Bill Kristol: It Always Comes Back to Trump/Russia

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News, let's get to this. Really, I mean, I guess in some ways a bombshell story, and in other ways a dog bites man's story out of ProPublica this morning, which is the Trump families close ties to the Russians and close financial ties to the Russians. I believe a new data point on that. Russian oligarch Omar Kremlev footage the bill for Donald Trump Jr's second wedding.

I was just kind of crazy. I mean, like they're robbing people with their crypto coin. When you think they could pay for their own wedding, but no, a Russian oligarch paid for it. Six figures rented out a private island paid for the firework show. Krem was the head of the boxing organization there, a scandal-plug boxing organization.

He's also a close ally of Putin. Only 50 people should up to the wedding. Famously Donald Trump senior didn't. I don't know if there's anything related there, Eric would ask about this.

He has no clue who this person is and has never heard his name, which is pretty strange.

Only 50 people at the wedding. You think Eric would have met all of them. Kushner was also there. Also not worthy. I'm billed. This is, this is like pretty astonishing. Yeah. Well, as you say, it's both astonishing and routine in the air. Trump just yet another.

Griff's Putin Associated Russia Associated Griff, which is slightly more appalling than all the regular griff, but still. Yeah, and this goes hand in hand, of course, with Trump chestizing Zelensky for not being nicer to Russia and really, you know. Yeah. And this guy, Krem love.

And this was, this was kind of deep in the pro-public destroy shot to those guys doing excellent reporting. I was like, whoa, this is an interesting thing to tuck in here. Krem love 43 is also heavily involved in an organization called Healthy Fartherland, run by his 23-year-old wife's twin sister. The group, which promotes healthy eating and youth sports,

is under Ukrainian sanction for its alleged role in a program of abducting Ukrainian children and relocating them under the guise of rehabilitation. And this is like one of the things that's both like horrifying and deep. Right? And it's just like, it's like, oh, healthy, healthy fatherland organization. We want kids to get involved in ice hockey and, you know, eat their vegetables.

But it is like a cover organization for abducting Ukrainian kids. I hadn't gotten that far in the article. I was like, I got so sick. I was so sick and by the whole thing. But that is very, as you say, interesting and reveal. I mean, it's all such a grief.

I guess when sometimes it's inclined to say, okay, it's a grief. They're getting rich. They're creepy, corrupt people.

“But it's not like old-fashioned corruption where people got rich, right?”

It is all with somewhat of it as with dictators and really horrific dictators.

It's not sort of, let's call it, it is in corruption where you're just stealing some money from the taxpayers

“of your own city, state or country, which is kind of what we're used to.”

Right? I mean, or even just kind of like the Trump's powering around with these guys, which was bad enough, it's pretty horrifying, frankly, just for someone that's allegedly involved in the inducting of Ukrainian children to be one of the 50 people at Donald Trump Junior's wedding. I mean, like, that itself would be a scandal. He's paying for the wedding.

You know, it certainly says in the article, it's like, the Russians, when they pay for something, want something on the back end. This largest is not come out of the good of this man's heart to Donald Trump Junior. It's just hard to imagine this guy did some background reading on him, his guy grew up and roughed that round, trying to like a biker gang in Russia.

It's like, it's hard to imagine this guy looks at Donald Trump Junior,

the pampered child of Donald Trump senior who is, you know, mentally not at the top of his game.

Like, and this is like, I really just love this guy. I just met this guy a couple years ago, and I just think we're going to be crazy friends. He said you're good. Hey, it's like, they want to get something. What do they want to get? Well, I don't know. We have some evidence, as you mentioned earlier, Bill, Jared Kushner, again,

who is at the wedding, are chief negotiator in this war. At the wedding funded by the Russian side, this weekend explains what he thinks the state of play is in the Russia Ukraine war and interview let's listen to that.

“Look, I think right now, from the Ukraine perspective, I mean,”

President Putin's laid out his line of what he wants to achieve if Ukraine you know, wanted to withdraw to that line, then obviously. We have the rest of the deal set up and put together Ukraine.

Right now, does not want to do that, and obviously our job is the mediators to figure out

how can we come up with a creative solution that doesn't violate their desires and that helps them achieve, you know, they're objective and doesn't the way that we can get Russia to end the conflict in a way that hopefully, you know, allows both parties to move forward in a framework that where this doesn't happen again. If Ukraine would withdraw to the Russian lines, we have a deal ready.

We have a great deal, you know, a win-win kind of, as we say in the business role, as long as Ukraine would withdraw, why is Ukraine the target? They're kidnapping the kids. The kid kidnapper is funding Don Jr's wedding and Jerry Zeklach, you know, the Ukrainians are being a little, a little demanding here by not just kind of giving Russia their territory.

Well, by withdrawing further, I guess, is what he's saying, right? The Russian would do better for negotiation than they've done on the battlefield. Now, it's all seconding and that whole idiotic, as you say, sort of fake business to go shader, mode of speaking and tone of voice, and, you know, we're just trying to help out both sides here.

We're equally guilty or innocent. I mean, it's really appalling.

