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“How do you feel your buddies at the Supreme Court are doing?”

I mean, John Roberts, Sam O'Lito, Clarence Thomas, I mean, even Amy Coney Barrett has managed to come up with a rule that will allow us to deport Haitians, and she has to adopt it Haitian children? "You know, I remember all of the stories when she was up for confirmation, and let's just note how illegitimate that confirmation was, eight days before the election, and let

us note that not long after being confirmed, thanks to the chicanery of then leader Mitch McConnell, then Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. She appeared with McConnell at the McConnell Institute in Kentucky, where she said, "Heart to even imagine it, we're not just a bunch of partisan hacks, in a setting where she proved she was a partisan hack, but so many people, including the more liberal legal scholar at Harvard

Law School, Noah Feldman, who had clerked alongside her at the court, tried to reassure us that while she was conservative, she had rock rib integrity. What we're seeing now is she is not just another one of six partisan hacks on what we could probably call the Alito Court, because he's the leader now. Robert's just goes along, although it's not like he's a coward, he is also a partisan extremist

hack, but these decisions, the decision to blow up decades of law and practice, to take 350,000 Haitians, many of whom have been here for decades.

One example in an extraordinarily powerful and damning descent by Elena Cagan, somebody working

on Alzheimer's research out in Silicon Valley, a productive person doing what we want people to do, who's been here for 35 years, and if he is sent back to Haiti, he will likely be kidnapped, tortured and killed. Where you have Mike Dewey, a governor of Ohio, saying this is a terrible thing to do for these productive people in Ohio, and where you have Alito, and this is what really got to me. Of course, it's not just Haitians, it's Salvadorans and others, but it's primarily

of change," and yeah, Trump may have said some things that could be interpreted otherwise,

“giving no examples. Elena Cagan went down through the whole list of vile, racist examples”

of what Trump had said about Haitians. We know the reading dogs, the reading cats, talking about shithole nations, only referring to people of color, and saying, "Why can't we have more Norwegians?" And knowing that we have a Steven Miller-led Trump-led Elon Musk-led effort to make sure not only are they bringing in white South Africans to the exclusion of everybody else, but they're giving them swag bags, with tablets and all kinds of other goodies,

and that this Supreme Court, that Amy Coney Barrett, with two Haitian kids, would go along

with this racist, nativist, lawless rewriting the law for their own benefit, using as a pretext,

“"Well, this could be terrible, but we have no role in this when they have a role in everything else."”

Makes me, literally, throw up a little in my mouth when I saw that ruling, and let me take this back to, I mean, there were a couple of these. I can't stop now, David, you've got to start it. The ruling where contrary to every element of law, a rastifier, who has as a core part of his religion that you do not cut your hair, goes into a prison, has the court case and the documents in hand, telling the guards and the warden, "No, you can't cut my hair, it's against the law."

They shade his head, and he sues, and the court says, "Sorry, nothing we can do about it, and what I will tell you with 100% confidence is, if this had been a Catholic who had come in, and they ripped the cross off his neck, they grabbed the rosary and threw them both in the toilet. And took away the Bible. Do you think this court would say, "You know, there's nothing we can do about it. Technically, you can't really hold them accountable." No, they would be all over this.

This is a group of people who don't belong on any court, much less the United States Supreme Court,

“unless the court we're referring to is in Putin's Russia. Is that good enough for you?”

But I'm going to get a note from your cardiologist. Just say, "Please, please do not wind norm up this." I just asked a simple question, and you didn't even talk about the asylum decision, which, you know, undoes, as just as sort of my work pointed out, principles that were developed in the wake of our turning away victims of the Holocaust and allows us to say, "Oh, sorry, we're not going to let you in, and because we don't let you in, that means we don't have to

consider your application for being here under asylum." Or the Hawaii decision, which says, "Oh, yeah, you can bring that gun into a retail store unless they explicitly say you can." Or the Monsana decision about, you know, let's be great again. You're right, where they're going out, and there is an outbreak in the among rural communities, a cancer among farmers because of a lot of these things, and they're saying no, and just as Thomas, he didn't mention for some reason,

I can't imagine why he overlooked it, put into that decision that the commerce clause of the Constitution really only refers to very narrowly defined commerce that is good going across a board, not manufacturing them, not selling them none of the other elements of commerce are actually covered, so you can't actually regulate that stuff, which was, which was really, I mean, you've got to admit, I don't think of him as a very bright guy, but that was pretty creative.

