Michael Steele: Tripped up by Their Own Lies

>> Hello, and welcome to Bullet Podcast.

I'm your host Tim Miller, delighted to welcome back to the show, co-host of MSNow's The Weeknight, also a former chair of the RNC. He is Lieutenant Governor of Maryland. It's Michael Steele, what's up, Chairman? >> That's a big term.

How you doing, baby? Look at you, looking good. >> I'm doing good, well, you think so? >> I don't know, I'm at the end of my week, man. I got, my vacation starts tomorrow.

I got one more after you, so I don't know. It might be a little rough. >> That's all right, baby, all right, don't worry. >> We got you, I'm just trying to sprint through the tape, sprint through the tape. >> Man, there was a lot of shit happening yesterday.

>> Yes, so we're going to play a lot of people. There's a confirmation hearing for the new attorney general, the new director of national intelligence, the vice president was on Joe Rogan's show, and had some interesting theories, much to get through.

I guess we'll start with Blanche, it feels like the most important story.

>> Yeah, this president's own attorney being attorney general. >> But what do we just go straight into that? John Kennedy, my senator from Louisiana, just kind of asked about his relationship with President Trump.

“And I think it kind of sums up the whole deal.”

Let's take a listen to that. Are you in President Trump for him? >> I'm his lawyer, was his lawyer, and now I'm the deputy attorney general. They call that the Kinsley Gaff, or for all Michael Kinsley. >> Yeah, the thing about it is, these guys just cannot help themselves.

Right now, a lot of them, because they've had arguably a lot of success, bullshitting people, and pushing through narratives, and upending so much of not just culture, and economics, but the political dynamics that have always been in a very important balance between Democrats, Republicans, between our country and the world. And now they sit there in their arrogance, and those moments like that, and it gets better,

and when the guy is sitting there and referring to himself, as the president's lawyer, like, dude, this is not how this works. This is not the role you're supposed to be playing, but it is the role Donald Trump wants to play.

And that's the critical thing I think, Tim.

You've talked about it, I've talked about it.

“All of these actors are in our own the stage, because that's what they want to be,”

and they're doing what they want to do for one person and one person only. Their self value is zero. They have no self worth. I don't care if you're Mark O'Rubio. I don't care if you are this guy, right?

The reality of it is you give yourself over in a way so completely and so fully, it's the only way you get on the stage, it's only way you stay on the stage. So there are so many revealing moments yesterday, between both of those, the DNI, the attorney general nominees in how they responded when asked very simple direct questions, that's when you see that but whole clinch up real tight, right?

It gets real tight and they get real nervous and they just start to hover to hover to hover to hover to. And then the truth slips out. Yeah, I mean, there are definitely two ways to go there with Tyve Lancer is the psychology of this.

Like, why do you want to humiliate yourself like this? Why do you want to be this person? Yes. And then there is like the serious nature of this thing.

“You are around, Chairman, you are around after Watergate, right?”

How old were you? Oh, exactly. I don't want to age you. Oh, Watergate. I was 15.

I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like my version of the Clinton stuff and it's like, look, that's formative.

We made all these changes because the president of the United States was corrupt and he was using the power of the Justice Department to go after his political folks. Yep. And that's not how things should work in a rule of law country. And we realized, hey, okay, we got to make some changes, there need to be some more rules,

some new laws, some new norms, some more ice to prevent this from happening again. And like, here we are. And John needs to let all these people still live like Nixon's not like, it's not as as if this was a lesson we learned in the history books even, right? You know, like, a lot of people lived through this and we're just like, no, fuck it.

We're going back. And I guess 51 Republicans are going to be like, yeah, whatever. Yeah, that's exactly the far. I mean, it's just the fucking attitude to me is the most disturbing and just how easily we slid into it.

I mean, it's just, I mean, what what angers you or dulls your senses about the country

president of the United States and individuals around him, that just four years later, you say, let's do that shit again, let's just go back there again. And I think a lot of it, Tim, and I've said this from the very beginning, leadership defines.

Leadership is an essential element in things that move and shape a city council, a community,

a country when the men and women in power and leadership capitulate and give in, give up, give up on the idea, give up on their own leadership. This is what it looks like, Republicans standing on that stage in 2016. I still, for God only knows what reason they put Donald Trump's fat ass in the center of

“that stage. He had no political relevance in the conversation. The only thing he had”

going for him that he was a billionaire, purportedly. And everybody started looking his feet and working their way up his legs and the rest of it, thoroughly, thoroughly. In that moment, that, that given, that give up, set us on a very perilous course. And so now, the question is we sit here and, you know, can we stop playing the bullshit game?

