The Big Suey: The Frozen Olaf

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- In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. - I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

- I've done it. - And now, here's the marching men to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. - This episode of The Day of Levitard Show is presented by draft Kings.

Draft Kings, the crown is yours. - Chris has a young child and he is at home

with her, Roy and Tony and Mike have young children.

“So can you guys get for me that video that I believe”

will be traumatizing two children of a certain age, but I'm not familiar enough with what are the ages that would get traumatized by something like this. I'm thinking Tony is your daughter, old enough to-- - My daughter's for 15 months tomorrow,

so she wouldn't give a rat to us about that. - Okay, so Roy would Claire be upset by this video, Olaf from Frozen here, if she is a fan of Frozen, as I imagine most kids are, play this video of Olaf and for the audio audience.

Let's let you know that it's a robotic Olaf, it seems to be talking, and then a heart attack, as far as I could tell, just total-- - When I'm bollier. - And then all of a sudden, the carrot knows falls off

in a way that I would believe to be the greatest of the trauma, but the thing that's jarring about it is the instant paralysis because it's moving like a robot, it's moving like it's animated, and then it freezes and it's seizure. It's clear seizure there, and then falls over

with the clacking sound, falls on its back, and that is, and then it's no falls off. - It's met with yells and gas. - I mean, how could it not be, it's horrifying. - It's the eyes for me, it's the fact that it's talking,

it's moving its arms, it's looking at people, and then suddenly, eyes freeze, fall backwards. - Hey, Frozen.

“- Frozen is, yes, Olaf, that's how you would explain it”

to the child, correct? Don't worry, it's just Olaf was frozen, and you're not gonna say heart attack, seizure, you're not gonna, you're not bollier, you're not gonna, you're gonna say, what are you gonna say

about the carrot nose, because for those of you do not know, Frozen, and can't see the video, Olaf is just the sort of stereotypical snowman where he's got a carrot for a nose,

and that's basically the whole snowman,

it's a couple of buttons, the snowman's real easy, in terms of taking care of fun stuff, it's second only to the stick, in terms of the least amount of things that you need in order to play with the stick

is in the Toy Hall of Fame, I should mention, you can't play that enough, please keep playing the sound, though, because Olaf, Olaf falling on his back, seizing, the plastic fun.

- It's just horrifying, so what age, what age do you have, a trauma that a child is gonna have nightmares, because it sounds like Mike and Roy, their daughters are too old, and it sounds like Tony's is too young to be traumatized by this.

- They get all the pins on the kid, then. It's like some kid, my kids, when they were on that age,

“they would have laughed, that's how they are,”

they would have just cackled laughing, but clearly from this video I could hear someone in the back of the, like, "Hillysie, it's Jarring." It really is, I went settled by it. - It's unsettling no matter what, it really is.

- What is the most unsettling part? - Because I'm gonna say it's the carrot being five feet beyond the head after the screaming clocking sound, and, you know, kids being whisked away. The thing that's greatest about it, though, is,

the mouth is moving, and then when the seizure strikes, it is clear to all involve that this is now an inanimate object, and something is deeply wrong, but when the mouth stops moving, you notice, you notice the seizure in its face.

- Yeah, I think the dismemberment, the loss of the nose is what really gets me. I'm trying to picture explaining that to my granddaughter, it's like explaining why a Santa Claus holding a bottle of a scotch, it's just Jarring, you know, it's Jarring.

Even if you, like, my eight-year-old granddaughter, she looks at that, she realizes that's a robot. She's like, that's not a real snowman, but it's still Jarring, it's still unsettling. I would be the one gasping in the background,

if I were watching that live. - It does look, though, when you watch the video, like the NFL trainers, when someone is concussed, like getting down on one knee right there, and just checking in and asking if you're not touching.

