Words Matter: Mary Trump: Donald is Losing it Fast

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in Washington, DC, and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world. Hello, and welcome to DSR's Words Matter. I am David Rothkoff, your referee here. And what we do each week is we look at what's going on in Washington

with the aid and insight of our friend, the guru of Washington, Norm Ornstein. But this week, in a special edition of Words Matter, we also have our friend, Mary Trump, who we like to hope will join us every so often and provide

her unique form of insight into what's going on with her uncle. Who-- I don't know. I mean, we blame a lot of the sins of our society and the parents of the people who lead. But maybe Mary deserves some of the brain.

What did you do? What did you do, Mary, to this guy? Because as far as I can tell, I'm just like an ordinary guy from New Jersey. He is like Mando, fucked up.

[LAUGHTER] Um, sadly, I don't think I've had much of a part to play in his deep, dark, quick slide into insanity. I mean, to the extent that he was ever said. But, and I just say this, because it's fun to say,

I did sell more books in one day than his first book sold

in three decades. So you also wrote it, which is a reaper. Right, that's it. Well, you've also read a book, which I can't say that he's done that either.

Yeah, well, under two. Well, let me turn to you and your professional capacity and then Norm can take this wherever he wants to go. But you know, you are trained in the psychological arts, not, you know, in addition to all of your other gifts.

“And I think the past couple of months, even since we've”

seen you last, have seen a precipitous decline in this guy's mental makeup. And it takes all sorts of forms he's lashing out. But he can't keep his eyes open, he can't focus on one thing. For too long, he disappears for long periods of time.

He says things that are, you know, truly bizarre. Sometimes scary, because there's ideas about the world or scary, sometimes they're just weird. Yesterday said, well, they left the Eiffel Tower. Maybe I should leave the Octagon in the backyard

of the White House up, you know, because that's like the Eiffel Tower, right? Yeah, I mean, UFC, Octagon. It's pretty much the same place. Yeah, it's pretty close.

And then he said, he had them put together a chart that shows that the reflecting pool is actually longer than many tall buildings are tall. Now, I have to tell you, I don't really get what he was getting out there.

But it's happening all the time. And so from a psychological perspective, or that of the concerned family member. And I know you're one of those. Let's go in the eye.

Well, I am concerned for us. Thanks, thank you. Now, a couple of quick things. All that's left is for him to put the White House up on cement blocks.

I think that's where we are at in the Trump regime.

I think it is important to note the distinction between

horizontal, length, and vertical height. Yeah, that's-- That's-- You know, you're making good points. You're obviously the black sheep in that family.

You've stuck-- Yeah, but somehow, somehow, there are still people in this country like, oh, you know, that's super normal. Well, because there are a lot of unintelligent people in the world.

And there are a lot of people who have authoritarian personalities and they are going to believe whatever dear leader says, even if it's utterly nonsensical.

“So David, I think what we're looking at right now”

is just a difference in degree, not kind. Dottled has been on this trajectory for a very long time, but there are some new things added to the mix. And we were approaching this perfect storm of the long-standing issues, his very severe untreated

undiagnosed psychiatric disorders. And more recently, his cognitive decline and his physical, most likely, age-related physical decline. That's also partially due to the fact that he's incredibly unhealthy person.

And adding on top of that, of course, the fact that he's not in control of the narrative anymore, because his incompetence is impossible to ignore. So his entire mission for most of his life has been to protect himself from the knowledge of who he really is.

And to continue to trick people into believing he's something he's not, which is to say a smart, competent person. And it's not working anymore.

“So I think that's partially why we see his significance”

of going out and doing double duty to talk him up and blame everything on Joe Biden. And that's not working either. But I think that's more just in service to helping Donald stay intact.

But again, he is incapable of rating himself in. And every time he fails, it's something which is many times a day now. He's going to keep lashing out. And he's going to keep losing a little bit more

of whatever small grip on sanity he's had. I also think it's really important to say, because I've heard others claim that Donald is different now. No, what I would suggest you is that the cognitive decline, the physical decline, are just revealing

who he's been all along. He was just better at hiding it. So my very brief follow-up before Norm gets to wherever he wants to take us is, do you conclude therefore that he is becoming more dangerous?

You know, some people, when they go into this kind of decline, end up just face down in their soup making bubbles. And but he's the president of the United States. And so it seems like a dangerous combination to me. But perhaps I'm overreacting.

