Jon Lovett: It Is Time to Scream and Yell

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It's John Love It. How you doing, man? I'm doing great as a great president, one said. It's not whether or not you get knocked down. It's whether you get back up again. - That's true. Way to, way to pander to the eight-bush lovers left listening to this podcast. Don't worry everybody. We've got goodness. We're going to get to the Bimbabwe vacation of Christy Names. How's been at the end of the program? - All right. And this might be coming out a little later than usual today, because Love It likes his beauty rest.

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I was kind of curious what I thought we meant by that. And I went and went back and read the transcripts.

And here's what you said. You said it's hard to imagine a version of the Trump administration unfolding in which they're doing more in bad things without getting the blowback that might hurt them.

“And I think I thought that was interesting to reread that thinking back to March of 2025,”

the worst case scenario was not just their behavior, which we expected, but the behavior of everyone else. And that's something we positive about in the ensuing year. A lot of bad behavior has continued, but that has changed somewhat, wouldn't you say? - It's not enough. - Not enough. I mean, look, the full co-opting of the Republican Party has continued the idea that we would have gone to war in Iran without a debate, without a vote, without a planned extraordinary. And we're going to talk about what he posted today about what Europe should be up to.

And the incompetence and chaos and silliness and idiocy of this, it's just staggering like unacceptable and obvious degree.

And there's still so many people on the right defending it. I think the optimistic part to me is I do think he's finally crossed Rubicon and lost a lot of people that he needs,

or you would have thought his coalition needed. And so I do think there is a crack up happening. And I think that's a reason to be hopeful, but I think what we said there's still some right. - For you, the worst case scenario is still in jail. - For you, right now. - So I think what we were talking about in March of 2025, which I first of all, I can't believe it feels like that is a long time ago, but also I can't believe we were having that conversation so early in the administration, was that we were seeing the worst possible version of Trump and everybody was really caught off guard.

“Like that's what was happening. He was doing doge and he was destroying USAID and he was weaponizing the department of justice.”

He was the worst version of himself. And the question I think is, okay, we've had the worst version of Trump. Are we in the worst case version of America? He's doing his damnedest, right? That I think is true. And I think the answer there is no. Yes, the weaponization of DOJ has been absolutely terrible and dangerous, but their ways in which the courts are holding their ways in which, you know,

that include the fact that they can't get the lawyers they need, that are competent enough to do what they would have to do to actually successfully weaponize the department of justice.

There are ways in which Trump at his worst has not resulted in the worst case scenario for all of us. He's doing a lot of damage, but he's deeply unpopular, there's chaos in Congress. They can't fund the government. He's, you know, losing parts of his coalition, a lot of MTCs at CPAC, because a lot of ways in which the lack of democratic legitimacy is creating checks along the way.

“I'm teetering as I think about this. That's why I wanted to start with the deep question with you, because like there's a big part of me that,”

and I'm back and read that transcriptiles, like whether it be no kings, whether it be in the fact that, you know, Don Lennon walks free, like they're all these ways in which he has been pushed back on. I think in March of last year, everyone was holding, I think, the leaders, the universities, right? And so that is good, and we now even see within his coalition, even if it's just two few people, Thomas Massey, you know, a bunch of maga podcasters now are starting to be like, this war is stupid. I think around last night, I'm Fox, which is shooting on the right. It's like that part, like the, you know, gravity is holding. And like this moment that we had, which was like, oh my God, maybe he can just do it every once and everybody's just kind of curl into a fetal position and, you know, we'll end up with some sort of Trump, you know, permanent Trump, I talk or say, like that seems less likely.

The other side of that, though, is like the weaker he gets, maybe the more dangerous he is, and I, and I kind of vacillate on that back and forth over the past couple of weeks.

It's not like I think about this, which like he seems weaker, and I do wonder if that means that maybe he acts crazy or. Because we have a long time left, you know, the N word starts to come into my mind, the other N word, a strong likes to say. You know, start to think about that. Yeah, well, I had him thinking about that now, I am, thank you. Yeah, well, look, like his attention carines, right? Like what is Brendan Carr going to get up to what kind of prosecutions is Pampond, he going to bring.

What is the next phase of immigration enforcement?

We are a bit like yoked to his kind of capricious attention.

And so, we did just run through a huge cycle of him unleashing chaos in Minnesota, the deaths of two Americans that kind of. EBS because no one is fired and we're going to get Mark Wayne Mullin to write the ship.

“And then all of a sudden we're at a, we're in a war, we're in a war in a, in a rock, right?”

The version you're describing where he's cornered and doing terrible endangered things is happening in front of the tower seeing it. And then now we need, now you, now you, your mind goes to, to nuclear weapons. But meanwhile, we've, we've created chaos in the Middle East and, and, cause all kinds of global economic problems that will certainly like ripple and hit us. So like, you know, yeah, I think you're right. Of course, that's something to worry about. Yeah, you know, I was just thinking to myself, I was like, you had a few to ask me five years ago, who's the most likely to use a nuke?

I've been like the bad country. Don't worry.

“I guess of today, if there is a, this is the dystopia within, if there is a calcium market, unlike one country is the most likely to use the nuke next.”

I feel like us and Israel would be at the top of the list, but anyway, we can talk about that later. You could just marinate on that, maybe we can go back to the end of the podcast. The, uh, Iran-ladest Trump bleeds this this morning. All of the countries that can't get jet-fueled because of the strain of our moves like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran. I have a suggestion for you. Number one, by US, we've got plenty.

Number two, build up some delayed courage, go to the straight and just take it. You'll have to start learning how to fight for yourself. USA won't be there for you anymore, just like you weren't there for us, Iran has been essentially decimated, wrong use of that word, but anyway. The hard part is done, go get your own oil. President DJT.

It's very Trump. It's about one of the Trumpiest things that he's kind of done. You know, it's sort of like, hey, I'm going to get into a, you know, a casino business with a couple of other rich people. With a couple of other rich guys, you know, we're going to put my name on the casino and then we're going to lose a lot of money because I did something really stupid. And I'm going to declare bankruptcy and like you guys go figure out how to pay for it. It's like kind of one of those things. It's like I started the world with Iran. Everything was fine.

The oil was going, and everything wasn't fine for the people of Iran, but you know, oil is traversing through the straight.