All right. Oh, do you think the Republicans are finally going to break with Trump and

not support, you know, the nominee? I guess that's what I'm talking about this this morning, Chairman, just really quick, just for the record. I want to record to reflect. I was watching hearings yesterday, so I'm going to speak in that manner. I said, it's early. And you're starting to talk about those people getting a serious Donald Trump in 2015.

You thought I said thoroughly, like I was, I was, yes, I ended up you. And I was, I was trying to rain you back in. I'm not, I wasn't ready for that mental image yet, but anyway, here we are, there's more of that coming. Oh, this more coming. I was watching CBS this morning. I like to check in on what's happening over there on the real news from time to time. It's still a television station. So I guess they didn't shit.

That the reporter, okay, and he had a very nice action. It's going to reporter, but she's

“like talking about how the key vote here is John Corne. Yeah, John Corne and hasn't decided”

what he's going to do yet, because he doesn't have an election anymore to worry about, because Donald Trump just totally pants him and took away his dignity and supported a criminal. I'm certain job of the hut, looking, cheating, nasty mother fucker, instead of it. So anyway, Corne has no reason to do a Donald Trump. Once he actually has good reason to the opposite, he was questioning yesterday about this weaponization fund, Blanche, and basically saying this isn't

dead. No, you keep saying it is. It's not, there's no, it has been formally shut down. And so, you know, they're speculating over there in CBS. It's like, well, this could be the key vote. It's just like guys. I mean, John Corne is going to, is going to have his John McCain thumbs down moment right now over Todd Blanche after a decade. It's just, it's laughing. No, it ain't happening. It ain't happening. I, you know, I'll be happy to come back on this podcast

and need every inch of the words, but it ain't happening. They will line up and they will

bend over as they always have and they will give Donald Trump exactly what he wants and they

will give it to him in the way that he wants it. And so all of this, you know, speculation in our press, I just wish our press would grow the fuck up. I just really wish they would stop.

“I don't know how much more runway you need to recognize how this administration functions,”

what this administration's objectives are and how they punk everybody, everybody, including you. And yet, you continue to write stories and tell narratives as if this is George Bush and Barack Obama, you know, going at it. This is not, this is not that environment. That's dead. That's gone. That is in the history books right now. We are living in a new reality politically in this country, which, in which a lot of ugly and very dangerous precedents are being set. And so the

concern you should have is not corrective action by the next democratic administration praying for that. But praying that the next democratic or Republican administration does a want to build on this

how to really do it. Guys, there are some competent people in here. We're not going to bring in

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does. This is not going to be the swing voter in the Iowa Senate racist key issue. Maybe that's on a swing voter, maybe it's just somebody who's disillusioned by Trump and decides that they're not going to do this, et cetera. I want to play the other, I think, key exchange from yesterday was with Cory Booker talking about how blanch moved Maxwell to this clubbed after an interview.

“Did your interview with Ms. Maxwell lead to a single, additional person being charged, yes or no?”

No. Did it lead to a single new investigation, yes or no? I can't talk about what there's any investigator. Did you discuss her transfer to another institution, yes or no? No. Well, just one week after your meeting, Ms. Maxwell was transferred from a low security federal institution to a minimum security prison camp, were you involved with that transfer? When, as I've talked about before, in the time leading up to me going down to meet with her,

we learned that she was receiving threats that turned out. I'm going to interrupt him for a matter of time because, okay, well, it's not a question I can answer, apparently, in the start you're giving me. I'm going to tell you this because I deal with the rituals of criminal justice. When people are under threats in a biorephasin facility, they're put into solitary confinement

or protective. They're not moved to a camp. That's not always true. It is true. What is true is

someone that is accused of child sex trafficking under the Bureau of Prison's own policies is not put in a facility like this that seems clearly like a reward. Rewards. It is so foolish. This is this. I'm glad Corey did what he did because that's just a clear example of how blanch speaks. I'll give blanch credit. He is, he's got a silver tongue of bullshit and he knows how to say the words, right? Because his assumption and largely correct

is that most people don't know what the fuck he's talking about and don't know how the system, the prison system or the Bureau of Prison's works, what the transfer rules up. Corey Booker does. He was a mayor, right? He's a United States senator. He deals with these criminal justice issues all the time. So he knows how the prison system works and he's absolutely right. If you are a prisoner, I don't give a damn what prison you're in. Your inwriters or the local polky when you

with minimal security. Like goat yoga. Right. You know, he got therapy dogs. Right. They don't

“know that they don't give you a kitty. Maybe that's how that works. That does out of the works.”