But you're not overreacting, in fact, everybody should be deeply worried, right now. I'm pretty sure we've talked about this before. But Donald is a nihilist. And he can't imagine the world surviving him.

And if he feels like he's not going to come through this, if he feels like he's going to go down, he will try to take everybody down with him.

And just to the first point about his nihilism

and his inability to see beyond his own existence, there's a reason he won't pick a successor. It's unfathomable to him that anybody can or should succeed him. So the worst things get for him, the more he's going to lash out,

the more desperate he's going to become, the more dangerous it will be for all of us, unfortunately.

“- So that's why he did go to his son's wedding.”

Okay, Norm. - Okay, so first let me start by saying that if anybody listening or watching has not read Mary's books, one about the history of her family

and a lot of ways, the other autobiography of sorts that also reflects on the family, gotten by them.

Second, if you haven't seen the beautiful profile

of Mary and her wife Ronda Cress in the New York Times with these spectacular pictures, even if it's only the two of them and not the others who happen to be at this celebration. Go to it, please.

And third, subscribe to Ronda Cress' Substack, which is really insightful and it's not about politics so much as it is insights into humanity, into herself, and into some of what she did as a lawyer

where she dealt with disability issues

“until she had to leave because, of course,”

they've turned civil rights into civil rons. So that's my-- - That's the most pro-Trump you've ever been, Norm. - That's right. - Don't make it be crying.

- Well, lovely. - Next, I don't wanna make this only about Donald Trump. We got a lot of other things to talk about, but I'm prompted to look a little bit more widely to start with, I have not read Joe Biden's book,

but I've read about it. And one of the interesting parts is her relationship with Melania Trump,

the first ladies who did not overlap,

but one part of it is about Melania refusing to do the usual T with the outgoing first lady, which every previous first lady, so far as we can tell did,

“because you go in with somebody who's had experience”

in the role who can tell you what works and what doesn't, and she refused to do it. The second is the ride in the limousine to the inaugural, where in the car we had Joe Biden, Melania Trump, I think Barron Trump was there,

and John Besser, who is the husband of Amy Klobuchar, the Senator from Minnesota who happened to be the ranking member of the Rules Committee in the Senate, which sets up all the inaugural activities, and Joe recounts how completely detached and cold Melania was,

when John, to break the ice, asked about Barron's first year

at NYU, she tried to change the subject, she wouldn't answer. So all of that is a roundabout way to asking you about your relationship if there is any with Melania,

what you observe about her and the interactions with the family, and maybe even reflect a little on what kind of a relationship you had if any with Ivana and Marla Mepels.

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Two times, too, I'm too bad.

But the first time I met her, they were just dating still.

And we were at Donald's apartment in Trump Tower for Father's Day, because my grandfather's Alzheimer's was very bad, and we couldn't go in public anymore. We used to go to Peter Lunders, we're on the script. And I made the grave mistake of getting there early.

I usually would plan it so that I was one of the last people to arrive, so I could get there. And it's literally just Donald and Malania, okay, a boy. So he introduced us, she nods, and then he starts telling her about how he saved me

from my, he said, I was in the gutter, because I had dropped out of college, which was true,

which wasn't true at all, and that he hired me to write his book and thereby save my life.

“So, what he tells her that I took drugs,”

which again, I've never done it by life.

- Yeah. - She said the only word, she said the entire time. She perked up, and she said, really? And I said, no, no, so that was fun. And then the only time I saw her was in 2017,

but we were at the White House for my aunt's birthdays. My aunt, Marianne, and Analyst, but celebrated her birthdays there. And she, we had no interaction whatsoever. She didn't come over and say, hello to me, nothing.

So that's all, that's my personal initiative, a lot of you, but this is what I do. When she got into this relationship with Donald, she knew exactly who she was. Ivana, I had met, I'd known since I was 12.

She was exactly who she was.

Ivana was a cold, unaffected, just not a good person, and not a much of an aunt. And then Marla, I actually did get a lot with, but she was so out of her depths that I felt quite bad for her, actually.

And my family treated her horribly, which was just, 'cause she got, she's from a little town in Georgia, and wasn't a worldly person, and she was very,

“I think she was, maybe not younger than I was,”

but close to my age, and I was in my 20s at the time. So they just treated her, like dirt, it was awful. But we got along, and then, yes, obviously, Maloney and I were very close. After our two meetings during which she said,

one word to me.

