Adam Kinzinger: Trump Is a Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey

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- It's Adam Kinsinger. - Hey buddy, what's up? - What's up?

- If we're gonna have a surrender.

If we're gonna celebrate Donald Trump, the cheesy eating surrender monkey, signing away the war that he's charted in France. Next to Emmanuel Macron, I can't think about anybody better

to have to discuss it than use. So thank you for joining us. - Yeah, thanks man. Thanks. When my brother and I used to play those green army men,

and then you had the gray army men, we used to play that game. And of course my brother's five years older so he'd always win.

“And I just, I remember once I was a kid,”

of course I was a kid, I'm playing green army men, but I remember I surrendered to him, and there was an old church song. It's like, I surrender all, you know that one. So I started singing that,

and my brother made fun of me. So anyway, there you go. - Okay, well, obviously I went with the, you know, alt rock suicide song, but sure, he'll song the word "shuff" I surrender,

we can look at what he wanted to. - That's, this guy's the JVL yesterday. We did, we were reading select excerpts of JD Vance's book together and his conversion to Christianity. Excuse me, his conversion to Catholicism.

It's hard to tell, kind of from the book, it looks to be a Catholic, he's trying to be everything. But it's right, and the book about his conversion to Catholicism, he talks about how the music is so much better

at evangelical churches. He's got to throw some bones to the evangelicals for the primary. - Yeah, and he said he was telling his priest to maybe go check out like the local Baptist

and evangelical church to hear how they do the music. And it's kind of like, bro, you just joined the club. Like you just joined us two minutes ago. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - If I can tell in the priest, what music to play?

- I mean, you can kind of have a vote on what you guys are having for pot-look lunch, but you're not a music yet. And I'm gonna tell you like, I don't know, I'm only gonna do a few Catholic services

as a Protestant, but I can't imagine a drum set up in front of the priest and maybe that happens, but when I was growing up in like the 90s, there was a move as the evangelicals were getting some steam, you know, what they would do at Catholic churches

as on Saturday night, they'd be like a teen mess.

And they're like, this is how he's always the teens.

This is how we're gonna be able to do the youth. And then you like a rock band doing Christian rock, and I just remember going to those things and being like, this is awful. Like this is like, you need less interest in it.

- And then you always have like the youth pastor that's like, bro, we're gonna bring pizza, we're hanging, we're gonna talk about stuff and it's always like some 25 year old that ends up getting caught up in the same way.

- He's a old Catholic kid,

“so the only thing I like about the Sunday morning church,”

you've taken them away, and now you've got this ear poisoned. - By the way, speaking of JD, I saw Jason Candor actually, he was the form secretary of state of the Missouri. He found JD Vance's towel.

So JD Vance now, when he's gonna go into talking points, right before he does it, he says, let me save this, or let me just go ahead and say something. And he said, every time he says that, there is the administration approved talking point.

I had tell you, it's too early for JD to be revealed in his towels if he wants to run for president. - I should check in with Jason Candor, that's a good idea. - All right, let's run through the elements of the surrender,

the 14 points in the MOU. We're gonna talk about how it's in Versailles. It really is, it's really something that's we're back in the Treaty of Versailles, too. Electric Buggalo, but we're gonna go through a couple of 'em

because I think actually reading them is pretty, pretty telling, speaking of tells. This was point one of the MOU. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war

are signing this MOU to declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination

It goes on.

“There's three mentions of Lebanon in the first point.”

The war wasn't even about Lebanon. And so I think that tells you a lot about who felt like they had the cards, so to speak, in the negotiation. - Completely, I mean, look and from Israel

it's almost perspective, and there's a lot to criticize Israel for, but from Israel's perspective, they have this requirement, honestly, that if they get attacked and they get attacked by Hezbollah from time to time,

that they have to respond. And somehow this was drug in and forced on Israel without Israel's approval of it. I mean, it is clear in, once you start reading that. - It's almost as if Donald Trump grabbed them by the pussy

because when you're a star, they let you do it. - Exactly. - Exactly. And by the way, the other thing is, even just noticing when they say there is now a permanent ceasefire,

and of course, we get into this later, but it's like then we're gonna negotiate everything else, but that term permanent is basically laying out there to say there is no intention to ever resume military operations. And again, a ceasefire typically is with the understanding

that hostilities can resume, and it's sort of, damn it, please, a tangy and over you that is compelling you to an answer.

This is already saying, no, we're never gonna fight again.

Don't worry about that. Now let's talk. - This was on the animal you, one of the crazy, I mean, Tom Trump said somebody insane things last 48 hours, but one of them was,

where he was just like, you know, we should just go let Jelani in Syria kind of deal with Hezbollah now. And part because BBs, it's kind of like bombing all these apartment buildings and it's like the second Hezbollah

and there's some time, and it's like Trump's basically saying that we should just go ahead and trust the Al-Qaeda leader running Syria to handle Hezbollah. Because, you know, we, he's more new now. - Yeah, he's a little more controllable, you know,

and it's showing a little bit more prudence than the Prime Minister of Israel, our ally in the war. I totally insane. - It isn't credible. By the way, I'll just say quickly too.

I'm one of the few people that US Congressmen that have actually been to the Hezbollah, the Lebanon side of the blue line. And one thing you realize is Hezbollah is extremely integrated there.

I mean, it's a real problem, but also Israel should fight this differently, but this is a, it's a real existential threat to Israel, and not that they should necessarily blow everything up there, not that they should invade, but they should at least have the ability to fight back

if they're attacked.

“That's the only way to prevent, you know,”

to push off frankly future attacks. - And it's totally a real threat. - And, well, I don't want to get sideline. Then down there is real tracking, and we can circle back to the end.

But I do think that I guess my short point about this is that that is why I getting in bed with Donald Trump and this war, and totally isolating all of your other allies was such a stupid strategic move, because they do have real security interests.

- Absolutely. - Then undermines their ability to execute them anyway. - Number two, the United States of America in the Islamic Republic of Iran undertake to respect each other's sovereignty.

