Hour 1: Targeting Bud Crawford (feat. Nico Casares)

I'm saying, you can say that you're a hero.

“You're a master of the club, right? But you don't understand.”

Exactly. The man is jealous. He's a master of the club. He's a master of the club. He's a master of the club. That's right. He's a master of the club. He's a master of the club. Now, let's try it out. This episode of the Dan Levitt's Heart Show is presented by Draft King's Draft King's.

The crown is yours. I'm going to bring the energy for this. On the pitch clock, baseball, pitch clock is coming down to you. Can I tell you something? Baseball, pitch clock is coming down to you. Hey, baseball coming up to you now. Hi, everybody.

Pitch clock will be featured in the next hour. We have a United States Senator joining us in the next hour. We have Tony's friend joining us this hour. Jeremy, you're doing a live show, pitch clock at three o'clock with a good get, Chris Cody. You're able to get. You're able to secure

“Chris Chris, as a guest. What are you guys trying to do today at three o'clock also Ethan?”

So we're going to be watching basically every game that's happening.

Opening day. That was opening night last night. This is opening day. This is what baseball is about. The good stuff. It starts at one o'clock. So we'll be getting the back end of the first game today and then a whole bunch of games started two, three and four. So we'll be watching all the games updating people there. But we will also be playing a couple of our pitch clock style trivia games. And we're just going to have a segment called guys naming dudes, where we'll be talking about

players from the 90s. Could be either. Okay. However you prefer. Guys naming dudes, dudes naming guys, but we're going to be talking about old school names and make you happy like Ronnie Bellyart. Also, at one thirty PM, the episode of the pitch clock from today, that previews everything happening in the season with Adnan Verk. That'll be live at one thirty on our YouTube page on that YouTube playlist where Adnan will tell you that Logan Webb, who got lit up last night,

is going to win the Sion in the National League. All right. Great work by Adnan Verk. Loud seven runs last night and that information. Long season. I immediately sap what I was doing when I heard Ronnie Bellyart. See? I'd go earlier than that to Rafael Bellyart because I'm just older than you guys. You're trying to outbelly art him? I was. It's a Bellyart

“off and I believe I've got the bigger Belly. Bigger Belly. Hit that one out of the Bellyart.”

Can you guys let me finish my jokes before making you. It was so obvious he was trying to land the joke Jeremy. Got him. Jeremy's on funny in that chair too. Marlins.tv if you want more of Jeremy. I want more of me. I'll actually be the in stadium host at Lundypo Park this week, starting opening day. I'll be in Tony's friend to be here with us today. Oh my God, you guys. Tony's friend is here with us to celebrate flag football. But before we do that, I just I want to get to

something a little bit more serious because Pokemon Akua is putting the league in a very difficult spot because he's about to make more money than any of the wide receivers and he most resembles everything that has happened with Antonio Brown toward the end of his career. The details of this kind of meltdown ran Antonio Brown out of the league after he got a number of different chances. And I want to go through some of what is happening with Puka Nakua because he's now being accused

of antisemitism for the second time. He's also not even denying. It's not even just an accusation

or an allegation. He's not denying that he bit a woman. His lawyer is not denying that he bit a woman. Now I want to show his lawyer for a second so that you guys can see who Levi is, who is representing Puka Nakua as he gets in the game here of trying to correct some of the optics around what surrounds the second best receiver in football. That's Levi McAatherin and he looks the part that what you shaking your head or that's not Levi whatever. That's that's champ kind with a couple extra

LBS. Yeah, why me? Why me? You're trying to have a a thought provoking segment here on on Puka Nakua. You can't come out the gates with that photo. I just that's not now lost.

surrounding Puka Nakua because basically all I know about this person, as a human being right now,