Todd Blanch did what the what the deal was. He gave Maxwell what she needed to keep her damn mouth shut. And I guarantee you on the table is some type of commutation or pardon for this bitch later on. Trust me on that. This is important when dealing with these wires, right? Like they construct these lies, and they construct these like fake narratives and fake stories. And sometimes rather than like going at the fake story, the best way is just to like roll back the lens a little bit.

And I like that what Corey started there, which is like, you know, if you were gonna go interview Jeffrey Epstein's right hand man, you would think that like the point of that would be to get additional information to find the other purves, right? And I said, that's where he starts. I like that. You know, because you know he's gonna lie about transferring her to the other prison, but it's like, wait a minute. Right. What were you doing? Like that was your job. You were the debby

trained Joe. You're sitting there with the most notorious child sex trafficker alive in the country. You didn't get another lead. Like I'm in the Big Lebowski. And it's like, you leads? No, you know, that lie was there. What about the credence tapes? I was there to let her know. You keep your mouth shut. You play ball with Donald Trump in the administration. We will take care of you.

“That's why he was there. He did not go there to get any additional information to find out”

anybody else's name. None of that. When you are mentioned 38,000 times in the files, trust me, your lawyer's not going there for any other reason, but to protect you. Period. That's it. And so I agree. I love the way he set that conversation up. The smart ass lawyer fell into the trap because he had to answer the question that revealed the rules. And that was it. Those two questions, do I'll get to get the information? Did it lead to any

of the prosecutes? No, no, no, no. Why are you there? It's a pretty depressing state of affairs. He's going to make it through. I don't understand what I was talking with Mayor Pete about on Tuesday. It's like how to even, you know, once you've moved back to this this world with a department of

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confident about what you're buying online. I want to go over to the DNI as well. So, this is an interesting situation. So Trump had appointed obviously Bill Pulti, who is that guy that's like 37, but looks like he's 55. And he's a netbo baby and he was part of the meme stalks with the game stalks.

to be in the DNI. That was the one time when some of the Republican senators were like, come on.

“Like, this is ridiculous. Like, there are plenty of hacks that I could at least like went to one”

class where they used to learn. You know, went to foreign policy class at the Elliott School or something. But then you're a place with another guy that's a ridiculous choice. Jay Clayton is just a lawyer hack. He had been in the Manhattan DA's office. Interestingly, he was the one that signed the warrant this week going after the New York Times for their reporting about Trump's hand-me-down plane and how it doesn't have the air defenses that you'd need to keep people safe. His performance

was, we're going to play one clip, but I just I don't know if you had a chance to watch much of it.

I mean, it was significantly worse than all lands for me. It was a preposterous selection.

No, do that. That was a shit show. Just on the question of who won the 2020 election. Let's just go straight into that one. This was John Oslo. It was really good. This goes on for like three minutes. I'd recommend people watch the whole exchange. You know, we've limited time on the podcast. So I've picked out my favorite part. But John Osloff was just relentless on this and then let's just flow over. We've established that you have an obligation to be honest and forthright with this committee

and with the American public. But you refuse to answer a simple matter of fact about the 2020 election. Is that right? No, that's not right. Then answer the question. Who won the 2020 election?

I have answered the answer it. What is your answer? I've given you my answer. What is your answer?

Just sitting back in this chair now. You refuse to answer a basic question about who won a presidential election. No, I was. But you asked to lead America's intelligence community. Isn't it humiliating to be unable to answer this question to have to indulge the president's delusions? That right there for me. That sums up everybody. It goes back to what I was saying a moment ago about all of these as holes that I get trotted out, whether there are current

members of the United States Congress or the Senate, or want to be appointees to various positions,

“that right there, that humiliation, that you have to put yourself through, that you consciously agree to,”

that in, I want this job so bad. I want to be in Donald Trump's. I want him to like me so much. I don't want him to say a bad word about me. I don't want him to have a negative tweet about me. I will do whatever he tells me to do. I am that much less of a man that that's who I am. He is my son. He is my moon. He is the stars to which I go to bed at night and the breeze that I wake up to in the morning. That's Donald Trump for me. That's what I hear.

