Adam Kinzinger: The First Family's Corruption Is Mind-Blowing

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I'm your host Tim Miller, delighted to welcome back to the show. One of our phase form of member of Congress from Illinois, sort of in the Air Force and Air National Guard. He's on sub-stack, and he's the author of a new children's book out next week. That's what heroes do. It's Adam Kinzinger.

Hey, just kind of the male fatherly urge to Propagandaise children. Consumed you. That's right. About you can help people.

Like, that's my Propaganda. My Propaganda is not, you know, Thomas the turtle rides on the back of Trump to victory. It's just like, hey, you kids can be, you can be a hero. Just live for something bigger than yourself. Okay.

My page through it. So I'm going to have some notes for you at the end of the show, but we've got some news to talk about first. Okay, it sounds good. I want to start with a run.

“And I think it's important to frame a couple of the topics around Iran around something.”

And I don't want to, I don't want to slur you. So I think this is true about you. I kind of joke about how I'm a former neocon or recovering neocon. You kind of still are a neocon, right?

I mean, basically, basically, you know, kind of at least,

you're in the milieu at least, you know? Yeah. So wearing Matt Hat, how would you assess the state of the way in the Iran War? Putting on your neocon, kids of your hat. First off, I want to make neocon great again, right?

I want to go back to the original neoconism, but like Irving Chris. We're in a terrible place. Yeah, exactly. We're in a terrible place because here's a deal. Donald Trump did not prepare people for this.

It's like two days prior to the beginning of this war. We had a state of the union address, which you would think. He would talk about a little more than just maybe in bypass mentioning Iran. He didn't prepare the people. He certainly made it clear from day one in his post in his tweets and his discussions.

He made it very clear that like he wanted this to be over quickly. And Iran saw that. Now, if you're going to actually use military force, one thing you don't want to do, is give the enemy any reason to outlast you. You don't want to say, hey, I've got only this much patience, guys.

So you know, capitulate, they have a high threshold of pain. They knew they could just wait this through. And then now we end up in a place where they claim. And I mean, all the defenders of this are saying, well, we're do nuclearized Iran.

OK, I could argue, maybe we denuclearized a little bit in June. The stuff is still there. Nothing has changed from June, though. All of this nuclear material still exists. There's no agreement.

And now we're in this standoff where during the actual kinetic part of the war, we were releasing all this Iranian oil to the world market. Now we're trying to make up for it by having a blockade in the straight of four moves. And all we're doing is basically destroying the world economy and hoping that Iran is fighting with itself.

But we don't see any indication of that besides Trump's post. So I think the bottom line I would say on this is, if you're going to go to war, and this is the Neo-Con side of me, if you're going to go to war, you prepare the American people for it. And you also understand that your first plans may not actually work.

But you know, what does it plans never survive first contact with the enemy?

“And you have to be willing to actually do what you need to do to achieve your goals.”

And we're in the worst of all cases right now. Were you there on day one or did you have some help for this? Uh, I was kind of here on day one. There was part of me that's like hoping that, you know, this works out the Iranian regime collapse. It's great for the Iranian people to be free.

Yeah. Like there's this this this little, Jiminy cricket inside of you, or Jiminy McCain. But it's like it would be great if they were free. Yeah. So there's that feeling that my hope is not a strategy.

he wants out as quickly as he wants out, right? He wanted this to be a quick strike. And I knew this was going to end up making things worse. And, and here's the other thing I want to make an, an important point because you'll see all the defenders out there saying, well, we have reduced their ballistic missile capacity.

We've reduced their drone capacity. Sure. But listen, why does the United States buy weapons? We buy weapons so that we can defend ourselves defend our allies in project power. Why does Iran buy weapons? Iran buys weapons so that he can keep the regime in power. So where are we at today? Yes, Iran has less weapons.

You know, who else has less weapons? The United States of America, because we depleted a lot of our weapons. So if we're just going by which side has less weapons and they started with, then we both lost. Secondarily, the regime is still in place. So the weapons that they bought have achieved their goal of keeping them in place. So there is no way you can look at this, at least where we sit today and say this is a victory. Yeah, they have fewer ships and we have fewer patriots.

Yeah. Okay, great. Now I'm with you on that and I'll only get over to you.

You're creating a second bit, but just staying with Iran, at least the lesson of Ukraine is

they innovate it. They did. Right? And I think that there's some limitations to the Iranian regime. It's going to make it harder for them to innovate than Ukraine. But right, you're already kind of seeing it from Iran. Right? They might have fewer traditional ships now, but you can see the way that

“okay, well, once you get punched in the face, you have to adapt and, you know, they might end up”

becoming more adapt at drone technology and they certainly now see more adapt to keeping the straight informed moves closed and they thought that they were beforehand. So, well, and this is the whole point in is like, yeah, okay, we sunk their navy. What was their navy for to close the straight-of-four moves? What their navy did in the past is going to do? Yeah, there was the ships gonna ride across the Atlantic and attack us attack us at Savannah. Okay, we blew up other cavalry

horses. Awesome. Okay, they were never going to use them. And so, it's that the other thing is coming

off of Venezuela. There was this, I mean, remember the story about the guy that's like, you know, all the troops came out with magic lasers and helicopters and all this stuff. There was this like impression of the United States that we had a lot of technology. We were holding back. We were this amazing power. That was blown and Iran, right? I mean, the military executed their job fantastically. The problem is it's dime diplomatic information, military and economic, right?

“You have to do all four of those things. We did the military part well.”

Diplomatically information, military economic. Those are the four tools you have to use in square to control an enemy, but the information side. This is what drives me nuts. So, they will attack, you know, Democrats for opposing this war and say, they are the reasons, what has access to that. They are the reason. They're the chief enemy. They're the reason we're losing. Listen, Iran put out these Lego memes, right? That we're hilarious, but this was information warfare.