“It really is. Every time I think, okay, you know, look, they haven't had this much”

to have it, which is, they might have, which is a way to, to Ukraine. Because Ukraine has been so incredibly resourceful and tough, and the Europeans have stepped up some, every time I think, okay, so maybe that part of the Trump administration isn't as reprehensible as I kind of expected it to be. It turns out they want to be that reprehensible. It's just that Zelensky and the Europeans

haven't let them be, you know, and it's, it's like a Russianer. He's not in government, right? He's got, he's got God knows what business interests you said. The whole thing makes you wonder about, we've just got this before, about the, the, the, the, the, the, which is the Trump families at the heart of the grift. And can they afford to just give this over to someone they don't fully

try to, do they trust fans, Rubio, Hagxeth, all these guys. It's fully, fully beyond board. I mean, there's a reason most of a lot of our authoritarian dictatorships become family enterprises, right? And this is JVL's point, you know, there's some element of it that could feel a little more like, you know, I mean, JD is pretty mobbed up with Trump family at this point.

But, well, that's true. I don't Jared there. Just for people who are just on audio only. If I had to bet who in the world is most likely to be a lizard person, I could you would think that you would be at my top draft picks. He looks very uncomfortable. Like you're saying this whole tone is just like this. Oh, hey, we're doing this real estate.

That's not what this is. Like that, like this is a different category. There's a different clip where he talks about how war can be in a no sum. And we're trying to get to a win win. And it's like, I don't know, his skin looks inverted. The whole thing is very creepy. Trump also spoke out this weekend.

Like, maybe this is all distributed. But he does have a complaint about somebody in the conflict. And as you mentioned, Bill Zelensky, Mr. Zelensky has to do one thing, Trump said, he has to stop knocking out diesel fuel and Russia. Let him go after targets, but not diesel fuel, because he's causing a shortage of

diesel fuel. He's like a stem there. This isn't done by the Middle East. This is done by what's happening in Russia and Ukraine. For the video, I just will just pull out this chart here. If you can look at the link if they want, the diesel price chart does go after Russia invades Ukraine.

So it was Russia's fault, not Ukraine's fault for bombing the Russians.

Like, that's what's happening here.

“But Trump is now trying to blame the exorbitantly high price of diesel.”

That's really impacting a lot of people on Zelensky's fault for defending himself.

And all this second-up to Putin is happening as Putin's intensifying the attacks

that civilians in Ukraine and is a lot of reporting about how he's been helping Iran responsible for eating Iran in various attacks even in terms of the missile capabilities. And therefore, some of the damage from the killing of American service members. So it's really, it's grotesque. Really, I mean, yeah, you're right.

It's good that I had not picked sufficiently close attention to this latest average. When discounts are, as you say, it's manned by the dark by its manned. So they were all outrageous. But this war that Trump is so proud of, that he's we're fighting in such a manly way. And Iran, we're sucking up to Putin and to trying to have a bite.

It's not my dad. Yeah, let's go to China next. We just really quick to put the button on this. Again, it was Trump's war of choice in Iran that has caused the increase in energy prices. That's what it is.

And there are other factors, of course, to complex global economy. Like, that's what happened. It's like, at least if you were going to lie to me. Like, at least lie by being on the right side. Right, to your point, you could, if you wanted, he could blame Russia and China.

Right, he could say that like, you know, like, we had this thing would have been easy to resolve. We got rid of the idol today, one. But it's like now the Russians and the Chinese have been helping them. You know, and it's like, that's a, it's a, it's a great power conflict. Right.

I mean, that would also have definitely, at least be kind of true. I don't know. Like, maybe, you know, you could say the Iranians would not be able to close the straight. If it wasn't for the targeting help. And the other resources being provided by Russia and China.

And China, like, he could do that, but that's not what he's doing. He's saying it's a landscape spot. It's sickening. It's total front.

But to your point about China, let's talk about that just for a second.

Because she's going to be here in what two weeks. I think it's not like that. Yeah, two weeks. And Trump has asked about this also in the same, you know, kind of gaggle, where he, where he blames the landscape for diesel prices.

And people were like, hey, we have evidence now. We're going to Wall Street Journal report that China helped with the targeting of an Iranian attack. A killed three American service members. And what do you think about that? You know, she's she's coming to the US.

Are you going to confront about this? And Trump's basically like, you know, well, we both do it. They do the same thing we do. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Like, that's literally something.

Like, they're helping killing three American service members. No, it's unbelievable, really, isn't it? And it'll be second up to G in two weeks. Of course, well, that's the right cover for Putin. You're going to go now already and broke the embargo on him.

It didn't held until then. And now he's inviting it to the T20. No, I mean, he likes the dictators. Obviously, he's a little bit in awe of them. And so he personally sort of loves the kind of man to man dealing with them.

That's pretty clear. Okay. Yeah. I mean, we're going to talk about AI stuff at the end. But I do think that the only coherent story, I guess, is the only

hierarchy in the corruption, right? Because, again, it's like, you can imagine a coherent anti-China story or China threat story that ties AI, you know, and why we need to do chip restrictions to, you know, China's involvement in this Iran war and how it's important that we, you know,

“asserted ourselves and Iran is a way to weaken chat, right?”

