Jane Coaston: We Have Some Questions, Melania

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back Jane Coston, Go Blue, coverage off the Michigan Championship in your sweatshirt. Yep, yep, it's been great. I have successfully fixed my Instagram algorithm to only give me material about Michigan doing things that I like. Like it's funny how Instagram and a certain video just keep giving you what you want to see.

And sometimes that can be like really bad because you'll click on one depressing thing and it'll keep giving you more depressing things. But right now it's just all good Michigan vibes and things about running and other stuff

“I'm into and nothing that I need to not know, which that's why I have to check Twitter”

for all the things I don't want to know. I had some school parents tell me that they were upset because they didn't really know that I was a content creator and then all of a sudden I came up on their Instagram. And so I go, that's interesting.

So they started watching me and so like now all they're getting is never Trump content

and they're real. And they're like, I need to re-train my, I love you, I need to re-train my algorithm. And I'm like, please, if I feel this won't be hurt, you know? Do it. Yeah, they don't need full mightest touch in their in their in their feet.

As mentioned, you know, I'm I'm going to be a little loose today. All right. I'm I'm already mentally out on the polo grounds and so luckily the first lady of the United States float us, gave us I think something that we can really just just kind of experience all together.

You know, I want to, I want to marinate and our Slovenian first lady. She summoned reporters yesterday to the White House to give a surprise statement about Epstein. Nobody knew what it was going to be. Nobody knew why they were being summoned.

That seems like her husband didn't even know that she was going to do it. She believed him, which is a big F. I don't know that I can, I'm adept enough at creative writing and creative speaking to explain to people to paint the picture for people.

“I think it's like beyond my limitations.”

And so I think we should just watch it together. How does that sound? It sounds great. Okay. Did you experience this yesterday like I did with people texting you look like you're

phone going like eight texts of what is happening right now? What is that? What is Melania doing? Is that how you experienced it? I experienced it live in the cricket offices because we had televisions on and I watched

a group of people, including the young men of Potts of America and our beloved colleagues. All watching this, trying to figure out what is happening and why is this happening? Like there are lots of moments in politics where someone like tries to answer a question no one asked and then thus leads to more questions, there's lots of examples of that. Like I feel like Eric Adams did that like twice a week but this was I think the most prominent

example especially because it was coming from someone who is noted for very, really speaking. Yeah.

“The I was not introduced to my husband by Jeffrey Epstein and I didn't know anything about”

his crimes and all of the other things she says during this event. It was a real like all of these things I am saying on my t-shirt really raised a lot of questions about why I'm wearing the t-shirt. It was. It was.

So I'm hoping that you have a little bit of extra clarity now after 20 hours, never being

able to sleep on it. Let's watch Melania together and we'll just kind of annotate it. Feel free to jump in and you see anything that catches your eye. I never been friends with Epstein, Donald and I were invited to the same parties as Epstein from time to time, since overlapping in social circles is common.

Okay, let's stop there. Let's stop here. Let's stop here. Let's pause it. So we begin by saying I've never been friends with Epstein, which as you said is very

much a, this is like we are starting from a jump. I also appreciate that she knows we don't need to know which Epstein. We are not thinking like, oh, Mark? No, no. It's not.

Also, like, I'm aware that this is just a vocal cadence thing, so, but it is interesting. She's like, you know, overlapping social circles, which is very common. It's just someone wrote this for her. Like there was a team of people. She's got staff.

She is a team of people who wrote this and I want to know everything about them. Yeah. Everything.

get out there, summon the press, yeah, and just be like me and Epstein, not friends. Let's continue.

“To be clear, I never had a relationship with Epstein or his accomplice, Maxwell.”

My email to apply to Maxwell cannot be catarist, has anything more than casual correspondence. Okay, this is not true, which I just say, you know, she comes up, she's like, I made a polite reply to going Maxwell, but that's not right, actually. She emails Maxwell proactively and then use some terms of affection. She signed a love malania.

Also, no one was asking about this. Like this was something like, I was kind of aware that there was an email, but I was kind of like, you know, there's a lot of emails in there. I was like, yo, there are other people, other fish metaphorically to fry in his emails. No one was like, let's really focus on this one, but now I, now I have, again, I didn't

have questions. And now I have so many questions. You know, right, as you mentioned, the, I'm not linked to the serial Child Psych's Traficer T-shirts, since there are a lot of questions that are already answered by my T-shirt.

Okay, we, we will press forward.

“I have some theories about why she's actually doing this now and nobody knew we're”

putting things together, you know, here in the Airbnb, I have put up kind of like an ad

hawk clerk board, and we'll get to that in a second, but I want to hear a little bit more

from the first lady about what she had to say to the nation. Mm-hmm. My polite reply to her email doesn't amount to anything more than a tribal note. Okay, I'm sorry we have to stop here first, and I got in trouble on this yesterday. Okay.

I got in trouble about it, a lot of mega people are mad at me, so even my own friends are mad at me. But as I was watching this, there are many things that are going through my brain, but as I watch that moment, where she talks about how her email to Glenn Maxwell was nothing more than a tribal note, I was like tribal, what she's trying to say, trivial, trivial.

Trivial. Trivial. Trivial. And I do just have to say, her English has gotten worse. Her English has gotten significantly worse, and you know, we have, I'm sure immigrants

listening to this podcast, my husband's trying to get rid of his West Virginia accent, he's doing pretty well, not judging anybody based on their accent. I mispronounced sovereignty yesterday on the podcast, that happens, but I do think it a global level, like the movement that is essentially an American first movement that

is obsessed with talking about assimilation, and wants to deport 100 million people, and

is trying to, you know, ensure that the country is more homogenous. It is pretty strange that the wife of the president representing that movement can't speak English really. Like she's reading a speech, you forget that the movement has a exception for models, or former models, or people who could model, that the model exceptions are really big

assurances. They're English-speaking models. That is very true. English is quite poor. She's been in the country 35 years, 35 years, like there a lot of people have been in

the country far less than that who have learned English.