“is he's exceptional at football. He plays a physical kind of football that makes me wonder if his”

hedge right given all of the details around his story. Yeah, and he's had some controversial opinions about CTE as well. I don't know if it's because his star continues to ascend and he's, you know, one of the the bigger sports stars in that market and in the league, he's a highly productive, but his offseason has to be concerning for the L.A. Ram. It's like I don't think it's unfair to say, all of this behavior is super concerning and strange because it's not just the biting accusations,

the anti-Semitism. I guess it's Manisfier adjacent to because he did that 8-in-Ross stream that started a lot of issues for him. It's his quotes. But there's also a lot of videos of him partying and maybe partying a little too hard videos of him past out, which certainly just that alone would be concerning for the L.A. Ram's. He seems to get after it and his family's had issues

“too. He's had siblings like good seal of car. He's had another sibling, a sulta fan,”

at a U.F. L. game while he was in uniform. So this would be very concerning if I were listening to Chameleon, the L.A. Ram's. This is not good, and this could be the side of things to come. And I don't think you're out of line, even though there was actual like felonious behavior and as we crescendoed, this is early sage, Antonio Brown, type of behavior that we were all kind of laughing at with the raiders and then it got out of hand quickly and I worry for Puka.

Early stage Antonio Brown behavior is about as large an indictment I can make of a athlete in that sport and Antonio Brown represents for me something that I simply had not seen before or experience in my entire lifetime covering sports, which is you've got a guy who's got a pristine reputation rebounding from homelessness in Miami to becoming a professional pillar who appears to get addicted during the social media age to social media and all of a sudden the access we have them is too

much access and we see someone go full-blown crazy on us and we don't know enough about C.T.E to understand is that happening because of the hit he took from Vantes perfect the style of play that Puka plays combined with all the other elements here make it so this is not a star on the faded end of his career like Antonio Brown was we still got several chances and want a championship as some of this stuff started this is a guy who's going to buy for the biggest contract in

the league next year if he can keep his behavior correct but the attorney and him are not even denying the biting allegation like that no there's a damning photo out there the lawyer saying it was just horse play but the photo is a bite mark on a human being that is that that looks like

“it's aggressive that's what my dad always told me to play with a model that was a very important”

piece of my childhood is no play with a model don't do that you know it always ends up bad

and it does better it though this isn't quay with a model this is quay with it and this is I know but it's still all in the same category quay with a man you could do with it is going to be filled in still in there I say quay with a man literally translated into hand games but it's also rough housing that kind of that kind of play let's play well I guess we got to do refron the league and we we're there already now I wanted to do serious thoughtful segment but we're now

at quay with a model and you didn't expect that I know so we play in the music after we do the thing again yeah we're doing it we're going to do it again we're going to revolutionize the industry is what we're going to do by playing the imaging to things after we've already done them this is good music for Tony's friend too just welcome him and he could subject matter too see what let me hit there all right have fun that yeah we don't even spend the wheel we know what it

is whego they mono every Latin kid who is ever born knows whego they mono because it is generational because it's transcends every family everybody knows you do not play whego they mono if you have a sibling if you have a cousin if you have anybody that is your same age you get into horse play you get into rough housing you get into things that you shouldn't because you start playing around

but it never ends up that way whego the mono always ends up serious starts as a joke

ends very serious ends with everybody going to time out everybody getting the belt at one point or an hope so truth you want me to be honest that's the truth that is the truth Tony tells the truth who is your friend Tony this is a land you mentioned then we're going to bring them back over Niko Kassaris to be for the USA flag football game right there buddy how does it feel we've ever had hope you just can't even be better about being

USA first year but if you want me to be honest but that's not the point the point is really buddy

incredible first of all to showcase what we could showcase on national television on box was

