Ameth 100 times out of 100. Just, well, that I do respect to Ameth.

“But Ameth, but uh, yeah, I just, there's some on what do we do?”

Yeah, the, the Iowa State, Iowa State's going to be a test for Ameth. Uh, he's been dealing with like, right leg sore and soreness and, you know, uh, but I don't think that forgives some of the things that have been rough all year. It's just a lot of hypotheticals with him. And, um, he's, I was, he's a get a GM fired kind of a lot of a pick.

It's scary. It's scary. Yeah. The pressure and if he has a good showing against them, I mean, that's kind of, you don't want to, you don't want to go too far of like, you know, somebody has a good

game and you draft them based on that. But, um, I don't know, with this one, if he has a good outing against them and show some toughness, I don't know if it's going to swing me dramatically. But, uh, I love what I see. Outside the latter.

I see it. Once we move into the top 12, um, just not saying at that point, is it weird that I, I feel like Michigan is by far the most vulnerable out of these four, you know, the four. We got Duke. We have Arizona, we have Houston, Michigan, like that added like the super teams.

Something about Michigan makes me feel like somebody could get them and I don't know what it is. I don't know, man, because like, they're, like, you're hard on the main. They weren't playing well and they, and they've really gotten a lot of stuff together.

Yeah, actuals playing incredible.

I mean, they beat a scrappy St. Louis team. They, we'll see. I mean, once the teams can kind of like throw punches with them. The size wise. Yeah.

Alabama can't do that. They only, they only play one guy who's like six foot 10 and he's kind of beefy. So, so you think they can just get overpowered. That would be the fair with that game.

“Yeah, I think they just, I mean, they're center seven foot three.”

They're Morris Johnson's another guy that I think he would like. He's a real like Isaiah Stewart type, energy, muscular, and then you actually place the three. And it's, they're gigantic, man. So, then we have Illinois Houston, which is another crazy draft battle.

Those are two guys that are going to be somewhere between five and nine, the guards on those teams, Fleming's people are cooling off on a tiny bit of feels like, but we get to see them go against each other. And that's the bracket, like Houston's the favorite in that bracket, and they're plus one ten.

So, that's the bracket that it seems like people feel like anybody could take. But do you have a strong feeling and either of those teams, anything you like? I think getting either year, I mean, sort of the pedigree in the style that you just in place a year to year is like big physical. Their bigs aren't as good this year.

So this is, this is a really interesting juxtaposition of two teams here where Illinois is very finesse. A lot of Europeans on their team, a lot of skills. Yes. They've he's got merc of itch that I think you would really like for them.

He's just this beefy for who can kind of score from all over. But for Wawgler in particular, this is going to challenge him in some areas that are key to kind of like how you see his value, because how he deals with the physicality of those

“guards of a manual sharp of me, those who's in and of Kingston, it'll, I think it's”

going to color the way people feel about him. If he comes out and plays great, it's going to help him a lot. I think. Yeah. Well, then we have St. John's Duke.

Why doesn't Boosers shoot that 12 footer? I knew you were going to ask me that. I haven't texted that to you. I don't think either. I didn't.

You were complaining to me and tell you about it. I'm really good. I'm really good in the pros. Yeah, yeah. It's been crazy.

I mean, I know I guess he can add it, but I've never seen, I've never seen it anybody

taking open 12 footer and try to turn it into a layup into two guys more than that dude. It doesn't seem to me like he has is what you need in the NBA, like that little like foot. I always have this foul line jumper, you know, it's a lot of like stuff in traffic that he can do because he's playing against younger guys.

But I might have him free. Really. Okay. Which I think. I'm still two.

Yeah, I'm two. You've Peterson three. You've Peterson one. I guess I'm one. Yeah.

Good luck with that one. I'm out. Do you totally out? I'm out. I did this couple of weeks ago and even the band said to me, it has to be number one.

This is like, this would be crazy if he doesn't go number one. Well, I'll be just stupidified by this. I think I think I think that Peterson is a vastly more talented shot maker. I think he's going to be a better play maker.

I'm a believer. I mean, that's the big argument that's going on in the nerd world versus like, when you say when he's healthy, we watch this guy. Dream around screen screens, trying to two-hand block layups that you know, two feet over the rim and he looked plenty healthy to me.

I just think he comes and goes during games and I didn't see any leadership from him at all. You know, and granted, I get it. He's like, why he's just a silent assassin. Like I get it.

Those guys have succeeded, but I don't know. I watched him a bunch these last two months and I see it on paper. I see the case, but I asked us, saw some stuff that really worried me and I don't think it gets better at the next level and I don't think he looks like he did in the high school tapes last year.

That's a big argument going on right now. Like I was going to say, like the people who watched him coming up, like the grassroots people who were really invested in it, they, and it introduced all these counterpoints where people are just like, well, yeah, he's planning it's better athletes now and it's like he only played against great competition.

It wasn't like he was planning it's like, you know, little, little sisters of the poor kind of schools. It's like he, I just think he's a super, now this has been really odd.

“And I think his personality probably didn't help.”

Like him, you know, it's probably hard for him to be the leader when he's been in and out and the way things have gone and how we fit into their offense. So, but I still, it's not that I don't like to banse it. It's just like, I think that Peterson's separator skills are really, really special. Like I, I'm not going to come off that.

Yeah, but I could be wrong. But yeah. But if this was your job, you're the GM of a team.

And if you mess this decision up, you're never going to have a GM job again.

I don't think you're taking Peterson. I think it's too risky. You could talk yourself on all the pluses, but I just think, ultimately, you're going to be like, the pants is going to be awesome. Like, he's just, the guy's a beast, there's no way he's not going to be good.

You're going to pass him up and keep your fingers crossed. The other thing with Peterson, I'm glad you brought up like the, how he's quiet and blah, blah, blah. Kauai was really quiet and quiet. The Kauai thing works.

Well, where did Kauai go? He went to the spurs. Like, you're basically in witness protection when you go with them because nobody, they have that whole family, he was there. They had that whole family atmosphere.

They dunk in that genobly, they had Parker, they had pop. He didn't have to have a personality. And he kind of had five years to grow into it, but we still don't know what his personality was. Then, when it blows up there, he goes to Toronto, he's like a hired gun, didn't need to have

personnel. They had been weak. They had, you know, Kauai Larry. They had all these big knickers, goes to the clippers and we've seen it kind of come and go.

Now he's a better and respected. But I just wonder if you're rookie coming in the league with huge expectations. And you have the personality, Peterson has, you're going to like Brooklyn, or I don't know, the wizards, and people are like, this is our savior. And he's just doing this stuff game to game that we watched him do the last two months.

I don't think it's going to go well.

“Do you think your leader has to be your best player?”

I don't have any answer. I have just curious what you think. I don't think it has to be your best player. I think there's a responsibility that comes with being the guy that we've seen people either sync or swim with and we saw La Mello struggle with it for years, like he couldn't

figure it out, right? And for that was for different reasons.

And it was finally they had to put the right kind of people around him.

And he got matured obviously a little bit. But I just think fits so much. So like, if Peterson went to Indiana, I think that would be great. I could see them taking him first, that would make sense to me. But if we're talking like a shitty team, I had to get really nervous with that.

I'd rather have to band some. You know. I'm definitely leaning towards the basketball things working. And I think that where you can throw some doubt in there, I think that's legitimate is what you're saying.

The moment that Kawai got away from that accountability and structure, it was like that's when granted the injury started and caused it. But do you hear a lot of complaints about, you know, in Toronto, it's like was he the leader of the Toronto team? I don't know.

I'm sure somebody will be able to be up. But it doesn't. Yeah.

“Anyway, when Peterson is it seemed like he was very well-liked by everybody, right?”

We never heard. It's in my teammates, like I'm coaching everybody, spoke highly of them.

They seemed to think that he probably wasn't healthy the first part of the year.

I just didn't think he showed enough other than flashes and potential. But he seemed healthy to me is where I kind of disagree with people down the stretch. I just thought the stuff he was doing I politically was pretty high level, you know. And he's just kind of floating out of these games and I didn't make me nervous. But I do, you know, I would take them over boozer.

fascinated by as I watch because I just know what he is. I like that. I like when guys come in the league. It's like, I know exactly what you are and I know how it's going to work and I know you're going to put on 20 pounds of muscle and I just know what this is and hill and up

going forth and I'll be a great pick, right? I'm going to take a head of Peterson. Right. But Peterson's the one that gets you fired. It's risky. I mean, I mean, you just to quickly get the you're saying that he was doing high level

“athletic stuff to me and this is this argument I think is one of the major hinge points”

in the in the whole draft is like our eyes what we're seeing is you saw that as high level and I'm saying I know what I've seen and I'm just. You think there's another level being on that? Yeah. I'm just kind of like, can I be disabused of like did I, did I see what I saw?

