If you want a deeper look behind Cut Color Kill, now is the time.
Join our free newsletter at patreon.com/thebinge and you will get exclusive story details.
“You can't get anywhere else. Again, join me at patreon.com/thebinge.”
Listen to every episode of Cut Color Kill, add free right now when you subscribe to the binge. You'll hear the entire series before anyone else get exclusive bonus episodes and unlock more than 60 other true crime podcasts. Just head to the binge channel on Apple Podcasts and tap subscribe or visit getthebinge.com to listen wherever you are. The binge feed your true crime obsession.
In the belly of the vansized courthouse, there is a place called The Locke. It's directly underneath
“the courtroom down a flight of stairs, it's a room lined with grim cells. This is the”
whole then place for the people who find themselves on trial here in the San Fernando Valley. The inmates get dropped off by a prison van and led into one of the cells by a bailiff to wait. Today, those inmates are Monica Semantilly and Robert Baker. They're here at the courthouse for their arrangement hearing. They've been placed in separate cells, but they're close enough to talk. Robert Baker is absolutely right, deputy district attorney
Beth Silverman has made sure of it. I told the detectives I wanted to put recording devices into the cells at the vanized courthouse and while the bailiffs are going about their business
handling other inmates, these two have the opportunity to converse. This is the first time Monica
and Baker have been able to talk since they were arrested and separated two weeks ago. When Monica had learned that the police had found his DNA all over the scene of her husband's murder, you might expect her to be devastated or screaming at Baker or at the very least to have some questions. Monica seems pretty calm. She says she'll keep writing to Baker. In fact, she's brought a letter to the lockup, stashed in her bra. And within minutes, Baker is making
grand declarations of love. Robert Baker gets down on his knees on the dirty floor. I'm dealing right now for you. Hold me proud. Get me proud. So is that a yes? This isn't just a marriage proposal. It's a commitment to fight the charges against them. I will stick with this. I'm stick by no matter what kind of shit you're trying to throw it
at us. I'm here. I ain't going anywhere. The couple start to whisper. But the recorders still pick up some of their conversation. Mm-hm. No deals, says Monica. No, nine. Probably with you. Okay. I'm with you. Last month, baby. Monica starts telling Baker what she
“knows about the evidence against them. Who's all this I think? Right now.”
Encrypted texts, Monica says. It's circumstantial right now. But Baker is worried about the video evidence. They said it was a figure or a figure's video. So they saw it and say what or nothing and say it was anybody or anything. They think that's me in the video, she says, because they can't find the other person.
In the days after Fabio's murder, the police uncovered a surveillance video.
the joggers as detectives called them. Two figures and hoodies with their faces covered,
“running towards Fabio's house, then driving away from the scene in Fabio's Porsche.”
Right now, the investigators believe that one of those joggers is Robert Baker. But the other one can't be Monica. She was out running errands while Fabio was killed. That means there's another person still out there who was involved in Fabio's murder. The police know it. And their romantic prison cell conversation has just proven that Monica and Baker know it too.
From Sony Music Entertainment and novel, this is Cut Color Kill. I'm Jonathan Hirsch.
Episode five, The Other Man. Just a few short months before the murder that will shock woodland hills,
“Fabio and Monica cementilly are dancing in the kitchen to an old Italian love song.”
Monica is wearing a hoodie and slippers. Fabio is in a track suit and socks. His feet slide on the tile floor as they waltz about. They're giggling and singing along to the music. One of their daughters is filming. Now, the wife that Fabio was holding so tenderly is accused of his murder. This video of them dancing is part of a stack of evidence that Deputy DA Beth Silverman has to
sit through. Monica cementilly and Robert Baker have pled not guilty, which means this case will be going to trial. Digital investigators are trolling through Monica and Baker's phones and reviewing
surveillance footage from the day of the murder. We were still looking for who this third suspect,
“this other male individual who went up to the crime scene with Baker was. In the meantime,”
Beth Silverman starts making calls. Before Monica was arrested, the investigators couldn't ask anyone about her. In case we're got back to her. But now, if the prosecutor is going to take the case to trial, she needs to understand what people and Fabio's life knew about him and Monica. That means talking to friends, colleagues, and above all, the cementilly family. He met Monica through work. She did make up. In addition to also being a hair model at times as well.