That's how you do information warfare now. So, what did the White House do? Instead of the White House countering with their own version of a Lego meme, making the regime look stupid, they were putting out memes against Democrats. So, Iran was attacking, you know, the United States, the United States was attacking itself, and then we wonder why this is unpopular and why Trump

is losing the information war? Yeah, a couple other reasons why it's unpopular. So, first, this is

today, May 1st, where we've run out of the 60 days under the war powers resolution. The administration says that the war in Iran is over, so they don't need to seek congressional approval, according to the AP, Pete Hague Seth offered kind of a different view, which is that the days don't count during a ceasefire. I don't know, that isn't actually in the legislation, but you know, they're iterating. It's a little confusing. If the war is over, then why is the straight-of-arms

closed? What's happening with that? That's hard to understand. And why do they still have nuclear material? Because I thought that was the aim of the war. And by the way, a blockade is an act of war. Let's just be clear. That's internationally recognized as an act of war. The war powers resolution, which you know, you coming from your former neocon past, like the war powers, resolution isn't necessarily the best written thing that there is out there. But one of the things

that very clearly says is, at the point you notify Congress of an action, you have 60 calendar days by which to then get approval or pull the troops out. It doesn't say 60 business days. It doesn't say 60 war days. It says from that moment, there are 60 calendar days by which you have to take this action. And so I think what they're trying to do, I mean, clearly is to reset the clock. They should just say they're going to ignore it. I mean, because that's what they're going to do.

“That's what every president does, honestly. Instead of pretending, you know, that the, you know,”

too cute by half. But, yeah, if the war is over, then we achieved absolutely none of our aims.

Um, so this is just today, um, on the gas prices jump over the last week, uh, just as one data point for how bad that economic situation is. Indiana is up a buck oh nine in the last week. Ohio. That was up for a buck oh nine. Freedom of cost of buck oh nine. That was from Team America. World police anyway. Is that right? Yeah. Freedom of cost of buck oh nine. All right. Well, what's the look up from Team America? I liked that. I just heard it in a while. We'll put that in.

America, fuck yeah. Ohio up 94 cents a gallon Michigan 88 Colorado 47 keep going. The museum facts pointed this week. I mean, this comparison to COVID, where it's like we knew that there's this bad thing that was coming. This was global health up in all of the global economy. But it was like, yeah, you know, we're going to do two weeks to stop the spread, you know, and then things look good better. And then about the time that Tom Hanks and Rudy go there got

COVID, everybody is like, wait a minute. This is going to be worse. And I kind of feel like that is happening this week in the gas prices where people are like, regular people are waking up to the fact that like, wait a minute. This thing is not snapping back this summer. Like we have created an economic calamity that is going to reverberate at least through the year, maybe longer. And like, we don't exactly know how bad it's going to get. But there's going to be unpredictable bad things

that happen because supply chains are complicated and you don't know where, show what, how short of just here, are going to affect consumers there. I mean, I've been on the top edge of catastrophizing on this, but I'm wondering where you're at on it. Well, I think you're right. And, you know, look,

I saw this amazing graphic that I kind of wish was out there more. It basically showed the

tankers that leave the straight-of-port mues and where they go. And it made the point that a

“tanker travels at the speed of a bicycle. So you have to imagine if you leave the port,”

yeah, toward the front, it's a color like me, right? No, like a you want a bicycle. Yeah, so pretty slow. Pretty slow and pretty breezy. But the, uh, when you're leaving the port, when you go to the zig-zag, the jads, that's just today. It happens. It happens. So when you're leaving the port, imagine, and literally writing a bicycle around, right? And then going to the port that you're going into, and this is why for two or three months, we haven't had massive fuel disruption because

basically the bicycles that had left before the war started were completing their journey. Now,

if the straight opens today, like if today, it's like boom, oil flows, it takes that first bicycle leaving the straight to the ports they're going to to begin to see an influx of oil again on top of that tin. Every country now, China's doing this, we have to refill our strategic petroleum reserve, and every country that has the financial resources to do it is going to make a decision to now have a petroleum reserve. So you imagine that kind of accordion effect now of not just filling the

current needs or the deficit of needs on oil. But on top of that now, everybody's going to be building these massive tanks to store oil in. And so you can see this supply shock lasting for a very long time.

“And I think you're right. I don't think we understand the helium shortage. What does that actually mean?”

What does it mean on the plastic side of things? Honestly, we're lucky to be Americans because

we're not going to run out of oil. But the problem is, is we're also the ones that

in essence created this problem. And so we're like, hey, screw you guys. This is, you know, we're fine. And that's just a oil part of it. Right. I mean, there's, you know, we've been talking about this when I've had the e-connects or something to fertilize over the urea, the helium. Like there's a lot of shit that also impacts various supply chains, various products of people use at so anyway. Tom Hanks has COVID bad things are coming. That's the summer of that section. It's funny that you

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that everyone to get to a week, which is Israel, our partner in this war, purchasing, stolen grain that came from Ukraine. And there's a specific ship that had taken port at Haifa that had stolen Russian grain on it. And the media was alerted to this and Israel backed off

taking it. But then we have come to learn that this wasn't the first one. And like they

that Israel has been accepting, you know, Russian grain that was stolen from Ukraine.

“In addition, this is kind of a separate thing that this has been having for a while. Like Israel”

has been buying Russian oil this whole time, too, and has like some waivers from the sanctions in order to do so. So like across a couple of vectors here, our ally in this war in Iran is, well maybe they are on the same side as us in the Russia Ukraine war. I guess maybe that's the question. Maybe we're all on Russia's side. What do you make of a story? This is a really weird thing. And this started, my interest in this started actually back at the launch of the full

scale war in Ukraine because Israel was not giving Ukraine anything. This is, remember, at the beginning,

this was the time when all countries were coming together basically and giving Ukraine something.

And Israel wasn't, I was still in Congress, I put out a statement like, "Israel needs to pick what side it's on?" And you can imagine the blowback I got right from the American kind of Israeli-interested crowd. And that actually opened my eyes to like, look, I'm simply calling out an ally for, you know, that's supposed to love freedom for not helping another freedom

“loving country. And so that actually made me quite honestly doubled down on it and keep watching.”