I think so. It's like Zion playing defense in college. I was just like great defensive upside. I think that's more of a part like a choice thing on his part. But with with Wilson taking it to that, I mean, I think defensive upside and like the top

four, I don't really feel like there's much question. I mean, I think that he is a potential to be like a special defender and I think if you thread that needle and you say if the offensive outcomes in there is there's any weirdness like let's say that booze or bumps his head on like what he's able to expand and do and it's like, yeah, is he a superstar?

No, he's like a folk room that adds to good offense and then peer, yeah, and then defense, maybe what's he's more of a deros and not super efficient from three, just more of like a tough shot maker and then Wilson's an elite defender who can like I think he's going to shoot the ball. You can talk yourself into it as what I'm saying.

I mean, he does some things athletically built there like he's on another level man.

I mean, I had these freeze frames where he would jump from like the second block line

on the lane and then like the next frame, he's like literally his head is like over the rim. He just does things athletically, they're that are really separator special like in among the top guys. I'm going to create a verb here.

Not comparing Nihatus. It's a little Yannasey if Yannasey is a verb, there's some Yannasey like freak, freak, freak athleticism with it.

“And that's what I mean, he's not, I don't think he's going to have the same Yannasey's”

got to be seven feet tall, I think he'll probably end up being a, not as big as him. But he's just he's that special athletically and I do wonder like if he could pass boozer when, when teams are working these guys out, the thing I really like about boozer and you could see it in the the game they, that CNN game, when it was like Holy shit, are they going to choke and any close game is in, there's a calmness to him.

He's just clearly a guy who's been, he's like a 28 year old, 28 year old like seven year NBA veteran, but he's 19, but he's clearly just been in so many games since he was like 10, that he doesn't get nervous, doesn't get rattled, he'll make like a huge play and

he doesn't even like do a fist pump like he's, and he's always like gathering the

team, there's like some Duncan stuff with him that I like, he's just even killed super competitive and never rattled. And to speak to the, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, that's it. To speak to the Kayla Wilson thing, I think the body type stuff that you're talking

about is is pretty, pretty spot on with he has that elastic, like he sits really low at the stance and then his like zero to 60 explosives, this is crazy, not to be overly simple, but he dunks a lot, he dunks a lot.

“I think he was, he's either close to or leading the country and dunks this year.”

So he gets easy stuff, the easy stuff that's accessible, Kayla Wilson gets it, you like that. You like to start from a simple premise like that, you know, and then, but he just doesn't quite handle the ball. It's just like, you honest, it was a special cross section of that.

It's just like he just had guard skills and trips like getting down hills. So that's, yeah, that's kind of the difference there. Yeah, and you honest, it was playing, even you could see in the tapes from the grease, the Greek YMCA tapes, like he was handling the ball a lot, even back then. This kid is just runner jumper athlete, shop blocker, dunker, finisher, but could be like

the best guy in the league at that stuff in five years, who knows? It's a really good one. And then you have all these guards, this is great. And it's a draft's going to get weird, because when we get to five, six, seven, eight, we didn't do good enough job talking about actual college basketball, so we'll end on this.

The patino thing, because in college in college versus pro, pro you have the players, college, football and basketball, the coach has kind of become, you know, the anchors of the sport in a lot of ways, the signature guys.

And there was just so funny watching him in that duke game, like basically playing all

the hits, being a huge asshole, being a motivator, being competitive.

I've ever seen in my life.

I don't, I just still don't understand what happened. I give up a lamp. And he just kind of walked over the coach and shook his hand. There's just nobody, there's nobody like how compelling he is as a coach. Well, I grew up with Bobby Knight in those guys.

He really feels like a throwback to this arrow when these coaches were these larger than my guys. So him going against Duke, I feel like he's, he's bringing everything in this game. Like this will be it. This will be his like one battle after another, PTA movie, where he's like, we're going

fucking eye max, we're taking giant chase scene, I'm getting del Toro, I'm getting pen, like I just think he's emptying the chamber in this game. I've gotten it relayed to me that he is very, very confident that they have a legitimate shot to win it all and I was just thinking about it. And I was like, I mean, this team is really, I'll say all that to say, I don't know that

that's going to happen.

“If it does, I think it'll, it'll apply to this what I'm going to say here is that I”

think he has a legitimate argument for best college coach, ever. I think if you think about what he's done and where, I mean, in that, that spans all levels, it was like when he was at like, you know, Boston, because it was Boston, you know, because that be you and you man, yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then Providence. It goes on for Providence, he goes to, you know, he wins at Louisville.

He could, if he'd stayed at Kentucky, he would have been locked up with Coach K. I don't think there's any question about that and he, and he leaves and comes back and he wins it. I own a, you know, and now he's doing this at St. John's at this stage of his career. I just think that, and then you think about the way that he was a pioneer, he was a forward

thinker in terms of college, but his team's for shoot 25, 3's in the mid 90s.

Like he just, he was always ahead, but funny stuff from the 90s was, he was probably

his team's did it the best that anybody other than maybe Arkansas. Yeah. I mean, this is the stuff, like I know, when you, you probably had your, your, like, hooks in you years as a basketball fan, what were the, like, the hooks in you years for

“you Celtics wise, like the teams that you remember, was it like, what were we talking about?”

They mid late 70s, like from the moment I was going, but yeah, when I first started under a standing basketball, which is probably somewhere in the 80s, but college was the best that's ever been during those times, right? And it was, it was so many great athletes and so many, you know, lottery pick, stank three four years in college and a lot of the coaches, like I remember, Guy Lewis was the Houston

coach and the best athletes, and he was just terrible, who's an awful coach, right? And so when you actually saw a good coach, it really stood out. And Patino was one of those, it was like, wow, this guy's, this guy's man, obviously coach K was a good coach, as much as we like to make fun of him.

I've never, never, never begrudged him, that was a good coach.

I just want to go on record. Yeah. Dean Smith, I was always, that God tastes down here, Dean Smith, that was always a little suspect of, I think there was some, uh, just shaking this with him, like that, that Perkins Jordan, Kenny Smith team, not, I forget where they, when they got out,

out, but that was insane, that that team didn't make the final four. Michael Jordan is junior year, you could make the final four. Um, had some talent, but yeah, but that Patino, you're right, like he's, he's definitely a 101. I wanted Holy Cross to get him when he was, when career purgatory and he went to Iona,

I thought that would have been like an amazing, yeah, let's ride this dude for three years and that turned it around. He went to Greece in one, he went out, like he's just, he's just a dude who has like a status process. And they're who they're Boston, he was probably in higher time in Boston.

He was probably, he's, he's probably looking at the, like, you know, the, the effort

“error of the NBA and being like, are you fucking kidding me?”

Right. We're doing this. Right. Yeah, we don't love coaching team like, like a team like Phoenix sort of been his dream. Yeah.

Like Devon Booker and 14 guys just try really hard that way to, he would love that. So you're talking about him going through the game and it's like him just playing the hits of all the things. It's like, everybody that I've talked to that's played for him, it really goes on and on about how Melo he is now because you know, you're talking about Bobby Knight, it's just

like he absolutely was Bobby Knight, but just didn't get the same attention because I don't think he did it properly as much, but yeah, I mean, I think he's got an argument for the best ever aside from the messiness at Louis, he had them went on. Do you think, certainly, messiness at the least, do you think they have a best part in the game possibility for this game?

For St. John's? Yeah. I mean, if Zubey Edger four goes wild, I mean, he's a guy that is like a tool Z, like a team could steal him, does a lot of stuff well, I mean, he's the guy who left Kansas because self-wit and play him and it was one of the all time, you should, yeah, I figured that he did a big, a few game, yeah, that's in play, yeah, the Edger four is their best player.

Yeah, guys, I can get going, yeah. Charism self-wit the best player, he can't shoot threes, but there's an end of the game

you're watching, like if my wife was watching, she would just think he was the best guy in the game, watching it, not knowing anybody on either team, he does pass the test. Like I could see him throwing some haymakers at Duke, and then, I don't know, I thought that the end of the game was like significant, like there's a recipe with Duke where you can see them get a little, little discombobulated, like obviously there are point cards

“situation, but I think the boozer brother's been great, like for where, where we thought”

we were with him a couple months ago, I think that guys, it could be a first from, first

from pick possibly, maybe, if he came out, like late first round. I don't know if I go first round for him, I mean, I could see him coming back into the year and playing on the team, they're going to be good, and again next year, but I think size wise, yeah, St. John says a lot to throw at them and athleticism wise, I mean, they have got Dylan Mitchell, who's really big and long, that they can throw it.