- Okay.

we go down, we get one knee, and we look at them, okay. - All right, are they doing okay? - One knee, look, how are we doing? - Okay, now you can go in and help,

and of course, the second person that comes in grabbing

all off by the crotch is an exactly wonderful either, it's not a great look.

“- I think it would've been funny if they would've started”

applying CPR, that would've been just an added touch that would've been really special. - Who knew the nose was so lightly put on the face, right? - I feel like everyone knows that with a snowman, if in the most authentic snowman do not have mechanical parts,

they don't have to be like a restricted, the carrot in their nice, you know? - You're right, it should have some roots and some depth. I think that Greg's got the analogy wrong, though,

it's not Santa holding a bottle of scotch. It's Santa holding a severed human head. It's something, the dismemberment, you speak of, that has the carrot nose, seven feet in the background, as paramedics, one of them dressed as a gesture of some sort,

paramedics tend to tend to the snowman, that is quality video, keep it behind Tony, the right of the snowman. - I would've say gesture, I'd say part of the King's court. - Thank you for doing that.

- That's just, you know, implies the little hat, and he spells and whatnot. - He's more like a Duke in the court. - I am an Earl of some sort. - No, no, no, no, no, no.

“- Are we sure he's not one of the princes in Frozen?”

- Could be a Frankie might be a Prince. - What's there of Prince at Frozen? - Yes, not the hero, though. - There was Sven, who was like the hero, who was walking around with the reindeer that we talked.

The Prince was actually the bad guy, spoiler alert. - Yeah, that was quite the love of an R, Prince at Denmark. - Isn't that kind of a Disney stereotype

that the Prince is always impossibly good looking,

but also arrogant and-- - Sometimes, sometimes. - Sometimes, they turn this around on a tag, sleeping beauty. - Or you want us in Kisses or Wicks or Up?

- You want to believe in the love story, even though it moves way too quickly. And then, they pull the rug out from under you. And like, oh, that's actually the bad guy, the entire time. - Also, how could you not be arrogant?

If your name was literally Prince Charming? Oh, I was like, it was meant to be. (laughing) - I can't believe that Roy did not tell me. I learned this from a friend of mine

who used to be someone who ran the Vegas night, and he was explaining to me that he liked the recent higher that the Vegas nights had made. - Hit it to the United States of Tolera! - He's back.

He's a jerk. And people like that as their coach. And I wanted to ask the rest of you why that is, because I was making fun of my friend. I was like, you would not want Tolera as your boss.

- Hit it to the United States of Tolera! - Why do you want your players? People you ostensibly care about to have this bully in charge. - Hit it to the United States of Tolera! - I'm curious Roy's thoughts here,

because Bruce Cassidy was a hard ass, right? Usually, when the players during the Vegas nights have had a terrible season for them, they're still in playoff position, because they're benefiting from a weak division,

but they're not beating bad teams.

It seems as though Cassidy's act is finally one thin.

- Yeah, they tuned them out last year, and now this is the final choice. It's just interesting to them doing it with eight games left. - Right, but usually when you replace the hard ass, you go players' coach.

You don't go from hard ass to harder ass. (laughing) - Can you guys find for me why it is that it's a hard ass, why someone who we all know what you're saying there, but I'm not totally sure why we all know

what it is that you're saying. - And we can be all love a soft ass. - Somebody who's a hard ass toward a rally in hockey circles, where is he, how close is he to the top of the list

“on, guy you bring in if you want to just kick your teams ass.”

Somebody that nobody's gonna like, and maybe he motivates them, maybe he doesn't. This look man, the Dallas stars did this with Hitchcock. There are any number of teams that love doing this with the guy who's unreasonable,

but toward a rally is the top of the list, is he now? - Yeah, the guy that he replaces, I actually kind of up there. Burrubies another guy, which that didn't work out for the Leafs at all,

but yeah, there are a couple of these old school hard asses, say it works if you have an undisciplined team and you come in, coach Q is another guy that has considered a bit of a hard ass and Anaheim's had a lot of success this year.

