Hour 1: The Game Pablo Torre Loves (feat. The Riddler of Sports Journalism)

I'm saying, you can say that you're a hero.

“You're a master of the club, right? But you don't understand.”

Exactly, it's just a challenge. You're just a master of the club. You're just a master of the club. And if you then work, you'll be able to do it. - That's right? - Safe. You're just a master. You're just a master of the club. Now you're just a master of the club.

- Yes. - Pablo Torre is getting ready right now. And I don't know if you guys saw what it is that Pablo did at the Sloan conference. - Pablo. - But Mike, as Pablo gets ready to join us here, do you want to file any of your objections?

And I will tell the people first of all, if you didn't see what he did at the Sloan conference,

he, I guess, taped. I don't know whether he did it personally or someone else did. But the latest smoking gun, the biggest of the smoking guns that there has been in the nine part, Kawaii investigation, was taped to the chair in which Adam Silver was sitting. - I see. - So that the smoking gun was literally under the commissioners' nose as he sat on a panel, giving a conference. And Mike Ryan somehow found a way to criticize Pablo for this.

“- Yeah, the internet and myself are all wondering why is Pablo trying to be the ridler?”

- Yes, it was impressive, I'd look, drawn out, overly dramatic, self-involved. - These things go hand in hand. - That's your name on the podcast instead of Pablo Torre finds out. - All right, so like, it ends on this cliffhanger, even though he was promising like this knockout punch. I'm like, did I see the knockout punch or there are two more bits of evidence out there? Also, I asked, I mean, what was in the two other envelopes that were under two randomly selected

chairs because Pablo on top of being the ridler was also Oprah during this thing. And I mean, like, I don't even know what's in those envelopes where we're trying to start a huge, uh, who done it? Is this a caper? Are we, I, the search functionality on X is terrible, so I can't actually find these other wayward envelopes? It was navel gazing. It was Pablo, it was quintessential Pablo Torre. And that there was really good journalism being done, but it was also very overly dramatic.

Pablo, what's a you?

- Let's see if we get his sound up here in a second. Pablo does not appear to be ready for

your, what say you, uh, because he took those insults, all of them right on the chin. He was smiling during many of them. He shouldn't have been. He should be in dignity, because he's doing very difficult work. And he's doing it theatrically, because he can't help himself. - Two questions. Has anyone called him Pablo Pro? Yet? And Dan, do you ever get worried about potentially crossing Pablo as his boss here? Because he seems to be a vindictive sociopath.

- Good question. - Well, it is dramatic. And I don't know what was under the other seats.

“I was a little confused by that. I think he was giving those people also the documented proof,”

Mike, you're underwhelmed by what is really difficult to do journalism. And you keep saying, give me more of a smoking gun. When every time he does a report, it is more of a smoking gun. And this is the most smoking a gun has been around this, where he's got the documentation of a whistleblower telling the government. There's paperwork saying, look, this is all allegedly a, uh, contrivence, uh, meant to just pay quite Leonard where no one's looking.

- No, it was the lead in the whistleblower complaint. That was, that was the nuts. That was the big revelation that in this whistleblower complaint, uh, to the federal government, the lead was they're trying to circumvent the MBA salary cap with Coise endorsement deal. I'm not the person saying give me more of a smoking gun. Pablo Torre is. He said there's two more smoking gun guns underneath two more random chairs. And the end of his live podcast on a cliffhanger and the

broadcast cut out and it pissed me off. Yeah, he's doing this in dribs and dribs and he's doing this because he's got it months in advance and he's way ahead of this story. So Pablo defend yourself. - Hi, guys. Uh, can you hear me now? Yes. Good. Yes. Um, I appreciate, I appreciate, uh,

the insults and the conversation as always. Part of what I want to do is always,

and this is the, the curse of me is draw attention to what we're doing. Um, because I unfortunately think we're at this phase where I thought we were going to be done after episode two. And we're not, you know, the MBA investigation is ongoing. The MBA investigation has been a focus of what we did at Sloan on Friday live, which is to say I talked to five former aspiration employees who all told me that they were not asked by walked to ellipt in the MBA's preferred outside

just like dumping all of this as fast as I can because, um, you know, I'm trying to, I'm trying

to be first on everything. I'm, I'm trying to make sure I get it right. And I'm only dropping

stuff when there is reason to say, oh, maybe it's actually worth considering that attention must

