George Conway: For Trump, Harp Strikes a Chord

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He used to be a candidate for Congress. He's a board contributor and made me a little bit more soon. We'll be talking about that. It's the great George Conway. Hey, George.

Hey, Tim, how are you? I am pretty good. I mean, all things considered. I got my wish all week I've been saying, if the Natalie Harp discourse leads to an impromptu Melania press conference,

it will all be worth it for me. And I got my wish. I was always there. I was always there. You just felt paying attention.

I was always at the White House.

I'm very, very busy. You know, they tore down the East Wing. And now it's a military bunker. And I'm in charge of that. Mr. Epstein did not introduce me to my husband.

Mr. Epstein, who is that? Who is that? I know how funny I think. She made her first public appearance in more than a month. Yesterday, last time, if you even caught an appearance,

it was at the World Cup Final. She was announcing. It's hard to understand. We'll play it. Apparently a scholarship program for young adults in foster care,

which is an admirable effort. Partners on the initiative include Fox. So that leaves me a little skeptical. I don't know why. But she came out at the White House.

And I just want to play a little bit for you. Good afternoon. I heard you missed me. Here I am. Welcome to the White House.

A warm welcome to our distinguished guests today. Mr. President. My father, Mr. Knows.

Education is the only asset that can never be taken away.

It is the foundation upon which confidence is built. Opportunities created. And the future is inventant. Hmm. Her English is not great.

“I know that I get important that immigrants learn English in this White House.”

It's important part of the Stephen Miller blood. Fundation, inventant. I don't unclear what's happening there.

So I don't know what you were talking about. She might be non-lingual.

“She's forgotten mislevenient and not quite learned the English.”

So even non-lingual, first lady, possibly.

I mean, you know, I don't criticize her for. I'm not going to criticize her for helping kids get education like yes. But kind of timing. The timing is kind of interesting. Don't you think?

The timing was interesting. The timing was interesting. And I guess I do have one criticism about the comment. There was the education is the only asset that you can't take away. It's actually not true in a free country.

I mean, Donald Trump might think he can take everyone's asset. Take anything that he wants for anyone. But in a free country, you have an asset. You are actually about to keep it no matter what. It's just a little quibble.

Yeah, the timing's interesting. Coming off the Natalie Hartley. For some kind of conservative or something. Yeah.

Coming off the Natalie Hartley.

We have more letters that we're going to discuss. But we all speculated that Melania was not going to like these stories. None too much. I don't know what she's doing. The rest of the time.

Maybe just surgery. I don't know where is. It's not like she has a lot of spotters. We know what it is where she is. She's been in New York or she's been in Florida.

I don't know. We don't really know. We need a Melania. Do you want to do that, child? Not really.

Okay. But you know, I'm sure the board has some people out there that would be willing to do that. Yeah. It's not the volunteer. Yeah.

All right. So that's Melania. She's back. She's still working on English. And she's concerned about Donald's behavior.

“I think with all her free time, she could improve it.”

I mean, it's been 10 years that she's been the first lady.

The letters from Natalie Hart that might have led to this press conference. Keep getting weirder and weirder. The daily beast has some of the long form. Love notes. We've seen some of the short form.

And this one. I'm going to read from a couple of poems. I'm trying to say which parts to do first. The running is the funniest ones. We'll start there.

Make it traumatic. Yeah. Several videos show Ms. Hart sprinting across great distances to keep up with Mr. Trump's golf cart as the potters around the course in Scotland. So we have those videos simultaneously to that the letter says this.

I'm also sorry if I was an embarrassment walking the course in Scotland. It's like, it's bore on the floor. It's what this is. Why I got to see the video. We need the video.

Please link the video. Some of the weirder parts of the George boy. This is Natalie. We could be out on the course with no machines. And even forget what time it was.

I didn't have to be human printer. I could take time to enjoy good conversation. And still get all my work done at the end of the day. In fact, I even had time to take long morning and evening walks to enjoy each sunrise and sunset. Though I did forget to eat and sleep.

With so much thinking time, I confess it did have a slightly negative effect at times that I know you picked up on. That the end results, I believe, will be worth it. We go on. You have the absolute right to cut me out of need be when I deserve it. Because no one knows or cares about me more.

They say I could not have parted with you to anyone less worthy. And I will add it is I who is on worthy. It's quite amazing. It's just a peon of worship. And there's a bit of kind of like a hint of an abusive relationship there.

Right? It just feels like, you know, he trashes on her and then she does her best to throw herself back at him. I did not serve you well enough master. And did you notice the case that was there some interesting capitalization in that letter or was it another letter that I saw? Yeah, this letter, the human printer was capitalized, sunset was capitalized.