Isaiah Evans, the big lanky, like move me shooter for Duke, I don't know if your eye was, with dummy SARS, the other dude, that I figured that you would like for Duke, I think I assume, he looks like a giraffe, I mean, if he hits three, he's going to be like a first round or two. I was shocked that guy, I probably liked the most was the boozer brother, like just for

the guys that I was pleasantly surprised that I liked, I just think he, I could see him being the NBA for like 10 years. He's another one right. Nobody is. He's like, like,

“when trade zones just kept landing on teams playing 20 minutes, I think he's one of those.”

And I do wonder if he comes out, if a team thinks like, we'll take like the Pacers, we'll

take, we'll take camp third, and then we'll get his brother in the second round and we'll

bring them together, because I do think they have something pretty, you know, pretty unique, but that game's going to be great. I can't wait, comment, this is going to be fantastic. I can't wait to neglect my family and watch basketball all day. Well, the other thing is NBA's gotten really good too, because we have 10 teams that don't try and 20 teams that do. And anytime any of the two 20 teams play, it's like the

trait in the Lakers last night, like the game was really entertaining, you know, and we have a lot of teams jacking for play, a position, so anyway, all right, comment, comment, don't get divorced, if I keep it together this week, and say hi to everybody over there. Appreciate it, man. Thanks. So every Wednesday, I decided to look through the NBA

“slate, making NBA parlay, the rules would be whatever I want. We're doing this because”

unfandel on Wednesdays, you can use a profit boost token and increase your potential winnings before you place your bet. But it is, it is baseball season this week, and we're kicking off, opening day, obviously, love having baseball back. And me and Silent House in Hench, we did a little over under Winsparlay. I want to tell you about for the season kicks off, where we have the athletics have to win 70 post games, the Red Sox have to win 80

post games, the Mariners have to win 90 post games. And last but not least, the big one, the Orioles, 90 post games. This is the, our, our sleeper team to be a real contender in American League. See, throw all those together. There's a 14 futures parlay, and it's plus seven, 32. So I'm, I'm, I'm four going my NBA bet this week, and I'm recommending that as my future. We'll bring back the NBA next week, but it will be, it will be, maybe

they'll even put it up on the sportsbook app. Either way, don't forget to use a profit boost token for your NBA bets on Wednesday. Fandel, play your game. All right, Todd McShay is here. You can listen and watch the Macshay show, which is now on Netflix as well, or you can watch this video in Spotify. We launched, tell the audience what you launched this week. This is pretty exciting. I'm pumped, man. And I appreciate your support.

I've told you that privately, but I also want to share it publicly. Like, fact that I came to you, I don't know, eight months ago and said, there's this project I want to do. We

kind of mentioned, I fueled the draft tracker for ESPN for a long time, and I always thought

it was, it was good product, but we could do it better. And we're kind of in phase one of what we just launched yesterday, which is the, the Macshay NFL draft board, which is basically a micro site connected to the ringer, it's the ringer dot com slash Macshay. And we, it's the initial launch. It's a top 100 prospects, top 50 evaluations. It's got the mock three points. No one there. It's just, it's everything housed in one place. Men's lives there.

We forgot to mention, menches actually just living inside of virtually. No, I was just there. Truly, virtually, virtually matches in there. He's in there. And he's, and he's writing, hopefully write this moment as writing a report on a guard from Iowa State. You know, like, that's the vision I have that he's always just kind of grinding in that version of men. So we're

26 years bill. I've always kind of dreamed of being able to create a database. Yeah, as I've

directly dealt with catapult used to be exos and they had multiple NFL teams. And I've talked to general managers and all the things that go into their database with the comparisons that they pull out with the history and kind of the trends for each position, each work out drill.

“And we're going to build that together to make it as it'll be the only thing in the market that”

will mirror that of an NFL scouting department and what they use for their draft. I'm excited. The best thing about the draft, and this is the case for the NBA, too, is being able to then look back and forward and who does this guy remind you of who does that guy and the comparisons. NBA has NBA has some great ones right now with this draft that's coming up. And then with football, it's the most fun with quarterbacks. We don't really have as many fun quarterbacks to talk about

in the draft, but this does lead to my hot take. Okay. I thought of this this week as ESPN, our old employer was trying to get a, are we sure Ty Simpson is the best quarterback? And I was like, this is the most boring draft we've had this decade. This, the, the, we're trying to manufacture directly insult bill. No, no, I'm saying like from a storyline standpoint, we just don't have the drama yet, and I don't think it's going to be Kentucky Simpson, Ketch, Mendoza, but the drama comes.

Right now, I feel like it's boring. Where's the drama? What's going to happen? What are you looking at? It's like, oh, this is going to be good. Ooh, this is going to be juicy. Where, where is it? What's going to happen? I think it's, I think it's Jeremiah Love. He's the best player in the draft, but he's a running back. And you look at, you know, I don't know that it equates to the NBA, but you look at the money, and it doesn't, there isn't a correlation, an exact correlation, but you look at the running

back position. If I take a running back and, you know, like, last year, Ashton Gentie was a six overall pick, you're now paying him as if he's the eighth best running back in the league by veteran salary. And you could have gone from and you're paying him like his the eighth best running back in league. That's the worst case. And even if you could block for him, you're having to pay him based off of what the running back salary structure is and the annual per, the average per year

of the top five guys, whatever it is, running back is the second lowest on that chart. Yeah, where it starts with quarterback, then it's at edge rusher. Surprisingly, it's now wide receivers third, then you get down to the offensive tackle spot. So if I can get an offensive tackle or an edge rusher and pay them that that money, which is eighth in the running back list, but you're talking,

you know, $30, $40 million per year for a veteran on their second contract. Right. That's a massive

“difference. And that's how teams you look at at the Seahawks, right? JSN. So on his rookie deal,”

Kenneth Walker, still on his rookie deal. When they win the Super Bowl, they can then take all that extra money in the salary cap and go put it in different places like a deep defensive line. And yeah, so that's the struggle with Jeremiah love. And you've got a team in the Cardinals, they could use him at three. You've got the Titans that would love to pair him with, we've came award it for the Giants at five with John Harba. And the commanders at seven, but I don't know

that any of those teams in the top five want to spend that capital. It'll be interesting. I think the watch starts at five with the Giants. But everyone I talked to in the league says he's the,

if he's not the best, he's the second best player in the draft. And that guy's not going to get

out of the top five. But where's he going to go? Yeah, there's no way this can happen in the NBA. The only real way it can happen is is what we have this year where you have the top four. And then basically the next five guys are guards in some order. And a couple of them are point guards. And there just might be a situation where like the fifth, sixth, seventh team, already has a point guard. They don't need a second point guard. But but by the board, it's like, whoa,

we're going to pass up a cuff. He just drag this team in the final four. And he might be

“Kyrie Irving. We're not going to take them because we have Darryl and that's the only way I can”

think of it. I was talking to a Giants fan today who is one of the funniest things. And this is why I think the draft will eventually become way less boring and actually pretty funny. You have the Jets and the Giants, both of whom are like, all their fans are like, you know, the Giants are five defense are like, we should probably take love, right? But then everyone takes a run back in the top five. It's a disaster. Downs is another one. Nobody wants to take a safety that high. You have a

money. You have a big board. You have a fifth. But as you as you laid out the Seahawks, over and over again, we see these teams, they stack the offensive and the defensive lines and then build out. And if you have the quarterback and the two lines, the rest is a lot easier. And then over and over again,

find safety is anywhere. So why don't these teams try to bear the Seahawks and actually just try to

build out the lines? The Eagles are another example, right? Yes. The last two Super Bowl winners,

“right? This year's unique. I can't remember, I've been doing this like I said, 26 years. I can't”

remember a year in which you can make an actual strong argument that the three best players are running back a safety and off ball linebacker in sunny styles. Like three of the positions we've learned to save money on over the years. Right. And then our Val Rees, who we're calling an edge, was kind of a hybrid edge off ball linebacker. Yeah. And if you so and you're projected, yeah, he's going to be the next Michael Parsons. But the tape doesn't show that he's there.

