Alex Wagner: ICE Is Still Killing People

Hello and welcome to the board podcast, I'm your host Tim Miller.

“Delighted welcome back to the show host of the podcast runaway country from crooked media.”

She also writes a sub-stack how the hell with Alex Wagner. It's not buddy Alex Wagner. Hey friend, it's great to see you. What's up? It's good to see you too. You're fresh, you're off of vacation. I read on your sub-stack.

Yeah. I'm dragging. I'm heading into vacation. In fact, it's fast. I'm even after you get that back.

Vacation is on the horizon for me. And you know, the Graham Platner Agnesis this week has been the thing that's about ready to send me over the edge. So I'm absolutely looking for you to carry me today. Let's start with Platner. What there's a ton of news, Trump is having doing insanity right now and you're up as we're talking.

Even more so than usual. I guess it's more public. It's like when you're crazy old, Uncle starts running around naked outside. You're like, oh, this is another level of interesting. Yeah.

That's what's happening. So we're going to get to that towards the end. And Casey literally does get naked when you don't want to miss that.

“We know you need to be left as a country.”

That would be the end of it. So do politics first. The latest in the Platner story is that he hasn't dropped yet. Literally everyone has called for him to drop out.

Including Bernie Sanders and Zauron. And other people kind of from his wing of the democratic party. Even as consultants are kind of starting to do the thing this morning. That was like, this was enough. You know, I kind of, looking around.

I didn't talk to you. Who is the guys that did this? You know, all we did is yeah. So everybody's trying to get out of it. And you know, by the time this publishes, who knows,

everything's going to change, I think there are some worries the Platner tries to get this out. And you know, kind of does a democratic Roy Moore. I hope that is not the case. What we do know is that they made him on putting the main democratic party in a really tough spot. And he's got to fight this coming Monday at 5 PM to drop out.

He chooses to do so. He's been trying to, well, let's actually just listen. This is the executive director of the main democratic party. And let me tell you, she deserves hazard pay for what she's dealing with right now. And she put up this video yesterday come sunrise in the state of affairs.

Hi, everyone. I wanted to provide you all an update on the US Senate race here in Maine. As you know, the main democratic party has been working around the clock. To develop a process to replace our US Senate nominee that is open, inclusive, transparent and fair. The integrity of this process is just as important as the outcome.

And we are committed to ensuring that Democrats across our state can have confidence in both. Unfortunately, Graham Platner's team has repeatedly reached out to us in an attempt to put their thumb on the scale of what this process looks like. We have also reiterated that Graham Platner must drop out of this race so that Democrats in Maine can focus on defeating Susan Collins this November. That's the Devin Murphy Anderson shout out to her. Much respect, much respect.

What do you make of all that?

I mean, first of all, I've been using the word hubris.

I've been using the word ego. These words are insufficient for the level of self involvement, selfishness, betrayal that we see from Graham. It would have been bad enough that he lied about the Nazi tattoo. It would have been bad enough that there was the infidelity that he kept lying to the supporters and the public about the next shoe to drop. The rape allegations which you talked about at length and I'm sure we'll continue to talk about are entirely credible.

It's the end of his campaign.

“The idea that he has any currency left to try and manipulate the process by which his replacement is chosen is I think the apex of like toxic masculinity.”

Who the fuck does he think he is? First of all, can I just say anything endorsed by Graham Platner is therefore tarnished by Graham Platner? Like why does he think it would be a good thing for me? I can endorse something if you want. It's a free country.

I don't know you. Like any any process that he's a part of. I mean, I just he doesn't seem to clock. The longer this goes on. His currency is already devalued considerably.

The longer this goes on, the more and more devalued it becomes and the more and more everybody wants to get the hell away from him. I would hope that today is the day that he exits the race. Time is of the essence. Everybody has twenty twenty four PTSD.

Like this needs to end so that as Dev says it can be an open transparent, inclusive and fair process and that there isn't sort of mutiny insurrection and bad vibes heading into a critical senate race.

Yeah, and this is the thing that's. I don't really get the charge here as you mentioned is right.

Like the options are I didn't do the rape and I'm going to do everything possible to defend my honor and to focus on defeating Susan Collins and I think a lot of people would be deeply skeptical of that.

That's one option on the table if like you didn't do it, but like if you did it or you did something close enough to it, you know, then it's like get the fuck out and stop telling people what to do.

Like we have PTSD about Biden and I do want to talk about kind of lessons from that. Like this is not that like the Biden thing was like this was a judgment call or you two old three presidents like he was fooling himself a little bit and thinking he could still be president his age.

“Like you know, I was like apoplectic at the top credit of that, but you can think to understand that this is not that like this is you need to leave the race because like you have credible accusations of rape.”

I think his behavior in the wake of these allegations almost serves to support the allegations because only someone who is completely delusional and a liar would continue if if this is true and he has an offered any evidence to it not being true.

He hasn't denied that he was sent an Instagram message by Jenny Rasko that said that sex was non-consensual never contact me again.

He's never he hasn't denied that he is clearly aware that something happened that night in 2021 because she made a point of talking trying to communicate with him about it. And only someone who knew this was in his rearview mirror would go out there and say in the wake of the first batch of allegations.

“There's nothing else to see here folks like you have to be kind of unhinged to know that you have these skeletons in your closet which are very likely to come out and full steam ahead with the campaign.”

Go on MS now and say you know you've seen like effectively all there there is to see here were good knowing that this was on the horizon. In fact, when he went on MS down with our friend Chris Hayes and I was on after that right after it was like Chris was really good in questioning him about this and it was like he's obviously now you got the Nazi tattoo that. Yeah, that's what I came on here and said the next day was like I'm watching that some like you're lying like you're lying about that. I said Chris I said dude nice nice work, but also I don't believe him right like it was just obvious at the time that he's lying about that and to me it was like a cat.

You know, like the thing I kept saying on this and made this is time to kind of revisit like things that were missed is as you know it's like he's not a Nazi and I still don't think he's a Nazi. I don't think the story of the Nazi tattoo is he got a fucking tattoo to be a tough badass guy and then like event I get some points realized that it was a token comp and then started making jokes about it everyone can make the judge it for themselves on how bad that is but like that's what happened. But instead of saying that and covering it up he was like I didn't know about this until whatever some reporter told me three months ago and I'm like no that's not true and and like that was obvious for a while and I do think there needs to be some reflection.