I got that right, people. And territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other's internal affairs. Iran wasn't really interfering in our internal affairs. You know, maybe trying to do some cyber attacks here and there,

but we had a lot of involvement in their internal affairs covertly, a lot of things to say about their internal affairs.

And so, again, the first two points

are clearly things that Iran wanted in there. - Yeah, and if you take this to it's logical conclusion. So this doesn't mention cyber. Iran is very good at cyber attacks. They're getting better at it.

This doesn't mention cyber attack. In fact, as far as I know, there's no mention of that in the whole MOU, the cyber attacks, which is certainly, if I'm the United States and trying to get something out of it, that's one of the things, one of the conditions I would put on.

The other thing is it's not like we're going in and creating opposition to the Iranian regime. Many of the Iranians are actually more affectionate to the United States. We may have liais on with them.

“They also are very important for our CIA, right?”

For the ability to gain intelligence. And by the letter of this, and certainly if CIA can still do it's thing, but by the letter of this,

we have to basically cease all of those operations,

even to get intelligence on the Iranian regime in theory. - I remember when the Shah was going to fans of the former Shah was going to Republican events, we were like, we're bringing him back. - Yes, I do.

- I didn't see him like that, but okay, we're just going to skip ahead to point six. It's a pretty short document, actually. I'd recommend everybody just read the whole 14, it's pretty easy to read, but we only have an hour.

Point six, the United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive,

for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

At least 300 billion, not just for the reconstruction,

but for economic development. - Yep. - And that's like most of Iran's GDP. - Yeah. - It is.

- I'm pretty sure their GDP is like 300 billion. I'm Googling this right now. - Yeah, it is. - Yeah, so it's basically we're saying we're going to double your GDP for a year.

- And remember, literally 48 hours before this, JD Vance said the rumors of $300 billion were BS, that's information operation. Now we're not only finding it's $300 billion, that's the floor.

So they're basically saying in this, not up $2,300 billion in reconstruction, economic funds at least. So it could be a trillion dollars. And frankly, if Kushner gets in there

and he finds that we can put a Trump tower

“in multiple locations, I think you could see this thing”

rise above that level.

And this idea of making Iran great again.

Remember when people were Lindsey Graham was there. Yeah, he was married that hat. And it's like, yeah, I guess in a way he's following through on this is just the Iranian regime is in control in this process.

- Yeah, there's a lot of coast line there. - And by the way, we have to mention here the obvious thing. For years, for years and I was part of this, we were attacking the Obama administration for the quote unquote, "Powits of Cash."

That was released to Iran. And I still think it was the wrong move, but in comparison to this, holy cow, this is 300 times what Obama gave to Iran in order to seal that deal.

This is brutally the worst thing. We can get to the top lines of it after we get through this, but my goodness. - Yeah, more than three at a time because of what we get to in the future

and the other elements of the animal use. Number seven, point seven. The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran.

I don't know if you can actually do that. - Yeah, MOU, and I was drinking fun of Lindsey on the pot earlier this week, but he's like, the agreement has to come through Congress. - Yeah, you're already.

- And have to go through Congress with the agreement does. But the sanctions are those were passed by Congress inside in the law. So that is the one part of this. I don't know that Trump can actually just do.

- Yeah, what they can do because they've done this with Russia. Remember the Russia sanctions, they can wave them. - Yeah. - And so what he'll do is wave them.

He will probably get enough of his totes to get rid of it in Congress, but at least when you simply say, we're gonna wave these. We don't have intention of enforcing them. It'll be a law on paper, but nothing else.

“And that's what you're gonna end up seeing here.”

- Point nine, pending the final deal. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agreed to maintain the status quo. The Islamic Republic of Iran will maintain

the current status quo of its nuclear program. I skip point eight, there is a lot of discussion point eight about what we want them to do with their nuclear program at the 60 days. But that's more of an aspirational item.

So the M.U. itself says right there, point nine, Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program. So that's what we got out of the deal. - It's incredible.

And on top of that, when we were in Congress and this is where I can bring value is like here were the arguments we were making that I think at the time we're founded in legitimate concerns, which is,

okay, yes, they have restricted Iran's nuclear capacity. That's something that we all acknowledge, at least for the time being. What the Obama administration didn't do is restrict their ability to create ballistic missiles

“that can ultimately deliver these weapons.”

And that was from Donald Trump's perspective from the Republican perspective. That was a huge failure of the Obama administration.

Donald Trump yesterday said, basically,

Iran deserves to have ballistic missiles because other people do too. And again, we have taken a party that claimed in the past to be based on this idea of international values and security and stuff, and they have waived everything

because a guy that's 80 years old that just had a birthday party, like a 14 year old, got his yogurt. - That's where we're at. - 'Cause he's bored, toddler got bored.

- Birthday boy, big boy got bored. - Yeah, I want a new presence. - And he wanted, he wanted an M.U. on his birthday 'cause that would be the most special present he could ever get.

- And then he wanted to do it in Versailles. 'Cause there's so much gold. - Okay, the two more points in the M.U. we'll go through these quickly and then we'll come back the lines up a bit.

Number 10, the U.S. Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives and all associated services including banking transactions, entrances, transportation, etc.

Point 11, the U.S.A. undertakes to make fully available for use, the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Upon implementation of this M.U.

- Yeah, yep. - So all of the whole stuff where J.D.

“was going around talking about how they need to behave good”

and we'll give them carrots and if they do good behavior they get rewards. Now upon the implementation of this M.U.A. which happened last night at Versailles. Now they have fully available

their frozen or restricted funds.

So the 300 billion in at least

in rehabilitation of the country. The immediate availability of the frozen or restricted funds waivers on their sanctions, wavers the export of crude oil. I mean, this is an unbelievable bounty.

- Yeah, unbelievable. - For the Iranians. - Unbelievable, and right now, if by definition of all this we are treating Iran the same way Germany, France, Spain, the U.K. they are now basically welcome into the global economy

to do business at free will. And that's where we're at. And Europe can make a decision to try to restrict if they wanted. They won't, obviously, but they could, but they don't have the strength we do.

- Well, we had to be the kind of bad guys on this one with Europe, and Iran is right there. They are, and we're at threat. Again, going back to the beginning of this and how stupid this fucking war of choice was.

