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>> There you go. >> Just got it. >> But we've got American flag, we've got a skull, we've got camo, the fuck else do you want. Are you American or not? >> Nice dude, you're all in for

>> 250, the 250th anniversary. >> It's also the only socks I brought on this trip somehow, so I wear them every day now. >> You only brought one pair or one style. >> No, one pair of socks and no underwear. >> Oh God, I've done that before, we have to wash your socks in the sink with shampoo,

with a little tell shampoo, and then wear them when they're wet. >> And it's like I went on a run here, it is muggy. >> Oh yeah, it's one of my ass-offs. >> That's the fear of this weekend at the UFC, because it's east coast, it gets very muggy. >> Yeah, for sure.

>> And DC, so these guys are all working out outside right now.

I saw a video of Amin's a hobby, working outside, and Elia Tappori is working out outside.

“And you know, you have to feel that heavy air, it changes things.”

>> Oh yeah, man. I remember when I was a kid, I went to the Olympic training center in Colorado Springs. >> I think the thunderstorms do. >> Oh yeah, we're fucked. >> Fuck, there is an octopede that's over the cage.

They put a can to be over the cage. >> Well, lightning hits that, that's not good. >> Well, if it's a canopy, I think we're okay. >> I mean, I think I'm more worried about terrorist attack than I am. >> Yeah, lightning.

>> That's true. >> But I probably should be more worried about lightning. I actually have friends who have been hit by lightning. We do. >> Remy.

>> Yeah. >> For sure. >> So I know that was full.

>> I don't know anybody's been hit by terrorist attack.

>> Well, it's got hit together that thing. >> By lightning was? >> Yeah, we had the craziest storms here. >> You play golf? >> No, but I was outside.

>> Thank you. This storm is over and I was out on my balcony and I was like, wow, this is cool. >> That's not a good philosophy. >> One hit. >> I'm 500 feet in the sky, I'm already up here.

>> And then it hit. >> I started hearing sizzling near me. I'm like, oh, we shit, I got to get inside. >> Electricity sizzling. >> I was like, what the fuck is that?

>> Oh my god, that's so scary. That's such a fucked up way to go. You ever see that one video where the guy is walking down the street and he gets hit by lightning? He wakes up, walks down the street a little bit further. He's recovering and he gets hit again.

Dude got hit by lightning twice, I don't know if it's time lapse or I don't know how long he was out for. Because it's like one of those ringcams that catches him is kind of a fucking cooked twice. >> You know you're having a bad day. >> I forget what Remi said happened to him after he got hit.

But I remember his hearing was fucked up for a long time. >> There's something to imagine. >> Something like that. >> Yeah, we do the mountains back home like run 'em. We're up on Diamond Peak, me and Tanner last year.

And Storm, you know, kind of like the weather report, like having some clouds or whatever, it wasn't supposed to be thunderstorms, but you could hear kind of growling. And you're like, how does that come in this way? And it doesn't have to be that close. I mean, I think lightning can hit from 10 miles away.

>> Really? >> Yes, it can go sideways.

“So anyway, if you see that building, you should get off the top of a mountain, right?”

Well, me and Tanner were up there and we're still wanting to get the summit and then bomb off. Well, we're up there and he goes, he goes, dad, he goes, watch. And he had, we had trekking poles and he had him like this and they're like, taking, like, from electricity, was in his trekking poles, then we, I said, let's get the fuck off

this thing. And so we bombed off and there's these kids down that were like, they said, should we go up and I said, I'd wait a little bit and the girl's hair was standing up. >> Oh my God. >> Oh my God.

>> Yeah. >> It is not that. >> Yeah, so they, you just got died in Florida last year and what they call blue sky lightning. >> What?

>> Yeah. It can jump from several miles away. >> Wow. >> This down the beach. It was a blue sky above storm.

>> Yeah. >> And I think it can go, I know I looked it up after that because I was like, why need to know, I'm in the mountains all the time. His death on the lesser is a grimmer, my Florida led the US in both lightning fatalities, 12, and strikes per square mile, 76.

Holy shit. By the way, did you see that guy in Florida that he was running from the cops and he got killed by an alligator? >> No. >> Did you see that one?

>> Uh-huh. >> Dude, it's body cam footage. The cops got the gun out and he's like, stop, stop, stop. The guy's running. He's going in the water and all sudden boom.

>> Like, right, I'd rather get shot. >> I'd rather get shot.

“But I think it's jumping, killed by a fucking dinosaur.”

>> Oh my God. >> You get shot. The bullets going to hurt like fuck. You're going to be in shock. You're going to realize you're bleeding out.

You're going to have to say, I wish I was a better person. I'm going to miss my family. But that fucking alligator's going to take a while to kill you.

It's going to roll you.

It's going to drag you under the water.

“You're going to realize you can't get free.”

You're going to try to poke its eyes. It's not going to work. It's going to be a miserable existence. Tell us over. >> You see that one video of a dude he got attacked by an alligator.

Lost his arm. So a bit of a fucking arm off. And he made his way back home. So they're like talking to him. Like right when he got out of the swamp.

And he got one arm. And he looked like, there's not a chance in hell. He was sober during any of this experience. He looked like he had been messed up since the fucking 12th grade. >> Oh my God.

>> This dude. Yeah, this is the dude. >> Just fucking lost his stump. >> Yeah. >> That's where I was.

>> You wanted for three fucking days with one arm. >> Oh my God.

>> But first of all, how do you not bleed out?

>> I know. >> I was supposed to get saved. >> Yeah, sure on that one. >> Yeah, sure on that one. >> Yeah, sure on that one.

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“>> And also if you see hours there that are broke because they're so heavy,”

>> Uh-huh. >> Like that bone is so thick for their hours. If a bull's break, imagine a four-frequired break that. >> And imagine that going right up your ass. [LAUGH]

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They find them, you know, with these holes in them.

Like when you shoot them and you find out like what they've been through.

“Like no wonder why they barely moved when they get hit with an arrow.”

>> Yeah, they probably didn't even know like when two bulls are fighting and then what of them gets hit with an arrow, they barely react. >> No. >> That'd be like what? That was that.

>> Yeah. >> That's like a land that's crazy. They're just so locked into war. >> Especially if you get in between their ribs and don't hit anything. >> Right, just like that bull would be like, ow.

>> Wait, what was that? >> Nothing. >> And I was like, woo, if you don't lose you. >> Yeah. >> Hey, did you find that video?

See if you can find the video of the guy with the body camp footage. Getting killed by the alligator. >> This is a very good, like, hard to see it. >> You see it a little bit though. I just think it's exciting.

>> It's just-- >> You love watching chaos. >> I don't know why. >> I don't know why. >> I do.

Give me some put the headphones on there.

See what? I like the music. Okay. So here it is. The cops got his gun out.

Oh, this isn't a very good. Yeah. See the cops got his gun out. >> Yeah. >> And he's like trying to think of what to do.

And this dude's getting jacked. >> Oh, there goes the alligator too. >> Yeah. >> Whoo, shit. >> Yeah.

>> Oh, did you see that line of that? >> Yeah. >> I'll get it up a little bit so you can see it. So the dude's trying to swim away. Look at the alligator.

Boom! That's a wrap, son. >> Did he put his hands up? >> I don't think so. I think he just--so--

>> I'll grab that. >> Back it up a little bit more. >> So you see the guy swimming away. >> What's that? >> It's a different version.

>> Being good in there. >> Another same lady narrating. >> That's a alligator. >> That's when I'm quite scared. >> It slammed right towards him.

>> And that's not good. >> That's not good. >> It was a full on attack. >> It was a full on attack. Like as if what?

Halfway attack. >> Oh, that was fine. >> It was a fucking dinosaur. >> That was a big story. >> In Florida a few years back where a guy was running from the cops.

I think it was a high speed chase. It gets to a bridge. It stops the car, throws it in park, jumps off the bridge, boom, alligator, get some. Literally like landed right out of fucking alligator. >> And that's the reality of the water.

All the fresh water in Florida is filled with alligators. They have to check Disney land all the time. >> Yeah. >> But Disney world. They have to check it all the time.

>> Yeah.

>> Never a little kid got killed there a few years ago.

>> Yeah. >> Let you take your kid to fucking Disney world that it gets killed by a dinosaur. >> Rough. >> Wow.

>> And also, it's like, you know how I don't know. You have dogs, but they're around when you're eating. And something falls on the ground. They're always checking the ground.

“Well, that's what alligators do in the water.”

>> They're just sitting there just chilling out. They're at here a little splash. You're like, oh, like a dog. Was that a crumb hitting the floor? The dinner table?

>> Yeah, exactly. >> So this over there and does this eat whatever hit the water? >> Especially if something seems like it's struggling. >> Yeah. >> Well, I got you opportunists.

>> Yeah, they're just chilling, just waiting for shit to hit the water. That's what fishing is, too. You see that the flies hatching and you try to match it. Try to put it on there. They're like, okay, got one to hit the water.

>> Right. >> But yeah, alligators are masters of taking advantage of opportunity. Everyone that's while some comes off a bridge and, hey. >> Really shocking how many of them there are in the Everglades. And when we were there, it's like everywhere you look,

you have to look for an alligator. It's like nothing I've ever seen. I thought it'd be hard to find them. I thought we'd go out there. You look around, you probably glass little sea eyeballs pop up.

No. They're fucking all over the water. >> Like how many would you see? >> We saw 15, 20. >> Yeah.

>> Maybe more. >> It's chilling. >> Maybe 30. You see some movement on the water and then they dunk under. And you're in the fucking swamp.

It's sketchy shit. >> Yeah. >> Never done it. >> It's very weird. It's very weird because you're like, this is a mess.

>> Yeah. >> Like the feeling that you get there like, oh, this is infested. Like you're infested by dinosaurs. And then meanwhile, you go an hour and a half later,

you're in Miami, have a steak, drink and a nice piano noir. You think you're in civilization. You're fucking half a day's dry from monsters. >> And then fast get jungle filled with monsters.

>> And imagine if you weren't in a boat.

“What if you were to somehow something happened in the boat?”

>> Oh, you fucked. >> What would you do if the boat sank out there? >> Well, we weren't in a boat. >> Okay. >> We drove out with guides and we drove out in trucks.

They know where the lake areas are. It's very dense out there. It's very thick. It's just hot and muggy. And these fuckers just, you see them pop up, you see the eyeballs pop up.

You see some motion. But you fucking see them everywhere. >> Yeah. >> And then you look around and how big the Everglades is. >> Yeah.

>> And you go, how many of them are out here?

>> Yeah. >> Because it's not like we found the honey spot. >> Right. >> You know what I mean? It's like the whole Everglades.

And when I was a kid, you know, I lived down there in Florida when I was 11 years old. From 11 to 13, I lived in Gainesville. And there's alegators back then, but they were endangered. And so you weren't allowed to kill them.

And so they would kill people's dogs and shit.

“I remember this lady in my neighborhood,”

her dog got jacked. She was walking her dog by Lake Alice and it just snatched her dog and took it away. >> She's like the late 70s. And we were feeding the marshmallows. So you go to the dock and throw marshmallows.

And the alegators would come up and eat the marshmallows. And it was, you know, it was weird. >> Yeah. >> It was kind of cool to be there. Freaks you out a little bit, but they weren't dangerous.

>> Right. >> Cut to all these years later. Now, because no one hunted them.

Because they basically were making shoes out of them in the day.

They are almost hunted them to extinction. And they should probably start that again. We need to bring out the exception. >> It should happen. Back in the 70s, that was the cool shoes.

Like in the pool halls, where I used to play pool. The old guys would talk about how a guy was really dressed up. He had his gators on. He looked good, he had a nice suit, he had his gators on. His gators.

>> I got gator boots. >> Algators shoes. >> The Casey. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> Gator boots seemed to be a different thing. Because it kind of almost makes sense. Because like, you get boots that are made out of, like, snakeskin and ostrich. And like, that's kind of a cowboy boot thing. But alligator dress shoes.

>> Yeah. >> You got your gators. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Very hard to get.

Pollish it nicely. >> That's Rick Flare. >> Oh, yeah. >> I love that. >> But I got to apologize to Rick Flare.

He got scammed. So some person reached out and said that they were representing this podcast. And he was going to come on the podcast.

“I think Tim Dillon has happened with him too.”

It didn't happen with him where they got him. But they sent you an email saying that they're going to have you come on a podcast. But they need your bank information. >> Yeah. They'll pay you.

Sometimes it's like 3,000 bucks because I've got those too. >> And what it really is is they're just going to empty your bank account. And it's just a scam. So if you get an email like that for me, it's not real. Sorry Rick Flare.

So Rick Flare, I don't know if he lost his money. But Tim Dillon, they tried to get him on Amy Polarshow. So that's the scam. The scam was, they've reached out to, he talked about it on his podcast. They reached the scammer, reached out said I'm representing the Amy Polarshow.

We would love to have you on. And he was like, that doesn't seem like that would be a good thing for Amy Polar. I don't think I'm a good guest. He was like, I don't think they're real. Yeah.

But it says, we need your bank account information. And so many people just don't think about it or their boomers. >> Well, they make it seem legit because I know Pat McAfee. I got an email from them about coming on the show. And I'd been communicating with some of those guys before.

And so I'm like, maybe I'm this.

“For me, it's like a big deal like ESPN and Pat McAfee.”

He's like, to me here reminds me of you. He just kind of does what says whatever he wants does. He's free. If the boss is say whatever he's like fuck off, I just love that unfiltered like true thoughts.

And he's a guy that's got fuck you money that says fuck you. I love it. It's just, it's beautiful.

I mean, I celebrate, that's, that's the, you know, first amendment

in his glory right there. >> Yeah, that seems like a genuine good. >> Yeah, yeah, I don't know him, but it's not. >> I don't know him either, but when you hear guy talking enough. >> Yeah, yeah, you can assume.

>> Or you can like put the pieces puzzle together. But, and they've wore my stuff on there. So I'm like, oh, maybe this is real, right? >> Oh, no. >> So the guy I asked, he's just a,

he's just a great guy, but he said no, it's not, not legit. But they had me because it was like, it almost seemed real. >> Fight night is here. Title shots, debut killers, and the rising contender, nobody's talking about yet.

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and June 28. Terms at dkng.co/audio. >> Yeah, some of you ask me, like, hey, you know, they said, "Well, they said, can you do anything about it?"

Unfortunately, I can't. There's nothing you could do other than tell people it's a scam. I don't want to tell you how I get gas. I don't want to give up the process, but I have a guy,

and I have this guy reach out to people. And, you know, I don't want to talk too much about it, because I don't want people to imitate that and pretend that's how they do it,

but if you get any guy out here. >> Yeah, you get an email asking for your bank account information. It's not me. >> No. >> It's probably not Anna, Ferris, or Amy Poler,

or Tim Dillon, or any of those other people. It's all bullshit. >> No. >> This scumbags out there. >> Unfortunately. >> If you say you have some elk meet,

you'll share that might be real. >> Nope. >> Nope. >> I share friends and family. That's it.

I haven't given it out to weirdos. But you're bringing to bear me. >> I know. >> Dude, I said you're in trouble. >> I know.

>> We got a lot of notes. >> I got shit we're going to discuss today. >> They're like, I had a scientist on yesterday. He had less notes. >> I know, I'm ready.

>> Well, we had some-- >> First of all, before we go any further. >> What's going on with your tooth? >> Well, you got to go tooth. >> I love it.

>> Yeah, it's kind of a joke, but I've been for years obsessed with perfect teeth, right?

>> That's like Adam Greenchie's always busted your balls.

>> I did the white strips and all this other shit. And I always cared about what just probably cared too much.

“So now I don't care what I look like, but what changed?”

I don't know. I've just been playing the game too long. Now it's just like, I'm just done it. And the game's not over, unfortunately. Even though I'm saying I don't want to play anymore,

the game still goes on. So it's like, I'm still part of it. But anyway, I was getting this, okay, long story short. I broke this in high school, so I had to fake tooth in high school. And yeah, this is like long story kiss in this girl,

basketball hit me back at a head, broke the tooth. Anyway, broke the teeth on her teeth. >> Yeah, so she had teeth in her lip. >> Oh, that's crazy. >> Yeah, it was Jack Devere who did that.

But anyway, we, so I got a fixed, got a few different iterations. I've finally found one that looked good. Well, I go in there. I hadn't been in the dentist and forever because I just, what it's hate going.

And they said, oh, you got a cavity under that. What a composite is what it was called. And I'm like, okay, cool. So we got to take it off, fix the cavity. Then you get another one.

And I'm like, whatever. So I go back in there next next appointment. They take it off, no cavity. But now I just have this, like, whittle down, regular tooth, just like a, like a post of a tooth.

>> So, because they removed the cavity? >> Because they, there was no cavity. >> There was no cavity. >> There was no cavity. >> They scraped out on the x-ray there was.

So they had the, anyway, that cap or the composites gone.

“So they said, well, you need to go and match a color of your teeth”

for your new fake tooth and in Springfield swing by this Springfield, whatever they do there for, for dentistry. So I go in there and they said, the girl there goes, hey, my husband makes some really cool gold teeth. He does a really good job.

You want a gold one. And I was like, wait. And so she's like, we'll do a white one too, but a gold one might just be fun. And then I'm like, yeah, it'd be fun.

So I told Trace, I'm just going to do it just day or two. So this has been months now. You're going to keep it? I don't know. I kind of like it too.

>> I kind of like it. >> It's like everybody, everybody's got regular teeth. Nobody's got gold teeth or something. >> Not anymore. >> It was a thing back in the day.

I remember Mike Tyson had a gold tooth for, well, this is like my savings account. Because I figure that I'm going to lose everything because I'm such a fuck up. But I'll still have this. >> I can still do that.