“amazing and then shout of fanatics because leading up to the to the event to the actual game”

it was incredible all the events they had playing out throughout the week all the guys they had showed showed that we're contemporaries in that space so it was pretty amazing they showed respect yeah 100% now did that respect uh start before the festivities are after you started kicking the rest so before the festivities but funny enough on Wednesday after the draft party we went upstairs to the little like rooftop they had there what up and take one Barclay cool cool dude showed mad

love the whole time was like talking like oh how are you guys going to pull my flag blah blah blah and we're like well you can't jump you can't hurt or there's no contact were you teaching him the rules as did he know that already or were you're like nah you everything you do in the NFL you can't do they knew it to some degree but they didn't know about like the no jumping that type of stuff so they they they they found out well take us through though what your expectations

were versus what ended up happening for those of you who do not know incidentally the pros Joe Burrow Tom Brady Stefan digs Rob Grunkowski there I believe I'm guessing that they thought they were going to win I believe that most of the people watching thought they were going to win without understanding that flag football is totally different from professional football it's

“quickness you don't need strength for anything it's just you have to be super quick super precise”

how did it go compared to how you thought it was going to go I always knew and I could say as a

team we always knew we were going to win the game I would say we felt confident I mean we do this all the time so it's a difference there they are picking this up on a week some some might have been training for it but for the most part they're trained for that NFL like that's what their job is right so we always knew we had confidence that we were going to win I just stopped personally that we were going to get more scoring from them because of the who they are per se but you could tell how

much the rush affected stuff that it they're only seven yards away they didn't have a blocker so that affected things and then the new one to the game affected also so you so it was easier than even you thought you knew you were going to win you did not know you were going to blow them out correct yeah and so it was easier than you thought you it like there wasn't nerves or anything

you guys were convinced yeah they're not going to be able to do the things we do we've trained for

years for what we're doing they haven't trained for any of this and it's a different sport

“correct and I think that was on full display but say it was easy you kind of did they're still”

NFL players so I'm going to give them their respect it's kind of doing that one thing that really jumped out and watching it is guys like say one in the NFL they look super explosive but power such a huge part of their game and power is not really needed all that much in this sport like the better athletes on television were on t_m_u_s_a_ because they were just so much quicker that was crazy but it's not just that it's not just okay I got a guy that knows how to play

on this smaller field and and with these rules like Devonta Adams all time is like one of the great as a gold line target guys ever in your d_b_s_ or blanket probably it's not diversity really yeah it's so like you guys know the angles you know how to manipulate the playing surface and there was one moment during the broadcast where you were essentially explaining the game to grunk and he was really receptive but in my mind in all of sports

I can't imagine a more difficult person to explain rules to anything when it comes to rules of any kind uh then grunk so how did that go um actually it was a complete opposite I mean he was just asking a bunch of questions like when do you know like what it's all in broadcasting when you know when to go and stuff like that and I had to relate it I played tackle football I played in college um out of small d_3 and d_c_ but I had a relay in that way I was like oh when

you know when to go in I'm like oh it's like a package it's like you know if it's too tight into your in the game if there's one tight end you know you're in the game so it's similar in that regard guys here that that's the sound of my calendar flipping over to march yes I know march is more than halfway over don't bug me down with details just stick with me here because march means one thing it means college basketball insanity drap king sportsbook the number one

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second game was a the founder Brady and Brady checks into the game yeah he immediately evades pressure sites sites steps impines grunk in the corner of the end zone yep and then grunk like then ends up like pulling his hand me yeah but right then in that moment you're like oh shit yeah all right that's Brady the grunk like all right maybe these guys can hang yeah hundred a thousand per cent i'd like grunk was a massive you guys didn't have an answer for grunk grunk the massive human being together around

playing any sort of football and i think it showed in flag football and he loved it like he was asking like i said a bunch of questions hung out talked with us all week so he was into it and he was like upset that his hand hammer what who was talking the most smack on the other teams

had to be Logan Paul Logan Paul was up there but honestly Logan Paul at the same time was like he rushed

one play he rushed at me and i threw that double pass back to hooch and he was like did i do my job there and i'm like yeah you did don't worry about it uh they ran Logan the entire game oh still press with his athleticism because it was drenched in sweat they were just sending

