- Hello.
- Boppy. - I'm gonna call him back. - Love the sound of a dial. This is old score right here. - Yeah.
- I can't hear it anymore, there's a dial. - We just took two numbers.
These are never orchestrated.
These are always live. But you never know what my phone was a little scared of these, because I never know what my father's gonna actually say, 'cause he doesn't know. - Hello.
- Bop-bop. - Darling, come with us. - What happened to the heat, Boppy? - Oh, the heat man, I got a headache.
“That first quarter, how many points did you score about?”
- Fifty. - Fifty. - Not 85, 50. - I don't know, man, are you sure about that? - Everything was falling for them. Everything was falling for them.
They make old trees, how many trees that make those things? - They make one house or guy, man. They have 45 trees in the first quarter. It was crazy. - Oh my God, I tell you one thing.
I was surprised. And he wrote, he could just disappear. I'm going to call him Houdini. He said, "Houdini, guy." He said, "Houdini, guy."
He said, "Oh my God, this is huge, huge." He said, "We are getting big things. They could think they got these up here." - So what kind of magic act is that? - Tough against the shitty teams, but then he disappeared.
- Yeah, he's going to score about 80 points against the winners. You watch, you are saddery. The guy is going to roll like a big star. And then when it comes around, he says, "You're strength." He runs away, the only point he got last night.
12 points, 15 points, something like that. - 18 points.
- Yeah, that's where it's three million dollars a year, guys.
That's a very expensive point, you know? - Who else are you, man? - What kind of tell you? - Who else are you, man? - No, I'm not mad at anybody, I'm just waiting for them
to finish in 10 places, make a little spot in the playoff and then make a big run for the big dance. That's what I'm predicting. What kind of tell you? How about you?
What are you predicting? You think that they can beat the Celtics? You think that they can beat the pistons? You think that they can beat the Celtics? - No, they don't want over, the season's over.
They started 14 and 8, they fooled some people with their offense and they've been 500 cents. They can't beat anybody good. They haven't been playing defense for a month. - Well, what do you mean?
They got heroes, they got a man, they got the best coaching D.M.B.A. Well, you mean they can't play seasonly over it. You are no doubt on until you're out. Who said that?
Who said that? Who else is he also for who said that? - No, you bear up. - There you have it, that's my man, yogi. He was a big guy.
Yeah, I mean, the first quarter, last night
that was painful to wash. I had to go to the bathroom about three times in the first quarter. - Isn't that just because you're old? - I don't know what happened to my system.
“I get a guy that got too excited last night, you know?”
So. - Except that guy, he wants that. - That's scoring 50 points in the first quarter, excited about what? He chasing them chasing them 20 points down the whole game?
- Well, all I can tell you is he got father, got big friends, they got big plans for the hit this year, next year and the year's ahead, you know? You got to believe in the got father. He's going to roll those dice over the table
and he tried to get the run, it's run available by any chance. So, you know. - The rant? - Yeah. He looks good, I mean, he looks like a-
- All right, yeah, I can't talk to you anymore. These are the rant things of an old man. I can't talk to you anymore. - Why not? He's about my age and he's playing basketball.
What can I tell you? You know what I mean? - Good bye. - But I got big plans for the hit. - Good bye, Dad.
What are your big plans for the hit, Dad? Go ahead. - End it with what I'm saying. - Well, shoot me. - 'Cause you know we're calling you.
You know you're on air and now you're performing a shitty dance and it's better when you don't know we're calling. - Well, I didn't know you were calling. What do you mean I'm on air? What do you mean air?
What's air? What's air? What's going on? Get 'em out of here, get 'em out of here. (upbeat music)
- This is the Dunlema Partial with the Stugot Spotcast. (upbeat music)
“- I think it would be fair for me to day to preach”
trilogy on the Miami Heat season after what you just saw happened last night. And I don't know how much objection I would get from a mean in the way of overreaction for what the last 10 games of Heat Basketball
has brought us against good teams where they just get dragged. 50 points in a first quarter is crazy. How is Jason Tidem gonna reintegrate with these Celtics?
Who knows?