>> I suck around. You can buy a cheeseburger. >> Yeah. If I get in a bind, right? It's like, hey, well, I got this.

>> I have one crown. I have one fake tooth back here. I crack one of my mowers. I had a root canal. And then they had to put like a crown on it.

And then it cracked. >> Yeah. >> And it's another one. Because I got a little piece of it missing. I think I'm going to get a gold one.

>> Now I can go on right here. >> Do it. >> No, you're inspired me. Also, it's in the back. So you won't see it all the time until I hit it.

>> Yeah, I'll give you a big cheese. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to get it. >> When you're copying you.

>> When you're cracking up, you always do a big smile.

>> Yeah. >> So that'll be fun. >> Unfortunately, I laugh a lot. >> I know. >> A happy life.

>> Yeah, you do. >> You're crushing it, lately. >> It's just the same old stuff, right?

I can't believe I look at your guests and it's just like non-stop dude.

It's like people see like all your success.

“You think most people would be like, "Can I'm good?”

I'll you foot off the gas?" You don't. >> No. >> You keep, I mean, you work your ass off. >> Well, you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do.

And very few human beings get this opportunity. And I feel insanely fortunate. And also, very responsible. Like, I'm responsible for this whole thing. I have to keep it rolling.

I know people are addicted to it. They love it. They want the variety. They want scientists. They want guys like you.

They want athletes and fighters. They want all this shit. They want to hear all these different people talk. All these different perspectives. And to a huge obligation.

You know, I feel connected to all these people. I know I don't talk to them all the time. I don't see, but I feel it. I know it. And I'm dedicated.

So I just keep my phone on the gas.

I never say, "Oh, I can't believe I have to do this."

"Oh, I can't believe I have to show up." >> Yeah. >> I always try to reset every day and go, "God, I'm so lucky." It's so fortunate. And then, you know, when you have that opportunity,

I think it's a terrible tragedy. A travesty to not capitalize on it. To not like make the most out of it. Because I know that it's like very few human beings in the world. Well, I mean, how many people have ever had the number one podcast?

It's always gone back and forth. I've had it for like six years now. Six or seven, might be seven years now. And it's like, I'm not keeping my phone off the gas. >> No.

>> I'm going to do what I'm doing. I'm going to do it my best. I'm going to keep doing it until the fucking wheels fall off. >> That's like, people have said, like with bow hunting and stuff. If you work your ass off to get this place where you're respected, right?

And then there's going to be people that want your position. And like with your attitude, my attitude too is like fucking come get it. Come try to take it because I'm working my ass off still. >> We were hanging out somewhere and you said one of the coldest things to this dude. This dude was, we were all just fucking around.

I really even forget who it was because it didn't matter. And he said, yeah, and after that, I'm going to challenge you to a race. And you go, good luck with that. >> It was so cold. >> You go, yeah.

Even remotely taking seriously. It was like a five-year-old saying they're going to kick my ass. >> Yeah. >> Good luck with that. >> Yeah, I mean you get confident when it's something you do.

>> Yeah. >> Further down the line than anybody. >> Yeah. >> And so if you're going to take my spot. >> Yeah.

>> I mean, it's been a grind dude for 40 years. >> Yeah, the whole taking the spot thing is so stupid because everybody's on their own little journey. And you could look at it in terms of I'm going to take that guy's spot. And maybe that's your motivation.

And that's cool in all that. But there's a negative attached that motivation. If you don't have an actual personal beef with someone and you hate them just because they're in a position that you wish you are. You're a wasting energy. I know this sounds like very hippy, but it's true.

That energy instead should be celebrating that there's people like that out in the world that do inspire you and are out there. Pushing themselves to extreme limits and then excelling. Whatever it is, whatever it's fucking playing guitar or doing stand-up comedy.

“You should look at those people like, "Wow, what are they doing that I can do?”

The make myself more successful or better?" Or, "Where can I get to a point? How can I get to a point where I'm like them?" But most people don't do that. Most people like fuck that guy.

That guy fucking sucks. This sucks and fucking easy pussy. And he's a diss and he's using steroids. And he's fucking lying about how many miles he runs. >> Yeah.

>> There's always going to be people like that.

And I'm telling my message to the haters. I was a hater, when I was a kid, I was 100% a hater. 100%. Like all the other people, like when I was fighting, everybody else was a pussy. They were all pussy.

Unless they were wearing my weight division. They were wearing my weight division then I could celebrate. Everybody in my weight division was a pussy. I'm going to fuck that guy up. He's got nothing.

I could never celebrate people. Even like national champions, people with the right to celebrate them. >> Right. >> It's a waste. It's a waste of energy.

>> Yeah. >> And you get more energy out of looking at what they do well and analyzing it and being inspired by it. It's a hard struggle because your ego wants you to compare yourself to them and find flaws in them. Fuck that guy, fuck this, fuck that. It's a waste of energy.

>> Yeah.

“>> You have to be selfish with your energy.”

Your energy is very critical.

It's everything in life. Everything you do in life is dependent upon you having energy. And for you to waste your energy in some stupid ego-driven direction.

Just because you're too weak to recognize like, oh, this guy can kick my ass.

Oh, this guy could shoot a bow further than me. Oh, this guy runs way farther than I can run. Oh, this guy's way better at playing guitar than me. What the fuck can I do to get where he's at? >> Yeah.

>> You got to just, that's a trap because not only does it take away energy. It takes away progress. It takes away energy from you investing in you being better in the future. >> Right. >> It's bad all around.

>> Yeah. >> There's no good to it at all. >> No, I agree with that. And it's like that energy is a resource that we have to protect.

“I think that when you talk about like, you talk about all the outliers that you have this conversation with,”

or sit across the table from you. And I think you're attitude and how you look at things like in that lens. That makes people want to come up. Like you list all these people and people want to hear what they have to say. People want to hear what they have to say to you because you have a way of drawing out more information in a different way,

because your attitude is so pure. I think like, even if you didn't believe what you said. It would still, if you just said like, I want to be positive, but your questions were all negative like in tone or like confrontation on tone. People wouldn't want to be on here.

Like they want to be on here now. You being positive and looking at things like, how can I get better? How can I grow? How can we all learn and get better from this? That's the lens that you put the information that comes out through these microphones out into the world,

which means people are attracted to you. People are attracted to the guests you have. People are attracted to the show. And so yeah, that energy. Even though even if we don't admit it, we are attracted to it.

You know what I mean? You seek it out. And I know when I like to hear people paint a picture of something that gives me hope. I don't want to hear about how fucked up everything is all the time. Right.

I want hope. How can I have hope? Because hope gives me purpose and like, okay, I can do this. I can get to work and this will pay off.

“So I think it's like it's more complicated than we think.”

But there's a reason why your number one have been number one. And it's your attitude. And it's how you speak to people. It's also I got in really early, right? So I got in at like 2009.

And there was hardly anybody doing it back then. Yeah. So you could. You could also. I wasn't as famous back then.

So you could do it for a long time before anybody noticed you were doing it. Right. So you could hone your craft. Right. You didn't have a bunch of comments that you had to sift through.

You didn't have to. You just did it. If you started now, maybe you wouldn't be number one. I wouldn't be. You know what I mean?

Because there's too many podcasts. I mean, how many podcasts are there now? Yeah. Like what's the number?

Ten million five million.

We checked those like seven or eight million. It probably keeps growing every week. So because everybody thinks they can do it. Because everybody can talk. Well.

And the people starting now, they might be you down the road. Oh, yeah. For sure. There might be some. They'll be them.

Incredible conversationalists that they'll be them. They'll be a different thing than me. But they'll be amazing at it. But you had because you had this insight or you saw Tom Green or whoever it was. That like, hey, maybe I could do that.

You started this process of this decades of honing your craft to where it is now. And now you've been on top for six, seven years. Right? And it's just because of all those reps that you did.

It's no different than anything we always talk about.

It's everything. It's reps. Yeah. And it's just like you want to get good to something. Yeah.

You know, fail. Keep doing it. Fail. There's reps, pools, reps, martial arts or reps. It's all reps.

It's all experience. And it's all like being like super focused on what you're trying to do. Whatever it is. Yeah.

“I think like I even think of, you know, I love Sean Ryan.”

And he's has an incredible podcast. But I get why this is happening. He's pretty down kind of on a lot right now. Just with government, with Israel, with Epstein, with all that, which is by design almost. They want us to be hopeless.

And I don't want to be conspiracy theorists, but they do want us hopeless because we can be controlled. But Sean, his podcast lately has taken more, I don't want to say dark because it's more real. But it's like, it's darker. So I just think that attracts less people in a different type of person than yours. You have every reason to be dark about things.

And you are sometimes. But that's not the theme of you.

Well, I think these, it's like, first of all, people that aren't comedians, they're limited.

And what they could talk about in the way they could talk about things. You know, being a comedian is, there's a little bit of a safety. A little freedom. Yeah.

You know, it's like, yeah.

You're fucking around. You get a little, get, get a little, you can write it off a little bit. It's also, there's, that's real in terms of like, another layer of conversation. Like, there's a layer of conversation that is commonly known as talking shit. And talking shit is a thing that you do, where you're with your boys.

And you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny. Yeah. And you make each other laugh. You talk about how many dicks you suck last night, you know, why is your mouth so sore? You know, like, you fuck around.

You say things you, you're silly. You know, you talk about, oh, you know, it's hard doing all this math. You know, you don't, you're not really doing math, right? There's, you're, you're, you're not really having gay sex. Right?

You're fucking around. Yeah. And when you can't fuck around, there's a whole realm of the conversation that's missing. Yeah, for sure. And there's a whole like, like, get out of jail pass.

Like, let's have fun. Just sit up a little here. Well, and then you can't loosen up your serious. Right. And then where does the conversation go back to the serious part, which changes it?

It's also the serious stuff is what gets engagement. Yeah. And that's a little bit of a trap where if you only focus on the bad of the world.

“And it's not saying you should ignore the bad of the world.”

No. You certainly shouldn't. But if you only focus on the bad of the world, it's kind of a trap. Yeah. Because it'll fuck your head up, too.

That's whimming in negativity all the time. That's what I see. Sean, that's a feeling I've got with Sean lately, whereas with the differences with you, there's a reset.

There's always this reset back to good.

The message is good. Yeah. And I don't think you. I don't think you. That's not by design.

That's just who you are. Yeah. No. It's just, that's all I think. Yeah.

You can only dwell on negativity so much. Most of your day is not negative, in fact. Yeah. There's things that you need to be aware of. The pair of them and the problem is is no, it's not.

But our voices are often times negative. So it's easy. If you get in that trap where you're listening to negative and you're thinking negative, it's a lot of negative, dude. Yeah.

So it's like knowing that, you know, I can go down a negative rabbit hole, pretty easy. I try to avoid waiting in that. Well, sometimes it's like you just get fed up. Like, we're the fucker these Epsteen files. Yeah.

Who the fuck is this? Why is this redacted? Where is it? Who the fuck killed JFK? Right.

Like, come out with it. Who fucking killed Charlie Kirk for real? Yeah. Like, what is that? Why is that fucking story so clouded in mystery?

Yeah.

“Why do they pave over the fucking ground right after the shooting?”

What the fuck is going on there? See, now you're making me an abadmist. But that it's easy to do. It's easy to do. It's easy to do.

So you get locked up and you see, do you see my notes? Look at my two on the very top. Was it safe to stay positive? Be nice. And what does that other one say?

You have terrible handling. Be positive. Oh, be nice, be positive. But you're handwriting's terrible. It should be a doctor.

But no, I have to remind myself. Because if you start mentioning those things that you just did. Oh, it's hard. Dude, I will fucking lose my shit. Because I'm so pissed.

I know. And it should be. And we will all, we're a pissed. We're all, you know, we all thought that, you know, all that stuff was going to be released right after the election.

It's going to, we're going to drain this swamp and find all the pedophiles.

Well, the first term was more like that.

That's what gave me hope for this term. The first term, there was some draining the swamp going on. I felt. Then we had the Biden disaster. And now the second term has been, I don't even know what this is.

I don't even know where it is. Well, it would have been a whole lot different. First of all, if we didn't bomb Iran. I feel like we bombed him the first time. We were good.

“The second time was like, even the first time was like, what the fuck are we doing?”

Yeah. And then when they were saying like, this is it. The escalations over. We're going to work this out. Like, oh, yeah.

Yeah. And the second time when we bombed him, I was like, oh, fucking great. Mm-hmm. Now, and the most people don't want it. That's the real problem.

Most people in the country don't want it. Now look, I know fucking foreign policy expert. I don't know what's going on over there. But I do know that all the people I know that really support Israel above everything else. They're fucking super happy about it.

And I'm like, but all the people I know that are like America first.

And we're people that are like, no new wars. That really thought that we're going to change things. And this is all just for money. We're not going to sacrifice soldiers for fucking money. Those people are all upset.

I don't know really what's going on though. That's the problem. And I really wish I understood Iranian politics more. And the Iranian military structure, because it seems like that's super fucking complicated. They've been preparing to be attacked like this forever.

And so they have like all these layers of control. Like when this guy gets taken out, new guys are like ready to fill their spot. And then when we're negotiating with the new guy, Israel kills him.

He's like, the fuck is going on.

And then what happened yesterday?

They captured like 20 oil tankers. Oh, did they? I didn't even see that. Yeah, there was some, I don't know. It might be bullshit. I just read it on the toilet.

“In one of the rare weak moments where I travel to X.”

Yeah, it's a boy, but so healthy lately. Last few months, just staying off a fucking Instagram. Really? Staying off a Twitter, just not reading anything. Yeah.

They're not anything. But Instagram started funneling me schizophrenics. Oh, I don't know how. That's all good ones. My name is Dolores.

I am the real granddaughter of JFK, the gold that's in the basement is all mine. Trying to stuff shit inside my vagina. They wake me up in the middle of the night. Like crazy people. Yeah.

Not just one, but like a whole fucking series of them. And I started getting those a couple of weeks ago. And again, I might spend like 10, 15 minutes.

But it's all schizophrenic people.

I got to get off of this. Yeah. There's no reason. It's interesting. That's what it raises.

That's what it gets you hooked. I got this one lady. She was a hooker and she's a crockhead. And she thinks everyone's a man. So she'll show up photos of all these different people.

That's how fucking man. She's just fucking out a lot. One guy thinks he's the rifle president of the United States. And he wears like dirty old suit. And you can look at his eyes.

He's out there. The dude's gone. He lives in a completely different dimension than we do. He's on Instagram. I start watching like sometimes street fights.

Oh, I watch a lot of those. There's a lot of those out there. Or the drinks or the jokes or pets. It's like, it's cool. And then it's just like, but they, it's just a trap.

You just keep you there. And then an hour's gone. And you're like, what did I do for an hour? It's just terrible for you. But since I've been really good about it, it's just so much healthy.

When I take like full days like days off, I feel so much better at that.

“And I'm like, remember when we were at Hawaii, we went to Hawaii for years back.”

And we went bow hunting in for access deer on the night. And I broke my phone. I don't know if you remember this. Yeah, I do. My phone just start calling people.

Yeah, I believe this is crazy. I hang up. It's start calling new person. Hang up. So I had to get a new phone.

It took like three days. And it was like three of the happiest days of my life. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I should just get rid of my phone. I was thinking that, but I was like, oh, can't wait till my phone gets here.

Well, there's that words really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I captured those memories. Yeah. And if you have a question.

Yeah.

I love it because I've always had a question about something.

I love that Siri now. You could just press Siri and ask it a question. Like, how many minutes are in a month? And it'll just tell you. Yeah.

Like, right on. Like, you'd be driving on the car. You have a question. Just press a button. How many times do you have a question?

“You're just like, oh, probably never figured that out.”

Exactly. But now, no question goes in answer. Literally instantaneous. Yeah. And, you know, I'll use perplexity all throughout the day to just ask your questions.

Because I'm just driving around or I'm sitting at home. And I'm like, I wonder how that happened. And just now you know, like instantaneously. Yeah. But the dealing with all the people stuff.

That's where I checked out. I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I don't like, it's like, if you get a bowl of soup and there's little pieces of meat, but most of the soup is shit. All right.

I would recommend not eating that soup. Yeah. And that's what social media is like. It's like, I get some meat out of it here and there. I get some interesting stories about science and some new discovery from the James web

telescope. Wow, this is fucking cool. And it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole where I'm like studying things and getting excited about things. And then I'll just deal with some fucking cooks and crazy people and shitheads and grifters and people that are mad that people are white and people that are mad that people are black and like, oh, fuck Christ.

It's exhausting. It's too much. It's exhausting. Yeah. It's just eating soup with shit in it.

Yeah. It's just like it's not worth it. Yeah. Speaking of which, you brought in some of that bear. Perhaps some of that son.

And so a lot of people are of the opinion that black bear is not an edible meat. And that is, that is incorrect. I got a grizzly cover here full of all sorts of people. People can't hear you. Unless you're on that microphone.

Okay. Give me some. So also this. No one can hear that either. You got to get to the microphone.

Also this. Put that thing down and have a seat. There we go. So if you have who Casey Brooks is, I've heard the name. So he killed the world record elk.

That's right. Yeah. That giant one. That thing is cruel. So he does.

This is like super hot stuff. Oh. Here's what it's called. What does he need? No about cheleden.

Whatever. See ours.

Cheleden.

No. He didn't know about. Well, it's all worn out. I know. Maybe I'm not.

But mighty chelian chili.

Yeah. Okay.

“You put that on like when you're cooking steaks.”

Where's that knife, Jamie? Yeah. Oh, sorry. Thank you. Look at that.