And then this story broke about the stolen grain. Are you seeing a lot of that from the APAC world? I just like putting aside all the other discourse around it, just judging them as like, have they been an effective advocate for their colleagues? Boy, the exact opposite. Like it's hard to think of an advocacy organization that has done more harm to the interests that they claim to be first pursuing frankly. And like your, your example is just one. That's just one example.

We've seen so many that are somewhat of this. It's been a money. It's Tom Mowenowski, a new jersey. Simply because he said like, hey, we should condition some aid when his opponent is like, you know, hates Israel, supposedly or whatever. I don't even pay attention to the race, but certainly not as pro Israel isn't crazy. But so the stolen grain issue, I mean, it took finally Zelensky calling them out. You know, a lot of public pressure Israel's response was we don't do Twitter diplomacy,

which they really do Twitter diplomacy. And it's crazy. Egypt, by the way, when confronted with this,

canceled their grain orders. So Egypt did the right thing. And it was amazing seeing the right

come out and try to defend Israel in this. And I, I don't know the full details of why this last shipment was rejected. I had actually heard that at some point the buyer is the one that said no to it. So it wasn't necessarily that Israel had to interject to the grain. But listen, the easiest thing Israel can do if they want to maintain the friends they have in the United States is to support Ukraine. Listen, you don't have to send them all your patriots, although I would say

send them some patriots. You don't have to send them all your weapons. I get it, you know, you're threatened at this moment. But at least doing little things like not buying grain from Russia. But there is a weird affection between Vladimir Putin Netanyahu, like there is between Putin and Donald Trump. There's something in that kind of right-wing alliance thing that's going on. And it's been there for a while between Netanyahu and Putin. The strangest thing about those

relationships that make you, I've been an adamant anti-conspiracy this week, so I don't want to get into doubling into conspiracy theories. But it does make you understand how conspiracy theories start to pervade. Because it makes you wonder why exactly do BB and Trump have this affinity for Putin

A Putin is actively helping the other side. And not even in the Iran war, just in the region,

Putin's supporting Hezbollah. And, you know, reportedly, I assume that we have this intelligence, since it's broken into the public, Russia was giving Iran coordinates for how to attack our basis in the region. And yet Trump has a Putin call this week, and BB is taking his stolen grain.

“How do you make sense of that? You know, the best thing I can make sense of is like, if you put”

yourself in the mind of kind of, I'll just say, I guess the right, generally, the conspiracy right, but like, for 30 years, you've been programmed to believe through Fox News and some other news, you've been programmed to believe that the real enemy is the left, right? The liberals, you know, the wokes, that's the real enemy. And, all the sudden you look in Russia, Russia, you know, oppressed the Chechnyans, Russia, you know, fights the Muslims. Obviously, Israel does anti-Gay,

right, gay marriage is illegal there. And I think there is something among the right that united some on that front. Culture war now, I think just supersedes any war. Culture war supersedes any difference. It's why they had such affection for Orban. And I really think that there is a kind of a brotherhood, if you will, that exists because, you know, therefore, traditional values. And I didn't know, traditional values, blowing up Ukrainian churches and murdering Ukrainian children and sexually

assaulting Ukrainian kids. But I guess it does. It's just the left is seen as the chief overarching enemy in Tim after 35 years of people being steeped in nightly news that says the enemy is the left. I guess in a way, you can't blame them. I mean, you can, because everybody has agency,

“but you can see where it came from. I think that's definitely part of it. You have to assume there's”

money involved at some level. I don't know what, but I want to talk about the Trump family corruption a little bit. But Israel has also been extremely myopic and like thinking about their near-term interests and that's near-term and it's in their near-term interest to get cheap, Russian oil and stuff. But still, I just looking at you at Adam Kinzinger. Like, if Adam Kinzinger is pissed at Israel and getting off the ship, that's a fucking sign. Like, you really made some

decisions and made some choices that are alienating you from allies that are going to have ramifications down the line, right? And are you changing your mindset on like, what kind of relationship we should

be having in the future with Israel at all? Yeah. You always used to look at this as,

right? You always look at this as like, you know, Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East, blah, blah, blah. And I do think it is important that we make sure they're safe and healthy and protected. But at the same time, this idea of true democracy is getting a little questionable. Yeah, there's both here and there. I guess that's more there, but I'll have been both places. But anyway, sorry, I had to point that out. Like I said, my eye opening thing was in 2022,

when I said, Israel needs to pick aside and I get attacked. It's like, wait, my job as a legislator on the Middle East for an affairs committee is to advocate for the best interest of the United States. And I think the best interest is calling out our ally Israel who has the capacity to help you crane. And if you're telling me that I can't even make that question when, by the way, I'm German and I can rip on the Germans for anything. We can rip on the French and the UK and everything else.

But all this, but Israel's off limits. Like BS, that's like, that's when I started to kind of open my eyes to it. Now, I still, you know, October 7th, terrible day. But I also think Israel fought that more wrong. They should have fought a counter insurgency instead of counterterrorism. They should have invaded Gaza and rooted out the bad people instead of just leveling it to the ground. But if I say that, then somehow I'm anti Israel. Like, and that's I think where you're seeing the massive blowback

is this idea that we're not allowed to question it. We're not allowed to criticize and Trump is not going to be president in two and a half years. What are you guys thinking? Like, you don't want to piss off who's going to be in charge? In this case, I think BB thought he could really topple the regime. I do think that. That was what there was in the briefing. And maybe it was wish casting. Maybe thought it was a 50/50 chance, but it was worth it or whatever. I can't get inside his brain. But I think

you thought there was a chance that the regime could be toppled. That there were that week. And the Trump was his opportunity. And you took it. And Trump went along with it. I just think that that's what happened. Obviously, there are other factors to play in all of this. It's like a puppet master

“thing. But like, that's what happened. And it seems like it was a bad bet. And Israel had been on a”

hot streak, too. Basically, everything they had done on that week. So you did that point. Yeah,

see you get that. Yeah, the other thing just makes me think about what the grain is like, here's now my old, you know, kind of coming back. Part of me is like, we should bomb the stolen grain. Actually, we're doing right now. We're like bombing random fishermen in the Caribbean,

or whatever. Like, it's not even coming to us. And we're bombing these ships. That's our enemy.