Luigi cementilly Fabio's son and the rest of his family and Canada believe Monica's guilty. So, they're happy to talk to the prosecutor. Luigi accepted Monica as his step mom, but he tells Beth Silverman that he was well aware of the role she played in his parents divorce. I know that the marriage between my mom and my dad had largely been intervened with by Monica and it seemed like in order for her to get her way. She wouldn't let anything stand in the
way of that. I had seen the ruthlessness of emotion of getting involved with the man who was married and who had a son at home. And I'm not naive to think that my dad had no part in that. Of course, he did. But it takes two to tango. For Luigi, that ruthlessness he'd seen in Monica made it easier for him to believe she could be capable of murder. It wasn't such a jump to accept that she was involved and she had orchestrated the whole affair. But for others, it was too
great a leap to take, and they couldn't accept it. For my sisters, their world was turned upside-down far more than anyone else's. Not only had they lost their dad six months prior, but now they also lost their mom. And in some way, for them and for Monica's family, this denial was necessary in order to salvage their worldview. I was doing my best to be diplomatic and to say, "Okay, I suppose we'll see." Not everyone on Fabio side of the family has been so diplomatic.
I've heard Luigi is one of the only ones still on speaking terms with his sisters. I admire your compassion for them. It's the human thing to do to understand and to not rush to judgment of them because of that. That's a really hard place to be in when you're grieving. I appreciate you saying that. I know that as a maximum, people will accept
Something in so far as it fits what they already believe.
it didn't fit at all. We reached out to Luigi's sisters and Monica's family. They either declined a comment or didn't respond. Deputy DA Silverman puts a photo of Fabio and Luigi together on the notice board in her office. As she digs into the case, she fills this notice board with more and more photos. Fabio, meaning at the camera with his usual confidence. Fabio with the
people that mattered most to him, his family. I always have photos of the victim. It's what keeps
“you going. When you remember that there are people who are destroyed by senseless crimes like this.”
Over long conversations, the cementillies have brought Fabio to life for the prosecutor. He acted out his affection towards his family. So he would often walk with his arm around me and stuff like that. And I would kind of shy away being an unconfident 1314-year-old. And I would say "Dad, come on, don't embarrass me." Now if I could go back, I would say, "I'm not embarrassed. I love being with you." And I'm sorry I wasn't more confident to accept that display of affection
as you had displayed it.
Half of Fabio's family are standing by Monica. And those who believe she's guilty are counting
on Silverman to get justice for Fabio. It's our job to sort of shepherd them through this really lengthy, horrible process and try to leave them on the other side of it as holy
“complete as you can. They put their trust in me so I certainly don't want to let them down.”
The prosecutor will have to keep building her case without Fabio's daughters. Meanwhile, in prison, Monica and Robert Baker are building their own. Now there's a new law enforcement agency. The law enforcement agency is now in the right place. The law enforcement agency is now in the right place. The law enforcement agency is now in the right place. The law enforcement agency is now in the right place. The law enforcement agency is now in the right place.
The law enforcement agency is now in the right place. The law enforcement agency is now in the right place. The law enforcement agency is now in the right place. The law enforcement agency is now in the right place. My name is Sarah Turnney. I spent years fighting for justice for my missing sister Alyssa Turnney.
The four in arrest was finally made in our case after nearly 20 years. But after my experience with
the media, law enforcement and the court system, I knew I couldn't stop with Alyssa's case. I know what it's like to fight for media attention for answers and for justice. After I stopped telling my sister's story, I knew I wanted to help as many other victims, survivors and families as I could. On my podcast, voices for justice, I provide unique insight into these tragic cases, because I know what it's like to not just listen to these stories,
but to live them. And more importantly, how to help them by being a true voice for justice. Listen to voices for justice in your favorite podcast player today. You can be so much more than just a passive consumer of true crime. You have the power to help. In a stark jail visitation stall, Monica Cementilly is looking at her 16-year-old daughter Bella through a thick pain of glass. Bella is here to visit her mom and they're speaking
across the glass through a phone line. She's just shown Monica a tattoo she wants to get.
“Now, Monica has something to show her. That's good. Do you want to see mine?”
Shoot. Okay. Monica turns and lifts her hair up. To show Bella something on the back of her neck. I can't see anything. I can't see it. I can't see it at all. What does it say? It's a drawing in ballpoint pen. Can't see it. This is right or die. Ride or die. Bella's face falls.