Oh, sweet. Oh, look at that. Fucking hell. Oh, my god. That thing is literally nuts.

What was the score on that? It's like 386 or something? No. 486. Or no.

486. Yeah. 286. Because the 500. Yeah.

Wow. This smell strong. Does it? Oh, my god. Yeah.

So these are the chili. Yeah. He said you don't need much. It says. What did it say?

For 80.

It says sprinkle this shit on everything.

Okay. Yeah. This is cool. Yeah. So I brought in also.

Ooh. Do you know his son? It's not really good. Color. I mean, I don't know.

I know he makes calls. Yeah. We don't usually mess around with that.

“I learned how to do these just last year.”

His son is Bob Brooks. Yeah. Make a female. Because I have a little one that I blow on. Yeah.

How to use a read. Yeah. The mouth read. I definitely don't know how to make an elk set with the tube. I'm fucking terrible.

Well, let me see that in that real quick. Might. Yeah. This is your pack out scanner from Montana night. But.

Here's a good stuff right here. So we got some of this. Tell me what you think of this. I've had it the last time you brought us from the same. No.

This is butcher companies. This lights up in Portland. And this is Ronnie. Ronnie's the man, dude. Lincoln Oregon has a good wild game.

I think it's more like gracious. Jesus, sir. But it's so good. Oh, that is good. Tell me what you think of that.

That's my doctor. Yeah, that. Thank you, Ronnie. And then this is. No trick analysis, right?

How trick analysis free. And this is. If you ever test yourself to trick analysis. If you have it, you might already have us in bear jerky too. You might have it in ignored it.

So that the jerky is so good. And also like this says whites on right here. White's country meets. So we got sausage. Oh, you made breakfast sausage?

Yeah, it's so good. Nice. And then we got some rendered bear fat right here. Oh, why? Gosh, you're that.

So you can cook with that. Oh, it's dark. Yeah. Why is this so dark? I don't know.

Um. That's crazy. Yeah. Clay Newcomb gave me something. Did he?

Yeah, okay. Have you ever used it? Yeah, I cooked steaks with it. Okay. It's great for searing steaks.

You know, just like even beef towel. Yeah. But it gives it a different flavor. Sure, definitely. So he did.

It's like. And also like the the bear in the spring. They're fat is a little different. So it's it just reacts differently. I for me, making the pepperoni in rendering the fat.

It just reacts a little differently because they've just come out of hibernation up there. This is a form of the big bear. I just killed. And yeah, so it's just perfect timing for I guess rendering fat and making sausage. I was watching those videos that Jen was making from bare camp.

Yeah. Well, she smoked that bear for like 24 hours. Yeah. So good. God, looking same.

Yeah. Looks like so good. They're like, she's like a gourmet chef now with bear. Yeah. And then they had the meat church guy up there this last week.

Yeah. And so they were like, you know, bear meat. When you put a whole back ham on the trigger.

“So she, she let it soak marinade for four days, right?”

And I saw people saying, oh, if you did chew leather for four days, it'd be good. Whatever. I'm just telling you what it was. Four days, then 20 hours of a slow cook on the trigger. Best meat you've ever had.

It's just like incredible.

That's bear. And you know, there's like people talk about the settlers back in the day. They would eat bear and just kill deer for hides. That's amazing. To make clothing because bear was superior meat.

So people have fallen into this trap of like believing that bear meat isn't good. And it's amazing. Well, it's because of Yogi. Yeah. Yogi fucked us.

Probably. Yeah. Yogi and the one that tells you not to start fires. Is that guy? Smoky.

Smoky. Smoky the bear. Yogi. Yeah. They fucked us.

Yeah, they did. And Disney, Disney fucked us. You know, if it wasn't for those anthropomorphizations of animals, where they turned them into sweet, you know, beautiful creatures that talk to you. Yeah.

We would have a completely different idea of animals. And they would have much more realistic idea of animals. Sure. Which I think most hunters have. You love them.

You respect them. But they all have to be managed. And I said Whitney Cummings a video that they got in Santa Monica the other day of a mountain line. And someone's backyard. Big fucker.

Just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard in Santa Monica, man. Yeah. There. I mean, I don't know if you know where anymore. I can't do too much.

People get annoyed. Oh, yeah. That's true. Yeah.

That's a jalapeno cheddar.

How's it taste? You taste it?

“The first one I had was jalapeno cheddar.”

Yeah. It's fucking great. It was really good. So good. Yeah.

And I know what people say. Oh, you can make anything. Look at that. That's the cat in the backyard. Oh, man.

You have fucking nuts, man. Look at his eyes. Yeah. Fuck you, man. Fuck you.

Yeah. It's, uh. Meanwhile, they built a stupid bridge for them. And it's a way over budget.

It's over a hundred million dollars now for the stupid fucking bridge.

We have to make sure that the monsters can get across the highway safety. Trust me. I am of a completely different opinion. I say, put one of those fucking big ass grills on your car. Like I have my land cruiser.

Yeah. And let's hope we get a few of them. Yeah. So they don't kill people's dogs. Mm-hmm.

Look at his right there. The middle of his 14th. This is knocked down for him. That is bananas. Look where it is.

Like look how dense. Look how dense the housing is. There is a mountain lion right there. And they think a mountain lion's, you know, go find this bridge. Well, they probably will eventually find the bridge.

But there's a bunch of retards. It'll still make their way across the highway. And they're supposed to get hit. That's nature. Yeah.

Let's figure it out. Yeah. Figure it out. Or die. Yeah.

Figure it out or die. There's too many of them. They're so unrealistic about their mountain lion numbers. Yeah. There's way too many of them.

They're all over California. Yeah. Because they don't manage them.

“That's how we talked about that last time.”

And it's like, I just wonder, what is, you know, what's the goal? Because now, you know, I wore the shirt today. Because now public land is again back in the cross here. I don't know if you saw that. Yeah.

What is going on? This Michael E. Guy. The same guy. Same fucking guy. He, he, he trying to like,

That's the Utah guy, right? The Utah guy. Yeah. So right now is like, there's this, this bill that was going to be introduced who's like talking about wildfires, essentially.

But it's like, it's what he's done. And he's tied in this public land piece to it. Like they always do.

There's always these other provisions tied into with all these bills, right?

Right. And you don't really know what you're agreeing to or what you're not. But he, he put in this, uh, roadless area section. Because there's four or 45 million acres of roadless area that he wants access to. Basically, they're not saying this or saying for some other reason.

I think, oh, here's what they said. We have so many acres of, of roadless area that to fight wildfires. We need roads. Okay. They don't care about fighting wildfires.

“It's a care about resource extraction or development, right?”

Maybe development, but development is a tough selling of all those wilderness areas. But what's not. That's what they tried with this. Remember, remember the affordable housing? Yeah.

Like, oh, just the area. That's what it was. That was supposedly affordable housing. Which, like years ago, I went back and talked to Jason Chaifus. He was, uh, he was a representative of there in Utah.

And I went back there and spoke to him at that time. It was about a surplus acreage. So there's just three million surplus acres. Nobody's using. Someone told me that has something to do with the Mormon religion.

That the Mormon religion has a philosophy about selling land. That's very different than our philosophy. They might. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

And I say, somebody told me that. See if there's any reality to that. That the Mormons almost have like a mandate to try to sell land. Hmm. I don't know if that makes any sense.

This is not my thought. Someone told me this. And I was like, wait, what? And I don't think I ever looked it up. Right.

That I do that too. I'm like, I need to look that up. And I never do.

And then I never know anything more.

But yeah, so I went back talk to Jason at that time. It was a surplus acreage. Then this time it was affordable housing. Now this time is wild while firefighting. Which if you get into the weeds on fighting wildfires,

it's there's the National Forest Service already has ten billion dollars of roadwork they need to do on roads that are failing right now. So they're saying you're going to add more roads to the ten billion dollars with a work that the roads already need maintenance on. Don't think so.

What they're going to do is. And then also if you make roads, the the stats say 85 to 90 percent of fires are started within a half mile of a road. So it's not the wilderness areas that are in danger that we need to figure out how to fight fires back there.

This hardly any fires back there. It's always about the roads we've created that we can't maintain. That's where the fires are starting, right? Right, because it's usually people. It's human cause 90 percent of the time.

That's only like a small percentage of fires that can't be fought. Here it is. Some Utah politicians who are members of the LDS Mormon Church have pushed proposals to sell or transfer federal public lands. But this is a political movement not an official LDS church program.

Other Mormon groups openly oppose it.

So Utah's see more disinformation. Yeah, and I kind of helped spread it. Utah's heavily dominated by federal land.

42 percent of the state is managed by the Bureau of Land Management alone.

Even more under other federal agencies because so much federal. So much of Utah's federal fights over whether retain transfer or sell some of that land is especially intense there. Yeah, this next part is about Mike Lee. Which conservative Utah Republican such as Senator Mike Lee have proposed

budget or legislative plans that would make millions of acres of Western public land eligible for sale, arguing it would boost housing or local economies. The housing thing is like, hey man, fuck you. You're not putting houses in the mountains. I don't believe you.

“Well, I think most likely what you're doing is there's natural gas out there”

or minerals out there or something. It's, I mean, they don't care about. First of all, they'd have to build infrastructure out there in the mountains which, you know, water, power. It's not going to happen.

What is this Wyoming thing? This is that Wyoming case would have been the first time a registered national historic site was sold into private ownership, which is why it drew attention.

What are they referring to though?

A national historic site among Oregon Trail could end up in the hands of private owners at the request of members of the Church of Jesus Christ's Latter day Saints. So the church tried to purchase public land. So down down that next one, it says LDS teachings require strong stewardship and is specifically advocate preserving a protected public land.

So that goes, it's just politicians. Like what he's doing. And I think he's like beholden to Trump. Trump's like his errand boy for this public land thing. Because Trump doesn't give a fuck about public land.

But his son does. This is what doesn't make any sense. Like his daughter's junior. Does he listen to anybody? I don't know.

I don't think so. Talk to me about psychedelics. Well, that okay. We'll talk to him about this thing. Is that it again?

“What's sneaky rolled this rule amendment?”

Yeah. Well, maybe if I see him this weekend, why we'll see him this weekend. But maybe I'll talk to him about that. But I don't think there was a sentence in there that I just saw. It says 99% right here.

Right in the middle. And 99% of Americans oppose repealing the rolled this rule. Okay. So why they work for us? Isn't that right?

So there isn't why I got to this is because you talked about the mountain lions. It's like why don't they listen to people. Do like the public. The public would say, yeah, we probably need to hunt mountain lions. Keep a manager.

I don't think the public of California would. Well, I'm opposed to that. Right. Opposed the ballot box by all. No, no, me too.

So they got wolves in the Colorado. But I'm just wondering, like with this, this roadless rule. They didn't ask a public anything. Right. And 99% of the public oppose it.

Yeah.

“That's why I think I would say way more people oppose that than oppose any kind of hunting thing.”

Yeah. I'm good with, okay. So on your point, then I want biologists making the decision on hunting. 100%. I don't want politicians making the decision on land use.

100%. Right. So that's all I'm saying. It's like, let's have experts in the field decide these things. Who is expert in the field who decided the White House needs a ballroom?

Uh, me. I'd call in. No. But it's like, how are these decisions being made? Like this roadless rule.

This was like a last minute add-on that the public did not get a chance to vote on. Right. How is that? How is that okay? No, it's on okay.

It's super fucking sneaky. And I think all of our position should be like your t-shirt. The Teddy Roosevelt position. Yeah. Not one acre.

Like we have an amazing system here.

What we do. The public land system in the United States is completely unique to the rest of the world. It's very different. And the fact that you can go out there and that is your land. If you're a citizen of the United States of America, public land is your land.

And you have access to incredible wilderness and beautiful places. And if you've got the endurance and the ability to go deep in there, you could go to places where there's no fucking people. And it's unbelievably pristine wilderness and it's owned by the entire country. And we've got to keep it that way. We can't let that slippery slope get into play.

As soon as they start giving away some of it or selling away some of it, they'll fucking keep going. It not one acre. Once you lose something, you don't get it back. Ever. And especially with this public land.

Like at this time, when we all came together, it was outdoorsmen in all regards. It was hunting, hiking, fishing, whoever. Recreators. Yeah. Like, it's like people who just love and appreciate public lands.

We all came together, shot it down. And the public sentiment was vicious, right? And they couldn't ignore it.

We need the same thing now.

Because at this time, I know we did so much everybody came together.

But when they do these, they wear us down with these last minute deals and add on these things.

“Because it's like, how many things can you keep fighting and fighting and fighting?”

And you're like, I thought we already got this. Didn't we solve this already? And now it's back. Well, I think that's one of the reasons why they keep somebody fucking balls in the air at the same time. Because you can't fight at all.

You know, it's like, do you really care about the Epstein files? Or do you care about UFO disclosure? Yeah, I know. The UFO UFO APIs. We're going to have a big meeting on Monday.

We're going to have a big release on Wednesday. So I think they took to me. It seems pretty nefarious that they're like, say, oh, we got all these fucking dipshits. We're about this real loose rule. Okay.

We can distract some of them with aliens. Got an aliens stuff. All right. Okay. Oh, we could distract some of them with fighting.

We got the White House fight coming up. Okay. That's. And now we're sitting now. It's way quieter because they've distracted some of these group core groups with this other bullshit, right?

And it's the bread and circus thing. And like, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell who said this that it's not for the White House to be putting on. Sporting defense. This is not. We hire the government to run our country, not entertain us.

True. Yeah. No. I look.

“I don't like it because I think they should be fighting indoors always.”

I think world championship fights at the highest level should be fought in a controlled environment. That said, it's going to be sick. It's going to be. It's going to be. I'm going to watch.

I have to, like, people to go at Rogan's negative. I'm not negative, but I'm not positive either. I don't.

If it was me if I was running the the UFC, I would never run the UFC.

But if I was running the UFC, I would have never wanted to do it. Yeah. I don't say we can't do it. They have to be in a controlled environment. We can't have a world championship fight.

We can't have someone win or lose because they're outside and it's muggy. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense to me. It's going to affect the grappling. It's going to be like hot oil wrestling.

Everyone's going to be sweaty as well. Oh, yeah. It's going to be completely different. And also your endurance is going to be less. No, no submissions going probably going to happen.

Well, you know, maybe, but also you can get under a neck wake quicker. All right. Right. Slide your arm through there. Yeah.

You can cinch up a rear naked choke with someone sweat. Yeah. You get. Get it right under the chin. Yeah.

That'd be. It slides in there. But most grapplers would not prefer that. Most grapplers would prefer an air conditioned arena. Just like two degrees.

Just like it always is. You know, it should be air conditioned. Like it always is. But even the controlling the hands. Because you know, like if you're top or bottom.

Like the big part is like the risk control. Yeah. Like if you're sweaty. Oh, yeah. That's tough.

I mean, chicken. The old days dudes used to lie down in a bathtub filled with baby oil. Yeah. And then they would wash it off. And so then they would, you know, get warmed up.

And then when they would start sweating, the baby oil will come out of their pores. Because it's like when you soak in baby oil for hours. I'm not accused of getting individuals doing this. But I know for a fact it happened. And guys would be completely greased up.

Yeah. You could wipe them down with a towel. It wouldn't matter. I mean, the grease is everywhere. It's in their fucking pores.

And as soon as they start sweating, you try to get a whole of muscles. Wait. It's like trying to hold onto a fucking salmon in the middle of the water. They just flip right out of your fingers. Well, that happens to if you eat McDonald's all the time.

That's kind of grease out your pores. So they should try that. Maybe that'll work. I think that affects your performance. But the sweat is going to be a big issue.

The outside, the bugs. That's going to be a big issue. The understorms. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Another forecast is that we're talking about two o'clock. Rain, three o'clock thunderstorms, seven o'clock. Rain. It looks great. Oh, by eight o'clock, it's only showers.

Don't be a pussy. Just showers. Yeah. Maybe they'll cancel it.

“Look, I think if they canceled it and moved it indoors,”

it'd be better for everybody. I don't like it. I think the idea was like, they want the octagon, the White House behind it. Yeah.

For image and everything like that, it's going to be dope. The car is sick.

It's a fucking amazing car.

Yeah. The car means only seven fights and all of them are bangers from the opening one with Steve Garcia and Diego Lopez. Bam right off the gate. It's like bow nickel and Kyle Dawkins.

Bam right off the gate. I mean, it's going to be a sick fucking car. The car is amazing. That does look incredible. Incredible.

That's the lightning catcher that they put over the back. Yeah, it's going to be nuts. It's going to be nuts if it happens. But if it rains like crazy, you know. But I mean, everybody will love it if it rains.

All the people who hate it. Yeah. Rain on those mega fuchs. You're ruining our country, man. I know.

It's a very divided time. Oh, it's nuts. Yeah. Like I said, my concern is for the athletes. A fighter's career is very short, a loss is devastating.

To not have perfect conditions to fight in, I think it's crazy.

Yeah. But it's also going to be sick.

“It's like being there is going to be nuts.”

And maybe it's worth it. I don't know. We'll find out.

Well, you got to hand it to Dana for going big like he always does.

He always does. I mean, you know, they always does. He was at this fear in Vegas, right? It's like wasn't that was out of the box. But it's amazing.

Yeah. That was sick. That was a one time only thing. That was so much money. But this is a one time only thing supposedly, too.

But apparently Trump doesn't want to take the octagon down. He wants to leave it up. Really? I don't know. Man.

I think it would be great. Have guys like, you know, come in and train at the White House for a couple of weeks. That'd be the next gimmick. I don't know why not. Fuck it.

Yeah. It's just old things chaos anyway. It's a crazy time. I mean, what Biden could have a giant LB GT flag in front of the White House and have trans people pulling their breasts out.