- Well, you guys are very similar.

- Yes, we are. I think that's fun. - But, you know, I'm just, I'm puzzled by all of that with Marla, because her press agent, John Barron, told the New York Post that he gave her the best

section she'd ever had. So you would think the family would appreciate that. - We would, especially if John Barron was such a reliable guy. - Yeah, I mean, nobody knew Trump better than John Barron.

- Well, the question that I have is, if that falls up in this, is, why is Donald Trump so afraid of his current way? Because he's clearly terrified of her. - Yeah.

“- And I think one of the issues that's associated”

with the Epstein thing is that the truth of how they met, which we've seen little glimmerings of, in some of these underro statements, and I, she's probably not super reliable, but, but they, they're plausible.

That, you know, Melania's past, which involves an illegal entry into the United States and illegally, gotten visa, and, you know, a life in a world that is truly a demi-mod. Regardless of the specific role she played,

it's very clear that neither she nor Donald wants any of this to come out. - Well, I don't know. I often give press conferences about things that nobody's talking about, to make it clear that I have no nothing about anything.

- Right, yeah, well, exactly, I think. - Well, she's, she's, she's terrified. - Yeah, she's terrified. - He terrified of her, because I think, Melania strikes me as being a very ruthless,

calculating person, and she knows where the bodies are buried. And he knows that, and every single one of Donald's relationships, including those of this children, is transactional. So, he knows that she knows, and she knows,

he knows that, and therefore, she can continue to raise her appearance fee. Like, whenever, it's seriously, whatever she, she appears somewhere, like, oh, God, I wonder how much

she's getting paid for this one. Because she, her being implicated in the F.C. files, obviously, wouldn't be great, but it wouldn't be as, it would be devastating for him, because I'm guessing they show up in very different ways.

- So, if anybody has seen the movie "Born Yesterday" with one of the great comedic actresses of all time, Judy Holiday, there's, there are echoes of this there. Roderac Crawford played her thug of a paramour.

She was his girlfriend, and he was doing all kinds of dirty deals. She had signed all the papers, she knew about the stuff, and he ended up being terrified of her. So, there's some similarities here.

- Well, she, yeah, that's definitely true. And she wasn't as dumb as she seemed, in fact, quite the opposite.

But, let me just reflect for a second as well

on his health and the rest of it, and his doctor. He's had a string of doctors from Ronnie Jackson to the current osteopath who have put-- - Well, don't forget Dr. Bornstein,

the lunatic he started out with, who was actually my sister's doctor also. So, I have some insight into what I want to net you with. - Yes, and why your sister kept seeing him as something-- - And your own family secrets,

but we won't get into that. - As Mary knows, you know, every once in a while and your family, their ends up weirdos, you know? - Yeah, oh yeah.

We all know that, but they put out these health reports that are just laughable.

And one of the things that's laughable,

it started with Bornstein, is Donald who had said for decades that his height was six foot two. Suddenly moved to six foot three under Dr. Bornstein at an age when people begin to shrink.

And that was because at six foot three, he was just overweight, at six foot two, he was obese. Now, he's still six foot three, and they say he's put on a few pounds, 238. But I saw a picture of him next to Prince William,

when Prince William was here in the country. Prince William is six foot three. Donald is at least four inches shorter than Prince William.

“So, you have to wonder about all of these health reports.”

And let's add that I think it was Scott Pesent, the Lixbittled Treasury Secretary, when asked about Trump's regular visits for annual physicals, three or four annual physicals a year, said, well, he loves to take these tests

because he aces them. So, how is his health been throughout his life, man? - I'm also such just not how it works. - He don't go to, hey, I'd like to get an MRI for no reason whatsoever.

- Yeah. - Or a cognitive assessment, for example. But yes, your annual, your fourth assessment annually, I don't know, I don't know how that works. I thought annually meant once a year,

but yeah. - Yeah. - It gets that's Donald's math thing.

You know, he's always been,

this in terms of his diet and drinking diacokes and stuff like that, and not getting physical exercises, he's never been a healthy person. So, I'm actually surprised that he's almost 80 because he's not been a healthy person,

but I'm sorry, I apologize in advance. We are a long-lived people. And you could say, sure, both of my grandparents were physically healthier than Donald was, but my grandmother, who's the youngest of 10,

her oldest sister Kate, drank and changed smoked her whole life and she lived to be 98. So, you know, I know, I'm sorry.