“Like, in what way is that our enemy? And the Russians with the stolen Ukrainian grain who are selling,”

you know, those supplies to Israel, like we're on the same side as them. Everything is just really turned around. It is. And this is the, this is the thing, like, even the bombing of the boats, the thing that bothers me so much about that, particularly the old double tap, right? The one where the two guys were hanging off trying to survive and we dropped more missiles is like, this darkens our soul. And I don't want to sound just too like esoteric, but like, I want my son. So I served in

the military, obviously. If my son decides to join the military, I want him to be proud of it. I want him to know that the military is moral in an immoral thing. You know, war by definition is immoral, but you can be as morals you can. The things that we're doing, um, by, you know, a Hexastan up there and below, we're not going to be woke, Sissy's anymore. And we're going to blow up these boats. And yes, screw these guys here trying to flip the boat over for God's eggs.

I can't flip a boat over if you're in the water. But the damage that does to our own soul is what bothers me. It darkens who America is. It darkens our moral authority. And it's tough to come back from that. And, you know, unfortunately, too many people cheer it on. And the platform makes me no problem. I have many problems, but the platform is not one of them. I have the feeling that Shopify is a platform to continue to optimize everything. Everything is

super, simple, integrated and connected. And the time and the money that I can't be able to invest in there. For all of you, in Waksthum. This is kind of a dog bite, man. But there was another Trump Putin call this week, I guess, 45 minutes. And again, it's like, there are a lot of people who don't like it. And there are a lot of people who don't like it. And there are a lot of people who don't like it. And there are a lot of people who don't like it.

And there are a lot of people who don't like it. So there are a lot of people who don't like it. They're fighting us. Yeah. So let's get that hand of the very well. There's a period of time where Zelensky is trying to bully Trump over this. Pressure would maybe be a better word. And now he's just like, whatever. They talk all the time. Nothing changes. Yeah. I don't know. It's pretty wild.

It is. And the good news is, as you crane his basically, I won't get to deep. But basically,

Ukraine is now commanding the, at least the mid-range. And even the long-range drone attacks into Russia. So you cranes in a good spot. Although they do have real manpower issues. They don't need the

“United States as much as they did. And so I think this is good. I mean, because the crawling around”

on their knees that like Europe has done for Donald Trump just empowers him. And Europe is a, you know, they're a continent that if they got their act together, could actually compete with us, military, or anything. Got none of that. What have I gotten? Nothing. He almost a very green land. And now they're going to have like a major energy crisis. And they weren't even going to help. Years have been left. Yeah. It's incredible. It's not like they bought time. Like we're only

year and a half through this guy. Yeah. It's like they sucked up to them. I guess, maybe I'm trying to think about what the year, like what Mark Roodle would say. And he'd be like, well, he doesn't have any dreamland. Yeah. He doesn't have dreamland. They dialed back the tariffs. And it's like, all of that was because of political pressure. He dialed back the tariffs because the economy

“was tanky. Yeah. That's why. Not, but, you know, maybe there's some specific ones you got out of them.”

But out of macro scale, they've got nothing. They don't understand. Look, it's what we learned

in the political side here with Trump is like, you can never get in close with him. You can never

impress him. He has no respect for people that gravel to him. And he'll eventually throw them out. It's the people that stand up against him that he has respect for. And I think, you know, the generous, Vladimir Putin Donald Trump thing would be like, well, Trump has respect for him because he doesn't push him around. But, you know, I think it's actually more sinister than that. Yeah, probably. Hooker P. I want to talk about the voting rights act. And what's

having here in Louisiana? So we had the ruling earlier this week that week ends the protections in the voting rights act section two. The district that was particularly that was challenged in

particular was here as the second majority minority district in Louisiana. And a weird way,

for that the district was needed because of the voting rights act. And part of the reason it even

“exists is because Louisiana decided not to fight it when the last time the ruling came down”

because everybody hated Garrett Graves so much that they were just like, fuck it. We'll just draw Garrett Graves out of his seat. And then we'll deal with it in 2030. It was like basically what the thinking was, you know, there are other seats where the, you know, cases much more strong for a need of majority minority district. That said, the ruling comes down this week. We already in the primary season. The ballots are out. They're absolutely ballots out. I can go early

vote tomorrow. Jeff Landry yesterday by executive order says that he's postponing the house primary elections. I can't think of a more direct assault on democracy than that. And I guess both sides just like actually cheating and counting the ballots. I mean, you know, do one thing and say, okay, 120, 28, we're going to redraw this and, you know, it'd be hard to fight that's bring court ruled. But the legislature he didn't bring the legislature back together, it was just one

man, but executive order nullifying at least some votes. Mark Eliza Democracy docket has said that at least some absentee ballots have been returned early. So he's nullifying the votes of those people in order to try to squeeze out a new congressional seat before November. And it's really bad. I mean, this isn't a four or five seats wing. It's one, right? Like one is probably not going to make the difference. This is Jeff Landry trying to impress Donald Trump, I think. You know,

everybody is always trying to impress Donald Trump. You know, the problem is like Illinois could

have probably squeezed out one more seat. I wish they would do that now, but it's too late. Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know what the Louisiana Supreme Court, what the Louisiana Constitution is on it. But on the face of this, this seems just ludicrous and insane, right? And I think this is the other thing is I don't know if Democrats fully embrace or understand how bad this is going to be in 2028. I think the impact in 2026 will be fairly limited. Louisiana may redraw and I think that's

about it. Tennessee, I think is trying to jump through a redraw in the Memphis state. That's even tougher though, because they only have one at where's we have two. So there's like fewer ways to mess

