The Wizards Win (Something!) and More Lottery Reactions, Plus the Juggernaut Knicks With Joe House, Tate Frazier, and Chris Vernon

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Tate Frazier is here. Employee number one at the ringer. Back in 2015, now a host for us on a ringer tailgate, pops on a bunch of our shows. A college basketball expert there I would say.

And more importantly, because that

“low couldn't be here today, because he was at the lottery,”

watching Joe House's favorite team. Oh, you called it. We called it to being Joe House. You finally got the number one pick at an awesome draft.

I've known you since 1988, September. We ate food and played pickup basketball together. That's how this all started.

I've never seen your wizards even made the conference finals.

You've never had a truly awesome player in your team. If I had fun players, you've had good players. You haven't had an awesome player. How are you feeling? Well, let me say right up front.

That it is, of course, ridiculous, irrational for a grown-ass man with a mortgage to derive such enormous pleasure. Joy for something as dumb as where the ping pong balls land. But let me tell you right now.

I apologize to absolutely fucking nobody. It's in the house, number one is right here, baby. We've got to done with my guy number two, John Wall in that chair. And look what we do, we do with the cocky. Yeah, Joe, I'm just, I'm just glad you have pants on.

I don't believe that. I wasn't curious to what my deck out. Now, if you liked me, I'd like to offer. I did prepare an acceptance speech for that. I did a little acceptance speech for that player out.

We're here. Yeah, let's hear it. I had to start with my wife because today is Mother's Day. And she agreed that we could end Mother's Day today at three o'clock PME's turn.

So I could get in, locked in. That focus was crucially important. Good karma. Good karma. Plus you probably had some drinks at brunch or there.

So you're feeling great. We did that. The bloody marries that was put us in the right frame of mine. Huge thanks to Ernie Grunfeld, to Tommy Shepherd, to Yon Vesseley, to Johnny Davis.

All the way up to this moment, finally, with incredible infrastructure, a brain trust

who created the tank of all tanks. A tank so brilliant and beautiful and execution, that the league had to change the goddamn tank. Well, I'll never have a lottery like this again. I'd like to thank Coach Frank Kease, Sharif Cooper, Juju Race, Jamir Watkins, Alainus Williams,

all the guys they put their part of their heart out, all my old D.C. got John O'Read. We'll go all the way back to Wisnuts, shout out to Wisnuts, my guy, Dan Shanoff, Christian and that's all of the old heads are so over the top with this one. We got our guy, we got the number one pick and I'll humbly accept the number one selection today.

The emotional stuff, Tate, they earned it, they went 1 for 24 and they're last 25 with the net rating of minus 14.6.

“I think somewhere in there was the BAM out of bio 83 point game, which was one of the”

most humiliating levels in the history of the NBA. Thank you, BAM. They traded for two expensive former superstars that just didn't play all year, try young and Anthony Davis played it perfectly, just a win from start to finish, 50 wins in the last three years, Tate for the Wizards and it's finally paid off.

Yeah, the good relations. Yeah, worse record in the NBA, it kind of feels like they deserved it, right? It's finally we see the team with the worse record get the number one pick, so that was encouraging to see and I just love Joe House, I mean, he's like out of breath right now as he gives us.

Yeah, we're just gonna die. It's gonna be just 22 hours today, can we talk about how the rig for this year was the

records grab, the top three picks now the Brooklyn nets were on the outside looking in,

but when you did your karma rankings with Nick Wright, magnificent as always, by the way,

shout out Nick Wright, my buddy, we never met, but we're friends. You didn't have Brooklyn very high, you thought it was like, you know, did Brooklyn deserve the karma, right? I thought there are first rounders were so stupid last year, I had to deduct points. I just didn't understand anything they did.

Yeah, when you think about it, and we'll talk about Indiana and the Quippers in a second, because that was the most momentous thing that happened other than who got the number pick, but for the most part, like Golden State, they didn't move up at landed and getting the top four as a possible Yana suitor, nothing truly goofy happened, and you would think the league would want to take care of Indiana, a team that lost their best guy to a terrible

kill is injured in a game seven, and not give the fifth pick to the Quippers, but that's what happened. We have to talk about this while I really want to dive in that Quipper thing. We have to talk about this Washington pick, because it seems like AJ is the guy, I predict

that this to you take two months ago, I was just like, this is a rap AJ is going to be

the guy, and it seems like he's the guy, could help a mention there was a look on his face after the, after the lottery, there was a picture that got sent around about a half hour later, where it looked like, not just one of his dogs died, but like he had three dogs that he grew up with, and they all died in the same explosion and liver and there's something.

Is, do you see a world where he doesn't go number one here, whether either somebody

“trades into the spot or Washington says screw it and takes Darren Peterson?”

Yeah, it could be like a Chris Weber situation, right? We're like a team really loves him, and they don't like the fit, so maybe they trade up to get him a number one. It does feel like Utah obviously has invested, I mean, I don't know, even know how many years, what five years, five years, yeah, you run the numbers about all the millions of

dollars from the BYU and I L to when he went out there to play for high school, like he's been in Utah for quite a long time, so I think in his mind when he got to the final four, he's thinking, all right, Adam Silver, he cooked the books for me, I'm going to stay in Utah, I'm going to be a happy camper, this is going to be great. And then when number two popped up, you could just see it, he was like, oh, wow, this

is real. He's like, where's Washington? Is that your feeling? Yeah, I think you hit him in a real time, I also saw a lot of people say that he was like, you know, he's a very no nonsense, all business type of guys, so that was an all business

response. I do think he had a little bit of like, oh, man, I'm not going to go to Utah, but it leads itself to a situation we already texted about this. I mean, if you're Washington, maybe you call up, you know, and kind of see what they're willing to offer, because obviously Utah is in love with him, there's also the other

wrinkle where Carlos Booser is a scout for Utah, and obviously has his son in the top three.

“And played for the jazz for a while for the jazz, right?”

So like there may be something where they're happy there at number two, and they're going to get camp booser, which means Peterson could even fall back to a three, four range, depending on what Memphis likes. So I mean, I just think there's a lot of conversations to be had, which makes, you know, the one, two, three, four situation even more fun.

Yeah, how soon I, we've already kind of ruined the podcast with a bunch of texts about this already.

And basically, as soon as it all settled down, it's like, all right, House, let's say Utah

really wants that number on pick, you only have to drop down one spot, and you can just take Darren Peterson and just make sure he doesn't put creatine in his creation drink, creatine in his green juices, and just stays away from creatine. It took him a long time to come up with that excuse, you know, I was, I was saying, you know what?

I, I tried out the creatine a little bit, and it really screwed me up. Yeah. Yeah, and it's not for everybody. We've seen it in a while. We've seen it in a while.

We've seen it in a while. We've seen 181 tournament, it was losing his mind, so I mean, it's happened before. We've seen it in sports. I recommended it to Kevin Wilde, while I was, when I was trying it out, and now I think he's still doing it.

I think he's all in it. But it works for him, but you know, the innovation for Peterson was to wait. He waited enough time for like the stink of how his season played out to deliver the excuse six, seven weeks. We're all done with March madness.

We're not thinking about Kansas basketball anymore. I had, here is what was going on. We knew that there was a true story. Somebody was going to give us the, so I admire the innovation. The revelation.

Yeah. The one thing I will say, nobody with the wizards are not calling anybody. Tate. I mean, Tate said, maybe the wizards call the wizards are, the wizards phone is sitting here.

Yeah. They're taking AJ and you call them.

“If you want to call, the phone's right here.”

You can call, we'll listen. Why would we? You call Joe Houses. I'll take the call and you know, the funny thing is that threads. So from so many different sources, my, my phone's been buzzing relentlessly and it's been

all these congratulations, but everybody is wondering out loud about Utah because, you know, they made that big investment in defense.

in at BYU, by BYU, with the idea that he might, if the people on the house, they took them, they took them from Massachusetts. Yeah. And he went to prep school in Utah and they, BYU, and this has been a thing that's been going on.

Right. I don't remember, but four years or five years.

And it was always like, wow, if they could ever get AJ, they're taking them.

They were really familiar with them, the whole thing. It's also weird. Somebody is this excited to go to Utah. We haven't had that a lot in the league in the last 50 years, haven't been a lot of people people panting to go their house, but we, we were, I sent you all the picks Utah has.

So Utah has been building all this stuff, hoping to do a 125 cents in the dollar type of trade. They have a swap with the Lakers next year. In 27, they have the best two of Minneapolis, Minnesota, Cleveland or Utah. They have a swap with Cleveland in 28, they can do the best two of Cleveland, Utah, Minnesota.

And I'm saying two different, two of the three of the top two, they have their own first. And then they have this really nice Phoenix first, in 231 house, they have them bookgirl be like 34 years old, making $80 million on top of some other guys they have. So my thing is like, if I, like, let's say they come to you and they give you two those picks, they give you, like, sense of awe, and they give you number two, just to move up

“one spot and you take Darren Peterson, like, are you sweating that?”

No, no, two of those picks, I was wondering if you offer, if I was being too greedy, looking for something like ace Bailey, the number two and one of the other way I could go. One of those just ace Bailey, a number two to move up to one, I need one of those future first as well. And one of those.

So they're pretty good, they didn't ace Bailey want to go there last year. Yeah, that was where he was angling. That's where a lot of people thought that his agent was trying to get him to go there. So, right. Yeah.

I mean, I don't think ace Bailey and two for one is a lot, because I thought ace look good last year. I don't know if I would do that if I was Utah. My thing is I would trade back just because we've been arguing about which of these four guys are going to be the best guy for four months, but I don't even know if we have an answer.