Michael didn't, you know, Michael was one into the Cowboys locker room as a rookie as an off ball

linebacker. There was some injuries. He went to edge and we know the story how it played out

from there. So it's that part's fascinating because I talked to James, but we did six interviews at the combine, right, with general managers. And every single one of them, I talked to a bunch of other ones in the league. It's this mantra of you don't pass up on a Hall of Fame player in the draft. You take the best players. Are there Hall of Fame players in this draft? Other than maybe sunny, sunny styles could become a Hall of Fame linebacker. Yeah, okay. He is, he is to it. And

in Jeremiah love could become a Hall of Fame back. And in Caleb Downs could become a Hall of Fame safe. They're, they're all that good. But on, it's kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth that you don't pass up on a Hall of Fame player or guy that you have that high in your board with that grade. But then you look at the economics of it. And you say, this doesn't work. Yeah, look at, running back, every running back taken in the top 10, not want to go back to Todd

Gurley. We're talking about, you know, for net Christian McAfrey, B. John, Ashton, Gen. D. Safe one. None of them have won a Super Bowl with the team that they were drafted by or not more made this Super Bowl with the team there. Gurley made a Super Bowl later on. But, but yeah, not one of them actually won a Super Bowl. And, yeah, only, and it's been a long time since

“the running back drafted in the top 10. I think Gurley was 10 overall, too. We wound up even”

making it to a Super Bowl. So, Peterson was the last, I don't regret this at all running back, taking that high. I'd have to look at it, but I think you're probably right. And then it

made this a broken. And that was one of my first years. So that was like, or what was that? 2000

it was a one to 1000. Yeah, somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess Tom will be another one that you don't regret taking him where they took him. Right. Right. Odds are you're going to end the other way. I mean, the genty thing was instructive because this is why we love the draft. The longer you stare at it and stare at it, you get seduced in your the raiders. You can't block your a complete mess. You're bringing a new coach and you have genty and it's like, you know what, this guy might be

awesome. And then all of a sudden you're taking him at six. And he spends the year like running for his life and being tackled by four guys. You don't have enoughence of lying. You don't have a quarter back. You don't have receivers. It's just, it's not the right spot for him. Yeah. Now, now Washington, the giants, I feel like they've solidified their offensive line. I like the giant

“spot for him. Even if it seems a little high because I think they have a lot of talent. Like”

they're not a typical top five team with new coach and all the blue chippers and guys coming back. From injuries and they might actually have a quarter back and they're going to have an easier schedule and you put him in and if he's like a superstar right away, that might be like if if they're picking 90 would say, of course, do it. But fifth, it feels a tiny bit high. But I think the giants and the Titans are two teams that are going to be a lot better next year that are

going to make the biggest jumps. Now, obviously the chiefs are sitting there at number nine and we don't know what's going to happen with Patrick and you know, he's going to be back to form and everything's going to be fine. But but of the let's say the top eight teams, I think the two that could make the biggest jumps will be Tennessee and the giants. I really do. What about Washington at seven? Because that in my head, I feel like that's where he's going. How did that happen last

year, man? You know what I mean? Like I want you to think back to that NFC playoff run with Jordan Daniels and it was like, oh my gosh, you know, he's better than Caleb he's better than Drake. Well, you know, that new ownership, new staff, you know, like everything feels right and to see what the product was the end of last season and what eight months, nine months was pretty wild. It's a hard schedule. Daniels got hurt. They had old guys that, you know, that can be a 50

50 coin flip. A lot of the old guys either got old or got hurt. You know, the momentum starts

make the way my worst case there for the for the patriots. Yeah, you're you're down on next year already. I'm not just casual. The schedule is brutal. And I do think they over achieved a little bit. But and I didn't love the fridge. See, it was fine. It was a lot of sideways stuff. I don't, I don't know if you could say they were better. Now, we'll see the draft. But don't you think AJ Brown's going to be a patriot. We're dead. You're doing this to me. Yeah. After way, after June 1st, he loves

rabble. He grew up really into the patriots. There's only one other shooter. The Rams, the Rams. And it's like you, if you're, if you're the Eagles, maybe you're talking yourself into

I'd rather have next year's paths first because maybe they're not going to be that good. Maybe they

don't have better to give an NFC opponent in the playoffs, AJ Brown. Do we know why he wasn't nearly as good as he normally was last year? I mean, the whole, he, I mean, there's multiple layers. It's not a talent thing. It's, he's, how do I put this kind of, can, can flow, can fluctuate a lot, he's a fluctuator. He's a fluctuator. Right. And then, and then the whole offense was a mess.

“And the timing wasn't right. And the quarterback play got frustrating. And I think it started”

with the coaching and the, and the system, the scheme and all that. So, I think it's, yeah, I, I will be more surprised if he's not a patriot by July 1st than I will be if he's, oh my god. So, you're looking at that, like, so they signed doves. Like I just did my mock draft assuming that he's going to be a, a patriot. Okay. Because that, because that was another thing that made this draft really fun is there's

just really good receivers. And we might have a situation where, oh, it's low teams are grabbing players. And there's two receivers left. And one of them just starts dropping because everybody has their receiver. And now six more picks have gone and nobody needs a receiver and all of a sudden, somebody awesome falls to 31. We can see a record. We can see two times. And he was 22 and 22.

What is the number? I want to say 13 receivers have gone in the first two rounds. That's the

“most I went back to 1967, the commentary after era. I think there could be 13 again this year”

and possibly 14. And the first two rounds. And the first two rounds, there's, there's no Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, you know, Larry Fitzgerald, Mark Chase. But, but when you get to pick, it could start at six with, with Cleveland with with, with Carnell Tate from Ohio State. But from that point on, like McIleman from USC's an absolute dog. Jordan Tyson reminds me of Stefan Diggs coming out of Arizona State has some injuries that would make mid first, but could be a steal.

Omar Cooper Jr. from Indiana really good who would be a perfect fit for McVay in that system.

I look at, even as teammate allows you to surround as a second round pick is a big ax on the outside,

Denzel Boston's another big ax out of Washington. Notre Dame's got one of Malachi fields. I mean, Casey conceptions of great after the catch and super quick and fast, there's just, I mean, I could literally sit here and list 13, but I don't think it's really good for podcast. I've been scouting some of them, by the way, I had, I do have some thoughts and give me some. I really like Cooper.

I do, too. Because he's, he's basically between, if you look at, and I've looked at all of them, if you, he's usually between like 13, there's been a couple where he's been at the bottom of the round just because people are moving, other receivers up. I don't know where he's going to go, but he's just like, there's no way he's not going to be good.

“That's the one of them. I think the Ravens are 14, right? Yeah. I'd be surprised if he gets past”

it depends on where the first one goes, right? Because it's going to go take and then either lemon or Tyson, those three will should be the first three off the board. Wouldn't shock me if I'm our Cooper Junior when I had one of those guys, but you have them 17th on your board, the three guys in front of them. So 17, we probably be the parachute, but I think you could go 13 or 14, I really do. Like him. I don't, some of the other ones, I'm so scarred with the pads because

they've missed on so many receivers like you don't forever, but there's some other, like one of the things that I like about this draft if you go and glass half full on this draft being, being really fun. There's teams where I'm just like, I look at Cleveland. I'm like, you guys need everything. I don't even know, like, they take a receiver at six, like, what's that going to do? You don't,

But I mean, you're completely revamped off that sub line and this bizarre quarterback situation

with Sanders and Watson. And I'm like, if they, like, if they took, you have, you have eight, ninth on your big board, but if they took him six, I would just immediately feel bad for him. It's like, man, that sucks. I know it's nice to be playing home, but what a shady situation. You know, same thing if you get picked by the dolphins. It's like, cool. I'm not going to have a quarterback. Yeah. Those are, the dolphins are different because they brought in Malik and then just

decided to trash the rest of the roster. Right. They brought it, Malik Malik would know anything. It's like, all right. It's gross. Yeah, for his safety. But, but there, here's another storyline that I'm kind of fascinated by. Next year's draft. Yeah. I've pitched this to you yet, but I really want to, the Washington DC lawn, like, arch and Dante and I just think there's, we could make a, I want you there in Washington with us. Okay. I wanted, I wanted to be a scene. Anyway,

next year's draft has a chance to be one of if not the best quarterback drafts of all time. But the thing that kind of is getting overlooked is there's a ton of other talent, too. So, you look at this from a, like, the jets for a fact, I know.

