Can I get an honest appraisal from all people involved on, and no sugar coating?
How does everyone feel about Trist's dog, Ollie, being here? Pretty non-imtrusive, compared to all the other dogs,
could have waited a second before you started some shit?
I mean, I like dogs, I guess, but I like my dogs. So, I feel that way when people show you pictures of their kids,
“I feel like that's how people feel about kids.”
They like their kids, they don't want to hear your stories about your kids. But I tend to love all dogs, especially dogs, though, that are this non-imtrusive. I'm the one who allowed the dogs in the office, and there have only been a couple of complaints. It's, I mean, mostly, right? I mean, is the one who complains the most about dogs in the workplace,
and he believes it makes it a hostel work environment for him. But what is the appraisal from everyone here? Does anyone, do we know if anyone here has any objections that they have shared about Ollie? Because Ollie seems lovely. Yeah, first word.
I mean, it's remarkable. Oh my god, your first word's trying to get people in the office. And I was worried you might miss that period. What guests in this week, Trist's, like, someone say something bad about Trist's. I'm not saying, I'm not saying for anyone to say anything bad about Trist's over you.
Before the show, do you like that? I'm fat weird, right? Not what I said. I didn't say any of that. You guys are putting all these words in my mouth.
I'm pretty good with words. The words that come out of my mouth. I'm generally aware of what they are, what they should be. So for the record. I'm a flammatory guy by nature.
Yes, I mean, look at him. I just want, he's in flame. I just want honesty. I want honesty in the work. You're like that little girl where she's smiling in the whole house is on fire behind her.
That's you.
Juju always gives it to me straight.
Juju, what is the appraisal here? Have you heard anything? What kind of feelings have you gotten from the room in general about the appearance of Ollie the dog? Silence works typically in an audio format.
Injuice. Injuice defense, he put on. He put on. He put on. He put on.
He put on. He put on. He put on. He put on. That's usually where I would look first.
If someone speaks and microphones on and the faders down on the board is probably. No, you look like you look like you're all over it. The faders up. All right. Good.
Good start.
“So Juju's not going to be able to speak for the whole show or what?”
This is the Dun-Lebapar show with this two-guards podcast. So I go away for a few minutes and we're at war with Iran. Stephen Hawking is in the Epstein files with photographs. The US hockey team has given up all of its goodwill in five minutes. Robin Baines, arms are too short, Tyler Van Dykes, career is over as a quarterback.
What else did I miss? What else do you guys have for me that changed while I was gone for a week? You were gone for a week. You're just going to list everything. Like things happen.
I know things happen, but these are some substantive things that have happened. I appreciate the appraisal that things happen, but I didn't have Ruben Baines arms being too short. Like they were the same size. They were the same size all of last season is what I'm saying.
I saw him in the backfield all the time with those short arms, saying they didn't get any shorter. You wouldn't put them as too short, but you would put them in the same tier as that's as big a story as war with Iran. You know, all of that is in the same class of stuff.
I put all of that in the same place, especially Tyler Van Dykes career being over. He went straight to coach when I saw SMU gets new assistant former University Miami quarterback. I thought it was Ken Dorsey. Like I didn't think it was going to be Tyler Van Dyke.
Yeah, they actually have DR King on staff as well over there too. Yeah, Tyler started a game for Wisconsin against Alabama.
It was actually moving the ball quite well again, so I'm going to first drive and then
he just totally tore up his knee and you thought, okay, this will be the standard ACL thing. Then photos came out of his knee and recovery and it looked jacked up. Like I know that usually say, Tyler Van Dyke had a successful surgery. This, I mean, his knee looked bad.
There were photos of him smoking cigars from the SMU locker room after they had defeated Miami last year and it looked pretty jarring. So I'm not surprised at his career is over. He was basically on the staff as a coach in uniform for them. I imagine you guys talked plenty about everything that happened with the US hockey team.
“But how are you guys feeling about Inter Miami going to the White House?”
Because now Inter Miami is going to do that, right? And I'll message it's knocked down on the court or on the pitch, I should say, in Puerto Rico. And now they're headed these things, these things cannot be done quietly anymore.