Like, you can imagine that. Like, they're not, he's not doing that at all. Like, I mean, this is his actions. We try to whether it be selling the chips, whether it be not caring that China's helping killing our own troops.

You know, this is like always kind of a silly exercise.

But like, if this was Obama, I mean, Fox red scare stuff would be in full full active mode. I'm like, would have some points or out frankly. You know, I mean, if it's talking about how weak this is, and it's just, Trump is totally uninterested in challenging China at all.

It's a total weakness. Yeah. China's also probably helping Iran asserts to the straight navigating through the, you know, so anyways, it's all, it is kind of unbelievable to see it in the middle of a war where American service members are fighting and, and some, unfortunately,

sadly dying and an unnecessary war war he chose. And even then, as pro-putness ever, as pro-G, as ever. And they are, they are helping Iran. It's not even a question mark, right? I mean, it's a question mark about exactly how far they're going

at some of these missile issues in all this, but there's no question that they're on Iran side diplomatically and many important ways.

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It has shut down, at least for a little while, the pipeline, which is impacting gas prices further. And, you know, the potential, like level of risk there, because the hoodies also potentially could shut down like the other waterway with which, you know, oil gets out of the Gulf. I don't know whether you have thoughts on that first.

Yeah. Now, remember, heck said, we, that was one of our first little military engagements that HECSF was pounding as chest about.

We spent a couple of, several billion dollars of extremely expensive weapons to fire at various, you know,

who do little, you know, speed boats or something. And we had demolished them. They were finished. They were done. This was just another wonderful exercise for American power. They'd agree to which, uh, the degree to which HECSF damaged the military and wasted, but that's just wasted resources that lied to us, of course. But I've been alarmed all along about God knows what Trump and HECSF would do in foreign policy and their security policy.

But to the military itself, I'm so curious. You follow these people a little more than I do. I don't know how to stomach for it. Are the Trump apologists, the acquiesces, the, you know, sort of, you know, sophisticated defenders of the foreign policy. They wouldn't do quite this way, but he's intentionally going to the right world. Are they still pretending this warner on's kind of okay? And, you know, we just have to stick in there and tighten the screws somewhere.

“Well, I mean, they're basically two groups happening, right?”

I mean, there's one group that is now kind of talking about how the Iran war has maybe been the one missed step, but everything else is going great. And people need to just kind of get on board. And this was the vice president's literally stated case at, at the convention, court and court convention. The like T-sims of the world, like what I'm seeing now a lot is kind of like, well, the conventional wisdom, you know, everybody is jumping on board of this is already lost, but like that's not really true.

You know, like the ball is still in the air here, and if we squeeze around more, you know, the momentum could change on this. So it's not like chest something more, but it's kind of like the critique of the critics, right? And Trump's already laying the ground board now, it's like after the midterms, maybe escalate to finish. That's probably where T-sims and those guys will be. I don't know if Trump will have the stomach for it, but I think there'll be a big push after the midterm. It's for him to try to escalate to get get a better outcome and need the same amount that I've been asked to go about that.

You brought up the signal, again, I just wanted to circle back to that because I have kind of forgotten that that was about the who T's bombing. You know, like the leaked signal chats to Jeffrey Goldberg, you know, with the emojis, fist pounding American flag, fire emoji. Let's what we're sending around to each other's secretary of war and the National Security Advisor at the time. I just this kind of chest thumping back padding. Meanwhile, it's like getting leaked to a mainstream journalist and achieve nothing, right?

Like, achieve nothing. Now here we are a year and a half later, and the hoodies are doing more damage. You know, at a time when we're our military is is more exposed.

The whatever it was they were trying to achieve and Yemen didn't work, right?

So add it to the list. The who G's who are an ally of Iran, maybe really a proxy of most of Iran, a stronger and a stronger and a stronger. So really, that's bad for the world, bad for us, but a great victory for Trump and Hexath and those guys, you know. I'm real. I'm a little bit more like a millionaire and I'm the founder of Yawi, a member of the Security Advisor, who is currently working on the health and health of the social media. Well, this is trickling down to the campaign. He's out of the Senate recently.

It's over the weekend. I did a video on the board. Takes feed looking at Alaska and Texas. People want to check that out. I wanted to say the Kansas state fair debate for you. And part because I was like, Bill Christ will call me in like March, February.

So you're monitoring the Kansas Center. I have to admit I'm not. So you were ahead of me under Kansas Center races potentially being in play. And so I know you've been monitoring it. And so I wanted to grab a couple of videos at the Kansas state fair.

So on the one hand, it's a state fair. So it's, you know, it's the on wall. It's the masses in Kansas. So you would think that that would be, you know, a decent representation. It was in Johnson County, which is a more the blue part of the state.

So that's not where the only hit the crowd reaction here. But, you know, it's not the Holy Detroit crowd out there at the state fair. If you look at it. And there was a debate between Adam Hamilton and Roger Marshall and boy. I mean, it was a thumb think.

And I want to play a couple of the clips.

“But the first one, I think that Hamilton has given what I've seen so far is the sharpest attack”

in his opponent over at the war and its impacts. Let's watch some of that.