“them full sprint the entire game that's that's what rushers are man i mean and credit to them”

it's something in flag football it gets overlooked that rushers but how important they are in it showed we have a really good one in Sean Thread flash um who's the same guy who ran the route on lukikley and i mean it showed how much of a difference maker he is in the game or lukikley we're any of the pros particularly angry at the way you guys were beating them uh not really i think it if it was during the game to be honest with you it was all in the

makeup of like making the game like bringing attention to it to be honest with you but none of them where i think were truly angry about it i think the more it realized how different the game was when we actually got into the game there were cool moments in the broadcast where you can tell like oh like these guys realize this is tougher than we anticipated like Hopkins catches that touchdown you kind of see the competitive spirit there but then how much fun did you guys

have brick in their will because there were points where they capitulated to and then the like jailerames he wasn't talking as much towards the end jailerate actually so the first the second play of the game i threw a post to the one of the guys going by revealed and the Andre Hawkins of Montana was were like do you know this jailerames he like what are you doing and i'm like

“i'm not gonna like i'm like you can't be scared of them because that's how you lose the game”

so it was it was just about playing our game and and trusting our process and we have a bunch of great coaches and it just worked out that way Cubans right uh yeah all Cubans three for three

on Cubans never heard a coach uh on a fox broadcast say oh yeah to get it back as soon as i heard

that was the caprio me my back guys from Miami okay it's got to be for Miami we have we have a couple a couple of plays lineia gahita yeah i was gonna ask if you were speaking in Spanish because they wouldn't understand you you don't even have to like cover your mouth with a play sheet because you could just oh yeah yeah George's our head coach he's been doing it he's probably the greatest like full in a different format of all time quarterback wise so he knows a lot and it's easy to

communicate with him especially against maybe not so much as South American countries but against your Japan your Germany's in Spanish are you are you you guys are the gold metal favorite yes sir who's who's the silver like who's the big challenge so it's usually Mexico always gives us a hard game we just played them a month ago uh we won by a point yep Mexico is very good uh because they play it like us they play it year long and they do it all the time uh Panama's very good

and i would say Japan and Italy would be the next one after how many countries would have also won what you guys did um i think all of the other countries would also give them a game just because of the nuances i just don't know about how much i think we're the physically most imposing

“country that could compare so i think that's why we would have the edge over all the rest of”

the country so i'd be interested to see how that goes who were the NFL players who most underestimated you where you could just tell well you uh who's for example changed his entire tone before the game felt disrespected felt that people didn't understand was quoted as saying i'm better than my homes and then uh didn't quite walk all that back but was so moved by how gracious the NFL guys were throughout that everything he said since then wasn't the victory lap i was expecting

him to take because those guys offered you the respect on the front end but who underestimated you guys

be that i think like for the general like population like you think like really think about it it's flat guys who some work full-time jobs right compared to the best in the world athletes

“so it's easy to go that round us underestimated us but i think the more they realize going into”

Saturday what they got themselves into the organization it was that much more of a different game so the disrespectful stuff when this came out about it being in the Olympics right and NFL players waiting in the water saying that they would like to be a part of it uh you guys probably i know who's was vocal taking exception to it like guys this is a totally different game just because you've done this and the league doesn't mean that you can come take a hard job but who out of those two

teams do you think NFL guys that can actually give it a go go for the Olympic team um i would say it the hard part is is affect that their OTA season i want not coincide with right but Odell

had an incredible catch and he's out there there's no doubting receivers talent like no one's

going to sit here and and say Justin Jefferson Odell Beckham can't play at the same time but at the end of the day if you look at like how much are they really going to commit their bodies to it because like as you see like whoosh and vote and pop low the three guys running around they're five eight one forty five maybe but they fly so it's just a complete different place out on a complete different body type i was going to say it's wrong and Logan Paul strangely enough that those all kinds of