From people on the Democratic side of it like why you know these red flags weren't addressed and and there are certainly people some here at the board some elsewhere not me. Who would like these red flags are too red there should be you know accepting this and like shout out to them but like. What what what is your take on like what the reflections are on that well I will just say and I don't want to be a school tier but I mean I work with some wonderful men.

And we were kind of always not at logger heads but there was always a kind of.

A free song of not tension but like disagreement at the beginning of all this when the scandals first started coming to the fore because I I just remember saying like are we sure guys in you pointed this out. This is one of the most crucial Senate races in the country like are we sure people are ready to bet the farm on someone who clearly hasn't been vetted and like obviously has a lot of complications in his path. Like nobody knows anything about this guy because he was basically doorked by two Democratic operatives and picked from complete anonymity and chosen to be a Senate candidate.

This isn't someone who hasn't even proven record on anything other than being incredibly adept at speaking and being you know very convincing.

“I think in in spending his narrative about fighting for the working class and being a quote unquote warrior I think it raises.”

This is broad questions about masculinity and how we look at men and what we want out of our men as fighters and what we're willing to abide in the name of bad male behavior. I mean I was shocked that he didn't have to pay any sort of difference to the allegations of infidelity and more I think urgently.

What is over the line what is toxic masculinity and I don't want to sound like some liberal defeat.

But like this is the moment of like the patriarchy has been eroded we are at sea trying to figure out like what is the left response. So masculinity that has been co-opted by the right like we know what Trump's version of masculinity looks like and it looks like a lot like sexual assault and it looks a lot like kind of he man retrograde pre feminist garbage. But like what does it mean for the left how do you compete in the field of being a man's man without championing people who are allegedly sexual assaults and rapists I mean it's just there's got to be some difference and what is that difference.

And this one I should say you know not all women maybe many, many, many sniff this out and I can even just like looking at the bull workout to Katherine and Sarah no no like the most skeptical of him probably maybe I'm forgetting somebody so I think there's something to be said for that women know the type.

Have seen it this is not the first time that Democrats have had this reckoning by the way and had to think about this I mean this is the Clinton this is the 90s all over again kind of.

I wasn't born yet, so I really don't know. I am neither. Yeah, quamo and you go you keep going.

“The archetype of kind of a progressive guy that's toxic in responsible life is not when that people are unfamiliar with.”

It is a real thing and I think when I look back at like what did I miss about this or what did I wish I looked at differently is like. I do genuinely believe that the Democrats need more back with the classroom people like this is just a reality like you can't win elections in this country. But only appealing to people that like went to college and like strip were strivers like didn't make any mistakes in life. You know you don't want to wear the hair shirt too much for the Democrats because that's actually like 95% of Democratic politicians.

“For other class or people didn't do anything wrong didn't want anything on their permanent record you know and it's like okay that's great by the way, jkudos I honestly don't I maybe I've wasted a little sarcastic but I don't like mean it that way.”

That's just good for those folks and that's admirable but also like that's not the country, you know, Donald Trump's been elected twice right and so it's like okay where is that balance you know and I think that there's something to be said for we want to believe that people can be redeemed And then they can go through kind of a rough phase and like come out of that and like you know decide to be more responsible and like those stories do exist it's not like that's totally apocryphal and you know you kind of get torn between this like okay I see the red flags here but I also have this hope you know that like somebody who is really charming and is like connecting with voters and not just connect with men was like connecting with old ladies and men I saw the pictures of his rallies you know I mean like people are excited about it.

That is tough. Well, okay, first let's just issue a caveat just because you didn't get straight A's in school doesn't mean you're also a rapist.

Obviously, plenty of really good space between them do well in school who weren't ambitious who have nothing to do with sexual assault and actually are incredibly loving wonderful people so like let's just get that out of the way first.

“I think actually Graham Platner went to hotkis Graham Platner sells oysters to his mom's restaurant Graham Platner's father paid for his mortgage like the narrative that this guy is for assault of the earth oyster farmer is a little bit off base.”

He got kicked out of hotkis but I think and actually served in the military and we thought the country he made he was ready to make the ultimate sacrifice and those are things that should be rewarded but I do think that the biography is a little bit more. There's a touch of cavern all in his biography and he in fact according to some reporting I right yesterday was a supporter of justice cavern all when he was in his confirmation process which tracks right. There's the authentic kind of back of the classes as you're talking about and then there are the kind of like kids coming from sort of more privileged middle class who just don't have the interest or the.

But you know they're not meant for private schools or boarding schools even though he went to another. John Gams is good on this I talked to him about this like a week or two ago before all this happened that you know he just is a type. Exactly and I think women also understand that type too in particular men can understand it as well so I don't want to be genderized here but but yes I mean I agree there needs to be the democratic party. And it's reliance on educated up in middle class voters like black women of all classes like that's the democratic coalition right now it's like college educated people and like black women.

There has to be a way to get back to working class Americans that doesn't travel down the path of sexual assault or degrading women but do you know what I mean like.

And that's what was happening with flat is that that's why how people look looked past someone who's like twisting his girlfriends aren't in locking her in a room and then like voted for it because people are so desperate to get Susan Collins out which is a whole another aspect of all that's one is.

“One of the hard questions to the lot of democrats don't want to grapple with I like literally ask every politician comes on this podcast on version of this question is like.”

Listen to issue with working class people actually that they feel like democrats are out of touch with them on cultural issues and like you might feel like you're right on all the cultural issues and I'm not out here saying like you need to throw the gaze onto the bus but like.

You know I guess that really the issue right and so like it's the easy answers to say hey let's go find a guy who like puts on a working class costume and talks about the oligarchy.

And like we can like cheer that and say and that's easy right that's easy because it's like okay great that's just solving our problems and like the harder thing to grapple with is like okay well maybe we need to. Is to at least broaden out policy solutions we have or think about other ways to reach out to these people or I don't know or maybe it's like it's worth losing over these issues I you know what I mean like those are like much harder questions. Jimmy's of the right is finding these wedge issues and I mean literally it's like Donald Trump's just critical destroying the country but trans kids yeah right like they are being pierced in this yesterday on the podcast literally basically did that sentence but seriously.