- Gonna be 'cause Sam Houser is gonna make five, three's in the first quarter. - Yeah, a triple double. I mean I don't think the same Houser had a lot to do with it.
- We about done with the heat talk. - Well, it's baseball season, Dan. - I want to get to the heat and I want to get to baseball because the marlins are five and one and they have an ace,
a legitimate ace who can carry a team and get you excited if they make, if they get all bargains on all their discount coupon Tampa Bay raise guys. Like if they, if all these young guys,
if they hit, they go seven for nine on the young cheap guys
and it's like, oh, those are seven amazing players.
“- Have you ever seen a discount bin at the dollar store?”
That's kind of what's going on, right? You walk right and you're like, oh, there's a discount and I don't know what this is. So this is a crazy roster construction, okay? At the top of the hill, you got the ace.
He blew out his arm, but when he's on, holy shit, he's scoobled from the right side. Is he back, complete game, really sandy. Welcome back, you were the best in the league for a minute. And then you got hurt and that's the only guy
that they're paying. - I didn't even know they did complete games anymore. I thought that was outlawed and paid off. - He didn't either, but he makes it look easy, right? This is an unhandable person when he's at his best.
He wants a young. When everyone's throwing 100 miles an hour, that guy goes out there and throws 98 all over the place and nobody can hit him. And so if he's back, he wasn't last year.
He was bad last year because he was hurt and rehabbing and then had up and down, but that's who he was when he won the Saoyang, what we just saw yesterday and he'll do that to the white socks, but he'll do that to the Yankees too.
Like, that he can do that to anybody and so you've got an ace in the middle of your city now. And the Marlins tried to build themselves back up.
“And I think they got Mike on the way home.”
He was wearing a Marlins jersey yesterday and we did not comment on it. And then he stopped in for a two hour game yesterday on the right home and had the ballpark to himself. - Yeah, I wanted to give baseball a try.
I tried it a couple of years ago and I saw at some issues with the game so it didn't quite get its hooks in me. I saw the postseason last year. I understand it was good and the world series was great.
And I wanted to jump in, give these Marlins a try, especially. And I had a really decent time at the game. I saw a brilliant picture on the mound. I saw one good baseball team, I think. And yeah, I went in that game,
shrolled in at, like it was a one 10 first pitch.
I shrolled in at 105. Obviously, didn't hit a lot of traffic along the way. None of this any of the game. But I got right in, I saw a nice deal. And I was in my car at 3.28.
And I'm like bam, like Rob Manford of all people, fixed it. There's a lot of momentum behind the sport, the riding, the hot wave of the WBC. And I don't really have a leg to stand on as far as my complaints. That some small ball is back to a degree.
The game is moving very quickly, which I really like.
“It doesn't afford me the opportunity to get in my phone”
and just like zone out, which I like. And I was thinking about it. And I don't want to take this to a negative place at all. But I was driving home. I was like, "Avol people, the commissioner,
"the much maligned. "This is how I drive, by the way." Yeah. I drive with two hands. That's where I've been all over the play.
Three and six and three. Thinking about the commissioner. Thinking about which commissioner you think about commissioners on the way home, that's a ways to fix sports on your drive home. Well, that was like, man, that was, I had a good time.
I was drinking beers. I was with the boys. I saw my team win. I was in and out. And now I know there's not going to be complete game.
Shut out all the time. And that had a lot to do with the pace of the game. Sandy works quick too. You've got to be careful a couple of beers. Work too quick.
I'll respond to you. Don't do that to me. As you know, I'm driving like this just because I drive like this and because of the beers. And I was like, Rob Manford of all people
fix this sport and it made me think like, man, Adam Silver does have his work cut out for him because if baseball can fix like the nauseating talking points that we went seemingly for a decade on, we're kind of getting to that point with the NBA.
Well, we've been talking about what's wrong with the game for about a decade. If Rob Manford can do it, certainly Adam Silver can. What'd you think of the in-game host? A little grading.
Handsome though, right? But to be clear, you're going to get more Jeremy with the show today because he and Samson are going to geek out on baseball things. Samson's really good on baseball.