“be drawn to a story that I think the MBA is actively trying to minimize. And so that's, that's”

part of why we, we, we, we opened it. Part of why me and David had no idea what they were getting in for it's why we did at a conference where Adam Silver was on. Those very chairs hours earlier before of course, going to meet Donald Trump at the White House in ways that I could not pass in the script. What was under the other two chairs? For those who don't know, Sloan conference is the dark upaluse, a lot of, a lot of the smartest people in sports get together and, you know,

they congratulate each other for an assortment of things. And under the chair of Adam Silver was

a smoking gun, what was under the two other chairs in the audience that you placed in what were the seats because you are trying to be the ridler. There's no dispute on that. Well, Mike said there are random chairs. It was Rose Kay and Roselle.

“She'd number two, you know. But what was there? So he's even more like the ridler.”

Yeah, but what was there? I don't want to solve it. I get it. I get it. I get it. Unfortunately, that is for the people sitting in those chairs to reveal. It's there. They have those documents. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not here to, to step on

further reporting. Just know that the reporting continues. It was a more complaint. Was many pages long.

You've done nine of these. There's lots more to find out. Yeah, that was the ninth one. I miss a prize. I miss a prize. Is anybody that we're going to have a tenth, right? I'm genuinely as surprised as anybody. It's it's it's something though in the whistleblower complaint that I don't want to just speed past as we get to whatever sequels here, because I just want to clarify. This is the document that started the actual federal

investigation into aspiration. So the co-founder of aspiration Joe Sandberg was prosecuted. He pled guilty to wire fraud. His co-conspirator, youbrahim Al Husani, who was a board member of aspiration, prosecuted, pled guilty to wire fraud. Those things happened because of the road map laid out in this document. Was he been rumored for a very long time inside of aspiration, but no one had ever seen before because the whistleblower complaint is confidential. And one of the

things that has happened that has enabled the reporting. And by the way, this is why like when I say I have to get a right. I really do wait for the actual document. Like it's not the evidence is now undeniable in terms of did these federal whistleblowers under penalty of surgery put into writing in March of 2023 years before I ever even published part one. Did they say the thing that people have since accused me of rafting and grifting onto a story in retrospect? Oh, this why would they ever

be talking about caps or convention? This is a larger criminal enterprise. What does it matter anyone care about the salary cap? Well, this is part nine parts one through wait explained that and here is kind of the keystone in case anybody still had remaining doubt. And you can see it on screen. It says even to pay Clippers Ford Coil Leonard an incentivized bonus to circumvent the NBA salary cap disguised is an organic marketing sponsorship agreement. By the way,

we've provided contract of that agreement. We provided bank statements of money in and money out. We now have a whistleblower complaint under perjury from two aspiration employees. And the only way, by the way, this comes together is because in sort of like poetic symmetry with Adam deliver going to the White House, this administration has effectively turned over multiple federal agencies that have been investigating the story that a Department of Justice, the SEC, the CFTC,

the three agencies that these whistleblowers reported to those are all shells of themselves. And so my ability to report the story, it is like panoramic at this point, you know, it's like I'm

“going to every possible place and that's the only way you can get to the bottom of a story like”

this and the question is who else is doing that. One of the things that I see happening and I just think that it really shows great ignorance about and I will keep saying this, the degree of difficulty on getting documentation that is vetted that makes for proof. A lot of people are saying, wake me up when there is something that's an update as the updates are incremental. They are

there's simply no other plausible scenario other than cap sir convention in the Kawai case.

“Why do you believe that what's happened so far represents the greatest proof of any kind that you”

have as it relates to a smoking gun and how can you possibly say there's a lot more to find out here. I want to credit Bruce Arthur because Bruce, of course, like covers the raptors in Toronto, he had heard and has reported since what Dennis Robertson Kawai's unlicensed representative his uncle, I've been requesting of the raptors and he had been requesting per Bruce's reporting

a no-show job and equity in a company that he never do any work for and that is the story

incidentally of aspiration. So these requests are made, the question is how are they delivered and here we have nine parts showing that. So credit to Bruce for truly like reporting out that aspect of the story. To me there are three indisputable examples of why this is cap sir convention. The first one was in the first episode. It was that no one ever announced this deal. Why would an endorsement deal be secret? Like, I've been waiting for any, I had Mark Cuban in the

studio at length, like asking why would this ever remain confidential and endorsement agreement with Kawai Leonard in which not only did he do nothing, you never announced it. Why would that never be announced? Why would that do nothing? When you say do nothing, the alleged no-show job that he was paid for that required him to do nothing. He was he was signed to a $28 million contract an endorsement

agreement that he did nothing for. In fact, the greatest example is that they never even announced

that the endorsement contract existed even as Kawai was getting paid to never talk about it. Why would the clippers and Kawai and aspiration all agree none of us should not only we should never say anything about this. We should deny it in the future. Like, what other reason other than this

“needed to be a secret deal to violate the NBA salary cat? What other reason would there be?”