- When you guys say that though, it's a large umbrella, right? If I told you guys any of you that coming into tomorrow to straighten out our outfit is somebody who's got a little bit of military sergeant

and him and is known throughout the industry as a hard ass. Nobody here would want it, correct? There's not a person here who would want it for themselves no matter how sloppy and disorganized we are,

who would want to know that the boss coming in is a hard ass. Nobody's gonna say, oh, I think the company needs it, I think we need it. - This is team number five,

where John told a rally since he left Tampa in 2013. - Then, I'm gonna disagree, man, because there are a lot of athletes

Drey Montgomery is a great example.

Steve Kerr, when he first started coaching,

he's like, I don't know how to get through to the guy. He called Tomizzo, Tomizzo said, oh, he just wants you to cut him out. That's how he wants you to coach him. And so whenever we see Steve Kerr,

Drey Montgomery knows to know he's yelling each other yelling and shouting us up. A lot of people are like, ooh, trouble and paradise. Like, no, that Steve Kerr just adjusting his leadership style to apply to a guy who responds best

to that kind of coaching. - They didn't do the United States of Toronto, Rela.

“- I think in general though, you want the medium ass.”

You know, you don't want the drill sergeant over here. And you don't want the soft players coach over here. You want the guy who kind of combines both elements, the medium ass. I just invented that phrase.

- I don't like that phrase a lot, Greg.

I think Paul Maurice kind of ventures into medium ass.

- I think he does too. I think that's a good thing. - Well, in professional football, who's a medium ass? Okay, because we were talking about this the other day when it came to, I don't even remember

what we were talking about. Players coach, oh, that we were talking about somebody ripping McDaniel, Rahim Mostert ripping McDaniel because he was saying he was too much of a player's coach. Andy Reed, to me, I think he is soft ass.

I don't think soft ass, medium ass. - Soft ass players coach, I think the perfect medium ass and the NFL's Mike Frable. Because he comes from that bill a check treat. - You don't think that's a hard ass, I know.

- No, because his players adore him because he's not too far removed from playing too. - Sometimes it's hard ass and his players adore him. You can be, I mean, his point is to correct one in that some of these environments are vastly different

than our environment, a creative environment can be sensitive, can be fragile, players, some players do appreciate. And when they get out of the real world, they don't like that the real world is less honest than the locker room. They don't like that people won't just criticize them

because you're not growing and learning unless you're having things around you that prod you into a better place. But I do think that that can be done with kid gloves as much as with, you know, iron fit. - Creatives hate the hard ass.

It's why anytime there's a hard ass involved in the talk show circuit, someone on the staff runs the vanity fair and can't wait to complain and air all the dirty laundry. - Hey, Roy, buddy, you know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody all together.

Immunison knows to stand up on their feet. - Oh, absolutely, Mike. - Yeah, you've been at many big-time sporting events. You know that moment quite well.

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- Don Lepatard. - Quiet man, I'm married man. I don't cheat on my wife, despite that gratuitous line in back and night. - Two guts.

- I wish you were here in my wife, I really miss her. - No, I don't. That's the thing about being married. You're not allowed to say, I don't miss my wife. I've been gone two days.

I've been gone long enough to miss my wife. I'm sorry. I call her. I'm just sitting with her for 30 seconds. You know what am I saying?

- No, all right, we'll see ya. All right, and then I'm gonna see her in two days. I was jumping Charlie Good. - This is the Don Lepatard show with his two guts. (upbeat music)

- Media match, I'm a thing.

Like, I think there is a version of coach in these sports who has realized that generationally, there have to be multiple ways to reach a 20 year old, not everyone is dream on green.

“You have to do it individual to individual.”

But I do think someone like McVay wouldn't puff out his chest about I'm leader, I'm in charge. He would view himself as an ally. My job here, did you guys see what happened

with the management of the 49ers as it relates to IUQ where Shenahan's like, and John Lynch, both like that's it. He's played his final game here and the owner wanders over, he's like,

"Oh, Donna, second, talented players are hard to get.