And he might have some opinions on there, announced attendance of 6,000 when he comes on with us
because he was always trying to fake those numbers
and fool around with those numbers. But the thing that Mike says that to me is most interesting about this is that that sport was so redicent to change. Like they had a chance one time when movies were trying to advertise and creative places,
they could have put Spider-Man on the basis and they were like, absolutely not. We can't do that in baseball. It's all pristine. They cleaned everything up.
They sped up the game, they listened. They made these drastic changes. They're putting a runner on second base in order to feed. They've always been ahead on new media, right? Like their channel and their network
has always been better at this stuff than the other one. Smarter at how it is that they sell it to smarter fans because baseball fans are the smartest
Because they know how to do the measurements
and David and Jeremy are gonna talk about all this in pitchplock.
“But David was always lying about these numbers”
at the Marlins games and what Sandy is saying when he comes off the mound and I really do, I want South Florida to sort of embrace the excellence in this because of how rare it has been in the history of this baseball franchise
that is in a city that cares about baseball as you saw during the World Baseball Classic. South Florida has rarely had ever a man of this kind of excellence at the center of its team. If this person is the Saigon winner on a team
from two years ago, the best in the sport at pitch. When the Yankees have started the season, the Yankees, just started the season with the best starts ever from their starting pitchers ever for the sport of baseball. No one has ever started faster better
than the Yankees starting pitchers. The Marlins have a horse at the top of their rotation that everybody would want. And he's telling people to come out to the park and genuflect at his excellence.
This interview is awkward.
It's in his second language.
Listen to him after throwing the first complete game
“in a wild to tell everybody, yeah, I'm back.”
Look, I'm back. Sandy, your 13th career complete game. What makes this one a little different? A lot of different. You know, so you've been a long time
without throwing a complete game. But this one is especially for me. Oh, my family here. Fans is not here, but we still love them. Because we're not this is a harsh sport.
And they know what, some time they got to do something. They wore the house. So yeah, today was a great for me. I don't know what happened at the end there, two of them accepted.
He was like, he thought that he's like, the fans have to work. So I guess they've got things to do.
That interviews awkward in his second language.
Because I kid in that guy looks like he's in high school who's interviewing him. That's radio intro host, pre-game host, Steven Strong. What happened? We're trying to figure out the specifics.
What's if it's a great title? Guys, it's been a long week. I have been talking nonstop everywhere. Well, feel free. I'm exhausted.
Yeah, that's fine. I'm good, man. All relax. Everybody's excited about Marlon's baseball. You guys, please, because it's awesome.
Like, what's happening out there is awesome? And Sandy's right. Like, the fans need to show up. The same way we showed up as a fan base for Jose is the way that fans need to show up to watch.
So you say Sandy's right. So that's what you think that's intent. Like, to me, that sounded like he said something. And then he's like, oh, I shouldn't have said that. Sandy said it in both of his interviews.
He said it with Kelly Sacco on the post game interview on TV. He said it was Steven Strong on radio. And what he said is like, look, there are 6,000 people here today. Show up. We're good, young team.
Come out to the ballpark. Now, I would bet that every team in baseball that plays the white socks on a Wednesday afternoon at 1 o'clock will have the worst attendance of their season on that day. It just so happened to coincide with Sandy throwing a matrix.
But where he is right is this team deserves to have people show up. This isn't the flukey 5 and 1 start. Over there last 101 games. It could have been 100 where you tie it. But over the last 101 games, the marlins have a better record
than the Dodgers do. But they've been one of the very best teams in baseball over that stretch. They started horribly to start last year. But what they're doing, the guys they're bringing up, the guys they've traded for. Liam Hicks is a rule 5 pick.
Owen Casey, the guy they traded for in the Edward Cabaret trade. They're at the top of the league in RBI's 1 and 2. And you have an ace right there. And you're a Perez throwing on Friday. Who's a dark horse candidate for Sae Young according to even Jeff Passen.
The issue is that when you have a getaway day game at 1 o'clock on a Wednesday, like major league sports doesn't do that. Like you don't have an NBA game that starts at 1 o'clock. And everybody's like, all right, well, I gotta go see the kings at 1 o'clock. Like that hamstrings, I think.