But that's a castle it's works you know it's made people feel like I can abide these transgressions I can abide this betrayal but at least my son isn't going to turn into a daughter and I don't know how you do it.

“I think it's like a reorientation of the entire conversation back to really essential broad issues that affect people in their everyday lives vast majority of Americans are not dealing with.”

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Wow that's really awesome. It's a good one yeah I know so I've got a lot of bad traits so I'm just going to before I get to them and topple that myself. I also don't like get into cults like even my candidates when I worked for candidates I was always like the most skeptical of my own candidate of everyone on the campaign right underneath all that don't kind of a softy. And I want people to be excited. I feel like we've been so beaten down by Trump and just assessing like why was I more bullish on grand than I should have been.

Yeah, we've been so beaten down by the last ten years and it's like I want whatever you want to call it the democrats of our democracy movement the left to be like excited again and energized. And people were excited younger people were excited people my life were excited about it and I was kind of like okay like is that that bad. No of course not go look at a john awesome speech right and I'm like cynical and so I want that. People are excited about calm life like a week and I like calm life so I don't even I don't mean that as an insult but like there was like a week of excitement rat summer.

But like before that. If you're like a 22 year old democrat you kind of don't even remember what it's like to be excited about politics honestly like what if you're 22 years old how long ago was to the 2008 campaign.

It's important for the democrats to try to channel that without having the vessel be somebody I can.

I'm a channeling newness to I mean then be outside or dumb and that's the most potentially damaging after effect of all this is Democrats are like oh no more new people no more untested people and I still believe that that can be the truth outsideers people who haven't been in politics all their lives.

“We you know they just need to be better vetted perhaps and also.”

I don't think democrats are ready to try and crack the code on how to like fight mono a mono and on those masculine turf with trump like I think after 2024 everyone's like we need a white guy find us the white guy that's the answer and it was like it's grand planner it's probably looks more like john awesome than grand planner to be honest.

Yeah my other weakness on this is the final thing is like I hate them so much.

I don't have the green envy but I've got the red at the eyes like I hate them and sometimes hate can prevent you from you know even if it's righteous hatred. You know obviously we know that bad hatred can can char people souls but like even righteous hatred can can blind you you know. And and I felt that way about the by the thing like I was anti by running again for a while and then eventually I kind of broke down was like whatever fine we just had to beat him you know and like and democratic condits circles there's a lot of tearing down of like the old condits or don't don't understand the youth anymore but it's like I don't know is built crystal james carval and David axel rod that we're like no fucking he's too old.

“And that they never wavered you know it's too old never wavered and then I came back around and it was like you know and I think there's some of that here at Susan Collins like I fucking hate.”

And so it's like when you hate them so much you begin to start to justify things so I just think that's an important thing for everybody.

I think Susan Collins has earned her hatred. I remember reviewing her on the eve of the cabinet vote and she was waving way dist concerns about row view aid falling and she was the architect in many ways of the loss of federally protected access to basic reproductive health. So I still claim she's pro choice I still have people tweet it's tweeting about her yesterday why do you just support the moderate pro choice woman it's like it's our fault. And where's the cloak of independence and moderation it's so appalling and she's appalling and she has enabled his agenda in a way that is so.

Medacious and evil like and pretends to be someone that can think for herself it's a joke the idea that Susan Collins does not have the blood of like ice agents on her hands and doesn't have the degradation of. Our sort of moral fabric she owns that she has some hands on everything she was sure of the appropriations commit what it makes what makes it worse. And then everything they found it everything and this is by which I will stand by going back to the Nazi thing about plateners I was like okay you guys keep calling them in Nazi but it was like Susan Collins was the one that funded the fucking Gulag and Al Salvador like that remains true right and so I there's good reason to hate them but.

Okay you still have standards to that question of standards there's there's a thing what about is some people like to throw around yeah I just want to do a quick definition of what about us for people because what about is bad what about is when you say hey. What I did or what my candidate did is bad but it's actually not a big deal because what this other person did is is worse that's that's not a healthy way to function. What is not what about is to say what my side did is bad and we are trying to change it and have accountability for it but also should now we also be talking about what you guys are doing that is the same that is bad that you're trying to avoid accountability for on that point I want to talk about a guy named next Miller.

He's a house member in Ohio he's been critically accused of physical abuse domestic abuse by two former partners both were prominent Republicans so it's not like oh. Folks person Stephanie Grisham and Ohio senator Bernie marino's daughter. He said some really traumatizing things I'm not going to repeat he threw against the wall again all this allegedly he threw hot boiling water on her we have there's pictures of that.

“And he's got to wrap sheet also we violate restraining order assault disorder conduct, et cetera, he helped organize Trump's January six rally he's a sitting congressman from Ohio up for reelection important seat.”

We're going to say he should drop out that said that they should find a replacement candidate for this person. No. Of course not because they built the permission structure for aggressors to gain power and like Kevin McCarthy out there on Fox news saying ironically this week.

I guess we'll say that by the pussy it's such a gray area yeah he admitted to it on tape bragged about it actually didn't just a bit about it and and use that he should drop out and then and then he said no right so I'm not going to drop out and you're like I I captain and kept working for him and then went to become his chief of staff and you're like on fox being like Republicans take care of our what can I just say like it's not a coincidence it's not just that oh my god why why are there so many men who victimized women in positions of power.

“Especially in the Republican party why is that it's not that anybody would say this inside the GOP but there is a lust for command and control type personalities.”

Now these of men taking back the reins that I think this behavior like kind of establishes a certain worldview that is smile upon inside conservative circles I genuinely think that I don't think that they would publicly champion sexual assault or violence but I do think tacitly when you when you see this this narrative of men putting women in their place. It's not necessarily a thing that is seen as a negative I think quietly and tacitly inside certain conservative circles I really just don't. There's some people who would like for the to be that way or who would say that probably or whatever but like it's the vice signal element of it yes right it's like.

Don't want to have sex with drunk men. We like want to make money and the same rate as men we want fair wages we want maybe some time off after we've pushed babies out of.

We're going to be a little emotional itself you know we're going to get emotional you get mad at us men we didn't really deserve it you know you never deserve it.

“That's how we live according to the moon. You said it you said it not me you said it not me.”

Sarah Longwell is going to get really and sensed now she starts looking at my game of sagini game of sagini is real thing you know game and industry women are our natural allies. Even still we hit the game and sometimes can can dip into the misogyny why we need to do our sex podcast.