Eisenhower would have never supported this war.

Never supported this war. Ronald Reagan did not do this. Neither of the bushes did this. If you love $6 a gallon diesel fuel, you can thank Roger Marshall. He supported this.

He told us to tighten their belts because this was the cost of being safe in America. We were supposed to be out of this war after four weeks. Maybe six weeks were six months in. We still can't figure out how to get out. And the cost of everything has gone up as a result.

Talk to farmers, phosphate, double in price. This is costing all of us at the grocery store. We should not be in the war. This man supported the war. I want to get us out of the war.

Pretty blunt. Well said. Yeah. For a pastor. He's pretty.

He's willing to be a little bit aggressive.

That was good.

“And he is. And I think, and there's a patola hit on this obviously in the Alaska race.”

She was focusing. She can bring everything back to fish. I'm not even following. So I count. The fishermen, their cost and the heating oil costs coming in Alaska.

That's going to be more expensive as you get to the winter. But I don't know. I feel like the tide is turning a little bit. I think because of the gas prices. Sometimes Democrats, you, we did a retrospective to 94 last week.

Democrats, I think, do get a little bit nervous about being seen as the anti-war anti-military party. The less things are going really bad. Right? Like he looked back to what your eye did, which was 06.

Like Democrats really struggled in 04 to make the case when you don't see a rock war. You know, there's just a little bit of a wishy washeness than by 06. So it was kind of, you know, a more blunt. I kind of felt that way in a micro this summer. Right?

There's a little bit where the gas prices kind of came back down. And it was just like this was happening over there. And Democrats were critiquing it. But it was a little bit of, you know, oh, I want to, you know, I don't want to say anything that makes it seem like I'm undermining the military.

“I don't want to make funding for this, you know, the key fight of the fall we've talked about.”

And I do think that with this recent spike in gas prices, the tide is turning on that. We've seen some pretty aggressive messaging from the Democrats on this. And the recent Democrats in 04 were nervous about it, and it's that they had voted for it. I mean, carry it. I mean, carry it, carry it famously.

It did not. I voted for it. I voted against it. I voted against it. I voted for it.

I don't remember that. I mean, he was not in a good position to eliminate that a gate this against Bush. And they took advantage of him. Really the other way. I'd say carries weak and indecisive and Bush's.

Whereas here, this is the price they're paying for Trump going alone. No congressional authorization or support. And the Democrats do their credit. Did force those war power votes? I made sure for leadership was really for that.

Warner was going on this and Tim Kane and they forced those. Then which allows Hamilton to say now, what is debating Marshall. You voted 10 times for this war. It's absolutely correct. You know, absolutely correct.

Okay. I think this is interesting. Also because we're in Kansas, you notice the beginning of that clip. Hamilton's doing his best right to try to like talk to Republicans. Yeah, you know, even the Bush has didn't get into a war.

That's stupid. You know, which is okay. It's a good effort.

“But so this is one area where I think it shows you how low Trump standing in is and why it's important where the Bush line is.”

Because Hamilton, other parts of the debate really is working hard to kind of appeal to Republican voters. But here, I think you show how Trump is a little bit of an anchor. He talks about the manner in which Marshall has been treating Trump as Senator.

Here's the problem is senators are elected by the people to cheat be their champion in Washington DC.

Not hired by the White House to be their spokesperson to the people in the state. Currently, our sitting senator has a very hard time speaking up to the president has a very difficult time saying Mr. President. This is corrupt. This is not okay. I didn't hear it after Wednesday.

In fact, I think you were there for the speech. Didn't hear it that night. But we have got to have somebody who's willing to do what a senator is supposed to do and that is speak up against power to be a check on executive power. Roger Marshall struggles to do that. It's interesting line in Kansas.

I like the spokesperson for the president line. It kind of makes him weak. And it is also a correct act, right? And so even if you're a party guy, you're not supposed to be spinning for him. Yeah, and I think it's really well said. I had this formulation. It's a rubber stamp congress instead of being a congress to check the president.

But that's from my, that's like a national message. You know, from my photo. But actually, it's much more effective, of course, to make it personal and say spokesman for the president to the people of Kansas as opposed to them for the people of Kansas to the president.

“The only thing I say about just that race and the others.”

I mean, I do think the reason I got it or interested in early on was someone in Kansas called me and said the tariffs. You just, you guys back east don't understand what they're doing here. The other couple of people have Marshall talked about tariffs. Let's just go right into that. Do you think the president's tariff policies have worked? And are you concerned about long-term ramifications to act? America's global standing in agriculture.

Yeah, Dave. Thank you. And maybe so I can give us a case date update here in a second, Grace.

But look, look, you know, that these tariffs were meant to bring manufacturing jobs home and improve our exports. And I guess why it's working. Let me give you an example. Oh, God is not happy. And he goes on to kind of a long example about, you know, some manufacturing plant that's from built in Kansas. But it's like, you can hear in the response, like the tariffs, it's kind of like, I start with this with Biden on inflation, you know, when JVL is talking about why it wasn't a big video. And I was like, it is, it's annoying to everybody, right?