He might still have some value and now he's publicly saying something different. The coach has to be an ally to some of these guys and Shenahan is fed up because he's like, I can't reach this guy.

I physically can't reach him. I can't get him on the phone to find out if he's gonna show up for work and that is something that I can't trust in my environment. But the owner doesn't have to deal with that.

The owner says my job is just to create a place where I'm putting a bunch of good football players in a room and then we create the organization that serves those football players so that they become better football players.

- To me, I mean, this whole organization is dying for like a Pablo treatment. I'm so fascinated by the San Francisco 49ers and have been for years because I dating back to his coordinator days when he was in Cleveland

and seemed like he was the only guy that knew what he was doing over there. Kyle Shanahan to me is like cream of the crop. But they have all these injuries. There's this electrical substation.

The Iuc thing is weird. They seem to have great leadership with John Lynch.

They're always right there, but they can't win the big one.

They have like guys that George Kittal Hall of Famer, Fred Warner, Hall of Famer and they're trying to do this with Mr. irrelevant at quarterback. It's a fascinating thing. - William's Hall of Famer, McAfrey Hall of Famer.

- Yeah, I mean, exciting whites all around the field. It's a fascinating team. - Put it on the pole at Levitard Show, do the San Francisco 49ers lead the league in exciting whites. The Brandon Iuc situation is a really unusual one.

A guy gets his guaranteed money and then just stops showing up and becomes such a problem that they take his guaranteed money, which is not something or they're trying to take his guaranteed money. You're not allowed to take the guaranteed money

unless someone's behavior is egregious.

You wouldn't even think to do that because of the harm it would bring you with future guaranteed contracts because you're now the organization that takes back guaranteed money.

I, to Mike's point about wanting to know the ins and outs of that organization, I wish one of these insiders would explain to us exactly what the breaking points have been there that make Brandon Iuc think it's okay

to just stop showing up for anything at work after you've got your guaranteed money. The jobs, let's transition here to Jade and Ivy because I want to talk about how rare it is to get

“and have these jobs and what you have to do to lose them”

because at this point the Chicago Bulls could put anybody in a uniform. So going into free agency as Jade and Ivy is sitting on the bench, getting waived for an assortment of commentary some of it anti-gay but all of it filed under religious beliefs

and religious beliefs that are more ardent than they were in his previous stops where the reporting is that many bulls players and management were getting tired of his sermonizing and preaching. But while he's away from the team for conduct

detrimental to the team, he's doing an assortment of live streams where he's feeling a very strong need to tell everybody not only about his religion, not his just his depression, not just his love of apopy, not just his opinions on abortion, but specifically

anti-gay commentary filed under the Bible and what he called unrighteousness and he's saying, what conduct did I do that's detrimental to the team? No, this is what he's saying, though, he's like,

“how did I harm the team by having a religious conviction?”

Now, we can in this particular group of people because of what it is that we do around here. This is not an echo chamber. We're super easy to just cast at a scolding tone here at J. Nivey, but there are many people in America

who would say that J. Nivey's conduct isn't detrimental to the team that he's being persecuted because of his religious beliefs.

“That's what they will say, that is the framing”

of whoever it is that's going to now support J. Nivey's who it is, and what number of people like he can become a figure now from sports who was too hot for sports because he's too busy telling the truth and sports can't handle it within the silos

that people are now politically religiously based on gender based on sexuality. This is a move that hard harms him with the Chicago bulls, but doesn't necessarily harm him with his base. What base?

What base? People who believe that homosexuality is wrong because in the Bible, you believe what it is that you believe about sexuality and immoralities. He's calling it unrighteousness. There are many people who believe this.

Then many people believe this.

I guarantee almost all of them have never heard of J. Nivey.