Like, they, one of their deals for the first, you know, when they get multiple action, they, they dealt

Quinn and defensive tackle. They dealt, they dealt, sauce gardener and cornerback. Yeah. Their whole plan was, at least we don't want the one this year, we'll take a, a two this year, give us the one next year. So now they've got two first rounders this year. They've got eight picks in the first two rounds this year and next year combined. But they got the three first rounders next year. Yeah. They're one of a few teams where it's, we're, we're operating under

2026. Again, we want to win some games and we want the fans to be happy and the owners to be happy.

“We're building for 27. And that's, that's why you bring in a genome. They're going to win”

enough games where it doesn't completely implode and what he doesn't fire everybody. But they're going to be in a position where they, they can get their quote out. Or you bring it back to lose all your games. Did you see him last year? I mean, if you, if you want to be bad, I would start with 2025 Geno repeating it. I, I promise you the mantra was we want to want enough to keep this job and everything like it doesn't blow up. But, but not enough where we have to package too many

picks to go move up and get our guy. Yeah. Then you've got Arizona. Everyone's saying

tie Simpson now. Maybe Arizona trades up into the first round or maybe they move out of three

if a team wants to move up for Jeremiah love or whoever it would be. Arizona, though, a kind of looks like if they don't, if it's not tie Simpson, they're, they're working towards 2027. Right? So in the Cleveland Browns, you just mentioned that's what got me thinking. The Cleveland Browns and let's get it. Let's get a wide receiver. Let's get Carnotated six and Caleb Lomo, the offensive tackle it at 24. Right. And let's, let's, let's see what Shidorah does.

And if, if he has this miraculous season and it looks like he's our guy great. That's a win, but it probably we're going to address quarterback in 27 as well. So that's three organizations

“right there that I think very much are kind of working towards, not tanking for a couple of them,”

but working towards 27 already. Yeah. We don't use tanking in football because there's less games and it's so violent and these guys aren't. It's not like what we're doing in the NBA, which has been a complete disgrace, but there are things you can do. And we've seen it, we, you know, we saw with Vegas last year where you're shutting down Crosby when he wants to play. Yes, there's a couple of those moments you have. I think the Browns would have the easiest

path to do that because either quarterback choice is going to be pretty, pretty bad for them. Miami, I don't really understand why they torpedo the roster and sign milk will this. That didn't make sense. Honestly, it makes sense to me. I get the torpedo in the roster and throwing away the year, but then why are you also making like a pretty sizable bet on this guy to be a franchise quarterback for you? But then you're just giving him the worst car possible to

drive. I don't, what are you going to learn from that next year? Nothing. Yeah. I mean, thankfully for him, he's, he's mobile and, and hopefully can, can endure it.

“And I mean, honestly, what is it like? John Eric Sullivan, the new Jim, like, I actually believe”

like he, he's doing all the right things. It's almost like you want to put Malik on the shelf and play him in like six, six, eight games and protect him. And so he's ready for 20, 27. But it is, it's challenging to look at that roster and see where you're getting five, six wins, you know? Yeah. All right. So other storylines we have, the sunny style thing who is the combat superhero of the share was he the big winner of combat superhero cape, the one that got everyone the most excited.

Yes, also a great player though, but yeah, yeah, but I mean, he, everyone came out of that

Yeah. So you're getting, you're getting, I got to talk to one, one decision maker will call

him who's like, this guy's going to be CEO of a company like he's, he's that level. And, and this, and then this league, it's like, he can play the overhang and cover slot guys. He can, he, he actually, if you look at his production as a past Russia, he had about half as many edge rush opportunities as Arvelle Reese over the last two years. But he was just, he was on par in terms of sex, pressures, all that with what Arvelle did.

And so I'm not saying he's going to be that guy, but I do think his role is not going to be that of your traditional off-ball linebacker. So I would take him in the top five.

“I was going to ask him, would you, would you take him two or three?”

Over the other choices? I actually would. Yeah. It seems like you would. I could tell from reading you, it seems like Reese, Reese feels flimsy to me. Where it's like, best case there, Michael Parsons. And we've seen these guys where it's like, sometimes the worst case scenario, you're like, oh, I can't believe it turned out like this. It just seems like he's almost like a coin flip, which I don't want to do it number two.

I'd rather, I'm going to show you things that number two. I mean, he really, he is, he's like a sideboard, you know, again, just the power, the speed, the length, all of it. His past, like, there's a lot of great flashes and he got, he got a lot

of reps as an edged russia this year. The problem is if he, if he goes full time in the NFL at

edged, and he's not as big as sunny styles. Yeah. If he goes full time in edged, and it works out where he's just okay. Now you're dropping him back to off-ball linebacker or having to play this hybrid role. He's not great. I mean, he's good. He's okay, but he's not great dropping into coverage like sunny isn't. Yeah. So, so what do you have? And so, yeah, there's a lot I want to bet on. Where a sunny, you know, you know what he is, you know, it is going to be. I know he's going to be

awesome. Former safety, playing linebacker, has shown that he can rush the past for at times. In this league with all the personnel packages and trying to keep the same 11 on the field and

“want to be multiple, I just, I think he has more value sunny styles does than even five years”

ago in the league. So, is it crazy to think if, if he's there at five, the giants just say, fuck it. Let's add it. I would say sunny styles, if I was the giants. Yeah. Even though they brought in Tremaine Edmonds, their run defense has been a trotace. They want to be a physical team under Harba. Yeah, you like Jeremiah love, but maybe you'd draft another back to go with, with Scataboo and Tyrone Tracy. I think sunny styles would bring that and then you think about what they have

an edge, right? I think he would be would take that defense to another level. The giants are in a good spot. Like they kind of can't screw it up. Right. If you take Jeremiah love, yeah, you deal with the economics of it, but he's the identity of what they want to be with a mobile quarterback, with a back who took the league by storm and Scataboo. But that can't, that's not sustainable. His running style, like one season injured and now he's coming off of an injury. Yeah. So that would be

“that's a win. Sunny styles is a win. Caleb downs his worth the pick, but I'd be more excited”

about sunny styles of him being honest. And it's the most fun if love goes seven with Daniels with the redjuvenated commander's team and us and mid September be like holy shit, Daniels and love the speed and watch his team try to figure out blah, blah, blah, blah. Yep. That'd be fun. Yep. I'm going to be a lot of fun. I can't think of a real fun jet scenario, unfortunately. It's going to be taking an edge russure. It's going to be balier or arvelas, my guess it, too.

And then just be that six, it's 16 take wide receiver. Yeah, just. But the beauty is like, what do they have? 11 overall picks. They're, again, they're building for 2027. This is about putting pieces in to get ready when you do insert that quarterback next year and hopefully don't have to use all three picks to go get them. That they'll be ready to roll. You know what's going to be fascinating. This is, this is over a year. This is a year and 30 days away. Yeah. Um,

we'll arch go to the jets if the jets have the first overall pick. Oh, the repeat of the Eli. Oh, wow. Mm-hmm. Yep. I don't know why it doesn't happen more. Like ace Bailey kind of passive aggressively tried his team try to do it when he wanted to go to Washington and you top picked

them. They just ended up going. But we've never seen it. Yeah. We've never seen anybody just

especially now with the N.I.L. stuff. I don't know exactly what the rules would be if somebody just been like, yeah, I don't like taking the draft to me. I'm going back. Um, because I don't know if there are any rules and college sports anymore. But I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

clippers? He was just like, I'm out. Um, Francis did it with the Vancouver Grizzlies. And then we

“had Eli do it and Elway do it. But it's the numbers less than 10 in my lifetime of guys have just”

said, yeah, I'm not going there. No thanks. It'll, that will be fascinating because we're tracking towards, you know, maybe it's Miami at one, but the jets are very likely to be one of the top,

the jets are likely to have a top five pick. And, and if they, if they don't own the first pick,

then they have the capital to go get that first pick if it's a team that doesn't need a quarter back. So if it was like, my son or your son and they were in this situation and the two teams looking at them were the jets or the browns knowing everything we know. I bet you're not playing there. We're holding out. If I had any kind of control. Yeah, we're holding out. You're not going to Cleveland. No, thank you. It's not happening. Same for the jets. Like, it's no, like we'll

wait them out. Eventually they're going to have to trade you. What are they going to do? Just getting nothing for the asset. Let's be patient. If you, hopefully we'll have a 20-year career. You're not starting to hear a career there. Like, proved us, you couldn't have a competent franchise for a year before we, I said my son there. I'm amazed it doesn't have more often. Yeah. Next year's going to be, that, that part will be intriguing to see where the jets

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“stretch and owners who have seen their team, valuation, skyrocket. So I think at the Celtics,”

I'm the mid-2000 tens. When it seemed like they were tanking, then they made a stealth move for Isaiah Thomas. They drafted well with Marcus Smart. All the sudden they had cap space in 2016,