Remember that? I know. They had big pride day. They had big pride flag in front of the White House. I'll take this over that.

It's like all of it is silly. Yeah.

“It's also that should have nothing to do with the White House.”

This should have nothing to do with the White House. Right. But, you know, and then there's a lawsuit right now. I'm trying to suit. Keep this stuff safe.

They'll probably lose. Yeah. I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. But I would imagine they're not going to win.

I'm a huge fighting fan. You have C fan. You know, Dana White is like it. And icon. I love all the fighters.

I just love everything about it. It's, uh, I just, you know, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell's take on it, which you can get in trouble with agreeing with him because he has a lot of takes. But, uh, but on this one, I kind of get it.

And, um, yeah. I mean, I don't blame the fighters at all for jumping into this opportunity. No. It's like the whole world's going to watch. It's going to be probably the most watch sporting event.

Maybe in history. Mm-hmm. I mean, uh, it's on paramount. So it'll be on CBS as well, right? I don't know.

So it'll be probably built. It's not CBS. Yes. So it's on CBS as well. So it'll be available to everybody.

And then all the haters are going to watch it, too. I'll for sure. And I want to talk shit. Yeah. Yeah.

So it'll probably cover down seeing and what a disaster was. And there were a lot about how I'm not into it. Yeah. But I have to be honest about what I'm into and what I'm not into. I can't just agree with something if I don't agree with it.

I'll be respectful. I'll, you know, I'm obviously a huge fan of the UFC.

And it's always an honor to work for them.

And I love it. But I don't like it. But I'll still. Yeah. And I'm there.

I'm like, oh, this is sick. Oh, maybe after it's over. I'm like, they were right. Or maybe it'll be like, oh, I'm fucking rained. It was what a shit show.

Yeah. It was like, name the canceled the fights. It was a huge disaster for CBS. It's live sports. Yeah.

It's like you never know. I mean, if they pull the entire audience out and just have the guys fight in the cage under the canopy, now I'm in. Yeah. That's like apex style.

Now I like it. Yeah. I like it. No crowd. Just us.

Just me DC and Anna. Ooh. That'd be pretty fine. Like it. Now like it.

And, you know, we're protected by the rain. But everybody else isn't. So they all have to leave. But yeah.

“Because I think it's going to be also a lot of, like, look at me.”

People are going to dress up nice for it. And, like, because they know they're going to be on television. Oh, yeah. And it's, you know, I get it. But it's really for me.

It's about the fights. Yeah. There's gigantic fights on that car. They just engage the Iliotopory of fight. I'm very interested in that fight.

I'm very interested in that fight. I'm really wish it was like at the T mobile or Madison Square Garden or whatever. But who cares? I, that's a fight. I have a lot of questions about.

Yeah. I mean, Justin's quite a bit bigger. But Ilias so skilled. Bro, he is. I watched a whole, I watched his entire career last night.

So there was a, do you have see put out a video about Ilias saying is Iliotopory of the goat?

And it goes from his first fight.

In the UFC, to his last victory. And he watched every single fight of his career. And you watch him get better over time. And, you know, it gets deeper into his career. And then you, you see his last three fights.

And you're like, good lord. Yeah. He was awesome when he first entered the UFC. But he just kept getting better. So the use of the law fights, the first fight.

That goes to a decision. You know, and then you, you watch the progression. He starts KO in people. His last three chaos over the biggest stars. There's some of the greatest of all time.

Max. Yeah. Cholo Vera. Yeah. Troms all together.

One of the greatest of all times. Max Holloway, one of the greatest of all times. And then Alexander Volcanowski, the greatest featherweight of all time. Yeah. Like fucking crazy.

Not them out. Not all three of them out.

That's one of the greatest resumes of all time.

CBS won't air UFC White House event. Viewers would need paramount plus to watch. What happened? Is they back out of it? Oh.

Yeah. They were not televised. That means I wonder if like paramount. White decided, uh, cited the plan to tell America story during the show as the reason CBS would not be involved.

What the plan to tell America story? What? What does that mean? Uh, we don't want to talk about America story on CBS.

No, because there's only X number of fights and it starts from the first one

White said we start at the beginning of time. And like the Mexican Independence Day fight, we're going to have the story of America from the first fight to the last. So no, they'll all be on paramount. So it's going to start out with European settlers coming over and giving everyone

smallpox. And then you're going to see all the Indians die. And then we're going to go, oh, look at all these buffalo. Because there's no one there to kill him. And then we're going to see people come across on wagon trains and kill each other.

It should be fun. Yeah. It's going to be a good story. It's going to be a very accurate story. So how the United States started.

“It'll start from back when we fucked up Mexico and like, what was that?”

1861 to get Texas. No, what year did they, no, it was like 1821. Wasn't it like that that Mexico owned Texas? We'll start from the beginning. We'll go all the way to buying Alaska for like 50 bucks.

Yeah. People love it. Why wouldn't it be good? It would be great. Yeah.

It's, uh, I don't know. It's going to be a spectacle for sure. I'll be tuning in. Yeah. But I'll be there.

Yeah. It's going to be, you're at the White House all the time now. I've been there a couple of times. Yeah. Yeah.

It's weird. It's very weird. It's also very weird because, uh, as much as people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what he's doing and hate how he talks and my experiences with him personally

have always been fun, unfortunately.

Yeah. Unfortunately for everybody else. Like, uh, you know, if he likes you and you're on his good side, he's a fun guy to be around. Yeah. The fucking man loves America. He genuinely does.

He really does. Like, he wants to make the White House look better. He wants to build this ballroom because he wants, like he has good intentions in terms of America. It's just, there is not a single fucking person that's ever taken the job of the president of the United States. That's loved by everybody.

Yeah. But his, the, the issues that he's having right now is a lot of the stuff that is going on in this country is contrary. To what people voted for. And that's what people are upset about. The war, the war specifically.

That, I don't, you know, we voted for protect them border. Uh-huh. They did that. Yeah. It's, uh, American manufacturing, um, protecting America's interest like with trade with, um, just protecting people's jobs.

So we have a way to work and provide for our family.

Um, I mean, America first, that was what that sounded good to me.

And it feels like this isn't any of that. Like, I, I, it feels like even his administration at first. I was just like, oh, fuck, these are some, this is good. Right. But it feels like if you go against him in any way, you're fucking gone.

Well, it's that for sure. And then it's also, you know, the amount of political pressure.

“You know, you have to make deals, right?”

So you got the pharmaceutical drug companies that are trying to squeeze this in there. And then you got the oil company is trying to squeeze that. And the military is trying to squeeze this. And there's a lot of compromises that have to be made. And that's where things get dark.

Yeah. Because there's people that come in with these ideas that we're going to fix this and clean that. Like, I've had long conversations with RFK. And that kind of is in struggle all day. It's a matter of all day.

Yeah. It's dealing with all these pressures and look, they've been a lot of headway. They've made a lot of headway with peptides. They made a lot of headway with eliminating some of these unnecessary food dyes and all these different things that we've been subject to. But they lost with glyphosate.

Yeah. And that was a big one, man. Glyphosate was a big one. Yeah. I've got a guy coming on who's an expert in it.

That's going to talk about it soon. And it is the people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue. We don't really know how much of the health problems that a lot of people have who consume glyphosate, written products have. We don't know how much it's affecting you. What is it taking away from your immune system?

What is it taking away from?

“How much is your body processing this fucking toxic herbicide that's in your system?”

First, I mean, how much of that is contributing to people's health problems?

Yes.

There's a lot of people that think that that's what a lot of this gluten allergy shit is. People just reacting to bromate and pesticides and herbicides.

“But what's that stat with Iowa being the center for glycephate, basically, with all the agriculture there?”

And then that's like the hotbed for cancer. Yeah. I mean, yeah. You don't have to look very far to see that connection. No, you don't.

You know, that was also back in the day when people talk about the polio epidemic. You can't talk about the polio epidemic without also talking about spraying of DDT all over the fucking country. Because DDT poisoning has the exact same reaction. The body has the exact same reaction as polio, as paralytic polio polio polio polio polio. The disease, like there's this woman who wrote a great book on it.

Suzanne Humphries is a called dissolving allusions.

And it's all about that and all about, like, first of all, they were spraying it behind cars in streets where children were playing.

And people were getting angry. I remember seeing kids like running through it. But it wasn't just people that were getting polio. This is part of the problem with the narrative that it's polio animals were getting. Animals were getting polio.

Like animals were getting polio, but they don't get polio. It doesn't spread to animals, but their horses and fucking cows were getting paralyzed. They were getting the same symptoms. Because it's fucking DDT poison. Yeah.

And here's the craziest one. What percentage of polio is asymptomatic? I mean, you get it and you have no symptoms. I don't know. 95 to 99%.

Really? Yeah. So it's people have it. It's DDT. Yeah.

“I mean, look, it's not saying that some people that are very sick and immune compromise get polio”

and get fucked up and die. Of course, polio is bad. Thousands of people die every year from the flu. Food bad. Right?

Yeah. Okay. But you know what else is bad? DDT. Yeah.

You know, it else is going on when everybody was going through this whole polio epidemic. Fucking spraying DDT everywhere. And most people are ignorant to it. Yeah. And you bring it up.

They call you a conspiracy theorist. But it's fucking fact. Yeah. It's undeniable. I was like, you know, the controlling the weather.

I was like, that's conspiracy. But then I started seeing the planes like laying the fucking clouds out. Have you seen it? Yes. And no.

Okay. So I actually did a show on this. You did. Yes. I did it.

Not an episode of the podcast. I did an episode of Joe Rogan questions. Everything. No, that show that I used to do the back of the day. Yeah.

We did a whole episode on chem trails.

And one of the things we felt first of all.

The reason why it looks like that. This is just the fact. The reason why it looks like that is there's condensation in the atmosphere. You have a hot jet engine. It's passing through this cool air.

And the hot jet engine and the cool wet air creates clouds. Yeah. Those clouds are real. It's artificial clouds. Right.

Also, they spray shit in the air. Yeah. Well, two things are happening. Okay. Yeah.

Because you see the normal planes. You see the normal jet stream. You're like, okay, checks out. Then you see the other ones. And it's a different jet stream.

Yeah. But it doesn't matter. The condensation in the atmosphere is inconsistent. But they're major like clouds are inconsistent. Like, you can, we, we watch them another day make laps.

Yeah. But it might not be the same plane. It might just be a route. Right. You're not watching the entire plane go all the way down land and come back.

No, no. But you're watching consistent plane tratters. Yeah. But that's why it looks like that. But it's just days where there's a lot of condensation in the atmosphere.

Dude, I'm telling you, listen, those planes. If you look at a Southwest flight and look at it, they're not spraying. Okay. But some planes spray shit. Yeah.

And there are some weather modification experiments. They do. They're completely top secret. They don't let anybody know about it. They do cloud seating.

Yeah. They cause floods. Right. Like what happened with fucking Dubai. Right.

It was here that Dubai shit. Where Lamborghinis are floating down the highway. Yeah. That is people fucking with the environment.

“That's what I thought was conspiracy before.”

Which I don't know. No, it's real. Well, Abu Dhabi does it every week. Abu Dhabi makes it rain every week with cloud seating. And because they're rich.

Yeah. Like fucking make it rain. And so there's real weather modification. Now that's there's cloud seating. And then there's experimental shit.

Like some of the shit that like Bill Gates was talking about. Like spraying reflective particles in the atmosphere to block out the sun. Hey, fuck face. Yeah. Who are you to make a decision for the whole world to cool the world?

You didn't even graduate college. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. This is crazy.

And also the unintended consequences of any action that has never been taken before.

Like cooling off the fucking planet. What if this dipshit starts the next ice age? Never fucking dies. Right. I know.

I mean. Get the fuck out of the air. Leave us alone. Stop playing God. You don't know what you're doing.

Also do you have any money invested in any of these projects attached to this?

For sure. This, you know, we talk about all this stuff. You know, oh, I didn't want to say this. So for public land, I want to say this part of my notes. Call your senators.

Say you want the roadless rule kept intact. Say we don't want to get rid of the 45 million acres that are going to be protected with the roadless rule. But to call your senators, it's 202-224-3121. Say, say you want the roadless rules kept intact. And we have to let our voices hurt.

Our voice was hurt and it's not one acre. We won that one. We have to do it again.

“You have to call your senators and say and just voice your concerns.”

It's a slippery slope. You can't let them have any ground.

But like, what I, here's what, this thing was really pissed me off because as I said, did administration at first.

I thought, okay, we got some, we got some good pipe hitters in there. It feels like they do a Trump says if they don't, they're gone. They're like, they're the scapegoat for whatever failed. They're out of there. You can see the right on the wall.

I don't, I was, I wanted to see to get in there and kick ass because I knew how she felt about the war and I ran. And like that would a, how detrimental that would be. So I was like, I, I believed in her. And now with her husband getting sick and now she's out of there. But it feels like people are, it's like, if you stand up for something, you're gone.

And now they got this Mark Wayne moment in there who just two days ago for this roadless rule. He unwinded 31 laws that were going to protect the public land, right? Just 31 laws. He just said, yeah, those aren't going to apply anymore because we need to.

They awarded a 1.7 billion dollar contract to build a wall in Texas that big bin national park.

1.7 million. Billion dollars has been awarded and it wasn't even bid to build this wall in big bin national park here. It's like, how, the public doesn't want that. We don't want to fucking the wall all for. They're saying for border protection.

And if you look at like where the border crossings are, it's not on the middle of the fucking park. So what do you think that walls really for? I don't know. Fucking up national, national park. One of the most pristine places in Texas.

I don't know what the goal is.

“But if you read into it, though, is there any arguments?”

Pro and con that the walls, I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's for border protection. I mean, maybe Jamie can look it up. But see if there's, is there like, there was a public input on it again. Right.

That's a problem.

And then the problem is, again, they can come up with reasons why, you know, they have to

make some new laws because, well, we got to protect people. Yeah. And that's how the streets look. It was a COVID, like, you know, safe and effective, protect your communities. It's like, yeah, do this for safety.

Well, it's the same thing. Trump administration will bypass environmental laws for border project in Big Ben National Park. So what does, does it say with the argument for it is? According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply to more than 100 miles of US Mexico border.

So it's a border wall. Yeah. From near, close Canyon Trail in Big Ben Ranch State Park through the entirety of Big Ben National Park into remote parts of South Eastern, Brewster County. And then notice Homeland Security, Mark Lane Mullin, road the administration is bypassing

a wide range of laws to ensure the expeditious, expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border. Well, US Customs and Border Protection continues to insist it will not build a 30 foot tall steel border wall in either the state or National Park. The agency's current plans call for a mix of vehicle barriers, surveillance technology,

and patrol road upgrades in the parks as a part of a project dubbed Big Ben 4. So this is like not not listening to the experts again. Six former superintendents of Big Ben National Park, Pinda Letter to Mullin, urgent, I'm not takes such a step. So again, not listening to the experts.

Just like the ballot box biology, just doing whatever the fuck they want. Doesn't matter what the public or the expert things, they're going to think they're going to do it. Award these bids to the probably some construction of it. This guy's invested in for $1.7 billion with no bid.

It's like, how is this, how is this okay? Yeah, it's very, I don't understand it. Is there a lot of crossings in there? No, there's not. That's the thing.

They have where all the crossings happen. There's like this tiniest percentage in that park.

“Because it seems like it's probably a very remote area of Mexico that it connects to as well, right?”

So it'd be very difficult to get through that way. And also, if you're going to get through that way, like good lord.

Right, you're going into, like, tough country.

Yeah, and, you know, that's, that's good health country down there. I know people who hunt. Uh-huh. What's Texas? Good bulls.

Yeah.

“Yeah, so it's like, I just, I don't know.”

It's, uh, so if you look at the millions of Americans who treasure big bend, you know, they don't want construction down there.

And especially if, if we voted on it fine, if there was a reason fine, but it was never voted on.

Yeah, it says, uh, the horrific plans are in the front to the millions of Americans who treasure big bend, Lake in Jordan, uh, an advocate with the center for biological diversity, Senate statement, politicians who've never set foot here are signing a death warrant for this wild and beautiful place. Yep. Yeah.

And that's, you know, I've heard somebody, you know, pretty close with Trump, tell me that he's never walked on dirt before. Trump never walked on dirt. He plays golf. It has to have walked on dirt. Grass, baby.

That's my favorite. Grass is in dirt. So not on his courses. But that's what the point is. It's like somebody who doesn't appreciate public land.

Uh-huh. They don't give a fuck about this. No, they don't give a fuck and they don't, they're not going to see it and they never would see it. But there's a border walk on it there too, though. Yeah, as well.

Same spot. Yeah.

Look, um, they have to protect the border.

But if there's not a lot of crossings there and all of a sudden you want to spend all this money to build a steel border like who's getting the contract. Yeah. And just to award that with no bid, it's just not, that's not, I was a public buyer. That's not how it works. You're spending public money.

You can't just spend public money without a bid. Right. I mean, but they bypass all this shit that has the checks and balance in place to ensure that we're making good decisions with public money, they bypass it all. And then you know who suffers here. It's a people who don't have, like some, some people, they go to the park for mental health.

They want to go camp. Right. They want, it's like they might not have two nickels to their name, but they're appreciating nature.

“That's why public land is so important because that gives purpose to people like me who's less like, I got to get out of this.”

Shit hole city and go recharge, right? Yeah. So for people who don't appreciate that or care about that, that's, that's wasted land. It's like we could have a shopping mall. We could have investors doing this.

We could have, make this work. Because right now they, they would say that, well, not everybody can, can take advantage of this because you have to hike, you have to do these things. So we want to make it more accessible. So more people can enjoy it.