Tate where'd you land? Yeah. I mean, I do think that AJ is number one, I feel comfortable with AJ right. He wants to be number one picked. That's the number one test.

Do you want to be the number one pick? AJ, obviously wants to be the number one pick, Peterson has worked his way through the media with these exclusive interviews to put out that he also obviously is willing to be the number one pick. I thought the interviews at the, what an awkward TV experience that is at the lottery, by

“the way, was like, everyone can we talk about this?”

Yeah, please. So you have a half hour, you have a half hour, you're a Span, you have a half hour for the lottery, and then the next game starts.

I spent the first 15 minutes having awkward interviews with the people sitting there showing

all the representatives, and then doing the same ping pong ball video that show every year. The lottery happens for massive things happen in the lottery, and they just throw it right to the game. And it's like, what are you guys doing? Like, how can you have him with this verse?

Like, I would have the lottery at three, and then 15 minutes in this course. Anyway, go on. And we both had AJ, we both think AJ should be the first pick, but it's not like a Wemby situation where you wouldn't bet your life he's going to be the best player 10 years from the draft.

It could be any of these four guys, right? Yeah, I mean, I think you can talk yourself. I mean, I've seen boards at a booser at number one, right? That seems like the safest of the four picks. How old you're had him, one?

“Yeah, how old you're had him, one, which is a, you know, I think it's a fair point, because”

if you look at Booze's record, right, he's one at every single level, obviously it was national player the year this year, you liked the way that he carries himself. He is going to be a really good player at the next level. I think Caleb Wilson obviously is tantalizing. I know you don't like the hair style that he had there at the end of the list.

Oh, ambitious. Ambitious hair. I think he cleans it up, and I think he's going to be all right. But I mean, just a high flyer and a strong camp has been thrown out there. KG has been thrown out there.

Obviously, McGrady, a little bit. I also think I see a lot of people with Caleb at the four. I think he's going to end up being a wing. I think he's going to end up being a three. So I think he's one of those guys, yeah, I just think he has the athleticism to be

out there. Maybe they slot him down at the four, you know, at some level, but I think Caleb's obviously in that conversation, then Peterson, I saw Peterson in person at the Kansas Carolina game in the fall. And I mean, he didn't even have a great night, but I mean, puts up 24 points with these,

and you're just like, man, this guy is so smooth, so easy. And obviously, the McDonald's, all American gave me saw a lot of people defer to him just because if he, you know, just the way he carries himself, he calls himself Michael Myers of basketball, right, like I kind of liked that even though he's a little bit of a weirdo, I think that might be a good thing.

We told him, we said he was the Kauai of guard. So again, you can kind of argue the Kauai of guard's house, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could take the Kauai of guards. I'm not sure you didn't show enough Michael Myers, you wasn't enough of a killer this season.

I think he should be.

I think I should be first, but I asked I feel like if you end up with Peterson and more

And we've talked about this before, I would take the Kauai man around, but the Peterson high school tape is at a control. It's at a control.

“I mean, he looks like he's going to be Kobe Bryant when you watch this stuff.”

And I thought, see, my kid had a little too much weight this year, and we were talking.

I just felt like he could never get going this season, which, of course, makes you nervous

to take him one, but if it also feels like he could just be spectacular. Now, it also feels like he didn't want to learn the college game. I mean, I know that's a little bit banal, but I just feel like it's a different sport tape. It's just like, all right, I'll just skip this stage.

I totally agree, Tate, that what he showed us body language wise attitude wise is my single goal is to not get hurt. I will do this thing that is a required step. I will fulfill the requirement present present. He raises hand.

Are you here, Mr. Pete, Mr. Peterson is here. He's present. And that's it. Get me the F out of here. I want to go be a pro basketball player.

And here we are. The VP of Common Sense would be a little nervous about the wizard taking a guy who's already had major cramping issues and questions about his demeanor and his body. You're talking about the old winner. You're talking about the old winner.

Those are the old wizard. That's not good. That's not good. That's old stuff. I don't know how.

We're going to pass. We're in the present, baby. One of the things that I love about the band says, there's just no way. He's already built like a 28-year-old man. And I don't even know what his body's going to look like five, six years from now, but

he's just got there's some interesting stuff for them. There's some defensive metrics that aren't great with them. How I'm purporting it to like for how athletic he is. Why isn't more stuff happening on that end, but I just to me, he feels like the perfect kind of if he could play the three with the four.

He's physical. He rebounds. He, you know, I think he's really competitive. He really wanted to be the number one pick. I think that matters house.

And if you drafted him, and he actually could talk himself into going there, I just feel like it's a set thing, you know what it is. I don't know what the variants of it being bad. I don't know they see with the band. No, no, no, no.

“That's why the ceiling with him feels like to me, the highest ceiling just acknowledging”

that Caleb Wilson is a more of an unknown quantity because the injury limited, how much we got to see him against the highest comp, and especially in March madness where you really get a chance to see like, okay, these are stakes. The guys are ramped up, let's see it. So we were deprived of that with Wilson, but I feel like ceiling wise, the bounces, it's

all the whole thing. And he will definitely be cool with being here in Washington.

AJ Strong, we've had, we've had some more luck lately with Nick name, acronym, first

names, dare I say, if he comes in right away, and I think, hey, he's a 30 minutes game guide next year, right, in the NBA. Yeah, 100% I mean, he could be like a 15 and 8, like a 16 and 8, something like that. Is that conceivable? Yeah, and if you look at the front core with Washington, that's a fun front core, like

as far as I said. You know what I mean? Like those three guys. See put him in him and saw an Anthony Davis, we try young and George and Johnson, like that's, that's a kind of a team, the floor is V.J. edge comb.

“I think what we got out of edge comb this year for a guy that showed up right big”

minutes. Yeah, ready, and he took that team, he more than any other player on that team, transformed what they were going to be capable of for this entire season. You know, when we did the dumb October, what the hell is really going to be, we had no idea.

We know how excited they were about edge comb, but he showed up and within two weeks, he's like, oh, look at this back core, they have maxi and edge comb and it, it resuscitated the fan base and if we get anything, I think that's the floor for defense now, maybe that, maybe, you know, we like to apply right now, baby, but we like star, oh, yeah, there's, you know, some of the metrics of them were pretty bad, but I like them.

You know what I'm saying? This is shop locking stuff. That's what you want. Three isn't shop locking. All right, we'll get back to Washington because number two is Utah.

Washington had a 52% chance to be in the top four and Utah was at 45, one of crucial

coin flip. I don't know if you guys know that, a coin flip was Sacramento to decide who was foreign, who was five and who got which set of things and that ended up getting in the second pick. Danny ain't sure I'm intimately familiar with as a guy that ran my team forever and just

the way he thinks. He always goes for superstar ceiling, he's always, if he feels like somebody has a chance to be great, he's going to take that guy and he's not going to care where it is in the draft. Like he was the one guy that would have taken to ran over Odin, it's just that that's just

Tate is it possible, he'll look at the high school stuff from Peterson, he'll throw

away the Kansas here and be like, this guy's Kobe Bryant. We got to take on. Yeah, I think there's a high chance just because, I mean, I think a lot of times the college tape is just like additive, it's not the definitive case and I think a lot of times for fans

“it is the definitive case because that's what most people see, they don't see all the”

stuff beforehand. They've seen these kids since they were 16 years old and obviously Danny Angel was there the last time the number one pick was traded in Mark L. Fultz and there was a lot of people that were a little upset in the moment that that happened and then it turned out to be one of the best trades ever for Boston to be able to take them there at number three.

So he's been there, he's done that, he's seen that and I think with Peterson, it just sort of depends on how he interviews maybe with an agent of age likes to fit but I just think it could be tantalizing with that for me. I'm going to be a boring interview, I'll tell you that right, what we're seeing from Peterson. But maybe he likes that, you know, maybe just let me talk about his favorite podcast and

some books he's read lately.

I'm not going to be talking if you know what I mean or yeah, yeah, that's another one.

Look, he fits in with the team they have. Because now they have Jared Jackson, they're marking in, you know, they have Kessler who's coming back. Yep. They got a great, great year from their young point guard, what they're actually missing

is a two guard and a score and like a closer, which that's what he played at Kansas. He played the suit. Right. So how's maybe they're just happy, happy, maybe this all, because there's a world where you can just look at the board and you go, wash them, happy to take the Bansa.

Utah. Super excited to take their in Peterson, Memphis, couldn't be happy or to have Kim Booser, like the most Memphis pick ever and then Chicago, like, sure, we'll take Caleb Wilson and that's just how it goes, right.

“And Booser is kind of a grown-up, you know what I mean?”

Just goes like a guy that's not going to have any sort of issues. You can make him a franchise type guy. Cedric Coward fits in well with him. Great. When I'm Grizzlies, yeah, they're back.

It works. I can see that. You hear that house? I sure do. And especially Peterson's athleticism at the pro level and him with an ace Bailey, like, there

is something there in Utah that you could point to and say, you know, let's go ahead and see if we can win some games. Well, I think that team, because, you know, that poor coach that, you know, well, hardy. Yeah, well, hardy, we haven't seen him really get to cook.

You know, he gets to cook every once in a while. He cooks through three quarters of it and then he has to turn this the oven off. But he was, he was going to be cooking math if he had to cook that team for three weeks. We were breaking bad.

Yeah. Really was. He was losing his body problem. But I mean, they got lucky last year with ace. Yeah.

