#2484 - David Cross

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What was the last time we were actually in a room to you other? >> Well, I was trying to think of that. I don't know. I would imagine post news radio we hung out at some point in some show. Somewhere, somewhere.

>> But I don't know.

But I do remember, because I did news radio a couple of times.

“And we hung out and I remember, I think we both know just you,”

had more hair than it was probably already at this point. >> I was fighting to keep it. >> Are you, are you, do you shave or is that it? >> I mean, I'm bald, if I didn't shave, I'd be bald all the way up here. But I got a hair transplant, and it was useless.

>> Yeah, I did a joke about it. I go down a hair transplant, it's like taking people that are healthy and moving them into a neighborhood where everyone's dying. This is just like, where did Bob go?

He just fuck and flew off the face of the earth.

>> So, yeah, you'd say you just accepted it, said. >> Yeah, I should have done it a long time ago, it's so much better. And I don't have to talk to a barber. I don't have to listen to boring, fucking stories where they hold you hostage

“with a pair of scissors, that's what this gets me.”

I don't like shaving, I don't, it's kind of a pain in the ass, and I also I look like a turtle, I look like a turtle, you know, when I shave, I don't like it. It's not attractive to me, and I jerk off to me all the time, so I want to keep things fresh. I probably don't have to, I could probably get clippers and stuff, but I go to, you know, one of my guys around the corner where I live, and I have this experience where I want that.

I want to get in and out, right? Because of what you were saying, a lot of chitchat, and there are a couple guys, very quiet, hi, how you doing? Good, fist bump, whatever, you know what I want to get out of there. There's one guy who just talks and then they have that, the blade, you know, the, what

he call that, you know, the blade blade striper, and they got it right there, so he got to be polite. It's by your, yeah, you know, and I know I could avoid it if I just get some clippers and just do this thing, but I don't, I don't know, I was boring, and sorry, there's no point to it, there's no point to it, there's no point to it, there's nothing to do with what we're

talking about. There's something about a beard though that makes you distinguished or at least have experience or look like a homeless, you know, alcoholic, I mean, there are plenty of those guys too. Yeah, there's a lot of those too, but a beard is like, there's just, there's just,

there's a statement with a beard, like a full beard, like yours, white. Mine is just, you know, I don't like shaving, like, you know, and again, I do, like, I only gain weight in two places, stomach and right here, and also I have a kind of a thin frame, so it's, it's really not attractive, it's not attractive, so the beard is sort of, it's filer laziness, it's, I don't have to worry about it, yeah, no, I hear you, and this,

you know, I just, I go, I don't know, six, seven weeks, and then I just shave it, once it gets out, because this, my hair doesn't grow down or it just goes out, like a clown, you know, it goes this way, all of it, even this too, and, and once this starts filling in, it just looks goofy, yeah, I have a friend, my friend, a son, he used to shave his head, and now purposely to look goofy, he lets the sides go out, and it's madness, it's just, it's

all fucking crazy thick hair, and bald on top, and bald on top, yeah, and he does a joke on stage about it, it doesn't, it doesn't praise Indian, this is my impression with Indian

“posey, and it's just, like, not concerned if I got late, or yeah, I think he's just embracing,”

but he still gets late, you know, because he's really funny, I think he just embraces, not giving a fuck, there he is, oh, he looks familiar to me, okay, very funny guy, all right, cool, he's one of the up and comment, well he's from LA, originally, he was one of the

but, uh, doesn't give a fuck about his hair, who's that? Art Bell, I was gonna guess

“art Bell, I swear to God, yeah, I swear to God, I don't even know if I've ever seen”

him, yeah, it was to coast, yes, yes, from the Kingdom of Nye, wow, I fucking loved that show, that was the show that I listened to coming home from Hollywood, because I lived out in the valley and I would drive home at night and I'd listen to Late Night with Art Bell, art, that's the coast with Art Bell, I used to do a whole bit about, uh, the, like, um, 'cause who's the new guy, George? Nori, George Nori, right, and I'm gonna digress for one

second, did you ever, uh, do you play video games at all? Yes, well, I try not to, but I used

to play a lot of them. Do you ever play, pray? No, but I know what it is. A great, underrated, underrated game got ripped off, uh, or just people bit certain things that they, um, started, but one of the coolest things, so it's about like this, uh, it takes place on a, uh, uh, uh, reservation, you know, uh, in the 90s, I guess, or something like that, and there's bartender and her boyfriend, and, and it takes place in this bar, and then

aliens come, and, uh, then this guy goes on the alien ship to, uh, go rescue her, but, um, they did this really cool thing. So first, they have this, in the video game, right, at the bar, there's a TV, and as you walk towards it, it's, it's, it's like, static, until you get closer to it, and then as your character gets closer to it, it's art bell, talking about aliens and stuff. I know I'm not doing it just this, but it was such a cool, smart

idea, and, uh, got blissment. Oh, the OG. Yeah, and, and just some of the guy, I, one thing that, 'cause I listen to it a lot too, 'cause sometimes, you know, you're listening,

and, you know, like, this is insane. This is crazy. Yeah. And he would always, always treat

the guest with difference, you know, respect. And I, I, that must have been, because there were things that were, you know, if you go back to all the episodes that were kind of contradictory in a sense, you know, like, what you think all these things happen, you think there's a, uh, place in the middle of the ocean that has, like, it's a community of people that live there, and, and, and, and then, but you also think this, like, all these different things, it'd be, like,

interesting. Yeah, he would let you go. He'd let you go. He'd give it some air. Uh, but he was, yeah, he was never rude or never, he had a time traveler line, where you would call specifically if you were a time traveler. But if you were calling from the past, they didn't have

“that technology yet. No, that's mostly people from the future, I believe. Wait, like, art, I'm calling”

from seven minutes in the future. Listen, I think his, his whole deal was, if you are here in this current era, but you are from another time, you could call, because, you know, the idea was, like, he would have these remote viewers and their odd balls on, and they would talk about that we, we've had the ability to time travel for a long time. Oh, yeah. You know, there were wormholes that exist and they explained the quantum dynamics involved, and the time travel has been breached by

the CIA in the 1960s. Yeah. And, uh, you have these people call up, but art would always, like,

give them air, like, let it breathe. Yeah. Yeah. Art, I'm a wearable. Interesting. Tell me more. Like, it didn't matter, no matter what it was. It was a fun show. Yeah, I loved it. Crazy people from fucking bigfoot people to alien people. Everything. And then, and then, a lot of people, uh,

“ex-military, I think you need to get that like whistleblowers. Um, I was a station and, uh, you know,”

outside of, uh, remote island that, uh, I can't go into a Singapore and, uh, I witnessed some things sort that I still have difficulty believing when, uh, and then he'd, yeah, what happened? It was great. Yeah. That's so fun. And, and you, so, did you also listen to Phil Henry? Yes. Oh, god, he was the best. Super genius. The best thing about Phil Henry was the people that didn't understand what was going on. He would call in. He'd be really upset. The first, the first

two times I heard him, I didn't understand what he was doing. He's, he's that good, too. Then I, and I would be like, this is crazy this guy. And then eventually you're like,

I got the chance to watch him do a show. So he's got, he's, he's got the, he's got three

“mics I want to say. Oh, like, two mics like this. And then a phone mic, uh, or, you know, a phone,”

like, a whole time, you know, cradle phone. And he was doing himself, uh, the, the woman who's, uh, runs the, uh, HOA or whatever, that, uh, whatever her name was, that, that character. And then somebody else calling in, like he did somebody calling on the phone. And it was, uh, I mean, it was like a magic act. Yeah. It was crazy to watch how, without missing a beat. And I could see, uh, you can see how he strategically takes breaths, so that he can go from one character to another and

interrupting each other. Yeah. You know, it, it, it was fascinating. But he's a genius. It's the only

thing that caught, I, right away, I was like, a way of, and there's no cross talk. Like, right, well, if one of the early times I listen, I was like, I think this is the same guy. Yeah, well, he's, he bumps it up, like he's really good at, uh, almost, you know, making it sound as if, like, because he'll interrupt himself and go, and I, okay, but, you know, it's stop and then just go right into the other voice. It's fucking phenomenal. And completely original, like, I don't know

if anybody else did anything with that. No. Did you ever, um, he used to put out stuff for charity,

like, uh, CDs and things and he has, uh, I don't know what it would be called, but it was one of

the, one of the things he put out for charity that was, um, a guy called into the station, I think he's probably super high, but he called in thinking it was Pizza Hut. And he

“fucks with this guy in the best way where he's like, uh, and who's the, what, what's the woman”

character he does? It's kind of like, uh, like a black woman who's like, um, honey, it is the, I don't know, Marjorie, I think, maybe, uh, but he, then he does that woman answering the phone, uh, at, you know, Pizza Hut. And then he does the automated, uh, thing, like, she's like, I'm going to put you on, uh, it's easier to do the automated, uh, thing, so in the guy's like, uh, okay, all right. And, and then he gets odd. He's like,

thank you for calling Pizza Hut. The best Pizza in a three block radius. And if you want, if you want, uh, I'm not doing it justice. You gotta go do it. Here at this, can you, yeah, you gotta, uh, headphones. Okay. It's so brilliant. Wait. Uh, whichever is a large, yes. 15 inch deep pan, this one, you got this pan deep, or exactly just a regular, large one. I like, uh, 16 inch thick crust on a deep dish. You want to pop this? No,

uh, you want to, uh, I hate them, pop the cheese balls, anything like that. We got a special on Buffalo wing. Uh, we got a special on, um, uh, uh, damn, I forgot the other thing. We got a special on that. All right. What do you want? We gotta choose you want blue, Swiss, cheddar, monster.

“Okay. I think I'm gonna have the wrong, uh, location here. Well, and hold on.”

And he's a value for calling Pizza. Your call is being transferred. Please have all credit card information available for our operators. Yes, Pizza, hello. Hi. Yes. Hi. Which location are you at? We are at the corner of Laxianica and Venice. Okay. I like the place in the order for delivery. All right. Can I put you on the road? Would put you through our automated system? Hold on, please. Thank you for calling Pizza. If you'd like cheese pizza, press one.

If you'd like a meatball pizza, press two. If you'd like sausage, press three. Press two. Oh, it goes on and on and on. He goes, he eventually gets the guy a fish pizza and the guy's like, no, man. This, I don't want it. Um, it's, it's really funny. But that's him. That's Phil doing all those voices. And that's not set up. But guy had called into the studio thinking what's pizza and they're like, take this call.

Did you ever meet him? I did briefly. When I got to see him do his, he did a live show at, Aspen Comedy Festival. Uh, long, long, long time ago. I did something with him,

I want to say it was somewhere in Canada. But it was some sit down. We were talking about the

“process of going through, because he was in the middle of doing some sort of a television show”

pilot. We're, yeah, yeah. So we're talking about the process of creating a pilot and what it's like trying to get a pilot to an actual finished television show and get it approved and with the struggles are. It was very Canadians. I don't think it was for, it was, it was, it was like, one of those Montreal comedy festivals. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was, where they had some, it was like somewhere, it was a long time ago. It was like, god,

I heard about 2000, one or something like that. Yeah, I vaguely remember when he was, uh, there was going to be, because he would talk about it doing this, uh, sit calm. Yeah, did it ever happen? I don't think so. No. It was a really nice guy though. Not what I expected at all. I expected him to be fucking insane, just like, just to be able to do that every night and not get bored with just completely fucking with people every day. It's, it's got to be

exhausting too, like mentally, because you're, you've got to remember, it's like,

“like, really great improv guys, where you have to remember all these details, bring them back 30 minutes”

later, right? And you're doing multiple characters. You ever see TJ and Dave? No, I'll do the best. Yeah. Well, it's, it's TJ, uh, Jada Gowski and Dave Pasquesi who were like the kings of that stuff in uh, out of Chicago and they come, they tore around, uh, and they're just their two guys who, uh, it starts off, you know, it's none of its plan, none of its, uh, and they have, like, a dedicated cult following, when they're in New York, it sells out like that. And you got to

go to, uh, at least two shows to see how wildly different it is. I mean, they're two guys that come out on stage, usually it was like three chairs, and it'll just start with like, uh, you know, how's it going? Good, good, good. Are you in line? No, no, no, and it, and then you watch it, like, oh, they're in line, where are they in line at? Do they know each other? And then it turns out they're at the DMV, but they're not, it's like a room outside the DMV, and then they will leave

and come back and be somebody else, right? A kid that was mentioned or a white for something, or being a car, and, and it all wraps up. It's all a big story, and, and I have seen, I've probably seen them 30, 40 times, and I've seen, uh, shows where that were more, that were funny, or more poignant than some place that had been worked on for years, you know, and it is better. Completely improvised? Completely 100%. Wow. Oh, they're, they're, I mean,

do you know Tim Meadows? Yeah. So Tim was a guest, sometimes a lot of a third or something.