And then we get down to the end of this letter. I was saving this, but since you mentioned the capitalization, this is when the capitalization gets really weird. Thank you for being my guardian capital G and protector capital P in this life.

“That's what I wanted to use this card for.”

When you saw me at the cash register, capital CR. And once again, did what you didn't have to. And gifted me with momentos of this trip of a lifetime, a coming capital C of age. Capital A, I will return a better person. It's almost like she worships him as a capital D deity, right?

Capital G, guardian. I was a little worried where you're going with capital D. So I'm happy we landed on duty. That's over, that went over my head. So do you go?

Capital P protector. What was the other one? Capital G, guardian. Guardian, protector, and then, what was the cash register interesting?

And someone pointed out to me this morning that cash register has connotations in the evangelical community.

The cash register is a term that is used to describe people who treat the Lord as a kind of deposit institution. Where you do not good things so that you can get your, you know, Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz at the end of the day.

“But it's usually, I think it's supposed to be critical of that mode of worship or belief.”

But she's saying calling him the cash register, is that the context of the cash register? So me at the cash register. Not the cash register. I guess, probably just got her like a fucking, like little doily from the Scotland, you know, golf courses. Pro shop.

She got her some like Scotland socks, maybe.

Like a golf tea involved that is inscripted with the course name.

And that was for her a mental of a lifetime capital L and a coming of age capital. Coming of age, coming of the Lord Donald Trump. I spoke to somebody who covers the White House who is like, it's the type of situation where you remember the old stories about Trump where he would do the thing like a guy would come into his office and trump tower. They knew he was having an affair and then he'd like call his wife and put him on speaker phone and like say things like cryptically to kind of like embarrass him and scare him to manipulate him.

Yeah, he humiliated him. They're like, this is like the situation with now. She's writing him these long love notes about how, you know, he is her son and her moon. And for him, like he thinks it's funny, you know, he could have a bunch of friends around and say, hey, Natalie, like,

“like, will you go poo in a, in a bowl and then come bring it back to me and like she would do that, you know, like I think that's the type of situation.”

Yeah, it is, it does seem that there is kind of a very, that she's very subjugated in this relationship because she's very.

And I hear, but the thing that also I'm wondering about is where is this shit coming from? Do you think she might be a Russian spy? I'm asking that question without having an answer. I'm, that's a legitimate question which I posed to you. The guru of board jump. Where the fuck is this? I mean, okay, so she writes these very personal private notes.

She doesn't presumably make multiple copies of them and hand them out to the rest of the White House staff. She hands them to him. So, where are these copies coming from? Who is giving them to the daily beast? Who is quoting them to Maggie, Heyberman, and Jonathan Swan? I've got a working theory on this.

Yeah, I'd like to hear that working theory. I mean, you're supposed to be talking into really me and asking me questions, but I, that's the question. Yeah, that's the question. It's a two way dialogue. It's a weekend pod, you know, I unbuttoned a button. We're getting loose. And here's what I think. The Swan Hayer book was very specific in noting that she leaves these for him.

I think maybe there's something embarrassing about like handing him the letter. She's a little embarrassed. Maybe she knows somewhere in her subconscious that he's not reading them. John Trump doesn't read. If you like, be a very long. We'll put the link in the show. You can look at letters. They're very long. There's no way in which he's reading these. I'm Sam Stein was like, is she talking in code when she says cash register?

And I was like cash registers in paragraph 11. Donald Trump has did not make it that far. So if there was a code, he didn't get it. Yeah, all right. What I think is happening is she leaves them around. And there are people in the White House that hate her.

She's the conduit, but which people get things to Trump and Trump gets things out. So she pocket veto shit, you know, she prints out shit that they didn't want him to see. You know, whatever. Like, my guess is Susie Hatesher, Caroline Hatesher, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, they all hate each other. They're all very jealous of who has access to him.

“So that's what's happening. She leaves them around.”

One of them knows Trump isn't going to read it. Picks it up. Takes a picture or just takes it themselves. And she's continually trying to fight the staff that's trying to keep her away from the president. Right. I mean, that's why she's jumping in the trunk. That's quite a lot.

I mean, I'm sure the guard running past after the golf carts and so on and so forth. I mean, it was really, it harkens back. And I say this with the disclaimer that I do not believe these two are have caught Carl Wisdom of each other.

I think she serves a completely different function, which we can talk about. But it reminds me of, it reminds me of the Monaco Lewinsky episode, where in 98, if you recall, people in the White House basically knew that there was something on with this Chick Monaco Lewinsky in the president.

And they were very suspicious of it. She was always around the oval and at weird times.