Like the inflation, even, you know, if it wasn't mass unemployment recession, like everybody noticed it all the time. And I think that that is like happening, right? The tariffs, particularly in, you know, place like Kansas or people are very in tune to commodity prices and things like this. So you see, like, it's, it's in across the board either at minimum annoyance or for some people at maximum like real hardship. And then, you know, Marshall's saying, well, on the other side of this, like, you know, there are the 10 jobs in the life, you know, the got built at this plant that may or may not have anything to do with it.

But it's not, it's not a compelling calendar, you know.

“And they're also, I think the Chinese retaliation cost them and soybeans and all this. So nice was that maybe JVL do a favor for his buddy Trump and give some fake, you know, concession and two weeks and they'll build them.”

They'll tell that. This is why I do think those planes, the plane states, I think we're calling it a point. I think Kansas Nebraska, where I was born lost by a late points last time, I don't know, can't do any points better than he did. And the last time you ran to the Senate, I don't think it's as independent. I don't even, some of these other South Dakota. I really wonder what those states could be very interesting. I think, I think Democrats have been, you know, thwarted or disappointed so many times in these, in these Santa races and red states.

But, you know, this could be, in these red states are a little different from the Southern red states where they do 10 to fall short. They're not fully evangelical voters, most of their fair number in Iowa, but not many. These are more your kind of old-fashioned, if I can say, conservative Republicans. You know, right, you know, that can happen. The math that I looked at, they don't like the government, and they like, it's very, very smart, and I don't know if you think to, it feels like Eisenhower.

Eisenhower from Kansas, am I making this up, isn't he? No, Eisenhower, no, Eisenhower from Kansas. Yeah, I think so. Eisenhower, of course. I mean, I feel like that would resonate out there in a way that maybe not so much, and I don't know. Louisiana, or Mississippi, or South Carolina, are in these Southern states where Democrats are trying to, you know, to throw a Hail Mary.

You've never been to the Dwight D. Eisenhower presidential library in Abelene?

I have it's one of the four places that you can stop between Denver and St. Louis on your drive, which I made that drive along.

I 70 a lot of times as a child, and so I think I've been to the Dwight D. Eisenhower presidential library more than any other library. You're in, you're in touch with the spirit of Eisenhower, too.

“Yeah, I think of all the bull work people. I regard you as the Eisenhower representative, you know?”

All right, I'll take that as high praise. I might be a little high on my own supply, and Hamilton, I like a lot. It is doing all the right things, I think, as a candidate. I just think him and Peltole have been the strongest candidates by kind of a wide margin, really, of the potential pickups I've made Cooper, I guess.

I don't mean to impute and Roy Cooper and John Ossoff, we're going doing so well that they're not even spending money in those states.

Right, of the other pickups, I think that the Hamilton has been so good, but there's just something about that race. I wouldn't be surprised if he does better than Turk, actually. I think that Kansas and Iowa, as you've mentioned a couple of times, we're darn close in the presidential number. What's on this is huge gaps, people think about Iowa more of a swing steak, because Democrats have won there, and the presidential level, but they were really close.

“And there's something psychological, I think, for Republicans, where it's hard to go into the booth and vote for sand and Turk, and I did, it was whatever.”

It was just my focus group of five former Republican friends I have in Iowa when I was there for the Pete interview, and I went around the table, and it was like, four sand, one lane, and then it was an inverse on the other one, right?

There's something about a governor's race, and sand is running even notably more moderate, I think, than Turk, and it's kind of an easier vote, and I'm not sure.

I think that that Iowa's got not the attention, but I think Kansas could certainly end up, the Democrats could do better there than some of these other states. So we will see, you know Marshall's in trouble when at the beginning of the answer he's like, can we get an update on the case state football game? Somebody save me, can we watch this, what's the score anyway? Ohio is another race that we've given a little bit of short trips, so do you want to talk about shared surrounding a good campaign there too?

Frankly, the Democrats are rooting at the Senate level, has been really good, which is funny, given all the consternation about a couple of candidates, but what were your thoughts about the Ohio son race? Just that the Republican candidate is that it seems to have various scandals popping up. I thought it was just some obscure egg when I saw the headline, ate of who's dead, resigns, the Mediotazi, revelations about his neo-Nazi activities online. Yeah, and then it turns out he's this political director who's not like I thought it was like some kid who was driving one of the staff around or something like that.

And so yeah, that's really wonderful that the Ohio Republican party's penetrated at the top by a bunch of people who dressed up in Nazi regalia and say in post antisemitic things online. Yeah, that was a really good book about this. It's going to come to me about the people that dressed up in Confederate regalia and like they go and re-enact. That is like kind of these re-enactments. I have to say I never heard of the Nazi re-enactment until the story where people get dressed up in the Nazi uniforms and go around in a field somewhere and pretend like they're the Germans at World War II.

And like that's pretty, I can't imagine what really, and it's very sick. This guy that's doing that is the political director. I don't know what more information the, you know, whatever Republican Jewish committee type folks need to start to get really alarmed here. You know, and for whatever, like some people of legitimate criticisms of Abdul, you know, and his positions on Israel, etc. But like, I does feel like there's this imbalance in focus on where the threat is coming from, when you have the political director for Ohio Senate candidate, literally dressing up in Nazi regalia.