And then he's then he's like, now I've created all this damage and like good luck.

Don't fix it. President DJT.

“What a strange few weeks in terms of what he's been asking for from people. So he starts the war.”

Who knows what they thought would happen. Obviously, the fact that Iran could close the straight of Hormuz was an extremely predicted and predictable result. So whether he was told that and didn't understand how serious it would be, whether he was convinced by like headset or someone else that you would never get that far because they would so quickly eviscerate.

The regime that it would be like Venezuela and we'd just be kind of talking to new and more reasonable people and everything would move on. Who knows.

But after the fact he goes to all of these countries and says, we've got a problem in the street for moves. We need you to jump in there. No, thank you, sir. No, thank you. You started this war. We're not. We have our own domestic politics. Also, we don't want to put our people in harm's way for a war we didn't start. We started this war with Israel. You can fight it to the end and that's that. Then he says, oh, we don't need anybody. Meanwhile, in that interim, the goals go from regime change to preventing Iran from projecting power in the region.

Then it becomes basically the rubio version, which is, you know, destroy the navy, destroy their capacity to make missiles.

Nuclear doesn't really come up. Now rubio is on the on the tarmac. The end of last week saying, after this war is over, we're going to have a real problem in the straightaway moves. And so you have Trump then saying kind of on the plane, you know, there's actually much more reasonable people in charge of Iran now. We can really work with these people. And then you have, and now, and rubio saying that the straightaway move is going to be a problem and what Iran is planning to do after the conflict is unacceptable.

“Yeah. We can't tell you who the reasonable people are that we're working with because it might harm them internally, which doesn't seem like that's the most stable counterpart when you have to go ahead and secret.”

And Trump said, we, I'm not going to tell you who they are because they might get killed by their people or they might get killed by us, which, and I say, I assume includes Benjamin and Yahoo. So, but, tough negotiating chair for the, for the Iranians. But, but he's clearly like kind of internalized this idea that, and it, and there's true to it, which is the US is more inured to the consequences of closure of the straightaway moves. We haven't, we have liquid natural gas. We have helium. We're not bad in our, but we're not more. I'm just more than, and so what he, it seems like what he's trying to do is signal that he's really, really serious.

About leaving this problem for others. That whatever is going on in these talks that Rubio has been having at the G7 and elsewhere, that, that he needs to signal to the world that he's really, really genuinely willing to fuck everybody over. Yeah. Which people will buy? I mean, Trump does bullshit a lot, but I think that is like in line with his kind of character. I don't think it achieves the end, you know, again, not a military strategist, but if your goal is to try to limit or prevent Iran from projecting power in the region.

Going from like a very weak and regime, which is that how they were a month ago, according to all accounts, to a regime that now controls the global supply of energy, and it's going to put a told booth up there. And people are going to have to beg them to be able to get through. That seems kind of like that we had the reverse impact on their ability to project power, one man's opinion. Yeah, and just especially when the head of the regime that you're now claiming was changed was going to be killed by God and just a short while he was quite old.

“Yeah, I told 86 something like that. You took out the leader of a regime that would have died and left a power on the vacuum and instead you started or in order to what?”

What have we done here, my God? I've been intrigued by the coalition of the unwilling in Europe. UK was mentioned. Spain was the first one. Spain was like you can't use our all right for space left wing populist runs Spain right now then France was next up and Trump was mad about that. Shutting up the French. They're not as helpful as they could be. That's run by a centrist technicra and Macron and his wife wife Brigitte. And now Italy this morning run by Melani right wing populist saying you can't use our our bases and you can't fly over here as part of this Middle East incursion you're doing.

You know, my reaction to that reading all that was simultaneously like wow, how bad is on Trump fucked this up in our relationship with our allies. We've talked about that like add nauseam for a decade now. The other thought I had was it kind of shows it like we have sort of a unique problem with this like corrupt spankter who is like very unable to president well and like we also have a problem with right wing populism.

Particularly on the left to be to be like you know the biggest problem that we face right now is Donald Trump and and that the orange man is bad that's like a little out of vote right now.

“But then just seem like the case to me well right the hope would then be that his unique collection of talents are what held the whole coalition together and that someone like a rubio or events could do the same I think that's like maybe true.”

I do think what part of this is the whole world including most Americans learned that preemptive wars in the Middle East wars of choice in the Middle East are terrible policy and terrible politics. Trump right and so of course leaders of these countries don't want to sign up for it and want to signal to their electorates that they want nothing to do with this thing that's probably good politics for basically every politician.

Trump in the US there's in some big coalition behind this the president launched a war and it doesn't have popular support that hasn't happened in our lifetimes and or any lifetime.

“Even inside of the Republican party it's not as popular as I mean it's you know it does better because there's sort of older bases getting kind of the red white and blue 1990s style.”

Pro War shit from fox and on Facebook but even like the mega crowd that's consuming yellow you know yeah a little free to drive baby can rise or back but like even the big chunk of the base that's younger and more online is consuming a bunch of big media that's saying that this is fucking stupid younger Republicans younger Trump voters don't think this is a good idea so the whole world basically learn the lesson.

Accept for a tiny cohort of people inside of what you know even the neocons that they're not in the administration they're at the board.

Well now the neocons were for it we're at the board we should just say the board thing which is the thing that the board has been right about which we'd like to say as men as often as possible which is that you shouldn't put a erratic lunatic. In terms of the most powerful country the world like that was probably a mistake in doing it twice especially after he tried to kill was really dumb and I think that's like the big takeaway here and I think that there's a lot of people who try to come up with.

Other takeaways or many other political implications like the big one is kind of the big one there are is existing other cadre of neocons who are like the biggest drillators of the war. I can never see enough blood spill in the middle east for their taste like well not I don't know I guess until you know Israel controls from the river to the sea and beyond as Mark as my cut could be said like you know into the Levant until that they won't be happy I don't think but I got no one else is for it. The Lindsey Graham school like that they got control that they got the helm for this even though they represent a vanishing minority in the country in terms of views at this point like it's it's it's pretty staggering.

“The critique from like the kind of soft Trump supporters who are like this is what he said he wasn't going to do why you letting these people do this they're sort of using him I think that's true I think that's true.”