“with up a Tennessee metric. But that's what you're going to see is like all these states now will in 28”

redraw to either no minority districts or one if they have two. Because I remember during all the redistricting in fact, they took a lot of effort to actually draw the majority minority districts,

because you know, all the minorities don't always live in the same place, right? And so they're going

to have an easy way of drawing it out. And I think it's terrible, honestly. And I think what you're going to end up seeing is disenfranchisement of minorities. I think there was an argument to be made that the Civil Rights Act probably should have been updated recently, because it is a what 60 some year old law that kind of was a different era, but we may see a bit of a return to that era now, where you know, black voters are disenfranchised. And the question is what are black voters

going to do in 26 and 28? Because they can have control over this. We need federal chairman, I mean, during law obviously, it's so obvious at this point now. And so like any other type of jerrymandering, like there has been some jerrymandering that takes into account, you know, the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act rather, and that is not going to hold up and court. But the way to fix that is to make it better law, right? And instead, you know, gutting the entire thing

and maybe ending up to a situation where there is outside of Atlanta, like no black representation in the South. And that's possible in 2028. It is. And I take this two or three steps more into the future. And I'm like, I'm starting to see where democracy, our democracy simply can ceases to be able to function at some point, right? You know, I have states that will be all red or all blue. So you're kind of going into soft divorce lane. When the Democrats take the house and hopefully

the Senate, I don't know how a single budget gets done by the way. I don't know how we get through government shutdowns because there's going to be a lot of things that Trump is going to take a stand on that Democrats rightly say no to. And I think this is where we're kind of getting into this

thing of mutual sure destruction, right? Why did we never fight the Soviet Union because we both

could destroy each other? Until both sides understand, they can destroy each other, you know,

“then we can maybe get nationwide redistricting reform. But that's why the Democrats, I think,”

we're absolutely doing the right thing in Virginia is if you fight with your hand tie behind your back, you'll never get reformed because the Republicans are always at advantage. And in 2028, they're going to draw more seats because of this, this is a lot, they're changed. You can't, when you're talking about things like, well, we have autographed critics creep,

about, like, obviously January 6 and Trump trying to steal the election. But like, we have all these smaller issues, like, this is already happening, things are cracking. And you just, you can't tell me that it's a real democracy, if by executive order of the governor can nullify your vote, you know, or or in the case of Tennessee, if they do redot Tennessee, like the idea that Nashville and Memphis would not have representation.

“Like, how is that democracy? That's preposterous. I think Nashville already doesn't have”

representation. They've Pete said Nashville. So like, if you live in Nashville, you could be in one of four districts that go out to Bumfuck Egypt, you know, Tennessee. And it's like, that's as crazy, you know, this is crazy. Like, people need to be able to have representatives. When did Landry become batshit crazy? Because when I served with him in the house, he was, he seemed normal, but so did everybody else. It's crazy. He's so adaptable.

Yeah, Landry is, Landry is a total phony. It's totally happening. He's gotta lean on the other,

they've never been here before. Yeah, they've never been here before. Yeah, they've never been here before. The accent is exaggerated in fake.

It's not as fake as John Kennedy's accent, who's kind of like me ten years ago, and now he sounds like fog on Lake Horn. He doesn't even really have a Louisiana accent. He's basically doing something like a South Carolina train. Yeah, the whole thing is crazy. But now Landry is, is just, you know, he's power hungry, and he's a chameleon, and, you know, he just went full bore on the magas stuff, and he saw all of the winds are blowing.

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“You mentioned the budget. Should we talk about the debt for a second?”

Yeah, let's talk about this for one second. Then we'll go through, I want to go through

Trump family corruption in the in the in the killer C shells and a couple other things for I lose you. But I just saw the story yesterday about how debt is topping 100% of GDP now. This is from Richard Ruben, over at the Wall Street Journal. And I just, I kind of feel like it's you in my obligation. Since we have democratic listeners to just raise the, raise this, even if you're not like, you know, somebody that is a fiscal hawk.

From a practical standpoint, the amount of money that we are paying to service our debt is going to make it impossible for the Democrats to get any of their priorities done. And like the only hope that they have is that we have some huge amount of AI driven economic growth that changes, you know, the scale as far as the coffers are concerned. But even that, I mean, that's particularly the amount of debt that Trump has filed on the last four years or the last two

feels like four years last year and a half. And addition to the Biden term and then his first term. We're in a situation where, you know, like even if you don't want to get to like the rhetoric of we're going to be grease or any of that, you know, any of the catastrophizing, just like as a practical matter, if you look at the pie chart of what we're spending, like how the amount that we're spending to just service the debt, it's like makes it, it's going to make it so hard to do stuff that that

help people, right? Like the Democrats are like, we're going to run on economic populism now. And I'm for that's fine. I got, you know, I'm okay with the Democrats not pushing my ideal economic policy and

“everything. And I think that there's good reason why economic populism is resonating right now because of the”

scale of, you know, the gap between, you know, trillionaire Elon Musk and like regular people not being able to tell their guests like I get it. But you're not going to be able to do a lot of that stuff. And then people can even get more pissed. And then we're going to get in this like populism cycle, where everybody tries to out populism each other because we don't have the fucking money. And it's a real problem. It's a huge problem. And just to put it in scale, if you zero-wise, the U.S. military,

you can just get rid of the military, all the obligations in all U.S. foreign aid. We would still have

about a hundred billion dollar a year deficit. If we got rid of the U.S. military, right? All that

means is that even continues to grow. By the way, they're asking for another one and a half trillion. Is that the, is that the plan? Yeah. So we're not zeroing it. Actually, we're taking what we've got

my dream budget, by the way. But we also didn't have 40 trillion in a debt. I'd like to. So we all get space

“lasers. That's awesome. But listen, this is extremely dangerous. And I mean, right now, again,”

interest on the debt is exceeding what we're spending on Medicare, Medicaid, social security. That's going to grow. So we will never balance the budget again. And I can say this pretty confidently.