Creative, yes, what is so astonishing? I mean, other than the rank racism, and that's partly why I focused on the Haitian case, because the dancing that Alito had to do to move away from any justification that what Trump was doing was based on race really got to me. Thomas, Alito,

but all six of them now, basically it's, I'm going to take my preferences and jam them down

this, the burn of its decision on voting rights and election law, campaign law, was Alito,

“basically directly rewriting the law to fit his own preferences. That is now what we have.”

We have, in effect, a lawless court, not a court of conservatives, and one person who is as beside himself as I am is the great conservative guru, a mentor to several of the justices on the court, Michael Lutig, who is a genuine conservative who actually believes you apply the constitution and the law, whether you like it or not, that's your role. Every day, these people violate their oath in service of the cult leader or their own lunatic extremist positions.

Yes, they don't. Well, you know, there are still seven more decisions we're expecting from the

next Monday and Tuesday. And that includes birthright citizenship, and I think a couple more voting rights cases. Yeah. And you know, the conventional wisdom is, and some of it based on oral arguments, that they will hand Trump a defeat on birthright citizenship. But when I saw the asylum decision, I thought, I don't think I'd want to bet even Bitcoin on whether they're actually going to do the right thing there. I suspect they will, as a tactical matter as much as anything else,

that they want to try and show that there's at least one instance where they're pushing against

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und weiter geht's einfach lauschen und genießen. Aldi, gut ist für alle. Well, yeah, I mean, also, you know, there's, I mean, the 14th Amendment's pretty explicit in Brutechn citizenship. Now admittedly, they're pretty creative about, you know, interpreting their way around these things. But yeah, but I would expect if there are voting rights cases to come, we will emerge from next week with fewer voting rights than we had this.

“I think that's a fair bit. You know, it does, it does strike me, though, that Donald Trump,”

I'll be having spoken about him in 11 minutes at 11 seconds of this podcast, so far. I think he's losing it, and I think he's, you know, I mean, we say that every week, but here's why I think this week. So earlier this week, two days ago, the Congress had handed to him a political victory, a big one. There's a housing crisis in America, and they said, here's a housing bill passed by bipartisan majorities.

The Republicans all the way over to Elizabeth Warren that's going to help people out,

And Donald Trump said, okay, see, I'll be up there to sign it. And then an hour later, he said,

“you know, something, I'm not signing it. And the reason I'm not signing it is because I won't do”

anything until you approve the Save Act, which is his act in order to cheat in the upcoming elections, as much as he possibly can. And of course, the Republicans I've spoken to up in the air are apoplectic because this was a win, and they've had very few wins, but also because the Save Act doesn't look like it can be passed because everybody realizes how profoundly corrupt it is.

But, and this is my point, Trump is so desperate. Everything that he does, whether he's talking

about Spencer, Pratt, and how his election got for, you know, to be a nominee, to run for LA. Mayor was rigged, or whether he's talking about other cases, or whether they're sending icing to arrest somebody in a voting booth, which they did earlier, or whether, you know, in every single instance, he's pushing forward on his desire to cheat and rig. He had the postmaster general appear before the Congress and say, you know, we've got a new regulation and unless states give

us their voting roles, we will not be approving the delivery of male ballots associated with the people from those states. Completely illegal. Their court decisions handing down this week saying the federal government can't do this stuff, and yet he is doing it. Day in and day, it is his

“only priority. And the question is, why, Norm, why is he so afraid of the election?”

And I think he said it, David, at least one major part of it, which is, they'll impeach me again. Now, we know that if they do impeach him again, and if there's a democratic majority in the house of more than four or five or six, they will impeach him again. He's not going to be convicted, even if a majority of Republican senators know that it would be the right thing to do, just as they knew it would be the right thing to do when they didn't convict him after January 6.