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I don't know if this is a speechwriter or if he asked grock to kind of write him like a novel like a romance novel of the war but during the press conference he gave us this. I'd like to free to react to him. I did the same with his boss. A kernel with a heart the size of Texas and a beautiful deployment mustache to match. I witnessed leafality. I met a junior airman as the sun was going down and a kill was setting on the tarmac who when asked what they needed. She simply looked up at me with a slie smile on her face and said more bombs and bigger bombs.

He saw the reality in a man's house and cut their mustache and beard.

“I don't know where we landed on with the mustache. The beard looked up on the chill frost on the tarmac and sliced smile on the face.”

Is it slie? The horizon, the Persian Gulf, the sun rising, the East, the Crow's, the dawn. What the fuck is he doing? More bombs are bigger bombs are and even take it at face value. Just take what he's saying at face value which is so.

What are you talking about? What is that supposed to tell us? A person on the ground is saying they need more bombs and you're going to oblige their request for more bombs.

It's an impression of what he thinks someone is supposed to sound like but he's not really aware of what an actual leader would. It's like John free saying I am king. You're in charge of my guy. You did it. You're the boss. That's what projecting genuine strength would look like but these people are so self-pitying and insecure and on some level know that they're doing something wrong or in the wrong jobs and don't belong where they are. So it all becomes this sort of show because they don't know what to do I guess I don't know.

“Yeah, I think that's right. He knows it's a shit show. I think a lot of this morning is like what can you talk about?”

What are the things that you can talk about that you can point to with as far as success is concerned.

You know if I'm sitting at Pete Higgs's chair, it's hard to get inside his brain but I'm going to try. And it's we've bombed all the shit. We've been pretty good on the bomb scorecard. We've hit more of their shit than they've had of our shit. Okay, so that's good winning. That's the mentality that's winning. We did accidentally hit an orphanage but we're also hitting their missiles. So we could talk about that. And I can also kind of like borrow the baller of the people that I'm sending there.

You know, I've got this. I can, you know, kind of paint this glossy chat GPT version of, you know, an Americana story of the soldiers. You know, the Mastasia, man from West Texas and the woman who volunteered to fight and, you know, I'm trying to do that. Yeah, right exactly. And he feels like maybe I can, I can will into existence something that is heroic about this or, you know, something to be proud of about this. So if I focus on how many people were bombing and the courage of our people and maybe then people won't be able to undermine me and point out that.

This is the stupidest war that we've gotten into in a long time and that's a competitive category because we've been in quite a few dumb ones. Yeah, and the feeling he must have in these rooms with, you know, he's outmatched in every room he walks into even places where he's meant to be in charge. How that must feel to look at these generals in the eyes. Yeah, when then he gets outmatched to the briefing room. Then he gets outmatched to the briefing room because he's trying to do the briefings any more really great, you know, because the questions are about all the ways in which they failed.

“My view on it is I think that it's already far worse than people have really accepted internally.”

And that the medium-term damage is hard to predict, but it's going to be across economic geopolitical, militarily. This is just an unimaginable quagmire that is going to be impossible for them to disentangle themselves from and even if Trump runs for the exits as we are talking right now. Like the ramifications are going to echo for the rest of his presidency. That's where I'm at on it. Donald Trump is a short term thinker who borrows against the future in everything he's ever done. And he has been throughout his life and his time in politics protected by the cowardice of Republicans and the resilience of America.

The resilience of America has been his great protector through all of this, right? And the resilience of institutions to kind of push back against his worst excesses actually protects him in some sense.

I think there are a lot of people that were surprised by how how much the economy was able to withstand these global terrorists.

“I think there are people that projected the impact would be worse. That's a truth, right? Like people said, oh, these are these are going to be terrible. And they have been terrible for prices and they've had a negative impact.”

But I, well, we weathered it. We have weathered that's just absolutely the truth. They're bad costs. We shouldn't have done it. And I think he's counting on the same thing here that we can weather the implications of this are alliances. Can weather Trump's like my curial bullying across the world. But at a certain point, that's just not true. It stops being true. It's only so much. We can take and like he just pushes it and pushes it and pushes it and we'll just pay. We're just going to pay for years to come.

But I think this is unweatherable. I guess is my take. This is not a not a popular thing to do. You know, because you don't want to be.

You don't want to be the never Trump puned it. It's like, this is the laws of clothes didn't. A lot of, a lot of, you know, carcasses, and the deserts of the walls are closing on Trump takes.

I don't think that this one is weatherable. I mean, you know, who knows he's not ever running for anything again. So I guess I mean it depends what you mean by the definition of that. But I just, I think that he's permanently politically damaged by it in a way that. The other times he was. I agree with that. I think this is more like Bush after Katrina or Biden after kind of inflation hadn't resolved quickly enough and people determined that he was too old and we're shocked that he was considering to run again.

“And there was no coming back from it and they were self-perpetuating. I think this is the chaos of this net like the failure to address prices. The fact that gas prices are now going to hit five dollars a gallon across the country.”

Plus him going around showing people the ballroom like I think this is locking him in. But he still remains popular on their public inside. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, I think Obama flashpoint like Obama after he failed to do Simpson polls. So, you know, Obama after cylinder or something. That's not a cylinder. So, did you see, I listen, I'm sorry to you. So, I didn't agree with the guy had Republican spent a decade talking about cylinder. And if you're not caught up on your 2010s, if you, if you turned into politics after because of Trump, whatever,

or if you're kind of independent spirited person, you may be as unfamiliar with the great, great political battles of the, of the late 2010s.

Just caught it. Just caught it. There was a loan part of loan program. The company failed the government lost $535 million.

That was a scandal. There were investigations. There were hearings. It was the great, great ways of taxpayer dollars, government picked winners and losers. That program ultimately turned a profit. We made money on that loan guarantee program. Donald Trump last week gave a billion dollars to a French company to make them not build windmills.

“Don't there be a fucking hearing from these people? That's it, that's what I want to say. He paid up a billion dollars to tell energy.”

And I mean, I think we lost a 535 billion dollar plane on the tarmac in Saudi Arabia this week too, because of a stupid, because of a war that we started for no reason. That is going to actually probably have the reverse effect of what they're helping force for us around the ability to project power. So, we move forward.