They're not just photo ops anymore.
It's side taking now is where it is that we've, for the US Olympic hockey team to do something
it hasn't done a nearly half a century.
“And I remember what it was like the last time they did it and to give the good, good”
will away that quickly, it's rare that I've ever seen a sports team of any kind. Do that, give away that kind of good will, the best good will, patriotism. It's the easiest good will in sports. The easiest. Everybody, no matter how they feel about the flag, they can wrap themselves in it because
something silly happens in sport. Now, Inter Miami, your champion here locally, you've got locally, you've got the Panthers are finished. That's a quiet and to a two time championship reign. The heat are arguing with former legends, Dwayne and BAM are arguing about whether they
are or aren't to play in teams. They are. Thank you, Tristan. Technically for now. They are and they have been the last couple of seasons, but they're Dwayne and BAM are arguing
about it. BAM is saying that Calilware doesn't listen to spoke, but he does listen to me. That's something that just happened. Yep. That's strange.
You guys want to see where playing with BAM, like they, if, if where doesn't play, they're not very good. Like statistically. I like the idea of where playing next to BAM, especially when BAM comes out and says that where listens to him.
So I like that dynamic. If BAM is supposed to be a leader, he is the captain. I like the idea that they're next to each other. If we're listening to him also, I saw Barry Jackson put out this number a couple of days ago that when Calilware plays less than 15 minutes a game, the heat, at least at that
point were one and nine on the season. My God. I thought it was worse than that. I thought it was like one and 15. But let's get BAM.
I thought this was interesting from BAM. I also, I was surprised by it because BAM is being unfiltered honest here. I don't generally find BAM to be that interesting. But I thought all of this was hugely interesting. He usually doesn't say publicly interesting things.
But listen to what he has to say here about playing with Calilware. But he wants to learn. He wants to figure it out. And, you know, for Spomere, he's just got given an opportunity to make mistakes. And I sometimes don't mistakes be crazy.
But as you can see, he's a talent man. He can get a double double with his eyes closed. And when you have that type of talent and he's activated, you know, he doesn't do anything but help out defense up our offense and Big Brother can make plays. He also said he doesn't listen to Spomere.
He listens to me. Like that, that sounds not there, but I was surprised to hear that sound. I go to the workouts with him at 6am. What is that? Saying out loud.
I don't listen to Spomere. He doesn't listen to Spomere. He listens to me.
“I think it means that Spomere is really tough on him.”
Probably the same way that he was really tough on Bam, you know, seven, eight years ago. Spomere has been talking smack about Calilware since Summer League. Calilware is for Summer League. And just burying him over and over and over again at a certain point. I think talents need to be led in different ways and Spomere does not care.
He's going to continue to give Calil a tough love. And Calil went to Oregon transfer out of there because he didn't want Dana Altman in his ear. So this is not new, I think, for Calil. Well, I remember the very first time, the very first time I ever spoke to Spomere as the
head coach. What he made clear right away is I do not care if the player's like me. It's no part of my job description. Do the players like me. However, when I hear the leader of this team for better or worse, that's the leader.
It's not Tyler Hero, the leader on the court of this team is Bam out of Bio.
When I hear him say flatly, young player doesn't listen to coach, I've never heard a
heat player say it about their coach. And I don't think that's good. Like I don't, I don't think there's a way to frame any of what's happening between Spom and Calilware. She can, she can file it under tough love.
That's the most generous assessment. But if he's tuning out tough love, then it stops being love and it's just tough. His him not listening to Spom is Bam saying that as something that, like does that make Spom look bad or does that make where look bad? I think it makes Spom look bad.
“Honestly, like at a certain point, you have to change the way that you coach.”
If somebody is tuning you out, and it's a talent who is to the point where Bam is saying like this guy makes plays. Yeah, that makes mistakes. He makes sometimes are crazy, but he's a young player. He's very talented. He has all the tools. He's a seven footer who can do all these different
things like it will move Spom to adapt to a certain point if you want to get the best out of your talent. When he's listening to Bam at a bio more than the coach, I think that's a bad sign. So this is an interesting thing that she's bringing up here because I have talked to people who are now in their fifties in charge of things.