No. Yeah. That's, that's not how it works. You're going to fuck it up. Yeah.

You can't just have helicopter landing plaids all over the fucking woods. There's, there's your, yeah, there's your contract. Spike and border wall spending goes mostly to two firms with GOP White House ties.

Construction contracts, including 2.6 billion dollars awarded this week,

are being awarded to add a historic scale through a streamlined process that could put Trump on track to realize his vision for a border wall. Yeah. See that streamlined process? That was bypassing 31 laws.

And so what's there now?

“Like, what is the border now between Mexico and the United States in that area?”

Is it just land? Like, you just walk right across? It's probably the river. Like, what is it? What is the border?

Can we find that out, Jamie? What? Does it say? It doesn't say it won't work. Okay.

Let's look at the map. Okay. Let's see what the map looks like. Okay. Let's see.

So that's where it is. So is that the river, the blocks it? Well, the river blocks the whole bottom of the border. Right. There's certain parts of the river.

I mean, it's not that hard to get across that river. Well, I mean, people aren't going to go there across. That's crazy. It's amazing. God, that's so beautiful.

No, they're not going there to cross. Yeah, that's all mountainous. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to see actually. Where is the most border crossings?

Well, for a while, it was like where they had that road. Well, they were just letting them go through it. Most border crossings are actually in Arizona. Really? Yeah.

I'm almost positive. So for Jamie, he's going to find it here. Well, I'm asking you how many happen through Big Bend National Parts. Yeah. Yeah.

Find that out. Fuckin' one. Thirty. Gonna stop 'em. $84 billion dollars.

Yeah. It's just like, God. I don't know. Just stuff like this. So what happens is like, you get distracted with the Israel, the bomb

and the girl's school, the Epstein files. And then they do shit like this. Okay. The only official border crossing inside Big Bend National Park is the Bokeas, Port of Entry.

And it sees on the order of about 10,000 legal crossings by visitors per year.

Plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings compared with other ...

Mexico border. What exists in Big Bend, Big Bend National Park shares about 118 miles of border with Mexico along the Rio Grande. The only legal port of Entry actually inside the park is Bokeas crossing small pedestrian, only crossing to the Bokeas, Del Carmen, Mexico.

National Park Service Information and Travel videos describe Bokeas. As handling roughly 10,000 visitor crossings per year. Yeah, those are mostly all legal. So 734. Border patrol sector, season only a fraction of total southwest border crossings.

One report cited 734 people documented crossing in that sector by more than 27,000 along the entire US Mexico border in a given period. And what year was that, where it was 734? Was that before? Yeah, shut down the border.

“What's really crazy how many people came in the country?”

Oh, I know.

The fact that over four years it's north of 10 million,

and I've talked to people to think it's 20. Doesn't say. Wow. And it just shows those out of the 27,000, but it doesn't say they're illegal.

So it's not a hotspot of the crossings. The last slide there said it's a smallest fraction if it is illegal. Of that 734, those were like total crossings in that area. A smallest fraction was illegal. So it's not as BS.

Right. It's BS. And they're just going to do it because they've got a nice contract. And they want a wall, beautiful wall. Yeah, but why in the National Park?

No. The Washington Post reported last week. The skyrocketing border wall contracts. Now totally more than 19.4 billion in the last six months.

Have mostly gone to Bernard and Fisher.

That's prompted a lawsuit against Trump administration from a

“would-be rival border wall builder who claims that the government”

doled out billions in contracts without genuine competitive opportunities. Yeah. That's illegal. I mean, but that's what they're doing. Yeah.

No. No. No. And so, but as I was saying, they distract us with all this other stuff and push through shit like this.

Who knows what a Senate or what the Senate or house is voting on on a fucking Tuesday? Well, it was this public land thing. You know, just added in in the middle of the night. We have no no say on it.

We're distracted with all this fights at the UFC, which is real doing whatever the fuck they're doing.

And it's just like, oh, we just lost all this public land too.

And it's like, it's impossible to keep up on. That's what's frustrating. You know, stop frustrating. This bear me was pretty far from the group. Yeah.

That's a man. That's legit. But what? Okay. So that's-

So what can be done? This bill hasn't passed, right? No. Now it's going to go to the Senate. So it was in the house.

And then here's a problem. So this was originally this roadless rule is bipartisan. Everybody agreed. Let's protect this. Now with Mike Lee adding this language in there.

Now it's turned- Now there's lines in the sand. And nine Republican senators voted with the Democrats on this to allow this. The roadless rule to get to be in there. So now it goes to the full Senate.

Now they're going to need whatever the percentage is.

“I think 60 percent of a full Senate vote.”

For it to pass. So we'll see. So now this come back lobbyists get involved. Yep. Then they start pressuring people.

No, no, no. You do this and I'll do that to help me here and I'll be there. When they get overwhelmed because of switchboards. If people call that 202 number, like I said, then that makes it to everybody. And was that number again?

202-224-3421. Say you want to keep the roadless rule intact. You don't want to sell off public lands. You don't want to, this is all BS. But they do this.

And yeah, the lobbyists get involved. And what happens is like. What happened with the big beautiful bill is this part was in there. And Trump wanted it in there. But it was causing such a friction.

He was just like, I want my big beautiful bill passed. These guys are fucking it up with his public land stuff. Pull that out. Let's get this through. So they did.

They pulled out this. We saved the public land. Who knows what we lost that was also attached. But anyway, we saved public land at that time. They're going to, for affordable housing.

Same thing has to happen here. He's got this language added into the shit that are already working on. That changes, you know, we've had, we've had this in place for decades. And it's worked, right? So we have to say no, we're not down with this.

They have to pull it out again.

Well, I hope we can get it through. We'll push it. You got it up on social media where people can. Yeah, I will. Cameron Haynes.

Yeah. I will for sure. But it's like, you know, it's, this is so important because it's so important to people without a voice.

“So it's like, I feel sometimes like, how did I get in this position?”

I know you do too. Like, where you're at the White House. You're just like, how the fuck could somebody like me earn this opportunity? Right. You've earned it through decades and decades of work, of being curious, of being fair,

of being positive, of caring. And now people want to come on and share their thoughts with you. That gives you a platform.

You've, the most powerful voice, probably in the world at, and sometimes.

And so you get invited to the White House. And I know, like, for me, I know they've used me there before. Like, yeah, I created value in myself. And they invited me there for Veterans Day. And I said, no, I'm not going because I don't fucking agree with this war and I ran.

I don't agree with all this shit. I don't want to go and have a picture in the fucking White House. So people could be like, see, see, you fucking, you're part of this. You know, because we did. We, we thought that Trump was the best option at the last election.

I did. I 100% believed he was better. The things he might still have been the best option. He might be. But it, and that's fine.

We don't know what would have happened. No. The, the Kamal Harris administration. Right. And it's a continuation of the Biden administration.

I don't want people coming in the border unchecked by the millions. I didn't want that. I didn't want, you know, the celebration of transgenderism. I have no problem with transgender or cross-dressers or any, I've no problem or gay or anything like that. I just don't want it promoted just crazily to our youth.

That's it. I don't want youth getting surgery that the parents don't know about because they can't have a say in and now. I don't want to need that. So of course, I'm going to vote for Trump, right? Now I don't like any this shit.

So I have my right is to say, no, I'm not down with this. Right. And I'm not going to the fuck. I'm not going to be in your picture at the fucking White House. So you can use it.

And all the people who listen to me would be like, oh, fuck. He's so happy. You know, I don't know. But you're not a veteran. So what was the premise?

It's only because I have a big platform. So they're going to celebrate veterans day at the White House. And they just said, let's get some famous people. Probably.

“I mean, it's, you know, remember that Epstein files were all the influencers had the binder.”

Well, it was Pam Bondi. Yeah, but, and there was, but there's, there was a few other influencers. But they use, they, they, they can use people like us for their messaging. Uh-huh. And then they invited me back again after now.

I've been pretty critical of this administration just because I care.

And it's like, I don't have to agree with fucking lockstep with the person I voted for. That's our right as citizens to be like, I voted for that. But I don't agree with this. And I'm not happy about this. And I want you to know, that's, that's our right as voters.

They invite you back again. This was back. It was for public land thing. And I'm like, yeah, I'm down for it. But I just know, I had this, this kid on Bingey Bakker.

He's like, has this, this page is nonpartisan. Something for outdoors. But I did this show with him. And I, there was, you know, bringing different people into debate, public land. Or like to share why we care about public land.

Coming from different places. But it's still all important to us. I did the show with him. Well, he, I had him on the public land. I had him on the podcast.

He talked about his, how he's working hard to protect public land. He went back and Trump signed an executive order. Something about public land. And all it was was a pomp and circumstance. Photowop to get executive order.

Nothing has happened to it. Nothing has happened with it. No actions been taken. It was like, all it was was just, they could make a press clipping out of it. Theater.

Theater. And nothing is going to change. Nothing changes. Nothing's protected.

“So that's what I feel like a lot of this times if I get invited there, it's for that.”

It's to, it's to make my base if I have a base. I don't have, I'm not a politician. But to make my people feel a little better about whatever's going on. And I understand that's how it works. You want powerful people on your side, right?

I'm not saying I'm powerful. But I have a, a pretty big following. I just, I just, I went back there because it was a huge honor. Like the few times that I've been back there. It's amazing.

And it's like being in the White House.

Somebody like me should never be there.

But I've created value in my name in some ways that I get that opportunity. But that opportunity comes with a price. So now I have to think about am I true to what I believe in by showing support for this. And now it's to, there's too much for me that I'm not happy with it.

I can't ignore it personally.

So that's, I feel like they use, they use opportunities like that for, you know, for press.

Well, the, the, it seems like there's so many different people that want a piece of the pie. And if there's these giant contracts for border walls and giant contracts for this, it's just such an incentive to do things that people don't want. Or, what about the military drones? Those contracts when this war started.

That's, you can look into who, who made money on that one. Who made money on that one? Should we look it up, Jamie, drone military contract. Let's see who made money. I don't want to say.

But you know, huh? Okay. Well, I don't know. So I'm, I'm going to be surprised. Yeah, so maybe maybe not.

But like when you follow the money, it makes a lot of sense. Of course. When you follow. When you follow a pack.

“You're like, why is this politician always pushing this shit?”

Where do they get their money? Oh, I know this guy back home. He's running for like this local politician. The politician thing is names Adam. He's like, he goes, I don't junior.

What? What Jamie, what did you find? Wait a minute. What did you, are you? I'm just going to be a mistake.

Where do you want to be? Eric and Don Jr. Invest in military drone company. Amid Iran war. Is it Jamie?

Where'd you find that? That seems like propaganda from Iran or something. Is that a cartoon? They're on the cartoon propaganda again. No, but so anyway, you start.

I was talking about this local guy back home. And he said that he goes, I need to call Israel. He goes, it is so hard to get money for like to run as a in whatever. Just a local election, but you go to a business. They say, yeah, here I got $18.

I can contribute right where. So you see these big politicians. You see how much money they're getting, it's like, wait, what's this? A pack thing? Why did they get millions?

Oh, then you start wondering how they're voting on things. You're like, just making a lot more sense. Yeah. It's like, where's the money coming from? Yeah, they're good.

They have to take all that out of politics. Oh, my God. I don't know how you could. At this point, but when you can influence politicians and influence who gets promoted to be voted for who gets put out into the public eye and a great light in a positive light.

And then you realize that there's just all this money from corporations to get this person in or from other foreign countries to get this person in or from lobby to get this person in.

“And you're like, wait, but that's why that's not serving us.”

No, it's like, what have to stop that? When did, okay, here's a big question. When did money officially become a problem in politics? I know that's a very broad question. But put that in perplexity and see what it says.

It said it's the United thing was a big deal. But I think it was 2012. What thing is that? Citizens United. Citizens United.

Yeah. That was 2012. That changed a lot.

But it was always a problem before that.

And there was always been like when did corporations become a real problem? Like when did a pack become a problem? Like when did, when did a pack form? And when did they start donating to American politicians? Yeah, it's, first of all, I don't think any foreign government,

any one connected to foreign government step, any influence whatsoever. I've heard our politicians say their loyalty is Israel. That is crazy. I've heard people say it to 2022. 2022.

They're not directly start donating to US political candidates until 2022. Fucking cheese. So if I, if I don't, I mean, if I remember correctly, Trump didn't take any money from Israel his first election. And now he just gave it a word to somebody.

You can see who he just gave it a word to. We give it a word. What kind of one of them big ones? Well, I'm nice ones that they put them around your neck and you stand there in the middle of office. Yep.

Who contributed to it? Like you just won the Olympics? Who contributed 250 million to his last election? Oh. So do you want an award?

“That's how much you got to pay for an award.”

I don't really want an award. I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. So to me, that, so you said, like, if 2022, I would imagine a pack would be around. I would have thought I didn't know that, actually, but when I look at, like, if you look at Thomas

Massey, he got in the crosshairs of the president for whatever reason, right? He got, they had a candidate that they wanted him to lose to and he did, he did lose. Yeah.

So here's the thing, we'll get to that in a second.

Here's the thing. This decision is widely seen as having created serious problems in U.S. politics by vastly

Increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency.

And so this was what year, Jamie? I wanted to say it was 2012. Well, okay. 2011, 2010. So 2010.

So 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted. Yeah, tilted political influence towards wealthy donors and corporations. That's when we got fucked. Yeah. I guess when I started treating corporations like a person and gave them rights in somewhere.

That was a bummer.

See that second bullet point.

Supercharged packs, which can take a limited contribution from wealthy donors. It's been a limited amount.

“So that's how they control the election, right there.”

And that was the Obama administration. Dark money. Dark money from groups don't fully disclose donors have exploded. Voters often cannot see who's really funding major political campaigns. So we need to just fucking tune the way back machine to 2009.

But even then, like 2009 is after they bailed out the fucking banks. Yeah. Well, 15 years later, citizens united to find the 2024 election. Yeah, there it is. Yeah.

Fucked. It's a slippery slope. Yeah. So I don't, that's like Ruth Ginsburg right there called it the worst ruling of our time on the court. Whoa.

Overwhelming majorities of Americans have consistently expressed as approval of the ruling

with at least 22 states and hundreds of cities voting to support a constitutional amendment to overturn it.

Since United reshape political campaigns and profound ways, giving corporations and billionaire funded superpacks, a central role in U.S. elections and making untraceable dark money a major force in politics. And yet it may only be down in the aftermath of the 2024 election. We could be to understand the full impact of the decision. And it's perfect too, because citizens united so this is like the language they use to do us.

Like, oh, citizens united. This is good, right? Just like the Patriot acts. Yeah. Or like an Oregon that the hunting thing, it's called the peace act.

Oh, yeah. So talk about that because that one's bunker. Yeah. So this is not. So this is the same thing.

It's just, it's follow the money.

“If you want to know why we're so fucked up, follow the money.”

So the IP28, this is a crazy thing. They want to, here's where I was just explained Oregon real quick. Oregon is like a Petri dish for these crazy ideas for these political ideas. Like, if you think of legalizing recreational drug use, you know, we did that in Oregon.

Like, heroin, math, you can have that. It's fine. It's whatever. Think they turn that back. Right.

But they tried it to see how it would work in Oregon. Yeah. It didn't work out so well. Right. Now this is another crazy one.

But they tried it in Oregon because it's very, we got a huge liberal population in Portland and Eugene and some of these, and Salem. But not just liberals. Retar. Yeah.

They're more than just, because I'm, I'm friends with liberals for sure. They're gone. They're, they're at the far end of the political structure on the left. For sure. They're full on communists.

Yeah. Socialists, no meat. Everyone should be a vegan. They want everybody to get bitten by that tick. Yeah.

I mean, so much. We'll just talk about that, too. We'll get to that in a minute. But, um, so the, the, the new thing, the builder trying to pass. IP 20.

Man. Van.

First of all, uh, was it, was it the,

who, was it the governor of Washington, which, which governor,

“was it Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that you have to have a fucking license to paddle board?”

Oh, probably Washington. I would say. Are you a fucking imagine telling someone that they have to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe? Yeah. Well, you have to pay the state money to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe.

They also made it like during COVID, like some guy was out fishing by himself in the lake. I think he got a ticket. All right, guy got arrested when he was a surfing by himself in California. Right. So you're going to get sick out there in the middle of the ocean.

It's just silly, but this IP 28, they bill it as, you know, on there. So they'll, they'll do this thing. I go it to get these votes. They needed 117,000 votes to get this on the ballot. So to, to get 117,000 people to sign your petition, um,

basically all I said was stop animal cruelty. I have to do is go to Portland and visit one homeless shelter. To say, hey, do you want to stop animal cruelty? Right. I love animals, well, I love animals too.

Oh, he's sign this. So they didn't tell you that it's making, you know, you can't fish. You can't hunt. You can't raise animals. Like, like, like, our chickens.

You can't raise back, our chickens. Grantos, just like, even wretched. You sell beef. You can't do it. They're making it like, even the breeding of animals.

Like, we breed cows for breed horses. Um, their stud fees, there's different things. It makes better race, like, like, uh, race horses, but this also better product for, for beef, right?

We control, like, when a cow goes in the heat,

when he gets bread, things like that. That's part of, like, being a rancher.

“Well, they want to make that, like, because the cow didn't agree to it.”

It's, like, rape. It's, like, sexual assault. Like, you can't control when animals breed. So that takes away ranching. There is no ranching, right?

So they want to make it to where they're not going to make eating meat, illegal, but if people can't raise it, you're buying it from some other state at a higher price. You get it. You're eliminating ranchers in Oregon.