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Okay. And there it was. It was John love it on the street outside of the beautiful crooked media offices. So it was John love it in the world. Okay. And you were at I believe the no kings rally. That's right. And you were talking about the mega rights immigration agenda. What's happening right now with deportations? We just had being funded and how they were. And the weakness of their blood and soil nationalism.

And I was I was like, I was pretty good off the cuff bit, but I love it. So I don't know if that's a stick you've been working on. That you've been kind of workshopping various podcasts or any of any ways. But I want to explore it with you. You're basically talking about the hollowness of the mega rights blood and soil nationalism. Yeah. So it was something I felt there out there. We were downtown in LA. There was a bigger no kings protest in the one that came before and. You know, look, it's a big coalition of people showing up. There are a lot of people.

I walked in like the first people I saw was as a lady. She was like, do you want to know what the communists think about the Epstein files? And I was like, I don't actually, but I appreciate that you're out here and you know, good luck. It's actually a book. That's a one maybe the one spot where you in the communists find some lies, but that's a problem.

Like blood and soil nationalism. It kind of depends on having people kind of not just online, but in the world, right?

“Men to be people that take great pride in their country and this is our country. This is where we belong.”

But you'd think if that were a genuine deep felt political ideology, it would exist in the world. There'd be people walking around on soil, you know, blood and blood in their veins, but that's not really what maga is. There are people that will go to a turning point USA event. There's just, you know, people that will show up at a Trump rally. But millions and millions of people are showing up for no kings. They're leaving their house and their phones and their computers to bring their phones with them.

But they're leaving their screens and they're going out and having a real experience with people in the world. Maga doesn't really do that in the same way. Like maga is a movement of people watching screens and consuming content on social media and on television. That is what it is. It is people, angry online, it is people riling each other up via right wing misinformation and like right wing propaganda channels. And that can be enough to get people to show up and vote as we've seen. But it's not a movement of people like with actual blood on the actual soil, just isn't. And it makes it really brittle and it makes it really ultimately weak.

Like that, like we were talking about this before. Like Donald Trump is a right wing populist, right? But it's not popular. And he's never had.

“He is not the part of a popular front. He's not leading millions of like men with PTSD who feel abused by the French, right?”

Like they just don't have the fucking guys. And that part of what makes the Republican capitulation so pathetic. Because they're like surrendering to this guy because he's got 80% approval among Republican voters. But he doesn't have the strength, the political movement that should make them actually afraid. Like for the country, like just isn't real. It's all digital. Yeah, there's also just the shit like you call it brittle and there's the shelliness to it because it's just like it's anything he says. Right. And it's like if you look at the polls down about Iran and it's like the Magna Republicans are more supportive of the Iran war than the Republicans who don't define themselves as Magna Republicans, which is strange.

You think it would be the opposite, right? You would think that it would be the Wall Street Journal Republicans, whatever that is the most into the war, but it's the Magna Republicans are willing to go along with whatever. It's a lifestyle brand. Right. And the lifestyle brand is different than kind of a blood and soil tradition. And like I guess both have their strengths and weaknesses, but as far as political movements are concerned, but like you know if you look at Orban and God willing he's going to was here next week or two weeks when we talk about that election coming up next week on the show. But like there is something real about it. Like it's gross.

And but it's obviously not for me, right? This kind of Magya or Hungarian, you know, oh, we've these immigrants are coming in. They don't share values. They're trying to make us cosmopolitan. They're trying to make Budapest the same as Paris and like we don't want that. But like that's a real complaint, right? Whether or not you, you know, put any value in that complaint. And like that is what undergirds a lot of the other right wing national surround the world, Modi and India, etc. I was interested that you said that because I was like, I don't know you can see them trying to do that here with like the heritage American shit.

Then you sometimes see online, but it does feel like the good parts of America do make that a little more challenging. I mean not so challenging that he has one twice, but about making it sustainable.

“Yeah, we're not hungry. I like if there's people like, oh, you know, Donald Trump has tried to turn America into Hungary and it's like, well, you know what?”

I think it'd be harder to turn Hungary into Hungary if it were filled with fucking Americans. There's a little bit of a lack of like, hey, like we're America.

First of all, we're a big fractious place with multiple levels of government. We are a rebellious and freedom-loving people.

And we don't like being told what to do for good and for real, right? Like that's who we are. And we talk a lot about the grievance part of what like a fascistic government offers, right? Like you can point at the right enemies. You can you can galvanize people to like turn against the other we talk about that a lot. Yeah. But there's another part of it, which is like meaning and purpose, right? You go. There's only can happen if there's a there's a real gap of like meaning and purpose in a in a society.

And I do think like that we are in that. That is a feeling people have. If you talk to people, there is you can you can see it in in whatever you want to talk about loneliness. Talk about like the ways in people feel like kind of disconnected from each other, the lack of community. People stop going to churches and started doing horoscopes, whatever. But Trump doesn't have an answer for that. Like Trump doesn't have a can't speak to that. He doesn't have any kind of language. That is a library is the answer. It's a penis taler with his name on it like the answer. That's like you sign up to my lifestyle brand where the shirt if you want the hat.

He's not offering them. There's no there's no positive part of the bargain. He's not even doing the shitty city would do for the people that voted for him even though they don't like it. It's like a stand culture thing and he's a New York Magazine article on this. You know it's like being a believer or you know whatever. I don't know what the bill the Irish is fans called. I'm not sure Tim. He's not you're not sure. I don't know what they're called. Are you part of any stand culture? What about Nicki Minaj? I'm really not. I'm not part of any of those five.

“That's what it is. I've been occasionally under a withering attack from the k-hive.”

Yeah, you've raised the higher of the kids once and a while. They took out their uniforms and distributed themselves amongst the civilian population. The barbs is the Nicki Minaj. The best doesn't know the bill of bill. I was group is called. We're not gonna. I do not want to die or the k-hive on this. So we're gonna move on.

Let's do a little dem figure skating judging. You are always, you know, so just coffee out with the love it caveat about it is unfair that you know Democrats are like the only group with agency.