And they don't understand how the young people in meetings are always in their phones.
The young people, when you're having meetings about important things, they ha...
point for these people who are 30 years younger than me, they're in their phones.
And their choices, to either ban it and lose them or adapt.
“And I think most people listening this are probably saying, Spom doesn't need to adapt.”
Calilware needs to learn. The entire pressure of the entire system is falling on Calilware to get better. No matter whether the environment is supportive or not. But the best executives, I know, say to their young people, "Hey, look, I understand the things have changed.
I'm not going to do a hard and fast rule on your phones." But please, in these instances, be paying attention. I need you to adhere to the general outline of some rules that I'm going to change a little bit for you. But I don't see why and how Spom would change.
Why would he? There's nothing. There's nothing in the culture of what the Miami heat are that would suggest to Spom that he has to change.
And if you work that, they're just to play in team all the time.
And he kind of needs that player to be great if the architecture of this team is going to be such that they're not going to get him better players. Right.
“First of all, Spom, what have you done for me lately?”
Like, I don't see no rains on them fingers lately. At the same time, I think he should take the advice and the example from how Steve Carhandle Kaminger. Because Kaminger is good enough if you put him in the right system as you see, he's good enough if you're willing to work with him.
Or irresponsibility and just trying to work with the young gentleman. I think is kind of wrongly, if I was on Spom. Canther be an argument made that they've handled him exactly right this season because he's gotten better and better and now the minutes alongside BAM are productive. Like he was struggling so much defensively in those matchups with BAM because he was
shop block chasing it now. Those times where they're out there together over the last four or five games they play together, they're like plus 80 when they're on the floor together and limited minutes. So while I understand like Colelle has been frustrated, there's also an argument to be made that they have handled him the right way because he has only improved in the ways
they've needed. Well, he's not being handled the right way if he's not listening to his coach. If I've got BAM saying out loud, he doesn't listen to Spom. He said, I want big fella out there. I feel like he listens to me and sometimes he kind of ignores Spom.
I've banked so much equity with him throughout the summer and then he later on says like, I feel like he gets better when he's out there with me. It is a semantics here.
“Like, well, but I think I'm going to take the opposite side of the semantics then it sounds”
like you are. It feels a little bit like a throwaway line to be perfectly honest what BAM is saying there. Like does he not listen to his coach sometimes? It definitely. Like I think it's why he slipped in the draft and he's such an incredible town.
Like there was a reputation that he had when he was in school and I didn't even know the part that Tristan just said about Oregon, okay? So clearly there was a reputation of the player kind of feels a little bit like a throwaway line from BAM.
And he's never offered that in a way of a throwaway line before and I've never heard
someone say that about someone who's coaching the heat before, like never buying going back to Kevin Lockrieg. I've never heard it say, I sometimes ignores the coach, especially a player sitting there fighting for minutes. Well, but I think while maybe it wasn't set out loud, I think we can all agree.
Hassan White said was likely not listening to Spom all the time. Okay. And BAM didn't say so. Right. Well, but maybe he's a more tired.
It was understood. It was understood. Yeah. I want to get Mike's reaction to this Barry Jackson tweet right here. Spose said recently the heat is simply better than it's record.
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All these side bait analysts, I don't want to mention names, TNT, ESVM, you know, oh yeah, they are dead, they're not going to make it, you know, even if they win, if they lose it in Miami, they can't get down and they lose it in Miami, they don't get a chance in Boston or they're going to have their ass, you know, one thing in Boston, you know, two guts. They were wrong, they were, they're going to lose their job, no, they're going to get a cousin
bait, no, what they're going to do, keep predicting what is the obvious, they're going to say, oh, they know it's going to win, oh, Denver, they aren't, they do, and you know what, they're going to win it all. This is the damn limit to our show, with this two guts, see, that's the kind of stuff that bothers me, is that, you know, sourced quote, because man, back in the day, the heat
of a bad loss, team looks like it's not a championship caliber team, and Pat Riley goes in his office, he trades everybody. It's like it's not acceptable, okay, and now it's now for the fourth year in a row, we're going to be a play in team, but we think we're better than our record is, like that's,
“that's not, that's not Pat Riley, that's what all men getting soft in his old, what happened?”