In Oregon, yeah. So it's, it's killing a whole industry. Great. And they could say that, like, even if you, if you heard an animal, um, I don't know what, like, you could get charged with assault.

So this is, they want every animal treated like your family petter dog. Oh. And the, but the thing is chicken for food, you go to jail. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I was wondering, like, if you're, you know how you drive in a car, and like, sometimes a bird flies in front of you. Right. You know, you get arrested for that.

Yeah. Is that? But you're responsible for your vehicle. You killed that squirrel. So this guy who introduced this.

This is the third attempt at doing this.

He knows he's not going to get the vote. Because how will work to get on the ballot? They take 6% of the votes cast in the last governor election. So 6% of the last votes casted.

So it's a small number, but it's 117,000. Um, they can get that many by just saying stop animal cruelty. Now it goes to the ballot. Um, but he knows this is his third time. He knows this isn't going to pass.

But it's like, it just tells him what they need to work on. What language they need to change is all part of this long-term process to get hunting and fishing stopped, right?

“Because I think, like, in general, the government.”

They like consumers. They don't like people being too self-sufficient. They like them relying on that. This is another step. Like if we can get rid of ranchers, hunting and fishing.

Don't need the guns. Don't need to be killing stuff. Then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you. Bill Gates owns all this land. You talked about Bill Gates before him making decisions on shit.

He doesn't know anything about he dropped out of college. But did you say he dropped out of college? Yeah. So it's, uh, it's, they want to be able to control who's, who's providing the food, who's making the money, what type of food it is.

Um, you know, it's like, it goes back to the whole WC thing. It's like, you will own nothing and be happy. It's like, that's they want these smart cities working towards that, to where, no, you don't need to be a badass hunter anymore. We, we got it.

Right. You think they use these nutty progressive people. It's just useful. It's just useful. Yeah.

That's all it is. And then you get a bunch of people that are pushing money packs. They're pushing money towards these people to fund them, to push these wacky ideas. Right. Why would they do that?

Well, that's why they do that. They do that because they want you dependent on them. Right. And this is part of this process where it doesn't happen overnight. And this thing won't, won't make it into law for sure.

But they'll see where they're at. This will be like, okay, here's where we're at.

Here's what we need to change on our messaging.

Here's where the biggest pushback was. And they adjust where. Can we do that on the other side? It's like I know there's there's farming or ranches or organizations. But like it's, it's a money.

It's like who's giving these people the money. It's usually coming from out of state. And they have more money and they're more organized than people who are working. Because when you're a rancher, you're fucking working all the time. You don't, you can't go get signatures and shit.

Yeah. You got work to do. Yeah. These fucking, these environmental people that are just crazy like extremists, they get paid for doing this.

“So it's like, that's how, that's their job.”

You know, a rancher has a, he has a job and it's very hard. He doesn't have time to go out and talk knock on doors. That's the really fucked up part of this a lot of these people that are these protestors, these organizers, that is their job. And that's hard for people to really understand.

And until you listen to people like Mike Benz, where he breaks down how NGOs work and really fun things. And the fact that like most of these things are a fucking scam. Most non-profits are a fucking scam. And it's hard for people to wrap their head around that because you think of non-profit.

Look, oh, my son works for a non-profit. Oh, he must be a good guy. Yeah. He's like trying to help. And maybe he is a good guy. Maybe he starts out a good guy.

And then you're corrupted by the system that you realize, I go, no, the non-profit is essentially about supporting the non-profit. And most of the money goes to the supporting of this organization. The overhead, the structure, all the infrastructure, all the people working there. They all get paid very well.

Yeah. And then a piece goes to whatever the fuck it is.

The people starting the non-profit will be like, okay, first,

I'm going to need this much money.

Exactly. Oh, you want to be my VP? I can count on you. You're going to make this much money. So that's what happens. And then whatever's left is like, that's their, you know,

“that they can't write off. That's what they contribute.”

Yeah. What do I see this? Oh, this is another one that I saw about non-profit hospitals. Do you know that non-profit hospitals are the most profitable? Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

They can just hide that money. They charge crazy amounts for... A crazy amount. A crazy amount. Non-profit are the most profitable. Yeah.

So this whole idea, it's all just bullshit. It's most of what you think of as like philanthropy is really, like the Bill Gates stuff. Yeah. There's a great book called, fuck, what is the name of the book?

I read this book, Control of Garks. And it's all about how a lot of these guys, they realize that they're having public image problems, like particularly Bill Gates, like during the anti-trust lawsuits with Microsoft, then he pivots to this Bill and Melinda Gates foundation

where it's all about philanthropy.

“But they're philanthropists, all the different philanthropy ventures”

are extremely profitable.

Like he made $500 million allegedly off the COVID vaccine.

Off his investments, and this vaccine didn't even fucking work well. Yeah. I think Trump got paid with that too. But it's like, yeah, it's, you know, the money thing, I don't know, the citizens, the regular citizens,

or the ones that pay the price for this product. Yeah, it's dark. And it's, I hear it is. Put your heads on our real quick. Listen, let's guy talk about...

Congressman recently describes some nonprofit hospitals as hedge funds with hospital beds. First and say that nonprofit hospitals were like hedge funds with hospital beds, and I was like, I bet they are. What's going on here?

Because in the United States, more than half of our hospitals are nonprofits. But hospital world doesn't feel very non-profity. And then I read this article by Scott Hodge and then Washington Post that talked about how they need to be taxed.

And it turns out that the total revenues of nonprofit hospitals in America in 2023 so three years ago was $1.3 trillion. And it turns out that they're getting a bunch of taxpayer money. In fact, three years ago, so this is probably a lot more now.

Non-profit hospitals were making $45 billion worth of profit.

And as I mentioned, we taxpayers give them a bunch of money. In fact, in 2021, we gave them $38 billion. $11.5 billion of it because they don't have to pay any taxes. And that was five years ago, so this is probably more like 60 billion now. And the reason that we hypothetically give them this money

as taxpayers is because they're supposed to do charity. But there is a study that looked at almost 1,500 nonprofit hospitals and found that 86% of them provided little or no charity. And that's because almost everybody that goes to hospitals has insurance as either private health insurance or insurance from the government.

Only 3% of people don't have health insurance and it's not like the hospitals give them a deal. Turns out that the government was checking this out around 2009 the hospitals spun up a lobbying campaign and got any requirements that would basically define what kind of charity they would have to do squashed.

So now it's kind of the honor system. So I was like, where are those billions of dollars going that the non-profit hospitals make in profits? Turns out it goes to executives.

Like DCEOs who are getting paid about $4.5 million a year

meanwhile their nurses make about 70K. $4.5 million a year here. Apparently management consultants getting billions of dollars from non-profit hospitals. And here's a guy Robert at a hospital in New York who paid himself 15.3 million dollars a year.

Non-profit hospitals. And there are really good non-profit hospitals that are primarily funded by donations and serve low income families and people in need, like St. Jude or like the Shriner's. But it looks like about 86% of these non-profit hospitals. Get 50 or 60 billion dollars from US taxpayers like you and me.

Because they're supposed to do some form of charity. But they paid off the government so they don't have to really do charity. And some of their CEOs are being $15.3 million a year. While we subsidize them with like $50 billion. Do you think this is right?

I saw this conference. Okay, so this is P. Davis Jones on Instagram. Motherfuckers. Yeah. So it's like, it's again, it's just like the UFO thing.

Yep. There's distractions. There's so much to pay attention to. There's so much fucking fraud. And this is what Elon told me when he started looking into the Doge stuff.

He's like, it's impossible to describe the amount of fraud. Yeah. He's like, it's insane.

“That's what Nick Shirley found in Minnesota when he went to investigate the daycares.”

And also found in California with hospice care centers. There's entire motels where every room was supposed to be an office for some fucking non-profit and they're all just siphoning money.

It's madness.

So that's like, that's what it makes money.

“Regular people like me like, what's the answer?”

It's like, what's the point to all this. Aliens. Meanwhile, I'm paying out my ass and taxes for shit like this. Yeah. And or for war.

It's like, yeah, all of it's gross. Yeah. Every single, yeah. I mean, what we're going to have to have is some sort of like radical transparency. We're all this stuff gets exposed and gets exposed like probably with some AI program.

And no one's going to want to turn that on. Right.

They're never going to want everyone to know exactly how much fraud.

And how much fucking terrible management they've done with our money. Oh, like the Pentagon's never passed an audit once. No. Not one zero. And you look at it.

You know, passing audit. You're going to jail. For sure. Yeah. Yeah.

How much we're in debt? All the shenanigans they do with the public money. It's just like, that's over exaggerated. We're only in debt $39 trillion. That's not a big deal.

Isn't that crazy? You know, the thing is they could just print 39 trillion and it's done. Just pay it off. The reason why they don't is because they have a really good control. God.

Do you want a great job? It's a one thing on this hunting thing. I do have to give credit to Dan Gates and how it's like they've done a good job in Colorado. Like fighting. This is like been.

We've won a few things there.

“Have they tried the same thing with Oregon and Colorado?”

The same kind of thing? Well, no. What Dan is doing. He's got out there initiative 302. And it's going to make hunting and fishing and Colorado constitutional right.

Okay. So hopefully that, you know, how these, just like this, this lobbyist and this IP28, they're seeing what works and what they can get away with and kind of planning for the future. Well, if Dan is successful with this initiative 302 passing, that will be like how we can address this in the future to protect hunting and fishing.

Because if we can go through there, this is like the litmus test for it, then, okay. Maybe we can do this in other states. So this is a big one coming up. They're working on right now. But I mean, we have to, we just have to get more savvy politically to when they're doing

show like this. We have to be more in tune, you know, and educate it on it. Such a bummer though, because like the people that I know, like Mike Benz, that do this all day. I do not envy her. I mean, Mike Benz makes these live streams where he's just exposing and they, they last for

hours. Yeah. Well, you know, they're exposing all these different companies. Be nice, be positive. And we didn't do any of that.

How do you, how do you talk about this? It's hard. In a nice and positive way. It's very, very, very difficult.

“Very, especially because these are real problems.”

I, last on my lit. Well, I don't know what's up on the list. But, um, oh, I do want to talk about the spoken one. I want to shout out Ryan Cowahan from backcountry hunters and anglers. You know, oh, Cow.

Sure. Great guy. Great guy. Bus is asked for this shit. Martin Heinrich, which is, he's a senator there in New Mexico.

He's, I think he's a Democrat. I don't give a shit about Democrat Republican, whoever. He just fights for public lands. And he's a badass.

And then also Ron Wyden there in Oregon, who normally I probably never agree with anything on.

Because, you know, it's just different. But he is, he does get, I want, I want to give those guys credit for trying their best to protect and fight against this public lands sell off. And, Mike Lee and, um, this energy resource committee, which is, you know, that there be holding to a different set of values.

Usually, some money related in these guys are kind of fighting for the guys, like us, who just enjoy being out in the mountains. So did you be in positive? Yeah. I just wanted to tell those guys are doing great.

But, um, I was going to bring this up. This is like the whole scandal I've been involved with recently, which is, it feels like a lot for me, which I don't like. But my point on it is, I feel like, um, Well, let's explain the scandal before you get into that.

So you won the Oregon marathon in your, uh, age category. Yeah. And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC157, Yep, which is a band substance. Yeah.

So you had taken, for people who don't know, as ridiculous as the sounds, camp broke its foot like two years ago. You broke your foot like two years ago.

And you never got it fixed.

So all these miles you've been running, you've been running with a broken, broken foot. And, uh, you went to waste well, they treated your foot with stem cells, and they injected BPC157 into your foot to help help your foot heal. Um, is it healed now? Is the bone infused up? Yeah.

What did it do? Just grew back? Yeah. Finally. It was like, it took a while because I didn't stop running.

And it was a look like now in an extra.

It's like kind of the, the bone is, it was a big break.

I could pretty wide break, which is why the, the surgeon didn't know if it was going to be able to, the bone is going to be able to make it across her because I kept like moving it. Yeah. And, um, and he told me he's like, you know, with this, this is it.

“I just had the same surgery done on my, my thumb where the, the ligament pulls a piece of the bone off and breaks it, right?”

So that your ligaments and tendons very strong. The bone fracture. So what happened here is I fell and I was doing a race.

And, and basically shredded my ligament broke this bone.

So they had to hope that the bone was big enough to go attach it back to our broke from. Because bone on bone healing is much better than ligament to bone. It's like quicker, right? So we need a piece of that bone. Well, in my foot, they said he didn't know how big that piece of broke off was.

So there's a chance that it, it wouldn't reattach through surgery. So which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it. It's called a Jones fracture. It's on the outside of my foot. And, um, hope it, it connected.

But that would be like stretching that ligament beyond where is supposed to, by design. So it probably changed the function of your foot. It would, it would change the dynamic of my foot and how my foot. And I, I run, I have a good stride. I run well.

And I'm, and he said there's no guarantee that this will attach like it should.

“Or that, you know, you need even another surgery if this doesn't work.”

And then another one to get the hardware out. So I'm just like, I really don't want to do two or three surgeries. Let's see if we can try other treatments less invasive. If I can just deal with this pain for long enough, would my foot heal. And it has.

Um, so I was like very interested in not getting the surgery based on, you know, he's a renowned surgeon. He does all the surgeries on the Oregon football team. He's a stud, trust, totally trust him. But I heard what you're saying about like, hey, there's no guarantee this is going to work.

Perfect. And I took that to heart. So I did you have the injury. How long ago was it? It was June 16th of 2024. Okay. Yeah.

Quite a long time ago. Right.

So basically solid two years.

Yeah. So I went in. And I dealt with it for, I mean, it hurt for a long time. I just didn't want to stop living. You know, and I'm like, okay, if it's just pain, I have a very high pain tolerance. I don't care.

I'm going to block that out and just do what I do. So I did. I did everything. I did all my hunts. I did races. And it was terrible.

And, but I made it. I made it through in my foot's heel. But so broke it in June. Went into waste. Well, I think in July.

Went back in November, which is when I got that stem cell back in it. And when they put in the BPC there, that one time in November.

And so that was like, that was a thing.

And all I said, you know, I had a very fast Eugene Marathon time for me. I'm healthier than now that I've ever been. I've retired. I've done more specific training.

“All these people, you know, I've been labeled as like a doper, right?”

Like almost like Lance Armstrong. Well, you've been labeled by one very specific person that is a professional runner. Who's also a vegan and has been very vocal about you in an anti-hunting way. So he's got that. And you're also your time, you're running time.

He's, is he 18 years younger than you? Yes. And you're running time is very similar to his. His last marathon, yeah. And your running time of this year's marathon, which you won your age class, is quicker than last years by quite a bit.

Yeah. What people don't understand is last year, your fucking foot was broken. I didn't run last year because I was hurt. So it was quicker than like the year before. Right.

Was your foot broken then? No. No. Okay. So your time is quicker now than it's ever been before after recovering from your broken foot.

Yeah. And that's amazing. It's, but how much quicker? 10 minutes? It was.

My best time was in my very best time was in 2006. Me and Lance Armstrong, we did the New York marathon. I didn't even see him during this one, but I ran 250 like 21 in New York. I ran 250 quite a few times like Boston when I ran with Lance in 2008. I did run 250 again and that's when we finished together.

And you know, true. And I were talking about this too just the other day because true of my son. He's gone for the Olympic trials qualifier in the marathon, which means he needs to run quicker than in 2016. So we were talking about this and it's just my training and even his training because I'm not a coach and I don't know.

I just run to get in shape for ball hunting. Okay. I don't, I'm not a pro. But, and I had him run and he's very talented, but I didn't know how to coach him either. So he hired a real coach.

And when you start getting into this marathon training and specifics of it and why you do certain

Exercises and why there's certain stimulus from, I mean, I just had the winne...

Marathon on my podcast. And we did a really fast run.

We ran a 506 mile, which I had never done a mile seven of an eight mile run.

And then he said, okay, my, his name's Jack Sedale. He's like an amazing athlete has 1,400 followers, which is kind of a crazy. That this amazing talented people have a small amount of following, but their talent is incredible. So he wanted, I ran with him just the other day and he said, oh, I need to do eight, 100 and beater strides, which is simply essentially sprinting.

After we ran super hard eight miles, climb 3,000 or 2,000 foot mountain and did this fast pace, but he still had to get the stimulus needed for what he's asking his body to do, which is qualified for the Olympics, right? So the stimulus is what I've never done before. I've never got on the track and did it all I ever did was just go run.

I just run. So what I do is like, how do I move this needle in the right direction and positive way? I got to put in work. How I'd put in work was I'd go run mile after a mile after mile. Some days 20 miles a day because I felt like that was a noble sacrifice for me and for

achieving what goals I wanted, which was bow hunting related, not, not racing related. Well, with true at taking on this Olympic trials qualifier journey, he's been doing the stimulus

“higher to coach and like, hey, dad, you need to do this type of stuff.”

You know, you get on the track. You wouldn't think you need to get on track to run 26 miles quick, but you do, because you need the stimulus for your body.

I had never done any of that.

I had never got enough sleep. I would sleep. You know, if I was going to do a marathon a day and still be at work 10 hours a day, I'd have to get up at start at 245 a.m. And I did, and sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until midnight.

I didn't care about sleep. You'd have Dr. Matthew Walker on here. I'd say, fuck that door. I'm not listening to sleep. It's like, I don't need sleep.

I can still perform. Look at it. I just ran 26 miles yesterday on two hours of sleep. But I wasn't performing at my best because I had to overcome my body fatigue. So for decades, I would work.

Didn't miss a day of work in 26 years, never called on sick once. I always get my miles in.

I always get my work done.

I was leading the crews. People were relied on me to be a good leader. I had to be there. I had still put in this work. I would not get any sleep.