In our world and so it's frustrating that, you know, you nitpick the Democrats while meanwhile. Plinsy Graham, like started a war with Iran and then said, "Hey, I'm going to Disney land." I'm gonna wave my little mermaid bubble fund. I'm gonna walk around. I'm gonna have the characters sign my book. He found the only place on earth where the French are happy to see him. Later, line for a picture with Woody. You know, meet some of the evil queens.

That's right. Anyway, so that's like what Lindsey's gonna do. No agency. We can mock him. We can criticize him. But there was no expectations that were public. It's not really the right thing.

The Democrats, though, you know, unfortunately do have responsibilities.

And I'm curious what the right thing to do is bolt across this DHS shutdown in the war.

“So I can feel crystal about this yesterday, but you being a Democrat and good standing. And you know, lifelong Democrat. I think your wisdom is probably better suited for this.”

But I don't know. I feel like I want more. And I don't know if this is about my hierarchy of needs personally, or whether this is political strategy. But shouldn't they be having fake hearings about the war? Shouldn't they be, you know, chaining themselves to the White House fence? Shouldn't there be screaming people outside of the, outside of the airports, advertisements? You know, and there's some people that are satisfying my needs, Ruben, Guy goes really good. There's others that don't even be out, but like I have a little bit of feeling of an emptiness and the vigor of their spots given the scale of the destruction.

I don't wonder what you think about.

You know, I'm conflicted about it. I have the same feeling you do. So let me just play it out. We talked about this yesterday on Potsay, America. About how you had Graham. It's called Potsay of America. Lindsey Graham is a Disney world on Space Mountain and then TMZ caught Congressman Robert Garcia, California in Las Vegas. And then Robert Garcia said, yeah, we should be in and we should be voting, but they sent us home.

“I'm visiting my father in Las Vegas and I'm not apologizing for that. And you should post it a picture.”

I know that's the right way to handle that. I think that's right. But then you think, okay, I understand that you're not really in charge of when Congress is in or out. But what would an opposition look like if everyone was so in sense by the fact that they were being sent home, that they refused to leave, not because they were even necessarily that focused on the politics of it. But so outraged by the fact that they were being sent home without having had a vote on DHS being told that they're going to leave for two weeks

while people are working for the Coast Guard without being paid while Trump is illegally paying TSA because that's withdrawing the most headlines. And just stayed in Congress, stayed there. Yeah, called fake hearings, stood in front of the Capitol, walked to the White House, whatever it looks like. And I don't know which of those kind of strategic things are the right thing to do to get the most attention. But I think what you're getting at is this feeling like, where's that, where's that instinct that sort of outrage that drives you

It is skimably towards standing on the stairs and refusing to go back to your district. And like that to me has been a problem with the Democratic response to Trump from the beginning there. I don't feel like there is mad as me. Yeah, and maybe they are, but I don't feel like they are. And so yeah, and so to me, that's like there's the two process.

One is like the emotional, you know, hierarchy of needs pyramid. And maybe that doesn't actually matter, but it would be nice to think that your leaders or as mad as you are. Like that would be nice. And I think that that's a potent political tool actually when people believe that you reflect their up to anger. But then I also think there's just a strategy of this too, which is like, there is week as they've ever been right now. Like I want boot on the neck, not literally, right? Like, like, this is the moment to invite yourself on Laura Ingraham Show.

And like, look at the destruction they have wrought, right? Yeah. And like there are other times where Democrats try to do that, where like the topics or these kind of democracy and, you know, norms and esoteric things that actual people don't care about as much as we wish they would. But this shit people care about dumb wars, recessions, higher gas prices, like people care about that. Yeah, you know what, Tim? You're waking me up. You're waking me up. What are we doing here? Let's go. Let's get up. What are we doing? Let's go.

Go on. Go on. Go to their spaces. Go on Fox News this week. Gas prices. Gas prices are over five dollars. Again, I'm finding fighting a stupid war in the Middle East. He's showing diagrams for the fucking ballroom on Air Force one. What go? What?

“That's what he's focused on. He had his broker trying to impress.”

And it's a military company. Can I use the Secretary of War before he started a war? We started the dumbest fucking war that you could possibly imagine and Pete Higgs said, rather than coming up with a plan for how we're to keep the straight of our moves open. He's trying to figure out how he can make a few bucks in his Charles Schwab account. And he was fucking made the richest.

I didn't even think he managed to turn a profit on this thing. Didn't even do the investment. No, because he's too stupid. Go on the war or to be corrupt. He's stupid of an air Trump.

Air Trump is at least doing corruption correct. He's getting rich. Secretary of War is done with an air Trump. Peter's a problem.

Pete Higgs said it was never meant to be rich. I don't think he can handle it.

I think he needs the constraints. I think he needs to get up and go to a job. That's what I think about the bank. The fake rule Paul style hearing. You don't, where you not don't know that idea.

I'm a brainstorming idea. I'm doing two kind of get up to costumes and they stay at the gavel. And they interview former military leaders. You know, Chuck Schumer. Where does it spitball?

We're Chuck Schumer, gas prices go up. Some little alert goes off in the, in the, in the Schumer verse. And he, and it's a Sunday night. They trudges down to the gas station. He stands front of the gas station. He points at the prices.

And he goes bad. This is bad. And I hate this. And we're going to do something about it. Look at that number.

Terrible. This is gouging you. Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. Where's that Schumer? Where's that Schumer?

I don't think. I want to poke in the finger.

Part of the problem is that we just said it.

Because I was saying I'm day one. And I hate to do I told you so. Because I'm wrong a lot. But there were even too many Democrats up to an including Chuck Schumer. They were kind of at the beginning of the war.

Be like, let's see. I know. Maybe don't turn out okay. I know. They weren't for it.

It's not their fault. I'm not blaming them. But like there was, there was a little bit of a sense of, let's see how this goes. Or a few exceptions.

I mentioned Ruben, you know, Chris Murphy. I'll see. There were exceptions. But like there was a little bit too much of that energy.

“And I think it's kind of hard to transition from the energy of,”

let's see how this goes. Maybe it'll turn out okay.

Maybe it'll be good to the energy of this is so fucking stupid.

I can't believe it. My hair is on fire. Can you believe these guys are the stupid. Please vote them out. Don't let them ever have power again.

You know what I mean? You know, even on the supplemental. Lauren Bobert was like no supplemental. No fucking way. We understand more money to the to foreign war.