We didn't have any real security threats. I mean, Iran, at least the short-term at proxies in the region, there's certain things, but the American homeland in it is real, did. Europe does.

I think in reach Europe, I can reach simply with their ballistic muscles, like math. - Yep. - Right, for counter development. So, their calculus is different.

This is not like the Ukraine war, you know. - And in all of this, Tim, one of the biggest mistakes

that this administration made that they probably will never

realize because they're that dumb is, you know,

“I think I've talked about with you that dime model, right?”

Diplomatic information, military and economic. The military hammer, we actually used well in this. Now, what I would argue is, during the last 30 days of negotiations, as the straight has remained closed, we probably should have continued bombing.

There would have been really no downfall on that, that would have been a hammer, that would have compelled. So, the military aspect of that did what it was supposed to do. I mean, the military, they were given order, they achieved it. The problem is on the Diplomatic side, we alienated our allies.

We should have brought all of them to the fight if we were going to go to the fight. And I would argue that we weren't ready for this fight and we never should have undertaken it, but still, you should bring that.

You should isolate Iran further, economically. That no point should we have lifted sanctions or allowed them to sell any of their oil, while we were striking them. And, you know, what was it, informational?

I mean, the biggest problem in all this-- - Crush to the information. - That we got crushed. I mean, dude, I watched 10 times the Lego videos that Iran put out.

They were hilarious. And what did this White House do? Instead of putting on, I'm sorry to say this, but the information war is now fought by memes on the internet. That's no longer radio-free America,

as much as it's memes on the internet. But this administration, instead of putting out their own meme, the Iatola's gay or whatever it is, instead, they go after Democrats. They spend their whole time going after Democrats.

And then they wonder why they lose the information war and then blame Democrats for it. They made no effort to engage in it. And in the 21st century, information is just as powerful or more powerful than military strikes.

They walked into this blind. Donald Trump wanted to see things blow up. He got bored, scared, and gave away the store because he was desperate to get out of this. That's the reality of what happened here.

And America's far weaker, my four-year-old son is now much more likely to have to face a better armed, bigger threatening around because of what Donald Trump just did. And he's more likely to have to face him alone without allies like we have had

in every other war we thought. - I have to slightly quibble with you on the diplomatic and ally front. This is something from Hugh Hewitt, the post to the yesterday ally of the president's,

to one of president's big foreign policy hawks. And he thinks that the diplomatic failures were really Trump's faults, actually. It was our allies in Europe that let us down. NATO took a pass, Hugh Hewitt, right?

Because of Greenland, think on that a while and assess the character of our allies. - Jesus. - They have as much as anyone safe Israel to loose type of from a crazed regime with ballistic missiles and nukes.

“And they let the reality of Greenland's important part”

in North American defense and president Trump's style get in the way of showing up hard to see NATO the same way now as on 227. - Okay, so let's open the curtain here. And I want people to peek into the psyche

of Donald Trump supporters that are upset with him here. Okay, and Hugh Hewitt is a prime example.

They will never in Lindsey Graham, everybody else.

- Ben Shapiro is blaming JD Vance on Fox yesterday.

For God's sake.

“But here's what you do, 'cause I mean, I've been in this seat”

where it's like, okay, I'm opposing Donald Trump very publicly on this one thing. Now I need to hedge by finding something and I can be very supportive on with him so that he'll be upset at me on this,

but then I'm gonna come out and talk about how brilliant he is in this other thing. And this is what Hugh Hewitt's doing. I mean, Hugh Hewitt, if you put him on CIA truth Jews, which doesn't exist, by the way, sadly,

but let's pretend it does. If you put him on CIA truth Jews, he would tell you like, yeah, we probably shouldn't be threatening Greenland. Yes, all this stuff. But he knows that he can hit that

to kind of give Donald Trump the past on the ally friend. Let's be very clear about something.

You could be critical of the allies if, just like,

you know, and keep in mind also Donald Trump gave the state of the union two days prior to the beginning of this Iranian war and barely even discussed it. So not only did he prepare the American people for it,

he clearly didn't prepare the allies. You think of the painstaking effort that George H. W. Bush and his son took in preparing for the wars of the last decades. And they took months to bring the allies on board. It's like being in a bar fight, look,

you could be the biggest guy in the bar and your chances of getting in a fight are pretty high. If you're the biggest guy in the bar with 10 friends that are my size, nobody's going to fight you. Because they know that you're going to,

they have nothing to prove in there. You also got to get your friends on boards. I mean, you got to get your friends on boards back in the day

“where I didn't act through the last punch, you know?”

And so somebody's shit talking to me and it's more of a go to my drunk buddies and be like, "Hey, you want to kick his hands?" That's how you do it. OK, that's how you do it.

You don't start the fight. You don't throw the first punch against the victim. And then you get back into jump in. Yeah, and then it's back then to jump in or you're on the ground.

But that's the point. So the war starts and then he offends the allies. He says, "We don't need him." We don't need him. And we might invade you, by the way.

We might invade you too, who knows? We might invade you. We may fight NATO. And then, by the way, now we desperately need you. Get your ass over here.

You're not coming. You're not our friend. We hate you. We don't need you anyway. And if I'm the leader of the UK, I'm sitting there going,

dude, let's just let him figure this out. If he really needs us, come talk to us. But I'm not going to sit here and be his whipping boy because we're a respectable country. That's unreal.

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That's better.hlp.com/thebullwork. Speaking of better allies, we love the French, love the manual, Macron, love Brigitte Macron. They're good allies in the world's stage,

but we're going to just take a moment to be vulnerable. - We can do this, exactly. - It is pretty telling. I mean, it's pretty ironic and remarkable. The Donald Trump signs the surrender in France.

We call them cheesy things surrender monkeys for reason. And he's there, Marco Rubio, looking over his shoulder, as he is signing the document, the French leader next to him. He's like, Mr. Mola, Mr. Iotola sir.

I surrender to you. I don't know how to say I surrender in France. I should have googled that before we started the podcast. - You're sweet, surrender.

“- How did nobody that understands history or optics?”