A lot of attendance and a lot of people getting eyeballs on the game. Because people are at work, people are at lunch.
Like, oh no, watch the game for 32 second before I have to go back to my terrible desktop.
I'll be honest, I was thinking about that yesterday. It's like a Wednesday 1 p.m game. Who's this for? He's sixers. Oh, this is all, but this is, this is, this is so interesting.
All of this. Who's it for is the schedule, these people keep traveling all over the globe in a way
“that's really tiring by the time they get to that wonderful world series they gave us?”
The one o'clock game used to be part of this sports charm that you could go to a day game and watch baseball and it, it was something that was quaint and beautiful about the game and take me back to the 1950s. Mickey Mantle is running out to the outfield, all this stuff, that's beautiful. The golden age of baseball again, Wednesday at 1 o'clock, what, it's getting late
day, it's so they don't have to arrive at 5 o'clock in the morning. I'm just telling you why it is. That's talking about most of the sport though, most of the sport played 1 o'clock games
Yesterday.
I just want to know who the people in attendance were in their finest suits and ties and
hats and a newspaper under their arm and clapping. And they're all smoking chains smoking the whole time. I should dress like that the next time I go to a getaway day. Then chains smoked the whole time, but Wednesday at 1 p.m., the factory just gave you the day off.
They're all going to take in the Yankees. You don't see the boys in the pencil? This is true. I'm not making this up, okay. The history of this historic sport makes it.
So yes, somebody at 1 o'clock would have the honor to go attend the national past time with the cigarette and a newspaper and a top hat and the people in attendance were wearing suits and it was an honor to get off from work and go watch dementia because he happened to be in town. We took the train in.
Dan, do I have your permission to leave Thursdays show early to wear a baggy suit to the Marlins game? I think I want to wear a baggy suit. I adore a and have a newspaper under my elbow as I clap and call people with your snappers.
“If you want to stay really committed to the bit, you also have to get a lot of some racial”
slurs at some point. Yeah, we are going back to the 1950s. I did find a curious that I mean wanted to go back to the 1950s. That's not going to work out well for you. We're wanted to just see it from afar.
I don't mean right. Hey, Roy, buddy, you know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody all together in unison knows to stand up on their feet. Oh, absolutely, Mike. Yeah, you've been at many big time sporting events.
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You can do it with the law. You can do it with the law. You can do it with the law. You want to come at me and call me a fool? [laughs]
Oh, gentlemen, no. Seriously. Seriously. I've had it ten years to your career. This is the D'Aleba Tharsho with his two gods.
Our transition. This is, I am buried under Tony Stomtoni is taking great delight in giving me the giant thumbs down, I mentioned in a little too much truth in the truth. >> Don't do it again, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
It's really evident that, like, everybody got super charged up and he went on a run like their internally valuation, miss the mark on through the mind heap, thinking that they told Barry Jackson and he gave, he came out with a 10 commandments and they really liked their team. They think they're going to make a run.
“I think it's being proven that that's not that's not reality, man.”
It's being proven that they missed the mark yet again, thinking that they had enough, thinking that they were good enough for what enough to make some noise. No, I think that that was it. I don't know, I don't know anything. I have to know that anyway, I don't know anything.
But I know those people well enough to know that they looked at that roster in the year and they knew, look, we have an opportunity in the coming off season and the one after
that to have some incredible flexibility.
We're not going to sacrifice that this year for an incremental game. Why sacrifice it? Why not add to that flexibility? Everybody else that was in the Janice pursuit that found out that Milwaukee was on serious went on to make a move to either help their chances in acquiring Janice or make themselves
better at Lannis certainly did or set themselves up for the future understanding that it's time to capitulate. We're not good enough like Chicago. I'm not saying go out and get another star, I'm saying what they did, which was the only team in their conference and not make a move was very clearly an F-minus type of move.
You still are stuck in this reality where you think if a move isn't done, that means people say, "My army, here how does I get that out of my face? I'm not doing any deals, I'm bad, Riley, I like what I have. My reality is you are inundated with calls for terrible deals of different proportions. Sometimes talent, a return isn't good enough."