Right? So this is just a logical, like documentation and evidence around that part. The second thing is the fact that Dennis Wong, the clippers co-owner, the bomber has one co-owner of the clippers. It's rare dead. A 99 to one ownership group. Two people. One guy was 99. One guy was 1% Dennis Wong, with the Harvard, with Steve Bomber. He is his close friend. He is the vice-chairman of the

clippers. He, as you've reported, exhaustively. When aspiration was in default, Dennis Wong had never

put money in before. And he decides in December of 2022, I'm going to invest $2 million into a broke company that I know via the disclosure form on the contract, which we also published. We know that they are under investigation by the SEC. We know that they have no money. They're broke. I'm going to invest as if they're a normal company. And then nine days later, Kauai Leonard will be paid $1.75 million to do nothing after months of not getting paid that sum because aspiration

had burned through all of their money. Why would they do that? Why would they pay Kauai when they

“had no other money to pay anything? Why would they pay the guy that is a secret endorser who does”

nothing nine days after the co-owner of the clippers? What's in money for the first time? The only outside investor to give money to aspiration, right? No one's ever explained any other plausible money in money out explanation for that. So that's the second thing. And the third thing we're just talking about like what feels the most indisputable, the rankings here, the third thing is this complaint. The whistleblower complaint under penalty of perjury to the federal government in 2023.

One of the questions has always been, why is it that you have all these anonymous sources even on tape, voice modulated, right? It's very easy to say. In retrospect, they were circumventing the cap because maybe you were convinced by episode one. Maybe you were just connecting dots on your own. This complaint shows in writing under federal penalty that can be prosecuted if you knowing we lie that people said this long before I ever heard of the company. And so I'm okay with the

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“How do you know I'm smiling? That's how I find my vocal range. Sometimes I just say”

's venom bananas. This is a venom banana. This is a venom. With their stugats. These documents are really difficult to get a hold of unless you're randomly seated in Rose K and L at the Sloan conference. Then it's just in your possession. Pablo did you embargo this because you ended the episode on a cliffhanger and I just assumed well since two randoms have these documents. I'll just check social media and this will be posted there.

But I haven't heard what's in these envelopes at all. Are they in your employee? How have you kept this button up? Well, you know. I'm a careful person. I'm a careful guy. Well, I even do that because I don't think you need anything else. I genuinely think that after

part one and let's say part two. The first two things in this power rank is of the three things

that are most undeniable. That was a complex in the first two episodes. Everything else has been further, roof, reporting, sourcing, dissection, counterargument, pressure testing, all that stuff. You know for for seven months. If anybody wants more, there is more. But frankly, I don't think I need to say what else is out there. But I guess I'll get to

“it at some point, though. Two questions, Pablo. One, did you run into Adam Silverdoll at the conference?”

And two, have you heard it all from Mark Cuban lately? You know, Mark has disappeared. Mark has similarly disappeared. It's interesting that like the episode he did with Dan when I brought Dan in for one of the aspiration episodes. He was about the carbon credit stuff. And we

retraced that in this episode. Part nine on Friday at Sloan. Dan was the first person to

experience that. And I bring that up because the reason I booked Dan for that episode was because I wanted to get Mark Cuban and I had to settle for another Cuban. And Mark was the person who first theorized if we were going to do it's true. It's true. And the question that Mark Cuban theorized was if you're going to do cap circumvention, you do it through carbon credits. And so I'm not going to redo all of the Friday episode here, although I've basically started to. It's, yes,

great point. And we show that that is also what happened here. And so Mark Cuban has disappeared,

“which is I think telling as to your point. Adam went almost immediately from that stage to”

I presume this is just my connecting of the dots. I get to wash in DC in time for a four o'clock meeting with the president from Boston where he was. He went right to the private Jedi assumed to the White House. So no, although again, it was, it was, it was the number of people who were in the audience. Yeah, these are, these are all characters who I think might have thumbs on the scale of what the NBA does. And we'll see whether, whether that was, you know, persuasive to that.