We're getting to that at the end Mitch McConnell is he alive.

And so this thing happens in politics we're like we were seeing this with the Iran world with the Trump administration. Will like everything will be for cocktail with the Iran negotiations and then they'll be okay we're to put Jared Kushner on a call with like 20 people and then and he's going to talk about actually how things are great. And then they're all going to tweet at the same time like siren you know like the Iranians are within retreat like we heard from the administration like so this is kind of how you get your message out one way to your message out.

Mitch McConnell seems to be doing that from his deathbed it's like it was so strange so it's Scott Jennings John Barroso John Thun all within like 10 minutes of each other said hey just got off the phone with Mitch McConnell we talked for 20 minutes.

He was very lucid and was asking a lot of questions we're discussing in depth what's happening in Iran and Ukraine and in the Senate map and it's like.

Okay well he's been in the hospital for three weeks we haven't seen him almost a month now.

“I think he's a live and it's like okay well could he get on the phone with somebody else like a reporter or like what why was it a zoom call.”

Why why did you all report this back at the same way we on the phone at the same time or I the whole thing is very strange. I think he is alive and I think he's alive obviously he's dead. Well I don't think he's actually weakened and burning they don't think they're actually like weakened and burning burning burning. I'm telling unless we see Mitch speaking lucidly live. I mean I'm so freaked out by AI that like I don't know what's possible.

These definitions of just got off a call with Mitch McConnell could be like Mitch McConnell staffers and the body of Mitch McConnell. So I'm saying that in the in the twilight was there as we discussed Iran. There's a sub plot where his wife Elaine shall like it's been in China during this time like having meetings and all this is for nothing. We just kind of went over the political power question and have sometimes that kind of complied your judgment and so some people will say well they're doing this to keep them in there because.

You don't want to replace when Kentucky is a democratic governor and this is all complicated but I even if I can talk you replaced him with a Democrat or Tom Massey or something it'd be like two months.

A vivid reply happened from one Republican former congresswoman she was on the streets of New York and got asked about this by our friends at TMZ and I'd like to play that for you.

“And I'd like to say shame on the Republican party for just basically saying silent while such a powerful Republican senator is basically laying in a hospital like a vegetable.”

And his wife flew to China and met with the vice president of China just days after he basically died and they brought him back with CPR and took him to the hospital.

But you know what it doesn't surprise me from the establishment because this is what this is what they support they support people holding on to power until they're practically dead or do die in office. Okay, they all got this is so tailor made for M.T.G. isn't that. It was got all. I mean, it's just the story Taylor made for Marjorie Taylor green. Yeah, some later this is a maybe a technical factor to you wrong but like the spirit of what she said that totally.

No, we don't know that he died and that he's a vegetable. We should really just because he could come roaring back. It's much fucking McConnell don't put anything past this guy right and of course like even in a vegetative state he's playing. He's playing some weird game of chess with the politics of all this. We'll keep an eye on it.

We'll do more on McConnell legacy. But keep an eye on it. We'll continue to entertain while conspirators. And tell someone to box up. Tell someone shows us his face.

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that's drinkag1.com/theborg. Okay. Other news, there's news in the world. I'm outside of politics. Let's get to that. So as mentioned earlier, Trump is still in Ankara.

Am I saying that or is it Ankara? Is it Ankara? Ankara. I feel like I heard someone else say Ankara and I got that man. It's not Ankara.

It's not, it's not in Alaska. That's Anchorage. It's Ankara. Ankara. Fuck.

You got a podcast is so hard. It's not. It's like. It's really not. Every word you've got to get pronounced right.

You don't have any of that problem on the road. TV is worse. You have an editor that can just cut out this whole thing. I think it won't. Let's keep it.

It's self-effacing. Yeah. The editor likes to hold on. It makes his podcast. Yeah.

Ankara. And there's press conference this morning. Much is discussed. I guess we'll start with a run. We started a very powerful, speaking of masculinity.

It's always powerful, strong, strikes against Iran.

Last evening, in response to Iran, shooting at some ships in the Strait of Hormuz. Still trying to control the Strait of Hormuz. We claimed we had 80 military targets. Iran says they responded to the drone of missile attacks.

Trump said that we're evoking the license. London to sell Iranian oil. So that was nice. We were able to get that cool. I had total oil for a couple of weeks.

And not anymore. So so good. And this morning, he said we may take over Car Island. It's threatening to do that again. Part of his report about the latest.

You said that the Islamic Republic of Japan shot 11 missiles. (laughs) It ends in A.N. just like Iran. That's what's happening. It's the Islamic Republic of Japan.

So he's just sharp in attack. But two good people. Steve Wikaf and Jared Kushner. They're on it.

The Iranians. Iranians are Kuku. You can't really say.

Yeah, he said he's been doing deals this whole life.

He's been doing deals this whole life. And these guys just don't seem like they want to do a deal. They're dishonorable. Can't trust them. Which just raised some questions for me.

“Which is why did you have a dramatic signing of the deal with them?”

At Versailles. Treaty Versailles, too. Electric Buggalo. Make a huge, huge scene about it. Has a manual Macron there.

Grisit Macron. Big press on it. It was a birthday celebration. You made this massive scene with this huge deal that you signed. That harking to back to a historic deal.

That didn't really turn out that great in the end. And like now, like two minutes later, you're like, I'm a deal man. And you can't trust these guys. It's like we just did the deal. It was a fucking docu sign.

It was nothing. It was papering over trying to paper over. Call in the markets and get oil below four dollars a gallon. And just praying that it would work. There was nothing in this thing.

They'd not resolve the fundamental issues. Setting aside even the nuclear program. Which he has like zero interest in actually dealing with. Just the straight itself. Like figuring out they like Iran has been given a golden goose.

And that golden goose is living in a barn on the Iatola's property. And the US is like, you will give us the goose. And they're like, yeah, no, don't think so. And they're like, okay, now you will give us the goose. And you will give us half of the goose's eggs.

And they're like, no, I actually fuck off.

Like that's basically what's happened.

They own the waterway now. They're going to continue to extract price prices for any ship going through it. The US has no leverage here because Trump is in a bind. This is a disaster of epic portions. And of course, oil prices have gone higher than ever.