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This tax season, simplify your moves, maximize your refund. Visit taxac.com, learn more, conditions apply. See taxac.com for details. See I've already talked myself way more, and so they're just talking to you for a half hour. I'm way more excited. The chiefs, the chiefs just being on the board with my homes, you know, in July, it would be like, my homes are doing great. He's, he's running full speed already. We'll be getting those stories

around July 10th. Kelsey already resigned. Easier schedule, they brought back the enemy. We're going to have the whole Andy Reed. I had to come to Jesus' moment last year. I've got to do better. I'm not the same guy. I was 10 years ago. I got a double down. I can still be a good coach. And then they have this ninth pick. That could be a really exciting player. This could be the most impactful offense of where they've drafted since Tyreech, which was nine years ago. Eight years

ago I remember. I guess my home was the most they traded up for him. But yeah, it's to have an out of a guy, you know, they got love. They got one of these receivers. This would be a real thing for them. I actually heard that if Jeremiah loves somehow gets to nine, which I don't think he will, but if he gets to nine, even though they sign Kenneth Walker, they would still entertain drafting them there, which would be fascinating, right? Wow. It would kind of signal whole new chief's

offensive mindset. But more realistic is are we taking an edge russia? Are we taking one sword delane? The LSU corner back was clearly the best corner back after we just let our top two corners walk out the building. Well, they have two firsts though. So maybe they get the nine out of the bed. Yeah, at 29. But um, so delane would be in play there. If like a if a Ruben Bane were to fall,

“I think he would be in play there. But if not, is it is it a widers? I mean, they've missed”

from sky more, it was she, she'd rice, was she rice? They need someone reliable and receiver.

it'll be fascinating. They've got those two first round picks and an opportunity to kind of turn things right back around. So Brett Veech is one of the better talent evaluators out there, but has not, you know, it hasn't been the best track record with offensive skill guys. You know, um, yeah. The Clyde a layer Edwards a layer. That was tough. And then the the wide receivers. So like

do you just go with Andy reads always been really good identifying offensive linemen. They've been

good identifying defensive what are they just going to go at one of those positions? Or are they

“going to try to make a splash and actually hit on one of these offensive weapons for for Patrick?”

So if love somehow fell to nine and they didn't take them because that I would just sign Kai the Walker. We're not taking them. The next two teams are the Bengals and the Dolphins. And then the Cowboys at 12. Ready to do the all-time victory party of the best guy in the draft all them at 12. This never happens. Usually if he gets to around seven to eight, somebody will trade up to take them. I think would be how it plays out. I just don't see him go in

past seven or eight. The other guy. The commanders don't want them or don't see the value and get an offer. I think they can move out of that spot. They pick it seven, but they don't pick again

until 77 in the third round. Yes. Maybe they can try to recruit that. Yeah. Maybe the Rams. What about the

Rams? Wow. Right. We sit in there at seven. We don't have to give the biggest offer to go from 13 to seven. We put him in the backfield. We get some good backs. You share that's not the Cowboys.

“Just move it up five spots far. They have two picks. I think the Cowboys got to go defense, but yeah.”

Yeah. You're talking about them like they're a rational franchise. This is Jerry Jenner. I know. I know. Wait. Jeremiah loves to the board. We got to get him. Straight up for that guy. He's great. I just feel like that's like the classic splashy. We've won first take the next day kind of draft pick that the kind of move that they make. Yes. They will definitely win first take and get up. I promise. Well, and that's regardless of who they take.

Well, and that leads to the tie Simpson thing. He's isn't like the low 20s seems like where people have them like around somebody taking a fire at them between like 27 and 25. Fascinating, man.

One guy who's never drafted before, right, but has played the position, but it's one of the

like Oralovsky comes out and says I would take a number one. Now, everyone's pointing to

“he they're both represented by CAA and like, fine, I've been I was texting with Oralovsky”

like a month ago about what we were seeing on tape. The funny part is or the interesting part is I've probably been the highest like even talking like Daniel Jeremiah like yeah, he and I were kind of going back and forth on like I'm I'm clearly higher on tie Simpson than he is, but we were happy but being rational about it, right? With tie Simpson, here's the problem. If you're a purist, right? And you you grew up in Boston like think about growing up baseball like the it's

it's a romantic, right? Yeah. If you're a purist and you're someone who just like you studied the quarterback position your whole life and you put on the tape for tie Simpson, it's like watching Willie Mays or like one of it, you know what I mean? It's it's how the game's supposed to be planned. It's pre-snap. It's it's identifying it's control at the line of scrimmage. It's utilizing the motions pre-snap and and tendencies on the defensive side to identify and post-snap. It's

quick reads. It's everything's in rhythm. Everything's on schedule. Balls out on time, throwing with anticipation, hitting spots, leading receivers. It's a it's a beautiful. But then you get to game nine or ten and the play starts to decline. Now if I'm making excuses for tie Simpson, it's well, they had like the 126 best running game in the in all of college football, which is like mind blowing for Alabama. Yeah. Then you've got the past protection that started to fail,

because Brent Venables came to town with that Oklahoma defense and kind of showed some weaknesses and how to attack it. From that point on, everyone was kind of doing some of the same things. Then you got he's taking a beating and he's got gastritis and by the time he gets to the rose boy down to his 212 pound quarterback at the time by he was down to 190. And then your top-wide receiver, the star playmaker, who came in recruiting class, but one day and one B was he

Ryan Williams and Jeremiah Smith at Ohio State. Yeah. And he just disappears. So all those factors add up. And so if you're watching the tape into November, tie Simpson's clearly better than

But the fourth quarter after he made mistakes, interceptions and all those games late in those games,

“after that when the game was on the line and all the pressure was there, he was perfect. He was”

awesome. And then you fast forward, I'm telling you, if you just watch the Ohio State tape of Mendoza, you're like, this guy's generational. It's toughness, the decisiveness he's on the move. They're hitting his ass. They're getting after him, man. Like he got hit in that very first play, looked like he should have been knocked out. Then later in the game, no one talks about it. That same defender, King Curry comes and hits him in the end zone. Head hits the turf.

Like and he just never flinched. So and so when the as the season progressed and he got more

comfortable with that offense and the reads and the adjustment, he was he was phenomenal. Like all those top 10 teams he faced at the time and he was like seven or eight teams. He was like 85 percent completion. So you compare all those things and then you look at one guy who's six foot five and two hundred and thirty two pounds and did all those things, but but progress, but in an offense where RPO stressing defenses, they've got to play honest. He has one read, makes a decision,

falls out and he's awesome at it, but it's not that easy in the NFL and he had us some receivers. Two guys who were going to be drafted, I just told you probably in the first two rounds and a third one who might be the best of them, Charlie Becker, who came out of nowhere and a two running backstick could be drafted. So all those things and now you've got Alabama, right? Six one, down to a hundred and ninety pounds, bucked up to two twelve, couldn't say healthy as one year as a starter.

Fifteen starts, it means you are the outlier of outliers. Anyone with the fewer than 25

starts, it's been a struggle, anyone with fewer than 20 starts, it's been an outright bust as a first

round pick at quarterback. So it's this juggling of like my eyes tell me tie since since every bit as good in some ways better and more NFL ready, then Mendoza, but history and general managers who have to who have to assess risk are saying Mendoza's, Mendoza's the safer pit. He's got more of he's got he's in that range of starts. He's in that range of size. He can run on the straight line. He won the big gains. That's the debate. And so one person comes out this week, right? Norlovsky

and I don't think he's wrong with what he's saying in a lot of regards. And it's cool if you want him to be your number one, number one quarterback ahead of Mendoza. He's not alone. I've also talked

to people in the league who would take Simpson over Mendoza. But A, the Raiders are taking Mendoza.