And so what happened in 1996 was that the chief of personnel in the White House, her name is Evelyn Lieberman,

“basically transferred Lewinsky out of the White House, secunded her or I think what the government term is,”

center over to the Pentagon to work in the press office, where she faithfully met someone else who worked in the press office at the Pentagon. One Linda Tripp and the rest, of course, is history and that's totally completely backfire. You know, they wanted her away from the White House. In fact, I was one of the first people to hear famously or infamously the Linda Tripp tapes. And one of the things that's on those tapes is her bitching to Linda about how all the people in the White House wanted to get rid of her and finally succeeded in getting rid of her.

And there's a little bit of that flavor here. Yeah. You shared the tweet, which I did not remember this, this is you lived this. I was a child. So I don't remember the stories of this Don Van Nada, a great guy at Olympic Sports Reporter, but he had the scoop that Clinton wore a tie that Lewinsky had given him to a press conference.

It's like a secret message to her to like behave during the grand jury testimony or something. Yeah, that was that was a great story. Don and I are now friends, even though he outed me as one of the elves who wrote the Paula Jones brief. And I'm a front page of the New York Times, which got me in a lot of people at my law firm were really happy about that at the time. But, James, people being unhappy with you colleagues, it seems like that's a running story to be alive.

Yeah, absolutely not about that. But I did, you know, I mean, maybe I digress here, you can cut this out if you like. No, please digress. I hope you will hear from her. I found Linda Tripp her lawyer.

I never spoke to Linda Tripp, but I found Linda Tripp her lawyer.

And Linda Tripp's lawyer had to produce these tapes.

“So I think it was January 16, 1998, the day before Clinton's deposition.”

And so we're sitting in this lawyer's apartment. Because he needs to listen to the tapes to make sure he knew what was being produced to the government. We started listening to these tapes. And the thing I remember distinctly, I was eating a blueberry donut on the guy's living room table. And he's playing these tapes on his face, cassette tapes on his stereo.

And Linda is talking to Monica. Monica is bitching about how Evelyn Lieberman had her transferred out of a lighthouse to the pentagon. So she couldn't see the big creep, which was her nickname for Clinton. And the big creep, the big creep was her nickname for Clinton, the big creep. And then Monica tells the story to Linda about how she gets back into the White House one Saturday.

Our Sunday. And what used to happen, and this was in the Star Report, was that she would show up at the Northwest Gate. Early on a Saturday or Sunday morning. And everybody with the Secret Service, they let her in because she was authorized. Clinton put her on the visiting list.

And then they would watch the little dot on their screens that showed where the president was. The little dot would go down to the oval office for their assignment or whatever they were doing. But anyway, she tells the story of the one Saturday of Sunday, she did this. And she's bitching to Linda trip about how she was bitching to Clinton about they transferred me out of the White House to keep me away from you. And he said, "I'm sorry.

You know, with this was 96, they felt they needed to do this because he's running for reelection." Clinton said, "I'm sorry. They did that to you. I promise. I'm going to get you back here after the election." And Monica's told Linda, "Oh, thank you. That's great. I says to the president, "Can I come back as assistance to the president for blow jobs?" And that was...

This is... So give it your expertise in this area. You said something that peaked my interest, which was you don't think they're currently interested. I don't think she's serving another purpose. What purpose do you think she is serving him?

Ego management? Yes, Ego management.

“But in the extreme, I mean, I think that's what she did.”

She helped keep him sane during the criminal trial in 24.

And that's how we all got to know Natalie Hart for the first time.

I was in the courtroom in the back with Norm Eisen and the gang. And we're watching these proceedings, and they would come in every day. And she would print stuff out. One point she printed stuff out about me and Boris Epstein handed it to for some reason. Katelyn Collins.

“But that's how we got to know her and what she did was she printed stuff out to bring his spirits up.”

When everybody said, oh, he's so good. He's so smart. He's going to win the case. That's what she does. He lives in his own little world at this point, right?

He says all these things like, you know, on the podcast with Cohen last night. He says all these things that are just completely untrue. Like, completely fancible. Like, Iran was two weeks away from the nuclear weapon. I would win by 25% today if Iran for reelection.

All these things. That just he actually, I think, has gotten to the point where he has convinced himself of his lives. Which is what happens with malignant narcissism. Narcissists associate sociopathies.

Gradually they just begin to believe their own bullshit because the truth is too painful for them.

And that is the function that she serves is to is to indulge his fantasy world, where he lives apart from reality. And, you know, that is the significance of Natalie Hart. And that is the danger of Natalie Hart.

“She is the ultimate enabler of his psychosis.”

I mean, he is psychotic at this point. He is not perceiving reality. The way reality should be perceived. I think he really does believe. This is the renaissance of the American economy that we are going to control.

The straight to form moves very soon. And then I'm going to become the 51st state. I guess I don't know if water can become a state. And that's her function is to make. He's she's enabling and extending his psychosis, which is kind of a bad thing to have

with a president of the United States. Also sounds a little nice. No, I don't know. I mean, Katie or Anne Slidier, Jason, we're telling me that, you know, they're on worthy that I am the guardian that I am wonderful.