The more interesting thing that may come out of it

“is I think of reorientation of the US's real relationship.”

Like that's like that that's like overdue. And the conversation around that is overdue. And maybe that's like, I don't know. That's the one thing that I think is I who knows where it's going. But that's the one interesting thing about all of this.

But beyond that, what if colossal goat rodeo this is? Yeah. Well, prices are back up. We're not back up over the landman line yet. That's what I keep watching. Yeah, but Billy Bump Thornton.

We on my show interviewed a gas station owner a couple. First of all, you two people have interest. If anybody hasn't listened to runaway country, they should. It's an amazing podcast.

It's great. We're going to get to one of the other episodes. I'm so happy. Okay. I'll just be really quick on this.

Then if we have promo later. But number one, we talked to a gas station owner. And like it is not like there is an established kind of baseline. Really, four gas station owners to price the gallons to put the number, the big ass numbers in like 38,000 font on the sign.

Like they have some discretion. And they're using their best gas based on, of course, the what it is per barrel.

“But also what other gas stations in there are doing.”

And possibly where they think it's all going. Gas prices are low because the oil industry is like, okay, we think this thing is coming to an end. Gas station owners are pricing at lower. But it's not because there's more oil flowing through the pipeline.

That that stuff is all on delay. Like gas prices are going to remain elevated. And now they're going to go back up. The lowering of gas prices is kind of like, an immediate response to a belief that the situation is calming.

And the minute that that is no longer the case, which is now those prices are going to continue to go up. And they're going to remain so for months. We've devastated the supply lines and the reserves and the storage facilities. Anyway, whatever.

No, that's true. That's all good. Thank you for doing that little side part. So it's important. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of where we are. The Pentagon is also running out of money. We're never one on this tomorrow show.

But like, you know, we're spending a ton of fuel taxpayers money on this for nothing. We have no gold. The gold now is trying to get back to the baseline status quo. And like that's not even going to happen. That's kind of where we are and they're escalating.

Plains to escalate to question mark at this point. So it's a state of affairs with that. He also is really mad at Spain. I want to read this quote to you. We don't play his voice on the podcast.

I fucked up last week. Since he won again, I've had a strong policy of never playing strong.

Strong, powerful policy of never playing his voice on the podcast.

And like, I don't know, I was multitasking. And like, I just was like, throw that in and post. And I had a couple of complaints. Like you made me hear his voice. But what's in there?

So my apologies. Anyway, I will read it. Spain is a waste of cars. We don't want to do any trade business with Spain anymore. By the way, I'd like to cut it off.

Spain is a terrible partner in NATO. Cut off all trade with Spain, including visits. They don't want to do anything to do. They're hopeless. That's Trump.

If you liked pan con tomat, you better get it. I love pan con tomat. And I love a moan. And Spain is definitely my sleeper favorite food. Like, is it my actual number one favorite food?

I don't know. But like, that is my sleeper favorite. I'm a homo and monster. My vacation is not a hom monster. My vacation is not a good Spain, which is devastating.

And now, I'm wondering if I need to do a quick side bar to go hoard Spanish geared meats.

Bring an extra suitcase and stuff it with Eberico because buddy.

“The only thing is someone should tell Trump this.”

The EU doesn't negotiate trade agreements by country. It's as a union. That's why it's called the European Union. It's like Europe doesn't negotiate with Kentucky and negotiate with the United States. So that's a kinkin' his plan to cut off and trade with the hopeless Spanish.

The visas could be a problem. No, one of my besties is from Spain. Oh, I'm sure. I hope a boil on a boil can come visit us this winter. I believe that they will be able to.

Because as we know, Trump's tantrums usually last a couple months. And then they're over. I just want to say one thing, which is the whole NATO trip. Nobody should be. I mean, yes, I guess we're gonna sell fighter jets, maybe to Turkey.

And that's meaningful.

But this is all just alike.

The baby is mad because his rattle broke and everybody saw it break on the floor. And now he wants someone to blame. And he's gonna blame the Spaniards for not helping him in Iran. And he's gonna blame the British and the French. And this is all just an angry baby throwing a fit in Ankara so that he can,

I don't know, seek some solace in his rage and find some resolution in his rage. Seems like you pronounced it differently that time. Do I say Ankara? I don't think you've pronounced it differently. You fucked me up.

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We need to pivot to the thing that I'm the most pissed about which is the ice stuff. And I feel like it's come out of focus. And part of the reason why it's come out of focus is, you know, this move from now on to Mark Wayne Mullen. You know, create kind of a moment of like, well, let's wait and see how it turns out.

“I think that all of us obviously did not expect things to be better.”

But I think kind of an immediate standpoint. It's like, okay, we'll continue to report on all of us. But, you know, let's see if there's a change in policies. There's not been a change in policies. I want to get to the podcast.

I referenced earlier that you did on runaway country. Most of Shepard and Caitlin Dekers. So we talked about ice detention facilities a couple weeks ago. You didn't lose your eye on, you didn't get your eye on off the ball on it. But just a couple of things.

New York Times from last week federal immigration officials detained more than 10,000 people in the last five days. This was at the end of June. A major surge that's done from a push within ice to increase or rest rates. Some things haven't been that surge. This is now back in March.

But Bill Crystal wrote about this this morning. And it got me really hot and angry. So I'm going to read a bit from the morning newsletter. And then we'll chat about the set of play. Mohamed Pocktowell yesterday morning and B.C. reported on his death in ice custody.

He's 41. He fought for a decade alongside US special forces in Afghanistan. He was evacuated. We pulled out in 2021. He entered the US legally.

He became a truck driver. Worked in a market in a bakery. He had requested a silent remain here. That claim was pending when I seized him for deportation at his home. In Richardson, Texas and March.

While he's getting his children ready for school. Pocktowell died the next day in ice custody. His death certificate says he died from an adverse drug reaction to an unidentified substance. We do know from his wife that he relied on an inhaler from asthma. And the ice agents rejected her attempt to give the inhaler to them.

When he was taken into custody. As Bill Crystal writes, he's not a criminal. He's not here illegally. He's a threat to no one. He died at the hands of ice like he died because of ice.

So a couple of other examples I want to talk about. Just to say like he was here because he helped us. Right. Like he literally sacrificed his safety, the safety of his family. To help further the in theory, the principles of democracy and the values of the United States in his homeland.