It will never be balanced. Here's what we need to aim for. Is that the increase in the deficit

is less than the growth of the U.S. economy. When we get to that, where the deficit is going to increase, but it's going to increase at a rate slower than the U.S. economy grows faster than the U.S. economy grows. Yeah. The deficit grows slower than the U.S. economy grows. So the economy has to grow faster than the deficit grows. Yeah. Once you get there, then you can have a stable money supply. Because the whole thing, the only reason we can maintain our debt is people still

believe in the value of the dollar. So we have to show a trajectory to correct this debt. But if we keep going on-hanging off the rails on this, yeah, you're going to start to see out of control inflation. Because we're going to have to start printing money to pay the interest on the debt, which puts too much money in the economy. We can go on and on. This is going to take me honestly. It's going to take everybody jumping off a proverbial political bridge and swallowing

things they don't want. But I don't think that we're in a position right now. We're either side as willing to give anything, particularly the Republicans who've made the decision that Christ is King and so is Trump. But I think this is going to come back to bite us. And the thing that anger is me, Tam, is nothing against the baby boomer generation. We all love baby boomers. But

they basically have driven, they've had five presidents if you actually include Biden. Us Exers,

you're a millennial. I'm an edge of Exem millennial. Have had none. No presidents. And we have 40

“trillion in debt now. And you know, that's good. That's good. That's what we're doing. No tax on social”

security now. So that's what we want to make sure we have a nice wealth transfer to upper middle class boomers. Why don't we just do no tax for anybody? And then we'll be popular. I want to know tax on super chats. Give us your super chat on YouTube right now. No tax on super chats. It's a free speech. It's kind of an assault on free speech actually for people to pay me to read their comments and then I have to pay taxes on that. That's insane. Violet's first amendment. It really does.

You know who is getting rich while the country goes bankrupt is the Trump family. I'm going to read two stories to you. Okay. The first story is from the F.T. The second story is from the Wall Street Journal. This is not Trump derangements in Trump. This is not a fantasy. This is not fake news. This is serious economic outlets reporting on two moves of the Trump families made in the last couple weeks. The F.T. A shell company backed by Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump has agreed to

merge with a critical minerals group that last year secured up to 1.6 billion in US government

support to mind tungsten and Kazakhstan. Because they got a lot of expertise there on tungsten mining into Kazakhstan. 1.6 billion for Trump's kids. Now, Wall Street Journal. Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. The President's sons are backing a new drone company that is vying to meet fresh demand from the Pentagon. Power us a drone roll-up company based in West Palm Beach, Florida is merging with a publicly traded golf course holding company backed by the Trumps.

That's a real fucking sentence in the Wall Street Journal. That's the Trump's golf course holding company is merging with the drone company to get government contracts for drones and they also in a separate deal are getting money from the government to mind tungsten and Kazakhstan. Listen, man, whoever is president next needs to put a big team at the DOJ together to unravel

“this stuff. Honestly, and I'm going to tell you, I know somebody who got involved in a company”

in the private equity phase like raising capital and they're getting ready to go public and this company invites, I think, Donald Jr. onto their board, who, by the way, as compensation gets these private shares in the company, which then goes public to the shares multiplied by five or ten or whatever the number is. Now, they have no regulatory block. This is the play. The play is bring the

keep seeing. And yet, we sat around and obsessed about Hunter Biden's $50,000 a month from Berisma as if that was going to unravel Western civilization. And in front of our eyes,

“this corruption is mind blowing, mind numbing, and open. And I think the thing about this is”

it's so brazen that it feels surreal. My wife, who's Salvadorian, she said, you know, like,

when Presidents and El Salvador leave, you all decide and find out there were $400 million

because they stole the money, right? And she's like, this guy's just doing it out in public. Like, he's not even leaving and being worth billions. He's just becoming worth billions. This is a grieges. And I think the next president has got to put people in jail. And we have to also make sure we put guardrails around this kind of crap in the future, because if somebody figured it out and figured out that they could get away with it,

you can guarantee it's going to happen again someday. I'm Berisma. I don't know how the supposedly, you know, straight news or more

reasonable members of the Fox and Wall Street Journal and Murdoch family can possibly book

themselves in the mirror. How does Brett Fair look himself in the mirror? I'd be a amount of coverage that was given to Berisma. The US government did not give anything to Berisma. Like, we did it. It's not like we had a contract with them for natural gas. A contract was on the board. He shouldn't have been. But there's nothing that we can do to prevent a Ukrainian company from hiring the vice president's crackheads on the board.

And it wasn't illegal. Yeah, nothing illegal. Did Hunter put these guys on the phone with Joe once or twice? It seems like it. But also who cares? Unless there was some actionable fallout from that, you know, there was no tangible corruption happening. I know it's the corruption of, you know, depo babies getting free money, but like, you know, more in 11. I've got tapping all over the place. He sold his paintings. Like, these guys are getting money from the

government to mind, tungsten and Kazakhstan. Yeah. Like, it is at a scale so far beyond what Hunter was doing that that you can't even measure it using, you know, using the Arabic numeral system that we're using. And it is in a totally different stratosphere. And like Fox News had daily coverage

“of the supposed Hunter Biden scandals. And it's, this doesn't even get attention. I think it was”

Dana, maybe it, maybe it was Bill Hammer or Martha McAllen. I don't know. It's one of the supposedly credible ones had Eric on. Eric Trump was on bragging about this, you know, forget oversight. He was on Fox talking about how great it was this new deal that the Trump family business has gotten that we're fucking paying for. And it is a total outrage. And it is an, and just absolute shame on everyone in the conservative media that there's not even a single peep about this.

They're going to write books someday about how rich people were able to get people that were struggling to pay their bills to giggle and willingly give them money and be proud of their wealth despite them struggling. And by the way, I also believe Tim, even stronger now in 10 years, it's not going to be a single American that ever admits they supported these people. Because when the scale of this corruption is exposed and it will be, you know, I'd love it to be now,

but it will be definitely when they're out. There won't be a single person to ever admit that they they bought into this. Yeah, I said that to Rich Larry this week because he wrote a column about how Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker are going full bull work. And like everybody's going full bull work eventually, baby. It just is only only question is how long the time horizon is.