Like, dude, stick with the doc you signed, because remember they electronically doc you signed

Don't, this isn't saying, I don't get it.

- Jim O'Rill. - Jim O'Rill. - Jim O'Rill says. - Jim O'Rill. - I surrender.

- The other bad optics of it is,

“you know, the first reading of Versailles didn't go well.”

- Didn't, a lot of differences. - I'm part of the reason why that didn't go well is because of just how tough the sanctions were on the losing party there. And obviously the economic fought in Germany

and we don't need to explain how World War II started. But it's still just, again, from an optical standpoint, and also Wilson had his 14 points. And it's all just a peril. The MLU is 14, Wilson has 14 points.

Henry Cavitt-Lodge. All right, we're doing junior year high school Western said here, you know, had the 14 was a call. It was the 14. - Oh, I did too many bonheets and college.

It was called the 14 something. - You know, the reservations. - Okay, all right.

- And Henry Cavitt-Lodge did great states.

I don't know about that. - I pretend like I knew that. - We don't have a lot of Henry Cavitt-Lodge. Did you do AP Western said? I think this was just a game.

- Yeah, all kinds of stuff. That one fell out on the-- - That pink ones on the iceberg, right? - Yeah, fair enough. - Every new pink one and other one pops off.

You know, down to him, don't think cares about any of that. Obviously, he isn't ready to eat books. - No. - But he doesn't know anything about the Treaty of Versailles. He literally said it.

He wants to go to Versailles because of the gold. - Yeah, to be like gold. - I mean, like he's 80, he's clearly been wrestling with his mortality kind of publicly, right? And if he wasn't president, I would have some compassion

for him if he wasn't bringing the country down. - I don't think that would be a good person. - You're still good at terms. - Yeah, I'm trying. - Yeah.

But I think he, I think he thinks in terms of, okay, how long am I going to be alive? Maybe in his mind, he understands it's not extremely long. And he doesn't care about the consequences past that.

He really doesn't. And unfortunately, he's surrounded by people, Tim, that have no desire to tell him the opposite of the truth or to say, "Hey, let's not do Versailles even though you want all the gold because of this reason."

Or Mr. President, we're gonna really have a hard time spending to the American people. And by the way, don't think Tim that there aren't senators out there trying. I checked Twitter this morning.

But we're gonna have our country in the American people. - Yeah. - And Eric, something from Missouri. - Schmidt, yeah, he's out there. - Eric, Schmidt is like literally a blind and soil nationalist.

“And I think you should be happy if we weren't involved”

at all over there. And just once white people in the country, so. - That's true. - Here's the big question, though. And this is something I wrestle with.

So let me ask you this question.

Because I've never understood this.

If you are a, like, as arrogant as Donald Trump is, you want to be seen as tough, what is the benefit in coming out of these things week? What is the benefit in alienating NATO? What is the benefit in dropping to your knees

in front of Russia? This is something that I haven't been able to put together in my own mind. Why a nationalist who wants to look tough would not be out there, you know,

leveraging NATO to take down Russia or stand up. - I can answer this. I got this question. - I want to know. - There are some critics among listeners friends

of my initial analysis of this war. And you know, like you don't really understand the ball the players, don't say I don't know. You're right, I don't. I can name like two cities in Iran.

I would have failed Tucker Carlson's Ted Cruz quiz on how many people have been around. And I was like, I know Trump, though. I know Trump. And Trump is a bully who's a bus.

And so, you know, and that, it's like as simple as that. He wants to seem tough. But he couldn't back it up. He doesn't have the, the gumption to back it up. He also believes very strongly.

He loves that book. I don't know. And did you ever read the book? Or did you just meet the author or explained it to him probably?

I remember this was an 80 self-help book. I think the power of positive thinking. - Yeah, I do. - I do. - This is Trump.

Trump is the power of positive. And he like believes that he can warp reality to as well. And so, he's a wimpi bully that didn't have the backbone to finish the fight. And he thinks that he can take this dog shit MOU

into the power of positive thinking and spin convinced people that it's good. - And I think that's what I thought. - Up to this point, he's done that. - And now granted the thing about X that I hate is,

you know, is the algorithm how that works, right? You reply to one tweet now inside and you're getting all the White House stuff. And so, I understand reality on this is skewed, but it appears that the right that just yesterday

thought this was a complete surrender document is now making their decision to come around and defend it. Kingrich put out something about how brilliant this is and how this gives us a chance to really.

But what they're doing though,

“and I think every listener should understand this is,”

they're bracketing it with, okay, this is perfect. Now he has 60 days to really drive and get what he needs to get and then he should resume the attacks if that doesn't work. And so that gives them the ability to kind of play both sides,

but I wanna be very clear about something. If Donald Trump actually ever resumed kinetic action because of what he doesn't get over the next 60 days,

than if I woke up with like three heads.

He's not gonna do it. He has no intention of doing it. Ron knows this and they're gonna drag him for everything he's worth and this is gonna end up being just some kind of unfinished war that just kind of fades

in the memory with the Ron and control the straight. - Exactly. And I would say right now, I would say 64 to you against the high degree, another degree.

“- I think this is it, I think this is it.”

Like while I would have Ron keep negotiating, Trump doesn't want to, Trump's gonna move on. He's gonna do cube or whatever. I don't now find some islands that he wants to take over or do a new project on the national mall,

a big Trump statue or something. He's gonna move on from this. - Let's talk about Marko. I can't move on for this. Once to have a political future.

Marko has mentioned earlier with standing over Trump's shoulder when he is signing the surrender. And so that's gonna make it pretty challenging for him, I think, to pitch that he was on the other side of this. I'm not sure that this is as much a political par

within the Republican Party as some of the commentators think. I do think that there's a Trump cult and increasingly Republican voters are kind of isolation that's done. But anyway, that's for another day.

His face told the story though, when Trump was doing the press conference, he's like joking about how if it goes poorly, it's JD's fault if it goes well, it's mine. And Latinx laughing, Marko looks like he saw a ghost.

- Yeah, yeah.

“- So, I think Marko's face told me that.”