Yeah.

And this is the thing it takes you back to the blinding rage.

You know, it's like there's no purpose of all this. And this is like here's our argument this yesterday. And it's like, you know, he just kind of make the case. Like, oh, what's good thing the border secure? Like the Biden border got out of control. But it's like what we're doing in this administration is that is so different from what was happening at the border during the Obama administration.

Funny things to criticize about that. This is insane. We are taking people like this man. This man of particular, like you said, helped our soldiers put himself in harm's life for America. And we still detained him and put him into a shithole prison where he died. Um, for absolutely no reason, except for wanting to meet fucking Nazi Steven Miller's quotas.

But we're doing this with the Haitians.

We're doing this the Venezuelans. We sent to El Salvador. A lot of people came here legally. I, or through a legal process. We had temporary protected status. Yeah, legal pathway.

Right? Like, I'm not to say that you can treat humans like this just if they had stuck across the Rio Grande. But like, we are treating humans like this that didn't do that. We're trying to go through the right process or the right pathway. And they're still being, you know, Menest and detained by jackfruit at thugs and some of them were dying. And so anyway, you talked about the situation in these prisons with most of the shepherd.

I want you to just talk a little bit about that. She's a lawyer for some of the detainees.

“And I think, as far as we have seen Americans being murdered in the streets.”

And I think that's taken our eye off the ball. But there are 2,000 people being stolen and disappeared every day in this country. Because even Miller wants a, you know, ice agents to meet a 3000 deportations a day quota. And once these detainees are taken into custody, the conditions that they are forced into are subhuman. They are not given clean water.

They are not given enough food. They are separated from their children. They're hundreds of thousands of families that have been broken apart. Because of this, there are children in detention. They are not allowing any oversight.

You see what happens when Congress people try and get into these ice detention centers. These ice prisons. And in many cases, you're grabbing people off the street and people are on medication. They need basic, they need their inhalers. And in the case of this, the Afghans soldier that you're talking about, his wife tried to give the ice agents

His inhaler and said he needs this and they wouldn't take it. And that, when you talk about the 50 deaths in ice custody this year, which is in a skyrocketingly high number,

“it's, I think, and now we don't have the information on all of this.”

It's because people don't have access to their basic medicine. And or they have Melissa, the lawyer that we spoke to said they'll have normal sort of routine issues,

whether it's a cut or a hangmail or something that then escalates to a critical level critical,

because they're not given access to doctors or nurses or just basic medical care. And then it becomes really life threatening and they have to be rushed to the hospital and often it's too late. That's outside of the people who are committing suicide in these jails because the situation is so grim. I mean, there's no sunlight on what's happening here. And now I say, we're not going to really report on the number of deaths because they know it's a flashpoint for public interest.

But what is happening on the streets is bad enough. What is happening sort of just by definition is bad to steal people and disappear them, who've been living here for decades and who've been contributing to an American society and the foundation of our American economy. That's bad enough. But what's happening to them inside the detention centers in our name is utterly an American and totally unconstitutional.

And the Trump administration would much rather we not talk about that and certainly doesn't want anybody to see what's happening. And totally unnecessary is the other thing. There's no reason for anybody to be in detention that's not a criminal or that's not a threat to the community. But it's like, okay, even if you argue and deport these people and I'm going to have differences of opinion with Republicans on who merits deportation. You can wait for the process, you know, to go through and then once they have in order for removal can give them an opportunity to appear or to remove themselves or you can go to their home and remove that much.

Again, not something that is pretty or that I would necessarily like but like that is a that is a process that you could go through that would be defensible like putting people that. I tried to come to the process through the asylum legally into some hole of some human prison and making them stay there for months on end.

“It's like insane. What's part of the strategy? I mean, and lawyers, I think, recognize that too is to make it so deplorable that people just give up.”

Whether they kill themselves or they say, I'm not self deportation, right? It's a form of making it so bad that they can't abide it anymore and they feel like the alternative of going back to a homeland that's dangerous or that there's no longer really a place. So it's kind of like the Soviet Siberia strategy that we're doing. That's our actual policy and can I just say like 2,000 people a day is a lot.

They're seizing them off the street, they're seizing them at traffic stops and there's been another death, you know, you talked about the death yesterday that was reported.

Yeah, here's that one just really quick. Ice agent shot and killed Lorenzo or Auro. DHS is saying that he was using his vehicles a weapon during the stop or traffic stop. We've heard that one before. They provided no actual evidence with that in a video evidence. He was in the car like family members as brother seems kind of strange thing to do to try to do a suicide attack on ice agents while you're in the car with your family Lorenzo lived in America for 35 years working construction here. Trying to help support his family. I got shot nice agents yesterday killed.

“And was in the process of trying to get legal residency like was in the pipeline, I believe.”

Yeah, that's right. This is because this administration it believes and maybe rightly that they can act with impunity when it comes to people of color.

Like this is in addition to like the Haitians and the Burmese and the Venezuelans and the Hondurans who were all here legally under temporary protected status. This is the Supreme Court just gave the Greenlight to the Trump administration to revoke that status and it is going to create both the crisis here like we depend on Haitian home health care workers and across the health care industry and at home like Haiti can absorb all these newly like deported Haitian refugees. There's no thought towards the consequence of these people because in the eyes of this administration and I think in the eyes of some of the American public they don't matter. I mean how were these deportations happening people are getting seized on the street still at traffic stops they're getting murdered in the process and like where are we.

Well, it's actually kind of important it's an important part of the J.D. Vance vice president's conversion story to Catholicism. I was talking with Laura Ingro about this I mean we have to let people die in a nice detention, we have to let Catholic immigrants get shot by ICE agents we've got to like send people into subhuman detention centers and we've got to port them back to hellholes where they're probably not going to be able to survive because like of the Catholic doctrine that like working white Americans need to have like the dignity of a country.

The dignity of a paycheck and if their paycheck is like it all diminished by the fact that there's an immigrant in their community like that's kind of uncalflect actually. So it's an interesting Catholic teaching I went to Catholic school for 13 years don't recall that.

“I was really happy. I also don't remember that part of like the persecution and the dehumanization of the poor and the brown and the undocumented being part of Jesus' teachings but I mean ICE I maybe missed Sunday school that day.”