We have needs at home. And she said that with more clarity than a lot of Democrats. We're like, well, I got to see the package. And I got to see what we got to get the briefing. And I got to see what got to support the troops.

And I got to support the troops. I got to support the troops by putting a fucking leash on Donald Trump. Yeah. Take off the leash. The BB has a lot.

I'm gonna put it on one of your side of this. Yeah. It can be a harness so that he can jump around without having to worry. But, you know, you give him the harness. I don't want to, you know, it doesn't have to be kind of restrictive in a kind of

feel. It just has to kind of hold him back. Do you ever try to harness? You know anything about harnesses?

“Um, are we, are we at the Christian home section or what?”

We are, we are at the, okay, two more things for you. It's Christian now. I have a limit on the shell on how much 2028 I can do because I don't like it. It's too early. Too early.

But this exact topic ties into why I don't like it, which is why I feel okay bringing it up. And I feel like that's in my integrity to bring it up right now. There are two wrong stories out this week. One about how he eats a salad.

Yeah. And he seems to eat a salad the way everyone else just because he dresses the shakes it up. Of course, the dressing on, then he shakes it up. Okay. Whatever.

I understand it. It's tough to be a profile writer in this day and age. You're trying to find an angle, whatever. A lot of posting about that. I don't know how much more.

There's to say about a few of any thought you're welcome to share. I know you weren't eating a lot of salads right now to prepare for the wedding. The other story was at this morning. It was exclusive by Axios. Axios and Susan Farom rolls out at ice funding plan.

He's going to take the money from ice and give it to community colleges. And here's the thing. Like fine. That's a fine plan. That's a fine.

It's a whatever. Like if a Democrat became president and did that. Fine. You know, I would not have a segment talking about how stupid that was. I don't think on this podcast.

It would be a totally fine plan. It would be my favorite one.

Like right now, DHS is shut down because we have an actual fight that is happening

over the funding of this organization that has like a real impact on people. I peep. The TSA agents are getting paid. You know, people are getting managed outside of Kingston. Whereas like this is a cute fight right now.

And like doing 20 28 foot C stuff where you're like leaking white papers in March of 2026. It's fucking stupid. And if you do want to be president in 2028 and you're a Democrat.

“I would think that the best thing for you to do right now would be to do it.”

We're just talking about a minute ago, which is yellow and scream about how terrible Donald Trump is and how terrible the establishment is that has got us into the situation. Yes. What do you think? We're wait.

I don't know.

I don't want any more to wait.

I don't want any more to wait. Look. Yeah, I don't want nothing either. I don't want white papers. I don't like little.

Here's a little Politico. Scooplet in March of 2026. It's triggering. Yeah. It's very old school, right?

You start kind of like doing these sort of policy pronouncements in the run-up to create a kind of like intellectual framework for the kind of campaign you're going to run. It just feels like it's from another era. I don't have as visual reaction to it. Part of what I hear was like, okay, you're going to take the money from ice and give it to community colleges.

It's like, okay, you can community colleges should have more money and you think I should have less money.

I agree with that. I agree with that. But we're still. There's something about the way Democrats like move money around, like with the like, you know, it's priority signaling. I agree with that.

“But how big should the tax base be and what should the government do with it?”

Right? Like, what is our ideology? What is our view as Democrats? Because so many of the, I think, the like symbolic battles. And you can, whether it's, it's like, how Democrats should be signaling, right?

On how angry they are about the shutdown or what should Democrats do to signal. They're against the war and Iran. So much of it flows from the fact that people generally know what Democrats, they fully and clearly know what Democrats are against. And I'm not going to be go so far so people don't know what Democrats are for. I think they actually do broadly, right?

But they don't understand what they're fighting for. They don't know what really drives them. And I think part of that flows from like, there's just no clear ideology outside of the left of the party. Now, Rome comes from the era, the Bill Clinton era, when there was a clear center left, small, ell liberal pro market governing ideology that was animating and interesting to people.

And interesting to them, they could talk about it. If you asked a novel question to Bill Clinton about an issue you hadn't thought that much about. He had, like, a way of thinking about the world, a framework that he could use to apply it. And the left has that. I think some pro democracy, like the Chris Murphy's of the world, I think do have kind of there on their way to that.

But most Democrats just don't they don't I don't think Chuck Schumer does. I don't think a lot of like mainstream Democrats have that. And so they kind of Korean like through politics,

“figuring out what's the best way they can kind of represent the party signal to the base,”

they're on their side like kind of not be too far to the left, whatever. And it kind of leaves them straight jacket. I think that's like kind of Kamala's campaign is like a signal example that. So yeah, like I'm not super interested in these kinds of like signaling policy pronouncements. I've got to ask you about that. That's one side for the one I said.

I do think that like short of coming up with that framework. Screaming about how much damage I'll Trump is doing would be good. It's better than nothing. It's certainly better than then like leaking white papers. I just while you're talking, I just googled ice raid community college.

Those curious. It's like ice unlawfully arrested a Minnesota community college student. Ice is taking students into custody. It can't pisses like elderly community college. It's been over 20 to 25. This is shit that's happening right now.

You know, and and I think that there are plenty of opportunities to go engage with the world and show what you care about. Even if you have a couple of broad ideological framework, but you know, show where your passions are and signal that. Well, like without paying the stupid doing the stupid DC way. The governors have a little bit of advantage here because, you know,

we've seen pritz grow out there and he's having to make decisions about how to fight Trump in his state while doing the best he can, you know, to get the federal dollars. He needs what have you same for for new some and some of the other governors. But like, if you're not currently a governor, if you're a senator or if you're not in power, like, if you're not going to be showing up to lead this fight now,

like nobody's interested in you showing up on a white horse in Iowa and 2027. No. Speaking of Democrats, not not knowing what their North star is and how to move money around. You've been weighing in a lot on California local stuff.

And when I follow your feed, one thing that you are upset about is the local governance and law

“sangeless, you're upset about Donald Trump, you're upset about immigration, you're upset about the third star,”

you're also upset about local democratic governance and Los Angeles. So I'm curious, if you're thinking about maybe a future in local Los Angeles politics, or if you're just, if this is just an outlet for you to scream into the, into the ether, into the void. I want Democrats in this big rich democratic state to govern successfully. I want us to prove that we know what we're doing because it is a pretty tall order to tell the country,

we're here to save you while people are fleeing from California to Texas. And that is a legitimate valid criticism of how Democrats govern. It'd be one thing if I thought, oh, that's so unfair, the problems in the democratic coalition in California. You have nothing to do with the problems that Democrats have nationally. And I just don't think that's true.