“She could get a tutor, you would think down a moral argument, what else is she doing?”

She could practice, you don't have to say anything about this. I'm going to leave this here. You don't have to say anything. I'm just going to make my luck on it. You just take a sip of your drink, all I'm saying is that sip of your drink that you're

doing right now, that is what all of the prominent media figures in America were doing. After I sent that tweet yesterday, because I have the largest discrepancy between likes that you now can't see anymore, that they're secret, versus retweets, like my plain landed. It was like you have 342 likes from priority Twitter accounts, and you have three retweets.

So people don't like to talk about it.

People don't like to talk about the fact that the first lady can't speak English or reading

English very well. And I'm just, you know, I'm just, I'm drinking my lacroye. I just would like it to mean enough for the record. Let's continue. So that's going to end here.

I am not abstinced victim. Abstin did not introduce me to Donald Trump. I met my husband by chance at the New York City Party in 1998. Poise, quick, Poise, quick, Poise. I had to Google this when it happened.

He was married in 1998 to the second wife.

This initial encounter with my husband is documented in a detail in my book, Melania.

We didn't read your book, Melania. We didn't. I understand that you're annoyed because you did detail this in your book, but we didn't read your book.

“I think we could all admit we didn't read the book, and I did not watch the Amazon documentary.”

I'm so sorry. I'm aware that there was homework. I didn't do it. There's five more minutes of it, but I feel like you get the gist at this point. I mean, I'm not sure the word abstine.

It's one of those trueisms in communications that if somebody levels an accusation against you that is untrue, then you're pushing back against it, you're not supposed to repeat the accusation. This is like Christ's communications 101 because then people have video of you repeating the thing, but you're saying that you didn't do it.

It's like, she's like, I did not know abstine. I was not abstine victim, I mean, she talks about abstine in next, well, more than anyone from the administration has talked about them for the entire term. That is, again, why I completely believe that Donald Trump had no idea about this because I would guess that they speak what like twice a week, like unless something's going on

with Baron, you know, Baron starting a year, but I'm not taking somebody like, you know, maybe they to talk about that, but like, I would imagine that there are communications, when I was going up in Ohio, all of my perceptions of what New York was like was based on movies, and I assumed that New York couples just had like two giant bedrooms and opposite sides of giant departments, and we just sort of interact in the middle somewhere because

apparently I thought everybody was a wasp, I don't know, but this is how I assume that they do everything. So like, Trump not knowing about this, which he said that I completely believe 100% saw some reporting that the press who were gathered for that didn't know what was coming up.

“And then everyone like Fox News is like, why were we here?”

What's going on? And now Fox News today is like, you know, Melania's just got a team of lawyers. She's ready to go, and I'm ready to go for what? Where are we going? I'm excited.

Luckily for you, I woke up early this morning and I've been going deep into a rabbit hole on that.

So I will answer that question, but first on the matter of whether Donald and Melania

speak famously Donald Trump does not like interpersonal conflict. I know this is a very strange thing for people to understand. I can see that. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, that makes sense.

He loves making a fun of people on his bleeds on his social media, we're going to get to that. He loves tacking people on in performative WWE settings, but like in his personal life, he does not like conflict.

“So I think he basically lives his life just like trying to ensure that Melania isn't”

mad at him. So that means talking to us a little as possible. That's fine. And if that means she is just going up and doing stuff, Donald's not calling her, I don't think afterwards, and being like, babe, what was up with that?

Did you have to do that? Did you run that by me? No, that's not that conversation isn't happening. Maybe in like a month, you'll do the Trump thing, whether I get a table of 10 people of Marlaga, when there's some other coogers and some cabinet members, and maybe a spy at

the table, and he'll do like the past progresses, like that was kind of strange when my wife did that. Didn't she, wasn't it? But he won't be talking to her directly. That's how he deals with people.

Here's what we got.

Here's what my research has developed this morning.

At that party in 1998, where Melania met Trump, allegedly, according to her book, Melania. She was introduced by a man named Palo Zampoli, he's an Italian supermodel agent, naturally. Are you aware about the other scandal that he's been involved in over the past month? Oh, yes, he's working very hard on, or has successfully, I believe, gotten his ex-wife deported.

Yeah, let me read that for people, Zampoli, a former modeling agent, turned presidential special envoy, naturally, reached out to a top official at immigration and customs enforcement, explaining that his ex, Amanda Ungara, was in the country illegally. He asked the agent if she could be put into ice detention, because that could help him get his son in their custody battle.

Tim, I'd also like to back up for a second. Yes, Josh. How old was this woman when they met? I didn't get that far down the rabbit hole. You tell me.

Just double check, because I was-- Was it for this? Yep. Palo's input digits, let's get it right. I have verified this with the New York Times.

I'm here just 19 and a half. She was 17, and he was 32. Well, Megan Kelly supports that. That's not really pedophilia. It is not, but not good.

sat at Melania's table during dinner at Trump's first inauguration.

So these are just fun little pieces of information. So, I have the inauguration was the first one-- An Epstein model procure, as well as the man that introduced Melania allegedly to Trump. It was also a model agent, the last procure, who met his then wife when she was under 18.

She got it. Her and Melania were friends. I want to do a little bit more on what's happened here. So this is official called the local agents in Miami and detained Amanda and Garo, the aforementioned 17-year-old who had been married to Trump's friend Paula.

She has since been deported to Brazil. And Garo has been posting a lot on social media lately. Amanda from Brazil, they still do the internet down there, here a couple of recent tweets at Melania. "I will tear down your corrupt system, even if it's the last thing I do in my life.

“I will go all the way, I'm not afraid, maybe you should be afraid of what I know of who”

you are and who your husband is." She also sent a tweet at Pam Bondi asking if she fully understands the extent of the information she possesses regarding the individuals associated with her. And that includes some pictures of a very young looking Melania on that tweet. And supposedly she has taped an interview with Spain's L.P. airing this weekend.