I'm kidding. It's just a pen. I want to joke around with you. Maybe it's the sight of her normally immaculately turned out mother with a crude prison tattoo. Maybe she doesn't know the significance of these words. But deputy DA Silverman does. When she gets a hold of the footage of this jail visit, she recognizes the words "ride or die" instantly. She's seen it before, over and over. In letters, Monica and Robert Baker
have been sending to each other while they're in prison. Rider die is the two of them Baker and Cementelli telling each other how they're each other's rider died. They're going to take
What they've done to the grave and they're going to spend the rest of their l...
They write it in cursive letters, bake hearts, and on cartoon pornographic drawings.
In one letter, Monica even tells Baker that she's had a ring made for him with ride or die.
“Inscribed on it. She's playing with Isabella, right? Which I think is particularly cruel because”
Isabella doesn't know. Monica's like, "Oh, look at this tattoo I have in pen on the back of my neck." Part of why Beth Silverman finds this so cool is because of what she knows about Monica's movements on the day Fabio was killed. The detectives have the whole thing potted out. She had left just before the murder to go run Samarans and then was caught on surveillance video from the target coming out and being glued to her cell phone in the store for a period of time.
But came out with a tiny little bag of purchases. All day long, Monica is running those errands. She's sending messages. On the afternoon of the murder, Isabella is at school and has a job interview after class. At 140, Monica sends a message to her,
“saying, "Text me after the interview." And let me know when you're on your way. I'm making”
Fatina and corn for dinner. Later that afternoon, Monica is out of the shops and her other daughter, Jessica is still at home with Fabio. At 340, Monica texts Jessica. Don't be late for babysitting. I won't. LOL. She replies. A few minutes later, Jessica heads out to her babysitting job, leaving Fabio alone. About six minutes after that, at 353 pm, Monica connects to the app set up to view her home security cameras.
25 minutes later, the two suspects with their faces covered are caught on a street surveillance camera, running toward the cemetery house. Four minutes after that, while the suspects are still at the house, Monica gets a call from Isabella, who has finished her job interview. Monica sends Isabella on a detour to pick up some glasses from the eye doctor in her way home. At 452, Monica leaves the store she's in and starts driving home. Just as the suspects back at the house make their
getaway, Fabio's Portia. One minute after the killer's flee, Isabella cementilly arrives home to find her father's body. It was just such a very coincidental timeline that she had set up where she just happened to come home. I don't know, four minutes behind her daughter. To the prosecutor, this doesn't look like a coincidence. It looks carefully choreographed. Because on January 23, while Monica was texting her daughters and running errands, she was also using an encrypted app
called Viber. Although the investigators can't read the messages, they can see when they were sent and to who. And between 6am and 514pm, just after Fabio was killed, Monica exchanged 95 messages with Robert Baker. She has manipulated her youngest daughter so that she will find her father's
body, right? So she's not the one to find her husband's body first to sort of distance herself from the crime.
She's used her youngest daughter to do that and now she's joking with her daughter on what's an
“inside secret between her and her lover who have conspired to murder her daughter's father.”
To me, that was just a perfect example of who Monica cementillies and how she treated and thought about her daughter. Beth Silverman has been keeping close tabs on Monica and Baker in prison. They've been going to increasingly desperate measures to stay in contact. I'm buying other people's minutes so I can use them for like a different name every time I call in. Using other inmates to send mail to each other
through fake names, using other people's booking numbers to place calls through third parties
on the outside so they could actually get on the phone. Silverman knows they're conspiring, but she won't know exactly what their defense strategy is until the trial. There are endless delays and requests to revisit evidence. Monica's defense team also keeps requesting to speak with Robert Baker. In the meantime, Fabio's family are stuck in limbo. Over in Canada, with the holidays approaching, Luigi is trying to grieve with the case
still hanging over him. The first Christmas without my dad was a particularly painful event and
It reminded me of something that he told me years ago.