I'm just listening to some of the same stuff that we're never really talking about man,
Klo, where it was, outstanding last night, usually all our color, color, where conversations are like, hopefully this guy can put it together, that's how I know about Klo, where because I haven't really watched much of him, because I'm not watching much Miami basketball these days, because I don't think the team's got a chance to have it. Everyone can see it, though, Mike, when he's out there, everyone can see both sides of it,
the exchange, that he's a unicorn, athletically, and he does a lot of dumb stuff. Right. Well, that's coming. That's the same situation as Judi was saying about Kominga, and now we see him thriving in his role, where you've got Dominique Wilkins screaming on the broadcast, like, thank
you warriors for gifting us this unique talent, and I'm going to tell you this, I wouldn't
be surprised at this happen with Cleo Ware, and he thrives somewhere else.
I'm surprised it didn't happen, which is, I hear this, I'm like, that should have been Phoenix's problem. It should have been Milwaukee's problem. It's, I mean, Eric Spolisher is one of the greatest coaches of all time, when it comes to Klo Ware, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll side with him on, on how to manage
this talent.
“You look back at this and wish that they trade it where for Doran?”
Yes. Yes. I do. I mean, I was, I was saying that. Yeah, I, I'm not as bullish on where I understand why they're aspects to his game, that
you're like, man, if this guy can put it all together, but they're guys like that in the league. Look, if there was ever an instance for Miami to kind of change its ways and adapt to a certain talent, that Michael Beesley had a lot of tools, Michael Beesley's a tremendous score. They had him number two.
They, they, they did the rare thing where they tried to lose intentionally for a shot at him, and they capitulated on that, too. So I, I don't, I don't see like, Klo Ware's, like, ceiling being like, that kind of level, I just thought he would be a piece, and I wish that they would develop him a little
“bit more, and quite honestly, maybe stop dragging his name through the mud.”
So his value can kind of stay high, because like, look, you psychominga, there wasn't much of a market for him, and the, the player had talent, and he probably should have fetched more than what he got given what we've seen recently, and he didn't because they mismanage that, just like the Miami heat recently mismanaged to Jimmy Butler situation. So my trust in them to be able to maximize the assets that they do have on the roster
is kind of waning. Let me ask you this, though, as it relates to the things that Zaz is pointing out about Pat Riley and his age, and what we're talking about is the generational, multi-generational golf between Pat Riley and players who are 20 years old, and Spow and players who are 20 years old, because Spow doesn't get to be the young person anymore.
The leaders of this team are young people. It's not a little where young, but it's, it does Tyler here will look to you in any way, like something that represents Pat Riley. Is there anything that Tyler here was giving off to you that suggests to you that Pat Riley understands load management and understands players not playing all 82 games, and
it's just looking at Tyler here and saying, yeah, that looks like magic and cream to me. That looks like Larry Bird to me, let's listen to Tyler here, we're talking about the back and forth with Kevin Durant, where they were just calling each other names during the game. Nothing crazy, I know Kevin, a little bit, he's competed, you know, I feel like as a team
We didn't have an edge to us in Milwaukee or Filly, so I was just trying to b...
edge to it, I mean, you work, the team responded, so we're down 14 to 4 at the time,
I believe, I was able to just get some fire going, I feel like we're at our best when we got guys in here that are all edge.
“I think that stuff that you have to say, 60 games into a season that you're going to win”
some of these home games when Houston is tired and traveling all over the place, oh Jeremy, yes, give me faces after you said you're going to sit it out after there are two losses, now you've got a lot of opinions. You don't use it last week, I know what I did, I lied, I lied. This team is number one in the East and points per game, they're number one in the East
and defensive rating, they're number one in the East in rebounding, aren't they? Better. You have been able to spread out the minutes between Kaleau Warren, Bam at a bio. Now, while the two guys play together, you're playing really well, which unlocks a different level of ceiling for these guys, because you're now Bam, Rome on the wing.