So I think that we've uncovered why Melania gave the impromptu press conference for old friend Amanda, a role-modeling friend who was procured by an agent when she was under age and then married the agent and was since deported by the agent using his access to Trump. That woman is aggrieved and apparently has some things to say.

You would have done none of this research.

You would have been preparing for a festival experience, the likes of which you had never

had before. If Melania Trump had not said, "You know what?" We should talk about this, but we should also not talk about this. We should also be very obtuse. The level of opacity is just like...

I would not be currently following Amanda and Garo in social media if it was not for that press conference. I would not have seen those tweets talking about how she will go all the way to ensure that people know who Melania is and who her husband is and what they did back in their playboy days.

So we'll see, Melania does say we should mention that she's calling on Congress to provide the women who have been victimized by obscene of public hearing.

“And I think that she's going to get her wish next year when the Democrats take control”

of Congress. We'll see how that turns out for her. We'll try to move on to her husband, unless she had anything else on that. Nope, there's so much... so much in that to delf. But that's pretty good.

We went pretty late. I mean, that's 22 minutes. I think there's something about a faction on Melania that's more of Melania coverage than she's received since I took it off of the pot. So I guess mission accomplished on the press conference.

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That's better at GLP.com/the bowlwork. Trump problems with the maga podosphere. That was also started with Epstein. So it's a little bit of a connection here. I was interested, a lot of the maga pod guys are mad at them, and women, Tim Poole, yesterday

posted this. He's the fellow that wears a little beany all the time, even in the summer, because he's bald.

And he's always prepared for civil war.

He's always prepared for civil war. He posted a lot about civil war. Yeah. Anyway, he posted this dude in all caps. What if it turns out it was Trump the whole time with Epstein and the Democrats had nothing

to do with it? Wow.

“What if that was quite that it's quite the breakthrough?”

That's something to think about, Tim Poole. Why did Tim Poole send that? Well, in part the Malani press conference, but also the Trump this Trump bleat. It is very long, but it's kind of important that I read most of it. So before I get comfortable, have your the crew, I would you have any thoughts on this

Trump bleat before we get to it where he goes full bore, whole hog against the mag commentators who are upset about his or on the war. I would just like to note that the great Abbey Philip and others have provided endless

berole of him saying how amazing all of these people are.

He loves and has cared for all of them. I have said at one point that they're all great and he wrote, you know, he thinks all of them are awesome until about like 24 hours ago. Does he shower that often? I don't think so.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding. He really smells bad. We talked yesterday at the end of the album about how he does, I kind of how his experience of relationships is like that of a baby who does not have object permits. Like the relationship is a relationship just based on whether that person has been nice

to them and like the very second that they're in front of his face. So I think that explains how to this. Okay. Here we go. The dramatic reading of the Trump leap.

I know why Trucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace Owens and Alex Jones have all been fighting me for years, especially by the fact that they think it is wonderful for Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror to have a nuclear weapon because they have one thing in common, low IQs. I'm just going to pause there.

Maybe we learned a little bit while I'm the Lonnie's English is so bad. You know, I host a daily podcast where we have to quote the president quite a bit. One of the most challenging things is there's kind of a general thing in news that if it's the president, you can't edit him. So you can't do internal cuts of the president, which is really hard when the president

writes like beat poetry, like at no point in the phrase that you have just said or in

“the next, let's say, you need to go about another one, two, three, four, five, six, nine”

words before you get to a period. Well, I skipped those nine words because I can edit him and I was trying to convince this as much as possible. So we're going to get the next sentence to just a start, okay, see you guys, just make sure every following.

Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace Owens, Jones have one thing in common, low IQs. They're stupid people. They know it. They're families know it. And everyone else knows it too.

They've all been thrown off television, lost their shows, and aren't even invited on TV anymore. Most of the point thing, because nobody cares about them. They're nut jobs, trouble makers, and we'll say anything necessary for some free and cheap publicity.

Now they think they get some clicks because they have third rate podcasts, but nobody's talking about them. And their views are opposite of maga, or else I wouldn't have one at the presidential election in a landslide, maga agrees with me, and just gives CNN 100% approval rating of Trump, not hand flailing fools like Tucker Carlson, who couldn't even finish college.

She was a broken man when he got fired from Fox, and he's never been the same, perhaps

“you should see a good psychiatrist, or crazy Candace Owens who accuses the highly respected”

First Lady of France of being a man when she is not, and will hopefully win lots of money in the ongoing lawsuit. Maybe to me, the first lady of France is a far more beautiful woman than Candace. In fact, it's not even close. These so-called pundits are losers.

I don't return their calls because I'm too busy on world and country affairs. And after a few times they go, quote, "Masty," just like Marjorie Trader Brown, but I know longer care about that stuff. That's the president of the United States. And you didn't even get to the maga and Kelly, thank you.

Yes, gift over. I was trying to focus on the highlights. Yeah. I can get into here. One, all of this is, like, I think Tucker Carlson has been in regular contact with Trump,

visited him twice in two weeks, is constantly around. I think it's important to get at something, because I think that I've seen this air be made, which is that he is 100% correct, that maga agrees with him.

maga represented something that was larger than Donald Trump.

That has never been true.

I actually wrote a piece for National Review in 2017. Are you getting that? I know. I know.

“Are you still getting your requests for pieces from our pet pieces from those boys?”

Sadly not. But, you know, my door is always metaphorically open. But, like, there have been a lot of people, and you recall, there were a lot of people who have projected things on to Donald Trump for years. And he's the most yes and president ever.

Like, he will agree with whatever it is, and then just sort of ignore you for a while. I think he's doing that a lot less now, but like in his first term, it was kind of like we're going to get healthcare for everybody, and I'm the most pro LGBT president ever. I also love evangelicals. I also hate bombing, but I'm going to bomb the shit out of everyone.