“If you want to be large, Rich Larry and Mark Feson are the two that I just, I don't even want to”

start on them. They are. Oh, God. Yeah. Anyway, I'd love to listen. Yeah, I like these in there. Mark Feson write this, oh, my, who are the, like, this dude, the stuff that he puts in Ari Flicer and these people, the stuff they're posting on Twitter, just dropping to their knees in front of Donald Trump,

begging for his attention is just incredible and same with Rich Larry. Like, a rich doesn't

bother me as much as Mark Feson, but like guys, you know the truth, just take a deep breath, just say the truth. Maybe you agree with Trump also. So Rich about his more than Mark Feson. Yeah, guys, he's just such an a feat, little soy boy that pretends like we need big tough Trump. It's like, oh, Trump is so tough Rich. Oh, Trump is so tough. Like, really, he said this week that he felt like his life was in danger because Joe told me posted a seashell meme on Instagram.

Trump was worried that his life was in danger. Our alpha male president. They're so weak, man.

tough and we're in a victim culture. They are full victim and they sue everybody all the time now.

Let's just, I'm going to sue. I'm going to sue you. I'm going to use on your lawsuit. It's just

“like, dude. Oh, my God. That's what we used to claim the other side did and now we're like,”

full bore. I'm going to sue you. Okay. Great. Um, the, uh, I want to crack to myself. Um, it wasn't one of the credible facts credible quote unquote credible. Fox anchors. It was, uh, interviewing Eric Trump. It was Maria Barra, Tromo, uh, supporting the Donald Trump coup, uh, in 2020. That said, uh, Brett Bear and Mark Feson and Bill Hammer and Dana Preeno all work with our all work with Maria and they add on their network, Eric Trump giving a softball interview about

how he's taking our taxpayer money's money for his corrupt means. And so they're welcome to do another

story on it. They could talk about how they're concerned about the influence of the Trump family

and how if they're going to be fair and balanced and go after Hunter Biden. Maybe they should do some scrutiny of this. I might be something for Brett Bear to consider. I don't know. Um, are you, so you take it. I tell you just to get you on the record here. You don't think that Jim Komi was manacing Trump with the C cell name. It's like a picture put on Instagram. I mean, not God. What is he doing in the media in the in the rest of the sense? I'm wondering.

He posted the C shell picture. Yeah. So like this is an interesting picture. He's been reading Ronald Neiber, you know, hanging out with his grandkids. Are there been other threats happening, do you think other plots? I haven't seen any. Oh, and then Trump makes a decision to threaten

everybody and then, you know, Robert Mueller's dead. Good. If you put 8647 picture, that is a threat.

I just do it. It's 647. It's 647. Come in. Come and get me, bro. Do you get more on the side of this is humiliating for them? We should mock and laugh at them or this is extremely dangerous. And we need to be this. No, I'm at mock and laugh. Um, let me tell you. What guy do you think it's dangerous? But like the thing that we've seen this year is that the court system that holds pretty strong, right? So it's dangerous. But that that kind of the jury system is holding. But I also the thing that really

drives them nuts is when you mock them. And like I noticed and I like I do see the quit doing this on Twitter, but it's too fun where I'm like, you know, doing the snowflakes stuff. Like you guys

“are a bunch of victim snowflakes. That triggers them. And I think that's the best way to get to them.”

It's through mocking. It's through humiliation. Really you feel threatened. You're that weak. Because in their way behind bars. Yeah. And I honestly, I think the mocking is the best way to get out of them. I mean, that's what Trump does. So well, to be honest, we look, that's what that's how he came to power. Like use his weakness against him. Yeah, mocking. And then taking back power. And as you mentioned, having a very large section of the DOJ focused on public corruption

is as I think the path forward. All right. I did want to give you a chance to make fun of Phil Nicholson. Do you want to do that? Should we make fun of Phil Nicholson? So we talked about old Phil. Many podcasts ago when he decided to get evil and go in with the Saudis, whatever, Bizarro world, malevolent golf tour that was going to take on the PGA and Phil was wearing black everywhere. And he has very creepy skin now. And he was talking about how there, you know, he

doesn't care about bone saw man. And they are going to get there as the golfers deserve there. So that up turns out MBS isn't a reliable partner. Saudis are pulling the plug, live tours go about to go under. It's another Jeff Landry fuck up, by the way. We gave the live tour a tax incentive to do an event here. So thanks for sending my tax money on that Jeff Landry fucking loser. And now the PGA is saying, no, I don't know if we can invite everybody back.

This was the source that Tray Wingo had for Phil. The bridge has been burned, detonated, destroyed, Newton, laser to death. There's no building that bridge back. Phil's not going to be back here. PGA tour. That's so that's too bad for Phil. Good job, PGA. And, you know, look,

“I got into it. I don't remember exactly what we were talking about, but Phil and I had a back”

and forth on X about this and because he was getting all whiny. And he's rich, so he'll be fine. Like we don't have to worry about his family not having food, but this is the thing, man. It's like, I don't but grudge people necessarily that had no other option going to the live tour, but like the people that, you know, crapped on the PGA and it became all about like Maga. And this became a Maga thing too, weirdly. And the PGA was the woke lips. I mean, couldn't have a nicer

people. That's just nice to see the bad guys lose for once. You know, we didn't have to keep getting W's on the board for the good guys because that builds a lot of time. So it's a small thing

The last thing that's when I actually before the book, I had awesome on yesterday. I just wonder

in if there are any national demos that are impressing you right now. Is there anybody is your monitoring that you're out there saying there? I'm not feeling like who do you want for 2021? That's not that question. I just mean, on the face, is there anybody like they're doing

“things very well? That's tough, man. I think, in a way, I think I do like the trolling that”

Newsom is doing. So I guess if we're just going to say who's doing a good job versus like who do I think has a chance in 20A? I think that's tough in 20A. I do like the trolling he's doing because I think that gets under Trump's skin. Awesome is a good speaker. You know, he's very articulate. The thing I worry about with some of that is like, I think America wants extreme authenticity. And so does that come across as programmed or authentic? I don't know. But he just saying

some very impressive stuff. I mean, you've brought up a couple of times his, I can't think of now, but his lines that that have been like that team for us. Yeah. He's been just good on this. What he's been good on what what I'm impressed with is like there has to be what's what was come on time? We're not going back. We can't go back. Like the messaging cannot be the messaging from the Clinton Biden Harris era and it can't be a Obama hope and change stuff.