what was that like to deal with? And I specifically remember him saying, it was hard at first to deal with his death and deal with the funeral and the whirlwind of people, but the hardest part came when the people stopped coming. Because you realized life has to go on in this new way without
“this person in your life and you just have to accept it. And that's what that first Christmas”
in 2017 felt like. It was that realization of this is really it. It's this kind of dull agony
that never quite goes away. Details about the case, details about the affair, details about the murder,
came in trickles once a month, once every two months, a few times a week. It was like a faucet that you can never quite close. I remember going to a wedding of a good friend of mine and moments before leaving the hotel room as I had been dressed and ready to celebrate with my friends, getting an email or a call with some questions, some new information. And when that happened, it thrusted me back into the grief. Yeah, you're not watching this like it's some movie. It's not
some form of entertainment for you. You're not like waiting on every turn of a story. This is your real life. Absolutely. I'm not watching a true crime story where these details are matter of entertainment
or a plot twist. This is part of my life in the sense of grief. And I can't speak for others, but I
“had a hard time living my life being constantly reminded of my grief and the worst thing”
the murder of my dad had already happened. The Ouija doesn't want the constant drip, drip, drip, details. Others might, but he chooses to preserve his peace. He's waiting for the trial. That trial and with it the promise of closure keeps getting postponed. It drags on for months and years. Eventually a date is set for summer 2020, but when LA is hit by the COVID pandemic, everything is held up indefinitely. In 2023, more than six years after his father's death,
Luigi Cementilly gets a call. It's Deputy DA Silverman. She said she's got some news, and then knew something big had happened. She told me bigger is changing his plea. I should fly out to make a statement and to be there for when it happened. In that moment, as he starts preparing to fly to California, Luigi only has one thought in mind. One down, one to go. On July 7th, a Friday, 2023, Robert Baker stands before a judge
in the downtown courthouse. Luigi is in the courtroom, and there are lots of Fabio's friends, like his old well-off friends, Carol, Alicia and Melanie. Here I am in this courtroom, just looking at this individual person here who murdered our friend. This is weird. Knowing all the things that you know about Robert Baker, convicted sex offender, and in the porn industry, and just not at savory human being, you look at what this woman
has spent 20 years of her life creating, you know, two beautiful daughters, and then you're like, you threw that away for him. I guess you get caught up in a manipulation, you get caught up in less than greed, and like, wow, it's just mind blowing. How does that happen? Robert Baker announces to the court that he's pleading no contest to the charges against him. The judge explicitly said, "Are you aware that pleading no contest is the same as pleading
guilty?" And he affirmed, and then that was it. The person who went and killed my dad was going to face justice and spend the rest of his life behind bars. The judge sentences Robert Baker to life without the possibility of parole.
“What you need to understand here is that Robert Baker isn't taking a plea deal. There's no offer”
on the table. He's waving his right to a trial, and the judge can still impose the maximum
sentence, with the charges Baker is admitting to, first degree murder, and conspiracy to commit
murder, a life sentence is basically a given. It's really, really unusual in a murder trial for someone to do this. Anybody else in the right mind would have taken a shot at going to trial and convincing at least one person that either Monica led you to do this or come up with some other excuse for why his DNA was in the house and in Fabio's car. If Baker pled not guilty in went to trial, the worst case scenario for him would be the sentence he's just received. So deputy
D.A. Silverman knows there must be a reason he's doing this. The only reasonable conclusion from
His plea was that he was going to take the blame and try and get Monica off.
written a letter to Monica and given it to her defense team. It says in January 2017, when this all
happened, the intent was to actually deliver a gift for your birthday. Baker writes that he wanted to surprise Monica by leaving a present somewhere only she would find it. So he snuck into the house and placed a gift under Monica's pillow. Then, when he went out to the patio, he ran into Fabio.
“It went bad from there, he writes, "All I remember is going down numb. I knew I'd been hit”
hard by something. I sort of blanked out with fear, panic, and my last thought was I'm going to be killed. I grabbed whatever I could to defend myself and let instinct take over."
Baker tries to make it sound like he killed Fabio and self defense, then staged the scene
to look like a home invasion gone wrong. And, most importantly, Monica had nothing to do with it. A date for Monica's trial is set for early 2025. And now, prosecutor Silverman knows what she's up against, but the case is about to be shaken up again, because a new detective has been going back through the digital evidence ahead of the trial. She's found something. She noticed that Baker had sent a Facebook message soon after the murder to
“somebody we didn't know who wasn't coming up as a somebody who was regularly communicating with Baker”
nor was he in communication with Monica when we tried to link phone numbers together. After years of searching for the missing jogger from the surveillance video, the cops have a new lead. Fabio's cementility. Big hearts, big voice, big laugh. A rock star hairstyle is who drove a Porsche. He was like a wizard behind the chair. The killers came for Fabio and his own backyard. You can't rationalize that you can't figure it out. There was rampant speculation about everything.