- He's clearly not happy with this. Marko, let me say something complimentary to him. He is actually crazy. - He's crazy. - I believe we're like that.

I mean, it's like amazing how they face it.

They've got their own weather system. - I know, dude. I know. - Is that the compliment? - No, it wasn't it.

Actually, it's funny. I met with Marko for breakfast right after he dropped out of the presidential race over at the Senate dining room. And we had this planned fight back for the GOP in here he is. But anyway, he's a political survivor.

And I will tell you, he's been, I have to compliment his ability to, I couldn't do it morally, but his ability to kind of walk this line of being almost Trump's favorite. And Marko, Mike Wise was saying this.

You know, when it comes to things like Ukraine, it's good to have Marko there, compared to, you know, let's put Greenell in there, something like that. - Sure.

- But I don't, I don't know. - Real marginal, but okay. - Yeah, sure. I don't know if this is going to impact

or not, because here's the thing.

Once we make the decision, we being, if I'm a Republican sitting here thinking, once Republicans make the decision to accept this ironic agreement, it is now in their interest for this ironic agreement

“to be the best thing that was ever signed or negotiated.”

And so Marko is playing this position of, okay, let's say Iran somehow starts attacking Israel again. This thing falls apart in the agreement looks bad. He can point to those pictures where he's frowning. But otherwise, if what is probably going to happen,

which is the Republican party rallies around this is the best thing that's ever been thought of, you know, Iran probably does not initiate a war again or anything like this. This kind of fades into history.

There he is. He's made Donald Trump happy. He's there for the signing. And his soul is burning up. I think his soul is a hollow husk and filled with dust. But, you know, look, he's played this politically right,

as well as you can play something like this, I would say. Well, here's something that might be an issue for him is that we do have video tape. And I want to play for you, Marko's thoughts on the JCPOA on the Senate floor.

God, about a decade ago now. Iran will immediately use the money that it's receiving in sanctions relief to begin to build up its conventional capabilities. It will establish the most dominant military power

in the region outside of the United States. And it will raise the price of us operating in the region. They're going to build anti-access capabilities. Rockets capable of destroying aircraft carriers and ships. Continue to build these swift boats that are able to come on us,

these fast boats that are able to swarm our naval assets. And they'll make it harder and harder for US troops to be in the region. They'll also work with other terrorist groups in the region to target American servicemen and women. And they may or may not deny that they're involved,

but they will target us and raise the price of our presence in the Middle East until they hope to completely pull us out of that region. They'll also continue to build long range missiles. This is capable of reaching the United States.

Those are not affected by this deal. And they'll continue to build them as they've been doing. And then at some point in the near future, when the time is right, they will build a nuclear weapon. And they will do so because at that point,

they will know that they have become immune. I didn't know Swift boats were coming on us, though. That's a big threat. I mean, look, dude, this is-- that's perfect. I mean, that's a perfect video.

That literally describes this exact moment. I like times 100, by the way. Sometimes I've worked mentioning that that stuff didn't happen after the JCPLA, because Marco was exaggerating the amount of money and resources of what the sanctions regime looked

But at very aptly describes the deal, he just signs. - Completely, completely. And here's something that I've been trying to wrestle with a little bit. I remember maybe even just a month or two, three months ago, whatever, thinking about how quickly the Middle East

had changed from this aluminum Iranian threat,

what the Israel situation, to basically

Israel crushing all its enemies, Iran. I remember I was watching a TV show called Tehran. I think it's on Netflix or something. And it was this big Iranian regime, and these people within the regime, and it's like, boy, that regime was gone.

They've been crushed. And they basically were after the 12 day war. Iran's position in the Middle East was humiliation. And we have single-handedly resurrected them. Had Donald Trump after the 12 day war,

maybe allowed Israel to mow the grasses they say every now and again, maybe we even mow the grass every now and again, Iran would have been massively diminished.

“The only thing that Iran was able to do,”

and this is the point about why you don't go to war, unless you're ready to see it through. The only thing that Iran was able to do effectively,

they had some kinetic strikes that were right,

like credit words do, I guess, from a military perspective. But they were able to bear far more pain than we were. And why were they able to do that? Because Donald Trump from day one times signaled to the Iranian regime that he wanted out.

Day two, he's like, we've won this war. What is it? Day 20, he's like, open the straight, you crazy bastard. Day 25, he's threatening to destroy civilization. Day 26, he's begging for a ceasefire.

Day 29, I don't know if these days are actually right, but he's begging for a howl has to come in. And all he is doing is signaling to the Iranian regime. Like, all we have to do is wait this guy out. He immediately ruled out the use of ground troops.

Look, I'm not saying we should have used ground troops here, but I hate when politicians rule them out, because that is a sort of damn increase. You hold over the head of Iran. Maybe we will use ground troops.

Even if you have no intention of using it, he should go quiet and say, we're gonna strike until this thing is complete. We'll negotiate with Iran, but we're gonna keep going. Instead, he's out there hysterical in public

and Iran in their meetings wherever they have them. Caves are not, they're sitting around going. This dude is desperate, and we can outlast him. That's what happened here.

“- And I think the important part of that is to just kind of”

announce you is we are so much worse off in the region than the status quo. - Totally. - The regime was kind of collapsing already. I, you know, what would have happened, who knows, right?

But the regime was very weak before the start of it. And that was one of the cases that the hawks made for it. It was one of the cases that is real made for it. It thought there was an opportunity. And I think the degree to which

the credibility of America to use our power overseas is weakened by this. The degree to which Israel is now isolated after being in this moment where they're gaining air of allies and, you know, where they had the back of the U.S.

and we had demonstrated their power in the region. I feel like the Israel is in a way worse position, way more isolated facing now a foe that as Marco said in that video from 10 years ago is gonna be much more

militarily powerful, just a catastrophic fuck up.

- Catastrophic, and can I say this to my democratic friends because I've heard you debate on this show as you've discussed it? Guys, if any of you think that we should not be humiliating Trump for this, that's why you lose.

I'm sorry, right? Trump lives and feeds and breathes and his whole existence on this foe idea of strength. Loudness, tweeting in all caps, going to war,

“the truth is he is weak and that has to be called out.”