Yeah. And B, I don't know why it has to be this huge. Like it is the story. Like the Mark's madness is going on. Everything on my timeline, every show I turn on is Orlovsky, CAA, how do you have Ty Simpson? He said that Mendoza didn't play in big games. It's pretty wild, you know, to see how one person can have these opinions, which are not wrong in a lot of regards, but are not shared by the majority of teams in the league. Can now set off this, this brush fire,

“you know? See, I think it makes sense because people love the NFL draft. And there was no”

controversy with the NFL draft. And it's March 24th. I really think people just love arguing about the draft. And we needed a moment for somebody to say something wherever it's like, wait, what? And then now we're off and now we're going in and now we have some Ty Simpson stuff. I think that's really it. Because you didn't mention when you were laying out the Mendoza case, like really, really smart, which teams love. They love when guys have just these

crazy brands, which it seems like he has. So be able to remember the entire offense right away. Like they love that shit. And Brady's pulling the strings there, right? And Brady, I probably sees a lot of a young Tom in Mendoza. He was a two or three star recruit depending on who you talk to. Yeah. Couldn't they, they wouldn't let him walk on at Miami. He had one offer coming out of Christopher Columbus High School in Miami. Yeah. And it was two Yale, non-scholarship. He

committed to Yale. And then wound up getting an offer late from Cal. It was his only scholarship offer and he takes it. Red shirts and kind of prose, you know, incrementally gets this opportunity in Indiana. And I said in the summer, when we did our show, I said in the summer, that this

“guy is the first rounder if he, if he develops and I think he will understand that. And people”

thought I was crazy then. But I was probably also last to market. It took that Ohio State game for me to go chips all in on Mendoza. So it's an unbelievable story. And I think Tom, see, you know, having spent a lot of time of brain greasy and knowing what Tom was up against that Michigan. And seeing he kind of, he probably relates to what he's been through. And then the

Raiders that he's going to be picked. And I think he'll do really well in Quebec system. That's the thing we don't talk about enough is, Quebec's a good fit for him. Yeah. And we'll hide some of his weaknesses and kind of just like Signetti and that staff did at Indiana, they will know what to do to protect him from what his weaknesses are while he develops. Well, they had the devastating Max Crosby cancellation trade where they were clearly traded in this guy who I don't want to say

is a bum knee, but I don't think it's a healthy knee. They were going to get two first round picks

for him. He's heading into his 30s. Like that trade would have been amazing. So now I don't, I don't

know what the, what that is. Speaking of trades, by the way, with Simpson. So we saw this with Dart last year. And you were kind of hinting at it, not quite predicting it, but that somebody was going to get aggressive and maybe try to move up and try to grab him. How, what's the realistic range for you with Simpson for somebody to be like, like, what number are we looking at or

“some is like, we got to get this guy. We got to trade up to here. I think back half of the first”

round anywhere in there. Now, depending on what to show you, watch and I'm getting ready earlier today. And I show on the background. They're talking about like, well, maybe Arizona moves back from three. They could take him at, you know, eight and nine to like, um, I don't know that it's going to be there. I 16 is, it seems like the jumping off point. That's the jets. And less the plan has changed. I'm, I'm, I'm, I know the plan is 2027 for the jets quarterback. So it, yeah, I would

say 17, barring something that's completely unforeseen at this point. 17, and I'm not saying that taking, but like, when we get 17 and beyond in the first round is about where I think the range for him would be based off of where I evaluate him, but it also is like that everything I just went through, what he is on tape versus he's an outlier. He's going to be an outlier in a couple of regards. So I think that, and if it's Arizona moving in somewhere like the giants to last year, I knew the

“giants wanted to move up. Yeah. But the funny part was in talking to it to table offline,”

and really fascinating, having, having spent a lot of time talking to Brian Dable recently, before he took the Titans job. Like, and then talking to Mike Burganzi, the GM of the, of the Titans, and now they're working together, but Dable's starts in there trying to talk him into taking Jalen Carter, you know, move back to three. Yeah. They offered a boatload to go get cam work. And now Dable gets fired by the giants, gets an opportunity to go work with the guy, and he loves Jackson

Dart. He talked Joe Shane into moving up to go get him, and he loves Skatibu. Those were his two picks last year, but, but, but now he gets to work with cam work. The guy that they were, they wanted to give away a whole lot to go get him. But the giants, I kind of knew about two weeks out that this is the plan. The plan is we're going to stick a three and take out dual, and the Shador thing blew up, and I knew the pine stories and some of the things that happened in

some of the meetings, and it wasn't good. I didn't know he's going to fall in the fifth. I thought, yeah, second round is probably where it's going to happen, but then you start to hear people in the league and you understand the why. My point is, the giants played it perfectly. Let's get our guy here,

“just like the Cardinal sitting there at three, and then let's move up for, I think they're 34 in the”

second round, and let's move into that mid 20s range to get ahead of anyone else who could potentially try to come and get him, if the opportunity presents itself. So I think if the Cardinal's likes,

it's like, so Eagles at 23, who are always like thinking ahead of time, can we just try and

know how to react at the 34, and then back into the first or something? Yeah, because the other one I was looking at was the jets at 16 tying into what you were saying earlier about how they care about 27, not 26, and if you could get Arizona to move up to 16 and get next year's first from them and flip like, you know, a second and a third, whatever, but now you have Arizona's first of the three first you already have. You're thinking about that. Yeah, if your Arizona who scares you

from from picks, if the jets are willing to move, that means they're not taking time. Right. And then who scares 24 is the next team you look at and say, I'm just saying a multiple teams are trying to trade up to 16 and you're going to get them. If you like them, we don't even know if the Cardinal's

like them, but yeah, I felt like 16 would be in play. I'm always prepared for the Eagles,

the Browns because they don't care about next this upcoming season either. They would probably think about it. I wonder, you mentioned the Titans about dayball and just, you know, that they have a really interesting structure because they're two guys that I didn't like as head coaches, but I do like like, I thought salad had a good job with the Niners. I just think he's a really good defensive. Even when he left the jets, like they completely fell apart on defense the moment he

maybe the wrong city for him. Maybe he shouldn't be a head coach, but I like the combo of them together. Or it's like just I love it. You handle the offense. I'm going to do the team and the defense and we're going to work together. And I wonder because dayball was at Buffalo seeing like how they were able to build around Josh and came more like, I wonder what the lessons good and bad

were for him with how they built the bills, right? Because ultimately like when they got cook,

I think that made Josh's life a lot easier in a whole bunch of ways. And I wonder if they would think that way would love it for for Tennessee, like, let's take this guys going to run it now. Now we have the two game breakers and we can build around that. I would be shocked if Brian's not pushing hard with Mike Morgansey, the general manager and and Rosala to to take Jeremiah love it for. I would be shocked. That doesn't mean it's going to happen. For all the reasons I laid out earlier

and we want to make that financial commitment to a running back where we could go get a defense

“event here, you know. But but I also the best thing that happened to Cam Ward is Brian”

Dable took that job and didn't get a head coaching job with Buffalo or anywhere else. It's what he does best. Like Daniel Slaher's name. It was it was a miracle that that guy just wanted to be the offensive coordinator and like commit for a few years. Right. And it had to bend anyone else besides Cam Ward. I don't know how how you know thrilled he would have been about doing it. Yeah. He wanted to work with him that badly. So now you if you throw it. And I

shepher came out last week and said, I don't see it at 10 to see. I don't think it's going to be 10 to

see. And I made a couple calls and you know I never want to call these source and they're never

going to give me the information specifically on that. But I can see it both ways. I think there's going to be some internal debate which is healthy on on what we do with that pick. They spent a lot of money more money on free agency on the defense upside than they get the offensive side, which leads me to believe like the breadcrumbs. They're planed. They've got everything in place with a really good defensive coordinator and a really good head coaches and defensive coach that we can go out and spend

that pick on an offensive weapon. So then they kept Simmons, which I mean they're defensive. Yeah, pretty good next. And these throwing sala, you throw in how bad their coaching was last year. You know, and they have an interim coach. It's just a mess and they were a mess to watch. That's a

team. I don't know if they could win that a vision, but when you think every year we have the

“fourth to first team and you're looking at candidates. I think they're definitely a candidate.”

It's not like I totally agree. It's not like in that and that. I think South, like the love any FC South team, we have no idea what Daniel Jones who knows what Jacksonville year after a pretty good year of them than Houston with CJ. I don't know. I could see I could see good stuff happen. The last thing I just wanted to mention quick, because normally teams shoot high on the offensive line, especially in the top 10, but it's a bad offensive line year for like blue chippers.

And yet every year that doesn't stop somebody from being like, look man, we just need a tackle. Like, this guy is 15th on our board, but it still makes sense for to take them at six because we're not getting a tackle otherwise. Do you see that happening with any of these guys? I think it's almost going to be an exact mirror of what happened last year. It may start a couple picks later or it could start at three with the cardinals, like Francis Maui Noa coming out of

Miami. The problem with this class is Maui Noa is an awesome player, phenomenal athlete from 320 plus pounds, 330 pounds. But he's not your, he's a right tackle, he's been a right tackle, he's going to be a right tackle and in worst case he's a guard. Then you've got Spencer Fano, who's terrific athlete and plays like smart and he, like the energy has and great zone blocker and all those things, but some teams are working them out as a center because he may be in a

lead center because he's got the, both he's got short arms, right? And then you've got short arms.

“I got, well, Campbell, PTSD. Did you try to think about the short arms?”

Did you see, um, when we sat down with the, with the Patriots GM and, and, uh, and I, you know, I'm talking about, you know, you grew up of son of a Hall of Fame general manager and, and you've watched in film in Lambo field before, take us through what you develop and I ask you a couple of questions, not not buttering up, but like, let's get, let's start with the history of it. Yeah. Mench comes in. Uh-huh. We're up in Andover, you know, he's a New England guy, Patriots fan.