That ace tried to do that stare down and get them to go to Washington. They just stared up down like you're coming. He's a agent video. One of the classic draft videos. Yeah.

Right.

But they've never moved up in a lottery.

I don't think in the history of the franchise until this draft. So Peterson, I would assume, but I'm telling you, man, if Danny watches enough Caleb Wilson is just like, this guy's, this guy's the next he honest, we're taking him, like they'll take him to. He, he gives zero flux.

I know their process, like, it's that there's never leaks with Danny because he'd always takes him a while to figure out who he likes. His also, his sons run into the team, and obviously the owner is going to have a say. There's a bunch of people involved, but they're, Danny's going to be the Yoda of this situation.

“I think from a fun NBA standpoint, to bands a one, and then Peter's to go and you taught”

two is fun, boozer at three, and then we don't think Memphis will trade that pick or anything. And then, you know, Chicago, just hilarious, they're going to actually end up with a fun team to spite themselves, and we'll go nowhere near the luxury tax, but they'll play with pace. They have Taylor Jenkins went there, and with Wilson, the only question I have, Tate, there's

no chance he drops to five, right? I just think that anything is possible with the bulls, you know? I could totally see the bulls like having cusswalkers from Illinois, exactly. That's like not nothing. In their backyard, they talk themselves into Wagner, great passing, vision, all that sort

of stuff, and then somehow Caleb Wilson falls to the Los Angeles Clippers and gets to work under Kawai Leonard, a guy who, I think, you know, as far as the hand size, I think is a little bit similar, and I think it would be a perfect, kind of, two-loop situation where he could learn under. And Tyloo obviously doesn't really lean on the rookies too much, but it could be a good

situation and a good spot for Caleb Wilson, but the bulls, I mean, I know that just got a new, you know, kind of front office situation, so maybe, but at the end of the day, the ownership is the ownership, and they've, you know, done some things in the past that are head scratching, and that could happen yet again there at night. Or for.

Or not done some things. Let me ask you guys this. We'll have a chance to talk to Werno as this all plays out. Oh, yeah. Memphis strikes me as a team that might be more inclined to take a swing on Caleb Wilson

rather than the tried and true steady camp booser, because like this camp booser move the needle for, for Memphis, I mean, they have a interesting little nucleus, there is still yet whatever they resolve with job, whatever assets they get back, but they're still super

They're not a team that's going to be looking to try and win, I don't think, 45 games next year, right? They don't have the roster for that. So if Caleb fits like that way, where Senator Coward is, like, you're just building a really athletic kind of front court situation.

Make sure a little Memphisy, Booser dropping a forward bead at a control.

“Well, that's why I'm asking a tape like, yeah, that's like, he just feels like, I don't”

know what his ceiling is, whether he's ever going to make a first team on be air and anything like that. And I'd probably like him a whiff less than others, but I still feel like it's like he's going to guaranteed 22 and 10. God, you know, he'll be so competitive.

Yeah, he's always produced.

I mean, I think that's the real thing with camp booser, where you almost talk yourself out of it, even though it's right there in front of you and you're like, he's going to be an all-star. You know, he's going to be a guy within that conversation. So I really, I think Memphis just plays and saves there, but I like what you're saying

house, like high IQ, transition type team, Coward, Caleb Boos, and that could be a phone combo. I wonder, Boosin could just single hit the Rejuvenate Jammer in. Um, well, you look at Chicago, Boosin Foster Chicago for. And for the people listening who haven't really filed this draft, Booser is like the

“steady 22 and 10 really knows how to play the game.”

He's just going to elevate wherever he is. And Caleb Boosin is like the wild card who got hurt before much madness, all time incredible college athlete, like just nuts. Like he feels like he came out of like the Faisalama Jamera. And there's like pieces of Sean Kim, Tate mentioned Tracy McGrady a little bit.

He doesn't have the three points shot yet. There's feels like there could be a little little shed maybe defensively if he could ever figure out that side of it as like a four. I know that offensive stats weren't awesome for him, but uh, but I'm looking at Chicago with giddy and Kobe White and I had to soon move.

Oh, no, then. Yeah, too.

I got excited for a second.

I'm like, wait, what is that? Yeah, they don't think about that though. And Caleb, yeah, Boosin. He's a host. Who's that guy in just his minutes, he knocked around by Billy Donovan and Mary.

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Clippers make this crazy trade for, with Zuboats to the Pacers. And it's top five protected, or top four protected, and at that point, it looks like the Pacers are going to be the worst team in the league. Cool.

There's a second first round picker there.

Oh, one Joe House is back, Joe House, all right, Indiegos 4 and 21 and they're last 25. The wizards go 1 and 24 and he lost 16 straight and somehow didn't end up with the first spot falls back three spots, gets jumped, loses the pick for Zuboats, and this fit pick

There's a second tear, guys. Log, where we mentioned, A-Cuff, who might be next Kyrie for all we know, burys is in there. Well, this is like a potential all NBA some day guard, and Indiegos doesn't have the pick now because they traded for Zuboats, just a staggering kick in the balls in all

timer. Yeah, it's an all timer.

“Can you put your conspiracy hat on here, Bill, and talk about this?”

Because obviously, I don't think by the hat, there's no conspiracy, right? I mean, I'm just saying A-B-A-Y's, right?

The Pacers, do you think there's a little bit of like, they'll never let the Pacers get what

they deserve because they're an A-B-A team? That's where I'm going here. I'm just like, "Oh, I never thought of that. They've never won the lottery." Yeah.

I like that conspiracy. Oh, can we talk about the protection? That's the thing. The protection. What's the thing?

They basically made it seem like, hey, there's four players we love in this draft, and we get, but that's not how you can think because if you end up with the fifth pick and you have to give it away, nobody in the planet would trade Zuboats for the fifth pick and the draft. I don't think they were trading for the sixth, seventh, or eighth picks, honestly.

But yeah, they took this chance with the percentages tape, and what happens? They get screwed. And now they have no pick, and for the clippers, this is a miracle. Yeah, it's amazing. Literally a miracle.

Yeah, it's amazing.

“And obviously there's a lot of like, you know, I think this is Pablo Torres Nightmare, shout”

out to Pablo. This is, he did not want to see this, the clippers getting some sort of, you know, pat on the matum? Yeah, they got something. It's basically their number one pick, right?

I mean, they were able, they knew what it was. Okay, how's this guy video again? That's good. Yeah. So that happens.

Also, you had, I think it was the president of basketball operations for the Pacers, kind of put out a tweet to all the patients. Yeah, Kevin Bridger was just like, I'm so sorry that this happened. We thought that we had good juju on our side. Turns out we didn't.

That's never good when you see that as a fan of the Pacers.

And, you know, we talked about like, that would be the perfect spot for like a Peterson or Caleb Wilson or a booze or one of these guys to kind of slot into this Pacers team that can make a real run as a title contender. And now we're talking about the clippers and then being able to get the fit pick. And I mean, you could talk yourself into Acau pretty easily there at number five.

“And I think that would be a big swing and a nice pick up for ballmer in the clippers.”

So it's funny. I think they would take Wagger because he's six, six. Yeah. Like Acau's a guard. How's that?

I love Acau, obviously. But you have there is garland already and I think they really like Garland. Like he had some real juice when he showed up that if you love the Acau, I think you'd have to trade Garland which we get a little complicated. But don't you think Wagger could play with Garland?

It's not ideal. But he can play on or off the ball and he's six foot six has some size. Like, has the shoot enough? Yeah. I feel like he could do that, right?

Yeah. 100%. I mean, I think it fits as far as like those two guys being able to play together. It's not redundant at any point. And you know, there's a team that's sitting there at number seven that I know that loves

Acau and probably would be willing to trade up potentially if you feel good about them morning. I'm so bad to get there at number five. And maybe you get some more. The kings really won't Acau.

If I think that's pretty much a known entity at this point. So if they're willing to move up, that could be something there where you could get even more assets from a franchise that's a little bit desperate. So. But I really like Wagger.

The only time that we saw Wagger struggles when Yaxle Linda board pretty much locked them up on defense. He's five years older than him. So I mean, I think there's going to be some growing pains, but he'll get there eventually. House.

I had this in my notes with Sacramento. Fear the Quippers. And you can just move back to spots and take Burrys seven. And also, you get to trade with Sacramento, which has been one of the most full proof ways to get better over the last 40 years and pick up a future pick from them.

I would think about that because Burrys, I like, as you guys know, I love Burrys, but if you're staying at five, I think you, I think what Wagger has to be the pick. Both of those are our tremendous options for the Clippers. And it is proof positive that Karma is on the Clippers side, even in the face, even in the face of all of the great circumvention, allegation, navigation, somehow or another.

The Karma landed in a certain way, I suspect that the league is going to land in the same place, which is we are going to get on the Clippers basketball. Because the wills case narrow here is they've decided horrible things happen and they just wipe the, wipe the, we lost house again, wipe the, they just wipe the Quippers pick away. The number five pick and that's that.

I had, I had a, I had a doozy for you guys.

Well, first of all, the Clippers turned zoo bots, who I didn't think was playing that

in this trap. So that's just amazing. In math, right?

Yeah, in math or in if they end up resigning them.

Yeah, that's true. They have two pass now because they could potentially trade Kawai and trade Garland and just blow it up and try to rebuild the round young guys. They could also swing the other way and make a Yana's player, because they're going to have

“some cap space to have the fifth pick, which I think is attractive and there might be”

a way to send that and make that the focal point of some sort of trade and take Yana assisting on and try to keep Kawai and Garland and build around those three, does that excite you at all? Yeah, it excites me. I just want Yana to be saying, that won't Yana's to go somewhere.