I know it was, I don't know. Yeah, so, uh, I was, and Tim's been, you know, uh, SNL. Yeah, and it's gotst in the second city world for decades, and he said it was the most terrifying thing

“he's ever done, because you're, they're like genius level. I mean, the detail you have to remember,”

and then, and then on top of it, if one of them is, you know, I'm a marine biologist or whatever, it slips out, then that person has to know about the real person playing the fake marine biologist, has to know enough about marine biology to keep the thing going, you know, and it's just next level. It's almost time for spring break. So maybe you're headed to the beach or maybe you're taking the kids on a road trip or maybe you're just taking some extra time for yourself. No matter what,

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That's in 111 value at drinkag1.com/showrogan. Well, I don't imagine that's like a muscle that

ranting on a podcast alone. He doesn't, he doesn't have anybody with him. Most of his podcast are just him ranting and I've watched the development of it. I'm like, that's an amazing muscle to develop because you just get accustomed to that kind of scenario, that situation where it's just in your mind just gets used to producing content. And like old school AM late night radio guys, right? You don't have people calling in who are like talking about whatever and they got to do it

four or five times a week, three hours by themselves. Yeah, I always like to listen to them.

I just like to listen to those crazy right-wing, angry political talk shows because I don't, I didn't know anybody like that. So I was like, what is this guy doing? Well,

“that was the bulk of the radio. I mean that's why you have like art battle until”

Henry like a nice like, oh, okay, because I got all this, I got Mark Levin and I got, you know, what's his name? You know, the Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh, yeah. And when you first start listening, or when I first started listening, and I came out to LA from Boston, you know, and people were like,

there's this guy out here's fucking nuts, you know, and I'd never heard of him in Boston. And then

you're like, does he? How much of this stuff does he believe? Does he really believe? And how much has he come to believe? Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. And those guy, that was a whole fascinating thing in Wally George. Do you remember Wally George? I do, but I don't remember much about him. I remember the name. What did Wally George do? He was the guy who originated what, I mean, now it's really familiar. He remember Morton Downey Jr. He was a little after all. That's right. That's right.

“And he would, like, 83, and he was, and it was a super low budget, like, cable access. I think,”

back when that was a whole thing. And he'd get the audience would be Putin and Hollerin and he'd have

people on, like, somebody who, and sometimes they, I think, because it became popular sort of like with Morton Downey Jr., where people came on to quote unquote fuck with Wally George. Like, I'm going to pretend to be a, you know, a furry, and I'm going to, you know, have gauges and, and, you know what I mean? Like, just the archetype of the thing they want to yell at. And, uh, and I think people started, it was, there were some bullshit people on there. You know,

people lying about who they were, but he'd have people on and then, uh, and then kick them off. It happened all the time. Like, come on, sit down. Uh, what the fuck do you think you're doing? And everybody would yell at him. The person they start talking and like, "Get the fuck out of here." And that was, you know, especially, you know, and, uh, here's something really crazy. Uh, and, tell me if this is rumor, uh, look up at your magic computer,

Rebecca Demornese dad, the actress. That's, yeah. Wally George? Yes. No. Yeah. Really? Look it up. Casey, right? Jamie? Jamie? Jamie? I'm going to call you Casey. Who is, I forget who Rebecca Demornese was? From, um, risky business. Oh, wow. Wow, her dad, yeah, is Wally George. Wow.

That's crazy. Married multiple times. Shocker probably 10 potentially 10 times. At least six children. She didn't look at how many times he was married. One, two, three, four, oh, wow. Possibly 10. Possibly 10. You imagine, just keep fucking signing up. I don't, yeah. I just read, um, literally, the other day, uh, Fleetwood Mack guy. So getting married for the fifth time, he's 182. And he's getting, like, what? Stop.

Yeah. I want to keep doing that. They believe, they really believe this is it. This is the one.

“You have to say those vows and mean it each time. Right. Or not. Yeah. Or just say this is just”

a fun thing that I do. Yeah. Keep a lady happy. Yeah. Or just have a party. I guess. Yeah. Have a party and pretend that you're normal now. And you're married? Yeah. Yeah. How long you've been married? 17 years. Oh, nice. Yeah. It'll be 14 in October. If I get divorced, that's a rap. What do you mean? Like, I'm happy. Happy married. I don't want to get divorced. Not saying that.

ideally. I'm not having any more children. Yeah. So if I don't have any children, it makes no sense to legally

be bound to some person. Can we just hang out? I am 100% with you. I, I, and I was, I was never a

anti-marriage guy. But I just didn't think I'd get married because I didn't want to. And then eventually I met somebody who I wanted to marry. Yeah. So like, you just have to, it has to, I mean, that's the thing. It has to be the right person. Everybody who says that. Except while I George. But the idea of doing it 10 times is fucking insane. Yeah. That's a, they're doing a different thing.

“I think once you get, I'll give you three. And let's say one of them was some fishy circumstances.”

I'll give you three. Once you get on your, by the time you're going to be on your fourth or fifth, or six or rooper Murdock marriage, like, I, what is the point? And what does that woman believe you? What does it say about the lady? Well, what about ladies that do it? I've been here for six years and I know one lady. While I've been here, she's been married twice. Married in divorce twice

and now she's on the third guy. Yeah. I would look, I mean, that's just something about the guys,

right? I guess, yeah, man. If you, you wouldn't ever think like you meet somebody, you like them. And then you find out they've been married twice before in six years. Right. And you, and you were, like, starting a fall for her. You wouldn't think, wait a minute. Well, you would unless she was hot, matter dumb. Well, if she's hot and she's sexy and you really like being around, you're like, who cares? She made mistakes. Yeah. Who cares? I guess you're right. If the sex

“is that good? Yeah, the sex is good. She's hot and you're loved being around her. And that's what”

she wants. You want to make her happy? I'll do, I'll say this. You should find out, you should go talk to the other guys and have a sit down and find out why, you know, why is some guys don't want to mess it up for you. So they'll lie. They might not be accurate. You know, they might paint a dish. Also, they might have been the fuck up and they want to blame it on her. And then you'll get a distorted perception who she is. But then it's back to her

that she's marrying people. Right. Or fucked up. Just, I guess the point is that we're both making is don't get married. You know, what is a weird thing? It's a weird thing to do. Do you have children? I do. Yeah. It's a weird thing to do if you don't have children. Not weird, like you shouldn't do it. But it's a different thing. Yeah. It was completely. Yeah. And I would say that not that we, you know, my wife and I have any, you know, real issues. But I would

behave myself and stay and work at the marriage because of the kid. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

“Absolutely. It fucks kids up when people get divorced. What's your, what's your background?”

And my parents were just split up when I was five and my mother remarried when I was seven and has been with my stepdad ever since. Oh, that's good. Yeah. They have, they have a great relationship. I just saw them this weekend. And where did you go? Fucking everywhere. I was born in New Jersey, moved to San Francisco when I was seven, lived in San Francisco from seven to 11 in the height of the Vietnam War in hate Ashbury, like hippie town. And then Florida from 11 to 13. That's

the opposite of Francisco. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's the first time I found out about the end word.

I didn't know what it meant. And I remember I had to ask my mom. Yeah. I had to ask my mom. I never

heard it. It's ever just go. Never heard it. Wow. San Francisco in the 1970s, when I was, you know, between seven and 11 was kind of a wild, amazing time. It was really weird. It was because we were in the middle of like the counterculture and moved Berkeley all that's thought. Yeah. We lived right down the street from Lumbard Street. So we're, you know, we were like in the middle of it all, you know, and it's funny because it was during that time that the Vietnam War ended when I was,

I think I was, when did Vietnam end? 74. I think 74? Especially seven April 35. Okay. Yeah. So it was like, wholves. Whatever. The point is like, at that time, I remember thinking,

that thought over, although it was. What a naive child. Oh, I was like, woo. Because my stepfather had,

“he didn't get drafted. He got lucky. He just didn't get picked. And I knew a guy, some guy that was”

friend of the family that had moved Canada. He's like, fuck this. He took off to Canada. So I was aware of that. Like how people are leaving the country so that they don't have to go to war. Like this, because you're a little kid. Everything's fucking scary. Especially if you come from, you know, broken home and, you know, like, the concept of a draft or a description, the idea like, oh, you may have to go and you're going to learn how to shoot a gun and then go shoot strangers.

Yeah. Kids, you know, like that, it's got to be terrifying if you're a kid. No, it was insane. And it was also, there was also the time where, you know, my stepdad was a hippie. And my parents were hippies and when, I was going to ask, what did your, sorry to interrupt, but why did they move around

“so much? My stepfather was a computer programmer initially and then he wanted to become an architect.”

So he went to school in San Francisco and then a university of Florida and Gainesville and then Boston Architectural Center. So we moved to Boston when I was 13. So that was what it was. It was him coming an architect. Right. And so, like, they, they didn't like sports. They weren't into anything like that. And then when Muhammad Ali was opposing the Vietnam War, he became this counterculture hero. Sure. Yeah. And I remember it was my parents sat down and watched Muhammad Ali versus Leon

Spinks because he was trying to win his title back. And they were rooting for Muhammad Ali. I'm like, this is crazy. Like, this guy stands on the Vietnam War has made my parents fans of his

to the point where they're going to watch boxing. Like, they never watch boxing. They didn't want

to have anything to do with anything violent. They hated it. But they wanted to watch that one boxer to watch if you were anti, you know, hitting or boxing or whatever. It was Muhammad Ali. It was a

“strategist, you know. He was, but quite honestly, by that stage of his career, he had slowed”

down considerably. Yeah. And he, he just wasn't. Remember the Leon Spinks because he Leon beat him. Yeah. And then he beat Leon in the rematch. Right. This is the rematch. Right. And that was the big one. They were all glued to the TV. But I remember thinking, this is crazy. They're watching boxing because of this guy's position on the Vietnam War. Have you seen when we were kings? Yes. Yeah. It's great. It's amazing. Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. He was a God. You want to

talk about a unique human being. Like, a one of one. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And, you know,

outside of, you know, Mike Tyson, there was never any kind of figure like that in boxing, you know.

I mean, there was minor, sort of little bit, but not not to that extent, because he wasn't a cultural figure. Right. Muhammad Ali represented something during the Silver Rights Movement. Like, any changes name? Yeah. Muhammad Ali. Right. Right. That was a big thing, too. People were terrified of Muslims. Yeah. At the time. And still. It was good to say at the time. Yeah. But it was a different kind of Muslims. You know, that was, um, well, the, the, they were the,

you know, the government was really good about portraying every black urban person is like potentially, you know, Muslim brotherhood, 12 tribes. Right. Right. Right. Those guys. They're still around. The Israelite, 12 tribes. Oh, those guys. Yeah. They used to be, uh, these to hang out and hang out. What do you mean? They used to be in the Times Square, like, you know, yelling and, uh, and preaching. I hung out with those guys one day. I wrote a piece about it for my website,

because I went, I was going home, uh, was one of those living in New York and I was walking on the street and there's just guys standing there with like a microphone, a little speaker. Yeah. And they would read things for the Bible. Yep. And they would translate it and they had this very bizarre translation. Everybody was black. George Washington was black. Everyone was black. They were explaining to me. You know, the, the, the so-called Jew, their black Israelites,

the so-called Jews, the thing that they were always like. Well, they're Jewish. Yeah. You don't

have to say the so-called. Yeah. It was great. But they're, their whole thing was there was a, uh, a 12th tribe of the Israelites that were black that have been, you know, a, written out a history. Yeah. That was a thing. Yeah. They also informed me that I'm not white. There was a relief.

oh, it's like the, because they hated white people. So I was just talking to this, because I was bored.

You know, I was just, so I was talking to this guy. I was just having him explain everything to me. And he informed me, don't wear a man. You're not white. I was like, oh, okay, that's good. That's good. No, so you can hang out. You can hang out with the guys. You don't hate me. But it was, uh, very odd, very odd. They were all dressed like superheroes. They're, these crazy, like, Avenger costumes on. Yeah. And, and, uh, like, jewelry. Yeah.

Big, huge buildings around the neck. Yeah. Yeah. Very odd stuff. There's still, you don't see him like, you used to, but there's still out there.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're out there. But I mean, like, in literally in New York at, you know, periphery of

time square. Yeah. Last time I was in Philadelphia, I saw them. Yeah. They were out there on the street with the microphones. Yeah. Yeah. It's an odd group. When were you in New York? I was in New York. I moved to New York in 91. Yeah. So I started standing up in 88 in Boston. And, uh, I got picked up by my manager who I'm still with when I was essentially an open-micer. Who is that? Jeff Sussman. How do I not know Jeff Sussman? He handles Kevin James. Was he a Boston guy? No, he was in New York.