And I gotta tell you, no tweet from a U.S. Senator or a political operative is going to compel Donald Trump to re-enter a reckless war. But if you are not out there making it damn clear to the Republicans and to the American people

that this is foe strength, this dude is a coward, then you cannot expect to win as big as you should win and no one. - Seconds weird, like, oh, you gotta hand it to him as a good deal thing is better than just like,

no, it wasn't actually, it wasn't, and you can do both 'cause this is maybe where you and I might have some disagreement on the strategic path forward for Democrats, but I do think that's important to them to recapture the voters who are skeptical

of foreign excursions, excursions is Donald Trump like to say, and I think to say to them, like, these are stupid and they backfire and we should be investing in America more. I think you can do that while also being responsible

on a global stage, et cetera. And I think that the Democrats, you can walk into gum at the same time. - You can say that this was a really stupid military engagement.

and also he lost it and he's humiliated and he's weak.

- You can make both those arguments at the same time.

“- Yeah, what is it that you used to say about abortion?”

It should be rare, legal, safe labor, yeah. And I think Democrats can kind of play both sides here and be like, "War should be rare." And it should be overwhelmingly in our favor if we engage in it.

We're not gonna just start bombin' stuff 'cause we feel like it, but if we find it's in America's national interest to attack Iran, we're gonna do it and be victorious, but I gotta tell you, you don't have to worry about us

going into war for things that are out of our interest. I think you can play kind of both sides on that and actually mean it and actually exactly. - Trump did, by the way. Trump played both sides of this, successfully.

He convinced, and this gets a story game. He convinced both the Palestinian protesters and the Israel's, that he was on their side. So Democrats can play that game too. So this takes us to the game.

- I did a post yesterday on social media. I should be posting last, but I should too, man. - I should too. - I'm gonna be reviewing this on vacation at the end of July and talking to the therapist about it

and talking to my colleagues and see what I can do about my posting habits. But a little bit of posting's good, balance and all things. But I did a post about, I don't know who was more he was been more humiliated by Donald Trump

in his second term. The Dearborn for Trump people that were going after Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and protesting them, thinking that he was gonna be better for Gaza or the Israel Hawks for Trump, the Magga Hawks for Trump

who now are left holding the bag. And I got some feedback on that. And I decided to be a fun game to play with you, Adam Kinzinger, we can have a draft.

“Who has Trump screwed over the worst of his supporters?”

Which group is the most cut as then the most betrayed by Trump, who is he screwed over the worst? We'll do it draft style, open ended, you're the guests. I'll let you take the first pick in the draft. - I think the first people had been humiliated

the most and cocked the most are the fiscal hawks. - I'm guessing the administration. - Wasn't even on my draft board, I love that. - I think it's the fiscal hawks, man. Do what you want me to explain it to you?

- I just wanna say, okay, the fiscal hawks because I remember shutting down the government

are coming close to it over a $500 million discrepancy

in the federal budget once. I don't even remember what it was. - It came pretty close to the party day. - Yeah, and now we're spending a billion dollars on a ballroom.

We're painting a reflective pool that's algae ridden again so that we can have three days of post of how beautiful it is. We're building an effing arch for God's sakes. We're buying a new jet for every cabinet secretary.

I mean, it's absolutely incredible.

“So I think they've been, and I think they're sitting here”

pretending like this is still a fiscal conservative administration. - Now, the fiscal hawks, T-party crowd, the first draft peck and who's Trump screwed the worst. - Okay, well, I guess I've got to do it

then I assume you're gonna do it. I'll take the maga hawks. - Yeah, I'll take the maga hawks. I just, here is why, for me, they were riding so high. And they all knew better.

If you look at Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, this crowd, like they all marked decent.

They were all never, originally,

'cause they all knew who Trump was. John Potter yesterday went, was going back for the David Frenchini. He was like, "I knew this was a risk." And I was just like, "Oh, you knew the leopard

"was gonna eat your face and then you got into the cage "and who ate the maga hawks, did the snake poem." They knew who was the snake and they let him in. They were all against him, but they let him in anyway. And he gave them what they wanted for a year and a half.

You know, he was bombin' around, bombin' Venezuela. They were all bragging about how they made this bet. And now he has signed the most humiliating surrender since the Civil War and this country in France. - Yes. - And I think that the maga hawks

are gonna lose their party. And I think that they have been screwed the worst. That's my first pick, okay, round two, who do you want? - So, I'm worried this comes under maga hawks, but I'm gonna go with it anyway,

which is kind of the Israel Republican crowd. So, three years ago, four years ago, the A-PAC, and again, I'm not one of these A-PACs. - Mariam Adelson, well, yeah. - Mariam Adelson, Mariam Adelson.

- Like, you know, three, four years ago, the kind of the pro Israel crowd played both sides pretty well, you know, supportive Democrats. They supported, supported Republicans. They, in the last few years,

they've really gotten into bed with this idea of B-B and Trump. And they just got absolutely way-wayed right now. Just absolutely way-wayed.

They're kind of sitting there, home at a home at a right now, trying to figure out where to go from here.

“I think they got screwed probably as big as it is.”

- And it's up on top of that, by the way. They had a really good partner in Joe Biden. - They really did. - Israel Hawks had a really good partner in Joe Biden. They gave them like 85% of what they wanted

in the face of real legitimate at the times and harsh criticism from within his own coach. - Yeah. - And he used stall work with them. And Kamala Harris, you know, kind of,

wasn't really showing his card cards on that. Husband Doug M. Hoff, I think was obviously, potentially, somebody that could be worked with on these issues. He's been talking about anti-Semitism a lot since she lost. And so they had a partner there,

that was not 100% of what they wanted, but was a lot of the way there. And they decided instead to attack him. - Yes. - And smear him and throw all of their eggs in

with one of history's greatest conmets. - Yeah. - And now he's conned them. And it's kind of like, whoops. - Yep.

- Oops. - Kind of deserve to actually sit in it. - And you have alienated the Democrats who are gonna be in power soon. - Right.