You were talking with Nick right about the Hawks and just, you know, if they get that top four pick and try to package away, where Jalen ended up going to Atlanta and maybe Yana sends up going to Boston, I thought that was a tasty idea that I thought that I started putting that together in my brain. I'm like, that makes sense.

It's kind of a win-win for everybody. This is obviously played out a little bit differently here. But if you're Milwaukee, I mean, I felt bad for, you know, shed out to Mallory Eden sitting there. You know, at the number 10 pick, it just looked like, you know, it was like, warriors, bucks,

like some of those teams on the back end that maybe they slot in and were able to, you know, yeah. None of them hit this. So I mean, this is a way for them to be able to get something for the future that gives them a little bit of optimism and also saves Yana's because I'm tired of seeing Yana's

be wasted, you know, after 2021, I thought we're going to have like, wow, Yana's could end up being the greatest power for whatever, and it is really derailed, you know, over the past three seasons. Obviously, injuries are involved and then the coaching, shed out to Dr. Rivers. I think he tried his best to make things happen.

But great BS podcast, glad he's back on the pod. We need him here. It all worked out. Back where he belongs and the, on the pod every once in a while. And if Yana's goes to clippers, that's great for the lead to Yana's going to the clippers

and being in Los Angeles with Kawaii, who's on a similar window of, I think, you know, how many more years is he going to have with Garland and they could patch around. They've been really good at building veterans around there, you know, one of the outcomes of today was it feels like it really improved the Celtics chances to get Yana.

“So that's what they want to do because you saw Atlanta who ended up in the eighth spot.”

But that was a team that if they moved into the top four, I feel like they would have been in play for Yana's potentially goal and state was another one. If Milwaukee had gotten up there with Atlanta and somehow both ended up in the top four, maybe they keep you on us at that point. But none of that stuff happened.

So I would say the Celtics are probably, probably the favorite at this point to get Yana some less Dallas got aggressive, but I don't really know what the other team would be. Yeah. Did you have any?

You're Charlotte, no, right? No. I just don't think Yana's going to be happy there.

And then the heat is basically just like the walkie sounds.

Enough. Yeah, you just trade spots with them at that point. I don't think that really works out. And as far as the narrative of Yana's career, you get Boston behind you. You kind of get the media, the chant.

You know what I mean? Like, you can really, you can really change the whole conversation about who you are as a player

“because like the numbers tell a great story about Yana's, you know what I mean?”

And like what he was able to do in 2021, you add in two more titles and you do it in Boston. And you're kind of like the one A in Jason Tatum coming off injury is kind of like, you know, I wouldn't say one B, but let's just say Yana sends up being the guy there. I just think it's a great story for a narrative purpose. And I do think, Yana's, I know he turned his nose up to the being the face of the league.

And I think that was a bad move in general. But I think that could have salvaged everything as far as like the Yana's story. Yeah, he's didn't, that were the KG 2007 spot only he has the title. But once this next act and it's time to lead the team, he's on. I still, maybe Golden State would be the other one.

I mean, Golden State's at 11. And they have the Butler expiring, but I, unless they just gave the rest of their drafts in a way to get him, I, I don't know how that excites Milwaukee. Milwaukee is going to want something back. Yeah.

So, Jimmy. More kick guy goes back to Milwaukee. I know. But he's hurt. Yeah.

There's no real sell there.

And if you get Jalen back, you're getting a guy who's going to be second team on BA,

but you're putting him on a bad team. Maybe he'd like that. I don't even know. Where is he? I don't know.

He likes after it. Yeah, who knows? He's all over the place. He had his favorite air of his career, but there were different reasons for it. Can you walk us through five, six, seven with Woggler and Acuff and Fleming's and

Paris, and then it gets a little weird, and then somehow filing has just gotten pushed back when I feel like maybe he, he could be the guy that jumps. Is there, in that whole order, is there anybody you think is in the wrong spot? Yeah. It's a cluster of guards.

And my Cal Brown Junior was sort of the guy that I thought was the guy at number five going into the season. He had his own version of a Darren Peterson situation where he had the backspasms and Louisville fans and kind of the people around the team were a little upset about

there.

But I still think McCall Brown Junior has a lot of upsides.

So I think he could be one of those guys that ends up being a steal if you get him at eight, nine, ten range. Let's hit the Hawks get him at eight. I think that's a really nice pickup for them. I like Woggler at five.

I think Darious Acuff is the most explosive and like the guy that could really become a superstar. I mean, you even saw when they did the graphic on ESPN, the top four pigs. They cut out Caleb Wilson and put Acuff. I couldn't believe that.

Right. He billist list there. That wasn't the ESPN list. That was the J billist on the list.

“I think it was a billist list and that's why they did that.”

But for me personally, like no one Caleb a little bit, I do think that Caleb is almost better when he's disrespected. Like if Caleb were to go number one, I would actually be concerned.

But Caleb would go a number four, a number five.

I feel like that's the best case scenario for his career because he kind of, he's like at the MJ thing where he needs grapes with people to kind of fire himself up. So I think that Acuff going at five would be great burries is a little bit older, but it just kind of feels like a sure fire guard that you can trust, even all fall at times if you need him to be there.

Fylon. And we know what he is. Burries is, we know, is a tip. Yeah. He's a two and I think he's obviously showed a lot of Arizona last year and a really, really

good score and player, fylons and electric score. But honestly of that group, I feel like my Cal Brown Junior is the guy to me that gets me excited. You know what I mean? Yeah.

He's on some lists. He's in double figures. Yeah. And some of the mock traps. I'm kind of shocked.

I mean, I know a mint fell for, for, you know, a myriad of reasons. I know McCill Brown fell for some of the stuff I mentioned with the injuries, but if you will watch McCill Brown when he's on, he is really, really good and he's got the size. What would you compare him to? That's a good question.

I'm, I'm trying to think. I mean, he's kind of, he's bigger. That's the other part. I think he's physically bigger. I mean, um, mean Drew holiday may be a little bit potentially, uh, you know, a nimbrer.

You think he's that kind of defensive player? I think he could get there. I think he's offensively great. I just think that McCill Brown Junior has a lot of upside and I just think that the more I see him fall the more, I'm just like, if you're in the eight to twelve range, because

“I think twelve is the line, like what, when things go bad is at twelve.”

I think that's when you're like, you know, in okay see, getting twelve, I'm fast A to see, like, do they just take a swing on a minute stirs, do they take a quaintance? Like, who is that player that the thunder go for, we're all like, oh, of course. They take Steinbach from Washington and he turns into dead left shrimp, 2.0, you know what I mean? Like, who, who is the player there at twelve?

But as far as that clutter of guards, I think they all have different kind of trades that you could fall in love with.

But I'm, I'm like a wager, A cuff first, and then from there, you know, you can kind

of pick which one you fancy, but McCill Brown, I, uh, I'm excited to see what he looks like. A cuff if he goes to Brooklyn at six. Yeah. The king will be sick.

Well, they don't have their 27, uh, Phoenix, Phoenix are Houston. One of them can switch. Houston can switch with them. So they kind of have to be good next year, right? A cuff is an investment in somebody that you're hoping, you know, can be pretty special.

Who knows if he's, it's pretty rare for a point guard to come into the league and be awesome right away. And I, you know, there's, there's some feeling at some feedback about the nets that they might want to say, fuck it. Let's, let's get, we're tired of the latter just didn't work out for us two years and

around, right? We tried to try to gain the system twice each time we got screwed, let's just trade the pick for a star.

“I'm going to read you some names, uh, sadly, I, I think, House might be dead.”

Yeah, sure. I'm on. The House text. So part of what they're going to get fixed. Yeah, they're going to get fixed.

One is concerned about House right now. I think he's on too much about it. Well, no, I think, maybe, maybe the, maybe the, maybe Mary's hit. Maybe put something in his bloody Mary's and the drug police came. Um, Palo Bancaro for the six pick.

That feels like a no for Orlando. I'm just getting you some guys. Okay. I think it's a no, but I mean, Palo would say yes. Right.

Well, but I guess for Orlando, it's like we're way over the tax. We get to reboot a little bit. I, that's a no. I'm just, I'm just listing names. So good matter me.

Okay. People watching. Jail of Williams on OKC, um, which would allow OKC to get out of all this money stuff that they have coming. They could grab, you know, somebody awesome at six.

Um, I don't think they would trade Jail of Williams for six. And we're, if we're moving on top three, that becomes a different story. But six now crossing him off. Mobly gets a little more interesting, especially if Cleveland gets bounced in five. And we've seen mobile kind of level off and just be an 18 nine guy.

And Cleveland's way over the tax and could they just reset this. You let hard and go maybe trade Mitchell and this is just a complete reset.

Jamal Murray and Brooklyn, you have a vet, Janice has to be mentioned.

I don't know why he would go to Brooklyn if nobody was there. And then the only other one that's like a down of a Mitchell Jail on Brown. I don't see how that makes sense for Brooklyn. Yeah. I, uh, the, the Palo one is the one that got my attention, the most I know interesting.

Yeah. Just because I mean, the Palo thing just is fascinating. I know they got to figure out the coach. I mean, you got the Wagner situation. I know Orlando will be sick to hear that, but I, uh, I'm just fascinated by him because he

can turn it on and when he does turn it on, you're like, oh, yeah, there he is. There's the franchise, you know, topped in potential player and then there's times where he's a little bit off and, um, I don't know, he's, he's a fascinating situation. I also feel like all the yonness examples outside of Boston or the clippers as we've mentioned. It just feels like, you know, Will Smith and Fresh Prince when he's in the room by himself.