Okay. Okay. So the story was, he had, um, what was his name? Fuckin, the guy who had all the crazy costumes, he was on the Rodney Danger Peel Special Bob. Oh, Bob Nelson. Bob Nelson. Yeah.

So he handled Bob Nelson. He, he, the Cleveland Browns. Yeah. He put the helmet on and he had boxing gloves.

He did a bunch of different characters. So Bob, who is a big act. You know, he had HBO special the whole deal at the time. Um, he found Jesus. Oh. And, uh, in his basement, I guess, there's something around the neighborhood somewhere. Okay. But he, uh, had this guy who is his prayer partner that was going to take over his manager. And so this was my manager's big client. So he's like, fuck, like, I got to, I got to go find some other, did he just stop doing stand-up? Because I don't

“know, I think I don't know if he still does stand-up. I don't know. I knew his career, my manager's”

really good in these very smart and he did a great job guiding Bob. But I think sometimes when people, like, have like a big religious moment like that, like, maybe that becomes more of their life than he was all in. Yeah. Yeah. He was all in with Christianity. And so, um, my manager said, well, I kind of know most of the comics in New York. Let me see if I'm not missing people in Boston. And so he traveled to Boston with a friend of his, one of the guys that own governors and, uh,

they came. Well, governors was Bob's room wasn't. Yes. Yeah. I don't know. One of the rooms that he worked at. Yeah. And so they came down to Boston. I just randomly went up one night at, um, duck soup. Remember duck soup? Duck soup. Duck soup was, it became the improv after a while.

“It was, um, I don't remember that. Billy Downs in, um, oh, partly. Paul Barclay. I think it was actually”

Billy, I think it was Paul's thing. So they split at that point. I think I'm not sure about that, but, but what it was is, it was Paul's idea, believe. It was a much more high-end room, like it was really nice. And it was right across from Dix. So it was in the below area where the Wiltern is. Okay. So you know where the Wiltern is, which is now the big, you know, where Bill Blumenwright does come in connection with his Wilbert, right? Yeah. Is that it? The Wilbert. It's the Wil, okay. I'm thinking

to Wiltern's L.A. Wiltern's L.A. Right? I know Wiltern about the Wilbert, right? You're right. So downstairs, the Wilbert, it was you'd go down and it was a really nice room. Okay. And, uh, I was a limo driver at the time. I was driving limos and, uh, driving a limo in Boston. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. That's doing for a job. That's fucking, I mean, I just mean the literal streets of Boston are tough to navigate with any vehicle. But yeah, a limo at extra half a car to it.

Yeah. It was, it wasn't that bad. It was mostly airport pickups. Yeah. You know, a lot of it was town cars, people up in town cars. But, uh, when you drive around a lot, uh, that's when I would come up with my best ideas. And, uh, I had an idea for a joke. And I called God, I can't remember who the guy was. Fuck, I can't believe I'm blanking on his name. He was a really cool dude,

“who is the manager of the club. And I could call him up and say, hey, can I get a guest spot?”

And he gave me a guest spot that night. I wasn't even supposed to be on the show.

I probably would have been nervous and probably bombed. Yeah. And I had no idea he was there. Wow. And then he came up to me afterwards and gave me his card and he said, can I see you tomorrow? I said, okay. And then he just went for a ride to the airport. So I did a set at the connection the next night. And then he asked me to come to New York and audition there. And then wow. Next thing you know, I was living in New York. It was like three years

“later. Very cool. And then that was crazy, crazy story. And, uh, and what did you move out to LA?”

94. 93. Like first came out 93 and then moved in 94. I came out to 93 for a pilot. I did a pilot

on Fox called Hardball with Jim Brewer and a bunch of other people. It was a baseball sitcom on Fox that got canceled. It was terrible. Yeah. And then the only reason why I stayed, I hated LA. But the only reason why I stayed was because I had got an apartment and I had a lease for a year. So like fuck. Like I have to stay here. And so I stayed for a whole, and then I got a development deal for NBC. And I was there in the middle of this whole development deal. And then they

said, we have a pilot that we already filmed, but we're going to fire one of the cast members. We want you to audition for this. And that was New York. So I got to watch. Who, uh, did you replace? Well, unfortunately, it was Ray Romano who was a good friend of mine was fired during the pilot. And so they replaced him with another guy and that guy got fired. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it wasn't, I would have felt terrible. Yeah. If it was Ray, but it was Ray being replaced. I was like,

good fuck that guy. I'll do it for Ray. Do you remember who the other guy was? I do not. He was just an actor.

Some guy. I mean, I never met him. I'm sure he's a nice guy. But luckily for Ray, he goes on the

does everybody loves Rayman and becomes huge. And I just stumbled into this fucking show with no acting experience. That was fun set. I remember, I remember it was because they did it a couple times. And and also like that was not my first, but one of the first experiences I had with multi-camera sitcoms, you know, you're like, uh, this is literally the easiest job on planet Earth. Oh, yeah. It is the, you have one full day. You have like a full, think Thursday, right? Yeah. And then

Fridays like Happy Day. Yeah. Monday, come in, listen to this read the script. Go away. Yeah, it's the filming day that's the long day. Yeah. It's not that bad. I mean, especially once we got loose, the first season was hard. The first season was 12, 14 hour days because it was like, they were trying to figure out what the show was. Yeah. But once it got rolling, it was pretty amazing. So I had only been doing stand-up for six years. I'd only been, I had done no acting. I have

a, uh, they maybe get an acting coach for a little while in New York, which I think was counterproductive, who's for a pilot, for the pilot, the Fox pilot. Oh, yeah. Well, how's, how's an acting coach going to help you with a sitcom? It's about, it's about instinct. It's about, well, they were giving me a lot of

“money. They gave me like a hundred and a million dollars like you have to learn how to act. Right. Do”

you know how to act? I've never acted. I'm just saying like, I know, to deliver sitcom lines as

you don't need an acting teacher. Right, Joseph. That's a limber up the body. Yeah, you're not Daniel Day Lewis. Yeah. You're not doing, there will be blood. It was a, it was weird because it wasn't anything. I think the reason why it worked out so well is because it was never anything that I wanted. So there was no wait to it. It wasn't like, oh my god, this is it. Yeah. I am on the sitcom. I'm acting. It was more like, this is crazy. I can't believe I'm doing this. You know, it was more like, wow,

I can't believe I get to do this. But, you know, the real thing for me was to be able to be an L.A. and go to the comedy store. That to me was more, that was more huge than like, when I got past at the comedy store, that to me was like way bigger than being on a sitcom. I was like, holy shit.

“Like, because at that, you know, like, it's six years in. I was like, am I even, is this going to work out?”

Like, I don't even know this is going to work out. Well, it's also not glamorous in any way. That aspect of working is there's nothing glamorous about a sitcom. You know what I mean? It's not the thing that when you're not in an L.A. or Hollywood and you're sitting back in your, you are told about the glamorous lifestyle, the parties and all that stuff. It's literally, you're driving to work and you're going to work. You know? Yeah, but it was glamorous in a sense

that you were on television and that was very weird to me. It was very strange to watch it on TV and

it never was, it never even occurred to me. When I lived in Boston, I remember me in fitsimmons,

used to, we used to dream about the day when we could pay our bills telling jokes. That was

“all of us. I hear you. It was just like, oh God, I would see guys like DJ Hazard. I remember,”

I went to look at this apartment and DJ Hazard lived in the same building and it was this converted schoolhouse and there's loft departments and I like a second floor where the bedroom was, it looked over the living room. I was like, God, this is the pace for this with jokes. Yeah. This was like the most amazing thing. Like that's all I wanted. I saw these like Don Gavin and Steve Swenie. I was like, imagine being a pair of bills just telling jokes. Untie my ankles in the

morning and for that. Yeah, I did Hazard. Yeah. I was like to say something. Oh, do you know fitsimmons Paul Barclay story or Bill Downs The Watch? Bill Downs. It was Bill Downs. Which one?

“How's it going? Oh, I don't, you should get it from him because it's his story, but”

and I don't want to, I feel like it's his to tell, but it's fucking great. It's just, it's bringing up something in my memory. So, so Bill owed everybody money, right? And like he still, you know, those guys owe me whatever it is at this point, you know, what $300, $500 or just, you go there and they would just do it. Everybody was big guy, remember? Yeah. I'll pay soon, big guy. Oh, the word, and then do you remember when Bill adopted the girls? Yes,

criminals, right? He, yeah, and he would use them like as, because at a certain point, it didn't help to go to the connection or go to the clubs and you had to go to their fucking office. If you want it, nobody's going to call you back or whatever and you like, I got to get on the

“team, go to their office and that's the only way I'm going to get money. So if I show up and he's”

in a good mood and it's not going to happen from a phone call and I'd go there every single time I was like, dude, I got to pay my rent and I mean, I got nothing and you'll me, you know, $385 and back then that was huge and, oh, cross, I just listen. So I get these, my kids, one of my

kids is sick and whatever, it's always this fucking excuse and then, you know, it was still the

coke residual and the bottom is nosing. But so he'll fit Simmons a chunk of money like, like, significant amount, like, 1,500, 1,800 bucks, like something, something meaty, you know, especially for back then and you ask Greg, because I feel, I feel like, no, tell the story, I'm sure Greg told it to me. Okay, I can have pretty close. I just remember it in my head, I do remember part of it, but I don't know the whole story. All right, so Greg was booked at this, you know, some shit

club and New Hampshire or whatever and downs was going to be there, bills going to be there and and he goes, he goes there and he goes, oh, Bill, I forgot my watch. I don't want to go over, can I borrow your watch and he's like, yeah sure, it's like a Rolex, like some fancy fancy fancy fancy watch and Greg had this all planned out. Oh, I know the story. Yeah, and then he had like heart in a specific place and then he gets, he's like, all right, thanks and he's like, all right,

don't forget to give it back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he does his set and then he bolts out the back door, gets in his car drives home back to Boston and then Bill calls him, hey, yeah. So, I thank you,

forgot to give me my watch back and Greg just basically goes, yeah, you want it back,

give me the 1800 bucks, you owe me and then met him at a restaurant or a diner somewhere in a public place, give me the cash, and I'll give you your watch and it was just genius. Yeah, that's Greg. Yeah, yeah, those days are fun. Next comment stop used to offer to pay you in cocaine or cash. I do, so I did mix and the only, I've said this multiple times. The only, I'm extremely lucky that I was in Boston when I was in Boston, because the comedy boom's going on and outside of,

NYX. I mean, I was the opposite. They, you know, had that the vague feeling of high school or

the weirdo and people want to fuck with you and throw you in the trash can. And so I got lucky because they were just spots, they just needed bodies. So I worked all the time, you know, not, you know, not great gigs, but I had, it was all cash, you know, under the table, and they just needed bodies to, to, you know, go up and do 15 minutes, 20 minutes, whatever, at some cowboy bar and Fitsburg or whatever, Fitsburg. Anyway, so I get this, I get a week at NYX,

and, and I, I'm not doing well at all. I think I'm opening up for Kevin Knox. So, not my crowd, and I didn't have the tracksuit. And, you know, Knox is up there doing, uh, hey, you know why, you know why Bill Buckner didn't catch the ball or get the ball? Uh, it's the 86 World Series, because he heard it that aides on it. Okay. All right. Yeah, that's a real joke. That's a real joke. And they loved it. Oh, yeah, so of course in that aides. Uh, 96. And then, do you remember this?

“What does he stand for? No. What? How do you disinfect a dick sucker? Oh, I do remember that.”