Take us through how it is that physically you got the document taped under his chair and did you literally want the evidence to be right under his nose. So it started, it didn't stop. Look, as much as I like being, the, you know, something like the joke or the ridler, you're not the joke or ridler. You're not the joke or as evidenced by the sound. That's better. That's not the joke. You don't get to be the joke or you can be the ridler. That's a good photo. The joke or what

I told him. Adam Silver looked like somebody who could be a villain in one of these movies. He just physically more than anyone in sports. But how, how is it physically take me through both the, the thought process, the decision, and who physically did it? Yeah. So again, I'm not the ridler. I'm somebody who got invited to do a panel at Sloan and thought to myself, who else is speaking

going to have David and Amine there. Like, how can I convey to David and Amine this new information?

“Well, typically I'd give him folders, but there's not a desk. So what if we do it some other way?”

And then I thought, well, be funny because I've, I'm an American to grew up in the age of daytime television. It'd be funny if like I did the Oprah thing. It was like, look under your chairs. There's a gift for you. Instead of a car, you got to pay taxes on. It's this document. And so I thought, wait a minute, if we put those documents under David and Amine's chairs, early enough in the day, it's possible that Adam would be sitting in that same chair.

So I had one of our producers who were made nameless, perhaps for legal reasons.

Show up at Sloan at 7am on Friday and tape it under the meat the chairs. And I should say for

legal reasons as well, Darrell Morrie, the organizer in the co-founder of the conference, had no idea what we were doing. Nobody at the conference was in on this.

“In the way that course our staff was. And so for that reason, we just woke up really early”

and it turned out that yep, these were the chairs. I should mention that Balmer and the Clippers continued to deny all wrongdoing. They declined to comment for this episode as they have for a while. And they say they are fully cooperating with the NBA's investigation that was sparked by Pablo Pablo is up for yet more awards. I should tell you, 2026, I hard podcast awards are next Monday. It's out by Southwest. He is nominated for podcast of the year. He's also up for best host.

So podcast of the year, he's going up against the daily caller daddy, the breakfast club Mel Robbins, The Ovalon, all the big names in podcasting and on best host. It's Amy Poler and Emma Chamberlain and also Alex Cooper from Call her Daddy. The biggest award that you have been proudest to win so far and do you expect to win this one? Because the work you're doing is unlike anything,

anyone, never on sports podcasting, anyone anywhere is doing in podcasting.

Yeah, look no one, no one, for better and for worse and the award stuff is for the better. And I am like, you know, I'm hard in that people have felt boxed in and of by journalism that they feel like they got to put us into those categories, frankly. Because we're doing it in a way that no one else is doing it for better and for worse, which is to say with these documents. I would love to get to a point where, you know, the sheer force of my charisma is the reason why I'm in a

category with Amy Poler in any way. But no man, it says we're doing journalism. Like we're really showing the power of doing evidence-driven reporting. And so I am so thrilled that we've, you've been included because it's weird. Like it's a bunch of people that I would say billionaires would love to invite to a cocktail party and then the one person who they absolutely don't. And I take pride in that. I take pride in the fact that it's a weird thing for us to be in those

“in those, in those rooms. Who's on the other side of arguing the other side of this right now?”

Who are you hearing from? And are you willing to say that Mark Cuban is now hiding from you in a sheer act of cowardice? If Mark Cuban is, is, is out there, I would love for you to come back on the show. He, he came in studio and we talked at length and he was, put it to light and then he tweeted nothing after it came out. And he stopped talking about aspiration entirely and I'm just curious why. So I'm not going to call him a coward. I'm merely going to say

that a silence has been conspicuous. And I'd like to figure out like if it's thinking has changed. He was team bomber. And and and since he's he's been very, very, very, very, very quiet. Who's on the other side of this? Who, who else is out there? Because look, you've become, it's strange to me, okay? I underestimated 10 years ago that the president of the United States could become the president of the United States, taking a hatchet to journalism. People hate journalists,

more than just about any occupation. It's right up there with use car salesmen and agent and lawyer in terms of not liking somebody. You, despite doing legitimately extraordinary work, have now become polarizing at least in part because you do it as the redler and you do it with some self involvement and you call it charisma. I call it hateability that you were taught at the knee of us. You. Yes. Yeah. Of us. Yes. I learned it from you dad. By the way, Dan, Dan, I learned it from

you, Dan said in the woods. That it was a dead dad. You have been surprised by the reaction and who's on the other side of this because you keep presenting facts that make it damn near impossible

reasoning here that no one can explain. Yeah. Look, the reason that I do the theater of this

is from a place of, wow, I got invited to this conference to do a live show. How can I make this interesting? And then it was, if I'm going to do another chapter in this series, the people are pretty numb too because I think most people out there, by the way, fans had coaches, owners, general managers when I run into them, when I see them at games, at conferences, they all agree that this is a grievous. These allegations feel like they deserve punishment, right? These alleged