I would love that. I don't know if he does that to me. Of course. I know, but that that's the thing is. And he desperately needs that because he is such an extreme narcissist.

It reminds me of, and I should write a blog post about this. Are we starting my sub-steck? There's a writer named a psychologist, famous psychology named Eric Frong, who talked about malignant narcissists like Trump. Great evil people of history were malignant narcissists.

And they're basically says, they tip into psychosis. They're basically psychotic because they want to believe the fantasy world in which they control everything. And everything is about them.

And that's where Trump has always been headed.

And I think, at this point, he's not even close to reality. And that's just a scary thing. And we just, you know, I, I, and that's the thing that a little bothers me about the Natalie Harp episode is that people are treating this as a debate about whether it's,

a low blow by the Democrats, a low blow by awesoft. And we're really talking about we're maligning a poor young woman and we're talking about this on basis of whether or not they're having sex. When, in fact, I think J.V. wrote it the other day that that would be better if they were just having sex because it would just be, at least you could understand that.

At least it's in the realm of normal human comprehension. But this is psychotic on both sides that he, she worships him as some kind of deity. And he sucks that up and is. So it's been using her as a tool to create and maintain his own fragile reality

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“And I think let's just let's just be 90s Republicans for a second.”

Like whatever. We were that couple news stories happening this week with this party. The debt officially hit 40 trillion on Wednesday. I knew a high watermark. The national debt is grown by 11.6 trillion during Trump's two non consecutive terms.

More than any other president in history. At 20 trillion he said it was catastrophic for the country. I needed to be resolved. He was going to fix that in 2016. And then famously Elon Musk came in this time.

I talked about how big of a catastrophe this was. And you know how he was. And that was a budget. Yeah, he's the one man to fix it. He ended up just killing a bunch of kids in Africa.

And then keeping us on the trajectory of the highest debt in history. How worried should we be about this? I think we should be extremely worried about this. Particularly in an interest rate environment that is not favorable. I mean, the bond markets are tanking interest rates are going up because people fear inflation.

They fear that they don't trust our future anymore. And what happens is if you have more debt and the rate to refinance. You know, as the pressure is come due. The bond markets decide how much people are going to pay for treasury bills. And if they really need to pay less and interest rates go up.

The debt goes up because we're paying more and more interest on the debt.

“And that's what's happening is a very much a downward spiral.”

And I think, you know, we saw JD, Vance pretty much acknowledge that the other day when he was saying, "Why do we want to be the planets reserve currency anyway?" Right. And people are fleeing the dollar, they're fleeing treasuries. Right at the moment where we need to sell treasury bonds to finance these massive deficits that go on.

And that's just an astounding thing. I mean, I think when Barack Obama left office, the national debt was something like 25 trillion. So in 12 years, most, I mean, 10 years, mostly because of him. I think it was like 20, even. I think it's done.

No, I remember I used to, in one of the things I used to do on Twitter early on when I started going off on Trump. There's this account on Twitter called National debt tweets. Or national debt posts or something. And they basically every morning, every, every weekday morning or every day the markets open. They publish their estimate of what the US debt is on any given day.

And I used to tweet, like, "Okay, here's what it was on January 20th, 2017.

And here's what it is today. Today is just astounding. It's just absolutely astounding." And it's very, very scary. My message for Democrats on this because I do think that there is, this is stupid. But, you know, the country is stupid. I guess I saw somebody posting the other day, something like, "You, fiscal hawks have been warning about this since the '90s. That Social Security is going to become insolvent. And then we're going to become Greece."

It's like, "Well, actually, in the '90s, people were mostly saying, you know, around 2030, working Social Security's going to become insolvent." And this is going to be out of hand. And so we're coming up at 2030. But I think people are sick of hearing about it, and people don't think anything that matters. And it's anything that's going to be done about it anyway. And obviously, speaking of narcissists, the boomer and Gen X narcissists don't really seem to care about what that means for their children and the budget.

I think the lay for them. So what I think the Democrats should do and how people who care about this should talk about it is the bond market is complicated, but understanding what your mortgage rate does on your houses. Yes. Right. And just be like, "Look, guys, whatever you think about the national debt, like if we keep these deficits going, you're going to keep paying this high percentage on a new, you're not going to get a new home. You're not going to be on the downside. Your kids aren't going to get a home, like it is directly tied to the housing crisis.

“And I think that's probably the best way to maybe have a breakthrough."”

Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, I think somebody has to start taking responsibility for this. And neither party has done that over the years.

I mean, the first of all, Republicans really didn't mean it. All they meant was to do was to cut the budget when a Democrat is president.

