Most Replayed Moment: The Hidden Organ That Controls Exactly How You Age!

You talk there about not sitting, you know, you said, "Waited vests."

Yeah. Are there anything else that we can do that might help us build muscle mass without having to go to the gym? Yes. What are the key things you think about there?

If you can take a call, walking or rocking, you can load up weight. It is extremely easy to do and you can do it slowly, whether you start with 7 pounds. I have a 5 pound weight vest, I have a 7 pound weight vest, 20 and then from there you can load up weight. So you can build up over time.

People should be doing that. It is effective and easy. Everyone can do that. People are taking calls you don't have to do zoom call. Why not get on the phone, get moving.

Human body will like to sit, right, as opposed to be forced to move. But you become, it's almost like a road activity. If you are someone who is sedentary, it becomes easier to become sedentary in stay sedentary. It requires friction to change. You can mitigate some of that friction by incorporating movement into your life.

For example, walking with a weight-advest easy, training with your kids. People will say, "I don't have time, I'm so busy, pick up your kids after school, we instead of go and play video games, we do a push-up challenge or a dance party in our favorite head of Texas Holden." The Poker game.

No, the dance.

“Have you ever seen this Beyonce main amazing song called Texas Holden?”

I thought she was talking about Poker. She might be, but there is a line dance associated with that. There are a million fun ways to do something. We just have become accustomed to doing less and will dance, we'll do whatever, push-ups, physical challenges, playing outside, get the nerve guns, whatever it is, easy.

I mean, it couldn't get easier than that. What you think a good goal is to have what kind of goal? Because I said this before, but there's a time in my life when my goals are very superficial, and they were like, "I'm good to date." What are the best kind of goals that we should set ourselves as a release to our health?

I don't think we should set goals. No goals. I think we should set standards. Okay. When you set a goal, you can either reach that goal or not.

But if you set a standard, then you will always keep your standard.

And that standard will allow you to reach a goal, but the standard won't change. For example, the standard is you wake up, and you set whatever that is you train every day. For me, I train three days a week, depending on how intense that training was. On Saturday, I might do a fourth day of training, and on Sunday, I'm going to tell you this, we do a group workout.

My standard is physical activity has defined moments, and that is my standard. Even if I'm traveling. I know exactly what that's going to be before I get to the hotel. That is a standard of physical activity. I don't have to think about a goal.

“I don't have to have a goal of, am I going to hit that or not?”

Because I know that those are things that I won't fall short of. My standard is my nutrition plan. I have between 110 to 120 grams of protein. I have between 110 to 120 grams of carbs. I know what that looks like.

That is my standard. I don't even get from that. What are you struggling with as it relates to your own advice? Sleep. You're struggling with sleep.

Yeah. Is that because of the two little kids or it's-- It is. Because I have to make a choice. Am I going to spend time uninterrupted and undivided with them?

Or am I going to do work? And my choice is, I spend time with them. And then when they go to sleep, I work another two to three hours. And I should probably do a better job. I know that eventually everything is going to get done.

But I set standards. Do you find it difficult?

Because people always talk about not being able to have everything

at once. This is what a lot of women have said to me. They said, there was a time where we were sold this dream that you could have everything. You can.

You can. I think so.

“Do you-- you must see a lot of excuses in people?”

Yeah. I do. Because it's hard to face the truth. And what's the truth? What is the truth?

The truth is, are you doing this? Or are you not doing this because of some kind of internal choice? There has to be some truth telling. And sometimes that truth is uncomfortable. Any-- you can get the job done.

But the thing that you want, the outcome that you want,

“the standard that you set, it can be done.”

It can be done. It's-- you tell yourself, you can't do it. I mean, I have a three and a five-year-old. Do you know what kind of chaos ensues in my house? You should come over.

And I guarantee you you will hold off having any kind of children for at least five years. But nothing is perfect. It can't ever-- everything cannot be curated. Do I still get my training in?

Do I still get my nutrition in? Am I anything special? I am not. But my discipline is. I am very disciplined.

Have you always been? Yes. A lot of people aren't-- and they haven't ever been. It's much more difficult to not be disciplined.

The reason I am disciplined is to be able to manage my life.

How do I get your discipline? You execute. You don't overthink it. There's nothing to think about. What do you want?

I want to be like you. No, what do you want? Where are you thought? I want to be like you. You would not be nearly as successful

if you were undisciplined. You have to be disciplined. I'm just trying to embody the audience. I'm just trying to-- I'm trying to think through all the bullshit that people tell themselves.

And we all tell ourselves bullshit in various aspects of our life. If we're not telling ourselves bullshit, as it relates to exercise, it's something else. It's our relationships. Totally.