Sometimes removes flexibility and basically your inventory of things to move forward. I hear you.
“It doesn't mean they said no, it means there was not a good deal out there to be done.”
Well, they're apparently the only team in the conference that thought that there wasn't a deal to be done and that's the wrong move because you can't tell them. So you tell them, "Oh, is it the deal that was the call?" You see, you see, you see, you see, like add something that helps you. - Okay.
- In the office.
- What was the deal where there was a second round
to reveal it? - Dude, I don't know. - That's my point. - That's my point. You don't know.
- I mean, speaking with so much... - I mean, I'm trying to have a conversation with you. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I'm wholly other than that. My point to you is you don't know. Don't offer me by yelling at me. No, I'm not right. I'm pretty out of you by giving you facts. No, you're not giving me facts. I'm giving you not giving me a matter of opinion. You don't know.
No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. I don't know. I don't know either. Right. That's why I do know everybody else made a move. The point is you don't know what was and wasn't available. That's the point. You speak with such certainty that I can't believe it and make a move. Okay. You don't know what was available. All right. Well, I'm pretty certain that they could have traded.
Anybody on their roster for anything that would have helped their cause in th...
I think that's pretty irrefutable. And I think you sound like a jackass for challenging that notion. But you're not the biggest jackass in the zip code because across the street, there are bigger jackasses that miss the more it's a jack-off. Yeah, it is a jack-off. We got it jack-off. I can't believe you jack-off. What are we doing? I'm so clearly right on the Miami Heat. Like, this is so stupid. This is what my does. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, what are you saying? Just as you write about the team. Mike, Gary Manders, the basically the environment with the argument is happening. I'm not saying to you, though, the Miami Heat is great. They didn't need to make a move. What I'm saying to you is you are implying that there was something to be done when we don't know that.
“That's what I'm saying. There's always something to be done. It's the NBA. It's telling acquisition.”
Well, I got a shot. We're the only team that didn't do anything. There was nothing to be done. There was always something. Can I, can I mend fences on this maybe and find a middle ground?
Which is I know what Mike wants here, which is specifically it's guys like Norman Powell or Andrew Wiggins. He wishes that he would have moved those players. Theoretically, the entire fan base was like, move them for first round picks. But those things are not available. Mike says, OK, just move them for second round picks. But would you move those guys for second round picks? If you then have to take on long term money because Andrew Wiggins is going to be a player going into an expiring deal that his value going into next year.
If he's on a exercise as his player option is a year or $30 million is that more valuable in your pursuit of Janis or is a second round pick more valuable is Norman Powell's money coming off the books or in a sign and trade more valuable to you or a second round pick. These are the questions that are out there. You guys each have different opinions on how you go about it and we don't know what deals might have been zero. And what it means opinion. I don't, that's my point. I don't have a different opinion. I am merely operating with the reality that I do not have the information available to me to make a call. Mike is saying, hey, they should have done something. Mike, if you told me, hey, they could have tried to Andrew Wiggins for two first.
“Of course, I might go ahead and do it. But my point is you don't know what was offered to them.”
I don't know that their position is they felt good about their team and they weighed that opinion about their team against whatever was out there and also, I don't need to entertain this anymore.
I don't. I don't thank you very much. I won't. Because I was right. You're right about what? You're right about them being a nowhere franchise in a bad position. We knew the roster was in a shit when they're sending their, they're sending their PR guys over to Barry Jackson saying, they like their hand explaining to a frustrated fan base, which has a right to be frustrated, why exactly they stood pat at the deadline. Yeah, so my feel pretty good about my position. The fence rest.
“What do you think their PR department should have done?”
I'm not doing this anymore. Not doing it anymore. It's something. I'm asking you what their PR department, you didn't like what they did. Tell me what they should have. The PR department, not basketball apps. You did what they're supposed to do and have effectively done in this market for several years, which is what they're supposed to do.
Yes, which is get the message out there. Hey, this is the right move. And while they're in an unenviable position, when you compare their position to the rest of the league, hopefully this offseason, what we've tried for the last four years in trying to upgrade the talent level on this roster, hopefully it works out.