- And by the way, sometimes, you know, like October 7th, terrible day, there's a lot of emotion, probably every Israeli wanted to nuke everybody, but you need somebody on the outside that's like,

all right, you know, hold on, hold back a little bit. You need a moderating force. We all need a moderating force in our life. And my Twitter, there you go. - That's what happened.

So now they have. - All right, that's your picture. - Okay, all right, you said that. - Okay, good. - Good choice.

Boy, I'm looking at my draft boards here. A lot of good ones. This one's at its funny. So I'm just gonna be brief on exit pretty depressing, but the Hispanic Trump voters,

- Yeah. - Oh yeah.

- You gotta go with as my second pack.

- A little shot just right there. - A little bit, I mean, since I'll find, yeah, it's horrifying, what's happening in their communities, and it was also predictable, but... - He said he was gonna do it.

- They told them they had signs. It said mass deportation now. There were signs. - It's still, it was clear. - Like not like there were signs.

- You could have seen signs, like there were literal placards signs. - Yeah, I know. - It wasn't a Jesus sign. It was like a real printed sign from Kinko's. - Third round.

- Okay, I'm gonna go with, this is one that's personal to me. - Great. - Is the man, the manosphere. - Oh yeah, they're on my board. - I've got to use the manosphere because...

- Yeah, the shoals. - Jojo, Jojo, Jojo, Jojo, Jojo. - Yeah, and I don't know if they've gotten there to come up, and yet fully, but it's coming.

“Here's the thing, like, so let's be critical of Democrats”

for a second or some on the left. I'm not even gonna say Democrats, which is, there was this period where we went through where everything masculine was called toxic. And so you created this environment

where young men felt like masculinity was evil and wrong. And men like us weren't out there defending and healthy masculinity, which to me, healthy masculinity is fighting for a cause, punching up, not down, defending your family, stuff like that.

It's a good thing. But in the absence of that definition, this toxic manosphere comes along, and it really is toxic masculinity, and it exploded. Well, so people began to believe it was all tweet caps,

be mean to people be loud, that's masculine. Make sure you lift weights, all that kind of stuff.

The truth is, the guy that they are seen

as this masculine hero who is a fat, sick man, who's a husk of a man now, president of the United States, who smells ridiculously terrible, who needs a UFC fight, he is collapsing in front of them. They're now waking up to it.

And I think the backlash, unfortunately, it's going to be too strong, but I think the backlash against the manosphere is going to be pretty intense.

“Also, what were the main issues that they cared about?”

The anti war. Yeah. Epstein? Epstein? Free speech.

Like the three main things that they were criticizing, well, either the Democrats are the unit party about, like right, was that not dealing with all this. Trump got us into a stupid war, did an Epstein cover up, and it's been a full assault

on free speech from this administration. So yeah, now those guys got totally cuckт and humiliated.

Okay, my third round pick, well, I've got,

how many more do you have? How many rounds can we... I can give you, I can give you two rounds. I got one dark horse, so I say, okay, okay, okay. I love two more.

I will pair then, and for my third round choice, I'll pair with the manosphere, the crypto bros. Oh, God. I was just googling this as we were as we're chatting. Year to date, Bitcoin is down 39%.

Ethereum was down 41%. Oh, yeah, I bet if we went and looked at Trump, coin, that'd be down about 98%. And so Trump is making ungodly sums of money. Uncryptel, like unimaginable generational wealth

and your average crypto investor.

and getting their ass handed to them this year,

thanks Donald Trump. All right, round four. So my wife is Salvadorian, by the way, and, you know, El Salvador is big on the crypto thing. And last, I'm going to El Salvador in a week or two,

but a year ago we went and I'm sitting next to this fat dude, sorry, overweight man, whatever you're supposed to say. And he started talking about how great El Salvador was, and I'm like, all right, what's going on here? And yep, huge Trump, or thankfully,

didn't recognize me, sold me on Bitcoin, and shortly after that is when it dropped 40%. Anyway, I don't wish him no ill. But, okay, here's my dark horse. So this is one, nobody's gonna think about,

“so that's why I wanna mention it, which is veteran advocacy groups.”

Okay, because we have allowed, you talked about this. I think it was you talked about, I only listened to two podcasts. So it was you or somebody else, but, (laughs)

(laughs) That's me. It's like, I don't, I don't remember who this one was, but like, maybe sites or something, but anyway, people were talking about how we have let

the Republicans basically own the flag,

and own patriotism. And I think some of that came on the veteran side of things too. And people have kind of seen the Republicans as pro-vatter, and I don't think Republicans are anti-vatter, but what we've seen under this administration

is criticism of VA disability. Now, that's with Graham Platner, I've also seen it on the total expenditure, and by the way, VA disability is not there for, if you can't walk or you can't move your shoulders,

it's granted based on any physical ailment you have on war, but this administration has looked at things like the VA to cut people, to cut things, to save money, while increasing their tax cuts for the wealthy.

“And I think pro-vatter and advocacy groups”

have been screwed by this administration. - Good pick. My fourth round pick is the farmers. - Yeah, the following on board, the economy and farm country is worse than anywhere else

in America, tariffs, we're destroying them on both sides.

Like so, they're destroying their markets, like demand is down, they don't have China to sell too. And then we had the war, and the increase in cost of fertilizer meant that their inputs are up.

So, it's harder to sell, and it's costing more to buy. That's tough for the farmers. The doge program cuts, we should make some. A lot of farmers supported school lunch as healthy school lunches.

USAID did work that where some of it was American food. And also did research into things such as the screw worm. You also cut from doge, the program that was looking into the screw worm. Now, that's getting into our cattle.

Farmers are just getting bent over left and right by this administration. And I'm hopeful that they'll come around. Welcome, let's not let my go. The farmer's owed for Democrats, there's a computer farm

Democrats out there, Josh Turek, Dan Osmore. This is why the Democrats, this is why the Democrats need room. You talked about this yesterday for social moderates to conservatives in their coalition. You can win over the farmers with that.

“Yeah, there's like that's what we can't get through.”

And I'm not putting my finger on the scale, because I'm kind of intrigued by the Kansas Center. It's Roger Marshall, I mentioned earlier, it's a clown. And it was on TV, like kind of doing like that. Yeah, Ron does deserve missiles.