But every while theory was wrong, because the truth was even more unbelievable. Well, is anyone hearing what I'm hearing? And even more heartbreaking. The uncertainty of not knowing is a form of agony. From Sony Music Entertainment and novel, this is Cut Color Kill. I'm Jonathan Hirsch. Cut Color Kill is available now on the bench. Search for it wherever you get your podcast to start listening today. Subscribers to the bench can listen to all episodes,
all it wants, add free.
“If you want to ruin your life, you really cut. We all know the internet has a dark side,”
but there's one online predator who unleashed hell on his targets. An internet terrorist. That's the best thing to describe him as. He's after young female gamers and he turned their dream of
becoming a big-time streamer into a never-ending nightmare. We get big bright lights in our face
and we have guns pointed at us. There is no logging off and there's no getting away. Eventually you get a message from this guy. If you want this to stop, you have to talk to me. The cops need to figure out who's the mastermind behind it all. I can't believe what I just thought. And stop him before it's too late. Oh my gosh, how is he doing all of this? From Sony Music Entertainment and novel, this is you, our next. Coming June 1st to the bench. Listen wherever you get your podcasts.
It's October 2024. And Deputy District Attorney Heather Stegel is on a plane flying from LA to Washington State. Heather works on the same floor as Beth Silverman. So she's heard about the moniker's inventory case. She was talking to me about it in the hallway and it was fascinating. The minute she asked me, "What do you want to do this with me and do the trial?" I said, "Yes, yes, yes, I want to do it." Deputy DA Stegel starts reading through the case files so the two
prosecutors can strategize. She can see there's a strong circumstantial case against Monica here, but nothing is ever totally certain. Is it enough? We don't have a confession in terms of I did it. It's a female defendant. Jerry's tend to feel sympathetic for female defendants. I don't know why, but I've had it happen before too. Then there's the questions still hanging over the case. The missing suspect, the other jogger caught on the surveillance cameras running towards
Fabio's house. Whenever we're prosecutors and we do a trial, we hate when there's something left
Unanswered.
the family wants to know who is that second person. That person has remained a mystery for years,
“but in 2019, a new detective, Mitzi Roberts, joined the case. She's been trolling back through”
the digital evidence and she found a Facebook message from Robert Baker. In this message, Baker directed him to download WhatsApp, which is an encrypted application for them to communicate. The name of the man, Baker, messaged, is Christopher Austin. At the time of the murder, he was living in Alaska, but he'd grown up in the same neighborhood as Robert Baker, and his dad was a friend of the Baker's. The investigators start digging and pass on what they
find to the prosecutors. He seemed to be staying on and off with Robert Baker doing odds and end jobs. He was driving him. He was kind of like his air in boy, almost. This makes sense to the prosecutors. A lackey is exactly the kind of profile they're looking for. Most of these crimes, just from experience, a lot of times they have lookouts because you're going somewhere where you're
“not supposed to be. Someone could come home. Someone could call the police. So we assume that the”
second person jogged up the hill with Robert Baker. We assumed it was a lookout. The investigators
pull flight records and subpoena financial records. On the 12th of January, Robert Baker made a payment to someone in Alaska. Then on the 22nd of January 2017, the day before the murder, Christopher Austin took an Alaskan Airlines flight to LA. They knew that he was in the area. He was friends with Rob. He'd gone to Los Angeles. They had tracked him to Los Angeles, but it wasn't quite enough to put him
at the scene of the crime and involved in the crime. The detectives already know that on January 23rd the day of the murder, Robert Baker rented a car to get to the scene of the crime. Turns out
that 45 minutes after Fabio was murdered, Christopher Austin got a traffic ticket in that same
rental car. At that point, all pieces started falling into place. Deputy DA Stegle and a team of a dozen or so detectives fly to Washington State to arrest Christopher Austin. If he's willing to talk, this could crack Monica's case wide open. It's been more than seven years since the murder. Austin has moved to Washington State. He seems to have made a fresh start there. He had a small child. He was married. He'd been working as a probation officer. He didn't have any problems in the
job. He was for lack of better words while respected in his career. Christopher Austin is about to get a big surprise. On the morning of October 2nd, Deputy DA Stegle and another dozen investigators arrive at the local police station in Vancouver, Washington. We're in a big conference room. There's a giant screen of what they had as they had cameras looking at Christopher Austin's house. More detectives are surrounding Austin's house, waiting for him to leave. They had a team
out there ready to follow him and arrest him as he's driving to work. They've got another team waiting as soon as he's arrested to go and speak with his wife simultaneously. All of it's very strategic because it has to happen at the same time where Christopher isn't able to necessarily call his wife, get story straight. So they've got to have a lot of different people in place for this arrest. Pulling him over, like they don't know if there's a gun in the car, what he's going to
do, who this guy really is. Deputy DA Stegle watches through the camera feed as the door to the house opens. Right on time, Christopher Austin is setting off to work, but he's not alone. He left with his daughter. That was not planned. These detectives do not want to stop him with his daughter in the car. So then we're in the room thinking, what's going on? Are we going to arrest him
“or not? This is not a good time. We're all on a little bit of pins and needles on. Where's he going?”