And this is, all right, guys, this is when we got to put on our big boy pants because I'm going to be a little too blunt and direct here. He's not good enough to have a controversial opinion of any sort in any direction.

So you say this has got him out of the favor of the Chicago bulls. But he's done with the NBA forever. You're not good enough to have that kind of a scandal in terms of things that you're saying again in any direction and still come back to work the next day

like George Constanza saying, I didn't know there was anything wrong with that. - Yeah, public support of his beliefs is not a smart business model for any sports franchise in America, even in these divided times.

But I want to endorse what Amine was just saying, top five pick. And this is not a small sample.

“He's been in the league now, five or six years, I think.”

Top five pick hasn't quite paned out. hasn't quite paned out, plus those beliefs. This is a business decision. If he had paned out as a top five pick and they were intended to resign him and extend him,

they would allow him to do the apology tour. They would not have waited. - Yes, if he were good, there would be a different set of rules. This would actually be a more interesting conversation if a team was being tested along its ethical lines

by somebody who was good enough to cross over into this barrier and keep their job. The easiest move for the bulls is get out of here. It does not matter who's in our uniforms. We don't need this in our uniform.

But when you say he's not good enough, neither's in his canter and he turned it into a post basketball career waving around that he was blackballed by the league and to honest for the league. - In his canter, first of all, had compared to this kid

how Hall of Fame career.

“Let's like night and day as far as someone who was accomplished”

on a basketball court. In his canter also had an on-ramp because of real persecution that his family was going through back in Turkey.

The problem is, in his canter was, in my estimation,

a guy who liked to hear the crowd cheer. And so what he chased was the cheers. So as he heard right wing kind of conservative media and say this guy's son, how it is, he's like, what else do they like to talk about?

China and the like, then LeBron's a friend of China and like, yeah, and then, and also like, and he just kind of was chasing cheers. Again, in his canter, another example of this canter freedom. - Sorry, in his canter.

- And it should be noted, been quiet lately, to a means point. The thing that he also realizes at some point, this is the opportunity cost that every organization makes. How good is he?

Meaning, can I get someone who maybe not be quite as good, but maybe a little bit less is good, but also doesn't come with any of the bullshit antics, then I'll go with that option. - This is a place that people end up all the time.

So give me the tipping point. Give me the guy who's worth this. Where's the line on argument where,

because this always becomes the talking point,

always in the face of these conversations. Oh, they wouldn't have done that to guy who was better, or they would have punished more severely guy who was worse. We can all agree that Chicago Bulls are not trying. He's about to become a free agent.

Like, this is disastrous, as a business move, disastrous, because I mean, just said, he talked himself out of the link. He was objecting to pride nights, but this is like, he'd fit right in and hockey. Hey, not saying that.

Hey, Dan, if he were the equivalent level talent as he is in the NBA over in hockey, and had that Instagram live, he'd be waived to just not a sport in America, where this dude at his talent level

would still be on a roster today, not a sport.

is so about a top five pick only because, okay?

“In hockey, I've seen a whole lot of objecting to pride night,”

and I do understand how it is that people want their hatreds or their beliefs either expressed their way at sporting events, or not at all at sporting events, because they just don't want this with their sports.

They saw ESPN was being celebrated by shit stains coverage, because they've run all of the woke journalists out of ESPN. They have successfully done that. They have quietly done that, and it's at least in part because their focus group show,

that in protection of the business, it is wiser to get everybody the hell away from anything that resembles social commentary, and just throw all the money at live rights, and don't have any opinions that are not sports opinions,

anywhere on your sports network, that side has won, and it has pushed over the worldwide leader, so that the worldwide leader is now embracing the climate of the moment by avoiding all of this stuff. Jeremy, where do I have it wrong on hockey and saying

that hockey is permeated with a whole lot of people mumbling under their breath about feeling like some of this stuff shouldn't be near the ice? - Because there is a difference between feeling like you are being forced to celebrate the LGBTQ community

when that doesn't line up with your beliefs, and publicly demonizing that group, railing against them, publicly calling them sinners,

“and I believe there was another term in there”

that was unrighteous. That is a different thing than saying, "Hey, I don't wanna wear the rainbow uniform." Those are two different things, and it's important to draw those distinctions.