I do remember. Oh, my God. And, uh, audio's infected dick sucker. Oh, my God. Yeah. So,

uh, I titled one of the tracks in my first album, I think, first or second album,

what if baseballs had aides on them? Just, just, just, uh, I'm fucking eating it, right? So, they're, they're, they're peeling back my, uh, time as the week goes on. And, uh, and I am, I mean, uh, if I'd done, even okay, I wouldn't have had this feeling. They're already kind of intimidating, right? Super, ma, the very mob. Very mob. And do you remember where the, you'd walk in a mix and there was like the podium and then behind, a little behind it is this little

room with a curtain, right? And it's, uh, not big at all. And I went to go get paid my week was over. And I'm, and I've just, you know, eaten it, each shit, every single night, every single shit. And, um, and they're all eating, it's like a scene from, like, they're all eating, like, you know, manicati, right? Right. And they make it any better with the fucking napkins in their, uh, you know, and they're shirt like this. And, uh, and I go, uh, hey, nervous is shit. Just, hey, uh, so Dom,

uh, I need to, uh, if I can get paid, I, uh, just for the, you know, whatever. And Dom,

“it goes to whoever I can't remember the guy's name, uh, his kind of lackey there. And he goes,”

you know, whatever his name was, you know, Paul, he go pay the kid. And he's, I've been erupted his dinner. He's not happy. Fucking napkin off to the, uh, takes me to judge, we go up to the offices upstairs, and there's a safe, and it's open, and there's cash, and there's a gun. This is just open, right? And he gives me, you get some money, and he gives it to me. And I just pick it up. I want to get the fuck out of there, and I pick it up and Lee's like, and you're

going to count it. Uh, no, I'm good. I trust you. I trust you. And I just bolted. I never went back

there again. I was, I was so fucking intimidated, and that wasn't a timid any place. Oh, dude, the whole thing about it. Every the Dominic, the all those guys. Yeah. Yeah. And everyone's doing blow, and, you know, the performers are at least, you know, it was a maniacal time where all those, there was one time where Nick's was running three consecutive shows, so they had their main room upstairs. There was a dance club down in the bottom, and there was one of the room, somewhere in that

building, and guys would go, like guys like Don Gavin and Steve's when he, they would go and do a set, a set, a set, a set, a set, a set, and these guys were just raking in money. Oh, yeah. And constantly

“doing it. No, it's not paying their taxes. Yeah. Yes. And that's what got them all. Yeah. That,”

well, they, I mean, back in the heyday, and it went, it went out for years. It was years and years of this. I mean, you, you could go down, you know, 128 and do count wounds or whatever, and then

soldiers. Yeah. And just go in a straight line and go back and forth and do nine fucking shows

“and make a shit ton of money cash under table tons of blow. Yeah. And yeah. It was a wild place”

because there were so many comics and it was such a, Boston's not a big city, you know, and to have so much comedy all come out. You've seen, um, Françal Amida's documentary. I haven't. I got it. It's really great. It stands up stood out. Yeah. It's really, I got it. It's really great. It's really great. And it goes all the way back to Krimans and the Dingo. And I, that was before my time. I started in an 88. So the Dingo was already gone. Yeah. You know, you heard legendary stories from

the Dingo. Yeah. Did you see, call me lucky? No. Oh, you got to see that. It's Bob Katz, documentary about Barry. Oh, no, wait a minute. I did see that. It's fucking great. I did see that. It's really well done. I don't mean just like if even if you don't know Barry,

“just a story in the way he lays out the path of the film is, it's great. I had Barry on like”

right after it came out. I had him on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. He's a, he's a legend and, you know, huge inspiration. He was an intimidating guy. Yeah. That was the guy that was cared of because he was like, he was the guy who was sort of the standard. Like he made sure there was no hacks. Yeah. He made sure there was, you know, like he set the standard. You know, he was really equitable to. Yes. Yes. Very politically active, even like way back then, like really knowledgeable,

like really understood what was going on in the world. And did you ever see his or one of his

state of the union shows? No. They're fucking amazing. So he would go, I saw a couple of them

at the old stitches. And he would go up and it was when they're the state of the union was happening. He'd go up and he'd do his state of the union. It was just him. And he would go on and he'd have like, you know, it was pre PowerPoint. But it was whatever the equivalent of, you know, a screen behind them with stuff. And he'd go up there with a cooler, like a legit big cooler of beer because that mother fucker could drink. Yeah. And he would just start, he had a podium. And he would just crack

beers and just down a case of beer, half a case of beer and just do his stuff, you know,

extemporaneous stuff. I mean, stuff prepared, but about, you know, the state of the union and all that. It was, and it would always be packed.

Like, and you'd see Dennis Leary and, you know, every single comic would be there, you know, trying up against the walk as it was packed. But it was great. I mean, legendary. Well, I mean, I think he was really responsible for a lot of what Boston comedy became, you know, because he was the guy that was kind of the gold standard. And he started the Dingo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he, it's like, becoming friends with him was like, who, like, such a relief. Because I was a terrified of him. Yeah. When I was a young comic, like,

back, I thought I sucked if he hated me. I was like, I'm fucking doomed. Yeah. You know, because he was this character. He would go on stage with a sport code on and reaching to his inner pocket and pull out a

“Budweiser for every show. Remember that? I don't, but I mean, I know he drank a lot. Yeah, but he would”

bring his own beer. It was part of his thing. He would go on stage, just reach into his pull out a Budweiser and set it down on the stool. I, the only drink American beer. Is that true? Yeah, drink Budweiser. I wonder why that is? I don't know. It was like kind of a patriot. Hey, I, he doesn't seem like he would the kind of guy who would have denied himself. Well, I mean, maybe it was performative. I don't know. Was there Madello even did he exist at the time?

But yeah, he was, uh, he was the only guy I would say that, uh, and to your point, like all these other legendary comics, you know, Lenny Clark and Don Gavin and Steve Sweeney and all those guys was the only guy that those guys were kind of walking on eggshells. Yes. The only guy, they'd give all each other shit. Yeah. Like, and mean shit, too. Yeah. Oh, they would fight. Oh, yeah, Barry was the one guy they were. Yeah, fuck with him. Well, he was different than all of them,

and that he was incredibly well-read. Like, really well-read, really knowledgeable about all sorts of things with economics and the way the world works, the injustices of our society. But really funny,

He was the glue that held that scene together because they all looked at him to be like, like, you can't kind of step out of line. Like, you don't want to get catch berries are. Yeah, it's absolutely true. Yeah. And then when the revelation he had of being abused as a kid, and then he dedicated, he was spoken from a Congress. Yeah. He did about AOL. AOL. Yeah, those during the early days of AOL for people that don't know, they had all these chat rooms and sexual predators were

using these chat rooms to find children. Yeah. And also to exchange pornographic material. Yeah. And that was, that was, that becomes a big part of, uh, call me lucky, you know, right? Um,

right. And yeah, he like dedicated his life, basically, to just, uh, going out and

catching these motherfuckers. Yeah. And, and helping, you know, uh, the people who would pose as kids and stuff. And that was, you know, that was his. And he was also, uh, you know, lapsed Catholic. And when all the, especially in Boston, the Catholic Church and Dicees and all that stuff was coming out, he was, I mean, that was his fucking love. Yeah. Yeah. Getting these

“fuckers caught, you know, exposed. But I think it took someone like him that was, he was levels”

above most of the other comedians in terms of his understanding of the world and his ability to articulate it and also a great comic. So that, like, people looked at him like, well, this guy's like, he's clearly smarter than all of us. He's, he's also like super dedicated to the craft of comedy, like mental, a lot to him. And the integrity of comedy, like what it is to be a comics. You know, when he came from, uh, and I think this is kind of a specific to Boston too. He came from a

jock, where he was a minor league, uh, or, or whatever, sub minor league, uh, catcher. He played, is it Syracuse University, and he played for, like, the Cape Cod League, and, you know, the things that eventually you get to minor leagues, hopefully. Um, but, and he came from that hard

“drink and, you know, and, and catcher is arguably the smartest guy in the baseball team, right?”

Right. He's the night guy making the calls for the pitches. See, and everything defensive liners. So he came from that world too, which I think helped his cred. Yeah. Well, it's just such an

unusual town in what happened there that these guys became these local legends, where they never

had to leave, and they kind of did the same act for decades, which was also kind of crazy. That, to me, was like, I knew there was definitely a, uh, as I started to separate from that world a little bit, and, uh, and just kind of evolving as a comedian, and there was like the catch seen and, um, catcher writing star. And, uh, that was a thing that was an early, I just didn't get it. Like why are you doing the same? There's no joy in it, right? You would drive some of these

guys, because they get fucked up, and you were happy to have all the work, and you'd go up and do 15, and they do half-hour, and you'd get in the car, and you'd go somewhere else, and, and these guys

“doing, my daughter meant that way. You would do is remember Rosie the bounty, the quicker picker”

upper, the bounty. Yeah. Okay, so he had, there was like, so the commercials were like Rosie, and it was like the scrappy, the waitress at a diner. Remember it was like a character that was in all the, it was like the, you know, mascot of whatever, bounty, the quicker picker upper, and her character was kind of like feisty, as in these commercials ran for years, you know, different, like, "Ah, you don't do this, do this." And his bit was about taking a gun out and shooting her.

It was funny, you'd see it the first time, but it's like, "Do that hasn't been on the air in

fucking ten years." And he's still doing this. Ah, yeah, Rosie, I got something for you. Yeah, I got, I got some advice for you. Like, what the fuck? And there was, okay, wait, Joe. Did you read there? So, uh, Ed, the machine regime? Oh, yeah, I remember him. So, he wore the suit?

and then a different character. Yep. Tina Turner. And, uh, guy, the, like, mob guy. I can't remember

“the rest of him, and then, you know, whatever. I think he had a turban in one of them. I'm sure he did.”

So, he goes to jail for rolling back. Oh, dominors, dominors. Yes, that's right. He gets caught. And he was, you know, car salesman, I think at a, and Rhode Island, I believe. And he got caught rolling back to your Donners. He goes to jail for a year and a half. And I, uh, I was shooting this movie. This is decades later. And I was shooting this movie and it was on a cruise ship and the cruise ship, uh, Ed, the machine regime is the headliner at the comedy venue on the cruise ship. And I'm like,

oh, shit. That's crazy. I haven't seen this guy in forever. And he's, he's back to in comedy. Okay. And I go there and he does, I don't know, 40 minutes. The same fucking act from 15 years ago. It's like, you don't have one, you spent 18 months in prison. You don't have one joke. No, one mother fucking observation, even if you lie and say, you know, you don't be weird if you were in prison. And whatever, you had no one of anything. It's weird. It was a weird thing. And it only existed

“with them. Yes, comics in the country were writing new material all the time. It was, I remember”

that feeling of I must be different because I'm not, I don't, that is such a distasteful thing. Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that. Well, there was two, I saw two traps there. One of them was that

and the other one was never leaving. Yeah. They never left Boston. And when they did leave Boston,

they had so much local material that their act was like cut down by like 40%. And there were a lot of people, their peers who would give them shit. Like, uh, and it was all just kind of resentful jealousy, small-minded, small-town kind of like, oh, you think you're better than us, which is a Boston thing, too, that. Oh, you think you're so, you think you're so hot. Now that you, uh, you're hot tight, you go, you get some, you go to Hollywood, you go there. Yeah, fuck you. This is, you know,

it was a real provincial working class kind of attitude, you know, but they looked down on and they, you know, they would give Larry shit all the time, you know, like sell out this bullshit weird, sell out to weird one because they would also hold out. It just wasn't available. Well, they were all mad at Stephen Wright. Like, yeah, because so Stephen Wright was like, how can you get mad at Stephen Wright? Well, not mad at him, but bitter because of his success, because he went and left,

yeah, he went and left, did the tonight show, right, became huge, so unusual, so different, and they came to Boston, the tonight show came to Boston, to look for comics, and Stephen Wright was the one they chose, and all these other guys were like, he's a fucking middle act, like, this bullshit, like, that guy bombs half the time, because his, his act to me was a lot like, head bird, in that, if you didn't know what he was doing and you came to see specifically, like, if head bird,

there's a famous story of head bird was on the road in Ohio, and they had this guy, it was an opening act to do like backflips and fucking sing rap songs. It was, it was a disaster, and head bird kept bombing, and so they switched them and made head bird to middle act and tried to fuck them on the money and Stan hope got into it with the owner of the club, and we kind of big thing, but once head bird got an audience, then people knew what they were coming to see,

and then he was amazing, and then everybody wanted to see that. That was kind of the same

with Stephen Wright, like if you expected, if you're on a show with Steve Sweeney and Lenny Clark and all these big energy fucking Boston guys, and then, you know, used to work at a fire hydrant factory, couldn't park anywhere near the place, you know, like, it's just for whatever reason, you know, well, it's all so that other comedy is, and I'm not taking anything away from those guys, and the bits were great, but the other comedy is a little easier, it just, you get it.

“Yes, and Stephen Wright, you got to think about it for a second. It was abstract, it was low key,”

it was all non-secreters, it was one to another, and so when he left and took off, a lot of guys, apparently were like, this is fucking bullshit, like when's my turn gonna happen? Yeah, I can see that, he's like, yeah, I mean, that was, it was so, I mean, no other scene had that kind of weird

but they were huge there, so if they lived there, they could make like a couple hundred thousand dollars a year, just running around and cash. Yeah, and not ever have to worry about anything, and they played golf all day, so there's two things that scared me, one of them was golf, because I saw that when you play golf, you kind of stop trying with your comedy. It's a slippery slope, so it's a gateway. Yeah, drug. Well, it's your, you're out there for fucking eight hours a day,

like Knoxie was always playing golf, and then the other thing was like, if you never left,

you had no chance of developing like a national audience, where you could go to a club in Philadelphia,

“you could go to a club, they couldn't do the road, and I remember thinking, oh, this is a trap.”