If he's with his daughter, we're not going to do anything. We're going to let him go on his errands and he might just go home and then the plan's going to have to be revamped. Detectives tail Austin as he drives his daughter to daycare. Once he drops her off, it's safe to move in. Heather Stegle gets word from the team in the field. We've got him. We're bringing him into the station and that's when we know it. It's go time.
Let's eat and have your room in there. Christopher Austin is placed in a cell and then taken into an interview room by two LAP detectives. This is my partner. Take that body over in the conference room. Deputy DA Stegle is watching the whole thing play out on a live video feed. Everything has been building to this moment. The minute he says, I want a lawyer. I don't want to talk to you. The detectives have to stop. That's his right. He didn't do that. He just started talking.
He has to say something.
We are, I really do. It's my understanding that you care for him. He knows exactly why he's there. And it seemed like this weight had been on him for years and years and years. Austin's body language is defeated. He tells the detectives he's been waiting for them to find him. I'm listening and I'm taking notes. They're asking about the killing of Fabio. It was possible in rough mud. Take a couple of things. Didn't mean what didn't happen that
we had. So how did happen? He just says, and then I covered his eyes and then I stabbed him.
“He was one, two, three, and go. Was I going to stab? Wait, what? I was like, did he just say he stabbed him?”
We can, could you stab him? Austin holds up one finger. Austin gestures to the side of his neck. It seems like he can hardly speak. That was not on my radar. I was not expecting him to say that.
We always assumed going into that interview that there was one stabber and that was Robert Baker.
We thought the second person was more of a lookout. And I remember looking around being like, is anyone hearing what I'm hearing? Like, what? So now we've got two people actually involved in the physical stabbing murder of Fabio Cementelli.
“But even more than that, Austin says there's a reason that he and Baker knew when Fabio”
would be alone. How did he know when to go? Did he talk into it? She said he threw that. Right before this murder happened, Monica called Baker and said, "Now, now's a time let's go." She's the ringleader. She's directing it. Everything went through her.
Next time on the finale of Cut Color Kill. Monica's trial finally arrives.
And two confessed killers take the witness down. Baker said she wants him gone. She wants him dead. I murdered him because I wanted to hurt.
“Unlock all episodes of Cut Color Kill. Add free right now by subscribing to the binge podcast channel.”
Not only will you immediately unlock all episodes of the show, but you'll get binge access to an entire network of over 60 true crime and investigative podcasts. Show's like doctors orders and
watching you all add free. Plus, on the first of every month, subscribers get a binge drop of a brand new
series. That's all episodes, all at once. Search for the binge on Apple Podcasts and hit subscribe at the top of the page. Not on Apple, head to getthebinge.com to get access wherever you listen. This is Cut Color Kill, an original production of Sony Music Entertainment and novel, hosted by me, Jonathan Hirsch. Caroline Thornham is our senior producer. Katherine Doddfree is our editor. Muhammad Ahmed is our assistant producer. Mark Pidam is our engineer. Additional engineering by Daniel
Kempson. For novel, our executive producer is Max O'Brien. For Sony Music Entertainment, our executive producers are Katherine St. Louis and me, Jonathan Hirsch. Production management from Shari Huston, Joe Savage and Charlotte Wolf. Fact checking by Fendell Fulton, research by Miron Kaplan. Story development by Nell Gray Andrews. novels director of development is Selena Meta. Special thanks to Carolyn Chair Levin at Miller, Coorsonic Brainman.
And a big thanks to the whole Sony Music Entertainment team. [Music]