We're going to have to wait. I may maybe it was ancient school as brothers of priest and D.C. may well to ask him for a briefing. And sometimes it clouds my judgment like this is why we're faking killing people that we're serving alongside our soldiers of Afghanistan for no reason at all. So it is in raging So we'll just do a dip breath. Should we do a just a little rage? We put the ceiling of rage and we need to come back down off the ceiling. Okay, we're gonna do some who's I e-breaths. All right

You got a yoga. Is that a thing for me? Oh, yeah, no yoga was an important part of my personal journey after Trump won the first time

“This rage I've been talking about on this podcast is what I think mostly not entirely a mostly healthy rage at the injustices of the administration and what we're doing to people at the beginning of Trump won”

I had kind of a consuming personal rage that was unhealthy. It was unhealthy, but it was like mostly about how like these people that I knew personally And who were horrible people and had made horrible judgments like we're now like getting rewarded. It's like it stops, you know, this kind of thing you have to learn is a child like life isn't fair good things happened about people like that kind of thing wasn't I go I wasn't like a jealousy like I didn't want to be in there, but I was like kind of mad that they weren't happy

And that's not healthy or good and so yeah cancer so I went to yoga was important part of the recovery from that so yeah talk about I'm an avid bull work listener and I feel like I did not know Maybe you weren't avid then it was before I took over the podcast like you know so I've done less yoga this is this was like 21 books around forever time flies But yeah, this was probably 20 1920 I can't back in the third for the OGs. This was back in like the Thursday night bowl work era. Okay, that's like maybe I didn't have a computer then so yeah, this was OG time, but yeah, no, there's there's a lady's yoga collective in Oakland. It's not around anymore.

This is very on brand me do you have stands and so I didn't ever get that good. No, but I'm pretty no Egi breath so that's a pretty good, but yeah, I never I don't I'm like my boss. Anyway, we'll talk about my lanky limbs and my lack of power. I've got I'm going to weakness.

So we want to do my final three topics for us are Taylor's wedding. The flyover at the fourth of July and the potential sex podcast.

“Okay, which one are you not? The flyover I just I'm going to admit I. Okay, what does do a really quick because maybe you're not fired up up about it because you don't really know exactly what happens. I saw the headlines.”

Here we go. A dispute among captive officials broke out over who could ride in fighter jets flying over DC on July 4th that is viewed escalated to President Trump himself who gave the go ahead only to acting attorney general Todd Blanch. Over objections from transportation secretary Sean Duffy. Everyone is 12 girls you're all pretty and they all wanted to let neck not like they all wanted to be on the fly in the pretty jets over the mall and and there were some safety concerns expressed by Sean Duffy unclear whether he's being responsible or was jealous.

You're a transportation secretary the jets are his purview god dammit Todd Todd got to fly you go into the oval office Mr. Presidents are someone the transportation department said that I can't go on a joyride in the plane. All dad daddy well you call the principal. Sean saying I can't take a ride in the plane what Todd. Well you call the principal. Other kids are being mean to me on the playground. This is it this is the internal dynamics of the white house.

“Thank you a group of selfish p-vish 12 year olds. I think we have a disagreement on the next topic, but I would I love your passion about it an entire newsletter about the Taylor Swift wedding.”

You're a Paul's. Here was my opinion on the Taylor Swift wedding. Please don't talk to me about the Taylor Swift wedding.

I was on my vacation and it was like I was getting news alerts about you know Paul Rudd arriving in this SUV. I had friends sending me things I was I tried to avoid I don't I know very little about it. I'd learn the Taylor and Travis both gave 20 minute vows which is which feels long. I guess I wasn't taken on it was that like getting married in a princess wedding in Madison Square garden. I kind of feels like what the daughter of like the biggest car dealer in North Jersey would do for their wedding.

Also, whatever makes you happy you can tap. So you had a more harsh day. I just felt like it was so late stage imperial decline like the idea that you're having a. A wedding at Madison Square garden when when and like it's 22,000 seats in there. They cover the whole thing and pink chiffon and then in convenience the NYPD involved the mayor. It's the fourth of July weekend when everyone's trying to get out of town Madison Square guards dead in the center of town between 7th and 8th avenues. That's monstrously egotistic all but then that they're inviting a thousand of their very closest friends including like Wayne Gretzky and Steven Spielberg. I mean, I'm sure they've had passing interactions with these people but the TV show Graham Norton was like, why are you inviting me?

I don't know, we're not George Steffen, I'll pull us for a second. Yes, exactly. I mean, Michael Strahan and Emily Floyd ball. It's fucking insane, but whatever, guest list, but it's really the icing on the cake for me was inside the event as all these SUVs arrive in the celebrities going inside. They have raffles for Cartier watches, jewelry and handbags and cars. And it's like, man, this is such excess. And I get it. You're like an incredible musician and you've made a lot of money and hats off to you, but what a senseless.

Just utterly degraded way of spending that money at a moment when everybody, it's like, Marie Antoinette, it's like, I have my petite triunle at Madison Square Garden and I'll live there with my decadence and you all can eat cake. I know they gave 26 million dollars to charity, but it seems so out of sync. I mean, to me, it's like it exemplifies American decline that we lost after these celebrities that could give a fuck about the reality that is being lived by most people in this country

“and just have amassed these incalculable sums of wealth. And literally don't even know what to spend it on. Do you think Brad Pitt needs a of Cartier watch?”

He's a fucking like Omega spokesperson. Like, this is just, it's insane. It's so excessive and wasteful and insane and it really bothered me and it was, you know,

twin with trumps outrageous forth of July, circle jerk, basically on the mall. And like this is the news that was coming across my trans someone I was on vacation overseas.

I want you to monitor my Twitter feed on on vacation. If you see a retweet, you'll know I did bad. I don't know. I'll have to come up with an email for you to contact.

I want to, we'll have a agreement in part in a dissent. The agreement I want to offer is the guest list was preposterous and and I think it's so less. And this is a very DC thing, but kind of like in a celebrity fashion, just DC people have weddings and then like invite like random other important DC people that they aren't friends with. Maybe I thought like the smallest level of this, like when I was just like, I just got my first report. I forget if it was Jeber Romney or what, but like some guy who's like older than me was another comms guy.