Like, it was a very like, if you wanted something out of him, he was going to say he would give it to you. And so I do think that there are people, including Tucker Carlson, or can't do so once or something like that, who are like, when he says all of this, what he means is like,

he supports me personally. - Can I say add one other thing to that? In addition, that Trump is 100% right, that MAGA is just a Trump cult. I think that there's some other parts of America first.

We talked about that. People who aren't like the MAGA, the core MAGA. But I also think Trump,

I just, you never have to hand it to Trump or ISIS.

But Trump is also 100% correct in his criticism. These people, the best part about this debate for me is that Trump's attacks on Tucker are correct. And Tucker's attacks on Trump are correct. Which is nice, neither both of them are bad,

both of them have many other wrong views. But when speaking about each other negatively, they both manage to have moments of lucidity. And that's nice. - I also think that it's interesting

that Trump has all of these people over a barrel. And he knows it because all of them Megan Kelly, literally said Trump could drop a nuke. And I would still vote for a Republican over a Democrat because God knows why.

Like, Tucker Carlson, it's like, oh, you know, I still love him. - He's like the one exception.

- Does he have truck cover over the barrel?

- I don't know. There's a poll that came out to the Tucker's a fav on faith in the Republican base. It's just kind of interesting. It's 31 fav, 24 on favs.

That's like pretty hot. - Yeah. - Yeah. - For Tucker? - Well, I mean, his favorite ability to go worse, though, could Tucker start to find something.

- Yeah, his favorite bill has dropped among Republicans by 47 points. So he gets positive favorability with Republicans, but he has dropped dramatically. - Yeah.

“- I think Trump is aware that people want to use him for things.”

And he is fine with that until he's not fine with that. Tucker, in my view, wanted to use Trump as a vehicle by which he could get his specific, wasp populism into politics. His view that there are too many people here,

too many Brown people, why would all the Brown people leave? So he could just fish in peace. And whatever can to someone's has going, which has been deeply concerning for a really long time, a Republicans should have seen it,

but Republicans cannot resist an African-American saying, you were right, the whole time, they can't do it. They are physically unable to do it. It can't be done. And so they were real vulnerable to that.

Megan Kelly, she was on NBC and then she got a podcast and then she just got married. But I think that there have been a lot of people who have attempted to use specifically Tucker, as I think there's a very smart person

on Twitter when I'm looking at the tweet right now, who said a lot of people, especially on the left, who put a lot of stock in seeing this man, Tucker Carlson, as a cipher for what Maga believed and as a glimpse into its future should be reevaluating things

to say the very least. Which I think is true.

“I think that Tucker believes he was using Trump.”

Trump believes he was using Tucker, and I only think that Trump was correct in that. Like in the relationship here, one person was actually getting used and it wasn't who they thought it was.

- See, there's lots of disaggregate there. But there's one important point that you're making that, I don't think I talk about it off, which is that the message that Tucker is offering right in this moment is actually more appealing

to like anti-Israel anti-war leftists that it is to the median Fox viewer. - Right, oh, 100%. - Right, and I'm just talking about this just purely based on like, who's been more likely to share

a Tucker Carlson clip, or to be the like, wow, you're not hearing this from anyone else. - Right, like somebody who's on the far left, it doesn't like the Democratic Party and has some legit, obviously legit critiques visceral.

Like, somebody like that, being like, wow, even Tucker is saying this, strange news start for Tucker. Like, that is that person more likely to share to clip recently or, you know, your 60 year old,

I don't know, Jenx, boomer, Caspur, Uncle,

who just like watches, you know, Brett Bear and Sean Hannity. Like who's been more likely to share a Tucker?

“Like, obviously left, and so that, I think,”

is important for just both analyzing, like, what is happening in our politics? But, and it's also important, because I think it's a little dangerous, because I'm worried that Tucker's appeal

to that group on the left is gonna take people down a pretty bad pipeline, but also kind of puts a damper on this idea of, like, Tucker's gonna take over the party. It's like, maybe, I mean, he's super talented. And if this war, like, really goes belly up,

like, really bad, then, like, Tucker's baby gonna be the person sitting there holding the bag and, you know, that happened right for Trump. Essentially, like, Trump was, you know, ended up kind of being the beneficiary of the fact

that eventually the entire Republican base just turned on Bush and Bushism. So if that happens for Trump, then Tucker's definitely sitting there looking pretty. And so it's empty G, but like, I was over right now,

like, that hasn't happened yet. Like, like, Trump is losing his Padbro base and the young man base that he brought in. Like, he's not really losing the core of his Padbro base, so at least not yet.

- No, I think it's important. Like, maga is, again, maga are the people who don't just go to the concert. They're like, buying merch at the concert. Like, the $40 sweatshirts where you're like,

you know, you can find this online. Like, it's way cheaper if you find it somewhere else. Like, they are fans of Trump. It is a, I mean, it's a stand relationship. And it's one that's so contingent on what Trump wants

and Trump's whims and not like, oh, what kind of get out of him? Every couple of months there's like, oh, you know, will maga turn on him?

No, that will never happen.

The thing is, like, the people who voted for Donald Trump is a much wider slice of the voting pie than maga. It just is, like, the percentage of, like, hardcore maga people had never been and will likely never be that big.

But there are lots of people who kind of go in and out and in and out, like, you know, I voted for Trump for the specific reason. Or, you know, in the first term, I was, I voted for him because of judges.

I voted for him over abortion issues. I voted for him over the specific things. Like, it was a lot of times on logical things. Like, I supported him because I was mad about what the lips did during COVID when it's like Trump's president

“during COVID, but whatever, like, you know what I mean?”

Yeah, the time based continuum, I was apparently irrelevant here. But there was like a sense of, like, a transactional relationship between you and the president. Yeah, right.

And I think that maga does not have that. Maga, that the transaction is he exists. I am given fulfillment, that's all I need. And so I think the challenge is that, like, yeah, Tucker Carlson has a massive audience,

but his audience is, I think increasingly more people who hate both parties, but especially hate Democrats because it does seem to be that kind of people. I'm sure you've seen online.