When he's motherfuckers get up and start talking that shit. When they can't sit there and say the basic thing, yeah, Trump Trump lost. But guess what? He's president again. That's all you fucking have to say. That is not hard. What is so hard about that? He won the next one. Next one. This guy, man, Clayton, he was a prick. He was on serious, in a different clip, I've got to pull this, but Oslobs asked him about the raid on Fulton County. Yes, he says I've learned

about this yesterday in your office. It's like, what? You want to be the director of national intelligence, and you're telling me that you did not know like the biggest news story about happened to your predecessor? Well, she there. I didn't know she was in Georgia. I just learned yesterday she was in Georgia. Why was she there? Nobody's listening to that to you and any of the briefings for this hearing. You didn't pick up the Wall Street Journal. I don't know you can ask

you to read the New York Times or watch MSN. Now you didn't pick up the Wall Street Journal. Like, this has been the news. I think it was on Fox. That whole string of words. I'm sitting there Tim going, what the hell is happening here? This man, as he, but the thing about it is, he did know about it. That would be tough. They briefed him on it. He doesn't come to this hearing not being prepared to answer the question because he knew his staff or the people preparing him

“knew he would be asked. So they found the best way for him to answer it was to pretend to be stupid.”

Well, it's the director of National Intelligence, the intelligence is kind of in the word, being that knowing in the word. What's the phrase he says? You'd like to say monitoring the situation, kind of monitoring what's happening out there is kind of the job, actually.

I hear a little bit about everything that I get details about the thing I need to have details about.

But that wasn't where he was going. And what he wanted to do again, doing a little bit of the Pam Bondi asshole arrogance, right? Sitting back from the microphone, there is no difference. No difference to the Senate, to the individuals who are making the inquiry who hold their political appointment in their hand because they know that regard, they could sit there and shit on the table. And the Republicans would absolutely go, that's the best shit I've seen in

years. Make you. Give me a spoon. Give me a spoon. Well, a staffer, fetch me a spoon.

“Man, this is, and they vote a man is honestly, I was happy to watch this. It's just like, how can”

you Tom Cotton is a chairman of the supposedly the National Security guy? How can you pretend

like you care about the country's National Security and vote to confirm this person? His performance was clownish. This is, this is his resume. It's kind of like, the resume is slightly more serious than Bill Polty because he's just a scam artist and above maybe and so people kind of don't talk about it. He worked at Sullivan and Cromwell from 1995 to 2017. His whole career, he was just a lawyer. He did the Barclays acquisition of Lehman Brothers. Like, I'm just going through

his bio here. He was, he was part of the M&A sale of the Atlanta Hawks. It's like, this guy doesn't know anything about national intelligence and then after that Trump appointment at the SEC, like, he doesn't know anything about foreign policy. You know, he's, I'm sure he's been to some shadows and France with the money made it. It's been to a few shots, but like that's it.

“Here's the thing, as part of the job is in the title, right? The statute creating the job is very clear.”

It states, unequivocally, Tim, that the director of national intelligence must must have, and I'm quite, this is, the exact words, extensive, national security experience. It uses the word extensive in the description of the job. Extensive national security experience. That's who the DNI should be. Not some M&A lawyer who put together a merger or happens to be the buddy of the president, but he's going to the job

because come this November. They want to use the national security apparatus once they declare a national security breach relative to our elections. That's what the

“speech tonight by the president is going to be about. They're already setting up the conversation”

for evidence that China or Russia or some nefarious country, maybe Iran, is interfering or trying to interfere with our elections. And this month, the focus is going to be the one on point to execute on the project 2025 plan to rip the election apart, to help the Republicans want to power their skills as an M&A lawyer does come in.

Because really what they're trying to do, I can basically what we've seen for what they're planning

and talking about. A lot of the stuff is that we've known. China was trying to get voter data. It's like, "Okay, you could go get the voter roll if you have a couple hundred bucks in a lot of these states." The job here as DNI is not to actually learn things or inform things or protect. It's to take little nuggets of information that can be manipulated to make it seem like Donald Trump's a victim or one of his foes is a bad person.