“yeah the rush are like you just let him go i think rock would be very good a flag football”

by the way who's who's the defensive guy that as you were playing you're like oh i can keen on this guy and like he can't stop because it was at the box he stopped was it the boxer parents Crawford maybe but Crawford there will be that yeah talk shit about but Crawford on the broadcast they're like they seem to be targeting Terrence Crawford he's the only non football player so i won't sit here in disrespect a arguably a Mount Rushmore boxer of all time

but he was bleeding up to love it he was talking like oh i whatever but that was a guy that every night sat there talked it up with us his team talked it up with us there's no better guy

that we met this weekend then but but he also talked shit and underestimated you correct first

and that's targeted at first and then you targeted him then you targeted him as a specific week not first but then he a listen to me if i don't under the ball a little bit more it might be a pick like i wasn't the best on by throw all weekend but hey belt ran a great route and he got there and like i said great dude pound for pound box or no bud Crawford there's just even in flag football the quarterbacks don't want to say anything take us through the specifics of the

awe and the expectation when Brady hits grunk when you realize what you're in the middle of and Mike Mike texted me that he got goose bumps with Brady walking out of the jaw yeah he did the Brady jump out because you knew that he was watching in the locker on my own shit these guys are good so like he's going over with his coaches and he does the the trot out there and he's looking intense and then his very first play he recaptures the magic with

grunk i imagine for everybody even the pros gotta be like holy shit he still has it like that's cool rated a grunk one last time but it's exactly what you're saying it's unbelievable it's radio grunk like there's no denying that and the other thing is the fact like crock moves like i don't want anyone to underestimate that grunk could move on that video it's my main takeaway it's like if he doesn't pull his hand yeah i'd love to see how that game played out because grunk still is

ungardable and it still has the gifts like he can go yeah it's incredible and and especially in

flag football where you can't get a like you can't play through his body you can't play contact so getting around grunk you can't play football you can't do if they couldn't do it in the pro yeah yeah yeah yeah that's the symbol greatest NFL combination there's ever been oh my god my tan and Jerry Rice have argument to that oh he's doing so he's got takes this

“guys got takes my life yeah but i think like you guys should seriously consider grunk because you can't”

get physical and and flag football the body types are totally different it's all shorter due but it's like grunk is such an advantage he just did a great thing right there because he's got me thinking now yeah rice is the best receiver ever grunk the best tight end ever Montana Mahomes Kelsey yeah those are the three but when the Reno Clayton what are we doing uh the reason then i think of wait Dan Dan i have a question for you round out your top five then we'll

take a little bit of a break round out your top five take it take it for a walk Dan i'm going to go ahead and put Drew Breeze to Michael Thomas on there over Jimmy Grant fun one Breeze to Graham was unstoppable that too let me think for a second here because the the thing about grunk right obviously Jerry Rice and Montana is unstoppable for a ton of different reasons but all

human being that's ever existed what is happening to us is it is it a guardable play do you

“well if grunk had played the rest of that game do you think it's any different i think it's closer”

for sure i i'm not going to sit here and like kid with you i think it's closer don't get me wrong these you even saw like jalen hurts was hitting grunk at ease also um so i think he makes a difference for sure but i still think that however but it's when we're scoring at the rate we score at if you like you saw the championship game they try to slow the game down try to keep it in their court because if you try going score for score with us eventually we're just going to

outscore you so i think that's where we would have ended up like breaking a part of grunk would have

played but i think it's a closer game for sure that's a good one are there any guys in the

NFL that you could see like that guy could would be a better flag full they did they do a good job of getting the right players for this like good kiler Murray beat like a better flag football