“- This is the worst thing that anybody has ever said”

on this podcast. - Eyes wide open. - It's good. Quick, quick little story that you may enjoy, and you'll see where it comes from.

Back in the '90s, or '80s or '90s, Donald and my grandfather, who owned a lot of apartment buildings in New York City, did an ad for hot water heating, and they were just standing behind a table with a beacon of water, sorry, a beaker of water.

All the tables, that was a whole lot. Just the two of them and whatever the text was. Right before the photographer took the picture, my grandfather raised himself up on his tiptoe, so he would be taller than Donald.

So, it's a thing in my fab. - Well, I hope Donald, when it goes to the next game, and is inundated with booze from the next fans, decides that he wants to go to the locker room and stand next to six foot one, Jalen Bronson,

who will tower over him. - Well, you know, a physical assessment time of year. A physical exam time of year is among my favorites, because on Twitter, everybody's posting pictures of Donald next to a football player

who's exactly the same height and exactly the same weight, and it's hysterical.

“So, I think we could do the basketball addition of that,”

that would be fun for all of us except not for him. And does he not understand that basketball games are played inside, and it's very difficult to pretend that it isn't booing? - Well, you know, that gets to different point.

If I can get a more serious point. I think that among his various mental issues

being shot, being... Now, I'll tell you a truth, you know, you know, me. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I find some of his assassination attempts a little dubious. I have to be honest with you.

- I agree. - The fact that in his medical checkup, this last time they said, and he showed a bullet wound on the ear, consistent, and I was like, what the fuck? Nobody, I mean, we see of all the time.

There's nothing on the ear, nothing on the ear. - That's it, right? - It's complete, that's it. But this building of a bunker, this building of a hospital in the bunker, his desire not to go out in public.

His, I think he's like, you know, he's talking about putting a top of the ballroom, drones, and guys with rifles, and stuff like... I'm just, am I wrong here, but he seems like he's afraid the world, if left to its own devices,

will do bad things to him.

“- I close, I think it's more that I see on Rapples,”

there's a part of him that's aware of it, right? He's not full blown dementia yet. He's aware enough. And he's also aware that he's not able to control things.

Donald is somebody who's always had

an apocalyptic imagination. He's simultaneously disgusted by the results of violence, like he can't handle people falling or bleeding, or he doesn't want to see soldiers who've been injured, but on the other hand, he revels it at.

He loves describing in great glory to tell, the ways in which in, you know, people were murdered by the wrong people, et cetera, or what happens on a battlefield. He's fit obsessed with nuclear weapons since the '80s,

because he knows as we were all aware, more about nuclear than anybody. - Well, that didn't even uncle. I mean, this got to be a relative of yours, and he said his uncle was at MIT,

and therefore, Donald is a genius. And so, by extension, I presume you are as well. - Well, obviously, I mean, my uncle, oh, yeah. - Yeah, okay, maybe it doesn't work that way. - Yeah, his uncle was a genius, so he's a genius.

So your uncle is a pathological war criminal,

“and that's why, you know, don't invite married”

any of your parties. - Well, definitely not if they shouldn't. - Right. - But I think, yes, my uncle was a physicist and chemist or something, my great uncle John.

But I don't think it has rebounded to the benefit.

It's basically just the only thing

he can claim makes him smart, which is very pathetic if you think about it. But I do think that he, this sort of fits in what I was saying earlier about his complete willingness to use whatever is at his disposal to take everybody down

if he's going down. I don't know if he's paranoid because on the one hand, yes, he's building a bunker, but he was at a UFC match at Madison Square Garden, and he's on the golf course all the time.

So unless there's gonna be a golf course in the bunker, I think the bunker is more a, is not very subtle way of telling us he's not going anymore.

“That's what I think the bunker is about.”

- Yeah, my guess is the bunker and the drones

are about trying to get a couple billion

in federal monies for security that it has little to do with anything else, but more of the grift. On the other hand, if he's in the bunker with his latter-day avabron and says, we both need to die by suicide.