And then put that. That's his job. And that's kind of a lawyer's job, I guess. So he does have experience with that. Yeah, I mean, look, it's all right, lawyers. This is the plan. It's why they want to put these people in strategic positions. I had a time so that once the narrative is set, they start to call the shots. They need to call to move

the objective along. It's having this fool as the DNI is having blanch over at the Department of

Uber ice activity. Look, ice is kill two people in the last week and a half, two weeks.

“And I'll be honest, it's just almost a dull roar from the American people at this point.”

So I was talking all day yesterday. Yeah. It's just a dull roar. I don't know. And these weren't even individuals that they wanted to these were the wrong people. They're killing the wrong people. Right? Are they them? I mean, they're both brown guys. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Do they care? They don't. They don't give a shit. And the reality of it is the country is like, okay, well, let me know.

I know, I don't melt out. We was God loves Sarah, and then she did a focus group this week and was telling us about it.

It was asking people about the metaphor of Maine shooting. And it was just blank stairs.

And I get it, man. It's summer. Yeah. You know, kids are at home. You got a parent in work.

“You know, you got to go down to the barbecue, get into the lake. But like, you know,”

yeah, that's where we are. That's that's our country right now. Our civic senses have been dulled, deadened. Our aspirations for future for the future of our kids is seeping away from us. And they know that. Steven Miller knows that. And they keep pounding the same thing to the point where he's like, all right, fine, whatever, whatever, whatever. I just want to go back to my book. And that, that is the unfortunate part. Generations before us, Tim, in moments like this,

leaned and not away from what the country needed to find a real time who we were in the face of Nazis, even even with homegrown Nazis here in the US, finding a way to push through that, not succumbing to it. And today, it's just easier to give up. And it's just it's frustrating in so many ways. And look, I know that's not everybody. I know that there are a lot of good people out there. You know, people listen to this. They're suffering through this. Exactly.

They're suffering through an hour and 20 minutes of me banging the table yesterday. And they're back today. We're on this. We're linked folks. I just want you know, we are linked arm and arm. We are linked and arm together. And so yeah, you know, guys like Tim and me, we have, we have that honest moment where it's like, what the people come on. We're not talking to you. We're trying to wake up everybody else who's sleepwalking through this shit. Because I'm telling

you, on the fifth, the sixth, the 10th, the 12th, the 15th of November, we could be in some real shit where the every election that a Democrat won in this country is called in the question.

“And it's called corrupt because that's how Donald Trump wants it to be. And he's put in place”

the people who will do that. And so what we're saying is be vigilant now, waking up on Wednesday, going, what the fuck? That's no, that's not where we can be on this. Amen to that. So this is the administration in a nutshell, right? It's the serious menacing threats paired with clownish absurdity. Right. So let's go to the clownishness now.

Oh, I thought we were dealing with that part. Well, I mean, again, they're all, they're always

intertwined, you know? And sometimes it's like it's 80% clown 20% menace. And sometimes it's 80% menace 20% clown. I felt like the confirmation hearings were mostly menace in a little clown. They weren't going to say, yeah, the Joe Rogan interview and the Pete Hague Seth, social media post are mostly clown. Well, dealers choice. Do you want to go to the naval observatory or the Department of War next? Who do you want to? Oh, wow. Okay. List, list dude, naval observatory. Okay.

Let's do JD Vance. He went to Texas to be a Joe Rogan. They talked for three hours. So we're not going to do that many clips of that because you can only take so much. But they did a lengthy absteen thing. We kind of covered absteen with blanch, but like, JD is in doing this interview with Rogan that's like, I don't know, absteen might be a massage. It seems like he's a massage. And he could be say, I have a probably massage because he's probably the Jews. And also, you know, he has

he isn't the highest levels. He just he had infiltrated everything. But not the very highest, not the tipy top, not Trump, but I, you know, he is in the pictures of the most, but everybody else, he was involved. And I just we just don't know. And it's just like guys, even in

it's that the massage isn't just behind absteen. They're behind the failed war plan that he's

working on as well. It seems like let's listen to them talk about that a little bit. But my sense is that the way that all foreign influence works in the United States is people try to manipulate American public opinion and then from manipulating a public opinion, they try to get the outcomes that they want. And this thing is a very good example of this. There are some people within their system. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt who are manipulating and trying

to change American public opinion to keep the war going on indefinitely. That is really talking about they're manipulating us to keep the war going on. Oh, I mean, before that last little bit, he just described the Trump administration. He just described the fuck what they're doing every damn day. If they're manipulating information to get the results that they want. The battle in the Jews do it. He's saying that the Israel has been manipulating the telling

parties are like, they are doing that to keep the war going on and they're succeeding. And it's like, bro, I mean, sure, like you invited them into the situation room. So you kind of started this, but it's like, the war's going on because you guys don't know what the fuck you're doing. Like,