And there's so many people struggle with personal responsibility. Because if I was to post-- if you were to post, or I was to post anything on my story, that you just said in the last sort of five minutes, there would be very fond of it.

Yeah, and there's a small group of-- So are they going to edit this out? So they don't welcome-- Oh, no, don't-- No, of course, no.

Send crazy people after me. No, we will. But it's like the what about tree gang. And the what about tree gang. You could say anything in the sea, but what about--

Totally. But what about-- I don't understand some people have legitimate-- Stephen exception--

“The truth is, it is very difficult to do what I do.”

I run three different businesses.

I take care of some of the most incredible humans on the planet.

I have my own podcast. I'm writing two more books. And I don't have full time help. I'm a mom. The one thing I don't find is I don't find excuses.

I figure out ways to get it done, because if it matters, you find ways to get it done. You know, if I were to say-- and this is an extreme example. But let's say I said to someone who--

I just made this up-- loved cupcakes. I said, if you eat another cupcake, then something catastrophic is going to happen to your dog. Do you think that they would ever touch another cupcake?

Not in a second, just like that. So the consequence is just not meaningful enough. When you find a meaningful consequence, and you understand the consequence of your actions in that moment, it becomes easy. And this goes towards saying about the discipline

and the wide part of that equation. You refer to it as consequence. Why does this matter to you is the central part of the equation? And deep in your head somewhere. There's your so clear on why this matters.

Yeah. Because you've seen the research, you've studied it. You've seen the consequence of that. I've seen the end result. Yeah.

I've seen the end result. At the end of the day, we are all health and age and death. These things, nobody's getting out of them. Like nobody.

So if I follow your protocols for the next 30 years-- yeah, then I'd be 60 years old. I'd be 61 years old. Can you describe to me what you think my life will look like it's as a 61-year-old?

I can. Versus if I just sit in this chair and eat processed foods and do zero resistance training for the next 30 years. Can you describe the two different Stevens? We'll call it, we'll call one, 7-3 Steve and we'll call one,

Dr. Lyon Steve. OK. Let's start with sedentary Steve. I will say you're 30. So right now, you're sedentary.

Alzheimer's disease is likely beginning. Cardiovascular disease is likely beginning. Right now at 30. That's right.

“Remember, these diseases that we believe”

are diseases of aging are at their core and at their root in part due to the health of skeletal muscle, the only organ system that you have direct voluntary control over. That's it.

I cannot say Steven. I want your heart to beat at 45-beast per minute. Go, I cannot control. You might be able to control your respiration, but you can't physically contract your diaphragm.

OK. Maybe. It's a muscle.

Skellal muscle is the only organ system

that you have voluntary control over. That's it.

“Now, if you decide to not hear what I am saying,”

then if you are someone who has a genetic propensity, maybe you have, I don't know, when you overeat, you get high triglycerides or you choose not to exercise. We will start to deteriorate your brain because contracting skeletal muscle is an endocrine organ.

Not only does exercise increase blood flow to your brain, I just wrote a narrative review with a colleague of mine, Louisa, Nikola, amazing. We looked at the influence of resistance training and brain function.

I cannot restore your brain, but I'd love to be able to prevent from the connections

to become weaker and weaker and weaker.

So you decide not to exercise. I can do nothing for your brain. Eventually, you might forget, I don't know, your neighbor's name, your kid's name, your, anything, what you did, any meaningful memory.

If we don't address your brain now,

“then the potential outcome is clear, right?”

Two thirds of Alzheimer's, the majority of dementia has Alzheimer's dementia, which plays a role in metabolic regulation. Type three diabetes of the brain. If your skeletal muscle is unhealthy, you are likely having not only skeletal muscle

insulin resistance, but brain insulin resistance, no such thing. You cannot be sedentary and be healthy. So that will begin now.

The other thing is your cardiovascular activity,

can help you there, not getting increase in blood flow, you're not moving your cardiovascular health, the way that it should, your lung capacity, your cardiovascular capacity. You're probably gonna be extremely winded walking upstairs.

It might take so much effort for you to get up. You might not even be able to fully stand up and sit down from your chair multiple times. You might struggle with that. If I said, Stephen, I need you to go

to grab something out of the car for me. You would probably say, "Oh, man." Hey, Doc, that's gonna take a lot of effort. I'm not sure, I'm not sure I could even grab that, I don't know, 15 pound grocery bag.

You likely have central obesity. Probably have sleep apnea, which means your further deteriorating both your brain and your metabolic health. I would just throw in there.

You haven't trained your entire life. Your testosterone is probably low. And maybe throughout your life's down, who knows, maybe you have challenges with fertility, because your sperm quality isn't as good

as it could have been if you were training and eating all. Are you convinced yet? - So there's a link between my fertility for men and women and my muscle mass. - There is a link between exercise,

training, metabolic health, and definitely fertility.