“schemes must warrant punishment. That's what I hear all the time. So I'm not saying that like,”

you know, people are idiots who don't get what I'm saying. I think they largely do. The theatricality comes from the premise of journalism needs entertainment to cut through. And I was a writer who only wrote, I was a TV person who only gaspacked and now I'm trying to do both of them together because I am, I am at odds, I guess, with what is required, otherwise to make an impact. And so I decided, fine, I'll play the game too. And I enjoy the game. And so that's where,

that's why I do it that way. The people who are on the other side of this, though, frankly, it's people who cover and talk about the NBA who find that this story should be adjudicated by the NBA. And I'm like, guys, I'm not here to say that we're woodward and Bernstein, right? I'm not here to say that this is the president being forced to resign. I'm not saying that. All I'm simply saying is that if you ever talk about cheating and sports, if you talk about

capture convention, which is how you get the most important assets in this sport, star players,

to join a team, which everybody cares about so deeply that entire off seasons, entire seasons are overshadowed by the acquisition of star players, right? That's the whole thing with NBA Twitter. We're obsessed with it. I'm telling you, the most aggridious, and the ringer has said this to its credit, the most aggridious cap circumvention scandal in history, allegedly, is this one. And so why would you leave it to the NBA to tell you how big a deal it is,

or not? Months removed from its initial impact, such that the footprint of it, the accountability of it, the importance of it can be reduced, right? Like, that's, I come at, and this is where, you know, I do feel like I just got to reassert something. I do this because I'm like,

actually a sports fan, because like grew up loving the NBA, because I grew up writing into a

little notebook, the dream team statistics, and fetishize the New York next and admire Michael Jordan despite my fandom of the next and going to games and really caring about this thing, and then watching our sport, my favorite sport become a thing that built up credibility over time, that became a very popular mainstream product, welcomed into American homes all around the world, as well, and they decided to get into business with a bunch of people who, frankly,

are misrepresenting the truth of what they're doing to the public, and I mean this to say, in the Epstein class sense, I mean this to say in the crypto scammer sense, I mean this to say in the sovereign wealth fund sense, I mean this to say in the Silicon Valley sense, and certainly in the case of a company like aspiration, which the NBA and the clippers decided to present to the public as if this is a real company, and they didn't do the due diligence, and they're still,

it seems, allegedly, not doing the due diligence, and the question of like what has happened, you know, what's that that meme, what's happened to the game I love, the reason I'm on this, and why I'm not leaving it to the NBA to tell you what's really happening here, is because

“I think the truth when it comes to sports should be taken seriously, and I got to be”

a turn in the punchball sometimes, I guess, to do that, and also that, and also literally the other, perhaps you've also noticed that when he gives the ringer credit or Bruce Arthur credit, and he says to their credit, it's only when they're saying that he's done exactly the correct thing the most correctly, you've noticed that perhaps that he doles out credit to people who already agree with him on things, and the whole exercise is fairly master

Batory, but it does seem, well, it becomes less master Batory, the more participants, right, becomes something else, either other terms for it, it's true, you know, thank you Jeremy, I appreciate he's right, he's right, he's right, I appreciate you to my credit, co-signing on that, yes, to your credit, to your master Batory credit, wherever it is, there's one person masturbating verbally, you'll get right in and masturbate verbally even more like here, I have to master

Batory, be right about the Miami heat, but Pablo has people there to help him when it comes to

“the clippers, by the way, Pablo, what do you think of the five-game one streak for the heat?”