But he knows that if they put impeachment on the floor, they will have a major debate going through all of the things that he's done and it will get a huge amount of attention. And he knows

“that no matter what, this will be the only president impeached not once, not twice, but three times”

a lady. And he is paranoid about having that happen. And paranoid about losing the licks-biddle relationship that he has with the worst speaker in the history of the house, the fundamentally corrupt Mike Johnson, and having to deal with Hacking Jeffries on a regular basis and knowing that some of his priorities, including spending, will be thwarted. If there is a democratic majority. And he also knows that if the Senate goes to the Democrats,

which if there's anything, even halfway resembling a fair election could very well happen, that every nominee that he would push in his last two years will be thwarted. So there's the reasons for him to be unhappy. But he's going to go to every length he can to delegitimize these elections and probably to bring out the military. Here we can talk about yet another outrageous action by Pete Heggseth in pushing out yet another extraordinary general.

And what we're seeing with Pete Heggseth is two things happening. The first is, he is

using his racist misogynistic core to block the confirmation of those officers who have been vetted through the normal process. Their peers have said, "These are leaders who should be generals." But as if they're black or female, he blocks them. But he's also blocking the genuine warriors who will abide by what a number of senators who was trying to punish starting with Mark Kelly have said, "We take an oath and we do not follow illegal orders." And why is he focused so

the wrong way to bring out the military, the cease ballots, the block elections, the block voters,

and we should be deeply, deeply concerned about this. Yeah, by the way, I just want to point out that the general that he has gotten rid of this time around, it's Christopher Donnie. It was the last guy out of Afghanistan. It was a Delta Force commander. You know, anything about special forces,

“that's the top of the heap. Yeah. Was the U.S. Army commanding general in Europe?”

Was as good as it gets, the cream of the crop of the military, and what he must have done and will find out sooner or later is he must have disagreed with Exah, because one by one he gets rid of generals who don't go along with him or who give them his best at their best advice, which is of course what they are paid to do. Let me go back to your prior point, though, because I think it will offer a word of advice to some of our, you know, friends and colleagues out there

in the world, because I was at a dinner last night at the group of Democrats, very accomplished, senior Democrats. And they were like, oh, well, I hope the Democrats don't, you know, try to hold Trump accountable if they take back the house. I hope there are no impeachment. That's a bad thing.

The impeachment didn't do any good. And I said, well, actually, the first impeachment occurred

before he lost the 2020 election. It actually brought stuff into the fore and then he lost the election. And these kind of investigations bring to light many things. And the constitution forgives you one remedy in light of the Supreme Court's immunity decision. And that is impeachment. And so you're sort of obligated to pursue it if you see the president straining outside the lines. And I'm just wondering, do you have any advice for these people who are like, no, no, we don't

have to, we can't, we can't focus on accountability. So one thing we know David is that in poll after poll, the standing of the Democratic Party is right around the same very low level as the Republican party. Now, why is that? A good part of it is that a substantial part of the Democratic Party's base and not a few independence do not believe that the establishment

“Democrats are fighting back against fascism at home. And that's why we saw some of these”

election results. That's why we saw some of these people that now a lot of people have here on fire because they're going to be to the left of the squad. They're going to be too far left in all of this. But in a whole lot of cases, you look more deeply. They weren't elected specifically because of their democratic socialism. They were chosen over establishment figures because their fighters, they're operating outside the normal box. And if the Democratic, if the Democrats you had

dinner with and they're representative of a lot of the leadership have their way, then we are going to be in a dogfight, not just for 2026, but for 2028. Now, I would not want to see Donald Trump,

“I wouldn't want to see an impeachment resolution against Trump right now. I think that would be a”

distraction. What I do want to see is impeachment against Pete Heggsith, RFK Jr, and let us note David that we got another revelation this week about RFK Jr. That he went to a Libertarian candidate for office. And from a sad person, a paying job in the federal government if the candidate would drop out of the race so that they wouldn't take votes away from the Republican. That is blatantly illegal, offering a government job for somebody to influence an election outcome.