“I think we are going to see more and more literature”

come out on this, muscle mass infertility, as about the time you're six people definitely have more. - Is there a link between polycystic ovaries and joint muscle mass that you talk about and I think in chapter two?

- I do. There is insulin resistance. When you think about skeletal muscle and insulin resistance, skeletal muscle makes up 40% of your body weight.

Or so, depending for me, it might be less, for you it might be more. When skeletal muscle becomes insulin resistant, again, which means insulin is a peptide hormone that is released from the pancreas,

you require insulin to move glucose out of the bloodstream into cells. When you exercise, you do not require insulin to move blood glucose out of the bloodstream into skeletal muscle tissue.

It can be insulin independent. - Polycystic ovary and syndrome is multifactorial. There is a component of polycystic ovary and syndrome that is related to skeletal muscle insulin resistance. Once an individual manages your skeletal muscle mass,

again, there's a various number of reasons to why someone would have it, but in part, addressing skeletal muscle mass and skeletal muscle insulin resistance

in certain cases. I was reading it on the subject of PCOS and fertility. I was reading a study by Earth, which was done at Harvard that found that men who reported to frequently lift heavy weights

and objects at work had a 46% higher sperm concentration, and a 44% higher total sperm count compared to those with less physical jobs. So you're telling me if I want to up my sperm count and how it'll be? - And how?

- And how? - And health. - And sperm health. - Don't get lifting some weights. - Yes. - I was thinking about the 61-year-old guy that listens to Dr. Lyon's protocols.

- But also, let's say we didn't talk about what happened. If you listened. - Yeah, that was just what I was saying. So the guy that listened. So the 61-year-old Steve Butler,

that listens to your protocols. - Oh my god, like I said, beast. He's now taking over the world. Because does he have a six pack? - Of course he does.

- Really at 61? - Yes. - Is it possible? - Yes.

“What's the healthiest oldest person you've ever seen?”

- My dad. - Really? - Oh my gosh. He's 74. He could put on a little more muscle. - Yeah.

- His testosterone was like 800. He's not any hormone replacement. He has been following what I've been telling him. Unfortunately for him because I'm his daughter. He's been listening to this message.

I'm just sitting here with you. But we are talking about over 10 years of talking about this, of seeing this with patients and people. He has amazing hemoglobin A when C, fasting blood sugar, cholesterol is in check.

I mean, he is strong, he is capable. He's 74.

- What is the most important thing

that we haven't talked about, Dr. Lyon? - I would say that nobody's getting out of this alive. And it's all going to come down to choices. Choices for how we execute. Our present choices will determine our outcomes.

And it is not difficult, it's not complex. You have to prioritize skeletal muscle. This is the organ of longevity. With this physical framework comes mental strength. And what's most important about this

is in for us now. But this is great, you can do it. But it provides hope and an example for our children. That them, those people, the little ones, that is who I am truly worried about.

Because we have normalized, supercising everything, including ourselves. We have more electronics than ever before. We are more disconnected from people. People will say the internet has done a great job

at connecting face-to-face conversations. Connection is huge.

“The most important is our youth and how we raise them.”

And the messages that we give them because they are our responsibility. And if we cannot advocate for our own health, whatever those limitations are, whether it's personal or worthy,

it is our responsibility to do a much better job so that we not tell them, but we show them the way forward.

- And what's the most important subject

in your book that we haven't covered? - Forever strong, a new science-based strategy for aging well. How to reboot your body to burn fat, fight heart disease, reverse diabetes, stay sharp, build muscle and boost energy.

- I mean, we talked about dietary protein. We talked about how that potentially can be controversial for some people. We discussed carbohydrates, carbohydrates are earned through activity. If someone is metabolically unhealthy,

they have to understand that, potentially starting with 100 grams and titrating up or down,

“depending on their activity level is important.”

- How quickly do I lose muscle? - You, if you were in the ICU, you could lose 2% of your muscle mass in a day. - Oh, God, what? - You are in a highly catabolic state on bed rest.

You will lose muscle rapidly, depending on your age. Within seven days, you could lose, if you're young and healthy two pounds, of skeletal muscle mass.

- 'Cause I'm thinking, if I go to the gym today and I did my biceps and I really smashed it, how long before those gains were lost. - I would give you your lose strength and then mass. You will lose it rapidly.

Seven days of bed rest, you will lose it. - But it will return if you've been well trained.

And it will return faster the second time

than it did the first time, right? People talk about muscle memory a lot.

Yes, if you are well trained, will it return?