My body was so depleted. I still did everything I needed to do at the highest level I could. Turns out the highest level I could given those circumstances was a 250 marathon. All right. So I'll require three or I mean, I retired three years ago. Now I'm getting sleep.

Now I'm doing sauna, cold plants. I get, you know, I spend, let's see. Spend 2,000 bucks a month on massage and body work. And now, with more specific training like last year I ran with true it, he ran 238 in Boston, 234 in Eugene.

We want to run right before that. He said, Dad, I can't keep up with you. You should be going for the sub 230. He was trying to break 230.

“He goes, you should be going for the sub 230.”

You're faster than me. So this is last year, but then I got hurt. So last year I was going to break this same record. This year I've been healthy. I knew I was going to get my fastest time ever.

I put up a post and I said, PR ER. I'm either getting a personal record. I'm going to the emergency room. I'm sending it.

So I'd said, PR ER and I got a PR. I got 239/11. One of the fastest ever for a 58 year old. And it's like that caused people to pay attention, which I get.

It's a very fast marathon for somebody almost 60 years old. But you have to look at the, that the full picture and say, like, this wasn't some just guy who just started running. Been running. I had been running since I've five years old.

I'm 58. I was running, pushing myself up five running further than any other couldn't kid in school winning in awards. That was 53 years ago. Okay.

I've been doing this while. I haven't been training specifically because I didn't care. And so this guy said, Oh, have you know, he's like mad that I was so fast. He's talked shit about true.

I don't, I'm trying to be nice and positive. So I'm not going to say his name. I'm not going to, I understand people who want to protect clean sport. I applaud you saw to, I applaud water.

I applaud clean sports. I love it. It's, it's required for the Olympic athletes to get their just to. For me, he, he said, you know, he's talked shit about true,

“which he's already on my radar because I remember true.”

It said, hey, there's this elite guy who's saying that I'm dishonoring the marathon because I have no chance of getting this standard. And, you know, I said, who? Why is that dishonoring the marathon? Because he was saying like true is so far away from his time.

That it was unrealistic to even put that as a goal.

My, my point was he's a runner just like you.

He has a big dream just like you had. Why should on his dream? Somebody says that that's this dream. They want to do it. You're right.

“I would be dishonorable to have a lofty ambition.”

That doesn't even make sense. It, that was just words. The words are associated because he's my son. So that's all the amount or two. But he was on my radar for that.

Because true told me and I said, who? And I hadn't didn't even really know who it was. Looked him up. I'm just like, yeah, fuck whatever. So anyway, I knew the name.

Well, he comes on my page after this and he says, something like he dug up this old post from like 2011, which is still up there and it talked about the shit I was taking from is like complete nutrition, which is like G and C. And it was, you know, if you go to G and C,

it's like, you know, mass gainor 2000. So like everything seems like it's a steroid. It's over the counter. It's not fucking steroids. You can't buy steroids with counter.

Everything that on that thing that I was doing, I was sponsored by a complete nutrition all over the counter supplements. It's like, there's no fucking EPO on here. It's like what these people try to make it sound like.

It was just shit that I was lifting weights. It was from 15 years ago. 2011. It's a blog post. He still has it.

Yeah. It's like, like I said, spreading around like a trophy. It's like fucking's over the counter, whatever. So he said, I said,

are you still talking about that? This is like late at night. I was kind of irritated. Didn't, don't, got irritated me anyway.

“So he said, could you pass a, you saw it a drug test?”

And I said, I have no idea. Has nothing to do with me. I don't give a fuck. Probably not, though, because I, I didn't actually, I didn't even know.

But I know it's very restrictive. And I've had a lot of Olympians and things on my show. We don't talk about the drug test stuff. We're just like, we just go running. Well, what, what stuff would you take?

How do you take in that wouldn't allow you to pass a drug test? Um, that stuff you're taking now. Like, what supplements can you not take? Because a lot of stuff that people just take normally that you can't take. Well, peptides are one of them, right?

I, certain peptides. Certain peptides. I think you can take certain ones.

But I don't even know because I just, I had never looked at the list.

I tried to with this when this came up. Well, this is the other thing is a lot of people fail just by taking supplements. Because there's third party, there's contamination supplements. Yeah. That's, that's, what happened to sugar shawl in a mountain of Austrian.

It's, it's happened to, you know, a lot of athletes. With this most of stuff that you would buy, like a GNC, probably an Olympian couldn't take. Or they'd have to check it out. Right?

Because it's like how clean is a lab. Yeah. You know, susceptible is to contamination. So a lot of them, like they're thinking about the shit every day. Like it's their whole life.

If they get, if they pop hot, they're careers over. Yeah. So it's, it's a huge deal. I do. Jordan Burrows in here and he wouldn't even try kill cliffs CBD drink.

Yeah. Right. He's like, I don't think I can take this. Well, I had Cheeto in, on my show and I said, Hey, you want to try a ketone. He's like, I don't, I don't know.

So he called Jeff Novinsky and he said, Could I take this ketone IQ and Jeff said, Well, depends on what batch is approved. So the batch of the ketone IQ that was made has to be approved. The other batch might not be approved.

So you could fail from that other batch. I didn't know any of that shit. But he called him right before we did it. So he didn't take it. It's just like, so there's things like that.

Where it's just, it's non-stop. I don't know if I can take this. There's that.

I've never been in that position because I'm,

I just run to Bohan. I've never looked at these lists. I've never done anything. But a lot of stuff that, you know, suit a Fed is on there. ADHD medicine is on there.

“You can't take or you have to get what they call a therapeutic use exemption.”

So say if you were a regular guy and you had low testosterone and you wanted to do TRT, you could get that approved through a therapeutic use exemption. That's very interesting. Through doctor.

You can run in the marathon with a therapeutic use exemption of testosterone, which is a legitimate performance in cancer. Yeah, theoretically. I don't know if they'd have to look at your numbers and where you're at and like if this was real.

Well, you're supposed to take a very specific amount. Like this was the issue with the UFC when the UFC had TUEs. Yeah. And they had TRTV tour those days when guys were taking like large amounts of that shit.

And that's actually what stopped the program. Is that people started testing like off the fucking charts. Yeah, testosterone. They realized, okay, these guys are straight up juicing. Yeah, for sure.

But if you're a six-year-old person and you want to run the marathon and you're on testosterone, it's legal. Yeah, yeah.

It should be.

It's like the TUE thing is still probably abused in some ways

because we know these doctor patient relationships. Right? You can say, hey, I want to do this. Can you make it sound like this? Right.

Of course.

“And that's, that's what's going to be the case.”

I'm not even talking. All I'm saying is like for, and I talk to Olympians about the situation because I want to make sure I understand it, right? It's like if I'm as a regular citizen. So there's 9,000 runners in the gene marathon.

Are we all going to be held to the standard of Olympic athletes? That's right. Are they testing everybody in the UG marathon? They didn't test anybody. Anybody.

So there's prize money that that's paid out. There's Olympic trials qualifying standards, which are met. So now you're in the Olympic trials. And I don't want to shit on the UG marathon. Because these smaller marathons, they don't have the money to be testing 9,000 people.

Or probably these tests are expensive. So there's something to like if it's a USATF, so the United States of America track and field association. If it's one of those events. And it's for like a world championship or it's for like a team position, I get it.

And it does need to be for the UG marathon with 9,000 people. It's not realistic to say we're going to drug test everybody. Or if you're taking whatever you need a therapeutic use exemption. Because do you think you saw that could review, say if people are taking three or four different medications times 9,000?

“They don't have the resource to go through all those TUEs, right?”

It's not realistic. So there should be, in my opinion, two categories. You got your regular runners, which I'm in. And you got your elites, which are susceptible to this drug testing and these requirements. And that's totally fair, and I get that.

And it's kind of why I've waited into this and said, I'll be the poster boy for this. I'll admit that I took BPC 157 to try to avoid surgery. I'm a foot. And whatever the fall right, whatever the fall it is is what it is. Because this needs to be discussed.

Because I talk to all these regular people who are doing all this stuff, just to be healthy, to enjoy something that they love, which is running or competing in races, and everybody, like on the other side, on, you know, say the clean sport side, which I am on that side too, trust me. I want, I want clean sport.

But they're like saying that, like, my time was so fast. It's almost into this, they talk about this age-graded thing where, like this guy who brought it up said, age-graded like, so what that, I think is what that looks like, in my prime, if I ran a 239 at age 58, what was my potential when I was in my prime, right?

And it was super fast. Like, you know, like, we're like, 210 or 212, which would have won the Olympics back when I was 25. You know what I mean? So I understand why my time, it's just like, I'm almost too fast as a regular citizen

to, kind of, like, this gray area, like, should he be tested or whatever? But all I'm saying, like, if the rule is to test, or if I know the rules, I'm down. Dude, I'm, I'm all for it.

“That's why I've been so transparent about what I've taken, what I've done, and what I've”

turned to avoid with the surgery. But it's also an important point about the sign-up thing for the Eugene Marathon. If there's, if you're supposed to not take certain supplements, it's supposed to be stated in the Marathon sign-up, right? Yeah, yeah.

And it's not.

Yeah, and I don't, I have never, I hardly look at that, but there's, now after all this, I looked

at the waivers, because, you know, you saw this been, they sent me two really nice emails, just lovely emails that I haven't responded to. And they're trying to do the best they can, but if these waivers say, "Hey, um, I looked at the waiver for, I did two races this year, Eugene Marathon, I coked on the 250."

And the waivers mention liability and insurance things. Doesn't mention anything about USATF or drug testing, or any of these requirements. There's no mention of it. But it's also what, the thing that doesn't make any sense is, first of all, BPC-157 is not a performance enhancing substance.

Yeah, what? It, it helps heal soft tissue injuries, it's very good for recovery from injuries. That was, that's one issue. The other issue is, it was two fucking years ago. There's no way that's affecting you in this year's Eugene Marathon.

No, it's, it's an out of your system. It's a smoke screen, you know, we've talked about smoke screens here.

What is doing is it's basically, he's accusing you because you took BPC-157,

and he's saying you're lying about doing all these other things. I've been called a liar, a cheater, a doper, a stealings.

It's like, yeah, but it's all fine.

But this is essentially what we were talking about earlier. Yeah. We were talking about earlier about people that are outliers that are like super successful. And they've been fucked that guy, that guy, that guy, that same fucking thing. Yeah.

This guy can appreciate that, here's a guy who was running a fucking Marathon a day while working in an eight-hour job. I was your friend then. Yeah. This is real.

I know you did this.

I was always telling you to quit your job.

Yeah. That was the first guy telling you quit that fucking job. You're telling yourself, I was worried about you because I know that your mind is so strong that you are willing to push your body to the point where it could actually fail. And willpower is really important.

Having a strong will will get you through so much in life that other people will not be able to pass. They will not be able to break through. But will could also get killed. And it could also ruin your life. If you could hurt yourself to the point, you know, you hurt your back or something to the point where you never recover.

It never comes back.

“Like you have to, there's like a fine line between mental toughness and just being able to see the big picture and go,”

it's actually smart to not be tough here. And it's not to deny my toughness. I got to know that I am tough and have confidence in my toughness enough to give my body a break and rest myself. And that's why I was always worried about you because you were doing things with no fucking sleep. And I saw it.

I know you did it. I watched.

That guy's not doing this.

And you have to understand that the kind of willpower that a guy like you has or a guy like Goggins has where they can do things to people go, no one could do that. The fuck they can't. Like how many UFC fighters have you seen going train with Goggins? And they're like, is there a lot of sun here?

Yeah. World champion. World class guy rolling up at a fucking garbage can't keep up with them. Tony Ferguson, like who is known in the MMA world for fucking superhuman endurance. Tony Ferguson would just walk people down in his prime.

He was El Kaku. He was the fucking boogie man. He never got tired. Yeah. And even if you heard him, it didn't matter who's going to recover and come back after you.

He was coming for your fucking soul. That guy was breaking down. Everybody breaks down. It's he's doing it in silence. No one even knows.

He's doing it with no music. He's doing it by himself. No one's pushing him. Yeah. He's a fucking full on psychopath.

They are real. Yeah. There's real people out there that are really living like that. This guy should look at that and take inspiration from it. But he's got these ideological differences with you because he's a vegan.

And because he thinks hunting is cruel and you're an asshole and you're killing animals.

“You mean, well, you need to eat one of them and barr sticks and bug them alone.”

Give me another one. I want another one. It's fucking awesome. They're great. But it's just, it's just what we're talking about.

It's, if you and that guy actually had a conversation, thank you. If you and that guy actually had a conversation and you were civil and there was no cameras. And it was just two human beings having a conversation. I, I guarantee you probably have way more in common than you do not. You know, outside of the ideological differences about hunting and veganism and maybe a lack of understanding about what even veganism entails.

But it's because most of it entails large-scale monochrop agriculture. If you're, if you're just buying plants, you are responsible for the death of a fucking countless number of creatures. Yeah. Fact. End of, especially if you start talking about bees.

Yeah. Avocados and almonds.

Oh, oh, I'm eating almonds. I'm healthy. You fucking killed a hundred billion bees.

All right. Stop. Yeah. Outside of that, what are you both doing? You're both pushing yourself to the limits of your ability. And maybe if that guy had a bare sticker to have some real protein, he'd have a better time.

Well, I, I mean, two, right? Yeah. I'm, I need some real fucking protein. I am friends with a lot of people just like him and belief and like on the political spectrum or even the diet spectrum.

“And I, it hasn't affected our friendship at all because what I focus on is what do we have in common?”

We love the mounds. We love to run. We love to push ourselves. I don't need to align with everybody a hundred percent. So I'm, I'm friends with tons of liberal people and love them.

It's like, has nothing to do with anything. It's, uh, but for, for him, you know, I was on the radar for a few different reasons. This gave him, like, the reason why, like BPC 1557 is banned for Olympians, not for a regular person. Ray, we, regular people can take it. Right.

So I'm just like, he's like, do you know what the rules are? And I'm like, I don't give a fuck about the rules. So then he'd turn that into like, he doesn't care about the rules. He's going to do everything anything he wants. I'm like, no, I don't care about rules that don't apply to me.

I'm just like, whatever. So the rules that apply to me are, is this rule? And it's like, if you want to talk about rules, I follow the rules.

Like, I talked about purchasing, you know, when I was the, the, the buyer at ...

I had to go by laws and rules every day. And so I, I respect that. If it has to do with me, if it like affects me, I'm like, okay, I understand it. Well, this one, you start bringing up these, USA TF sanctions and what I need to know when I sign a waiver for race and I look at the waiver,

and the waiver doesn't mention anything about this. This says if the US TF sanctioned event is, you know, if we're talking drug testing, it says related publish materials must contain the following language. So when I see that it says that must contain the following language. In my contract days, I'm like, well, that didn't say should or didn't say may,

because should and may means it doesn't have to. Right. When it says must, it must. So it says must say this, athlete who participate in this, in this competition may be subjected to formal drug testing

in accordance with the U of blah, blah, blah, blah. So basically it has to have this language and it has to spell out exactly what it is. Their rules, their own rules say it must be included.

I've never seen this language.

It was never included in anything that I've agreed to with these, in regard to these races. So there's no responsibility to go to the website and find out what the standards are. If they had the waiver, even if they had a link, like, okay, right.

“And so if they said, if you are going to race, you must be held to the standards of this race.”

Right. You can go visit them on this website. That's fine. I would be like, oh, that was my bad. I didn't do that.

Right. They never mentioned it. So if somebody said, like, I didn't know BPC was banned for Olympians at all before this. I just thought that it was another, maybe you could get a TUE for, I didn't know what TUE was. But because I just, it's not my world.

My world is bow hunting. I just try to get and it's good to shape as I can. You're not trying to do it for money. You're doing it. I've never won money.

I've never been on a national team.

If I wanted to be, if that was what I was going to do, I would know everything about the rules, everything about what I could take or what I couldn't take. I mean, you can't take THC. You know, I mean, they say you can take it, but not on the day of competition. So you know how long THC is in your system.

Yeah. So you took it the day before, but you didn't. But you're still going to test your system. I'm just going to run high. Yeah.

“But as long as that lasts in your system, how are they going to prove if you took it that morning?”

Well, they would have to be able to test your levels right after you race. And they could determine whether or not you actually intoxicated during the race. That's how Nick Diaz got popped up. Oh, really? Takenori Gomey.

They said this is fucking levels, we're off the charts. And that was not probably. I don't believe it was. I believe that was, I think that was pride.

And I think it was the first time that pride had an event in the United States.

And they had it in Vegas. I believe. See, that's right. It was a long time ago. I want to say this is, I want to say like 2005.

It was a big win when Nick beat Takenori Gomey. Takenori Gomey was one of the big stars over and pride. And Nick, he got him with a go-go plotter, which is a crazy submission off your back. We used the shin against the guy's neck and you grabbing your foot from behind his head and got nasty. But they said he was off the charts.

Same size as a kite when he was fighting. Which I fucking love. But you're not allowed to do that.

“And I think for good reasons, I don't think you should be allowed.”

But look, the reality of these drug tests are is that if you're saying to a person that you can't take it the day of the competition, and they're a regular user, they're going to have a lot of THC in their system. They just are. And also you could take a very high dose of edibles the day before a race. And you would still be in talks in the day of the race. So what year was this?

Apparently the commission felt the level which Diaz tested at 175 was a considering factor in his performance during the fight. Dr. Tony Alamau, the commission's chair said that so it was a result of 15 is considered positive. But the Nevada State Athletic Commission has a threshold of 50, test positive for THC. They feel very comfortable that everybody that test positive in Nevada is truly positive. Mr. Diaz was 175, this creates a unique situation.