It'll go by. Nothing much will happen. Why have we not impeached this man? And let's note that this is also a man who is now going to be having control over special education. The same man who said

autistic kids will never be a part of society or hold jobs, which is a blatant

fall-suit and outrageous who continues to push horrible things that are going to kill people. I want that impeachment begun. I want to see the impeachment of the agriculture secretary,

about things. We could go down through the list. The first person actually, I want to see a

peach right now as Bill Coltty who not only violated his oath of office as head of the housing authority, with vindictive attempts at prosecution. But now having no qualifications under the law to serve as acting director of national intelligence, the day before he moved into the job was firing

“people. That's what I want to see happen now. And if the people you have dinner with and their”

counterparts say, well, you can't do that with distracts from affordability. The idea that you can't do two things at once that you can't recognize what you're doing to the morale of a base that needs

to know in the face of what's going to be a huge set of obstacles for voting. That no matter what,

you've got to go and spend eight hours in live, ten hours in live, because your vote matters. Instead of having them say, well, it really make any difference? Nah, I'll lead after two hours. And that is the mistake you need to have dinner with better people. These were good people, but I think they bent well, but I do think there is a misconception here. And I think one of the problems is that people are like, well, Donald Trump's sweet generous, and there's not going to be

another Trump. But take just corruption, which you've just discussed. And yes, there's the RFT case.

But if we wanted to, we could talk about cases of people buying partings from this government.

We could talk about cases of people in the Trump family getting big contracts. We could talk about cases of the president accepting a big airplane, and that he's supposed to be able to go away from the presidency and own the airplane afterwards. We could talk about case after case after case that involved not just the president, but families of members of the cabinet people and the cabinet people in business. I mean, it takes two to tango or more than that

to tango. So they're literally hundreds and hundreds of people who are openly committing corrupt acts and are happy to do it if it gets them what they want and there are no consequences. And so to then not hold them accountable and to invite future groups to say, well, look, they got

“away with it. That's the president. That's how the government now operates after the Supreme”

Court's Trump versus US decision, which they gave him immunity. We got a serious ongoing problem. This is not just about accountability. It's about whether we have a functioning government. And you know, I just had one other element to your laundry list, which is Todd Blanch's Justice Department, dropping investigations and cases against clear fraudsters and others who've committed criminal acts because they'd either given money or because they're tied to Trump and his cronies.

So it's been addictive prosecutions against your enemies. Many of them absolutely made up out of whole cloth and being often slapped down by judges, but also doing something that judges have very little ability to intervene with, which is to drop cases against clear criminal actors. Yo, and you know, just take another one because I don't think he figured on your list of impeachables. And that is Blanch himself, who just a few days ago, when presented with a court saying,

“you must guarantee to us that you're not going to create this slush fund to reward”

you know, bad actors. Blanch said, well, I don't know if we're going to follow the court's decision on this. And to me, you know, that may have been a throw away. People may be too busy to notice this stuff. But that's the constitutional crisis, just an inch away from happening, because once the attorney general of the United States or the acting attorney general of the United States starts saying, we will only selectively follow court decisions based on whether

we agree with them or not. It's over. Marbury versus Madison is out the window. The system is out the window. Judicial review is out the window. We don't have three branches of government anymore. And we're so close to that. I can feel it's hot breath on my neck. You know, so he's got to be at the top of a list of the impeachable. I certainly agree with that. And I, you know, if I had my brothers, I would move to an impeachment resolution now for him as

to be confirmed as attorney general. If he is not confirmed, and there's a small chance, at least,

“that four Republican senators will say, this is a bridge too far. I know from talking to people”

in the know that there are far more than that who are appalled by Todd Blanche doesn't mean that they're going to vote that way. But let's keep in mind that if he is denied confirmation, he remains as deputy attorney general. And under the law, the deputy attorney general has almost the same powers as the attorney general. And he can be acting attorney general for a substantial period of time. But I would also imagine that if he is shot down by the Republican

Senate, Trump's reaction to that is going to be to nominate a cash petel or somebody who is even

worse than Todd Blanche if that's imaginable to say now turn down this one. It reminds me a little

“bit in your old enough to remember this as well when Richard Nixon nominated a pretty distinguished”

southern conservative judge named Clement Hainesworth to the Supreme Court. And the Democrats who were still stinging from what had happened to aid for us, who was nominated for Chief Justice and shot down by a filibuster, decided to go after Clement Hainesworth, which was a mistake, frankly. But they got their scalp, he was rejected. And Nixon's reaction to that was to nominate an utterly unqualified immoral predator named Karswell, Harold Karswell, G Harold Karswell,

who also got shot down. But it was in your face, Senate, I'm going to show you whose boss. So you know, rejecting Blanche will be good, but it doesn't end the predation that Todd Blanche