Yeah. So anyway, I think, I think that raises, I mean, it's always was already in play and I think Brown is actually ahead and more polls than not, but so I think I went as far as closer to the top of the list of the conventional list of democratic possible pickups and Brown obviously is a very experienced successful politician in Ohio. But yeah, I just feel like a lot of those states are breaking more or less, I mean, you and I discussed this last week there. These underlying factors, there's national waves, that's very big deal in a way of election, the wave lifts everyone up some.

“And then there are these state, these individualized things that happen in different states and in different campaigns, right?”

And those six we talked about the fully scandal near the end, and that had national effect. Most of these have a statewide effect, obviously Hamilton, you know, the fact that Marshall's such a buffoon or the fact that who's dead has all these problems. That is one of his main backers is the Epstein guy and all this kind of stuff. But it also can add up a little bit nationally, I think voters vaguely look up and sort of, well, what's up with this stuff that Republican party anyway. Yeah, it's like Trump's 37% and then these other guys were supposed to be a little better than Trump, because that, you know, that's why you're justifying voting for them.

That is such a crazy story. They have to have a second surgery, I don't even like to get into it. It's still kind of stomach turning, but they have to have a second surgery.

“And, and then he sues them to make them pay more for the second one. I mean, it's the corruption thing isn't, and the adjacency to fascism thing isn't limited to Trump.”

I guess what I'm saying, or to Trump family, or people serving at high, at high parts of the Trump administration, it seems to permeate through the party. Obviously, we have Max Miller, our friend Max Miller, they're at Ohio, and you know, there's just a lot of that kind of stuff. Someone else Mike Josh was asked about this week. I can't even keep going. He's asked about Brandon Herrera. I thought about playing it, but anyway, but he's another candidate. Yeah, he's like just like the party is full.

We covered him on the on the trio. It's really more trio a pro prison.

But let's just say a Republican candidate said some very disgusting things about women when he was a podcaster. And Mike Johnson's asked about this by Jake Tapron, CNN, and he's just like, well, that was when he was a podcaster that he was doing this disgusting misogynistic stuff like two minutes ago.

“And now I go, when he's a kid, this is college podcast, but it was like, oh, yeah, he left the podcast to run like that was his previous job.”

That really disgusting stuff, and that we should get into it, and also come to the district that is Republican district now. It's like an incumbent who left something, or it's at least a competitive district. It's not like, sometimes you get these candidates who are total lunatics, obviously.

And throw away seats where you're down 30 and the party doesn't care, and someone runs and gets to 1,632 votes in a primary against someone else who gets 2,248 votes.

And it just doesn't, you can't really make the part that's stick on the party, but this is a guy they're backing Mike Johnson. The speaker of the house would not walk away if Mr. Christian, if I could just say, would not walk away from this guy with these repulsive statements that were like, what, two years ago. I mean, they were not talking about you as you say. And this is the district Tony Gonzalez was the one that had held the seat, and he had his scandal of his own, which was he had the affair with staffer than killed herself.

This is one of those seats where the redistricting might end up being a dummy mander. Like, they felt like it was going to be a safe seat, but it's a lot of it's a big part of the Hispanic community on the border. Trump, the bottom is falling out among Trump's numbers that are Katie Bedea stout is the Democratic candidate. She's an attorney in San Antonio. And so, that's definitely a winnable race against Riera, but yeah, no, they're staying behind all these guys. I don't want to move over the, the Roger Marshall story, like, when he was a doctor, this is like rural health care.

Like, this is such a big issue. Kids like poor people don't have access, you know, that's not like they have the big hospital systems, you know, if you're out there and Western Kansas part of the Kansas, you know, that I'd have to drive across. You get from Colorado to Bica or whatever, Kansas City, like out in in Western Kansas, you don't have access to the same type of care. So you have a local doctor like Roger Marshall, who would do, you know, OBGYN. So he is doing, you know, sea sections are his right to me, things with the snature.

And, and, and if they couldn't pay, he would send a bounty hunters after them. Like, the lawyers would send you for bills. Like, when somebody's cases of the bills like a hundred bucks or something, it was like a hundred and one bucks. You know, there was another case where a woman said that she offered to pay on a payment plan, but they said no, and they sent these people to jail. They did debtors prison. You know, and it wasn't like, oh, they went to find them and they also had a worn out for their rest for, you know, whatever, math to be like.

Like, that's not what it was like they, they just didn't, they didn't pay, they didn't show up to court for their debt. And so they put them in jail. And there was one story in the New York Times story where it was, it was an elderly couple. And it was like, it was Easter. They're having an Easter egg hunt, and then the cops show up at their house over the over medical debt to Roger Marshall. It's kind of wants to be the senator. It is the senator. And it's just compared to a pastor, he's completely sick.

I lost track of where we were that we got really kind of just once we start rambling about all of the, um, terrible Republican candidates, they're just, there's no ending to it. I remember when I was going to say, Confederates in the attic Tony Horowitz, he's a good guy was a really fun book. Yeah, about Confederate re-enactments. I read that during COVID. AI. Well, more on this later this week, it's really was the big story of the weekend, which is just kind of the fears about the worst case outcomes from AI, really kind of broke narrative containment over the weekend.