There's that amazing graph that's like,

who's fault is it? And it's like, did Republicans do it? Well, it's probably a Democrats fault. Like, it's just the degree to which, like, Democrats are responsible for absolutely everything,

while Republicans are just sort of like-- Right, they're the others of agency. I think one of the things in the post was a lie. I need to correct something I said earlier, where every critique that he offered of Tucker and Alex

and maga, most correct. Because when he said about Candace, that he, to him, actually, the first lady of France is a far more beautiful woman than Candace, I am going to have to call bullshit on that. I don't know the Trump's dick works anymore,

but I do think that if he was forced to choose, who to watch shark week with, I find it hard to believe he's going to pick Brigitte Macron.

“I mean, I think that Trump is lightly afraid”

of Brigitte Macron, and I would 100%-- there was that whole incident where she, like, allegedly slapped her husband on a plane and they got off the plane. It was so good.

It was so good. So I am staying out of all of that-- the relative, the relative-- You're standing on the one side of you. Anyone involved in this conversation is--

that's a drain, I'm not circling, no things like that. You're in the center of the human condition. I'm an observer of the human condition. I just don't need to comment on the human condition all the time. But I have been from one thing, quite entertained

by Alex Jones being like, we got a 25th Amendment. Like, his ankles are swollen, he is out of his mind. God must get involved here. I've only seen-- there have been only a couple of times in which Alex Jones has been genuinely befuddled

by someone else's insanity. It's this and the time Kanye came on a show. That's the most baffled eye I've ever seen Alex Jones-- for the record, what Alex Jones does is performance art, he has admitted that in his divorce proceedings.

He befinks himself as a performance artist. But there are a couple of moments where I think

in sanity more so than he is.

And this is one of those two occasions. One of my favorite bits recently from a, again, like, bro podcast world. It just because Trump is losing ground. It's like those people.

And I think it's Tim Dillon. One of these guys has like Alex Jones was right that everything that Alex Jones predicted in the 1990s, Trump is doing now. It's like there's going to be a evil company

that was started by a homosexual that spies on you and knows everything that you're doing. Actually, that's Alex Jones nailed that one, but it's palatable to you now. And Trump is doing it.

And it's like all of the, you know, like-- - Well, you've seen the video of Alex Jones being like, I don't understand what everyone's so worried about palatable. Like I think it seems fine.

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we're just gonna have to marinate and the Trump podcast for us in Melania. We do have some actual news or actual Ron War Update, so we're gonna rapid fire through that. Trump pleaded this morning,

Iran is doing a very poor job dishonorable, some would say, of allowing oil to go through the straight of our moves, shocking, shocking, that that wasn't a trustworthy partner. - Right.

- And that you've made up agreement, they were not abiding by, Kuwait dealt with a wave of drone attacks overnight and blames Iran as proxies Israelan. Hezbollah continued to exchange fire this morning

and we have weekend peace talks in Islamabad with JD things, obviously the closer. So yeah, he does with Jared Kushner and Whitkoff, should be noted pretty strange that Jared Kushner is still going there, given he was in the situation room

with BB Netanyahu when they were plotting the war and he's also in the payroll of the Saudis, I don't really know why the Iranians would feel good about having him as a counter party in this negotiation, but there we go.

“So that's what's happening with Iran, any thoughts?”

- I think this is going just as one could predict. I wanna be clear about something 'cause I do think that there was a point that was made by some folks, I think far for the left than I am, that there has been a tendency by people

in the liberal sphere to be like super opposed to this war, but also kind of imply that Trump is a bitch for not bombing the shit out of Iran. I'm thrilled that he did not end Iranian civilization. I think that's great.

I think this war has been done from the very beginning. This war was done when people were starting to contemplate it last year, which I think that there's an argument to me made that the Israeli government was kind of thinking about this in a way when we obliterated Iran's nuclear program.

I think there've been a couple of prominent Democrats, including Chuck Schumer, who kind of said, "Oh, Trump got worked on this, which is true, but also fine, I don't want this, I don't want this war, I don't wanna do any of this, it's terrible."

- Yeah, right now, it's incredibly stupid. - No, it's incredibly stupid. - There's not a piece of bitches, this is really stupid, and it's gonna harm people here and abroad,

- It's incredibly dumb. All of this is dumb.

“Like, my point is not like, oh, you know,”

I'm so mad that we did not do this horrible thing,

Trump threatened to do. My point has been two-fold, which is that this war, I think, is unjust and evil. It is brought on for, as far as I can tell, like no real reason, I've heard there have been

the great Judd Legum who runs fantastic stuff. - Yeah, fantastic stuff stack. He compiled that there have been 17 reasons given for the war on Iran, and a lot of them kind of contradict.

Like, I like that we've just kind of pushed past regime change. We're like, no, there isn't a new regime, and I'm like, I don't think the dude's son counts as regime change. - Well, and the reports from Israel's intelligence

is the guys in charge now are more hard-blast. - Yes, which would make total sense, if you witnessed your entire family get murdered, as the new eye-a-tola has, based on the evidence we have, you know, he saw it's father.

- Fabian boldant. - Yes, they are now murdering protesters at a faster rate. - A lot of people use this logic for Trump, which is he went and did this stupid thing because he was so confident about Venezuela.

And like, there's not the same thing happening with the Iranian over the straight. Like, this has been a success beyond their wildest regimes. Like, they're simultaneously pissed and enraged

that their family members, they've got, you know, they've people that died, right? But also, too, they're looking at this and they're like, shit, we really can cause the straight.

And then we always said we could,

but we didn't really know. And like, yeah, we can. - Yeah, again, around doesn't have to win. They just can't lose. Like, the winning, that's not, that's like,

I'm aware that we have like eliminated their navy and also the stuff, but like, they're still there. - And also, I'm like one of the thigh games at the beginning of the college football season. You know, it's like the spread is, you know,

I have state minus 56 and a half. And so, you know, you can still lose, but it's like, you know, and still get your money.