Everyone is life paid. Yeah. He comes in with this haymaker off the top rope of, you know, I thought at the time when Will Campbell, when you guys drafted Will Campbell, he had short arms, and I saw it on tape. And this is, you know, sometimes a short short arms, like if you don't see it on tape,

And is he going to be your left tackle? And the response is Will Campbell is our starting left

“tag. And I'm sitting there. I'm like, oh my gosh, how do I every cover for?”

But it was great. He handled it well. They've been adamant. This is our left tackle. There's no discussion. There's no debate. There's no time. There's no time. Pre-injury. And he was holding

up just fine. And you give him a second year in development and kind of the motivation from that,

I think he's actually going to be all right. But that's the problem with how that Patriots is and ended among many of the problems, including getting shellacked and the Super Bowl. We have no idea how healthy Will Campbell was, and we have no idea how healthy Drake may was. And they can't really tell us after the fact, right, because they got to file those injure reports and what you do that. Well, I feel like they've kind of told us if they've kind of told us

with Campbell. Yeah, and Campbell's even admitted, like I have a torn MCL that probably shouldn't have played with, but it's the playoffs. Drake may, I don't know if we'll ever get an answer. Probably not. No. Yeah, it would. Yeah. I think the answer lies in the tape. And some of the plays that we know the answer. I think we know the answer bill. I mean, you watched it even more closely than I did. Like that, that is not that the last few games and

last two games, it just it wasn't it wasn't the same. So yeah, even down to the plays, they called for

“him. We're not the same. That's what may be the most suspicious like rolling them out to the right”

where he could throw like they just didn't want to do it. Right. So that and anything where he might get hit, they didn't want to do it. Yeah. And that was such a big part of what they were. Like I was I told you, I was at that bill's game where they jumped out to the big lead. He was every bit of running back early in that game when they got the big lead before they wound up giving, you know, they come back from the bills and just like his mobility is such a

big part of what they do. So my last thing and then we have to go, I really want the pitches to get a tight end. My dream for them would be 31 a tight end, but there's no tight ends. There's one guy who's going to go from the guy from Oregon's going to go before they pick. Yeah, there's no chance he could. He thought of the 20s and could they move up.

Can I like dream about this for a second? I just did a mock to afterwards to Deac fell to 27 to the

49ers and I went there with because George Kiddles injury. I don't think it's I'm not banking on it, but I like if you're the pit, I get it. I don't to me he's not Tyler Warren and he's he's not close and loved one. I think he's a really good player, but I don't I don't think he's at that level. So as we're continuing to build if your Patriots fans, like I don't know that I want to give up capital to go get a tight end. Okay. I also will say this. Maybe get two of them on day three.

This class is weirdly they have 28 tight ends invited to the combine. It's a mess in the history of the combine. It's there's no elite guys, but like this Marlin Klein from Michigan, they just had them block and when they threw them the ball under would couldn't throw the ball and it was disaster. At Michigan. So I like him. I like Sam Raus from Stanford. There's two SMU guys that can run. They're like there's a lot of good tight ends. I feel like maybe you'd double up on tight end and day three

and see if you can hit the jackpot with one of these these kind of guys. So we'll see how it plays out. My guess with them, it was interesting that they got Buffalo's full back. Right. Because I actually looked when they ran out of the eye, they just didn't really the personnel for it, but it was I didn't understand why they didn't do it more in the Super Bowl. And with dubs and if we think AJ Brown's a possibility, that takes receiver off. But I just

want them to have tight ends and blocking options and they built it go bigger, small, depending on

“that's what they didn't have last year. And I think the best teams are offensively and Seattle was”

a good example of this. And so it was the ramps. These teams that could go bigger, smaller, depending on what the situation was. They had no flexibility to do that. I would like to be able to see them do that. Yeah, I dream. They will this year. They will. It's the evolution. It's, you know,

this is the first year and kind of, it's a brutal step. It's not a miracle, but yeah, I mean you've

been out now like how many years, but you just sound like the people I'm surrounded by here. My whole life, basically. The good news is Miami and the jets four times. The bad news is basically everybody else is the schedule. But you do have four games that should be pretty one of all. All right. Before you go, give me, give me one completely insane prediction. That's not that insane. A completely insane prediction now would

make me go, oh my god. But then we could replay it on April 30th. I'm like, make sure you fucking call this in the completely insane prediction section. Cole Payton to North Dakota State's quarterback

role Tim Teebo had was a Chris Leak his freshman year where he came in off the bench and would

“rotate a little bit, would, would handle the, in, in, in verse, we, inverted, veer and, and the inside”

running essentially was a full back and would handle short yardage, goal line in some, some, some run place, right? Yeah. He did that for three years at North Dakota State. He was a runner who was kind of utilized in this gimmicky, not gimmicky, but in a, in a, in a subpackage role, if you will. Yeah, gets the starting job this year. He's also a lefty. He's also got a tight upper body.

And the first 20 throws I watched of him and as I'm watching, and I, and it did his background of

what he is, I'm like, Oh, Teebo. And I, Tim and I are good. Yeah. After a tumultuous start to our relationship. Yeah. But, um, but I just did not see it with Tim Teebo coming out and it became like this big thing. So I had to get over the Teebo effect, right? Cole Payton from North Dakota State might be the third best prospect. I'm not saying he's there now, but a guy who could come in kind of like, Seattle was trying to use Jalen Milrow short yardage, goal lines kind of play that role and

develop into a starter. He's mobile. He throws the ball well in the run. He's deadly accurate. And so we're just think as all of his mechanics look horrible, like tight upper body,

“self-paw, all that. I think he could go ahead of Nussmire and Carson Beck. You have a big,”

they fifth on your big board. Yep. I think he could wind up going in the second round.

And I'll be shocked if he doesn't go in the third and I'll be, I honestly think he could be the third quarterback off the board. And I don't think anyone's really talking about this guy. Got to say great name. Cole Payton just sounds like somebody who'd be good. Like that sounds like a sports movie. Cole, quarterback or NASCAR, right? Channing Teebo plays Cole Payton. That's a great name. So Carson Beck, even though he's in his mid-20s and has had a hundred

college starts, he's you have 100. Nobody's going to talk to themselves in him and like the late second round or anything. It could be. I don't trust. I don't, I don't trust him. I don't think he's unique because he's he's a big pocket passer and you can be accurate and he played his best ball down the stretch. And he outside of two games where he had multiple intersections. He really protected the ball and did a lot of the things that kind of cursed him. I like

this experience. I like the size and I like the toughness and all those things. I just, I don't know.

“Call it a bad taste of my mouth. The elbow surgery. Why does Georgia let Carson Beck go?”

They have plenty of money to bring him back. Like, I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see. I've heard the Steelers are kind of intrigued with him on day two and a couple other organizations. He'll go. He'll go on day two. But I would take call Peyton before him. So it doesn't sound like you have your Tyler shook yet. Maybe, maybe the whole Peyton's my Tyler shook. So you, but Tyler shook, you were like, this guy could actually start next year, watch what

happens. Like you were pretty Adam and different. This is a different kind of thought. Yeah, this is, yeah, this is like, yeah, this guy would be fun with what I got. Yeah, okay. All right. So it's the ringer dot com slash mickshay. It's just an NFL draft smorgasport. Um, and also, the mickshay show, and then you're coming out to LA and you're going to do a bunch of live shows that we're going to do on Netflix and uh, yeah, I'm pumped. And don't forget about the news letter,

which is indispensable. Yeah, and we did it. We did a second round mock on that. It's going to be a lot of intel coming up. It's going to be the additional like bonus stuff. So yeah, between the, the new site, the newsletter and the show. We, um, we're pumped. We've got exactly what we need, man.

And I'm going to have you on one more time before the draft. I'm sure there'll be a million things

that change, but uh, this is fun. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for getting me re-energized about this draft. That's kind of like, look, we're going to go. No, I'm excited. Good to see mickshay. Good to see you, fun. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to mickshay. Thanks to you how in Eduardo as well. Don't forget rewatchables went up. We did the nice guys, LA confidential coming next Monday. So you have five days to watch a really, really great movie before you do our

you do a listen for our little four person podcast, which includes Andy Greenwald for this one. First time he's been on in a while. It was great to see him be Andy Sean and Chris. We had a blast. So there you go. All right. I'm going to be back on this feed on Thursday with a lot of basketball stuff for maybe even a little baseball too. Stay tuned. See you on Thursday. Must be 21 plus some president select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas star casino

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