“quarterback then he's thought of as an NFL quarterback the more jackson i think those two are”

the obvious ones everyone's gonna point to after the game um i also think that there's two like something i noticed how much ground jalen ramsey covers so i think like singly in certain or two other ones that could potentially like okay they i could see them playing in that game next here receiver wise i think man davante atoms odo Beckham like those are those are the cream of a crop like yeah obviously just in java sent you march ace but i think already atoms and odo are all

timers right there with somebody like among rossing brown who's more quick not as big but like can can be shifty in swelty rekill obviously i'll kill uh Nico thank you for being on with us same congratulations thank you guys can we give him a better u_s_a_ chant these guys are going to be stars during the Olympics you might not know them now but you're about to know them because they're going to make you proud we're going to win we also have a gift for you we have Nico being able to

diagram the play that he threw the the the post court okay well let's do it let's do it let's do it yeah let's do it by way of conclusion here let's uh punctuation will have Nico will use the teller straighter did you guys tell him to draw penis no why didn't even lay that trap but you just did so he might uh go ahead no nobody uses the teller straighter correctly we haven't used it right once we have this race device in the modern age and we don't use it correctly let's go

hand just blame it on Tony let's go ahead won't do this with Nico like this yeah let's go ahead and show me I'm here for the hot takes too not about this but about uh NBA specifically because Tony thinks uh continent bull's brother Cooper flag yeah he does you okay all right walk us through this pain is great why you really cut him off did you know that uh Aaron judges older than Anthony Davis let's go ahead and do this so uh pretty much we ran spread and we saw how deep

Luke Keith Lee was here so Luke Keith Lee's here and usually in flag football when you got a spread concept you usually got some sort of man to man so we knew that Harrison Smith and who's we're locked up that that's it that's it I'm gonna count that's one ball from the side from the side that's a cotton ball speed uh Logan Paul and the center we're locked up and then with the slot receiver

“and Luke Keith Lee being so far back we knew we could run a triple move on him so that's what we did”

it's called a post-corner post and that's exactly yeah PCB and that's exactly what we ran no one in the NFL is ever that open yeah that was the one in the 15 yards of it maybe because Luke Keith Lee was playing strategy he was he was like owned in that game he clearly he was upset yeah yeah there's probably no he tried so hard and he is such like that is someone that it epitomizes like great tackle football no one here is gonna say like can speak good like how good Luke he put the wrong

body type he was a hundred percent very clearly frustrated and he does everything a hundred percent and emotional you could tell like when he just started grabbing the opposing team as opposed to trying to rip at their flags because he was so frustrated that it got to work so Luke Luke Keith Lee is really good friends with our media guys so they were talking in the week leading up to Shadow and Anderson um so they have a great relationship and even Luke they did a podcast for

the Panthers and even Luke was like yeah they saw me in the middle of the field and I knew it was no good after that you guys twenty yards ahead of them of course thank you Nico appreciate the time and congratulations thank you guys I appreciate you having me done Lebatart John's as low are you low neck I had trees bad news for what opposing teams in the trip all here two

gots this is the Lebatart show with his two guys we're gonna have pitch clock for you in the second

bunch of incompetence in charge of our government and then at the top of it you've got a dementia

“patient who's a felon who is helpent on making the United States his seventh bankruptcy and”

I'm sure mark Kelly will be interesting on a number of subjects including our airports being in almost total disarray inside and outside of the airports as ice begins to be used at the airport but they're giving out water so we will talk to mark Kelly about that I just asked Nico on his way out because I didn't mention what his stat line was for the game it was 23 of 25 for 332 yards six touchdowns and no interceptions against a bunch of NFL players I said how common is that

stat line you just said very come for the guy 23 of 25 for 332 yards six touchdowns

no interceptions against the pros and I guess the cliche doesn't work in flag football

if you have two quarterbacks you've got two quarterbacks the connection says and he he was fast with the correction about the connection because Jerry Rice and Joe Montana will forever be known as the better connection than the one of grung to Brady but what Mike was saying about the idea of have there been humans alive who can stop those two guys doing that many reps over that many years at the precision of what that chemistry is because golf has it with Saint Brown

yeah yeah I'm not saying best pairing ever even though you can make an argument I think statistically in terms of touchdowns that is but I'm saying most unstoppable at the peak of their

powers which quarterback receiver connection and it's not wide receiver just guy catching a pass