“will do in the Justice Department. So I say yes, impeach him, get him out of office, and even”

before that happens, where are the damn bar associations? Here's a man openly violating the law on the Epstein files, openly talking about violating the law, bringing sham prosecutions across the board and he should be discharged instantly. I totally agree with you, and I'm surprised, frankly, that that hasn't happened just yet. I also kind of like the scenario described where the leaders of the Democrats in the Senate say, "Well, we're going to have to hold off in the

confirmation of Todd Blanche until we finished his impeachment hearings." You know, in the good news department, I'd go back to one other thing you've said, as this sort of come to our end here, but you know, these primaries actually produce what I consider to be very positive results for Democrats. And it's not just because I'm like super lefty, and I like all these Democrats, socialists who got elected, although I do, I'll admit it, but it's because they got elected in New York. And in

other parts of New York, different people, the ex-military veterans got elected, and other parts of the country, different people got elected, and the Democrats are being smart and saying, "We need a big tent to win a November." And the Democratic is going to win in Texas, is different from the Democratic is going to win in New Jersey, who's different from the Democratic is going to win in New York, or Michigan, or Wisconsin, or Montana. And to me,

that's smart, and we're getting strong candidates across the board. And you know, there's just a lot of people, you know, I mean, James Carville, who I don't know, he could be your best friend, but I was watching James Carville. And he was like, "I am done with the Democratic party because they're electing radicals in New York." And first of all, the people they're electing are radicals. They're just actually, you know, looking mom Donnie this week, who got, and this is,

as a New Yorker, it's like amazing. He got the rent control board to freeze rents,

and stabilize departments, and they're a million of those. For the next two years, he promised to do it, he did it, and it's going to change the lives of millions of New Yorkers. For the better, this is not about ideology. It's about listening to voters, and it's about helping voters. And that's the vibe I'm getting. It's not ideological. It's not about the labels.

candidates who listen to voters and then try to fix their problems. Because going back to your

point about the Democrats, they're seen as weak and ineffective. And their Republicans are seen as corrupt and ineffective. And so what people want are people who are strong and affected.

“And I think we're headed in that direction if we get to have a free and fair election.”

Yet that's certainly the case. And, you know, to go to Defcon 1 over a handful of primaries

in the middle of New York without also noting that in one key primary to replace Jerry Nathler, the winner was his hand-picked successor, who is by no means some sort of Democratic socialist by Colasher. Yeah. So, you know, we're seeing different results in different

“districts. And I don't have a problem with that at all. And I think if we look at what happened in”

the past, if you look at the hair on fire reaction when AOC was elected and the squad came in,

that this is the end of the Democratic Party. My guess is you could go back and find Carval saying pretty much the same thing. They ended up for the most part, AOC in particular, being quite pragmatic. They're looking to counter the predations of the Trump administration. They're also looking to push policies that are whether you want to call them left wing or not, wildly popular with the majority of Americans. And, you know, the Democratic Party is going to be able to

survive that. I am hoping that Hurricane Jeffries, who I think has not been tough enough going back to our earlier discussion, but is savvy enough to make sure this big tent can operate in the majority and get things done and hold the line where they need to hold the line. So, you know, voters are making their choices, and that's just fine. It's not just just fine. It's great. And I just hope we evaluate enough that we fight for it enough that that's actually what happens

in November. Yeah. Anyway, Norm, it is good to see it. It's good that it's summer time. I hope you're enjoying yourself. And I look forward to talking to you again about all this next week,

“Karen Wordsmatter. And if you want to know more about what's going on in the Intel community”

with Polty, we talked about that on Deep State Radio this week. And we're going to talk a lot in an episode of Silconsciousness we're about to do on the influence of AI and the upcoming elections in the big tech companies. So, that will also be relevant. So, join us for all those. And of course, come back next week to join Norm and I here at Wordsmatter. Bye-bye.