You have Andrew Wiggins playing the best season of his entire career and he was locked down over that stretch on Saturday, this team has potential to be better than what their record says there is and I think it would be wrong to just dismiss it because we're talking about quotes from Spau on Bam, on Kaleau from a month ago, rather than what he's been talking about lately, which is that effort is there.
Oh, they're going and getting rebounds is there playing on the defensive end and having awareness and communicating in the zone is there. This team is playing better, okay, but potential to be better than their record is, what does it even mean?
So they're going to face Detroit the first round of the playoffs.
How do you think that's going to go? They're going to get smacked.
“That's what I told Jeremy before we started this show and by the way Detroit has the number”
one defensive rating in the East, not the same. Seconds. Not my me. But you had to read it. I just want to be accurate because Jeremy is an accuracy guy.
He says things. So I just don't think that this means anything. You take the heat, who are basically the plan team, you know, talk about Dreyman is like, oh, it's the golden state, warriors, invitational, that's what the Miami heat should say about the play internment.
And you'd also know the thing about the old days is them to old days, but welcome to the new century. Matt the Udan. Thank you, Juju. In this new century, I didn't realize that there is an ability to unlock a new level of
ceiling. There's our multiple stories in this house. I want to, I want to, I want to explore this a little bit. The ceiling when Kaleu Ware doesn't play alongside BAM is different than the ceiling when he does play alongside BAM.
I don't think that that's a crazy thing to say. It's not a crazy thing to say, but you know what's crazy is. We all think and spoke, keep saying, nah, like that part, that part is a little confusing to me. We're all like, yeah, this seems easy.
“Why don't they do this in the last two regular season games where they play together?”
They outscore people by 66 when those two giant people are out there together. But the coach keeps saying, nah, I'm good. I'm all right. I want to keep motivating him to be better. I think that parts weird.
We're not going to trade him under any circumstances, but also not going to play him very much. What are we doing? How is it possible that I'm sitting here, okay? And I'm listening to Tristan Juju, say, yes, Paul's got a wrong.
Spone knows less than us. And I'm like, I don't think that's right. I think he's got more information than we do. And I think he probably knows a little bit about what he's doing. And I think maybe we have, maybe there's something here.
We're not understand. It's call out where worth any of this. And I include the 20 minutes we've discussed. They could have had Kevin Durand for him and decided not to trade for Kevin Durand because they wanted to keep him.
So they think so, but they don't play him. Right. So clearly, they were wrong about that in the off season, which means that that goes back to the original point. I don't like that.
It's not even like the superstars that they're missing out on. It's guys that can help your roster and just dig yourself out of this weird purgatory that Miami finds itself in, they'll play hard, they'll be a couple moments in the season where Jeremy thinks we can win the East and we'll get into the play in. And hey, hey, hey, we might even get into the play off.
And then what happened last year?
They got swept in historic fashion and the biggest beat down in NBA first round history.
And I think that's kind of, I think that's kind of their fate here. We know that they're not good enough. We know that they're not going to be bad enough. And we're just going to keep with this plan. And hopefully we can get the whale in the off season, rinse repeat.
But I remember about the last postseason is that that is where Zaz got a job with us. Because it started not with the historic beat down by Cleveland that represents a greater beat down than any that there's been in the playoffs. And the last one was by 60, I think the last game they lost by 60 and just started their vacation.
But right before that, they beat Atlanta in a game that ended up with Zaz securing this particular job. Some projant tickets. But the thing that I want to get to, that Jeremy just did there and I don't know if he's trying to trick me or he's trying to trick himself.
I don't know what he's doing.
Because it's one thing to say last week after they lose two in a row that he's not talking about him anymore and then they beat Houston at home and he's like they're back in the end. No, but this is what I want to know. When you say, because Tristan corrected you on the defensive rating.