It's just we're in a different time. You can always only go forward, right? And the left

line of the party to their credit like have a coherent worldview and a message. Like it's a pretty similar. They have their own styles. But the way that the Zoran and Platinum and AOC talk is like kind of the, you know, you can tell they are of a piece. And no one is really offering like

“another new type of frame for things. And I think that the AOC is doing a nice job of like pairing”

kind of populist economic and anti-corruption messaging with, you know, some more, you know, kind of mainstream appeal to the middle of the country on other stuff. And Tau Riko is kind of doing that too. And the way I guess I should say. And, and that's just worth monitoring as well. I agree with you. And actually, because I heard your interview with us yesterday and I don't remember what it was. But there was something where I'm like, he's not taking the kind of

far left bait. He's kind of got a kind of a mainstream left, but he's passionate about it. I thought he did a good job. Yeah, Tau Riko's, it's just hard for me lately to get impressed by politicians. I'm kind of, you know, that's unfortunately where I'm at. That's actually healthy place to be. You know, I think you don't want to be joined occult. So anyway, the onsoft thing, because I asked about that. It's like, I don't think anybody left that interview thinking, I really know a lot

about China's off the human. You know, I bet just not him. He plays this guy's career coasters best. The messaging I think is really good. Is that going to work in this day and age? There's a good argument, the kind of like not, if you're thinking about it from presidential standpoint, there's a good argument, it's kind of like not really like, everything has changed so much that people want to know more, you know? It's not George W. Bush, 1988. Again, where you can kind of, you know,

do set piece speeches on the other hand. I don't know. Sometimes the pendulum swings wildly back. Yeah. You know what I mean? And maybe people are kind of like, I actually don't want these fucking politicians in my life anymore. Yeah. I think there are a couple of ways to look at it. All right.

“Let's talk about the kids book. It was, that's what heroes do. I do have to tease you about one thing.”

Well, there's one thing I really like about it. There's one thing I want to tease you about, which one do you want? Which one do you want? Okay. Which one do you want? Just get to tease and

do the teasing first. Because then I have more time to fight that. That's what heroes do is the

name of the book. And I open it and on page one is a picture of a person that looks a lot like like, I'm like, hmm, this is a little bit on the nose, you know? It is me, but it's not me, like being the hero. I take somebody on a journey of heroes. Okay. That's true. My son. I take my son like you're kind of saying that you're a hero. A little bit like it. And you are a hero to me. It's just better for me to say it than you. Yeah. And at the end of the book, my own

son doesn't choose me as his hero for school. He chooses somebody else. I should have had him choose me. You should have that. That's the one I like about it is, um, I just going back when I had the snapchat show on an F-Li-Pat, like the, the Gen Z, like if you are coming of age during Trump, the climate crisis and the mass shootings and all this, it's, there isn't a lot of heroes out there, right? And there's like a lot of negativity. And I think that if you ask, like if 22-year-old,

I should ask anybody really, like who, who's somebody that's been a hero lately in public life? The answers are kind of slim. Like it's hard to come up with good examples. I mean, it's

Heroes are not. And so I like the idea of of trying to reframe it and giving people some positive

“things to aspire to, you know, and that's what I like about it. I was careful. I wanted not be like”

that everything positive is heroic, right? Like, because that's stupid. But like, there are people that do heroic things every day and they don't get credit for it. One of the things that is in this story is a guy I know, actually, who is a black businessman in Chicago that basically created an organization called Tuskegee Next. And he goes into the, you know, the tough parts of Chicago and takes young black kids and teaches them to fly airplanes. And 60 of them have gone on to fly

for the airlines now. And this is one of those programs, by the way, that the right called DEI

and Woke. And what it really did was take, you know, young kids that never thought they could fly

an airplane. I mean, you think about it. Like, who thinks they can fly it when it was like, actually, it's pretty easy once you learn and now they're flying for United Airlines. And that to me is a heroic thing. So I wanted to expose that and just like putting other people before you

“is what's heroic, I think. Yeah, when it's the book out, one of the details, one to be made fifth,”

you can pre-order it now. And like, everybody did with Sarah's pre-order it because it's good for you to walk in the bookstores? Yeah, yep. It is. And it's actually like number one under America, on the Amazon right now. Okay, great. Go pre-order it. It's great. I'm going to do it right while I already have it. But I'm going to send it as a gift to somebody. I just, I do want to just admit that the teasing of the front was a slight bit of jealousy because my children's bookpitch was rejected,

kind of children's bookpitch. So it was just rejected. The book, the children's bookpitch was a controversy. The power is it be in big children's book looked at this. I don't know. No, I don't think stuff to try again. You're more famous now. I don't know. Somebody's blocking me up there. I don't know who it is. I don't know who's pulling the strings and big children's books. But there is a

conspiracy in our midst. And you got your big children's. They're always controlling. All right,

brother, anything else for me? And I think any other things on your chest, fun gossip. Keep the whole pop, listen. I just want to say real quick, like, there has been, you were talking about the pendulum thing. And I actually believe that the unseen pendulum that's going to swing is like a positivity. So I think whoever comes up in 28, that's kind of painting a vision for America, will catch fire. I believe that. We'll see. This is counter conventional wisdom. But I like that.

Yeah. You don't see it coming until it's come. And I just, I just have that sense. People,

“people are kind of tired of everything. You should just say it's almost pretty positive. Yeah,”

you know what I mean? Yeah. That's a very, you know, he's smiley and positive. And these smiles are back.

positivity and smiles. All right. That's not made out of kids. I appreciate you as always.

Go pre-order is kids book. Don't, don't avoid pre-ordering it out of solidarity with me in my jealousy. Okay. Just just order it. It's fine. I'll be okay. We want them on the list. We want kids to believe in heroes again. And we'll have you back on the pot. I don't know next month. Probably. Yeah. Sounds good, buddy. Thanks. All right, brother. We'll see you soon. Everybody else will be back here Monday with Bill Christall. Have a great weekend. See y'all then, peace.

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