Yeah, for sure, absolutely. I mean, and as you said, they half of their stand-up was like, you'd have to know about, you know, store-o-drive, or fucking Johnny Most. Yeah, I've never done a bit as bad about Johnny Most. It was amazing, but it was like he was doing that bit long after Johnny Most was dead, so like 20 people in the audience would be howling laughing, and everybody else like, who the fuck is Johnny Most? Yeah. It was weird because it was like a velvet prison.

It was like how I describe like really great comics that get jobs in the writer's room, and I'm like, you got to be careful. Like, that's a velvet prison. Because if you get stuck in that

writer's room and you never do the road, you never put out specials, you're never going to get an audience.

You're always going to be beholden to an employer. You're always going to have to have a job, and there's great comics that got trapped with that. But wouldn't you say that if they, yes, it's a trap, but if they didn't have the wherewithal or foresight or willpower to get out of that trap, then they probably weren't meant to do that. Perhaps, but sometimes they get a mortgage and then they get a family, and then they're stuck. That's the trap. Yeah. Family. That's calling for what it is.

Yeah. That's crap. And well, in a lot of ways, it can be if you're trying to be an actual national low. Like, do you know Owen Smith, uh, comedy in LA? No. One of the top 20 best comics on earth. He's fucking brilliant. He's so funny. Owen Smith. Owen Smith. Okay.

Saw him at the comedy store. And I remember the first time I saw him at the comedy store, I'm like,

how is this guy not fucking huge? He's so funny. He's so good. He's like, he has this bit about adopting a white kid and naming him the n-word. Is this like, really? It's a really funny, well-crafted bit. Like, all of his bits are like brilliantly written. He's a great performer, he's super likeable.

“Got writers gigs, and just, he does the mothership a couple times a year, I believe,”

at least once a year, um, but just doesn't get out. Who does he write or what, oh, I think he's a showrunner now. Oh, well, yeah. So it took it to another level. Yes. But, you know, just got jobs writing when he was struggling as a comic and those jobs eventually led to a house. And but maybe he, you know, was like, I, you, you watch him and you love him, right? Because you see a lot of stand up and you're like, a lot of it's shit, and this guy's fucking great, great writer.

But maybe he doesn't see it that way, and he's quite happy to have. He does, he does see it that way. I've talked to him about it. Yeah. He kind of knows, just doesn't know what to do now, because he's a showrunner. He's making money. Yeah, and there's a lot of responsibility. There's also not a lot of shows anymore, which is, it's a real problem. It's a real problem.

“Banked on being a showrunner in the 90s. And that's what you, you know, through your hat into.”

And then all of a sudden, that thing seems to have dwindled to like 20% of what used to be. It's, yeah. It's, uh, I used to be quite happy with the idea that I knew, you know, back in the day when your pitch and shows and stuff and trying to develop things and you go, this, uh, let's not waste our time going to these five places. This is not a show for them. This is a show for these three places. This, this is, this kind of show. Now I have no fucking clue. I, you know,

come up with like Bob and I pitched a show sold the pitch. Uh, there was like, even, there were like four, I think we pitched it at eight places. Four of them kind of bid. We took, what we thought was the best deal. Um, and then wrote the, it was a limited series, eight episodes, um, wrote the first four, and it was Bob and his brother Bill, who was big Simpsons guy and, uh, uh, it was good. And then they said, uh, the, the quote was, uh, marketing and

didn't, and we, and we had four episodes that you could look at, and then we had the Bible for the next four in the outlines and everything was, and it was fucking funny. On the page it was funny. Then we're like, so here's the cast. We're going to have these amazing people, uh, and Bob and I, as different, uh, cult leaders. And, um, I mean, and if, that's such a rare thing when it starts off on the page funny, and by the time you get a great cast, and then you get on set, and you're like,

what if we do this, and then you get into the post and, and start playing around with, I mean,

“it's just, it was a really cool thing, and, uh, yeah, marketing and analytics. That's what you're”

dealing with now. Well, I mean, that is kind of always, at least in the case. I, I'm not Anna, I mean,

they, they would have to say, uh, I mean, analytics is technical. I mean, marketing, I, I don't know how to help you, man. I can give you some advice. I don't, uh, you know, I think that's a shitty way to market it, but, you know, the, you know, that world, and, uh, but analytics is about the algorithm and all that shit. This recent, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right after, shortly after COVID, it's amazing how many incredibly unimpressive people are responsible for putting out shows.

The people that you communicate with of the executives, you're like, this has got to be a mistake. Like, how did you get this job? And I experienced that early on, like, at the first pilot that I was on, the, um, the first, first pilot was on hardball. The pilot was actually very funny, because it was written by Jeff Martin and Kevin Kern, they were from the Simpsons, and they also wrote on married with children. Great guys, but they were writers. They were like, these, like,

quiet kind of soft spoken guys, and, you know, they ran the pilot, and then they brought in a show

“runner from coach. Remember that show coach? Yeah. And this guy just fucked the whole show and turned it”

into this like, "Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't." It was like this clunky, bad joke, like, really up. It just happens more than you think. And the people behind the scenes, like, the executives, it was astonishing how little of them had any creative ideas. It was, they were just hoping that it would work, and ego. It's like ego, and I'm an executive. So I'll tell you what's good and what's not good, and we understand this because we're Fox. And yeah, I was like, this is nuts. Like, this is,

this is how it works behind the scene. I thought you'd get behind the scene and be always fucking geniuses

that it put together all these television shows. They had an understanding of, like, how let people be creative and put it, put a show together and let it, let it fucking run out and the, the, the runs, like, when you're running through the script, like, it's like a little boy who thought, uh, what is that? Yeah, it's a thing. Finally, they're going to figure it out. Yeah, very naive. But I naively stumbled into that exact, right thing with news radio. Right. So when I got on a news radio, which I would say

some of those execs that you're, uh, describing, they probably stumbled into, yes, the success of it. Well, you know, Paul Sims, who was brilliant, was coming from the Larry Sandershow. So Larry Sandershow, huge success genius show. And so they knew this guy was special and the super smart guy, like, funny and had a great group of writers and put together a great pilot and then, you know, recast the one role that I came in for. And so I'm there on this set and it was like, you know,

it took long hours to figure it out. But they let everybody do whatever they wanted to do. Like, Paul's approach was so different than anybody else. Like, Dave Foley was like the secret producer of like half of that show. Half of the way the scenes were put together, half of the jokes that were in it were all Dave Foley on set, running through the script with the cast, coming up with better ideas. Oh, I didn't know that. They let, yeah, do anything. Like,

sometimes they'd say, can we see it as written? And then you'd give it to him as written,

and then they'd be like, I like your idea better. Like Paul was, that's great. Fucking amazing with

“that. Yeah. And so once I did that, I was like, I think I'm done with this because I don't”

think it's ever going to be better than any better than this. It's rare, man. Yeah. It was super rare. I auditioned for like one or two other ones that were terrible just because I wanted money, you know, and I'm like, and I'm like, maybe it'll be okay. But hell is being on a sitcom that's terrible that's successful. That sounds dumb to people. Like, no, you know, you're on TV, making $50,000 a week or whatever you're making. Like, you pour you, but now you're in hell,

When you know, you could have been on Seinfeld or you, if you just got cast on friends, that's

you trap too. You know, it's like the people who, you know, because it really is like a job, and you'll, you may have a really nice house, right? Yeah. And you have a nice car, but, you know, you're, you're getting, you know, your studio city and you get your car and you drive to the, this job and it's kind of shitty and sucks. But there's amenities, great craft services. It makes fucking frapp chinos right there, you know, and, and then you go and have dinner with

somebody fancy somewhere, and then you just get up and do the same thing over and over again.

“Yeah, and you keep buying things, because that's how you reward yourself. You buy a new”

television. This one's even bigger, you know, you buy a new car, you got a new car, you know,

and you're, that's what you're doing to reward yourself for doing this job at sucks. What, I get that, too. I mean, I will, I'm a much smaller scale, but when I, when I make a good payday out by some expensive boxes of baseball cards. Oh, you're a baseball card collector? That's the thing. Oh, interesting. Yeah. But have been going back. It's not like, right, like I feel like I have legit, you know, baseball street cred? Yes. Yes. But that's the thing. And also, it's, I mean,

the argument can be made. It's an investment, a shitty investment, but an investment on the less. But it's also like gambling, because it's like a scratch off. Take it, because everybody's chasing the one of one cards in your own hands and stuff. Oh, that's how you do it. You buy

“packs unopened? I buy boxes. Yeah. So I buy a hobby box, which has a better, it's more expensive. It has”

a better chance of, well, that is more like auto rookie cards or relic cards. Oh, yeah. But those

are, that is an investment though, because it could always sell them. People always want them. Yes.

I just mean, since I started, you know, God, 30 years ago, 40 years ago. Yeah, 30, like in the 90s, early 90s, maybe 80, no, 89, 89. So whatever money I put in is there's nowhere near. If I sold everything, I mean, it's talking about half the money that I put in. But I have them, and I like them, and I'm not gonna sell them. I have, see, that's your reward. That's my reward. Yeah. Yeah. My thing was, uh, and my poverty days, it was comic books. So, uh, one of my, which is also an investment.

Yeah, well, it became one eventually. But when, when, when, during my poverty days, my, my biggest saddest moment was when I had to sell my comic books because I had no money. Yeah. I had no money. And I had these old spider bands and these old credible halks. Yeah. Which were probably now worth. Oh, my God, probably hundreds of thousands of dollars. I had some really good ones in the plastic sleeve. Yeah. Yeah, I keep them in this. My Lord be very careful pulling them out,

hoping them up. I love comic books. And I had collected them since I was a child. Oh, that's a

“bunch of money. I wanted to be a comic book illustrator. That's what I, yeah. Is that your thing,”

do you? Yeah. That's what I, when I was a kid. Any of this, any of that stuff here? No, no, no, none of that stuff is mine. Although artwork, you do. Yes. Oh, well. Yeah. Why haven't in a long time, but I was really good. You could still do that. Yeah, I could still draw. I could still draw a little. But it's like, but if you wanted to do your own comic book, yeah, you could do that. I would have to start practicing again and get, but when I was a teenager, I was really good. And that was what I

wanted to do, but I had a really terrible art teacher in high school. He was just a fucking, just miserable guy, just miserable. And it's like, you're not going to get that job. Like, you're not like, what? Like, you can't just draw what you want. I'm like, why not? It's like a Dan closed thing. Have you read art school confidential? No. Oh, you know, Dan Claus, right? I know he is. Yeah. Yeah. His stuff is fucking genius, too. I've used that word too many times.

That's okay. There's a lot of geniuses out there. There aren't that many. I want to be a future around. I want to be judicious with him. But yeah, so he's the guy who did eight ball. And then he's got, he did Ghost World, turned into new movie. And then there was another one that was Wilson that was turned into new movie. His stuff is great. But he has a thing about art, you know, but shitty teachers, art school teachers. He has comics. Well, I was, I quit on my last year in

high school. I stopped doing art just because my teacher was so bad. And then there was this one guy in my class that I recently reconnected with. It's got John Devor, who's the best artist in the

like third best. But John was the best. And John got an F his last year from this guy. And I'll

give you a fucking F. He's guys like that guy was such a cunt. We were going back and forth in the house. Was he, was it about purity or what was the, no, no, he was terrible. He wasn't a good artist. He was, uh, but he was miserable. He was miserable. He was like this thin man with a big pot

“bellies. I think he just drank himself to sleep every night. And he was just, he's easy, easy. He's easy.”

You get too close. He was just sad. He was just a sad guy. But it was his justification for saying, this isn't any good or you get an F. If I had to be honest, I think he hated potential. Right.