I was there at the fight. I believe you were intoxicated and that it made you numb to the pain. Did it help you win? I think it did. I don't, you know, listen, Diaz is going to be numb to the pain anyway. He's one of the toughest fucking dudes that's ever lived. Yeah. I don't know if you could make that argument that it helped you win.

I think it probably relaxed him. He likes it. He probably could go out there high and fight more in his element.

He could fight in his element anyways.

He's a world-class fighter. The idea that that helped him win is like,

Yeah. It's a prove it. It's a prove it. It was beat everybody anyway. It's a stretch. It's like, I just don't think that we need to be opening the Pandora's box to testing 9,000 people or having them. You know, like, Well, it's also be realistic about what you're saying because what you're saying is, if all you did was take that drug, this assignment drug, take that peptide in 2024 for a broken foot.

There's no fucking chance that helped you win a marathon two years later. It does not help other than the fact that it helped to heal your broken foot. That's not performance enhancing. It's just not. But this guy's kind of a hater.

Well, he's not a hater. It was, which I understand. Yeah. I mean, I admitted that I took it and it's like,

“if that, and I actually, that night, I remember, I didn't even know when that was.”

I fucking can't remember when I go went to waste well. I was like, I thought it was like six months ago.

I couldn't even fucking remember.

So then I got a hold of him. I said, no, I need, you know, the details of my treatment. And it, you know, it was in November of 2024. And I'm like, OK. But anyway, that night I said, yeah, I've done stem cell.

I've done TRT before. And Mitch and B.P.C. 1557. And it's like, I didn't know when that was. But I just kind of, because he was like coming at me, I'm just like, no fuck off. It's like, I do all this.

I don't know whether it's proved or not. It doesn't, has nothing to do with me. I'm not in any lead athlete. I'm fucking bow hunter. So I was like, kind of wanted just, let's shit on him at that time.

Well, he got what he needed because admitting to taking B.P.C.

for like Olympian is a huge deal.

“Because it's banned just for them, not for me.”

And then he could go to you saw it and say, oh, this guy took a band. And they're, you know, now they're like, it sucks. It's like they're in a position where I don't know. It's just like so much. The public knows about it so much.

It's like, you know, I got articles about me and talking about all this crazy shit. I'm just like, I was just trying to not have two or three surgeries. This is like, I'm not trying to win a fucking the my age category of marathon. And then they'll turn it into like, well, that's not fair to the other people who are performing, I'm just like, it's not, we don't even know who's what people are taking.

I was like, I'm not even in this field of the ceiling field where this is all I did was admit. I was truthful. Everybody else just lies? Well, maybe, maybe lies, maybe doesn't, but the, the point is a giant percentage of people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial to help heal injuries.

And if you're going to run marathons like the way you run them with very fast times, you're probably training really hard. And if you're training really hard, you're probably going to get injured. Yeah. Yeah, it's just, but it's a hate or thing is what it is.

“Or he's accusing you of lying, which I know you're not a liar.”

But so this is the thing he's attacking your character. But it's also the fact that, you know, that quote that I love all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. Skies and elite athlete, no one knows who he is. Yeah.

Yeah. That's part of the problem. Yeah. And then when someone who's very popular is creeping in on his times. Like, that's like, how, how's that possible?

He's 18 years older than me. Fuck this guy. No one ever wants to think that someone actually works harder than them. No, no. And, or yeah, I mean, and I get that. I mean, I'm a human too.

I understand how that can happen. But like, to call me like a doper, trying to discredit everything I've done. It's just like, it's so not even real. The approach to use is to just be honest, lay it all out and leave it alone. Yeah.

I don't think like going after this guy and talking about shit is in any way beneficial. I don't want, I don't want everyone to succeed. I don't have anything personal against this guy. I didn't like you talking shit about true it. But even that, it's just, it's just hatred.

I just, he just sees true it running with those fucking perfect jeans on it. Look at all handsome. He's also a little too buffed to be a marathon runner, which drives people nuts too. Yeah.

And he also won the World Pullup Challenge. Like, look, when someone breaks the World Record, it pulls up. That isn't a fucking extraordinary human being period. And for you to discredit that person in marathon running. After they've done that, well, you're a fool.

Yeah. But this isn't just a regular person. Right? This is a person who broke the World fucking record for chin-ups or pull-ups. Yeah.

That's a crazy thing to do. Yeah. To do thousands of pull-ups in 24 hours. Rip your fucking hands to shreds. Yeah.

That's an extraordinary person. For him to not recognize that, he's being a bitch. Yeah.

Which is fine.

It's a natural characteristic that a lot of human beings have.

Yeah. And especially ones that are not getting their needs met. In terms of the attention they feel they deserve. And who are ideologically opposed to you because you're a hunter. What the traction he's got is because it's almost like, if you say, you know how some people would say,

"Oh, you're interested in border security, like protecting the border." Mm-hmm. Racist. Right. Racist.

You're Nazi. Right. I'm a cheater or a goper. You don't have to say anything else because you're just like, "Oh, that got." So now I'm kind of tainted by with that language.

When the fact of the matter is, this is years ago. I don't take any, I mean, I take plenty like fish soil, magnesium, all this other bullshit trace gives me. But the level of dopey and I know about, I don't know shit.

I don't know EP, I don't know, we've talked about this before,

but I don't even know really what EP it does other than make like more red blood cells or something, so there's more oxygen. But I'm so like illiterate on performance and like PEDs. I'm just like, I don't, I don't even take testosterone anymore because I run better low, which is weird.

And I didn't know if this happened because they say when you run like long distances, like stream long distances, your testosterone drops, I almost think that's by design because I look at like how these women have been performing in these huge races with low testosterone or higher estrogen, they perform better. And so I'm just like, man, maybe I don't need the TRT, maybe.

And so I haven't, like I had, I got a prescription filled like last September, and I still have four of the things out of ten. And anybody who's a dopper, they don't got dope sitting around. Like if you had, you know, if I don't care if it's math or fucking testosterone,

“if you have it, you take it if you're a dopper, right?”

So I haven't done it because I'm, I operate better with a low heart rate, low testosterone, and I can run. But low body weight, too, that's big factor. Well, yeah, I'm like 148 is what I got down to. What are you writing now?

Like 52. Wow, when I met you, you were in the 80s. Yeah, I was just lifting. I was, I was ran, but I was running like five miles a day. And I wanted to be like, I thought, like, for hunting,

I need to more muscle to perform because I need to carry heavy loads and things like that. Now I realize that I'm better with extreme endurance, and I'm still strong for, like, 148. Still very strong compared to like a normal 148. So I'm still able to do the tasks I need to do.

Carry heavy loads when I kill. You've optimized. Yeah, so. Well, it's the big factors, the weight, because I'm pretty heavy. Yeah.

And I noticed the difference. You know, like, I've lost, I've won. I hunted a few years back. I got down to the 190s. Early one, like, 1992 or 1993, and I felt way lighter.

Yeah. Like, you would think 10 pounds, because right now, way way 202 this morning. You would think 10 pounds is not that big of a deal. It's a big deal.

Yeah, it's a big deal. When I work out, and I put a 25 pound weight best on, Yeah.

It's amazing how much harder it is to do chin ups and push ups and dips.

It's amazing. Yeah. And it's only 25 pounds. Yeah, no. And you think about how many people just normally carry 25 extra pounds.

“You're walking around all day with a weight best on, you know?”

Well, in, I've told truth. This, too, is like, he's heavier. But every guy lining up to run them, the Olympic trials qualifier, or, like, when they run the Olympic trials for the marathon, there won't be anybody over, like, 140.

So I said, which totally makes sense. You're fighting gravity. Yeah, I mean, you got to be light. Yeah. So I said, you can't be 160 and compete.

What does he got now? He's, like, 58. And what is it trying to get down to? He's got to be in the 40s. He's got to be, like, 140.

Oh, my God. He's going to look like Skeletor. The guy, the guy who I just ran with, he ran Eugene and set the course record and all that. He was 135, probably, like, 61.

Whoa. That's just a name of the game. Right. You, like, the East African super light, the guy who just broke the world record of the marathon.

He's, like, 135, or no, not 115. Geez. Tiny little guy. So it's, like, makes sense. That's just, this just performance.

Right. This is what it takes. A huge engine, a light body. Right. And so, like, to pay me this way when I was,

turn it over to surgery, haven't taken BPC since then. It's just, it's kind of just,

“I think all you could do is state your case.”

And I think you just did, and you just did it really well. And I know you, and I can speak for you. You are, as honest as human beings I've ever met my life. You don't lie about anything. And you are, and it's also why you work so hard.

You work so hard so you don't have to lie. I mean, you're, you're an insanely hard worker. I didn't lie about this either.

That's what I just said, yeah, I did.

I didn't remember when, but good.

Looked it up. Here's what it was. Whatever. You know, Scott's got to get over it. Maybe she'd have a conversation with him on a key camera and collective.

Yeah, I mean, I don't, I would talk to anybody. I don't. You know, I talk to people who feel differently than me all the time. People, there's, there's also a problem where people don't know someone, and they don't communicate with them.

And so, you kind of form a narrative and then you fight that narrative. You know, you attack that narrative. You attack a creation of who the person is rather than the actual person. And people like to do that because they like to turn someone into a demon. Yeah.

They like to turn someone to a, you know, not even a person.

“That's how people have to do that with war.”

They love to do that with religion. It's easy to garner support with keywords using keywords that nobody could defend. It would be like, okay, we got that, that'll work right there. And so that's where, you know, the Nazi or the doper, the racist,

that's why those words are always out there.

Yep. It's like, because they're powerful. Exactly. That's exactly. And when you, you know, when you get boxed in a corner, you can use those words and advise you some time.

Yeah. There's that. And then there's also, you know, there's a lot of people that don't have a good personal insight. They don't understand what they're doing. Really.

They think they're justified in what they're doing. Really, it's just a bunch of bitchy bullshit. One thing that I did, I think part of this, I don't want to be demonized about, like, with the peptides because it shouldn't be demonized. But one thing, I think a lot of people, because as you said, a lot of people are taking these peptides.

A lot of people are doing the TRT stuff. I think that there was a big shift when COVID happened, as far as distrust in the health. I mean, basically our health and wellness category. Like, it started maybe with Obamacare. People are having trouble getting in their doctor's quit because it's too frustrating.

So people, we've had a hard time getting medical treatment like to be healthy.

And then COVID happened and then they were shoving down, you know, the vaccine down our throws and turned out like it wasn't as safe and effective as they said.

So I think people like, they see that. The writing was on the wall. They couldn't get in their doctor. The doctor was like, just writing prescriptions. So then the wellness clinics popped up, right?

And it feels like it was after COVID for now, like you got a ways to well. And there's other places like it where you can go in and they care about how you feel. They want you to, they want to help you feel better. Like, live like an optimized life. Like, you're old, but you don't have to feel old.

And so they're like, they can do the blood panel. We're getting a blood panel at your regular doctor was like pulling teeth for a while. It's like, no, we don't need to do that. But you go to a wellness clinic. They'll do it.

And they'll tell you, yeah, you're deficient here. That's that we could add this, we could try this. And then also you start to feel better. And you're like, well, these people care about my health.

“The doctor, what do you care about writing prescriptions?”

And then the doctors are playing a totally different game as we could see from that hospital video that we just watched. Right. So it's no wonder that waste wells and like these, these other treatments may be bypassing surgery. And let's try this peptide. I see that it's kind of evolving and it's changing and the sport of ultra needs to also and running needs to to be on board with that.

Because most of your field aren't elites and aren't Olympians. Right. They're regular people who just are trying to do what they enjoy. And that's me. While they're working a full time job most of them.

Yeah. Well, I think you laid your case out and I got to pee. Yeah. So scrap this bad boy up and bring it home. Congratulations on your bare hunt.

Do you got two giant monsters? We got a giant in gin. Yeah. Shout out to John and Jen. Rivet.

Yeah. I'm going to try to come next year. I love those guys. Love those guys. I love that place.

They have up there too. It's crazy. And for people who don't know, those, these, these bear have no natural predators. Other than Grizzlies. They have to be controlled.

They are devastating the moose and deer and elk population up there. Because they kill all the calves. They, they, they're, ruthless predators. Opportunistic hunters. They eat each other.

Just put it that in perspective in Alaska. They're flying out of helicopters, shooting bear. Yeah. Because they're so many. Not enough for getting killed.

So they wipe out all the ungulates. Yeah. So it's like, it, it's an issue. You just don't know about it. You know, people don't know that Alaska's flying in a helicopter is leaving bear after they kill them.

I know. And everybody thinks of bears as Yogi. Yogi and booboo. And, you know, come for a trip. Take a trip to Alberta.

I'll show you some real shit. Yeah. Yeah. I know.

“I remember when, you know, I've told the story.”

You know, Jen and I ran into a grizzly once or out there. Just briefly. We only saw it briefly. We're like, let's get the fuck out of there. Yeah.

They, they, they don't even hunt over there anymore. Because too many grizzlies. So that's like craze. That's quite a waste from where we hunt now. Yeah.

Because in that craze. A grizzly starts coming in the bait. Yeah. That's got to get out of there. Especially.

I like to sit on the ground.

They need to start hunting them up there too.

I know.

“You know, this is the, when they changed that law in BC.”

They made it a fucking disaster up there.

There's so many grizzly now. Yeah. And it's just the people that live in these high population areas that don't have any encounters with them. And there, it's ballot box biology. Yeah.

Yeah. They're trying to be good people. Do you want to outlaw trophy hunting? Yeah. These cruel assholes.

They just want to shoot this animal for its skin. Yeah. Fuck them. They just want to show it a big man they are. But killing an animal.

Like that guy calls me a trophy hunter. Like he's like, oh, I understand deer and elk hunting. But not bear. Well, you don't know what you just eat. How is that bear?

How is that any difference in deer and elk? My daughter went to school one day. And they were asking what your favorite food was. And she said bear candy. Because Steve and Ella taught me a recipe called bear candy.

How to make this like, it's like a, you make it with brown sugar. And you cook this bear. And it's like a sweet and sour pork kind of deal. But with bear, it was fucking delicious. And I served it for my kids.

And my daughter, I think she was just trying to, like, jostle people up a little bit. Well, Jen makes some badass bear stir fry. Oh, it's fantastic. I mean, I think her bear meat is fantastic.

I was just thinking of myself. Mount noffs has those new freeze dried meals. Maybe I need to get some right dehydrated. Get some bear meat in there. Yeah.

Yeah. Because those things are good. His own food. He does it all in a dehydrated and rehydrates it in camp. He's vacuumed seals on stuff.

Some of those meals do. Yeah. What's the best way to do it? Good. Clean.

“If you want to eat clean in the mountains.”

Oh, yeah. Get a dehydrator for that energy. Because just like in ultras and performing, what you're using for calories matters. 100%. So especially on a long hunt.

If you can, like we had, I had some mountain ops freeze dried in there. Like chicken Alfredo. That's just fucking good. Good calories. 100%.

And also electrolytes. Boy, it changed for me when I started using element. When I started throwing element. My water when I was out there. Giant difference.

Yeah. Get those electrolytes.

That's the first thing I drink in the morning.

He's an element. Yeah. Because I know him. Because I run every day. I know.

I think I've been also like low on sodium for a long time. Just because of how much I run. For sure. Like I run so much like. I get sores here because my shirt gets soaked with sweat.

And wet clothes sitting on my skin. It makes all these sores. From running for hours and a wet shirt. That's crazy. And so guys where they're nipples out they have to put that.

Yeah. That have. I wear like a bra. It's like a little running pack. But it holds my shirt right there on my tits.

But this here bounces. And it's like just being wet. But that's crazy. It's big sores in your skin. It's just from a t-shirt.

It does. Just from being. Just starting running in silk. Just from being warm.

“But I think that I was sweating so much.”

That when I do that element.

First thing in the morning.

It sets me up for the whole day to to build a performant higher level. Yeah. Even just some sea salt in your water. Like you need. You need minerals.

Everybody does need electrolytes. All right. Let's wrap it up. Yep. All right.

Brother. I love you to death. I love you. You're awesome. You're an opportunity to come on here.

And this is all very important stuff to talk about. And one more time that number for everybody. I want to call that number. I know. Call your centers.

2-0-2-2-3-4-3-1-2-1. Say, "Rodless rule needs to keep." Stay intact. Mike Lee can suck a big fat one. I'm here.

Fuck yeah. Everybody.

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It's going to roll you.

They find them, you know, with these holes in them.

>> And you go, how many of them are out here?

21-an-over, void an Ontario,

I can't believe I look at your guests and it's just like non-stop dude.

Just because you're too weak to recognize like, oh, this guy can kick my ass.

You know, it's like, yeah.

He's like, the fuck is going on.

Cheleden.

That's a jalapeno cheddar.

Other Mormon groups openly oppose it.

We need the same thing now.

To not have perfect conditions to fight in, I think it's crazy.

That's one of the greatest resumes of all time.

Yes.

Also do you have any money invested in any of these projects attached to this?

Right, you're going into, like, tough country.

Plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings compared with other ...

They have to pull it out again.

I can't ignore it personally.

Increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency.

We control, like, when a cow goes in the heat,

I'm going to need this much money.

It's madness.

It's like kind of the, the bone is, it was a big break.

Exercises and why there's certain stimulus from, I mean, I just had the winne...

That it was unrealistic to even put that as a goal.

It should be.

It's like, yeah, but it's all fine.

Like, I talked about purchasing, you know, when I was the, the, the buyer at ...

He could fight in his element anyways.

Which is fine.

That's what I just said, yeah, I did.

They need to start hunting them up there too.

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