“You know, it's like, how many of those situations can we send you on a sin, too?”

Right. I would feel bad for him if that were to happen again.

And how many of the years does he have left?

Yeah. Like if you're trading form, what are you actually getting back? Um, Sacramento at seven, I think they just take whatever point guard's left, they don't have a point guard. Mm-hmm.

I think they're going to try to trade up. I think they're going to try to get the five and get eight, uh, I really do. Wow. I mean, that would be a godsend for the clippers. Mm-hmm.

You end up with this weird trade you made. Somehow you get the fifth pick. You move backwards to get seven and for Burris who you probably would have wanted anyway. And then you get more assets and you trade it with Sacramento. There's no way that doesn't work.

Atlanta is another one that I think could trade up if they got excited about a point guard. There are also a team. Jailants from Atlanta and that, that has to be mentioned. Yeah.

If this was, uh, straight up, Jailant, Dyson Daniels and a contract and the eighth pick,

like whatever that is.

“How much do you think that's possible to happen at this point with Jailant Brown?”

I mean, because, you know, you guys were talking about, I mean, he is so smart and cerebral. And I do feel like some of this stuff is targeted and pulling it on purpose, you know? Right. Is he kind of sent the message himself that he's like, I would be interested in something like that.

Because otherwise, you're, you've been following sports long enough now. He's doing the thing where there's just mixed signals anywhere and it's hard to tell whether he just wants everybody to be talking about them or whether he actually wants to leave or whether he actually wants to stay. And there's, there's kind of, I, there's no way you're just trying to grab it all over the

map, trying to see what's happening and you have no idea. Yeah. And I honestly don't know. Like somebody asked me for percentages of if I thought Jailant was going to be in the Celtic section and I was like, I don't know, 50, 50.

That's crazy. It feels like it feels like a coin flip. He also want to find out was it like, it'd be one thing if he, you know, when they won the championship, he did not win conference files in BPM files in B.P. I mean, he got those.

I felt that would be the end of the whole thing. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very confused, but also, I'm so sad that we didn't get, you know, the Nick Celtic series after watching what the six are showed at I know. I mean, we're not. Yeah.

This is Christ. We didn't even talked about that. No. Well, quickly in the latter, Atlanta's eight Dallas is nine.

“And they have Kyrie coming back and Burris would be the dream Dallas guy here, right?”

Yep. Paradeum. Not positive. He's going to get all the way to nine. But that's like, oh my God, what a home run, putting him next to flag.

There's a really fun version of how this lot. The only problem is I can't figure out what Atlanta would take. I assume at eight, they would take a point card. Milwaukee is just taking whoever the highest ceiling guy is left because they're going to be in a rebuild at 10.

And then can you walk me through Yaxel at Golden State at number 11? Because that just seems like everyone's just going to pencil him in there. Can you go higher than that? Yeah. And be 24.

Yeah. I know Kyle man had him, I think eight or seven or eight on his big board. And Yaxel is one of those guys where he is older, which makes sense for Golden State, right? It's a team that is obviously a very old team. And I know Drayman just had that moment with Barkley talking about his old teams don't

win anymore. So I, you know, it's a young man's game. But I think Yaxel, my only issue with him going to Golden State is, yes, he is older. But like the maturity is not older, like his maturation does not match the age. And I do feel like, you know, you bring another Michigan guy with Drayman, Michigan State

guy, courageous, recent, the extension, it's sort of running it back. Like, you don't want to recreate a whole situation in a whole problem again where Steve curves like, am I, like, where am I in the twilight zone? Like, why is this happening again? Um, yeah.

But it does like make sense on paper, defender kind of nice insurance on the wing, you know, as Jimmy is rehabbing and getting back. And he could be a nice piece for them that could be, you know, I mean, doesn't have to be a score by any means, but I think defensively he's a nice cog in the machine. But I still would be a little concerned about the maturation.

That would, that would be the thing where the age seems like it matches, but I'm not sure that the, the way that he actually is. Interesting. Well, the one that I think, so mayor of the center is anywhere from like eight to 15 to 15.

That could be an okay way to move to. Well, that's what, so I had him written down tentatively for OKC at 12.

about Thursday. Mm-hmm. And some people were saying, because I had AJ Mitchell and 12 for the three and, and some of the feedback I was getting was, AJ Mitchell's contract is so good. I would, they trade him why wouldn't they look at, at Jalen Lams instead.

And because he's going to be at like 45, 40, 48, 50, and they proven that they can be running at all cylinders, whether he's there or not.

“And I was wondering, like, could they trade Jalen Lams to Memphis for KCP in the three?”

I feel like it was like a pressy kind of move, right? Yeah. If you're in Memphis, they're like, holy shit.

We've Jalen Lams instead of a coward now, and if you're OKC, you're basically resetting

the clock and you're getting some sort of, you're getting boozer, Caleb Wilson and you're getting one of those guys. Maybe even Peterson. Yeah. And they know they have to break it up at some point.

And also it looks like it works without J, which is crazy and AJ has been great so far. And it's also people saying he looked like a top 50 player, so yeah, I mean, I think pressy will be working the line. So I think that's a good call, I mean, but I think it 12 to me is where the line is to see, because like, Dale and Swanes in that range, a die Mars in that range.

We also didn't mention Kingston Flimmings, but I do, I forgot the kind of mentioned in the cluster of guards. I do think Kingston Flimmings is pretty fascinating too. Yeah, I don't know what to make of him. And from what the rankings are, it seems like a lot of people, because we've seen, little

like fears, I know he's better than fears last year, but same kind of thing, like just a young athletic, fast guard, what is he, where we had it felt like a little more of a sample or size with wobblers and a cuff, but I know Flimmings, at one point, Flimmings was to, it was a lot of number five and ever then, yeah, yeah, yeah, last thing I want to mention in the lottery, my aim is that 13.

“And if you factor in two teams, you should do something weird, right, odds are they're”

going to get like, file on or somebody good, and it just, it always happens.

They got crime Butler that year, they got Tyler here or that year, they got famed that year. They're always like kind of lingering from, in this early teens range, a couple of people screw up and all of the sudden, somebody asked them, and as you know, I don't like my aim.

Salamers. What about like Native Mint there? It seems like he's dropping. He is dropping, but I just do think there is the tools that are there. Like, I'm not completely out on Native Mint.

I know that every time I see a new board, it's like Native Benz down to like 18, 20 range. Ever talks last year going into the season where Native Mint was going to be in the top four. He was going to be, you know, instead of Caleb Wilson, it was Native Mint, you know, so

I still think there's maybe a team that talks themselves into taking him in that 14, you know, 13 to 15 range. All right. So I'm putting on the spot the best part from this draft will be 10 years from now. People are throwing this clip back in your face.

I don't want to say it because I don't want it to get thrown back in his face, but I'm going to say it because why not Caleb Wilson? That's not just a North Carolina thing. No.

“I mean, I honestly, I could take the blinders off and I could just say to myself, my God,”

this guy is incredible. So I mean, AJ Caleb, oh, Bernou, let's get it. Yeah. TJ said, TJ said, he thought Caleb Wilson was going to be the best guy from this lottery in 10 years.

Chris Bernou is here, by the way. Host of the mismatch.

Future of the third pick in the NBA draft, and I can't wait to hear who you want them

to take. Oh, listen, this booze or Wilson debate is going to feed families. My family for the next month and a half. This is going to be great because I think the expectation is that the right the bands will go one Peter Sennel go to because they don't need a four in Utah and so the Grizzlies

is there sitting at three, that's going to be the debate. Everybody is going to try to decide whether or not they prefer a campoos or they prefer Caleb Wilson. The shirt thing or like what Tate says, the guy is stealing guy. Yeah, right.

The ceiling guy. Well, so who, what's dive into the psyche of Memphis and the great grind Grizzlies? That was the most beloved Memphis team of all time. Who is more Memphis, of those two guys? I mean, I will say that Wilson is, Wilson is, there's two, there's two ways to go look

at it, right? Because I don't think people would necessarily think mark a soul. But mark a soul is like totally embodied Memphis. Now, he did go to high school there. He had an awareness of the city prior to, but he is a serious doesn't take any crap, gets

his job done, right? Like he doesn't go about it in some kind of flashy way. So I think that could be viewed as blue collar. Yeah. Certainly, Wilson has got the whole like, I have this crazy motor, that kind of.

Wilson's the kind of guy that, like, will, it'll be every kid's favorite player.

He'll be the one smiling, like he's got, he's got like a personality, whereas a booster is obviously much more business like, but what fans respect this guys that, you know, especially in a blue collar town like Memphis, they just respect guys that give it on a step for every single night.

“And I think that both of them, both of them, both of them, both of them do that, right?”

They go about it in different ways, certainly Wilson's flash year. But you can be playing against anybody, and Booser is still like, Booser isn't half acid against anybody, and so it's just the idea that you like bring your lunch pill to work and you give it on a step for every night. All right, Tate, give us your last thoughts, because double house is going to come back

into their zoom. It feels like we feel special, we've fixed a special effects. House double during the, during the podcast, my son, he was in two feeds, and he has gone them so open. So give us your Memphis take before we go.

Who do you want the take take?