“Like meet sees me in a part. I think it was correspondent's dinner party and he was like, hey, I'm getting married and two months. Can I send you an invite?”

He didn't have my number. He didn't have my and I was like, we're not friends. So this is so strange. Like when me and Tyler got married, there were like seven DC people that you know, I was like, I have friends, like, I have actual friends from life that I want to celebrate my wedding with and it's like, why would you want to celebrate your wedding with me who you know from Twitter? And it's like a kind of a common DC thing, I think, to do have the wedding be a networking event. Transactional. And I do find that very sad. And so I'm a little bit sad for Taylor and Travis on that front.

On the descent from a note here from a 25 year fan, producer note, yeah, maybe tacky, but there was maybe security concern with the TNT wedding at a Chateau or some other luxury sites with leak drones. Guys. Oh, right, because getting married in the middle New York City, you know, like, what? I just wanted to offer it. I mean, and listen, I know there are Swifties out there and I, I just, I'm sorry, like, I just think bad choices are made. Fine, what were we talking about? What was the sex advice we were doing on the last podcast that that started this kind of ongoing effort for you to bully me into doing the sex podcast with you? Do you remember?

I should have looked up this. We have to go back to the archives. I don't remember. The last time you were online, which is too long ago. I do like talking about the homosexualization. So yeah, I went back and looked at the archives for about a minute. So we're moving into a quarterly visit that we're going to start having to say, you know, just letting you know now. So start getting your calendar out.

I mean, this is too bad to only do twice a year. Whatever we talked about, the prom dead, you've got to wish to spin off and we're, you know, politics is wearing a stand as earlier in the Trump administration and it's like, it would be fun to do a side. You're unknowing this. It wasn't like, oh, this is a lark. It was like the essence of all the conflict.

“I believe this is actually how we got started.”

The essence of all the conflict in the political sphere, social and cultural is sex. How are the detent sex? I mean, look at the part of my platinum, right? Like sex is at the root of so much of the chaos, disagreement and True. Part of the ship. Honestly, whether people are getting laid, whether they aren't getting laid, whether they're being cuckolded.

Yeah, it's going to be Dan Savage's podcast. I always love, he has somebody to be on in a minute.

Well, Dan, you're listening. I'd like to go on too. But I'm just saying, I think you could have a sex focused podcast that looked at the world through the lens of sex. And then, but also did some like audience here. And then also just talked about like, you know, I don't know, reverse Carl Gauberl or whatever. Like, you know, like, but you won't do it.

I'm a, I, I, I, I, I. Listeners chime in if you think you can. I don't think you can do it. Tim should do a sex podcast.

“I think people don't make you divulge like stories from your 20s.”

I'm not going to do that. More 40s. Shut up. I'm still, I'm still active. I'm still alive. Um, okay. So that's a trial run as a trial run.

I, I thought the final topic. And, um, and I, I don't want to pick on a personly Graham's life because obviously tough time.

So I just, I want to like, like, I basically kind of anonymize that encounter and say that somebody came to you Alex Wagner and said hello.

I'm in, I'm in my 40s where every still life here, but like a later in life marriage. We don't know if we'll have kids husband. You know, it's a little bit of a. Yeah, it's a. It's a bit out there.

Bomb, be Vaughn. It's a bit out there, you know, and I've discovered that he has a kick profile with a shirtless picture of himself in the 40s. And we're working through it. Like how big of a red flag is having a kick profile in a straight marriage if you're a wife. Wait, I'm really, what's a kick profile?

It's like a sexy app. Oh, it's like field. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. For sex. No, I don't think so. What else is kick for? Do we know kicks like a messaging app?

It's kind of like a snap chat. For sex. Yeah, it's like a snap chat, but like.

You know, we were already married. No, this is a huge red flag. It's because can I just say it's one thing to be like, I got drunk and I hit on the someone I work with or someone I met in a bar.

“You have to sit down. Like have you done a dating profile? I have.”

And I'm never doing one again.

It's not. Don't recommend to one out of ten. Are you on a riot? Listen, we're not going to talk about all that. See? How do we have a sex podcast if you're not going to talk about your riot profile?

I was on riot. I was on riot and I was like, nobody would ever get back to me. And I was like, what is this? Like this is, and it was just comedians and tour photographers that were like. Like messaging. It just didn't work. It was not a good app for me. But it takes time.

Mm-hmm. You have to be focused. You have to be like really wanting to set up.

“I have to take the picture of yourself with the dirty mirror where you're shirtless.”

By the way, you're not using the first photo you took.

Like you're combing through your photo library. You're doing different angles. You're playing with lighting, etc. Like that's a concerted effort to cheat. And a concerted effort to get your goods on the market. It's like a cheap way of stepping out on your lady. I just think it's a huge red flag.

Yeah. I don't believe that there's like that redemption is a lost goal necessarily. But that's a pretty big transgression in my book. Yeah. It's one thing here to be my advice. It depends on what woman it's looking for.

I think that it's okay to decide like once you're passed your child bearing years for both the man and the woman.

You want companionship. And like you like a man that like, you know, is a little bit of a... What's it would be the right word, you know? Some costume? Coxman.

You like a man. It's a little bit of a coxman. And like you have a relationship and it's like, hey, this is a committed relationship. But also, you know, I understand what I'm signing up for here. Like that's a currency.

“But that doesn't seem like that's what was happening here.”

No, dude. And I just read the book Crush, which is a good summary about a man who tries to open up his marriage. Okay. And it doesn't, I mean, it's really complicated. It's tough.

I don't, I mean, I know some people who have open marriages and they've been doing it since they were day one. And that's a different thing entirely because that's like part of your marriage DNA. Yeah. But to do it after years of monogamy or purported monogamy, I think is way more complicated. And way more perilous, treacherous territory.

Whew. Red flags for everywhere. Okay, the only thing they'd called Alex before. If only everybody, if only everybody had called Alex. If only everybody listened to the fear man Dan Clebin and Alex Wagner last winter.

Things would be very different. And it is one of our guests on runaway country this week. Really? Yeah. How about that?

What an unintentional promo. We'll leave it there. You can't end the podcast any better than that. That's Alex Wagner. Go check out runaway country.

And we'll be back here. We do it every day. So we'll see you tomorrow, peace. [Music] The board podcast is produced by Katie Cooper with Audio Engineering and Editing by Jason Brown.