“that's why. So basically what you're saying is you and the president are so damn dumb are so”

gullible and stupid that you allow Benjamin Netanyahu trick you or manipulate you into going to war with Iran. And you're still so damn dumb and stupid that you don't know how to end it. That's what you're telling me, Mr. Vice President, that you're that stupid. That's just pitch. That stupid that you allowed yourself to be pulled into a war in which 14 American soldiers were killed. That didn't happen with Barack Obama because Barack Obama wasn't that stupid.

Barack Obama actually negotiated a deal. And that pissed off Israel really because Benjamin Netanyahu couldn't manipulate Barack Obama. And over two years, not one soldier died. There was no inflation. There were no high gas prices. Beef was not at 16% over what it caused. I could buy some hamburger.

“But y'all were so stupid that all of these things happened. That's what you're telling me.”

That's his pitch. And it sounds bad when you say it, but you would say that. But like that's his story that he's telling Joe Rogan. It's like, we're getting manipulated. And it's like, I don't know, it does go on longer than that. And he's like, you know, we got to hit him back when they hit us. It's like, okay, well, you were just saying how cool they were two minutes ago. It is the most feckless thing imaginable. And I do think it's important to call them

we can stupid and feckless and all this because that's what the Republicans would be calling a democratic president that was doing this. The bungled their way into war and it was too weak to try to win the war, but too feckless to get out of the war. That's their situation. Dev, you just nailed it, baby. That's exactly it. That is exactly it. This is that this is our storyline. Here's the irony of ironies is that when they come out with the piece of paper

that has the deal on it, it's going to look exactly like what Barack Obama did. Verse, way worse. Actually, that's going to, that'll be the baseline. But then there's going to be other shit that Iran wants out of. We got to pay him more money than Obama paid him.

Levitt, I mean, you knew that the first treaty of Versailles was not going to work. When point one

had the word leaven on in three times. And so it's like, okay, so the vice president saying that Israel's manipulating us, which, okay, I mean, like you did this. All right, you're a big boy.

“Right. And then now you strike a deal. I just think of that. A key was the point man on the deal.”

Right. And so he's worried about Israel's influence. But then he struck a deal with the first point on it was like, it was incumbent upon Israel to not attack Lebanon. There you go. And so it's like, he put together a deal that allowed Israel. And who's surprised that interest? Iran. So, okay, Ben, put, put your shit down. Don't hit them anymore. All right. That's, that's, that's the first part of the deal. You can't,

you can't go up for Lebanon anymore. So it's just not bad. And you're so, you know, right away,

I told a badass, okay, all right, fine. Here's 300 million. Just take it. Okay, just go ahead and

But that's all right. We, we're going double that. Okay. We, we're double it. Make it 300. Okay.

The straight. We're going to control the straight. Oh, hell, fuck it. You guys continue to control the straight. But we'll charge a fee. All right, fuck it. You guys control the straight. We won't charge a fee now either. Okay. So that's our best offer. This is where we are people. That was that stupid. I hope, I hope we're going to talk about a little testosterone. Oh, yeah, that's coming up. We got one more, though. Because I have to get, I have to do this one. Okay. Oh, it's so strange.

“Look, here's the thing. I do sometimes like to be a little bit more generous to people who are on”

podcasts and other podcasters who get talking about weird stuff. So it's like, that's the point of this. It's a free flow in conversation. Sometimes the word done come out exactly right, you know, you're, you're shooting from the hip. You don't have an editor while you're talking. I get it. I get it. So you're, you're, you're going to sit down with your own talk in three hours. You're going to cover some weird stuff. This though. I, I just, I can't let this one go past. And they're, they're discussing

what, let's just listen, actually. Yeah, you, you have to be a very manly man to be able to eat a confidently, confidently eat a corn dog. Yeah, I don't know that I can do it, Joe. I eat them. They're good. Yeah, but it tastes good. Are you? I love corn dogs. I've been photographed. You have to photograph the eating a corn dog. I'm sure someone has one of, I think, corn dogs,

“which is the odd dog. What's the worst thing live that I've led? I try to try to eat my corn dogs.”