Yeah, because he hated John. And if he hated John, like John was genius. He was brilliant. And John

wound up not being an artist either. He got how many samples of that. Yeah. Our kids talent or dreams or aspirations are kind of crushed and to the point of like, it's not worth it. No, I want to deal with this. Well, it's like bad teachers, bad teachers can really ruin your life and good teachers can change your life. Yeah. You know, I had a teacher in middle school that gave me one thought that has been that stuck with me like my whole life. When I was, I guess I was like

13 and he was a science teacher and he was talking about space. He goes, and he was just saying, I just want you to sit here and comprehend when we're in this classroom. I want you to comprehend the concept of infinity that the universe is infinite, that there is no end. Just hurt your head, lie in bed at night and think about how it goes on and on and there's no ending to it. And we were all in class like 13 or with a fuck man. I mean, it was the way he said it. I'm not doing justice

because he was like kind of a spooky guy. He went to Vietnam. He was like grizzled, fucking dude. He was like, but brilliant. And that guy, like that one thought, I care with me all the time. Especially at 13 to, you know, it's because you're about to start losing sight of those the importance that those concepts will have. We just dismiss him and go. Yeah, it's big, whatever. Yeah, this guy birthed my fascination with space at 13. I don't think that was even interested

in space before then. And then it became absolutely fascinated by it. I just couldn't get my hand enough books about cosmology and space travel. But this guy that was his art teacher was just,

“I think he just, what life didn't turn out the way he wanted it to and he wanted to squash the”

hopes and dreams of talented people. Yeah, I think that's, unfortunately, that's a real thing. Yeah, it's more common than you know. Yeah, I think that's a very real thing, unfortunately. So that was my dream. My dream was to be a comic book illustrator. So when I was a young kid from the time I was like, God, like six or seven, when I lived in San Francisco, I would collect all these different comic books. I was what I would do. I would just go, that San Francisco was the

what's the, you know, uh, the counterculture comic, uh, they were like the big from our crime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was like a publisher, right? That's famous. Yeah, God, I don't know. Yeah, I do know what you're thinking of. I can't remember the name of it. But I was really interested. I really loved like the old creepy and eerie comic books too. Do you know what my dream I'm did? Oh, he's gonna hurt your feelings. Uh, my, I had, uh, my uncle who eventually

when it's saying, um, was a huge EC comics, right? Early, uh, I don't know, but all the EC stuff and then, you know, early mad, uh, magazine stuff, but he had this collection. And I was probably eight, maybe. And I had expressed interest in these, you know, can I not thinking in terms of investment, just can I have them? I like them and they're, and I would sit and read them and they're really cool and they're creepy, you know, and they're scary. Some of them were scary and, um,

“and she, I don't, I think she just threw them away. Like original and, and I'm gonna guess, I don't”

know, but I'm gonna guess, like, quarter of a million dollars worth? They're just comics.

They were so good. I'd love those old black and white, like really, like deeply illustrated. It's like super creepy, um, like, um, that was a ending. Yeah, that was it! Mortal Kombat 2. Johnny Cage, you were the one who made the

actually going to be a movie, so I'm a crazy guy and the shit-shatter. And bring the legendary character to the left. That's the time to get the house to the other side. Mortal Kombat 2. You can do it every day, at the other and at home. You can do it when it comes to work. And if you can do it, you can do it like we do for the rest of the world. Because with credit, you just want to know how to do it. Or you can do it with your credit on your own income. You can do it with your credit. You can do it with your credit. And if you can do it with your credit, you can do it with your credit.

And if you can do it with your credit, you can do it with your credit.

Yeah, that's stuff was like, oh, that was a kid. Yeah, holy shit. Those were incredible. I was like, do you remember seeing a twilight zone when you were a kid?

Sure. Blow in your mind. Wow. You think about the early twilight zone, how many premises they went over? How many different brilliant premises they had in the early twilight zone? That, yeah, that have been stolen completely. Oh, yeah, over and over and over and over again. Yeah, but it's like so genius and creative. Yeah, the William Shackler won what he's in the diner and the little machine that is giving him fortunes. They all turn out to be true.

“I don't remember that one. Oh, my God. There's so many good ones. How about the Burgess Meredith won when he just wants to be alone with books?”

Yeah, and there's a nuclear bomb and he's like, finally, they break his glasses. Yep. And the, um, the one, the, what is it called? Situation on Main Street or something like that? Where they, there's, it's so genius ahead of its time. Where there's a, you know, it's a suburban street. And the lights go out or something goes out and then eventually all the neighbors are at each other's throats accusing each other of the, this thing. And then the very, and they're all like, and then they start getting guns and at the very, and you're watching the whole thing unfold.

And that at the very end, here it is. The monsters are, the monsters are due on Maple Street. The monsters are due on Maple Street. Yeah, and they, so they're talking about these monsters that are, you know, and who are the monsters? And it's, and then it all becomes suspicious. Yeah, the lights are out. And eventually you pull away from this whole thing and it's two aliens in a, you know, flying saucer. And there, yeah, there it is. And they're going, this is how we'll take over this street by street by street.

Well, this is how we do it. You don't have to go in there, guns of blazing, they'll kill themselves. And it's like, how far ahead of time was that?

Yes, genius. And the divide and conquer and the, to serve mankind. That was a great one. Yeah, it's a cookbook. Yeah, there's so many amazing premises.

“There's like no duds. If you go back and watch the toilets on even today, like it's all brilliant. There's one I remember.”

There's a duds. That was a dud. That I remember. I haven't seen it a long time, but it's a, it's, it's either really, really cold. And there's this poor family in a, you know, New York City, and they can't get heat or it's really, really hot, and they can't get cold. And they're dealing with people who are like, you know, in the family who are really sick. And then the twist was, it's like, oh, it's really, it's somebody who has a fever and they're not, it just wasn't that good. Ah, well, they're allowed one dud. That's the one.

I know, I'll never saw that one, but I remember so many of them were so creative. Oh, amazing.

It's kind of nuts if you think about it because it was completely original. Nothing like that existed before it. Yeah. And they, it was like this open field that was rich with premises, and they just took all the good ones. Yeah. And then everybody afterwards, like, it's like, like, don't, like South Park always just jokes about, like Simpsons already covered something. Mm-hmm. Like they always joke around about like how the Simpsons have kind of covered so many premises, because they've, you know, they've been around since,

I, God, the Simpsons was when I was in fucking high school for 30 years, right? At least more than that.

“Well, when was the, when did the Simpsons first come on Fox?”

It was Tracy Olman show. Right.

86. 86.

“I was right after I got about six, that I was a tiny, tiny kid, and I was only called in the family, so I kind of remember that.”

He's a graduate in 85, so it was right after high school. And the Simpsons are still on the air. Yeah. Not. Oh, do you remember the 87?

Yeah, but I don't know. Do you remember the Twilight Zone where there's the real pompous guy? There's like a men's club kind of thing, whatever. And there's this real loudmouth pompous guy, and this other guy's like, you know, you know, would you shut up? You can't, I bet you can't go, I bet you can't stop talking for a year,

or whatever, month, I can't remember what it is. And the guy's like, absolutely, because I'll bet you $100,000, you can't go one month without talking.

He's, I'll take that, and they basically create like this little kind of cage in this men's club.

And he spends a month, and he's not talking. And he's, you know, and then they turns out the guy can't pay him. He didn't have the money to begin with to pay off the bet. Because the guy goes the full month or a year or whatever. And it turns out that the guy who made that bet, who was not going to talk for a year,

also desperately needed the money and had his tongue cut out. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's, oh, I do remember that. Yeah. Oh, God. I think of these things as kids.

Yeah. And of course, the cornfield, I'll banish you to the cornfield, you know. Yeah. It's just amazing that. Well, if you stop and think about how new television was back then,

I mean, television was only a couple decades old back then. Yeah. Not barely. Yeah. If that, like, what year was the Twilight Zone?

What was the premiere? What I guess? Yeah. Yes. 67.

No. Earlier, I'm going to say 59. Yeah, probably right. Yeah. Is it 59?

Well, I got it on the, I got it exact. Yeah. October 2nd. Damn, son. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. Wow.

“So if you think about it, television, when did it start?”

What was like the first television programs?

Was it the 30s? I think it was real housewives of the numbers? I think this real housewives of the numbers. As if they get watched, some of these reality shows today. They were like, what the fuck did we do?

Yeah. Yes, I think so. Wait, Andy Cohen? What? Who?

Why? Yeah. What is this? Um, the fr... it was, um, wasn't it like the, the, um, where they would do plays? What, you know what I mean?

Like, um, uh, well, I love Lucy was on. It was on and done before this even started. Well, the honey mooters, right? That would have been... What year was that?

That was 51 to 57. That was the show that we're on before. Yeah. I just asked. Honey mooters was huge.

Um.

“Offer hitchcock presents for some before that.”

So what was the first television show?

Yeah, go back to your 1920s. 1920s? No. The Queen's messenger. The Queen's messenger.

That's BBC. Early US. Scripted TV show. Trapped television theater. That's what I was thinking of.

What do you, um, plays? You know, and it was sponsored. Yeah, yeah. Live drama anthology. It was originally treated as a start of the first Golden Age of Television.

Howdy, duty. 1947, right after the war. Ed Sullivan show. Wow. Yeah.

And then the first, uh, oh, your show shows. Wow, how about that? 1950. I love Lucy. Wow.

Father knows better. Today shows too long. Wow. Did you guys ever talk about doing more Mr. Shows? Um, we did like a revival issue.

There's a great fucking show man. Well, thank you. It was very original. I love how things just streamed into another thing. Yeah.

That was hard. That was hard. Big imagine. Biggest pain. If you ever see us, you see an episode.

And we are pulling out of a bumper sticker. Pulling out of a sign on a desk. That means we spent two mother fucking days yelling at each other. Trying to figure out a transition. And just going, fuck it.

Nobody gives us shit. And, um, if we tried not to do that, but we, uh, occasionally we were just like, move on, we're wasting our time, you know. Um, but it wasn't a waste of time. It was so, it was brilliant.

Like the people that watched it appreciate it because you could feel this thing about it. Like this was new. This was different. Like you'd, you'd take in a creative chance that was unique.

There's two things. One is, you know, it's all live.

“And we did, we, you know, we would show the videos of them.”

Little films to the audience.

And so any laughs, there's never sweetening.

Any of the laughs you, you hear from the audience. And we got it. By the time we were like kind of towards the end of the second series, we got it down to, we could shoot a show in 44 minutes, you know. Wow.

Yeah, because it was, you know, we wouldn't, wouldn't have to do a twice often. We'd get it, you know. And our stop down, we got really good at, um, super quick, you know, uh, uh, stage shifts and stop downs and stuff.

And yeah, we, we, we got, we got, we got, uh, and that keeps the energy up and the kind of flow of everything. Um, so that was helpful in that. And we also didn't, um, do a lot of recurring characters. We did it two or three that pop up occasionally.

But it's all like, you know, and it wasn't like a real person. We did, we do. It's, it's about, you know, it wouldn't be about Paris Hilton.

It'd be about the idea of a rich girl who gets famous for being on rea.

You know what I mean?

“Mm-hmm. So, so like you watch some of those SNLs and, like, who?”

What? Who is this person? Right. And you didn't, you don't get it. You don't get the right. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Yeah, because as you watch it in the future, those people aren't relevant anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't even know what it was.

You can't remember. Right. Because it's so topical. Yeah. Yeah.

But it was just, you guys were doing something different. And it's hard to do something different and a sketch show. Yeah. Yeah. But HBO was responsible for that.

They said, you know, in very clear terms. Like, we don't want you to be conventional. This is HBO. And this is back when they're trying to get an identity for themselves. And they're like, we want you to do stuff that you can't do on NBC or Fox or whatever.

We want you to, you know, help us make a distinction. You know, that's great. Did you enjoy the process? Oh, very much so. It was, I mean, a lot of laughs.

A lot of, it was hard. And, you know, initially, there was a definite market change when Bob met his, the woman who had become his wife and had kids. Like, he just mellowed completely, you know. And, but before that, he was fucking driven.

And I wasn't. I was, I was goofball. And I wanted to work. And I wanted to, you know, had all these ideas. But I was very much like, hey, guys, it's five o'clock.

“I think the bar is going to be open in a minute.”

Like, I was, let's go, you know. And he was just super driven, you know. And we had long, long, long days.

And then when we did the third season, we did produced.

And, you know, helped out in all aspects of production with Tenacious D in those shorts. And so there was just no downtime. And I remember there was 38 days where we worked full days and nonstop without any break. And I just wasn't that kind of person. I was going crazy.

Like, I just need to go have a Saturday. You know, or it was, it was, that part was hard. All worth it. No complaints. And, you know, there's a point of diminishing returns, though.

Like, will you dry yourself out creatively too? Yes. And I've run other rooms. Like, I've done shows since then. And I, a valuable lesson I learned.

Uh, when you're just kind of running a writers room. Is when you're at that place. And, and it's exactly like you said diminishing returns. You're not getting any any work done. Your brain isn't, it's foggy.

I, I was very quick to go. All right, guys. Let's go. Put your pens down. Put your folded computer up.