And then they want to cut taxes for their friends when a Republican is president.

when they would propose something that they would absolutely be skewered by the Democrats.

I say, "You want to put children on the streets and someone and so forth."

“Yeah, kick granny off the cliff. And I think both parties overall over the last 50 or 60 years have really contributed our inability to handle our fiscal responsibilities.”

I would say that one time in the 90s, when you talk about the 90s, that was the one time where we actually balanced the budget or came close to it. We actually achieved some level of fiscal responsibility to a blockbox. Well, no, it was really because of the, it was because of the peace dividend, right? Because because of the collapse of the Soviet Union, we hadn't spent less. We didn't have to have try to have a 600-ship navy, like Ronald Reagan wanted to.

And we cut military spending because we didn't need to have as much all of a sudden. We had pretty much bounce, a bounce budget, but we couldn't stick to that. And the Republicans deserve every bit as much criticism more than that. I mean, they're probably, I mean, you look at the spending versus taxing for two Trump administrations.

It's just completely out of whack. He buying was basically responsible compared to Trump.

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I mean, you know, this is why I always believe that people were right when they said, you know, when politics isn't necessarily right to left.

“It really is more of a circle where the right and the left, the far right and the far left, meat at the top of the circle or the bottom of the circle as you may, however you may.”

And that's right. I mean, he's doing things that if AOC president, AOC or president Bernie Sanders, even thought about it, even news about it, people would, the right would go back to it. And we'd be listening to people listening to Fox News go on and on with hammers and sickles and whatnot for weeks. But, you know, if our leader of our great leader does it, our great orange leader does it, it's okay.

An interesting little, just small item of resistance that was happening against the great communist leader. I happened a couple of weeks ago, and it came from judge box of wine, Judge Janine. This is in Trump was trying to order that an Olympian be put into a Gulag because Trump imagined that he was the one that sabotaged his great reflecting pool and Judge Piero. Or now, Janine Piero and not judge anymore. It's kind of, I still like to call or judge kind of in the judge duties.

Like, you know, I like Judge box of wine. I like Judge box of wine, although she came in with Judge box, she came in as Judge box of documents apparently. Yeah, which was it?

“Do we know what is the latest with us, do you have any thoughts on that?”

You know, there's litigation about whether or not the dismissal should be with prejudice. The government's suicide sponte or on its own made a motion to dismiss the indictment without prejudice, which the lawyers for the Olympian, thought was unfair because that means it's theoretically some day if we found a new US attorney or he could be, this guy could be charged again for the same bullshit. And since the government is essentially admitting that the case was bullshit, the dismissal should be with prejudice.

I think an argument that's very, very strong. Other than that, I really have heard that I do, I mean, there was some tweeting, I think, or some truth socially where Trump was suggesting that the US attorney's office have another go at the guy, which is insane.

“Where do you add on just the blanch, DOJ, and kind of level fear level?”

I'm always grappling with this on the revenge part of this administration, which is, which contains like everything in this administration.

You know, like one part malice, one part like clownish and competence. And I feel like the revenge program has been more like nine parts clownish and competence, one part malice, like the C shells. But no, everyone is walking free, you know, Barack Obama, Jacob, for two months. Everybody, only the only person they caught that they got was Bolton, but that investigation actually began during the Biden administration. So, and there it's like what luck they got in there, I guess. Somebody on the list was already did something that he did something, but what he did was he wrote notes and kept his own personal diary that contained classified information or references to classified information.

These guys are real being really run a tight ship on that. Right, right, right, so the guy, the guy who actually took up crates of boxes of documents, like tons of documents, a room full of documents to his personal club in South Florida, and then hid them from the FBI, had his lawyers lie to the FBI about the documents and move them, trying to destroy camera footage of the moving in the concealing of the documents.

He's the president of the United States, who basically encourages this prosecution, can't make this stuff up.

I guess is the printer has some classified documents that she's not been handling appropriately. I mean, the additional reporting that Maggie did, that was, you know, since the book was like, one of the other reasons that there were concerns about her is that she's Trump's taking world leader calls and ends of calls on speaker phone and she's just there. She didn't fold back and that's the other thing about that. How do you go to work in the White House and refuse to have a background check repeatedly? She refused to undergo the background she refused to fill out, I think it's what the standard form 50 something that you're supposed to fill out when you don't want to.

It does, it does make you want to. I don't know where or brothers like in Nicaragua was like a left-wing freedom fighter was on CNN high as a kite, which is great. God love them, but it's like she comes out of nowhere all of a sudden she's around them all the time. I don't know, it's a little, it's suspicious.

Back to Blanch, really quick, but like what is your, what's your concern level, I guess, about the last two years when it comes to political prosecutions all that?