“- Yeah, and so, I think the other point is that, like,”

I think Trump doesn't believe other people believe in things. So we think everything that's kind of a business transaction. And the point I've been making is that like, you know, I think Eric Erickson conservative commentator made a point like Trump was trying to do

like the mad, mad, and theory of like,

I'm gonna say this stuff and they'll come to the table.

And I'm like, if we have been told for nearly 50 years, that the Iranian regime is illogical, the Iranian regime wants nothing but martyrdom and the death of Israelis and Americans, why would they respond to a thing everyone knows Trump does?

You know, you heard that over and over from conservative commentators after that ridiculous post about ending Iranian civilization. Like, oh, no, no, he doesn't mean it's a negotiation tactic. Don't dench your read, art of the deal.

And I'm like, so, if everyone knows this, when the Iranian regime also knows this and kind of be like, "What?" - All right, I'm like the Iranian regime can read, you know? Like, read, art of the deal.

- They probably are aware that either he is going to give up and kind of like make up something and give him two weeks. Or he will do something and they don't care because as we have been told for 47 odd years, they are a regime that does not care about their own people.

So like, what are we doing here? Like, but I want to be clear here, this is not like, oh, you know, Trump Taco, great, fantastic. We love to see it. The war is evil, it should not be happening.

It's more that like, this entire thing is so stupid. - Correct. To that point, the economic fall out. I still think this war is some people over after heads around and what it's going to be happening

with a cathode rampal in JVL now doing convert a little Friday live stream whenever we have economic news. So people can go check that out today, but just really quick, let Catherine get to the nerdy stuff.

But a consumer price induction at inflation jumped to about three and a half percent compared to the same time last year, almost a full point higher from February's pace. Consumer sentiments, sitting a record low. As mentioned, I landed in California last night

to the gas prices, boy. - Yep. - I mean, I don't know how people live. I don't know how working people like it forward to go anywhere.

- It's real high. - It's real high. - Yeah, it's rough. So anyway, I think more on that that just long story short,

“I think this thing is going to continue to unravel”

for him on that economic standpoint. - I wanted to do a little popry with you and other random stuff out there, Jane. You know, others things of mutual interest. - Yep.

- So I have a bucket here called Catholic stuff, both Catholic school kids. - Yep, you take off social media for Lent again this year. I know that's a tradition for you. - I did.

I did, though, people... - Were you posting during the past? - That's the like... - Are you trying to ask people? - No, I did not.

There were a couple of times

in which I saw something incredibly stupid and responded to it. And I was like, "Hmm, just like Jesus in the desert." - Did you get a confess? - Interesting.

- I did not, I did not.

“I think that I am now the dreaded phenomenon”

of like a cultural Catholic. Due to the whole homosexuality thing, I don't really do like, I go to church, I go to a great United Methodist church, though I do spend a lot of the time being like,

"Hmm, you're doing it wrong." Because we were racecast, like we remember how it's done. I do have the kind of the Catholic sensibility still, because once you're kind of baked in it,

you can't get out. - This is something internal that is just a part of your cultural soup

that you swim in, that you show when you go to the Methodist church

and if I go to a non, you know, a Catholic or a non-denominational church and what it's like, it feels wrong. There are things that you can even put your finger on exactly what it is, but you're just like, "This is not correct, this is not how the name so it's been done."

And that is why I was the one that flagged, as soon as JD Vance's book came out and the cover of it had a picture of a, obviously, "Waspy Church." I started slacking everybody at the board and I was like,

“"Can we figure out where this church is?"”

'Cause this is not a Catholic Church. - No, and it's not the biggest deal in the world. This is the biggest scandal in the world that it's like, if you're gonna write a book of that, how you converted to Catholicism,

it is pretty strange to have like the image on the cover of the book, be something that someone that is a Catholic would look at that and feel like a visceral, like, this is wrong, that this is wrong, feeling.

And I, you know, it's just like, "No, that's not our people." That's not our people, actually. That's their people. We love those people, it's fine, we love everybody, you know, on God's earth, but you said you were one to become one of us,

and that's not it. - But I, I think to that broader point, the current mischievous between the White House and the Vatican has been continually of interest to me. - I have a theory on you that I want to ask for you,

so you can riff on that. I hate trying to do a schism. I just, I have a few data points. - Yeah. - Supposedly, and I should just say in the interest

of not doing fake news, I don't trust the free press.

The free press was the first outlet that reported

that, you know, there was the ambassador to the Holy Sea, came to the DOD, and met with Trump officials, and they like threatened, you know, the pope, and said if you don't get on board, like we're gonna do an aving young papacy,

and we're gonna all this stuff. - I did totally believe that there is a convert dork in this administration who would reference the papacy of aving young. I totally am like, "There's somebody here who's like,

"the Western schism could work for us." I'm like, "It didn't work for them. "It did not." - Well, and so, yeah, and so there you go. But so, and maybe that happened to me

who's joking or who knows, but there's been some pushback and whether or not that actually happened, whatever. We know that like that type of attitude was around. We also Peter Teele doing his anti-christ lectures.

Bannon was on this for a while, you know, going to Italy, trying to mess and internal affairs of the Vatican in favor of him. Something about the American Pope, not being one of them,

“being a bull work Pope, has I think created”

some sort of psychological break. I don't know how serious they are about it, but I do think that there's interests in creating a schism. I think they want to mag it Catholicism, that they want to create.

- I just think that that is something in which you have gotten the degree of high in your own supply. You have gotten, if you firmly believe, that would even be a possibility

that people are looking for, you know, a new Vatican in Destin, Florida. Like, as I mentioned on my show today, like the Catholic Church has had like, multiple murdered popes, at least one murder or a pope,

a couple of schisms, dozens of wars. The Church has been around since arguably, for 2,000 years, arguably, depending on how you, seriously you take, you will be the rock of my church, how much, by Jesus Christ.