I think they should take Caleb Wilson, because I think Cedric Howard and Caleb Wilson is a fun combination. Also like John Moran, the high flying John Moran. Oh my God. That's that league past him.

Yeah. Like, this is, you get a perfect, you get dunk highlights galore, you got two high IQ guys with Cedric Howard. That's great. I would be fun.

Oh no, the whole thing I'm doing for a plan Chicago, the, the dad. Yes, I have a vague memory of him getting up there and it wasn't, wasn't great. Yeah. And let's, let's pause on the whole John Moran flying around dunking. I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, we can restart the clock

on a different guy. Oh, yeah. Let's have some fun.

I got to tell you, Bill, an absolute stunned disbelief that Tate prefers the Carolina

guy to the Duke guy. Tate, Tate will call it like it is, but if it's a UNC guy that he loves, he's going to ride for that UNC guy. If you play Georgia, I would say the same thing. I'll say that.

Tate will see you on ringer tailgate this week. We're letting you go. Thanks for hanging on, especially with the traumatic house this year. I'm glad we're able to go somewhere. I'm worried about him.

I hope he gets it. Thanks, guys. Good to see you. Vernal, how drunk is he? How drunk is house?

House was fairly coherent. What? Yeah, he's popping back on right now. There is no chance if Memphis would have popped up one, I'm on this thing. Did you?

Did you feel like you just wanted to get in the forer, did you wear your legs? Yes. Yes.

“Yeah, because that's how I think with this draft, you just want to be in the forer.”

It was just, you know, whenever you go through miserable, punted seasons, you just want the end to justify the means. And so being in the top for, meant that it was worth it. And, you know, like, I'll give you for instance, the very end of the season. And this is the worst thing to go through is when you're playing, when you're playing games

where it's like, who wants to lose more? But you guys even talked about it, I recall. There was a game that was coming up with Memphis versus Dallas. And people were like, this thing should be on league pass. Right.

And Memphis was better at the end of the season, at losing on purpose. Well, now you look up at the end. Dallas is picking nine, and Memphis is picking three, they had the same record, did the exact same record at that game. And now every that is how, that's how sometimes this can fall.

And so if you're, if you're a Dallas fan, I think you're looking at it and go, whoa, whoa, it's the point of that, we're picking nine, right? We did that, we did that the, we had that the during year, yeah, the worst team terrible. And then we felt a five, we felt of the Jeff Green pick. It was, it was devastated.

Oh, Bill, I hosted a bar build with Memphis Grizzly Spans on ESPN. Well, that's right. You had the, the Mike Conlay. Yeah, Mike Conlay. Yeah.

On ESPN. We had one huge blow up doll of Greg Oden in a Memphis uniform. And one huge blow up doll of Durant. And oh my god, the amount of alcohol that was consumed that night after it popped up for and the radio broadcast for the Grizzlies, like got on the stage.

And he's like, Chris Bosch was drafted number four and everybody was like, Oh, what's you? He's a nation. We felt, we felt, we, we felt a five that year and it was like, are they going to take

“Jeff Green or Eesian line, and I was like, shoot me, where's the bar, the chairman, the chairman?”

Bruno, where are you going to take three, oh, I just, all right, before you came on with tape was on, I'll say it, like, I got six weeks of camboos or Caleb Wilson debate.

This is going to be great because they're, look, I love both of them. I don't think there, there's not like a wrong choice.

“And that's why, that's why everybody is euphoric because if you were able to get in the”

top four, you're not making the wrong choice, it, that's how it feels at least today. I don't have a way, because the lottery happened this afternoon. I was like, as long as we get in top four, I'm cool, I'll take any of them. I asked tape before you guys came on, if okay, see, offered J. Lam Williams to Memphis for the third pick and took back the cargo of Pope expiring, would you consider it?

I don't think they would because I think what's happening now, he was, he was, we'll see, second or third team on the ALS? Yeah, he was.

23, here's what he's already signed his contract bill.

And one of the things we are learning is that I think this is the only evolving where you're going to have to have major contributors on rookie contracts and probably multiple, major contributors on rookie contracts. Well, that was like the Celtics with Joe Masoolin in the playoffs when like Hugo and, oh, no, they, he didn't play them.

Exactly. I agree with you. I know. I think you're right. That is what's going to happen because what ends up happening is because you can have

second tier stars, right? So Desmond Bainsign to Max and Franz Wagner gets his under 90 million, and so did you

“got, because that's not the only way you're going to keep these guys, is by paying them.”

But there's only so many that actually probably move the needle enough, and then if you accumulate a couple of them, now that's got to be good enough, right, and you're up against it. And so I do think that the value of the value now more than ever is getting these guys that are can contribute immediately because now you get them for four years, and you've got

a good enough, you're able to build out. You think about even what I just went through with the Grizzlies? Yeah. The best team was when those guys were on the rookie deals. That was that that's when you were able to have Tyus Jones, a de Anthony Milton, a Kyle

Anderson, a Brandon Clark, and like your bench was really good too, but I think kind of the only way you can have, like, you're either going to overpay a bunch of starters, right? And or you're going to have these guys on rookie deals, I think the best teams are going to be young. I do.

“Well, that's why the Celtics are in such an interesting spot with Jalen here.”

If they can try to trade, you know, that would be one of the lives, especially with the way that Tate and I talked about how the draft broke where you have like broken at six, is like, well, we don't want to suck again, can we get a star for this pick or a land at eight and could the Celtics end up if that's what if Jalen does want to leave or they decide maybe it's time, is that the kind of trade that if, if Yannis isn't sitting there,

trying to get a young guy back on a cheaper, on a cheaper thing, and then try to spend the money elsewhere is a way. You agree? Well, how's that, would you rather keep Jalen to make a run at it? Well, I, I think you're not that far away if you have both Tate and Brown and we kind

of have a good, a good track record of that based on this, and that's what they miss.

Jalen wants his own team, and that's where the problem is.

You, you, at some points, I mean, you need to sit down with him and get to the bottom of this, so that we're not dealing with this, this nonsense, you know, 15 year old drama, silliness, the twitch, and whatever. Can that person not be tracing the grady? Oh, I, that's that was, did you see that last time?

I was so happy. I was that. I didn't actually talk to Jalen. I just saw, I noticed the body language, and I was also down three won and blew it, and I know how frustrating that.

What are you saying? Also, Jalen just said this was the best year of this career. So, inspiring. Which was bad. I think that was a mess, man.

They should have rehearsed that one better. We know you talked to Jalen Brown, and it's fine. Just fucking admit it. I want to say, though, to Verno's point, that here in Washington, to defense that the decision makers offer up for why they traded Denny Avdia was because of wanting a core group of guys

all between ages 19 and 22 that are basically on the same contract trajectory and let them all

come together at the same time. That's why this number one pick is especially valuable for the Washington situation. Because now you have four or five guys that are all in that same class, that same category. And it will say if any of them actually, you know, if it plays out, but promising star, promising Kishan George, promising Will Riley, promising this number one overall pick.

And you put a veteran or two into it, and it's interesting. Well, and you really just need two of them to hit, right?

Gidi was a hit, right? Like that's a hit pick.

“And then by the time it was time to pay him, they're able to swing that into Caruso because”

they had other ones that were going to hit. Right. Well, okay. See, we got to talk about them really quick. There's seven or no in the playoffs.

We haven't talked about basketball at all. We can talk about the lottery for four hours. You know, in the playoffs, they've, I talked about Thursday night, this AJ Mitchell situation,

where, you know, he's going to make three million dollars a year next year.

And this is a guy who feels like he could almost run his own team at this point. There, there you have the big J.L. Williams contract, the biggest J.A. and Chet. And they're going to have to do some gymnastics pretty soon. They have this 12th pick, which to burn those point, this is what you want to do.

You want to keep replenishing with these guys in the first four years. And it's just, it just feels like they're going to be in this situation over and over again, the rest of the decade. It's really starting to feel like they could be in the finals or the western finals, 60 plus wins here for, I don't know, next seven, eight years.

Well, and this 12th pick is going to be a good player. And you didn't even mention, right? They got the silver kid. He doesn't talk to the floor. And, and tow pitch.

He didn't talk to, I mean, they got him. And we just doesn't play anymore. That guy that guy would have played minutes for real teams this year. Oh, for sure. He just doesn't know that.

Yeah. Well, no, we don't, we didn't play subsets. So before the latter has a face time with my dad for 15 to 20 solid minutes, he's still really upset about the six or six series. And the next series made it worse.

Watching the next, which that came happen at night, it was a sweep. It was embarrassing. It was really the most humiliating weekend you could possibly have in Philly, where you not only get waxed by the next, but you have 70 to 75% like for real of Nick's fans in there.

Just completely taking over the building. And then by the end of it, you go from a week ago, we had the highs of this game seven. Oh, my God, Paul George is in a disaster. Hey, and Beads back.

Maxi, Edgecom, and it's so exciting to a week later. Been like, is there, I'm going to get fired? What's going to happen? This is going to play out.

“I just, my dad was just like, why didn't we do that against Philly?”

Why didn't we put him be in pick and pop stuff? Why didn't you just sound Maxi? Like, what the fuck are we doing? Yeah, he's especially with the way that, obviously, they've got a ball dominant guard and

Bronson is a drop coverage demolisher, right? He was like, and Bead, I don't care what it's that way. He was unplayable against them. Because there's no, there's no good choice to make. You cannot hide him, and to my Bronson credit, he was not going to let him be hit.

He was going to be put in every single action until you either pull them off the court or you just lived with us bombing you out. And they just lived with getting bombed out. Yeah. Well, and did that with the SouthX2 and we didn't make any of the threes.