That's between, that's between me and my, my, my kitchen. I'm not scared to eat a corn dog. I just think it's funny that people just, they're so afraid of being, anything that looks like a dick, and can't banana's corn dogs. You know, thing I could get a reminder is just bad staff for a man, the way that he ate ice cream. I mean, it's like, you know, we could bring some of the stuff up, but it's like they would get him eating ice cream in the most ridiculous, suggestive way,

imaginable. So, Judy van Sajjo, bye, neat, nice cream. And he started thinking about it. He started thinking about, yeah, he's so honny for the ice cream. I know them. What is it? What is it? No, what is the suggestion when Joe, but I don't, man, it then secure eating a banana or corn dog and plant. Have you been to a state fair? But have you been to a state fair? Just walk around a state fair. It's not a man who's sitting

there going shit. I'm going to go in, I'm going to go in the closet and eat this shit. I'm going to go into the bathroom, find your corner, corn dog room somewhere. I can just go out of my corn dog and private. Yeah, JD doesn't have the self confidence to eat a corn dog. And he, and he watches Joe Biden and licking ice cream coming, and he thinks, and Matt, that's kind of like whipped cream. It's been time to him watching Joe Biden eat

an ice cream. I'm thinking about it. Getting good. That he's formed in the opinion.

Hot and bothers. I've never occurred to me. I don't know. You know, look, I'm a sexual being

Michael, I think about it. But like, I've watched Joe Biden eat an ice cream. It never occurred to me that there was something erotic happening. No, that was nothing erotic about eating ice cream. And there's nothing erotic about eating a corn dog, unless you eat it suggestively, unless instead of just putting it in your mouth and biting it, biting on it, right? I can imagine a suggestive way to eat a corn dog, but you know, you don't have to do it like that.

“Here's the thing. I'm just like, you don't have to reply to this. You know, on Michael Steele,”

so you can just sit there. I don't live you on, but I always thought, you know, you feel like the Kinsey scale. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it's, you know, I forget what it goes. If you're like a six, you're, it's just all gay. If you're a zero, you're a salsa. But like, you know, he interviewed a lot

of people. I always felt like the person that was like a one or two, they're just like a little bit

gay. That's kind of challenging. You know, because you're still grappling. You know, you can't be your true stuff. You're grappling through this thought that goes for a certain time to time. And some people are, you know, are, you know, some men handle that well, because they have self confidence, other men can't handle that. I, I look at the JD and I'm just kind of like, if you're, if you can't eat a corn dog and you're thinking about Dix when Joe Biden's eating ice cream, it feels like you might be a one or a two on the Kinsey

scales for me. That's just me. You can say that with that. Speaking of manliness, the Department of War as a new manliness policy, it's for 30 plus for geriatric warfighters. I don't even have an interim. We'll just listen to that, too. This was a social media post from PTAG's Orchestra. But while we invest heavily in our weapon systems platforms and gear, our most decisive tactical

which is why we must constantly look for new ways to optimize your performance, your resilience,

“and your long-term health. And to meet that commitment today, I'm authorizing a new screening”

program for testosterone deficiency for our service members. Ensuring you have the right testosterone levels to operate at your absolute best. Here we go with the Dix again. These guys, these guys are obsessed about what's between your legs. They're absolutely obsessed. What is going on with this? I don't need the secretary defense word about my testosterone levels. That's between me and my doctor if I'm so concerned. If I'm not concerned, I can still bench press. I can still

do shit that I want to do. There has nothing to do with my ability to fire a gun or to push a button

on a drone for a drone. What the fuck is this man talking about? Would you stop obsessing about

this Aryan military that you want to create? Because that's all this is. That's all this is.