“is the most unstoppable and I thought they proved it I mean that remember that incredible game”

against the Denver Broncos where every one on the planet knew where the ball was going and I think like the same staffer and Cooper Cup have this you could do it with Stafford and Puka too can you can just guys that doesn't matter how well you play against them they're getting you uh Zads load circling back around on a conversation that started serious and then I threw flag football and Latin Riffrand LDM music at it what do you do in the modern age with all the

stuff I'm talking about if indeed let's not make it about let's not make it about Puka Nicole I also threw in the funny lawyer with the hat in there just to add yet more levity to a serious conversation not my best judgment uh in the hypothetical if I tell you that CTE is going to manifest in a way that leads to a bunch of bad behavior what do you imagine it's going to look like if we're comfortable diagnosing to a on CTE for stuff that happens on the field what do you

do with the only example we have right now that's a famous one they're more examples of this okay one of the greatest shootings greatest isn't the right word one of the most deadly shootings that there have been in New York City involved somebody standing in front of the NFL building and saying I'm doing this because of CTE and leaving a note and then was diagnosed with CTE what do you imagine the bad behavior the reckless behavior would look like that we'd feel comfortable diagnosing

hey is this person a person whose reckless and bad or is this a person plays a style of football that has harmed his head and therefore the behavior seems like real lunacy yeah I think it's I think it's what you mentioned I think it's like the guy who also went to the Kansas City Chief's facility

“remember I don't remember his name yeah yeah like I think I think it looks like that where I'm”

comfortable saying or as comfortable as I'm going to be blaming CTE because I'm given guys the benefit of the doubt that they're not just killers you know so if something like that happens where we're talking about murder and suicide that's where I'm more comfortable saying something must be wrong with their brain because what's going on here we're puking Akua I'm a lot more comfortable saying yeah you know what maybe he's got concussions maybe he's got CTE but also maybe it's just

an asshole like I'm more really immature yeah there's certainly a maturity issue there and that could be an issue too what's as I say but all these things can be made worse by a dude self medicating because he's very clearly parting a lot this off season to the point that he's being filmed partying and being filmed and photographed past out over there they're they're all connected I look the the sport does a good job of like making you accustomed to this stuff there was a

dude that score to touch on I'm one and a football for the Dallas Cowboys and like two weeks later was dead not even that long like we saw him in the end zone in all his glory and then there was a

there's very clearly as we all know by now and as this discourse has become more more normalized

“that while it feels reckless to talk about puking Akua these ways like that's how it always”

starts it always starts there and I think that sometimes we we just brush off like oh it's

probably headed for a tragic end but that'll be years from now so we don't have to do anything about it now and go out there I'll draft you in my third round of my fantasy team because you'll be incredible for me there's humans here and they're victimizing people too now so Junior say out was supposed to have taught us this a long time ago right because Junior say out was a good deal before anything that we're talking about Zads is going to the examples of death which obviously

should be the most jarring but it's not merely death that you have to have in order to get people's attention you need death and fame you need both of them to be involved because I just got built

yours first name wrong Mike I'm assuming I don't know the name of the Dallas cowboy that he's

“mentioning but it's not just death it has to be we've talked before about the idea of when are”

people going to talk about how dangerous this sport is in a way that actually alters the behavior and we've said it's got to be a player dying on the field to to get everyone's attention and that happened for a few minutes and then he became come come back player of the year well I also there's also some behavior here that I don't want to just let slide because he's clearly going through something right now it could be just like a real immature patch and a guy

enjoying being in a superstore there could be something greater like his his whole take on on CT is

concerning but there's hateful speech here that he kind of got away with with the atom raw