“Because with a couple of stories, there was Jacob Cox, and I think we mentioned this last week is 27-year-old researcher that worked for both anthropic and open AI, open at first and anthropic.”

He said he quit. He was doing pre-training research on the AI. He said these both these companies are racing to self-improving superintelligence, the gambles with our lives, so he quit and kind of tried to put up this warning flare. The head of the anthropic, then, Darryl Amade, put out a letter, which I spoke pasting the frontier of these Silicon Valley terms, make me roll my eyes.

He proposed a three-point proposal, independent watch, dogs inside the AI labs, industry-wide speed limits, and coordination with other countries, eventually China.

Altman and Elon Musk agreed with his statement. We're just kind of interesting. Since they're both at least Altman's position was more reckless and aggressive. Elon is erratic on this, as he is on everything. Trump then gets asked about this. He's going full laser-fair. Nothing to worry about. I'm going to be dead by the time the killer robots, so Trump doesn't care. Trump just wants these guys to keep building, because it's the only part of the economy that's going well. Besides private prisons, New York Times over the weekend talks about how Washington is slumbered as these tech companies talk about these fears.

Like I said, later in the week, we get into kind of more of the technical side about what the fears are, but I'm wondering your thoughts on kind of the politics of all that. I also need to educate myself much more on the sort of actual substance and decide technical side, but it is. I mean, I've talked now personally even talked to enough people who are in and around that world.

It's real. I mean, it's real. These people are not being hysterical. Now whether whatever the motives of Altman or Amadei in terms of trying to, you know,

“you know, calm people down and it's pretty vague what he wants to do, but I think it has a scape confinement.”

And I think the politics of it, there's a poll at the University of Massachusetts. And I think this morning that has approval to approval of Trump on AI, it's like 2357 on data centers. It's like unbelievably 70 to 20 years, something like do you want one built in your local community. And that's just the data centers. That was really an electricity bill, water supply, maybe jobs kind of issue. It wasn't this stuff, right? And Trump is indifferent to it. So I think Democrats will in should say this, we need serious responsible governance.

The government has to be part of the solution government regulates every other thing that's dangerous less than the dangers of all kinds of technologies. And the Trump administration is doing nothing. And then let Trump explain how complicated it all is and how difficult it is. I mean, there is when once said the actual substance that is going to be very difficult to, you know, we do need China's doing it. And if we stop China doesn't stop, and then use that a little bit to nuclear weapons in 1945, from 45 to I don't know, they're early 60s. I guess I would say we managed to both regulate nuclear weapons, regulate nuclear waste mostly, stop the spread of nuclear weapons, make it all.

People at the time thought, I mean, think of the movie, it was the end of the movie, the end of the world. It could have been the end of the world. And we made it kind of a livable thing for the next decades, which is not nothing. It's not like the achievement of that generation of of Truman and Eisenhower. And so forth, putting that office would be hard in the best of times. We do not have obviously an administration that's at all up to it. And I, you know, I'm not sure we have a political system right now, this up to it. So it's a huge challenge. You really is a big challenge.

Yeah, I mean, even if they're wrong about the capabilities, right? It's kind of like, okay, well, I know there are a lot of other risks associated with AI. And seriously, it's 10% or that when this thing that's okay, well, that's a 10% chance that, you know, whatever AI swarms, you know, get into biological weapons.

“It's like, well, it's kind of how I always feel it's hard sometimes to talk about these tail risk things, you know, because I saw this guy is what I feel I hate talking about how, oh, why should I be alarmist about this?”

Because you guys were all alarmist about democracy and alarmist about climate and alarmist and I'm like, all these things are getting worse for starters. And it's like, sure, like the point I kept making about Trump 2.0 is like, the worst case scenario might only be 2% that he tries to become a dictator.

Well, like, that's too high. Like, we never had a 2% risk that one of the two major party candidates wanted to become a dictator in our lifetimes until now.

And so 10% is too high. I don't, my thing on the Democrats on the politics of this thing that I worry about is, if Trump is going to go full laws, I fare, whatever. He's going to have a ton of money behind him, already does have a ton of money behind him, like the VC guys and Dresons of the world and the David Balls acts like all these guys, like they, they have a ton of money on the line. And they're putting huge amounts on behalf of a public and candidates were already seeing this, right? So if the Democrats become critics, that could incentivize them to want to give more money.

And so what I worry about is the Democrats getting the sour spot, whether they don't take the political advantage of being card critics, but they assume the political risk. You know, right, where the insiders really know that the Democrats are going to be less friendly to them on regulation, that the public, I get's hard for them to, you know, to tell like the difference between the parties.

“And so I do think that if the Democrats on this, I think the right political move are going to go hard against AI and the AI tech oligarchs in particular, like they should do it ostentatious.”

I agree. I very much agree with that. I very much agree with that. Yeah, and I don't know enough to know exactly how they should formulate it because of course, in billion, they are just not going anywhere.