I would have loved some more additional assets that would have put Miami in an even better spot to do so, because there always seems to be a team that has better assets.
And when I look at the lay at the land inside the conference, and your competition in acquiring those stars, like even outside of the conference like Minnesota, they did things to put themselves in better positions. And I don't think there was some jerk off in front of a microphone. So you know, there's no deal to be done. No, I said jerk off. You were having jack off before versus to jerk not to jack off. You're taking the doubles. The doubles advocacy argument. Yes, what kind of what kind of stance is that that there is not a deal to be made to improve.
That's not what kind of stance is that when everyone else in the league makes the move. It is not it is not an argument that is based in reality, that is not sports. And that is certainly not the the credibility and foundation that Pat Riley has stood against him when it comes to upgrading this roster. That's not who that guy is. That's not the you think Pat Riley's a kind of guy that's like, oh, he's not he's not looking at him. So I'm the kind of guy that can't make a move. That's not who he is. You're making my point and that they didn't need to make a move. My point is you don't know what was available.
You don't know the deals that were on the table without that knowledge.
I don't need to attend this and you're moving in and he's a joke.
All right, Dan, you don't like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no All right, Dan, let's see. You don't like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to hit him. I'm talking for 30 minutes. Non stop. Let me get my 30 seconds. 30 minutes. Let me get my 30 seconds. 30 seconds. 30 seconds without knowing what was on the table. You cannot speak with any level of certainty that they messed up by not doing it. You're doing the family guy, a boat's a boat, but the mystery box could be anything. It could be a boat. You don't know. It's in the mystery box. You can only operate off of what's available. You could say, hey,
“if something was available, and they didn't do it. Of course, again, I'm with you. If there were options to move some of these guys for real asset, for real return on value, of course.”
But Mike, that doesn't seem to be the case. You know how I know? I don't even need to talk about very Jackson anyone locally.
I didn't hear anything from Shoms or Sam Amick or Mark Spears or anyone like, oh, the heat had a deal on the table to move Davi on Mitchell for seven first round picks.
But they turned it down. You wouldn't have been happy with Jose Alvarado. You wouldn't have been happy if you're saying do something. Here's your argument that I would make. So everybody else had moves, but let's play this game where the Miami heat were the lone team that legitimately didn't have moves. Because what? Because of what? Because of why? Show me the moves. Show me the move. Why didn't they have moves? Show me the moves.
“Show me the move. What's your argument? Why didn't they have moves? Because they built a pathetic roster that no one's interested in?”
Because they literally have zero pieces. Again, F-minus failure. If every other team has the piece.
If every other team is making a move, then the failure is even greater because they have the same. The failure criticisms are a year late on Jimmy Butler. No one wins there. A year late on Jimmy Butler. Miss on Durant because you're holding onto whatever it is that you're holding on to one Durant and win now. Houston's in win now. You're ostensibly in win now. And you need somebody that's better than Norman Powell and Tyler Hero to advance BAM. If you're building around BAM, like these are fair criticism.
Right. But do you see what the difference is? The difference is you're talking about actual transactions that were available and not pursued in the moment.
“And Mike is talking about my imagination tells me this could have happened. Mike's not doing that. Mike, what Mike is doing? Tell me what to deal with.”
Let me speak very clearly to you because apparently you've missed the last three years. I mean, I have been saying and been right that the roster is not good enough. No, no, no, no. The Miami Heat Hath publicly publicly they have and by their in actual. What are the PR departments give me my 30 on interrupted seconds. Jimmy my 31 interrupted. That's a PR department responsible. Give me my 30 on interrupted seconds, too. All right. Because we've been right here is spousing these beliefs that the roster is not good enough.
They've been publicly at least and by their inaction privately not doing anything to upgrade the roster make it better. There is the failure. There is the failure. They miss the mark. We hit the mark. That's the failure. And if they hit the mark, they would have stockpiled assets. They would have done something to put themselves in better position. Be it at this deadline or in the offseason. It is, I mean, look at me. Irreffutable that they have failed these last two years with how they've managed this roster. Irreffutable.