“They're dragging black people out of the military. Now they got this dumbass policy”

that if you can't find a solution for the bumps that you get on your face because that's a thing in our culture for some black men, you've heard a razor burn. So the reaction from the razor blade on the skin causes these bumps to form. It's because of the course hair. Right. Course hair and in some of the hair grows back in which causes the bump to form. There's a medical condition. It is something that we deal with in the community. Oh, really? So now that

something that they want to go after, but it only applies largely to black men. Let alone the fact that you've denied more black officers who are moving up in ranks advancement in the military. So we know what you want to do with getting black and brown people out of the military. So now you want to try to play this other game. I guess you're going after a young white man who somehow don't have the right testosterone level. I don't know what we're doing here. What do you

think this military is going to look like? You know, kindergarten of the space. Kind of, this is one of those things where it's like it's such performative fake masculinity nonsense. You're just like, okay, I don't know. Whatever. Maybe to be on seal team six, it's better to performants max and make sure your levels are very asting. That's not me, man. I said here on my whole and just talk. Okay, that's fine. I'm not a performance max or was it a problem before?

Tim Hick said, took his ass off the couch and sat at behind the desk. Was it a problem in our military? Would show me the report, the report either DOD, they said, you know what? We have a testosterone problem with our military. There, there was no such thing. This is all made up bullshit because what he would Donald Trump and he, when they look at the review of the troops, they don't want to see anybody's belly over their belt. They don't want to see anybody walking slower than anybody else.

Or someone here's the thing who may look a little bit more feminine. Who's who's facing jaw lines

“may be a little bit more soft. You must have a testosterone problem. What the fuck are we doing here?”

Get in text him at the next checkup. I, you know, that's the whole thing. Like, do we have this P to X that's got to make a big announcement about it? It's just, it's, it's, we're just going to leave there. I can't do it. I can't do it. The poor people, some people listen to this podcast on school. Well, I wear this summer, but like on pickup, you know, for camp on carpool. And so I just, I want to apologize to the moms and dads that they're going to do in carpool,

did he? I, I, I, it's just, this is what the news is given us. It's not like we were seeking the story out. All right. We were deep on this, on the, by the way, what he's doing at the military, it comes to black folks with Clint Smith on our 4th of July episode. People miss that because you're on holiday, go check that out. Last thing, you're just, just on that point. This is another, kind of related news item. And it's same as it ever was, but I just wanted to mention it.

The Trump administration has replaced exhibit on slavery at the president's house where washed and lived is president in Filly. They removed the dirty business of slavery panel, the preference towel, the liberty of the Constitution was intertwined to slavery and the number of slaves increased through force breeding. There's another panel about washed and controlling the lives of

showing my ignorance. I was listening to a different podcast, but a week or two ago, I learned about

owner judge. I don't know if you know her. She was a escaped slave of George Washington that he tried to track down. And it's like on my book reading list for vacation, kind of the story of owner judge who didn't know anything about it. And so like, you know, this is, they'll honor make sure people don't don't just learn the basics about what happens to the founders. Well, that is true, but I'm sorry,

every time a white person walks out the house and sees a black man or a black woman,

“guess what? You got history right there in front of you because if you have to, if you make any”

level of inquiry about that person, it's all going to come back to how they got here. They didn't come on the same boat that your ancestors did. We weren't a different boat. And you got off your your folks got off with coins in their pockets and they found their way to New York or Chicago or

wherever they found themselves. We got off the boats in Baltimore and inapolis and in places like the

Caribbean in chains. And that's the story. You can't erase it. You can't rewrite it because every time

“you look at a Negro, guess what? That story is there. So just get over your dump shit and recognize”

the history of the country. Embrace it is who we are. It's not what we do now. Thankfully, all those Steven Miller and others would probably like to do that. That's not where we are. And it's going to be up to us to stop this stupid shit. You can't dumb us down. We've already read the books. We're already living experiences. We have too many video tapes on YouTube and everywhere else. But what happened in the '50s and the '60s? We know such a thing called civil rights.

“We know this. And if you know this, guess what? Your kids know it too. So while you sit there,”

trying to drum black people out of your life, you may want to go upstairs and talk to that white child of yours who's trying to emulate what black people do. How we talk, how we express ourselves, how we live, what we eat, what how we dress. Right? So if that fucked up for you, go talk to your kids and have them explain to you why you're wrong. We'll just leave it there. That was wonderful. Thank you Michael Steele. And we'll be seeing you soon. Yeah, baby. Look, I'll get that break my friend.

Going joy time with your family. You know, love to them and to spend some new time and us time and let this shit roll a different direction for however long you're away. I'll catch you on the flip. I'm going to be refreshed. I love my shit kickers on. I'll be ready to go. All right, that's Michael Steele. Everybody else we got one more. We'll see you back tomorrow for another edition of the podcast. Bye. The board podcast is brought to you. Thanks to the

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