But when you say they're number one in point scored and you're using that bogus stat of points when their pace is faster than everyone and they're about 14, 15 or 16 and offensive efficiency, you know better about which number to use. Why are you using points instead of efficiency? Is it to trick me or is it to trick yourself?
It's to trick you and the pace being number one is maybe more note worthy.
“Yeah, but I can't trust you on any stat now because that's what has changed this team from”
last season. What a liar. You've turned into number one in points. Just in defensive rating, they know how to slow down overall. They know how to slow down other teams.
They rebound as well as anybody on the conference. I'm just telling you like those underlying numbers when you ask why do they believe those things? That's why because you could see a team that's different in terms of what it was from last year.
I'm not saying the result is going to be any different.
They might lose in the first round, but it's a different roster in terms of who's playing.
It's a different structure in terms of the way that they play offense. It's a different team and everybody wanted this overall. They acquired and all star guard and they're playing things differently. It is what it is. This is the D'Unlebot our show with a Stugat with a Stugat.
“You say it is what it is but I think one of the things that always gets lost in the discussions”
about these teams going back to even LeBron, Dwayne and Bar. Sposal thing is defense. It's not offense. This whole thing is defense and bam and wear out there together, harm them defensively and hero being out there with them, harms them defensively like his, he doesn't care about
anything else. He doesn't care if they go out there and they go over 20 for three as long as they're spacing the floor because all he cares about is are we playing hard defense because it's one of the only things he can control and make better than other teams. How hard are we playing on defense?
We've had in the history of this show stretches with very middling teams. Panthers perpetually five points out of the final playoff spot, Miami Hurricanes, oh, this is going to be the year and then they'll lose like three ACC games, Miami Dolphins. We've been doing that one for a couple of years and with all those teams, usually have the point to go including the marlins whenever like they do their peaks and valleys thing.
You could always go to the front office or the manager's got to go, GM's got to go.
They got to shake things up. That conversation never surrounds a Miami Heat ever. We are never saying anything like, has Spoloss's touch, I mean, not being able to like develop and reach this young man usually that falls on a coach, not here, like you made
“the point, but no one's saying like, well, should we consider shaking things up over here?”
Like they keep telling us that they want to get a superstar, they keep failing. Should we get somebody in there that is good at this? That's better at this, never a conversation around the Miami Heat. I understand why, but us as content creators, I do find them being such a challenge to talk about locally because the top line of this franchise totally off limits in terms of holding
accountable. There's only one other time I've seen it happen and it's when Shula was doing all the winning and none of this engulfed Shula until Jimmy Johnson's available. So unless you're going to show me future pop out there, unless you've got something out there where people are looking at it and saying, that's available.
Oh, is Brad Stevens available? Can we get him like, unless you're saying there's a guy, the only time it ever happened to Shula was not only that Jimmy Johnson was available, but Jimmy Johnson was sitting there in the keys saying, that's the job I want. I'd like to have that job and then all of a sudden you can turn it over.
That's in the history of South Florida sports.
There's never this kind of stability.
And I do think that Zaz and everyone in here would acknowledge that, well, dude, you are interested or comfortable saying, yes, Spose probably got this one wrong. Nobody's saying Spose should be fired. Like no one's going to say that. There's no one in this market who's going to say out loud, get this group of people out
there. But there is an embarrassing moment though that I can point to Chris and Jeremy attended the event. Roddy was like, I got the heart, please.
I got the win.
Can't talk a big game like that. Watch it away. I got a guy. I don't get it. And he gets it.
And he didn't. So it's just you're the ruffalo. You're grandpa, yamoring. I mean, that was a Thanksgiving dinner. When he did that night, I was like, that's either going to age fantastically or horribly
and we see how it age. I mean, look, usually to get drastic change in approach because we keep batting our head against the wall thinking that we're going to expect something different. And look, maybe on the eighth time we better head against the wall, a Yana sense of Tacumbo will appear on this roster.
But usually to get the kind of change that we kind of want to see, we have proven commodities here. And I don't know if the answer lies in them. Now I'm not saying firespot and I'm not saying Pat Riley.