I think the same kind of pathologies that we see locally in California are part of the problem actually. They're different, it's a big, big country, different, different issues, all all that.

But when I see the ways in which California Democrats, especially in Los Angeles,

aren't taking the housing crisis seriously, are aren't doing enough to deal with the fact that Hollywood is making fewer and fewer television shows and movies in Hollywood. And it's fucking with people's livelihood. It's destroying people's dreams. It's making people give up on what they imagine their lives would be because we can't get our

shit together and figure out how it's more affordable to make television shows in London. In fucking London, then it is in Los Angeles in the TMZ. TMZ is named for a big zone where you could shoot things without paying for hotels.

“That's the gist of it. That's what the name TMZ comes from.”

From this big region that has been the core of American, that has been in like the place from which American culture, cultural hegemony around the world came from. And we're just giving up on it. People can't afford to live here. People can't afford to make shit here.

We can barely build a fucking train in under 30 years. And it's just not accepted. Even your local train. This is what you're tweeting about. They're trying to build some, I guess, public transports and 80, 18 people complained about it. Now something built. No, it's, well, so that's an example where the pressure worked.

And we can potentially build it faster now. Currently, the time table is to begin construction when you heard you think it is. When will we be the infrastructure of what is it? It's like a, it's like a monitor. It's light rail.

It's light rail. The construction begins construction. We're March 31, 20, 26. I'd say you begin construction. I don't know. Probably like after the Olympics. So October of 2028, probably.

2041. 2041. The plan began. Dig a hole. You're going to dig your holes in 2041.

The reason this vote was in 2041. The hope, the hope was that if they could get this approved. You can unlock some funding and start construction sooner. That's what this fight was about. It was the possibility of maybe if everything goes right,

building before 2041. This is why I'm in sense about it. This is, this is why I'm bothered by it. And we need more people to get in it here on Los Angeles. Don't talk nuclear weapon.

Lots can happen before 2040. Because I'm interested in not that it is about. It felt like it could be some better options. Better you excited about anybody. Right now, in polling.

We do this jungle primary out here where top two. Go on to the general and there's a legitimate possibility right now. But the top two finishers will be the Republicans. And so do you really have to stay deserves that kind of? Like, do you feel like the, is this like a, this might be a Catholic thing for me,

that like there's some sort of cosmic. Like, like, you deserve punishment. No, I think that the California Democratic Party deserves it. But I don't think it's worth giving them the pain because we'll all have to live through it.

Katie Porter, Swallow, Styer are basically kind of in a different category than all the other candidates

that are pulling the single digits below them. The question is when those candidates will start dropping out. Their names are already going to be on the ballot because none of them dropped out in time to have their names not be on the ballot. People are going to start getting their ballots. I may third, may fourth, may fifth something like that.

And these people need to drop out and endorse because what California should really have is

“to Democrats, you can get out in the general because that's what the majority of voters can be deciding.”

Anyway, at the very least, we need to make sure one Democrat is able to get more votes in these two Republicans that are splitting all the Republican votes. Now, that shouldn't be that hard, unless, unless people don't do the right thing. So I don't really, like, I would love to have the luxury of having a favorite. We need a Democrat to be in the election.

The Senate has a mayor and I don't think it's going to happen for him now. Okay, last topic, we saved every that this everybody. All right, here's your dessert.

Love it looks paint. I'm not going to be on this long. Okay, love it looks. I'm good. I don't feel painted.

Oh, you're projecting it on to me. I'm happy to be here. Yeah. I just, your whole body language shifted once I started talking about the California government. I'm just, like, it's unfucking believable.

They, like, I spent so long doing national politics and talking about national politics. And I really didn't pay enough attention. Like, I've been in California for over a decade. And I really didn't focus on it enough. I was too focused on on what we're building here.

“And obviously, that's what I think about most of the time.”

But I love Los Angeles.

I do. I genuinely love living here.

It is infuriating to me how many people are kind of struggling to make a life here because of how expensive housing is and because of what's happening to the industry. And it is an emergency. It is an emergency. And they don't treat it like it. And it makes me fucking nuts.

I love it for City Council. That's the passion I'm looking for. That is special looking for a congressional Democrats about what's happening in Washington. About to Congressmen in California and Congresswoman who I don't even, I don't even know who you are. I don't, I wouldn't recognize you on the streets.

It's insane. It's 2026. Make me know who you are. I'm in the political podcasting business. Scream into your phone.

Do something. Show protest. Show up. Final topic. Christy Knomes has been today.

“It was revealed as a secret cross dresser who dons gigantic fake breasts and pink hot pants”

to chat with online fetish models. While his wife operated at the highest echelons of government, handling monitors of national security. In a recent role as Department of Homeland Security, Brian Nome, 56 has been dressing up and paying adult entertainers to talk dirty. The Daily Mail has reviewed hundreds of messages involving three women from the

Limbo vacation scene where people transform themselves into real life Barbie dolls by pumping colossal amounts of saline into their breasts. Brian has been bimbo find himself. Thought his John love it. I'm not going to kink shame.

Brian. Is it just Brian? Brian? How do you pronounce it? It's just Brian.

Or is it just Brian? It's just an interesting spelling of Brian. Again, not going to kink shame the man. You know, however we get your rocks off, you know, not hurting anybody. Just putting in a pair of big fake boobies.

And it looks like maybe some lipstick. I don't know. It's hard to tell. Talk into the gals. Talk into the gals.

Wanting the biggest tautos possible. Just just magnificent gigantic javas. I think there's a beautiful thing. I don't know. I don't know.

There is something deeply dark about the whole thing. Because there's a moment in the Daily Mail story. And which he says, like, something like I need to get better. And then he stops talking to them for a while. And then he comes back.

This doesn't feel like a dance savage monogamous. This feels more like Lindy West cancelling the book tour. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, there's a darkness to this. Yeah.