By nuking the trade value of Jimmy Butler by the disaster Terry Rosier acquisition that I was openly campaigning against. By their inaction at this deadline. He also campaigning against Kylaura in terms of. And that was a disaster, too, even though they made it to the finals. That guy sucked. Okay. Look, I'm made uncomfortable by what just happened there. I mean, just got an amine. Look at me and obediently he did. And you guys have raged at each other about something that neither one of you is wrong on because he's like show me the exact deal that they're turning down so that I have the facts to properly criticize this.
It's not an unfair repraisal by him because there are a lot of reports. And we think this about the rate. We don't know how close they could have gotten, but the reports are from these credible people. They're not willing to give up some of your young pieces in order to get Yanis. Exactly. So look like well, not in order to get Yanis in order to get something that's not Yanis in the pursuit of Yanis, right. That's all my all I'm saying is we know pretty well in this league when there are sometimes there are rumor deals that we don't hear about until years later.
Oh, actually, they were very close to getting Kevin Garnado, whatever, as I was in Phoenix, right. But most of the time when we are criticizing what a front office does or doesn't do, we have Available some information. It may not be the full picture, but some information of Decisions made or decisions not made. We know about the Jimmy Butler thing. He's right about that. We know about the Terry Rose your thing. He's right about that.
Mike's problem is he thinks I'm arguing that they've done a great job.
You don't know what was available. All you know is like everyone else made a deal. What does that mean?
“So Mike is basically chasing the action. He wants something to happen. I've worked for a man like that. I'm sorry to cut you off.”
I've worked for a man like that who would walk in on draft. What are we doing? What are we doing? That's not the job. The job isn't just doing stuff. I got me one of these. I find really interesting how different your expect perspectives are because he of course has done it for a living.
Yeah, well, you've done it for a living and he spent 15 years being spoiled by the standard. This organization set for us, which is none of this is good enough.
And now they'll win the next five games and it doesn't serve them because they've got a 0% chance at a top four pick if they make the playoffs. They'll fool no one by winning their last five games in a row against against bad teams. And then they'll go into the playoffs and be not good enough. And there is no questioning that the standard they've set has fallen into some deep disrepair because they've been a year slow on moves they have not made. Whatever those would have been that wouldn't be merely getting normed pal and making him an all star.
But improving the team so that you don't also now have to look at Atlantan be like are you kidding me?
Now it now it's a fixed in 15 games and this this this locomotive in eastern conference is going past us because Detroit's already better and the nicks are already better and Orlando kick sure ass every time they see you and Toronto's got those young wings and you're looking up at the entire conference and they're younger. The standard set the standard set is what is the oraborus that is eating itself up because the standard set of excellence the way you get excellence is by bottoming out.
“Now if you want to have a real conversation about hey this front office feels because it refuses on policy on pay on on record to not go the route we went you mentioned three teams.”
Them Detroit Atlanta Orlando you know all three of those teams have on the roster. Number one overall pick. Kid cutting him Zachary research say and and a pal of I care right all of those teams regardless of how you feel about research say all of those teams went to the muck. They was you know what got to know when to hold them no one to fold them and we're folding and then hopefully come out on the other side of this with a transformational player who's going to. And now Charlotte's better than you like Charlotte had a number number two or number three of them just saying it's the whole it's the whole conference to me.
Then you're giving me the whole conference of people who took a strategy that the Miami heat on principles say we do not do. We do not do that's the only part found it no that's the point. Mike Mike's a point off their way to each other's point Mike's thing if you had said to me this front office fails because they refuse to do the hard thing which is be bad for real for a couple years and then come out on the other side. I would I would have I would have capitulated immediately I would have been the need to use a Tony.
So how are we highlighting a series of failures over the course of several seasons and saying that this deadline was not one of those things.
“I know you're just asking the question but I don't have what was available to them few people do this is a very secret organization but I do think it's a pretty strong hand when you say the rest of the conference found deals.”
They they decided on courses some like the bulls went south some like the hawks went north the heat stayed right where they are and that that even the pacers went north. I would argue that the hawks did not go north by acquisition they did by subtraction yes, but that could happen here too.