So like, the idea that mag I could be like, I don't know, we've only been around for what, 11 years, roughly. And be like, I think we can do this. Like, if you're the Vatican, you're like,

oh, you've got, you have vestments older than this. You have actually, you do. You have vestments that are lasted longer than this purported movement. So much of this goes to adult converts.

People convert to all sorts of religions for all sorts of reasons. My mother was an adult convert, who converted in order to marry my father, because my grandma had one rule. And that was it. - And sister-in-law, welcome aboard, Abby.

- Yep, so she did what they used to call RCA. They don't call that anymore. The change, the acronym, 'cause they keep changing things. - They don't call it RCA anymore? - No, it's like, no, I, anyone takes change.

that we, none of us have moved past.

- Hey, dad, what's your spirit? - Ah, it's end also with you.

“But there is something people do when they convert”

to religions as an adult, which is natural. And they're especially converting to Catholicism and doing so very publicly. So there are two pieces to this. One, people convert because they think the religion

confirms stuff they already think. So you see this when you see all these excited articles about how all these yet conservative young men are converting to Catholicism. And I'm like, yeah, 'cause they think

that Catholicism is going to tell them. Like, wow, you know, that nice seeing something is all about how women shouldn't talk. And, you know, this, you know, letter from Paul

to the Ephesians is all about how it would be so great

if you got to sleep with women and they had to remain monogamous. Or whatever, it's just like, you are converting to a religion because you think that the religion will change for you, not that you will have to change

on behalf of your religion.

“And I think, like, we see that endlessly,”

which is also why we see all these people being mad at the Pope for saying Pope things, like, poverty is bad and we should try to limit it. Or war is bad, which are all pretty like standard things for Pope's to say, like pretty general,

like pretty general, popish things. - Sure, yeah. - And you see all these commenters being like, I'm a Catholic, but the last two Pope's haven't really been Pope and I'm like, that's a very American Catholic thing.

I will say, like, that's kind of an ancient American

Catholic tradition of being like the Pope said it. I don't really need to get involved with whatever the head of the Vatican said. But, like, you believe that the church should move towards you and your weirdo politics.

You believe that the church should talk more about how gay people are bad and less about how poverty is wrong. Even though one of those things is mentioned a lot in the New Testament and the other isn't. And I'll leave it to the listener to guess which one.

And so, like, there's a real sense of like, you converted to this religion and then you're mad. It's like, you moved into a house, but a lot of people were already living there and you're mad that they haven't just started renovating for you.

The other half of this and what really gets my goat

“is why I believe and what I would argue,”

a couple of other people said, it was why someone like JD Vance converts to Catholicism. Not because he had a road to Damascus moment, not because the scales fell from his eyes and he was knocked off a horse,

but because it's politically expedient. And you see this, like the, you know, constant team did it better, okay? Like Emperor, a constant team, yeah, we saw the cross and the sky, whatever.

You know, people have converted for political reasons before. It took, you know, famously, you know, Paris is worth a mass, I know that. But to convert, not because you believe in it, but because you believe that it is popular

or will help you politically, I find that we're repulsive. And I don't mean to get on. I'm aware that I am, I am on a soapbox now, but like, no, we love that.

JD Vance converting to Catholicism because you think it will benefit him politically that it looks around him with the kinds of people who can help him. The ways in which we see someone like Russell Brand or any number of right-leaningish figures

who have decided that they are going to become culturally Christian or culturally Catholic. There's a well-known anti-Muslim campaigner who has converted to or says that she is no longer an atheist, kind of a Christian, but she's like,

"I'm going to wait for stamp for the West." The point, the point of Christianity is not to win. The point of Christianity is that losing is okay because we will win in the end. It is not that, you know, you're gonna win on the election.

It is not that you're gonna win the White House. It's not that people are gonna vote for you. It is that you will win in the ultimate end. I'm sorry, I get like very annoyed about this. Like I keep thinking about examples.

My mom was a convert. And my mom was definitely in adherent to a very left-leaning type of Catholicism. Liberation theology, which people might know. And we talked a lot about figures,

like Father Oscar Romero, who was shocked. - I was about to guess Romero, I was about to guess Romero. - Yeah, he was shot to death in Al Salvador, while performing mass. Jean Donovan and the nuns who were murdered alongside her

in Al Salvador, they were raped and murdered by Al Salvadorian right-wing death squads. And then Jean Kirk Patrick and the Reagan administration lied about them and said that like, well, they weren't really nuns.

They were activists. That is what faith looks like.

that the people in power aren't gonna care.

The people, you know, Saint Maximilian Colby, died in a death camp because he took the place of another man and starved to death on his behalf.

“That is what I believe Catholicism and Christianity can be.”

It is not about winning. You know, we just celebrated Easter, which is like the ultimate victory story, but people don't talk, I mean, people don't wanna talk about good Friday

in which Christ is arrested. And when he is arrested, one of his followers cuts off the ear of a Roman soldier who's trying to take him and Christ heals the soldier's ear. Christ doesn't defend himself against the accusations made

against him, he knows it's coming. He's aware, he's aware this has been coming for a long time. And, you know, even Pontius Pilate is like, I don't really wanna do this. The people are like, we want this.

Other guy, Freed, Barabas. And Christ just put through torture. Like, you know, I think that Catholicism does a very good job of this. I don't know how well other denominations do this,

but like he is tortured for hours and hours and hours. And even the act of crucifixion is a form of torture. It takes hours to die. He is crucified, we're told in scripture that he is crucified around noon.

And he dies around 3 p.m. So he is dying on the cross. And people are making fun of him.

“People are put up a sign above him that says King of the Jews.”

He is told, you know, other people who are being crucified with him are like, why don't you just get us down from here if you're the savior? And then another man who's being crucified like, don't you know who this is?

And Christ, that is the only time we hear in scripture that Christ is like, you know, my God, my God, why have you abandoned me? His own father, Christ's belief, got Jesus Christ is both God and the Father.