(upbeat music) - Then, a couple of things. Number one, what Jeremy is saying is articulating is the NHL players or the other athletes who have spoken out. It's usually in a kind of a measured tone,

"Hey, I don't this does represent my beliefs, whatever." This dude was ranting and raving. By the way, beyond that, he also said Catholicism is a fake religion. He also said Steph Curry is a fake Christian. Oh, it just 'cause he wrote Philippians, whatever, whatever.

Doesn't mean he's right just in the eyes of God. And he is just, (humming) like a looty-tunes character talking. These are not the words of a rational human being

“regardless of how a hateful his speech is or is it?”

- And this has been percolating for quite some time.

The reports that he's basically harassing teammates

with his opinions, being very preachy, not worth it. I do want to clean up some of the hockey stuff 'cause I don't think it's fair to even mention them because what Jeremy says is absolutely right. You don't have anyone that outspoken really in hockey,

the way that Ivy was. And also, you don't have the kind of support in the NBA that you've seen from stars like Connor McDabe and Matthew Kachuk when it comes to these pride nights and rainbow tape and whatnot.

- We had the conversation a couple of days ago about Puka Nakua and his mental health and Antonio Brown and what that sport does to people's brains. And obviously, in basketball, we're not having that same conversation

'cause it's not the same physicality level. But when I see what Jayden Ivy does on his Instagram live,

like, it takes me back for a second 'cause I'm like,

"Man, is it an episode that he's having "that he's using stuff that he's learned "and stuff that he's converted to Christianity?" And now that's kind of blending the two worlds together in the midst of an episode.

That's something that I look at. I'm like, I see people on the street homeless people ranting and raving in the same fashion and we just walk by them and don't really pay much attention to them.

- And you're not taking liberties because Ivy's been upfront about his battles with depression and his own mental strife. - There's a huge difference between having a belief that is unpopular and getting on a soapbox

and espousing that belief at the expense of your team's reputation. And that's where Jayden Ivy crossed the line. If he's a particularly religious person who hides behind the shield of his religion

to be anti-gay, that's his belief and he's entitled to it but you don't have to espouse it. You don't have to come the public face of bigotry and prejudice.

- Let me stop everyone here for just a second

because what Tony said about an episode I will tell you that I've had all my thinking on this changed almost entirely by the experience that I had with my brother at the end where he had the cancer had gotten to his brain

and there were things happening with episodes that I simply didn't recognize. Okay, I had to go in on behalf of our family

Because everyone asked me to go in and say,

Dan, please go talk to your brother

“and tell him that no one can say anything to him,”

that there's nothing that can be said to him that's not met with an objection. I did that and my brother didn't talk to me for more than a year. What Tony is saying about episodes

and when a guy is going crazy, it's easy to do with Charlie Sheen and Kanye and some people are as we mentioned with Puka. Some people are just assholes so it can't be filed under,

well what's going on over here? Is he actually going a little bit crazy? But when you mention an episode, I cannot tell you how ill-equipped sports is to deal with any of this.

They only have to deal with it if the player's good enough to force you to deal with it. But I don't know what happened with John Moran and when behavior is so crazy, like sometimes it's Antonio Brown

and you're like, okay, I'm comfortable doing this

“but these are just the incidents that spill into public”

in the case of Ivy. This is what he's chosen to share with us but he believes he's being wronged here. Like be clear on this. He believes he's right and no one can tell him anything

'cause he thinks he's talking to God about it. - So then this kind of reminds me a little bit of the conversation we had yesterday about Tiger Woods and the idea of expectation and feeling the meat expectation

and what that can do to someone who's centered

their entire identity around being something amazing.