“I think both of those guys, lifetime contracts here, I understand I'm talking out of”
both sides of my mouth a little bit. But inside that room, maybe Nick Harrison gets a little bit more power. Maybe we say, you know what, this isn't going to go the way that you want it. Well, but what makes this isn't going to go the way that you want it. What makes you think different.
What makes you think that's not already so Nick Harrison is Pat Riley's boss. That's not something that people know. But it's so, it's been so since the beginning. Well, the reason why I don't think it's so in that it's that we just continue to tread water.
I haven't seen the drastic thing that really surprises me out of this. In fact, every season for the last four seasons, I've been able to kind of accurately forecast how it's going to go. Can you imagine Nick Harrison, former ballboy, firing Pat Riley? Like, did you imagine Pat Riley getting anything other than how he wants to go out
period? Well, I will respond to your question with another question. Can you respond? Can you really wrap your head around Pat Riley ending his time down here with a six-year whimper of not being able to deliver a superstar?
“Well, he does the post season press conference and he goes up to Chris Cody saying,”
"I got the hard poons. We've been doing this every year now and it's starting to sound borderline cookie when you keep playing." Well, but this is the thing, though, I'm going to move off of this subject. You saying six years of failure when there are two finals appearances in there is not six
years of failure. We broke her to peace, still. You no longer get to mention the NBA Finals against the Denver Nuggets and I will not mention that Cooper Flag was taken with our draft pick. Like, let's rule that that's been a loss because you're not going to have that as an example
of it working out. And I got a very shiny, more recent example of tank launch. I'm not going to ignore two finals appearances in six years when it's something that I can't even say of Denver. Thank you.
Who's got the best player in the world and they haven't been to two of them. You're welcome, too. They have a championship. Yeah, they got the championship. I am she does not.
They got the championship and you'd have ruled out. We've all put the Dallas Mavericks in our rearview mirror and they were at an NBA Finals for more recently. That might be Pat Riley's standard, either when the championship or its failure. It's not my standard.
My standard is not second place as a failure.
My standard is not I'm better than all of the teams, but one and therefore I'm a failure. What is Pat Riley standard? That's the standard. It's winter misery. The set.
No, I just said that that's Pat Riley's standard. He put it there for you. It's why it's your standard. It's not my standard. I'm not going to say two finals appearances in six years is a failure when when's the last
time Sacramento was in the finals? When was the last time Atlanta was in the final? It's funny that you mentioned the NBA Finals, because they also made that from a plan. The standard here as it has been, even with that Finals run has been playing and that's okay.
The last few years, playing is where it has been and I will grant you that it tricked them when they beat Janis into believing it a little bit more. The same way that it tricked them the last year of Deon waiters in Hassan Whiteside that they went 33 and 13 down the stretch and then re-signed Deon waiters in Hassan Whiteside,
as they thought they had to run that back because they had a good second half of a scene.
Too many companies.
“If you laugh first, you'll ask Dan, I'll remember that.”
This is a bit exasperating to me because I would just ask the all of you, like seriously. If you finished second place competing against the world, would you feel like a failure? Like I know we do this around here, bronze medal and silver medal, that's first and second loser. I know we do that around here, but if you finished second in the world that anything would
you be a failure? Yes, do you know how different the world was when they finished second? They're not finishing second. They're finishing tenth. What are we doing?
Stop saying they're a runner-up when they're 10th. You were saying this when they were second. No, but even when they finished second, they came out of tenth. They're the standardest tenth in East. Oh, so now the regular season is the standard.
They even went play on. Even your shiny finals appearance was born out of the plan that standard is tenth. One of their shiny finals appearances.
Also, they never had a shot in either one of these finals they were never in the past.
They didn't have to say that about the public.
That is not true.
Oh, we're going to just say, oh, because Goran, Draugish's ankle and bam, bam, bam, bam was
out of it. And we were a game away from a game away, all right. Okay.
“Well, there was also, what about the Denver series?”
And a funky. It's also kind of funky. He wore a head with under, it's with under a minute to play a game five on the road. We're coming back to Miami for game six. Fulls gold is a thing.