But I asked him, in fact, we attacked and Bead like that house. Well, I want to be as respectful as possible. Like, this version of, of Celtics fandom. You guys are fucking delusional. You weren't good enough.

You didn't have the talent.

Ocean and OB, whose name I'll never get, right?

And Car Anthony Towns are better than what the Celtics put out in terms of a front court. Like, you had no answer for, for M.B. or any of the size. They had no answer for Paul George playing defense.

The next or better, the next or better than the Celtics. And then the next. That's my dad's court. And then I told my dad, we might have been saved by actually getting our ass kicked in a real way by the next, especially if Tatum was 100%.

Well, because then it convinces you that, like, hey, that we got this many wins because we gave an honest effort every night. We were tri-harts, right? Sure. And tri-harts when the playoffs come around get exposed.

Because you can't just win. By, with depth and playing hard. Right.

“Like, team, like, what was your Memphis team like that recently?”

Like, four or five years ago, you've seen my show. Sure, three or three years ago. It's why people didn't believe in them, right? It's like, because when it comes, when it comes playoff time, like, there might be the one Luke canard game

or there might be the times Jones get, but then, but as you, as you go up levels in the playoffs, they are just going to hone in on that. And then you're going to find out, like, okay, I've actually got really five that can play in this.

I don't really have ten that can play in this. I mean, hell, even even in the Minnesota series during one of the Grizzlies' best seasons, they made, they, the Grizzlies bench, even Adams and played Xavier Tillman at center

because towns just played him off the floor completely.

They were like, and that was in the first round of the playoffs.

you play hard every single night, you can win a lot of regular season games. And I'll give me Zoolin the Celtics credit

“for doing that, but I think house is right.”

When it came down to talent, in the end, it's still, you know, the Myers-Keda and it's still the same house or a distilled, yeah. Right. It's not your fault.

It's not the Celtics fault that MB came back and was capable of being effective. You couldn't really gain plan for MB being part of the playoffs series. Also, how, who could have predicted Derek White being awful? Like, not like now.

Well, they've been a lot of amazing.

He was awful. One of the things we were talking about was Paul George comes back from the suspension. By the way, Skip Bayless, who I can't say I'm a fan of, the playoff PPE, this legitimately funny house,

I'm furious. We didn't come up with that joke. Oh, you've been together. We never did. How do we not come up with playoff PPE was so good.

But he comes back and he's got his legs. And B comes back from, I got only knows where he was. And he has his legs for a week. And then by the time they got to these last two mixed games, both of them looked like the guys that we picked

that are worse contract straps. So they got this little thing. I still feel like the Celtics were a little better than a tri-hard team when Tatum came back. I just think the whole thing, I've bringing him back midseason,

combined with them bailing on the bench was pretty weird.

You also started three guys that never play in games.

That was desperate. That was desperate. Don't run her per start. We'll live an infamy. Nobody, nobody still does what happened with that.

Can we talk about the next quick? They've won three, seven straight games. Some of it can be attributed to using towns and running more stuff through him, and some of the passing, which has been really impressive,

and becoming less brunch and centric. They had a shitload of threes today. They were making, they were nine for ten at one point from three in the first quarter. But what they've done for towns, which I was kind of wondered why they didn't do it.

Maybe I didn't know if he had an enum, but what they did, it just feels like they're more interesting now house. It's incredible. And I give Mike Brown a ton of credit. There's a guy of a cyst that he's gotten at least six assists

and how are my straight games. And tonight, you know, I think he had seven assists in the first quarter. And they're real assists. They're not like. I pass you a shot and you dribbled and took a three. They're like backdoor layups and hitting guys, cutting and stuff.

The thing to me with this next team is they have shown us now twice, both in two different close-out situations that they have another level.

“And that's what's scary for this run that they're on,”

because they did the exact same thing to it. Like how can they make all of these buckets and get rolling so quickly in a first quarter. And basically put the game out of reach in a first quarter. They did it twice. That validates what they did to Atlanta.

And the sixers, you know, I think comparing them to Atlanta, that was a more formidable fall and more formidable situation. Even though they had them down 3/0. But for sure, they are, they flew today.

They were at a different kind of place all together in terms of the speed and the force that they play that first quarter. And the game was over. Yeah, that's twice, right? That's twice. They've done it.

A team with theoretically their backs against the wall should have a grand slam effort. And they just humiliated their friends. I mean, you look at the seven game winning streak. They won by 16. They won by 29.

They won that last game. Been Atlanta by 51. And then you go in this series. And they were, they had a 39 point win. A 14 point win in game three.

That was actually not even as close. And then the blowout in this game. I like when I'm seeing blowouts in the playoffs with a team. Like that, that's a different level. That tells you like not only that's,

I always, the teams that fall behind always makes me nervous.

And what's weird is the next one of those teams that they always felt like they were down. Eight, ten with eight minutes left. Now, now they're blown everybody out. They looked really good. I mean, this is probably the best time to be a next fan.

I would say since 1994. Where you feel like holy shit. We have a real chance now to win. Even last year. You know, they obviously were the favorites in the Indiana series.

They just beat in the Celtics, but they weren't supposed to beat the Celtics. That was a weird series. Like they're kicking asses now. And I, I don't know.

I like, I actually do you think they go toe to toe

“with one of these West Ham spurna from what you've seen?”

Yeah, I do. I also think that Detroit was metaphysical against them and really body them this year. So like if they can get through that. If they can get through,

because I think it will eventually be New York and Detroit.

Detroit pump them out. And so we'll see.

“I do think they would need like full on.”

OGN and OB to be able to to deal with that right? Because again, you're going up a level. But if they get past that, because they'll be battered and bruised by the time they get through there. But for sure.

I mean, it's very plausible that we could see. You know, we saw them in the in-season tournament for what it's worth right at the very end. And yeah, well, that's so nice of you to bring that up. But you remember everything.

Yeah, I like it. But everybody care. You want some atoms over brownie porn? No, they did care. Well, look, Adam Silver is on my good list.

We popped up three house popped up one. Like that's true. He's cool today. We know it out of it. Nick Wright and I talked about it on Tuesday.

The all the mean stuff from Brown said about the city. And they had to have a tone. Oh, that was so good. Yeah, vicious, vicious comments. What's it, what's it just him?

We got dog piled all year. All year. Drain blood. Can we get a whole term in fist? I built a forefloor,

a mandarin oriental or a montage. I can't do that for now. I don't know. You're the richest guy. I don't know.

He's all invested in it. It's 41 nights a year. Plus playoffs. Right.

“We at least know it's going to be booked sometimes.”

I agree.

I've never heard a hotel.

What is the hotel that gets the sports hatred? We had influencers going down there. Yeah. I was like, this is amazing. The higher the date.

I don't mean I get the end of the West then. I suppose the what across the street. I mean, it's I guess it's not up to there's the there. To me, people of NBA people in Joe House love. Love a good hotel.

I stayed at that high it. And actually I was there at the same time. Because I went visit in Verno. Did the show with Verno. And it was during the season.

And both Dallas Mavericks were in for a couple of nights. And then Houston was in. I was in an elevator with Shen Goon. And it's a very nice high it. But it is not like what they encounter in other cities.

It's a super easy walk straight down the street to the. But they want to get sweets. Yeah. They want good room service. They want all that.

And those were. That's what the big conspiracy is. We ain't got enough. It can import some. I mean.

We don't have a flight. I guess we don't have a flight either.

“We're taping this before game four of timber will of spurs.”

What when we did on Friday night was terrifying. This is this will who knows what's going to happen in game four. But that was. I thought such a fascinating game. Just for the future of the league that somebody age 22.

Could do that. I got this email. That I thought was. Kind of kind of broke my brain about about the Wimbledon situation. And.

Basically so it's this guy Bradley from LA Laker fan.

And he said. If you look at. All the guys who became hallfamers who won titles. Who were under the age of like 24. Which is basically magic johnson Kobe,

I'm Duncan Wade Kowai and Bill Russell that's the list. All of them had an older awesome teammate. That helped them win. So magic had Korean Kobe and Jack. Korean Mad Oscar Robertson.

Duncan and Robinson. Wait at check. Kowai had Duncan and Parker and genobie and Russell had cozy and charming. So the question is. Does this mean the spurs are going to lose.

Or does this mean when be is great enough to break history. And become the first guy was like I actually don't need a hallfam older team. And I'm going to do this by yourself. How good is he to you house like what's the ceiling for you as we head into the next five weeks here. I hate to confess this.

I'm still stuck on my old guy mindset. I mean the evidence keeps piling up. That he is one of one capable of sort of vanquishing the entire, you know, 20 30 year longer than that history that we've built up. That you there needs to be their steps to this.

So they need to to go in and take a loss. I thought that game won against Minnesota was like welcome to the playoffs. That that that's that's our you know, they ran through Portland without too much trouble.

The first game where they had a team come out with playoff intensity.

The playoff physicality. You know, there were constantly in into Wambi's chest at his legs. The entire game was that game one. And yet the ability for San Antonio and Wambi. They just very coolly recalibrate reset.

And that game three. It really challenges the old artists.

Yeah, you know, there's part of me that thinks it might be. And it goes back to what I'll say and about teams being young. I remember years ago on the mismatch.

“I did this whole bit where I think the Celtics had lost at some point.”

Maybe they were like when the jays were like around 25. And I was like, look, you go back and look through the history of the NBA.

And everybody's like 27 before they do it for the first time.