I think his avabron will say, okay, I'll shoot you and then I'll shoot myself. - I think that's true. And let me ask the question to Norm that then we can go over to Maryette

because we're talking about his mental state. What are the things that I'm seeing also is that his behavior gets more extreme, not just when he's attacking Caitlyn Collins because she's not smiling or he's using vulgar language

and public in a way that even in the press, but he's also doing things that seem just more blazing. And I mean, certainly the slush fund was brazen and this idea of getting lifetime immunity from income taxes for everybody in his families, brazen.

But this week, we saw him appoint a guy

who doesn't have any experience in intelligence or national security

“and only is known to Trump as the hatchet man”

who will use the tools available to enter hurt Trump's enemies. And then today the day we're recording this, he announced that he is going to nominate Todd Blanche to be the attorney general of the United States.

Todd Blanche is somebody who should be under investigation potentially under indictment possibly on trial because he is a co-conspirator of Donald Trump's in obstruction of justice in vindictive prosecution

and in all sorts of other corrupt activities in which Trump couldn't do the corrupt activity without the assistance of Todd Blanche.

So the question first to norm it,

then the marriage is, you know, this is as brazen as we've ever seen anybody get. So now he's taking the worst cabinet in history and making it worse. And that just says to me based on what we've seen

and what Mary has just said that for the next two and a half years we've got to expect that it's bad as the past 10 years of been the next couple are going to be worse. What do you think norm? - Yeah, and that tease up something

that I want to pursue with Mary as well. I do think that he has gotten more brazen because he's testing the limits of what he can get away with

“and so far the fact is he's getting away with almost all of it”

and anybody who believes that the slush fund is dead now because Todd Blanche says well it's not gonna happen is naive beyond belief or utterly stupid or entirely in the pocket of the cult. So that's one part of this.

I think, you know, there's another part as well which is what I'd like to have Mary pursue a little bit which is for most of his life when he's gotten into a fix. He's riggled his way out of it.

One exception, losing in 2020 and he cannot handle that in the slightest, he keeps bringing it up. He said again yesterday that he won over Joe Biden in the landslide but now he is in a really bad fix

because Iran is getting worse by the minute for him.

“He is caught now with Benjamin Netanyahu”

unable to an unwilling to do what Trump wants which is to stop entirely with Lebanon and which would be disastrous for BB and which he cannot do. He is becoming more and more aware that no matter what he does,

he has no deal that Iran has the upper hand in all of this and he's now saying that we may not see the scripts open until Labor Day, a war that was supposed to last a day is now gonna last six months or longer and probably longer

and any settlement he ultimately gets is gonna be a catastrophe. But he has to become aware somewhere somebody inside is at least telling him that this is not going well and I'd like you to just put on your psychologist hat

for a moment and talk about what's happened or what Donald is likely to do when he is in a box canyon and does not see a good way out and is standing deteriorates and more and more people including some of the horrible lifespittals in the Senate

begin to take timid steps away from him. - Well, Vasily, nor your totally right about Donald's inability to take responsibility of anything

and there's always gonna be somebody else to blame.

He'll only take credit when the thing that happened is amazing and nothing can ever be bad which is why he lies so often and I do think that the Iran war will be at least part of his undoing because of the ways

in which it has revealed his weakness and if he's lucky, he will get a deal that's one tent is good as the JCPOA and that's probably not gonna happen. Prices are going to continue to go up

and what I meant to reference actually, I'm so sorry was that 'cause you said a lot there there's a lot to get into was the fact

that Donald has always been able to get out

but that's because there's always been somebody

there to do it for him. Started with my grandfather, New York media has a lot to answer for the banks and B.C. the Republican Party, the Supreme Court. That may be coming to an end.

I'm not going to pretend that the Republican Party is going to come to it, well, I'm not come to it census, they're all in the tank for him. But we're talking about a electoral life for destituations for some of these people,

which is why they might start voting against them in certain ways and that's great, I suppose, because that will contribute to his further decline, which I'm sorry to say is the best we can hope for right now,

“honestly, but that comes with the dangers that you point to,”

because what I'm most worried about as this Iran war grinds on is that he's going to use it as an excuse to suspend elections or what have you, or the logger goes on and the worst situation becomes, the more likely we are to be vulnerable to a terrorist attack

because the people who are supposed to be protecting us are utter morons who have absolutely decimated the agencies in charge of protecting Americans. So these are very treacherous times and they become more treacherous as David pointed out,

he continues to unravel, but I will say though,

this is just of a piece with how he's always been.