And Tiger Woods case, you said, you think, number two's good enough. He said, probably not. He probably thinks that one to me to be number one and I failed and some of that stuff manifests

in how he handles things again. We're not making excuses for any kind of behavior. We're just trying to explain it. So say they were Jay and Ivy.

“If you were a top five pick, like Greg said,”

and you didn't pan out, like that's gotta be some real mind if that's happening upstairs and then you partner that breaking of your brain with whatever kind of discovery of religion which a lot of people turn to in times of darkness

and then it depends on who is introducing you to religion because those people will emphasize certain things like it. It could have fallen with the right crowd so to speak and it was about loving one another and all this stuff, instead you probably failed with someone

and was like, look at the way they walk in this league of a sin in left and right and they've got their pride nights and this man over here is definitely a man of God but he's cousin more than anybody else. Like all of that stuff is a weak brain

that has been infiltrated with whatever manipulative message has come to it. It's not on life and I know this is gonna make people go crazy but when you talk about what turns people in certain parts of the world, into, you know,

the people suicide bombers or whatever. It's that, it's like a broken brain, a broken, like psyche and then the person that you turn to for guidance, for help, for support, for direction. It's someone who does not have a positive message

and that influence can turn someone who otherwise wouldn't be a regular person or down the world person into an extremist. - I wasn't terribly comfortable, even though I understand it with some of the pop psychology

we were doing on Tiger Woods when we talk about some of this stuff that isn't excusing behavior but is attempting to explain the behavior.

The reason that I have never tried cocaine

is because I know where it is, I'm addictive and I am compulsive and I do not want to enter into one choice I make that then affects all other choices after that because now I don't have control over something. Do you believe in the case of Tiger Woods

giving the specifics of what it is that he had to sculpt to be great, right? The loneliness of golf, the meticulous attention to detail. Wouldn't you think that that is someone who's sort of predisposed to obsessive, compulsive patterning?

We are all a product of our learning, our environments, our experiences, our influences, all of this stuff. Would you not think that a personality type that had to do whatever Tiger Woods had to do in order to be great would be someone who would be predisposed

to being at the very least obsessive compulsive? Yes, especially knowing everything we now know about his father and their relationship. Tiger Woods, this is worth remembering. Tiger Woods for about a five or seven-year period

was so good that you could bet the field or Tiger Woods and a lot of people would bet Tiger Woods over the field that he was going to win that tournament and he did more than just win and win and win majors. He revolutionized the sport.

But that was what was expected by his father. That was what was expected. That was -- and so he wasn't --

The first major article on Tiger Woods was how his father was going

to turn him into a God. The first thing written when he was a teenager and then much of those things ended up coming true. Yeah, and so following just short of Jack Nicholas on the all-time major table was not good enough for Tiger.

And it still isn't. And now he's turned 50 and he's got demons. So what do you think the audience is feeling as we talk about this? Is it for the wrongdoing, right?

For the crowd that says, "Hey, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, show me what a man looks like, and man up. Don't talk to me about weaknesses of a fragile brain damaged by manic episodes. Don't talk to me about the weaknesses of addiction.

Will your way beyond these things and behave like a professional?"

“I think the audience probably has fatigue, honestly,”

because this is the way that this is playing out is super predictable. It's entering the political sphere and you're just consumed

by the same stuff that you're always consumed

by in this weird culture war. It's just weird. The sports are the ultimate meritocracy, right? Cappernick is invoked so often because Cappernick made it to a super bowl and it was very clearly blackballed.