“Well, I just think we're going to see more of it. I mean, Blanch clearly does not give a shit about the rule of law. It doesn't give a shit about whether or not the justice department is used as a kind of weapon by the president.”

He basically is openly declaring that he will do whatever the president wants.

He's right in the sense that the president is the ultimate, you know, executive, and I don't think you have to believe in the unitary executive theory that gets liberals all excited to believe that, you know, at the end of the day, the president is responsible for what the justice department does and does not do.

“The thing that the justice department has to do is to provide justice and to lead to justice and part of that process, the in order to act as the enforcer of the laws you have to show that you're enforcing unfair fairly.”

Well, he doesn't want that to happen. I mean, I think the fundamental problem isn't that we have a unitary executive theory that that this has run a muck. It's really the fact that we have a executive who doesn't believe in obeying his office and doesn't believe in the law and doesn't believe in the constitution doesn't believe in government is anything but a weapon to boost his own finances and ego. That's the fundamental problem and and blanch the fundamental problem with blanch is he's he's good with that. He's absolutely good with that because he wants whatever he wants which is he to be attorney general the United States to be important to be powerful.

I think he never was, you know, he was just sort of a middling former assistant United States attorney with a not so, you know, this mediocre criminal law practice until he met Donald Trump and now he's attorney general in the United States, you know, that's what happens with these cacostocracies is that mediocre people rise to great power because they are willing to do what it takes to satisfy the whims of an exalted sociopathic.

And that's classic, that's classic authoritarianism and that's blanch it's right.

What's your level of alarm about the 2028? The thing that has me the most alarm right out that the blanch ties until is just you look at the power ministries and it's like you got blanch cash and the headset and it's pretty strange that the headset and cash or the two that haven't been fired. Yeah, you kind of look at the incompetent people they've been pushed out of other areas, but not there and man, I don't know that's the one thing that has my spidey sense tingle in a little bit besides the bunker he's building at the White House just so like he has his most loyal.

Hackish people adjust his defense FBI. Yeah, I think that's right and I think that he's going to pull some ship even maybe before 20 actually this year and connect in conjunction with the off-year elections and I think he's going to pull some shit in 2028.

“I mean, this man who who launched an insurrection in 2020, one, I agree with you, I'm very worried about it and what worries me most about it is there there is and I think the Democrats are going to do well in the midterms.”

There is just sort of this lathergy, this sort of acceptance of our fate among even among people who consider themselves as opposing Trump and you see it everywhere, just like, wow, we can't do anything about Trump, we should be worrying about affordability, it's like, well, how are you going to do that when this guy is starting wars that raise the price of gasoline and imposing towers that raise the price of consumer goods and food. Trump pretend that Trump doesn't exist because they feel that they can he's convinced them that they can't do anything about him, there's this kind of learned help us is what psychologists would call it.

And because of that learned help us is we reach this kind of, again, what psychologists would call a malignant normality where we're accepting things, we're accepting like a watergate level scandal every week he does something that's just incredibly.

It would be paralyzing of the amount of administration for a month or two or month or more end of the administration, but he, you know, it's just it's Tuesday.

I want to get into that broader discourse, but there was a particular example of this that you've already mentioned, which is the current president going on to Michael Cohen's radio show. Before the last residual election, he said that of Trump at Cohen, so that of Trump ever returned to the White House, he would change his name and flee the country. He's called Trump a racist, con man, everything. But yet last night he played, why can't we be friends by war and then welcome Donald Trump to the show and I want to play a couple clips of co.

And I have obviously traveled the pretty rocky road together. You remember, do you remember sir, when I went on CNN with Brianna Keeler and she told me that you were underwater in the polls and I responded with those famous two words says who. So maybe what we should do is then have a press conference and literally put out all of the accomplishments because what's happening. Boss, you remember when I was by your side. Boss, it's kind of like a fascist uncle Rico situation. I mean, I got to say, I mean, they all did Saturday night live there.

“You should particularly with the lead in and the sick of fancy, it was a parody of itself.”

I will say this also at the same time, why that was amusing. I mean, the absurdity of the suck upery and then the lead in which we're colon made it all about himself. It's not about the country, about what Donald Trump is doing to the country. The last ten years of his relationship, his personal relationship with Donald Trump. And now you get to see the reconciliation.

It was all about him. Very, very narcissistic. It was it was comical at the same time two or three a few minutes into the interview. It was boring because Trump has this flat affect now. He's got his low energy dawn and he's just repeating the same bullshit over and over again.

It's like, oh, they were two weeks away.

“Iran was two weeks away from a nuclear weapon.”

And then Cohen's like, wow, why don't you tell the world that that's amazing.