saying we kept moving on people generally like pook in the koa and then it just pops back up again why does that mean he's going through something again like people who are hateful and behaviorally poorly that doesn't mean they're going through anything right no it's a bad people yeah no the two things can be true it's what I'm saying yeah that's exactly kind of the feeling here right like oddly enough as we talk about this I'm thinking about Kanye and like when Kanye went on

his antisemitic tirades and it was clearly mental health related but that doesn't mean you let him off the hook for it and I don't think anybody here is letting pook off the hook for this behavior but I think some of the differences that we're talking about when it comes to this specific situation for some of the others is while there was self harm and then also harm of the people directly close to a lot of these players we're talking about whether that ends in in something

awful like murder suicide or there's domestic abuse who is happening it doesn't have multiple instances with pooka of being like publicly antisemitic and whether it was antisemitism whether it was like we've talked about anti feminism whether it was Islamophobia no matter what it is

“when there starts to be this like hate that goes outward you have to wonder about what is inside”

that person's heart to begin with that might be sort of unlocked I want to remind everyone though that Antonio Brown's reputation was pristine pristine like I sounded different talk difference I know that everyone now thinks of a certain thing with Antonio Brown because he he still has a murder charge on him right now as we speak attempted attempted murder charge excuse me and all fairness to Antonio Brown that is an important and important yeah he failed at murder

yeah that's one way to frame it we all have I'll go google it some more because yeah that one kind of case it was outside of a dirty box event yeah shots were fired but we don't know exactly what happened I've heard or struck we've impeded your thought enough but it was an important correction but I've seen this stuff play out damn I wonder what the union has to say about this stuff because I feel like if I'm Roger Gaddell watching the news cycle with pooka in a cool I pick up a phone

and be like can we check up on this guy if I'm the ram so I'm like can we get our security detail around this guy can we protect this guy from himself right now my point on Antonio Brown is when you go from pristine reputation to how we think about Antonio Brown now because the social media addiction allowed us to have an insight and access to I'm gonna say crazy that we did not have before and now you throw in the other thing that Mike said about self-medicating

okay the style of football that the ram's play that make it so that you can somehow replace the very physical kuper cup with pooka in a koa and not really miss a beat even though kuper cup and Matthew Stafford represent one of the greatest combinations you've ever seen if you watch Higbee and their tight ends play their skill guys have to be so physical that I'm

receivers and I'm like that dude's gonna break physically and half and pooka is the most physical

“of them yeah it's very rare for physicality to jump off offensively when it's not like a running”

no but that's like no but that is that's a feature not a bug they go looking to draft him in the round then anyone and they went to replace him by finding in the lesser rounds as they're very good at

doing an incredibly physical wide receiver yeah I'm not sure to replace him I and now I'm curious

“to see like white white and pooka you know slides so much in that in that draft I'm sure they they”

knew some about that stuff but there there might be people that respond to this I don't know if it gets clip that will be like you guys are over reacting come on this is nothing like Antonio Brown but when we mention Antonio Brown Antonio Brown now is a cautionary tale forever will be

“that guy was a bona fide hall of famer and his last act on a football field was removing his”

uniform and making a show of it and we saw it play out right in front of our eyes on our devices and the seeds of it are not too dissimilar and I do think that we who covered this sport and who talked about the Antonio Brown thing as it happened are not being reckless by mentioning that

because there is something clearly a little off here Cooper Cup second all time by the way behind

Kevin Johnson I'm doing it purposefully though and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic I'm saying we don't know what any of this stuff looks like and the cautionary tale we have if someone who went from professional pillar to he's crazy like and when we saw it happened we saw it happened on social media and the reason I'm asking Zaz what do you think it looks like it can't be just suicide in the training facility parking lot like belcher like yeah that'll get anybody's attention

the build up to it what do you think it looks like it's it's reckless behavior you're drinking too much you're passing out because your body's in pain and what's your support system look like because your family also has issues that are concerning it looks like puka no jua's you thought that was a good way to end this time how many stylings dano my god airball