I mean, I, I don't know, you have to put that anymore sophisticated way in and more compelling way and so forth, but it has to be a pause or a stop.

There just think it can't just be, you know, we want a little more oversight of all this. It's a huge punishment. I don't stop for now, you know, doing this stuff. And it look, and then we can go, just like a nuclear stuff, you can go back and look at it, but you've got to get a control of what's happening here.

“My eyebrows raised at one element of the Bernie plan and he's like supporting a full pause with that, you know, I think that's complicated.”

There's one, well, element tucked in there, which was, I don't have it right in front of me, but it was like a 20 year prison sentence for AI developers that do X, Y and C.

Right, and I kind of do like that, right, which is like, these guys, like, you know, without getting into the details, like this kind of AI bots warm, I talked about, you know, a while ago on the show, like, If those were humans, like somebody would be arrested, right, you went to another company. Obviously, if it was a physical break in there'd be an arrest, but even before, if it was, you know, digital, like there, there are laws that govern all this and just because it's not a human, the broke the law, like,

these companies need to be responsible for their bots, and if you can't control them, then we're going to hold you responsible in criminal court, not just in civil court.

And I, I don't know, there was something about that, that's just one idea that, like, felt very tangible for people that, you know, even if they don't understand exactly what's happening with this warms, it's like, okay, I like this, right, this is something that I can get, like if these guys get out of control, we're going to hold them accountable, kind of like the laws that hold the parents accountable for the 13 year olds, you know. Well, companies are health responsible for their machines, if they go crazy, I mean, so yeah, and could be criminally, you know, the person who was in charge, who let was negligent.

“Now, I think that's a very good idea. I would say on the pause, which I think is sophisticated people are, come on, that's not a real solution, you know, that's just a blunt instrument.”

I don't know, I, I, I don't know enough about this, so I'm going to hazard this opinion without the ability asking for the right to modify my opinion a little bit later, but I don't know. I would not vote against the pause for two or three or four months on all that kind of stuff, how you define that that kind of stuff is a little is honest, but, but just, it's trying to make you such huge advances in three or four months that we won't be able to catch up, I kind of doubt it. So, and would you get this level of genuine fear, I think, from people who know a heck of a lot, you should stop it, as we would suddenly stop something else that was even something that was beneficial to us, if it was causing diseases, we would stop, you know, the production of it, right, for a while.

So I'm, I'm sort of sure. Oh, here's the other of the China part, here's the other thing, we weren't selling them chips. Well, they weren't selling them, there are certain types of chips we weren't selling them until the Trump administration, for the because of this reason, like there were unknown, there are known unknowns is around you would say, I was like, this is to the risk is too high. So some of this was about the competition with China, but some of it was about the risk, right, that is another tangible thing that I think Democrats could offer, you know, in addition to the criminal penalties is saying like, no, I'm going to go back to what the rules were under by it and like, we, and this is a good moment to do this, which is coming to visit.

Which is like, let's, again, we're going to put a ban on these exports and if the video and, you know, Jensen, these guys want to complain and okay, like, you know, sorry, like whatever, you know, you guys don't get like free laws, a fair academy on this stuff and and I think it's a good way also to highlight the correct kind of cowardice of the Trump of Trump in the face of a G. So that's another tangible thing. I totally agree to you on that, they should make a fuss of this and the G visit. This is mostly a 2028 kind of issue. I mean, this is something that they're only too much left in the campaign and most of it's going to happen anyway with despite whatever the discourse is on AI. But yeah, I mean, I just think this thing is now big enough though that people will, they don't have to look pathetic if they don't have anything to say. And so they need to quickly work out a few things like you were saying that are clear.

Defensible sound policies and yeah, taking advantage of these visits certainly would be one thing. We've got listeners who know more about this stuff than me. So email, if there's anything that I said, stupid email, board podcast or the board.com, I like like I like hearing from smart listeners on topics, so they know more than I have. Final topic, Mitch McConnell might be who knows supposedly that there's pressure. House oversight, Jamie Comer said, I want to see McConnell back today on clear what his purview is there, but drama inside the tent have you heard anything or there are any rumblings in McClain about whether Mitch McConnell is with us, whether it'll be a weekend bernies in the Senate. Do you have any expectations about Mitch McClain?

I picked up nothing here in McClain.

“That's kind of crazy, but we've heard nothing, right? Yeah, that in itself is crazy. Yeah, no kind of even right voice, so to speak for over two months.”

Mitch, but no, also just saying, Hey, here's the latest, you know, I mean, he has a center. He has people that he represents the vote, they're like the people of Kentucky don't get to know like it's he mentally fine, but his voice, you know, is he in a coma.

Either ride from Marshall types or sadly, Mitch McConnell types who are not well, you know, I might send Brandon to camp outside the house just kind of.

So we can get any signs of life. All right, that's Bill Crystal appreciate him. We'll be back. We've got to do see for you tomorrow. So looking forward to that. Again, the board dot com slash events come hang out with us in Dayton or Columbia Charlotte and Atlanta hope to see all their bill will be in Atlanta and Dayton and everybody else to see you back here tomorrow. Peace.

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