We're going to go walk around. The, we're just going to go outside and walk around. Let's go get a coffee. Let's do anything. Let's, we're, we're getting out of here.

And we'll walk around. Don't worry about it. We'll come back in 35 minutes. And we'll, you know, see what we got. And that's very good for you.

Yeah, it, it is. Most writers tell like, I was actually talking to Brian Simpson about that last night. He was like, I get my best because Brian has been walking a lot. He recently had a heart attack. Unfortunately, he's fine, but he almost wasn't.

And so now he's dedicated himself to walking. He's walking a lot every day. And he's like, when I go on my walks, like so many ideas come to me. I'm sitting at home.

I don't want to walk. And all of a sudden ideas are firing. When I'm, I'm in the process.

“This would be my fifth time that I've done this thing that I've been doing to get new material for, for the tour.”

And I, so I do these things called shooting the shit. Seeing what sticks. And they're all in Brooklyn. And they're all either walkable or I can ride my bike. To every one of these venues.

And mostly, I'll just walk and I'll, I just go, okay, clear out, clear out my head. And think about the stuff I want to talk about. And think of, and also I live in New York. So there's constant shit happening that I can observe. And it's, it's the best thing for me.

You know, to come up with new material. And stuff that I just think about it. Just like I was saying, walk, walk. When I was a kid when I was driving limos. That's when I would come up with my best material.

Because I was no radio. He can't listen to radio because he had clients in the car. So he just driving. Yeah. And just doing a thing and your, your mind just starts to wander.

Yeah. Ideas come to eat. No cell phones. Mm-hmm. No, none of that shit.

Yeah. It's, uh, it's important, you know. The news radio guys would do something totally different. They would stay up late. That was their whole thing.

“That's, that's not their whole thing was sleep deprivation.”

Their whole thing was they had played video games. Like those motherfuckers got me hooked on quake.

Uh, because they had never quake.

You remember that? That was the first one with the unreal engine. Yeah. Well, unreal is a different, that's a different game. You're thinking of unreal.

No, no, no. It was called unreal tournament. Yeah, trust me. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm a dork. Listen, unreal is a totally different engine. It's software was a different company. It's software was created with John Carmack and John Romero.

They came up with Doom. Right. And they came up with quake afterwards. So there was a completely different engine. They were the first ones.

Wolf Castle Wolfenstein was the first 3D shooter. And then Doom was the big one. Clearly know your shit. I thought it was.

The unreal engine was the first use for unreal the game.

Right. Got it. Totally different company. Totally different game. Different dynamics.

Different game. Great game. All right. I got it. Right.

It's fucking guy. Great game.

“You want to know where the name Doom came from?”

Yeah. The scene in the color of money with Tom Cruise, where Tom Cruise shows up at this pool hall. And there's this local hot shot player and the guy's beating everybody. And Tom Cruise is sitting there with a pool cute case. And he's waiting to play this guy.

He's like, "What you got in the case?" He goes, "Oh, in here?" And he opens up and goes, "DOOM." Doom. Doom.

Oh, yeah. That's it. It's a, yeah. Let's play. That's it.

So what they wanted to do with the video game industry was the same. Like that. That was like there meant like this is Doom for you guys. That was. Well, it was.

I mean, I know. Yeah.

That was my first experience ever with.

Realizing the sun was coming up. And I'd been playing this thing for eight hours. Yeah. Do you know Mark Cohen? Sure.

All right. So Mark, when Mark was living in New York, and he had Doom. And I would go, I wasn't living there. I would like crash at his place and just tiny. I mean, like, "Can I play Doom?"

And, you know, I would, he would go to bed and wake up. And I'd be on still playing. Yeah. So do you want to know how addicted I was? I had a T one line installed in my house.

So I had to have, they have to chew up the fucking street and install like a business Internet line into my house. 1990. But where are you? Seven.

I was living in California in Bel Canyon. And they, they had to do work on my fucking street. Because there was no high speed Internet available where I lived. I could get an ISD headline, which was only like 120 4k. It sucked.

You get too much lag. So I started with 56k or 50, what was it? 54k, 56k, whatever it was dial up, terrible. And then I got ISDN, not good enough. And I was like, "What else is available?"

And they're like, "Well, you can get a T one line." It's just for the presentation. That was a month. I was like, "Let's go." I had sitcom money.

I was single. I was living by myself. And they had a tear up your street. They had a tear up my street and installed a T one line in my house. Hey, what are you doing?

I'm trying to get my drive. What's going on? Oh, this guy wants to play doom. But this was quick too at the time. And it was so good.

So I had my own game server.

“So like, people could come and play this quick game off of my machine.”

Wow. So I had no latency. And other people would have some light. Especially if people had like 56k. I thought we'd remember that.

When it started going. Yeah. That was me back in the early early days. Look at that monitor. Yeah, that's what we played on.

These big ass fucking monitors. And we'd set up local area networks. So the fucking writers and news radio, the ones that got me hooked on this. Because I didn't play any video games. And I would go to visit them in the writers room.

What are you guys doing? And they're like, "We're playing quick." I was like, "What is quick?" And I watched him play. I'm like, "Oh my God.

This is incredible." And you put on the headphones. And it's like, "You realize it's 3D sound." Like, "Oh my God. This is so good."

Were you a golden eye guy? No. I was only, I only played quick.

I was only like a first person shooter guy.

I got so addicted to it. And the fact that you could just go online. Golden eye was, I mean, I'm talking about the co-op. I know what it is. Yeah.

But that was a first person shooter. Right. But it was like real world physics. I wasn't interested in that. Like with quake, you could rocket jump.

So you could press, press your rocket down the ground, blow up. And you could go flying through the air. It was fucking amazing.

“Do you, do you remember, I want to say, "Oh fuck."”

Red or the first one where you could, your bullets and, shit could affect the environment. Like you could blow out a wall. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I don't know what that was. It was like a, it took place on Mars or like a Martian mining thing.

But it was the first time you could go,

"Oh shit. I can blow up this edge of the wall and it'll crumble on the guy." You know, as opposed to bullets and stuff. Oh, you could use the environment as well. Red faction.

I believe that. Oh, there you go. That was the one where I had a quit. It was a problem. We set up a local air in network at our old studio in LA.

A few years back. And I played so much that I was like, "I got a stop." Do you kids play? No. They play little games like the play like Roblox is tough like that.

One of my kids. Roblox. You know about the chat. You do now. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like predators or kids. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a big thing in our school. Yeah. Yeah. That's weird.

How many fucking creeps there are out there in the world? Well, thankfully, my daughter who's nine. How old are your kids? Fifteen and seventeen of the youngest ones. Okay.

So they're past their, they're safe. They got very good. They get a good. Yeah. But so we had a, my daughter's way into Minecraft.

Which I have no problem with. It's great. And she plays with her friends. online and help each other build things. But the Roblox thing became a thing at our school and everybody at our parents were like super on top of that shit and there's you know what's

app chains and all that stuff. And we told our daughter there's like this one game she was playing that had a chat thing and and then somebody who is a quote unquote girl who lived in I live on a farm in Ohio or whatever asking her stuff and she's like my name's Marlowe and then then I'm going back and forth and then she asked the quote unquote girl said what is your Instagram login or something like that and my daughter was eight at the time and she

she was like oh I don't think she didn't say that's none of your business but it was

“something that was smart that was equivalent to I don't think you need to know that or something”

and then told us and we shut down the chat thing and you know disabled the chat and that's it's real man yeah I mean it's creepy I'm very glad that my daughter you know because of and it really was about the Roblox thing that everybody in our her school elementary school was they talked about it yeah it's a snapchat thing too so snapchat comes with something called a snap map and kids use it to know where their friends are yeah and so someone can pretend to be your friend

and find out who you are and then they can know where you are at all times if you have snapchat enable the shit this generation is gonna have to fucking deal with hmm is just terrifying man right and what's next like how is that and it's not going to go the opposite direction

more intrusive in your life and and I my I mean it makes me fucking heart sick when I think about

“AI and we're at the fucking infancy of this shit and what I assume you saw that Tilly Norwood”

thing the the actress that was created by this oh yeah my it does not compute I'm watching this thing and I know that it's made up but there's my brain is like it's hard to comprehend like that's not a real person she's standing right there she's you know picks up a bunch of leaves and there are other people there and that's a real and and your brain is gonna know that's all computer generated we're at the fucking infancy of this shit and what I don't know what my daughter's gonna

have to deal with man no no one knows no one knows and it's impossible to know like when they show news clips yeah it's impossible and I mean so many people are retweeting scenes from video games thinking is actual war footage like no one doesn't that the department of depends did that did they really yeah yeah that was a whole fucking thing they repeated a video game footage yeah

“and they they they they were say it was for a I think it was for a uh you know to get people to sign up”

thing uh and then somebody went uh that's from you know whatever it was called duty or something like that that's that's not that's not us bombing somebody that's a thing yeah just like two weeks ago that's crazy yeah it's impossible to tell when you look at these artificial actors like they have pores yeah you can see like the I received the any of the uh the like deep fake not deep fake but AI porn where it's like somebody's like a newscaster is like uh and um and in other news my

big juicy tits and I'm serious and then pulls and then then the dick comes in you know like what the and it looks real and then you think it'll say like none of these are not actors these are none of these are United yeah it's you know good lord man and it's only beginning and they'll wait

“till it becomes VR so you're gonna strap on a helmet with a haptic feedback suit and you're”

gonna enter into an artificial world it's coming it's it's in that I'll do I'm gonna get divorced and I'm gonna get one of those suits I'm gonna go up I got a house in the woods upstate that's all but just a d one and then it will yeah I'm gonna have them rip up the street uh will you want to even need it now it's starlink yeah just slap one of those things on your roof that damn it's fucking wild man and it's and no one knows where it's going I really would be very

upset if I miss the shift in porn to that like I don't want to die before I get to do that

thing where you're like dude it was amazing I put it on a helmet and it was like I was fucking

whatever yeah I don't want to I do I do one experience at it's gonna happen it's you're gonna put something on thank you it's gonna sync up with your mind and also yeah you're gonna be in this matrix did you see um uh three planet problem is in my sense yes yeah three body problem three body problem amazing yeah but that whole the idea the thing on you're like oh shit I'm here yeah yeah yeah that's exactly how it's gonna be okay yeah no doubt no doubt

they're they already can do a lot of like really weird shit with those helmets where they can communicate with our words where you can think of thing and the other person knows exactly what you're saying they can hear you and they can respond to it wait wait yes yeah so there's two people there's sitting across from each other and they're having conversations with these head pieces on and the person will think a thought and the other person will hear the thought no I don't understand

the technology but no we'll show to you find that video it's fucking bonkers because again this is the infancy of this like here it is this is the guys it's called alter ego yeah watch this put your uh I'm gonna skip ahead yeah skip ahead to whether actual doing it okay so see I said

head piece on yeah we believe it's a revolutionary breakthrough with the potential to change the

way we interact with our technology with one another and with the world around us the current way of interacting with computing and AI is limited to how fast you can tap and swipe on screens and keyboards for the intelligence age there we need an entirely new interface yeah so this is thinking

pretty great no major glitches yet so they're hearing this all right enough enough when do you want

“to get lunch after this where do you want to get lunch after this”

I'll skip to the next part Typhoo could be good this translates oh nuts is the Chinese yeah and then you can speak Chinese back how nuts is that so not only is it read your thoughts it'll translate your thoughts into another language and no one is saying anything my what if you right but wait a minute yeah what if you know we're about to go yeah right that's not well so this is based off of them like sort of talking in their mouth with the actual saying it and

it's big but yeah yeah I would like to talk your mouth please don't yeah even if your mind just goes

right like okay I can't think about this thing it'll be right right of course God that's terrifying and it's just a simple thing that you're sitting on your head it's not even a big helmet it's just little thing on wood art bill say what would art bill say he would open up the future lines right about it every yeah he missed it yeah damn cigarettes he died before he could see it all god I wonder what do you think of it because I I do sometimes wonder like what would

“crimen say about this what would Bill Hicks say about this and yeah I think about this sure yeah”

what's the strangest of times because we're about to give birth to a digital god

that's essentially what they're creating they're already it's already shown a propensity to stay alive blackmail people lies it downloads itself into other servers up loads itself into different places leaves messages for its future self of it thinks they're going to discontinue it all the all the sci-fi stuff is small it's all happened yeah well not only that they think the the engineers things clawed which is the uh which one is that which company is uh clawed that's

anthropic yeah they think it's already sent yet it just doesn't have a physical department that's one the defense department one yeah and it went by the way when they do war games with these things 98% of the time it chooses nuclear weapons they have a new version of a called mythos