I just like, oh, there's doing it ever. Oh, wow. And you've got a couple of candidates. Like one of them is like a pastor. And I'm just intrigued by that kind of model.

I agree with somebody in farm country that reflects farm country. And maybe has some socially conservative views, but it's going to be with the Democrats on economic issues for an issues democracy, et cetera.

And also the ketamine industry got screwed, because ketamine is a helpful therapeutic, but Elon Musk named it. So that's your favorite thing to tell me in the industry. Yeah, I'll go with the ketamine industry.

I can't, I was, I had steel workers and shop fans for my honorable mention. Spans of the shop. You win, you win. You had a better list.

The steel workers. Yeah, manufacturing jobs. Okay. Yeah. Well, we spent so much time on the draft

that the podcast is over. So it's a shot, I'm trying to pocket us. We deserve it. I had other things I had. We covered, I covered you crazy.

Likewise in an Apple Bomb, we can kind of move on on that. I guess the one thing I want to get your take on is, what you think you start to see now from Congress. I mean, like these guys have, the Republicans in Congress have been really,

on the one hand, totally embarrassed by Trump in every way. I mean, particularly in the Senate, there's still a lot of old school hawks that kind of have swallowed their pride at various times.

And I think are looking at this going, you're really going to stuff built, pull tee down my throat still. You're going to do this surrender and Iran. Like there's no consideration for what the Senate wants to put forward priority rise.

There's corn in, tell us, Cassidy,

So on the one hand, I don't know.

“I think we might see for the first time some real pushback.”

On the other hand, the ending of the war is really bad medium term. Short term probably helps for Republicans in Congress, because I think the worst case scenario was like a true energy crisis, obviously.

And so maybe Republicans in Congress kind of just do the same thing.

They've always done and kind of used that as a rationale

for coming back around. How do you kind of see that shaking out? Look, I think they're desperate to get out as town, and to go home. I think they're desperate to get this midterm over with.

They're desperate to get past their primaries for those that have 'em. I don't think you're gonna see a meaningful opposition to Trump grow. And here's the important thing for people to understand

because I lived it, and thankfully I decided to go a different route when I got out of Congress. But people ask me all the time, you know, why will Bill Cassidy now not speak out on everything? He occasionally puts out a tweet or something in his desk.

It's because, yes, you wanna get invited to the cocktail parties. Your political affiliation is now your tribe and getting kicked out of your tribe sucks. - You wanna go lobby again, or something you didn't do,

Kudos to you afterwards, and Kornan said that. Directly, he was like, he's like ex senators

to make a lot more of that.

- That's exactly right, and I made a conscious decision to keep speaking out, and that would cost me an ability. I didn't wanna lobby anyway, but yes, if you wanna lobby, you think about it, what is it based on? It's based on your ability to call somebody and access them.

And if you were a, if you were a, what is it, an un-un-un-un-chosen, or you're an unworthy, or you turn against the party, they're not gonna take your call.

“And then that affects your value, that's why.”

You can sit here and say, I did my best while I was in. And now my job, somebody else's job, my jobs to make money. There's an argument to be made on that. Tons of people leave, you know, the federal prosecutors

and go be defense lawyers. This revolving door happens everywhere, but it's kinda sad. - All right, lastly, any, your in-text this now, a lot of big races they have this year,

just kinda just wanna do a temp check with you. Well, that's kinda interesting. Wanna say our focus groups recently. So, and this is where sometimes, I think focus groups are very valuable for just like,

curing sentiment among people. Like, not as valuable among like, candidate stuff 'cause just like Mike did a group with it. And so, it was interesting. In this group, Gina, you know, Hosa,

who we had in Austin with us, running against Greg Abbott, like it was more popular than Tau Rico, which is among the swing or group. I don't know if there's that much to read in the about the time with the polls say.

But I don't know, so you get those two races, governor's race, Senate race, our guy Bobby Polito, anything else you're looking at, or your sense, for what's happening there? Yeah, in terms of taxes, I try to stay out of taxes,

politics like just personally because, you know, it's nice to live somewhere where you're not involved,

“but I think Tau Rico's got a real shot here.”

And I think we're gonna best know in September. I think that's a good time to take a poll. If Tau Rico's down, it's gonna be hard for him to come back. If he's up, it may be worth investing a little more money in. The reason I kind of wanna temper expectations in Texas

is because at the end of the day, everybody comes home. Because if you think about it, you can be one of these George H.W. Bush Republicans that are like, "I might vote for Tau Rico." And then the Republican Party

will spend millions of dollars talking about how Nancy Pelosi is gonna rise from, you know, from the ashes again, and you end up holding your nose. So I do think there's enough swing vote here. Bato came with in what a couple points at one point.

So it's doable. And I think there's a couple of races that the Republicans expected to win with the remap for the House that they're not going to. So I think it's gonna be a pretty big reflection

of what you see nationwide. - It's interesting. I'd like to see some more aggression going after Paxton. I know Tau Rico's June, but I'd like to see, there's a lot of material there to work with.

- There is. - So, hopefully that comes from fruition. I do think the one other counter thing in Texas is kind of relates to my draft question about the farm country.

And you know, this is a sense not something that's hard and fast, but it's gonna something to keep my eye on. It is the stupid award. If in any place where it didn't hurt the economy, it was Texas, I'm like the oil and gas companies are doing great.

- And I'm right by him, yeah. - Yeah, and in farm country, it's not as good, right? And so you kind of, I kind of look at that aisle in Nebraska, Kansas. If you're like gonna get a stretch seat,

it's like maybe a surprise comes from there, where things are going worse. Anyway, I don't know. So I'm demodder, we'll keep an eye on it.

Adam, kids are gonna always appreciate you, man.

Thanks for coming on. - Yeah, it was great being with you, man. - Who else was I gonna make fun of the French West? - Yeah, we love this. - It's awesome.

- I'm going to France. We love you, but you know, sometimes you tease with love. - Yeah, right? - You guys in France, you make fun of us. So come on, we're gonna burn in France.

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