Fulls gold is a thing in sports. Just got a box out. Bruce Brown. One time. I bet you the Cincinnati Bengals thought that they were going to be running stuff in the
AFC. And then things, things happen. The Patriots feel today like a failure. They're not.
I'd kill for that roster construction, a superstar that I know is going to keep me relevant
for 10 years and get me one of those lottery tickets. Yeah, this is not the Patriots. It's a Patriots in that they used to be a regular part of the conversation. Patriots went away. They got bad and they built their, they totally reshape their roster and brought in some
new blood. Yeah. Maybe they should be the Patriots because the Patriots had built Bellachek. Someone who won plenty over there and wasn't living up to his own standard. And they brought in some new faces and look where they are now.
Second place. Over the course of the weekend, I don't know how you guys received this news because some of this stuff, obviously in sports, no matter how securely you think you built something, it can be undone by something like the health of Chris Bosch. So I saw this weekend that Chris Bosch mentioned that he just woke up in his own blood.
And that it was a life or death circumstance.
“I think I can make the argument on behalf of what Chris Bosch's game is that if he had”
stayed healthy, he'd still be out there shooting jumpers from the perimeter. I don't know how, maybe he's a little too old for that. But he could have been playing like many of the last 10 years. He could have still been playing as the centerpiece of this team. And I believe would have been better than any of the players that they have if he had
stayed healthy over those 10 years. He'd been on that team and still effective when Jimmy Butler was here. Like that didn't fun, you know. I mean, he would have been better than Jimmy Butler. I think he's a better player than Jimmy Butler is even though he's one of the few had
zero as a great player, zero points in a game. And again, 70 because, because LeBron and Dwayne got all all the usage rate. I, when you think of Chris Bosch and excellence, like in the history of the Miami Heat, where do you place him because I think he's better than Jimmy Butler and I think he's better than BAM and I think he, and it's no slight on either Jimmy Butler or BAM.
Where do you put him in the Pantheon of greatest heat players there have ever been? It's certainly better than BAM. I don't know that I would say he's better than Jimmy. So I think with Bosch, we're talking, we're talking top six or seven. The reason I say he's better than Jimmy is because I saw what he was doing solo with Toronto
finishing as an eight seed and he too could have put up 40 and 50 points a game if he was getting all the ball handling the way that Jimmy was getting the ball and would have been an unstoppable thing as the primary number one, but they would have been a seven or an eight seed. Yeah, but like what Jimmy did in the playoffs, you know, that Milwaukee series and certainly in the finals against the Lakers, like we already established Bosch, the playoffs don't matter.
The regular season was where it's at.
“Like I think people may not want to hear it today, all right, but like Jimmy's ahead of Chris Bosch.”
I don't know if Chris Bosch. Yeah, he's, I think he's even outside of that Tim Hardaway Lanzo morning. Shack run. He's definitely behind a Lanzo. Yeah.
Is he behind Tim Hardaway? I think he's above Tim Hardaway. Kill across over. Thank you nailed it, it's like six. It's like six sets.
That's where we are with this basketball team. Rushmore season. That's where you're at. Well, what happened to you? So the Houston, you went.
You beat Houston by 10 and going from you with Kevin Durant. Don't let him on. What didn't Jeremy announced last week after their two losses did he say before? Yeah, before I said, don't let the heat win too, or I'm going to be really in one jump. And they didn't.
And then they lost both games and I said, hey, my bad, I won't do that anymore. And then they beat Houston on Saturday. I'm all the way back in. Roodle performance. I'm citing pace defensive rating.
Oh, man. We have two and a row against the nets, right? You're going to say it. They went a couple there. One 15 games.
Well, I think I'm not sure. Don't let me win. Don't let me win. Don't let me win. Don't let me win.
Okay. It gives wrong facts. That was a rough one.
They're not first, but second and defensive rating by a percentage point.
My bad. Also, you saying, first and the league in points per game, when they're 15, then offensive rating is really, really busy. Paters, Trista, pace, matters, different team from last year, guys. Totally different.
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