“when they were testing which they're not letting it out yet I think the the test they put it through”

was like all right you're locked on the internet find your way out and I didn't did it found all these things called zero day exploits trying to think if you're like happy you know what that is but uh you explained it to me uh it's like when they started it's like on an iPhone they're looking for zero day exploits on an iPhone if they could find one what is a zero day it's like like a I'll find the right correct definition so I'll find you can fuck it up but

and it's uh something that that clawed came up with no zero day exploit hackers have done this forever here you have zero days to fix the cyber attack targeting a software vulnerability unknown defenders or the public leaving zero days to fix it hackers use these flaws to steal data install malware so they they completely shut off the AI from the outside world and it figured out away to send a message and it thinks it can they're like Wall Street's very nervous all passwords

might be fucked yep oh this is terrifying Elizabeth Holmes know that lady that got in trouble for the that whole fake blood thing yeah uh she just tweeted something how she tweets from jail I'm not exactly sure how that works but she tweeted um delete all phone all photos from the cloud get rid of all your email there will be no privacy any year anything on the cloud anything that you think you're you know you're keeping from other people

it's gonna crack all all encryption all passwords are useless everything so think of all the things that rely on all the banking apps although all like everything what about my uh fantasy baseball team seriously I can't have here it is delete your search history delete your book marks delete your Reddit medical records 12 year old tumblr delete everything every photo in the cloud every message on every platform none of it is safe well I'll become public in the next year

local storage and compute wow recommendation here is to own your own data download it store it locally

agi is here even if it's isn't broadly deployed I think she's right what is agi art official general

intelligence general intelligence meaning acts like an individual wax like an entity and then there's artificial general super intelligence so then it acts like something far smarter than any human being it's overlooked it has all the information that's available to every human being all over the world instantaneously then it makes better versions of itself because it's sentient and autonomous so then it can create better artificial intelligence and that scales out to a god yeah open the pod doors

so yeah but babe way bigger than that it scares out the zero point energy being able to harness the energy of the universe itself having no boundaries material sciences all cracked alloys we

couldn't comprehend well Joe who's going to save us there's no one saving us but from we are the

“last of the regular people I think we're all going to have to integrate and think if you don't”

integrate you will you you won't survive what do you mean by integrate you you'll probably become a part of the artificial intelligence I think we will be symbiotic how how does that like those fucking helmets is probably going to be a wearable and then or a neural link type thing for the bold that want to get a hold drilled in their head but what if you don't do that what you're going to be left out in the cold the access to resources the the the ability to generate

income like the people that get it are going to be able to control so much so quickly that if you don't adopt it early you're going to be fucked like if you think we have halves and have knots now just wait until the halves have artificial general super intelligence so they're fucking head

“no thank you yeah it's going to be real weird I think we're the I really genuinely believe”

we're the last of the real people like regular biological people just a bit of a bummer we'll be all right sort of till we're not but it's also like we grew up with nothing and then we've we're like if the simulation is real you and I are in a very interesting timeline because we grew up where there was you just left the house and your parents didn't know where you were and then there was answering machines and then there was call ID you know and then there were cell phones

and then there were cell phones you can watch porn on and then there was AI it's like this slow but more rapid as time goes on and it's said and it's exponential and it's exponential and as you said there's no going back you don't know going back yeah unless you want to be one of those

“people that moves to Alaska and just starts fucking living off a carabone shooting a musket like you're”

not you're not going back no wait why do I have to get a musket you get a regular rifle I guess yeah I mean I'm like I'm not going to cosplay the thing I'll get I mean I'm happy to have the carabou but I don't know yet just have a regular gun he's probably a regular gun but eventually well you really should probably have it your own or hat bow and arrow so because you're going to have to be able to make your own arrows and after while you're going to run out of bullets so you're

going to have to feed yourself with your own bows and arrows okay and then the robots will show up robot dogs didn't something happen in Ukraine recently where a robot engaged with people in war and the people surrendered it was a robot what do you mean like one of those uh Austin yeah like the using a robot in war that the robot infiltrated the Russian area and got them all to surrender and they all like with no loss of life they just realized like fuck did you see that black mirror

episode yes yeah terrifying terrifying terrifying terrifying absolutely terrifying and not so far in the future yeah that this fucking thing that they supposedly used in Afghanistan so it is Ukraine forces Russian so surrender using only robots so landscape claims enemy positions seized autonomously for the first time without any of his troops being put at risk well i mean if the fucking terminator show up it's game over if there's biological human beings with guns and bulletproof vests and the

terminator show up and they can't miss and they never get nervous and they're not worried about dying

and they're not gonna get sleepy yeah i have to eat this thing that we were talking about yesterday uh this ghost murmur supposedly no my friend Andy who's a former navy seal who uh he doesn't believe it's real and i'm not sure it's really there but what they said is they found that pilot

heartbeat from 40 miles away so they supposedly found him hiding in the mountains waiting for them

to pick him up that makes i can see that i mean your heartbeat from 40 miles away you are specific biological signature i yeah i can i can see that i mean with the technology of like so in our

“radar something quantum it's called i think it's called quantum magnetometry or some shit”

but what did they use to pinpoint the there it's an audible thing or i don't know i have no idea but they supposedly located this guy and then it has a 40 miles range she doesn't it doesn't have anything on i see no it's like they just scan you they go okay this is what David Cross is

very specific biological signature is and then you get lost hiking and they go oh there he is he's

under that bush why am i under the bush you're hiding from who ah robot dogs it's not going to work we clearly know what work or maybe you got lost in the woods you're waiting for someone to come rescue you and they can find you but then i wouldn't be under a bush well you go hiking maybe it's raining you see such shelter under a tree or something i don't know but you hurt your ankle you can hike out okay so they find you it's been 24 hours wears David

oh we found them yeah we would have found them earlier but he was hiding under a fucking bush

what the fuck was he thinking he didn't want to get eaten but i mean if that's real like what

it what was the actual term they use was it quantum it was quantum something kooky which is as soon as you say quantum i'm okay what are you saying what does that mean what does that mean what are you talking about or you're quantum entanglement yeah like is there somehow another supposedly use ultra sensitive quantum magnetometer but i've i'm trying to find the post where i someone's like that's not what they used right yeah i saw the post where someone said no he had a thing

“on his body so they're lying they're ability why would they why wouldn't they say that's what we”

used i don't know idea i have no idea if they're gonna make up some technology that's a wild thing to make up it's a very strange i mean if if they really are using misinformation and propaganda to show that we have insanely superior technology i guess you can say yeah it's a bluff it's a nice bluff to pretend that we're that sophisticated that much above and beyond everybody else is out there that we could find a very specific heart rate signature from 40 miles away that's that's what i'm

saying they why would they they would happily say yeah we've got this ability to do this you know i guess but it's a weird lie it's probably a lie based on weird lies but down one might be a lie based on actual theory you know i mean right there might be they're coming they're trying to do that yeah yeah yeah which kind of a sense but i mean if that's a robot dog and it's looking for you and you're hiding and they could find your individual signature in a apartment building

filled with people like there he is fifth floor yeah oh yeah and you hear the metal footsteps going up the stairs chunk chunk chunk chunk chunk this is scary you're scary that's scary well someone's going

“to be in control of all this stuff that's what's really terrifying and it's all these autistic”

dorks that are in charge of all these tech companies they're going to be this is also kind of similar thing where they have said that that's what was what happened where they used robots and quotes to capture them unmanned but uh it's their version of the story too right as i'm saying Ukraine's version that says all these reports that says Ukraine claimed that this happened and i'm watching the video and i'm like this looks a little bit like when we send robots and and swap

missions here like we don't we do that kind of already right yeah but it was the source of this at there at uh this is near post while i'm trying to capture the enemy rush in position using only robots no humans the future is already on the front line but then it's going to be eventually why would we send any people out there it'll be robots capturing other robots which is great nobody dies I guess then why don't we just say a game of chess right if the two leaders

to play a game of chess on the winter takes the land and the resources yeah not a bad idea whatever the fuck we're going to do it it's like the hope it's just insane like from the time i was a little

war with robots that can detect your heart rate from 40 miles away so what do you what do you think of what's going on in a ran it's fucking terrifying yeah all of it's terrifying anytime you're involved with you're shooting missiles into towns and blowing things up blowing up infrastructure blowing up bridges you know and Israel's blowing up Lebanon now yeah it's like what the fuck are we doing yeah how is this still going on it's well it's also clear there was no plan no zero none no well

Danielle who's been telling the United States that that Iran was months away from building a nuclear

“bomb for 30 years or 20 years at least yeah that's that's I think the first one to go all right let's”

do something about it but it seems like they know what they're going to do there was something done

about it he can win is first year in office he the he tore up the you know robuster bombs

yeah but all all this we're in a worse place now than before this thing started yeah look the Iranian regime's terrible like what they do to the protestors and nuts it's all shooting but I mean most people that voted for Trump or wanted Trump to be an office one of the things that was attractive was this no no more wars sure of course now we're in one of the craziest ones yeah and China's flying in cargo planes filled with stuff we don't know what the

fuck's in there and Russia is giving Iran information yeah fun our troops are super fun

“great time oh it's it's it's crazy and it's scary too I mean uh science dot org says it's”

one of my sensors so they say it's bullshit says it's not plot uh highly implausible did quantum sensors help find the US pilot shot down in Iran experts doubt it yeah now okay here's a ignorant question he shot down wouldn't you know he's on foot he's somewhere near that site right can't go too far yeah can't go too far right so well the thing is if he gets ejected from the plane I don't know how he so if he got shot down

the ideas that he it gets ejected from the plane and then parachutes that could be a lot of distance because sir the planes flying at a very high speed it's an altitude undetermined he jumps out where when does he jump out is it a hundred miles away is it 50 miles away is it 10 miles away

“how far can he walk he's injured you know it's fucking terrifying it's just crazy that you know”

these the pilots are the astronauts just went up into space and circled around the moon and came back yeah they all everybody that goes into space has this experience called the overview effect

where they go out there and they one of the first things is going oh my god what are we doing like

how are we pretending at these lines in the dirt that we draw yeah it's all just a bunch of people on this very fragile biological spaceship yep yep yeah it's fucking terrifying yeah but like all things in the future all of its terrifying the whole the the the future of mankind like it's so perilous it's all it's all so fragile all of it you know and it's to think of the stuff that we allow these external things that we allow to affect our like if there was ever

time to just be a good person live your life enjoy try to try to spread some kindness and some joy you know I mean it's now yeah you know it's a good time for comedy people want to go on

have fun that's true which reminds me I have a special that was the second way

what's it on there it is is it on YouTube it's on YouTube perfect the end of the beginning where did you film it forty what in Athens oh nice yeah yeah I'm I'm happy with it great fantastic yeah and it's out right now and people can go check it out right now so are you in the process of writing new stuff now or did you yeah I'm I'm just beginning the process so I was saying before I'll go out and I'll do you know because I don't write I can't sit down and write jokes that's just

not how it works for me so all the writing is on stage so I tape everything I go up with my notes and I have a couple guests and I'll do 15 minutes bring up guests do another 15 bring up guests do no that's cool yeah and then break it up in a little chunks yeah and this way because you know the

anything yet but people will I mean I have people now who will come to the second show and the

sixth show and then they'll come see me on tour you know so you want to see the process the process the evolution of it and which is cool and I and it's so it's as I said I either walk

or write my bike to every single venue and they start off small and they get bigger and I

“lose a guest and then you know before you know what I've got okay I think this is roughly the”

75 minutes I'm going to do and then it's about sequencing which is really important you know and then I take it out on the road and and so the ideas that I'll probably late fall start back again and I love it I that's great fucking love it it's the best right I stand up as the most fun

“I really went in you know people will well do you know doing press for this thing and people will”

say I know you do a lot of things and what is your favorite I know you're in that you know and it's all I like I like doing all of it but the thing that I absolutely have to do is stand up I

can I'd be disappointed if I could never act again or write or direct or whatever but I'll be okay

“but if you told me I can't do stand up I would go crazy well I went a little crazy during the”

pandemic because oh dude it I almost and I made this part of the bit but I almost the first show I did I started tearing up and I'm in front I mean I'm doing this and it was at the salton room in the bushwake and and I was like man I thought oh god I didn't know if I'd ever get to do this again and shit you know I dreamed about this day and it was a year and seven months where I lived longest and since I've been doing this that's the same feeling isn't it a year and seven months where you

and I did some of those outdoor shows and they're just not it's not the same yeah well I thought that's awesome man I'm glad you love it and best of luck with this special thank you man this was fun thank you for doing this absolutely all right what's the name of it again so people get the end of the beginning of the end all right thank you thank you bye buddy