There's nothing new here. This is literally the logical trajectory, telling women that they're pigs, swearing all the time, lying just so brazenly, the brazenness of the corruption.

As David said, Donald is pushing the envelope, well, he always has, right? And he's so often got away with it.

“However, sometimes he pushes the envelope”

or he floats a trowel balloon and it doesn't go his way. So what does he do? He pretends that it never happened and then he pushes the envelope again. And we are in a period of time here

where with the exception of the 2020 election, I don't think this guy has had pushback from anybody of consequence in the last five or six years and that makes him more dangerous because why shouldn't he have a slush fund?

Why should it just be $1.8 billion?

Why shouldn't he have a bunker and a ballroom? Why shouldn't, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So that's sort of where we are now. And again, this is not new. This is just a difference of degree, not kind.

- Hi, boy. - I'm so like, I'm here to cheer you guys out. - Yeah, well, I gotta tell you, Mary, you're a lovely person, but that didn't happen to it. Okay, because you told me that he's gonna live to be 98.

And frankly, I wake up every morning like every other person in America and I check my phone. And I'm like saying, couldn't maybe overnight something possibly, you know, something happen

that makes the world a better place because he've got this bunch of these really bad people out there. He is old and decaying. Putin, old and decaying. Net yahoo, old and decaying.

If I lived in India, I'd be saying Modi is old and decaying. There are these people out there and you just gotta believe that we, we, you know, we built some day, be done with that. - Yeah, and we will be unless something weird happens

and they're immortal, but remember, they all have the best healthcare on the planet. But much more concerning than that is, are we done with this if Donald exit stage left? - No, because look how many people continue

to allow, not just allow him, but create the policies that he then is told to push, he didn't come up with the slush-hund idea. He didn't come up with the mortgage, trying to get Democrats imprisoned

because of mortgage fraud. He didn't come up with these things. That's Stephen Miller, that's his other, "Lick Spittles," coming up with these ways in which to drive the rest of us crazy.

“I think that is certainly part of the agenda.”

So what do we get to do about them? Because I think that this movement survives him. Now luckily for us, there is no equivalent to Donald. I mean, that's lucky for us in so many ways. But also lucky for us that there's nobody in the Republican Party

the way he protestically has.

So that is good news, right? - Thank you. - Thank you. I feel much better. Norm, do you feel better?

- I'm getting there, but no.

“I have a couple more questions for you, Mary.”

One is, I don't know how many people have seen the documentary, The Queen of Versailles, which is about this woman who tried to make her home look like Versailles, and it was garrish and tasteless and stomach churning in a lot of ways.

So let's talk about the King of Versailles. - Wait, should you try to make her more please look like the Versailles or like the Oval Office? - Well, there we go. And not just the Oval Office,

it's the walk of leaders and it's the gold leaf everywhere.

And one question is, as his taste always been,

is garrish and disgraceful, and how much is it gonna cost us to restore any of the elements of decency to the architecture and buildings that are historic in Washington? - Yeah, well, I'll start with your second question first

because the answer is, it's gonna cost us wherever it costs us because it has to be done all evidence of this creature and needs to be raised to the ground. - Yeah. - And to the extent that our dignity can be restored,

well, that's a much larger project that is gonna require a lot of soul searching and it's gonna require the kinds of leaders we actually need. So, you know, the buildings are, it's the ballroom, the reflecting pool will be turned from a lap pool

back into a reflecting kit, for example. The ballroom won't happen. The UFC cage thing is going to be dismantled. So, his name will be taken off of everything.

“And I think that the tens of, not hundreds of billions”

of dollars, he and his useless children of stolen from us should be taken back from them to fund all of that restoration. As for his horrific taste, yes, he comes by that honestly. My grandmother grew up in a little village

in the outer hamburgers of the West Coast of Scotland was a very, very into the royal family. And she fads you to herself to have somebody with incredible taste. Well, Donald gets it from her,

so we can blame her for that. - But you don't have a room in your house. It's full of gold, encrusted statues that you occasionally go in just to feel back at home with the family.

You know, there's none of that running through your veins, Mary. - I mean, what gave you that idea? - Well, I don't know, you used to have a parrot with little crown.

“- No, I don't, I find their taste appalling.”