And you know, before he's arrested, he asked, you know, please God, if you can't, like let this cup pass for me. I don't want to do this. I know what is about to happen,

but he goes through it on behalf of the human race. He dies the most horrible death imaginable. He is murdered by the state in front of his mother. Everyone abandoned him. He's most fervent supporters.

Pretend they don't, I have never heard of him.

And he does it anyway. And he dies. And basically, everybody thinks the story's over. That's it. It isn't.

And that's the story of Christianity. It's like the story isn't over. You think it's over, but it isn't. And he arises. But we, and I'm a Christian, we believe

that the wind doesn't happen while we're here. The wind happens later. There are, there are so many people who are currently facing persecution for their faith. And it is not the kind of persecution

where it's like, oh no, like, you know, I tried to kneel at a football game and some people got annoyed with me. So I went to court. I mean like being murdered for their faith

in places like Nigeria and elsewhere. But those people and people who have been faced persecution for their faith in many faiths, people who, you know, became believers in Christianity and slavery, for example.

Like people who knew that they were never going to get

to be free, never going to get to see, they were never going to get the wind. They still believed.

“And I think the people who convert to Christianity”

for political reasons or convert because they're like, this is the winning side, repulsive me. I think it's disgusting. - I think it is, I think it is the most--

- It's hurting to Judaism for the jokes. - Yeah, like it is, it's deeply uncristered. And I, he's definitely not-- - I'm a long list of things I have not been able to get to on my podcast for understand the reasons.

This is up there, but like, the idea that you would convert to Christianity because it's winning. And then get mad at the Pope because he doesn't sound enough like you, like, come on, come on. - Crazy.

- Crazy. - And saying, Romero, so great, not actually liberation, theologist actually, literally, I did a Romero deep dive about six months ago. We're recommending people looking into him.

He's kind of like a-- He's very bullwerking and figure. I guess that's really more of a self-glays than I meant it to be, for a minute. Just in the sense of, he was only, I only mean it in the sense

that he had come from more of a conservative nation. And then kind of had-- He was awakened by the facts. People should eat some Romero stuff. Final thing.

We're long, but we're on religion. So we're going to talk about it. We should at least just talk about the anti-christ too, as well. I had run an Andrew on the Potter earlier this week, talking about their Sam Altman,

take down and I'll set up sat that I had seen this article by the time that it's, by the time that we taped it, so I feel obliged to close the pod today, but I'm discussing with you. - Entrepreneurs Sam Altman is one of 25 people who have splashed

the cash to join a waiting list at Nectum, a startup that promises to upload your brain into a computer

There's just one catch.

It has to kill you first.

“The process is described by the MIT Technology Review”

involves embalming your brain for it to potentially dissimulate it later in a computer. The living customer would be hooked up to a machine and then pumped full of Nectum's custom embalming chemicals. - Nope.

- The man who thought that is a good idea is the one that holds the power of our artificial intelligence future in his hands. That's a little alarming about what he thinks about what it means to be human.

- Also, like, I'm... - Hmm. - Do it. - Do it. - Fucking gullible is this person.

Like, even you're describing us to me and I'm like, like, this makes cryogenic freezing. It seems like an A+ idea. Like, Ted Williams's family has to, like, congratulations.

You were finally like, I know that didn't work out

and are resulted in a bunch of lawsuits. - Imagine freezing at least has some like whimsy about it. You know, you don't think that you're a god. It doesn't mean that you don't believe that it's gonna give you eternal life.

What you're doing is just, it's just like this hopeful wish that like one day, people in the future will come up with other people. We'll come up with something in the future that will allow you to experience something new.

There's, I don't know, there's something an optimistic and cute about that at least. This is, this is megalomania. This is my brain is so important that it must exist for eternity, my brain.

- Like, it's very telling to me that we are in an age in which there used to be like, the smarter you were kind of the more self-deprecating you would be.

Kind of just being like, well, you know,

I know enough to know what I don't know. Nope. Nope. You're like, I gotta be uploaded to the grid. You gotta put me in the main frame.

No. - Future generations need my brain. - Yeah, you know, future generations need to know

“how much I've decided, how horny I think I should be.”

Like, I've thought a lot about it and everybody needs to know, I've been thinking how horny should this be. - Yeah, boy, that's pretty bleak. Luckily for me, I'm not to go have a rosé

and enjoy the musical stylings of Slater and the XX and Sabrina Carpenter, I'll be in the mood for a late night and I won't, you know, we'll just kind of let this wash away. I don't know, I don't think my brain needs to be involved.

I just don't. It's a nice brain. I appreciate that everybody comes to the podcast every day, but the involvement of the brain. There's a, you know, that's the beautiful thing

about life, right? - I'm glad that you understand. You and I, I think we agree. Neither of us are that important and we should just go hang out and do stuff.

- We're not good. - No, we're not good. - No, it's cool. - We have some insights. We have some interesting thoughts from time to time.

I can do a bond bot. - Yeah. - To the best of them. - But you invite us to a cocktail party. - You're gonna have a good time.

- But no one needs that involved. Please, Tim, enjoy your rosé, enjoy Coachella. - Jane Kostin, thank you so much. Everybody else, I'm taking Monday off, Sarah Longwell and Bill Crystal would be here.

We got bangers only next week after that. So, y'all enjoy your week and as well, Jane, enjoy LA. - I will. - We'll be seeing, we'll be out there. We have live shows coming up in LA, Memorial Day.

I can be talking to you about that. - Yeah, yeah. - It was not to be like, you email me and we figured something out. - We're gonna have, I didn't know. - Yeah, it's been five weeks.

“- I don't live it a week at a time over here, all right?”

- I'm just thinking about my Coachella schedule today, all right? - It's been Memorial Day, the week before and more day. We'll be in LA if you live in San Diego or LA. Tickets will be on sale soon. - That's it, that's the show.

Enjoy Monday without me, everybody. We'll see y'all on Tuesday, Jane, love ya, go Blue. - Go Blue. - Peace. (upbeat music)

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