So anyway, the other things that Pablo is doing, because he is doing an extraordinary job on

when you say the sport I love, the social media parts that I used to love, Mike Ryan just pointed out

“on X, how hard it is to search for things, mean a Times is pointing out that Google doesn't”

help her do her job anymore, because it's been so contaminated as a search engine. I was alarmed by your recent reporting on artificial intelligence, you've done a couple of pieces on this, what is the last and most recent information that you found most interesting about just how damaging and dangerous artificial intelligence is? Yeah, I mean, economically speaking and I'm talking all these experts who are far better versed in the industry of artificial intelligence than I am,

there's just no way of avoiding the sinking feeling that AI is becoming too big to fail,

which is to say that Amina was a great voice to this as a former business journalist herself,

“like we're being sold a product and we're being told that it's product is so popular and so good,”

and whether or not that resonates with you at home using AI in the way that you do or don't, the money pouring into it from the US economy is unprecedented, the speed of money and the scale of money entering artificial intelligence as an industry is so enormous that we are going to get to a point that reminded us, me and Mina of 2008, the great financial crisis when we were both reporters working in New York City and there were companies, there were banks that were too big

to fail and what does that even mean for those who forgot the great financial crisis? It literally meant that there was so much money tied up in certain financial institutions that even though

“those institutions were erupt and betraying the public in the most definitional ways and were not”

using that money responsibly. In fact, collapsing the economy, the US people, us, the government, public money had to save those companies to prop them up otherwise the economy would have been even worse and so AI is getting to that same point. There is so much money popping up AI, which is in turn boosting the US economy, depending on the most valuable companies in the world like in video, these chipmakers that are funding the processing that AI runs on. When you think about

open AI, when you think about anthropic, when you think about Google, these are all comp Apple is getting into the AI. It's already in the AI business. All these companies are saying AI is the future cool and before they have to prove it's use to the people, to customers in real life, they're getting investment such that if those products end up being not a thing people want to actually pay for. What's the actual business at the end of this? Mina was asking the question, "Are real

people paying for these AI products or our companies or enterprise customers paying for them?" And therefore it seems like a lot of normal people are, but really it's just companies paying other companies to boost stock prices. And if that's the case, an AI as a product turns out to not be the revelation, then by the time those stocks fall, the US economy will be so reliant upon them that we may have to bail them out too. They will become too big to fail, which is to say we

are inviting potentially another economic crisis if we don't watch where the money is going. And that is a little bit terrifying. Don't live apart. There's sunglasses in boxes two days, but in my bed in our small room, ending our lives all the same. Two gats. This is the Danebapar Show with us two gats. Have any of you guys seen the movie 2073, 2073? It is put out there as a dystopian future

sort of action movie, but it's actually a documentary inside of it and all of it's horrifying. Like what is presently happening with the government of the United States, for example, being so

brazenly purchased by billionaires, more brazenly than we've ever seen. It's always been so,

but the government being used right now by billionaires to create a dystopian future that separates the billionaires from all of the little people, I had to turn it off in the middle of it because the

I wanted to turn it off because there's no coming back from where we already are.

That is a downside for us in the awards category. We've been entered into that people find the things we're reporting to be so horrifying. It's not called a daddy. It's not called her daddy. It's a year that's not what you're doing. It shouldn't be in the same category. We're reporting on a lot of looking at a different kind in this case. In this case, it is the administration of our country and the corporate leaders that you're referring to.

“Man, it's scary. It's scary. I think there's, again, the water's warm, by the way.”

I think the, well, it's just funny, Dad, that again, the I learned it from you stuff. I think there's a lot of room for people to make an impact here, talking about this stuff. Maybe people have made a calculation that serves them best, and that's okay on some level, but I don't know. It just seems like in the documentary over our time, and this is the

exercise that I always try to do, 10 years from now in the documentary of our time, you know?

Which character are you going to be? And I think people are maybe not making the right choice on that. The name of the podcast is Pablo Torrey Findout. Can we do something a little more uplifting when we talk about the end of the world? Thank you Pablo. Pablo Torrey finds out it really is extraordinary. I urge all of you to check it out. I remember when the quaint apocalyptic movie was it called 2011 or 2012 with John Cusack,

the movie where he's just driving as fast as he can. As Earth falls apart behind him, it seems quaint and charming and fossilized, just an antique compared to where it is that we are actually headed. You like the movies in 2011 and 2012. I like 2012. Where the Statue of Liberty just falls into into the ocean. I like those apocalyptic type,

“like what's the one with Jake Jill and Hall as well, right?”