And it's bad enough because my grandmother briefly had an apartment in Trump Tower, and you used to show me pictures of it. It was absolutely as idios as you could imagine. And that's her business.

Donald's spending our money to turn the people's hosts into a version of that, and it's really appalling. - So, now. - Norm, you may have the last question, but I do wanna provide you with the news update,

which is, as we're sitting here talking, recording this on Thursday, the word has gone out within the Kennedy Center, that they must now actually begin taking his name off of it. So that's happening as we speak.

Anyway, Norm, you have the last question. - Okay, I'm actually gonna make a comment, which reflects on some of the things that we've been talking about. You mentioned Bill Pulti, who is a disgraceful henchman,

who also has been disowned by his family, which is a prominent home-building family, Pulti brothers, the rest of them want nothing to do with him.

And he got basically pushed out of the company

because of his incompetence and immorality. He is in this role as the director of national intelligence. While maintaining his other roles in the middle of a war because of the vacancies act, which says that if you have been confirmed to the Senate for any position,

you can be put temporarily for a year and he violated the year over and his first term as a temporary appointee into any other position. So that's one of the things that has to be high on the list for reform and we ought to start it now.

The other is, we now know what these violent insurrectionists and seditionists are gonna do if the slush fund goes away, which is to use the law the federal tort claims act,

to get federal money if the justice department determines that they have been wronged in some fashion. Todd Blanche's Justice Department.

“Now I think Mary, you ought to apply under the federal tort claims act”

and see what they say about that. But having said that and social edging,

but having said that the second area for reform is,

we cannot allow this federal tort claims act to go forward as is, it needs safeguards. Against misuse of our taxpayer money for illegitimate and malign purposes. So those would be my last comments,

but I just wanna say how grateful I am to have Mary and Ron in my life and how grateful David and I are to have Mary appear periodically and give insights. Today was about the Malignant Narcissistic President but there are many other areas where Mary has great insight

and that will be the subject of the next time she's on. - Wait a second, you're not grateful to me in your life. - I am very grateful to have you in my life. But I say that every week, I don't get to say it on the podcast to Mary all that often.

- Yeah, I, well first of all, I agree with you.

You said about Mary, it is great as a true joy to have you to visit and I will give you the last word, Mary, what, is there anything we've missed? Would you like to tell us which one

of your near-to-well-colors as it's the worst? 'Cause I'm having a hard time figuring that out. - Yeah, well, I don't use the stupidest avant-garde's the worst. - And she's having problem with her Albanian island project.

- You know, she just wants a little private island to destroy, come on, she's, oh, my goodness, what, we are just no fun. We know it, we are no fun, the poor girl. She suffered so much for America.

- But it also tells us a lot about her that you can say she married up on the idea that anybody could marry up to Jared Kushner. - No, but I have to, I have to tell you something. Nobody I know knows Jared Kushner

and I know people who know Jared Kushner would say he is marrying up in any case. He is as bad as the rest of it. - Oh, yeah, absolutely. But is he real?

- Is he real? You think he's out? - He looks a little AI, but I used to refer to him as the denuted humunculus, but anyway, that's not very nice. So let's pretend.

“- Accurate, but not nice. - Well, that's what that nice.”

- Just the last thing I, my norm was talking about, the vacancies act and the tort claims act. I think we need to start a dream list of reforms that must happen that democratic candidates need to be talking about from the Supreme Court on down.

And we need to get as specific as things like the vacancies act and the fickle tort claims act. So that's a list I would absolutely love to get going. I'm sure plenty of people are working on it, but it's got to become part of the Democratic Party's narrative.

Other than that, I just want to say that I'm so happy

always to hang out with you guys.

And of course, as you know, norm and Judy norm, you and Judy are so, so important to us. And we got to be daddy whom we love, and I feel like I've known him forever. So, and just yeah, it's just, it's amazing

how lucky I got last six years to get to meet people like you and obviously my wife, which has been pretty amazing and I'm just grateful that you ask me to hang out with you once in a while. - Well, we are grateful that you are a really good join us

“and be that you remain an important voice out there.”

It's a voice people listen to and there's a reason you have perspective that's really, really important in this moment in time. So hopefully we'll come back and we will all do collective group therapy.

Periodically, as we go through what's gonna be a rough year and a rough couple of years. But for now, thank you so much, Mary. Thank you, norm. Thank you, everybody, for listening.

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