And that is Michael Jordan and that is LeBron James and that is Steph Curry. And that is shack and name the great players. They're generally 20 27 or older. And so we have this expectation, but the history of the NBA tells us that. And then you honest did it at 26.

And then Gilders Alexander did it last year. I think it 26. And so that number may just keep getting lower. It might like, you know what I mean? Like, because I've already had to lower it from 27.

It's like, yeah, you got to kind of got to wait until they're 27. You know, they've become men. They've probably settled down. You know, they figured out, you know, they figured out the game. They've got a lot of reps and whatever.

It's interesting if there is anybody that would be different. It certainly stands to reason that it would be him because he is.

I think we throw around that he is unlike anything we've ever seen.

But he's truly unlike anything in the history of the world. So why not him? I was texting Donas, but I was texting about Caitlin Clark with a couple of people yesterday about. Wow. Well, it was it was David Letterman house.

We were in John Stewart. Of course it was. Of course it was.

“No, but she she had a like not a great first game, right?”

And and I was I was thinking of my head about comparing her to Wemby. Where same kind of spotlight. Same kind of being tested by everyone in the league over and over again. And in Caitlin's case, it doesn't seem like she's handled it 100% well. Like last year it felt like the entire league was.

It was coming at her right and really trying to test her and be physical with her. And really seeing my almost like the other people on the other teams like generally this like there. And she was in all these non sports conversations and. You know, kept bringing getting brought in as a political tool and. It didn't seem like she was enjoying that part.

I felt like to me like I know nothing, but I felt like a little bit of her joy was gone. And some people. It's a lot when it's all getting thrown, you right, and I look at Wemby and he's the opposite. Wemby's like. Fucking bring it on.

I've been training for this my whole life. You're going to be physical with me. I'm going to make you pay. And I think that's been the most impressive thing to me that at age 22. He's wired the way he's wired where he's got so much.

Fuck you and him already. And nobody was really hard to mess with them. Nobody resent him though. That that that Lee presented Caitlin Clark. They resented the fact that that's all anybody wanted to talk about.

But they're also right like they've got to been there. They've done that. They're they're great players in their own right. You know, the Asia Wilson's of the world had been winning MVP's and champion chips. And yet it's like all anybody wanted to talk about was Caitlin Clark.

And so it had this reserve. It was enough. You could chip away because the difference with Wemby. Right. Is if you play against him or you even go see him in person.

You know, we've all had the same experience. You're just like, holy shit. Yeah.

“Like this is like even three you saw him in person, right?”

It has to like three times crazier than I was expecting. And so I haven't seen him in person yet. But I just would say it's a luxury for Wemby. He's arrived in a very well established league with a well established collective bargaining agreement and pay you know pay structures.

I mean, they brought him along how they could. The situation with the WNBA was radically different. And Caitlin Clark arrives with a giant fan base. He dragged people over to that product because they were so enamored up for college Performance.

She was the one of one in college in terms of that shooting. And she reminded us of Steph Curry. Yeah. Wow. We haven't seen anybody shoot like this before.

And now I'm a fan of step. And she came over and all of a sudden there's eyeballs.

Lots of eyeballs on the WNBA for the first time.

And, and they're in the middle of the about the collective bargaining agreement. That's about to expire. And the entire pay scale needs to be reset. And the TV deals need to be all reset. And she did bear the brunt of a lot of that because she was the one that generated

the interest to propel the whole thing upwards. The prices they're getting for expansion teams. She singularly to my way of thinking is responsible for the entirety of that. And she missed muscle less season by being hurt. And so all she had in the team did well without her, which is right.

Yes. There's there's ways to pick out it. It's interesting though. Yes. So we'll see with WNBA.

She's way more famous too. Way more famous. Do you think your wives know who Victor Wimbelliam is? I think this the last couple months.

Do you think your wife knows who Victor Wimbelliam is?

I don't know. I think it's been happening.

“Do you think your wife knows who Victor Wimbelliam is?”

I don't know. I don't know. She definitely does because she does. The TV is on basketball. I have a 15 year old too.

I just don't think that he's not famous like she is. She was there. Was there any PCU that thought OKC was going to lose a game to the makers? No. Not after watching that stupid Houston series.

I mean, that was so abominable that you watched that. And it was like. Yeah. I mean, though that's felt like two non playoff teams that we were forced to watch playing each other in the playoffs.

How that ended up being the worst matchup. It was a four or five. I know. I felt like they were the two worst teams. Well, because they didn't have Luke and they didn't have to write.

Right. I mean, it was it was pretty rough to watch. And so. And again, another team that can expose you like Oklahoma City. And and you know that like you have no chance unless your turnovers are low.

That your only chance against Oklahoma City is playing with low turnovers. And they're going to go out with a back court of Marcus Martin Luke can order. Yeah. I mean, that's that that's a tough pill. It's sad.

It's going to be really interesting to see who's at that game tomorrow. Because it's clearly going to be asleep a sweep. It's a Monday night. It's not like OKC fans are taking it over. I think it's going to have.

It's going to be definitely a weird energy game.

“Plus, how's the Laker fans lost their celebrity road title?”

The next fans are just murdering them. Oh. This is a route. I think Boston might have better celebrity fans than the Lakers in this point. I love what you're doing.

But it's it's not comparable. I mean, this next team has legit ambition to get to the Easter conference finals.

It was always Easter conference finals or bust for the next next team.

That's what they did last season. The energy entering the season was high that the Lakers were always a work in progress. And and you know Los Angeles as well as anybody now that you've been there for 25 years. It's a C to be seen kind of placed. You want to be seen.

They're real fans too though though. I got as much as I can't stay in the Lakers. I got to talk about the court size. We're talking about the real fans. We're talking about the real fans.

They're never a place that we're of Jack. And I remember writing about this like 15 years ago. They'd never. They'll never really wanted it. Honestly.

He did. He kind of let down the fan base. He was a person. Hellenism. Hellenism.

>> Show me a road game, Spike Lee and Chalema at road games. That's a different level. To travel, to the, I know it's close travel, but still, to have your, you know, your celebrity fans in the opposing arena, that's something. >> But then it guy in Los Angeles right now, or, or gal, that you could put court side that would capture the moment, and that would feel like, oh, this, this is taking it up a notch. I mean,

“>> I think you have to go music. >> Someone's like, I think that, I think that, I have to grab Kendrick, ironically, the guy that handles his career Anthony huge lake or fan, obviously doesn't care about the lake or see won't put Kendrick at a game.”

>> Yeah, he told me to, yeah, he told me to whip my dick out on the show today. He knew how excited I was. >> Yeah, back then you did it. >> No, but maybe you have to do more musicians and not do the, not do the actors as much. >> Well, they still got flee, right? >> Yeah, that's the thing, they haven't replenished. It's like, it's like an aging contender that hasn't been replenished. >> You know what I just thought of? Where's my man, Jimmy Goldstein?

>> He's still, he's still in all these games. He didn't put him on camera anymore. >> Yeah, there's, there's a story there. Oh, there is. >> Yeah, well, he used to be a, he's a showman every game. >> It doesn't help when we're talking about. We want somebody that's 30 years old or, you know, under the age of 40. Last topic, before we go, Detroit Cleveland, I had Cleveland, Esther, I wagered on them, and they barely pulled it out.

And they wouldn't have pulled it out if James Harden didn't turn back into James Harden for like three minutes. He sucked the whole game, and then for three minutes became James Harden again. Cleveland, I don't think is lost home game, right? And the playoffs.

>> Wait, oh, Doug, time out, twice a second. Would you have rather lost the bet and Harden missed all those shots or have Cleveland?

>> Yeah, just for the hard and so right now, I wanted to win the bet. >> You wanted to win the bet. >> Yeah, I needed one after. >> It's way, it's way, it's way, the next have been profitable as well. >> We've been grab in the next. Well, you could have mine minus 30. >> The next one minus like one and a half today. Who thought Philly was winning today?

I thought that was crazy. >> Crazy.

Do you believe did the Cavs do anything to make you believe in them or not?

>> I do not, I do not believe the Cavaliers are going to beat the pistons.

“>> I have Detroit in five. I think they win game four and game five.”

>> It's a weird one, because I don't feel like Cleveland's playing the right lineups. That granted I'm a guy in my couch in LA. You know, I'm not spending every minute with the team, but like, unless Sam Mirals hurt, I don't understand why they're not playing him more. I don't understand why they only play one big instead of two.

I don't understand why they play Wade when every time Wade's in, it feels like it's a disaster. I would've pulled Harden. I know Harden came through out the stretch. I wouldn't have played him in the last six minutes, because he's such an offensive liability, but I don't know. It just seems like Accadson's going to go down with the ship with the two bigs,

Harden and Mitchell and a shooter and he's like, I guess this is when it'll lose. I don't know if I agree. >> I also think that, you know, I know JB Bicker's staff from his time in Memphis, and I know he feels, he feels like he got screwed there, like that he got blamed there, and he coached down of a Mitchell,

and he coached Evan Mobile, and he coached Jared Allen, and he coached James Harden when he was in Houston. He knows all those guys. So if there's anybody that knows how to make those guys look, like a semblance of, you know, or a shell of themselves,

it would be him, a guy that has really, he's been, he knows what,

you know, the way to defend those guys, he watched it every night.

He coached all of those guys. And so I am unsurprised that he's got a good game plan against those guys to make them super uncomfortable. Also, they just don't have, I don't think they have the requisite toughness. I just don't, like they just, they, they, they, they don't.

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