There's a darkness to this. You have, you have no monoplaying with Corey Lewandowski doing kind of glamour shots in front of prisoners. It's a cost. And then meanwhile, Brian is at home. I'm putting in the big, big, big, big magnificent basumbas to pay women to talk to him.

You could see the PG Anderson send up of this. Like, I want to Magnolia style kind of dark biopic of Christy and Corey, Corey doing it. Count doing the eight-hour shift with our in the airplane. Come in home from El Salvador with his stank breath and terrible face. While his wife is at home texting him.

When you're going to come see your children. And, you know, she is getting alerts on her phone about the torture that is being inflicted upon Venezuelans under her watch. Then, like, the camera scene pans to Brian and South Dakota on the webcam with the tautas, the sailing. It's, it's bleak. It's a bleak.

It is bleak. And I agree with you. I want, if you're, if I want happy, that's for everybody. If that brings you happiness, then that's fine. But in the broader kind of context of her life, it's a pretty bleak kind of film.

“It's something that they could film in the TMZ if we're still making films, I think.”

My initial reaction to this story, which I feel like is right to tell you, is like, you can't hide from your own soul's brokenness.

So it's what I would just that that, like, you can go and you can, you know, pretend you're happy and put on a cowboy hat and ride the horse and never apologize.

Never admit wrong. Act like everything you're doing is right. Act like you've got it all together. You're powerful. You're strong. You're tough. You're, you're doing it. You're the leader.

You're the one that you could be president someday. But there's a darkness in you. And it's why you thought when you killed that dog, it'd be a story worth telling.

It's going to infect your whole fucking life without the cracks.

I'm not one to say a person is or is an evil. They're plenty of evil people in the world. But I do think there's evil inside of us.

“And I do think that, like, that evil that darkness, right?”

Like, if you don't face it, you don't deal with it. You end up leading the shield of America as well. Your husband is at home. [laughs] To pay women to talk to him.

While he says he doesn't know what to do about his own wife's affair. So it's the whole thing makes me quite sad. It's quite difficult. It's quite difficult. To answer the wide-collary question. It's interesting you brought that evil.

You recommended a book to me recently that I read one chapter of it. And I was like, you know, I'm going to save this for summer vacation. I'm going to save this for summer vacation. But I told you that I'm evil. It's fine. No, it's good.

I'm interested in it. But I just, I got a chapter in the story of me anyway. Why don't you share? Is that supposed to be private? No.

I saw a Catholic priest talking about a definition of evil. By an author from like the 70s or 80s.

I was like, well, I've never heard that before.

And I also love what like stepping out of our current time. And just finding old books that people aren't even talking about anymore. I just like want to get out of the algorithm. I want to get out of the words. I'm sick of hearing.

And so this guy named M Scott Pack, who I hadn't heard very much about, didn't know anything about. And I started reading the book. And it was just interesting. The way this guy was so kind of able to leave like a spiritual idea of good

versus evil and his own experience as a psychotherapist. And I thought or a psychologist. And I said, oh, that's interesting. I'm enjoying this. That's something Tim might like.

And the further I got into the book, the more I'm like, oh, he goes exorcisms. I gave him a best year. Now there's an exorcism. All right.

Okay. I'm before the exorcisms. You know, it's. It's. It's.

It's another dark tale which is like easily transitioned from from Christy. You know, talking about the. A man and exorbs and North Carolina, like. Leaving his family and having his dark visions.

Yeah. And blackouts. And then he engages in these behaviors. Anyway, it's an exploration of evil which is important for our time. And I appreciate you recommending to me.

And I will finish it on summer vacation. Maybe I can't promise to finish it.

I will give it a second try on summer vacation the summer.

Finally, I just want to check in on on the light inside of you. I mentioned your wedding. I know you're how do you feel. You know what, what's your. How are you processing?

You know, every day you've got to live in the news. You've got to watch the worst people in the world ruin society. You've got to get feedback from viewers about your pimples. You know, you just can't. You can't just exist, you know, it's kind of challenging.

And then meanwhile, you know, you've all this all this good stuff happening in your life. I'm just. I just want to check in with you. You know, it's a. I thought our charity is embarrassing.

Never been happier. Happy for you. I remember because, you know, John and Emily got married in.

“In 2017, and when I think about that wedding, right, I do not connect.”

Oh, Trump just won. And, oh, John and Emily are getting married. There's. He leaves. Except right now.

Who really was like, what? Think about that. When I think about that wedding, there's no politics in it. Yeah. There's no like, oh, we did that we had a good time despite.

There's no despite. It was just a lovely, like, awesome time. And I'm sure at that wedding there are conversations. I no longer remember about what was happening in the country. But for the, but truly, it was just that is life.

And that life can be good. And you don't have to let politics ruin it. In fact, you sort of have a, I think, a duty to yourself and and your friends and your family. To not allow that because you, they can't have even one more thing. So that's how I think about it.

I'm very excited that we're getting married. I also feel like having a gay wedding and just like that. They're not going to keep us down at all. And I feel a bit overwhelmed by how much between now and then. Between, like, there's like this sort of overwhelm of like doing the wedding stuff and doing the job, whatever,

but like it's good problems to have. So I feel good. I'm like, Trump being so unpopular. And in the last year, the fact that it turns out that even Trump at his worst is not so strong, a force as America can't stop it.

“I think is to me where I'm at, which is why I am in a better place about what's happening than I was a year ago.”

Not to say things can't get worse, not to say they can't try to steal the election, not to say a lot of terrible shit can happen and think can't take a turn. But right now, that to me is the story of the last year. Yeah, I agree with that. Though occasionally, I have to internally come back the evil inside of me and wonder whether I'm.

I'm rooting for the bad stuff to happen. But okay, that's for another podcast probably unless you had a thought you wanted to share about it. Unless you wanted to absolve me in my sense. Inside of each of us, there is, there is, and everyone has it. Everyone has it. There's an ice agent in here. There is, there is it. Everyone had that.

There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a little Christy, no, inside of all of us. They want to, to dream and be loved despite all the terrible things that we do. Right, there's just, there's a little darkness. There's a Christy in me, but there's definitely a Brian. All right, everybody, we will see you back here tomorrow for another edition of the podcast.

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“Yabos, 10. I'll have them. I love saying, yabos.”

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