Yes. It also depends on how long you've been untrained for. It also will depend on how highly catabolic you are. For example, if someone had cancer, they're in a highly catabolic state,

their body is breaking down. Skeleton muscle mass will improve their survivability. If someone goes on bed rest, you will lose muscle mass and strength extremely rapidly.

“Now, will you able to re-return insulin sensitivity?”

Yes, if you decided to just begin basic activities of living and not exercising, you will not be able to recover that muscle. Getting out of the hospital, just doing basic things will not be enough.

And now as you can imagine, that happens to people. - I can imagine, yeah, I go through periods of my life for whatever reason I have to be a bit more sedentary. Things like filming TV shows, film the show called Dragons Dad,

where we basically sit in a room for 10 hours a day. It's like Shark Tank here. Whenever I go through that season of life, it's very difficult.

I always see this correlation between

how much activity I have I've been doing, and how much motivation I have. So if I've been sat down and not been exercising for a while, I find it harder to find the motivation to go again, and it's this kind of vicious downward spiral.

- One thing that we didn't talk about is how a skeletal muscle mass functions as an endocrine organ? - What's an endocrine order? - An endocrine organ is something

that produces hormones that act systemically locally and inter or there's an inter-organ connection. When you exercise based on intensity and duration, you release myocons. Myocons like inter-lucons six or inter-lucon 15.

These are what people typically think is cytokines that are released from inflammatory cells or macrophages. But when you contract skeletal muscle in a meaningful way,

based on the intensity and duration,

you release myocons from skeletal muscle that interface with your brain, they affect mood, they affect neurogenesis, it also affects your liver and your kidney. There's this inter-organ cross-talk.

You know, we talked about skeletal muscle about how important it is from a metabolic perspective as a body armor perspective, but also as this endocrine organ that can affect a mood

because of the components that it's releasing. And that is fascinating. It can counterbalance inflammation based on the activity, duration and intensity. - So that explains why if I've not been moving,

I don't feel as good in terms of motivation and I feel more fatigued when I've done the less exercise every long period of time. - I mean, yes. And it doesn't take much to maintain what you have.

For example, if you could during those days, do you have to be, so you're shooting for 10 hours, you don't have breaks? - We have lunch break.

“- You should be training on that lunch break.”

I don't care how tired you are. - I'm hungry. - Then you should eat in 10 minutes and get to training. - It's a good point and you're totally right. - Pushups, have a way to best, do whatever you have to.

You will feel exponentially better. And also, this is predictable. So here is an example. You know it's coming, right? You know that you'll be filming this for 10 hours a day.

- Yeah. - What is your strategy to execute in a way that is effective and meaningful? - And that's really it, isn't it? It's about forward planning.

- Yeah, you know it's coming, it's predictable. It's also predictable how you're gonna feel afterwards. And then you are going to have to count for how you feel and then you are going to have to deal with the repercussions of now not being motivated,

now having to address your diet. And now probably feeling a little bit more down than you would have. We totally know it's coming. - It's one of the big things I've just realized

as you were talking is, I don't schedule my workouts. So my workouts are kind of this residual, residual beneficiary. I either get whatever times left over in the day, which might mean last night it was super late.

It was almost at midnight. And then today I've got flight after this. So it's 10 hour flight, so it's like, but I could quite easily have the fortune and privilege of being able to ask my assistant to change something.

So I can say, well, you schedule everything else, also schedule an hour for me to train, but I think everyone could probably do that. I would want to have many people schedule their workouts. - Everybody who is, you show me your habits

and I will tell you how successful you will be able to continue to be in the long run. - You can probably look at someone's calendar and figure out what they're gonna like in 10 years time. - I definitely can.

But I will say that there's this privilege of youth and then there becomes a tipping point.

“- Yes, you should be scheduling those things.”

You can add, let's say you say to me, Gabrielle, I'm not gonna come to do it. You could schedule three days a week. You know that we're filming all day. You know that you're doing these things.

You set a standard for everything in here and everything else you do.

Nothing is going to be more critical

“for your impact than being able to manage your health.”

Because again, there comes a point in time where it's a very predictable turning point in flexion point. - If we get together again, I know.

So it was 30 years from now.

And I say to you, and you've been successful

“over the next 30 years, however you define that,”

what happened? - We've completely changed the conversation. We are no longer at nausea, I'm talking about obesity. That is a side component. We are focused on physical and mental strength.

We are focused on understanding that it is a muscle problem and a problem and a solution that we can do something about. Obesities and afterthought. - And personally.

- My kids have done amazing and they're happy

and adjusted and can withstand whatever comes their way. And my husband will be picking up his socks. - What you just listened to was a most replayed moment from a previous episode.

“If you want to listen to that full episode,”

I've linked it down below. Check the description. Thank you. (upbeat music)