This is a new revelation for our program. You even said that on CNN, yesterday that, oh, that's a really big revelation about Iran. It's like, no, no, they made that argument months ago and everybody laughed at it because it wasn't true. And then, you know, he's saying Trump is saying, I would win by 25 points today. If I were running for real action and the economy is in a new Renaissance, we've got more job.

And it's better than ever. And Iran no longer has a nuclear program and we're going to control the straight of Hormuz. You know, again, it's all very, very delusional. And the whole thing is just this exercise in reciprocal narcissism. What was interesting, I thought, too, was there was an interview that Cohen did yesterday,

late in the day on CNN with Jake Tapper.

And he basically admitted there, Cohen.

He said, I haven't asked the president for a pardon, but he expressed great disappointment, which he has done in the past with the fact that he applied for a pardon during the Biden years. And he had people like Jamie Raskid and Norm Eisen and a lot of other people, liberals saying that he deserved a pardon. And the Biden.

You did the crime, you do the time, Michael. Yeah, we did the time, you did the time. So I don't really, you know, I don't, it doesn't. He was denied the pardon, of course, and then of course, Joe Biden, pardon Hunter. I can't say that Michael is completely wrong in being resentful of that.

“I think his complete being obsessed with that and being very angry and letting it rule.”

His life is excessive. But he, you know, he comes in with that attitude. And then he also feels tremendously exposed when when his former boss becomes president again, because my God, he's going to be high on this show. He immediately starts turning pivoting.

And Tara Palmario was on with her last night on Anderson Cooper show.

Tara Palmario basically said that Cohen asked her for the president's phone number,

because every journalist in town has it. And said, I know how to, I know how to get back in his good crisis. And he did. And the way it is is he said, you listen to the guy you pretend he's right. And I, they weaponized me to the way the way they weaponized the government.

It's so pathetic. It's like a pathetic little lap dog. It's so degrading. He's like laughing.

What crumpy could up. It works. I know. But here's the thing.

“If I felt like Michael was pulling the wool over Trump's head.”

And he was pretending. He's faking it. And he was using Trump's narcissism against him. I would be against that. I could accept that whatever.

This is a strategy. That's why I looked at that video. People can turn on the YouTube version. And he is giddy. He's like a giddy little Yorkie.

What kind of dogs do you have? He's in court. He's in court. He's in court. He's in court.

He's in court. He's in court. He's in court. Yeah. He's in court.

He's in court. He's in court. Yeah. Yeah. How much would you like to be?

Please pat me. Please pat me. Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's Michael Cohen.

That's my point about Michael Cohen. I mean, look, you have two narcissists. Right?

“Trump is the most extreme narcissists you will ever imagine.”

But he is a malignant narcissist because he's a sociopath. And he wants to destroy everything deep down psychologically. He's a very, very dangerous man. Michael Cohen is just your run of the mill. Neared well.

Narcissus. Who just wants to be in the thick of things.

Just feels that he's never gotten his just desserts.

And he's just looking for a home. He wants somebody to love him. He's he is like that puppy dog that you just described that needs to be loved. And that's to admit to me that that is pathetic. It makes me feel sorry for Michael in a way that I could never possibly feel sorry for Donald Trump.

And I'll tell you a story which I mentioned last night on CNN, which is he, you know, he's looking for affirmation wherever he can get it this guy. Cohen. Right? He didn't get enough affirmation from the left.

He got a show on the night as touching out work. I don't know. He didn't pretty good. He did. But it wasn't enough for him.

And then. And now he's looking for him. He's looking for affirmation wherever he can get it. I'll give you an example. And again, I don't say this.

I like Michael in the sense that I feel sorry for him. And I don't have anything against him.

He's always been nice to me.

So I, you know, looking at him from that narrow perspective. I don't, I don't want to go out and dump on Michael. But here's a funny story. You know, I have my ill-fated run for Congress in earlier this year. And in January, announced it on January 6th, then Michael kept contacting me.

And he wanted to help me help my campaign. He said, let's go out for coffee. Let's walk the streets together. Let's, you know, people, people like beyond the east side. They'll see you and that I can help you.

And it's sort of amazing because I remember getting off the phone with him. And now I'm looking at my phone and I'm seeing some kind of alert for a new story that says that Michael Cohen is now claiming that he was pressured in to giving the testimony at the Stormy Tangers. And I'm like, what is going on here?

And I, you know, I didn't think he could really help me along. You know, it's politically, you know, I was very flattered and grateful that he was be nice. But it was like, it was totally weird because you could see him. He was in the middle of his pivot.

And he's helping. He wants to help a guy who's basic platform is that the thought present in the United States should be impeached and removed and then prosecuted and sent a jail for the rest of his life instead of spending it on a guitar. He donated 747 and in the White House in a ballroom.

Amen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he just wants attention. That's a pathetic situation.