Day after tomorrow. I like that movie too. Yeah, I like those kind of films. We're living in the middle of it right now, where you're at the center of it, so let's distract ourselves with the Miami of Ohio undefeated. Oh man, thank you for finally bringing it to these spectacle of the sporting weekend. It was a great weekend for sports. It's basically sports equinoxia.

A million things going on and I was positively dialed, sound on to Miami of Ohio at Ohio.

A college basketball game in the hundreds, then going back and forth at each other into overtime. I mean, the lighting in the arena was terrible. It had a film on it. When you were watching the Game Broadcast and it was like another time. It was March basketball. It was everybody clear out of the way. We're giving it to the best player. Scrappy number 13 in white. Pavelle ski.

Go try and hold on to this. This rivalry advantage at Ohio is had over Miami, Ohio. Miami, Ohio undefeated this season in college basketball, gunning for their 30th victory. Ohio had had victories over their rival.

“I think dating back at home since 2011. So this was a huge win streak.”

And the game friggin delivered. Back in fourth the entire time, heroic shot making absolute cags from each team and such hate from the Ohio attendees. That at the end of it has Jeff Goodman tweeted because at the end of it, there were mother bleeps and bleep used and smiling faces hidden meanings. Projectiles. It was a scene. I loved it. It was the best basketball game I'd seen this year. Miami of Ohio against Ohio. Ohio was a small dog in the game.

Miami of Ohio ends up perfect seasons as low that nobody believes is going anywhere in the tournament because they've had the 300th toughest schedule or something like that. It was the last time I checked. It was at 280. And they're an undefeated team playing against Ohio on the road. And they're just a four point favorite because everyone knows that team is not all that good. Even though it's undefeated. They are not favored to win their conference.

Whatever. If you're undefeated, you make the tournament. If you don't lose and if you're playing division one basketball and you don't lose a single game in your regular season,

And they've had several of these games where they survive when you don't think they are.

“That's a fun story. It's also a TV show like when the committee is making their selections”

this weekend. You don't think that's going to have some juice to it. Miami of Ohio. First round

game Thursday or Friday the following week. That game's got some that game's got some juice to it. I want to check that out. And they got this like a little you would think that the underdog undefeated Miami of Ohio team would be beloved. But they've been villains. I don't want them to continue to be undefeated. And now I'm kind of coming around like I rock with these guys. They're trying to be bad guys when no one believes in them. They're trying to bully people

“around when they're four and a half feet tall. It's great to see. What would you rather”

having the tournament undefeated Miami of Ohio or a 15 loss Auburn? I get the hell out of here. Get the hell out of here. When Mike Ryan says no one believes in them. I saw him wandering around during our break trying to get someone to believe him that the Ben Shapiro Ibrow situation. It wasn't photoshopped. Wasn't altered by others. There's no way like Mike this can't be real.

It's not real. I have videos from a social media selfie videos like that. videos are never fake.

He posted this himself. He has Tom Selix mustache above each eye. That that is a selfie video

“that he posted. That is not real. Like how do you even get eyebrows like that?”

Nobody says hey I'm a grow out my eyebrows. That's not a thing. You can't just like you can grow out your hair. You grow out your beard. You don't grow out eyebrows. Put it on the poll. Please let Lebeta. Tom Real does Ben Shapiro have Tom Selix mustache over each one of his eyes.

This doesn't seem like it can be real. Occasionally someone will send me a picture or a video of

me that day that Ron McGill said that I looked like a poppy truolo when I was just doing an impersonation of somebody who had done a fake highly questionable with me in Beaumonti and I had just painted on my eyebrows and on my mustache. Something so very dark as to clearly be fake. I saw over the weekend I saw a Hispanics cruner of some sort, an old guy singing with Tony Bennett who had, yes, thank you. That's him right there. Look at that as low. Which is the more

egregious offense between those two people. I am remissing not knowing who that Latin legend is. Well yes, see that's the thing. That guy's eyebrows. He may have been born with those eyebrows. That may be just how he looks. Ben Shapiro all the day all of a sudden is showing up with a push above each eye. It's not real. It is real. All the videos are real. I understand the skepticism I shared in it and then I researched the internet for 15 minutes to try to find evidence to the contrary.

He dies the eyebrows, but he also made them bushyer. It's a refutable. Gender affirming care. My mother has rarely been more frustrated with my father than when it is that he would go from totally gray at work when he was an industrial engineer and the plant manager for a fiberglass company in Hailia. He would go from totally gray to looking the following day like this Latin cruner because he had painted everything black.