Not everybody is under a Colin Cappernick light plight. Enis came to freedom, wasn't? And certainly this bust of a draft pick isn't. For all the DEI projection, it's exactly that, projection. Because this guy is flatly just not good enough to be in the league

on his own merit, and when you add the fact that he's making everybody in the office uncomfortable and is having really unpredictable episodes on social media and in the workplace, this is an easy decision. I'm gonna tell you right now, as a guy who's been in locker rooms,

nobody wants to like, the matter even if I agree with you on your religious takes, nobody likes that guy. Nobody likes that guy, I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. And so one of the things like, they said contradict you do that on purpose, Jesus Christ.

Condrag detrimental to the teams, like, oh, ask my teammates. My teammates all love me, whatever I'm like, I mean, they can like you, but they can also be sick and tired of you coming around and tying the talk this stuff over and over. To be fair, he did break his leg last year and has been rehabbing

and trying to get back to it's like that points to a physical situation where he hasn't been his best. - I mean, saying that a top five pick, who's been in the league

“five years, which would put him at roughly his prime, right?”

He's not an old player. He's not 30 yet, correct? - 24. - 24 someone. - He could sell off a good career in Europe.

- So, but I mean, saying this is a death sentence. I mean, I'm saying this is not, this will not return to basketball that he just, that right before heading into free agency.

He just sealed his fate as he will never work in the league again.

- I think there's a couple of things there. Number one is like I said, basketball wise was not shown enough to be good enough. He had a good year or so in Detroit. He's been a very injury prone player in his career.

Number two, again, this is some wild over the board stuff. Like I said, we're focusing on the anti LGBTQ, but again, he called out Steph Curry, he called out LeBron James, he called out the religion of Catholicism. Like he's sprayed across a wide map of all different targets

and groups of people were going to be pretty upset. Number three, Dan, like we've all pointed out, he does not seem to be of sound mind.

“Like, and that's why we should be number one.”

It's like I can't bring someone into my locker room who does not have it all there. There's a level of kind of wild card we'll deal with. And then there's a point where it's like, no, this guy can do anything.

This guy, whenever you have someone who's invoking God like that in the way and saying that his mission is to spread and all that stuff, it's like, yo man, I'll tell you, the next thing that comes up usually is violence because when people don't wanna come along with you on that ride,

it's like, hey, I'm gonna force you on that ride with me. You can't trust a guy like that. And so for that reason, he won't play here. I don't even know if he'll play, Mike made a joke about him. Maybe playing in Europe, I don't know if he'll play there.

- His mom is also the coach at Notre Dame. - Yeah, like that part is what's crazy about this, but the anti-catholic takes her. - Yeah, stranger now. - That's what I'm saying.

This is someone who is clearly mentally ill and using Christianity as a muse for his mentally ill ramblings because you have someone here who is using the Bible in a way. It's not intended to be used.

Like, I'm a Jewish person, but from what I understand about Christianity, there's a lot more time spent on poverty and greed and things like that than the bear mentions of homosexuality within the Bible. And yes, some people are gonna use that

as it means to then go ahead and be homophobic, but it's really just punching down on a marginalized people.

to see it all happen through the musings of someone

who is mentally ill, it's no different

“than someone who grasps onto QAnon or anything else.”

It's using something as a mask for your mentally ill ramblings.

- Okay, but while he suffers from depression,

you do understand, right? Why we get no closer to a bridge on this stuff.

“When he's saying these are my religious beliefs.”

This is who I am.

This is my relationship with God.

This is how I think about gay people and you dismiss that, which he thinks is reasonable as mentally ill, right? - But that's because that is like

“flatly not the tenant of the religion on its own.”

Like people who use Christianity or Judaism or Islam or anything to rail against a certain group of people are not following the tenants of said religion. - Right, but that doesn't make them necessarily mentally ill. I'm willing to explore the idea of this being an episode.

I'm not willing to say flatly that this is mental illness. - I can't say anything flatly these days. I feel comfortable calling this race when you consider all the behavior for such a long time. Dan, some people are worth the discourse.

And some people are just a crazy guy outside of ultra telling you you're going to go to hell. Nobody likes that guy.