Would you do this? How would you handle this? I don't know if you hypothetically, let's say, I don't know. Kind of a anti Trump pro democracy, a YouTube channel provided you a show in the future.

“Would you be interested in having the president on?”

Oh, absolutely. And I was, I was ready to say that on Anderson show. With the conversation, didn't get there. But I wanted to say, um, to the president of the United States. Look, I expect to be starting up a new podcast with something like what you just described

I don't know. I don't know where it would be. I don't know what kind of organization there would be that would have such a podcast. I don't know.

And I would love to have president Donald J. Trump as my first guest.

Can you spend the time reminiscing about all the good times you had to do? Oh, my God. About the aging trial case. And I love talking about the psychological aspect of things. I've become kind of an amateur psychologist.

I love to talk about the Montreal cognitive assessment test. The one he keeps taking in the nature of it with him and asking why he's been taking that so many times. And of course, we were talking about Natalie Harp and the important functions that she serves with him. And I agree, Mr. President, it's crazy that they're saying that you are having sex with her. We know that couldn't possibly be true.

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We're rooting for it. Yeah. Just to close in a series. Because I have some thoughts about this.

It was never like the hipsters that were the Trump resistance.

There was always a category of people on the obviously people on the right. I hated the resistance. There's always a category of people on the left that would like to talk about this as a pejorative. You know, MSNBC resistance, windmills. They just all they do is orange man bad.

And so after Alex Fennman, I've got to have a lot of four lost. His four-to-primeary, you know they're lumping you in. They're talking about Cohen. There's a lot of people that are kind of saying like, your resistance one is over. You know, that didn't work or whatever.

What do you say to that critique? I don't know exactly what the theory of it is. But I do think there is something to be said for the proposition that people are exhausted by Trump, including people who oppose Trump. And they don't want to hear about Trump.

And one of the things that I was fighting over the last several months.

I mean, I had a lot of problems. Some of the problems like, you know, to make an argument that you're not a politician. Only a good politician can make that argument and win. People don't want to hear about Donald Trump. Even people who say they despise Donald Trump.

They do not want to hear about Donald Trump. They want to close the end, which I can't blame them because it's unpleasant. But it just gets us deeper into the whole. We're sleepwalking into it into situations. It works.

And we're getting more accepting of it. It is it's the narcissism. As you say of the baby moomer and Gen X era. Is that the people just they just like, I'm going to just focus on my own thing. I'm going to focus on my job.

I'm going to focus on my social media. I'm going to focus on everything. Yes, piano. I'm going to focus on everything. But politics.

It's just a lot of noise. And and that's very, very dangerous to our democracy. And that is actually what scares me more than having cash, Patel and Pete Hegseth in the power ministries as you as you described. They the apathy, the complete lack of historical perspective that we are at a stage in our democracy of decline.

That people don't want to face up to that. And that people want to turn away from that. And don't want to engage in the kind of collective action that's necessary to turn things around. That to me is the most dangerous thing about the current moment. I agree with the danger, but it's a weekend, so I'm going to end on a positive.

You want to pause. Okay.

“Here's what I think about this discourse.”

I think that some of it is silly. Social media talk and it's personal jellies and beef and whatever. And I think there are two good things that have happened in our happening. Number one to all of the resistance folks out there to the women's march to the no kings people. If you're gliding north star, the last decade was the orange man is bad.

And that's the most important thing that faces the country right now.

You are correct. Can you be being proven correct? Yes. Every time everybody thinks that is proven correct. If you go back to 2016 and you find like the most caricatured outlandish kind of you almost want to roll your eyes at it.

Oppaid or commentary piece about what is going to happen if Donald Trump becomes president. It's been 50 times worse. It's been worse. That has been totally vindicated. So I think everyone who's involved at all in any resistance, whatever number we're on, should be all vindicated about it. Absolutely.

Eventually we'll win. Absolutely. I think it's totally rational for democratic voters in a primary to look at Donald Trump having won a second time. And thank we need to do new shit. And I don't think that's bad either.

“I think that's how I both those things can live together harmoniously that there is a continued fight against Donald Trump.”

That is that we need people like George and others for over the next two years. And also the democratic party needs to kind of assess how it got into a place that voters wanted him again and maybe try new strategies and effect. Both those things are true. And I don't think that they need to beat live as in conflict with one another. Yeah, that's right.

I mean, I don't want to go all J.V. J.V. last on everybody. But you know what what I just said and what you just said, I think actually coexist. Right. Because we need more of that.

I mean, we need more people that are that are, that are, you know, that are again. And it may well be that things have to get worse before they get better.

And that's that I've felt that for a very long time.

But the problem is we're so far beyond the moment where I thought everything would turn around and people will say,

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“I think we'll be hearing more from you soon.”

We'll see how that goes. Everybody else.

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