#2517 - Taylor Sheridan

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[MUSIC] >> What's happening? >> What's up buddy? >> It's a hell of a fucking bell pump call. >> What is that?

>> What is that, what's going on there? >> So this one is, for a horse I have called Maverick Buzz the Tower that one reserve at the Friturity. >> And they give you a bellbuck off you in? >> About Buckle and Money.

>> That's a dope bellbuck call. >> So guys like you that understand horses, if you saw someone with one of those, you would know exactly what that is right away. >> Oh yeah, and that year, depending on the year, I'm going to know the horse. >> [LAUGH]

>> Like you in a fighter, it's a cute fighter. >> I guess, I guess probably similar. >> Yeah, but that guy won the thing in 2012, we fought so and so and that's the same with me.

>> It's always so interesting to me how there's these different sort of categories

of interests that people have that, you know, one person might not know anything about horses, but you're like, "Fuck in balls deep." You know, and "Fuck everything about horse." >> Yeah. >> It's such an interesting, like pool of knowledge, the people that are really in the horses.

And they start explaining, "Oh, this is not as simple as, oh, that's a horse." And that's a horse too, like the genetic lines and there's certain tendencies of certain horses that actually pass on to their offspring. >> Oh yeah, that's great stuff. >> There's a stallion, and I really like him.

I've got a number of horses by this guy, and his name's Spooks got a whiz and they're just incredibly balanced, real feely, very, very quick-footed, big stoppers, but they see dead people, they see ghosts. So like, "What?" >> Once every three months, for no reason, this thing's going to fucking check out.

And I mean, check out, just aside, it's not safe here, we're going back to the barn. You can come with me, or I'm going to buck your ass off, or I'm going to flip over, I don't know, he just loses his mind. >> Whoa.

>> And you never know when it's going to happen.

>> And his children have this as well? >> Yeah. >> Whoa. >> Just a little quirk. >> And that's, but other than that, they're fucking automatic.

>> That's a big quirk. That's like if you have a corvette and it decides to drive home. >> Yeah, a little bit. >> A little bit. >> But most of the time, you could go to the store.

>> We all deal with it, because they're worth it.

“>> I guess, but that seems so crazy, though, horsey, do you really think it sees ghosts?”

>> I don't know what he sees. Some kind of boogie man. There's a lot of them are deaf. >> Really? >> Yeah.

>> Why? >> Well, there's a gene, typically, if you see a horse with a white face, and the white goes above the eyes, typically that horse is deaf. >> Wow. >> And so they can't hear, but they can feel the vibrations, so that could set one

of those horses off. >> Does anything pounding on the ground that might be something chasing it? >> Yeah, I mean, they're prey animals. >> Right. >> Right.

>> Wow. >> The deaf thing's crazy. I wonder if that has any sort of an advantage where they could sort of tune out distractions? You know, I would imagine it for horses that are real.

>> Now, yes, 100 percent, because this crowds of screaming and yelling is not going to

bother them. Now, if they start stomping their feet, I was going to show this one horse of mine, and I'm about to run in the pen, and all these guys are cheering for this Italian writer, and they're all beating on the side of the arena. >> Oh, my horse checked the fuck out.

>> He checked the fuck out. >> He took a whole herd of elephants to the man. >> Wow. I could imagine how weird that is for the horse. Like it's being told to do something, but it's interesting, so like no, we're going to get

the fuck out of here, I can't hear anything. That's nuts. >> Yeah. >> The hearing thing, there's a famous pool player, his name is Shane Van Boening, he's like one of the greatest pool players of all time, if not the greatest, and he's deaf, and he has

hearing aids. He plays he shuts him off, he just goes, and goes into this world, his own, just balls and geometry, and just does a mess, just he's a horrifying person to play, and because the fact that he's got that extra sense shot off, like the hearing, he could shut it off, it's not just that.

He's also obsessively practiced his 10 hours a day, and he's all time wizard, like he's won the U.S. Open, which is the hardest tournament to win in all the pool, he's won it five times, which is just not the only one of the guys in history, Earl Strickland, it's won it five times. >> Everybody plays pool, like everybody, a little, but then the levels to the game, like

you start getting a professional pool player, and they're playing a totally different game.

“>> It's a totally different, just watching it, you realize like, oh my God, what am I doing?”

I'm hitting the ball way too hard, I don't know what I'm doing, my angles are all fucked up, like this guy's playing that with the English, I would just hit it straight. >> You want to spin up the back, spin it, it's over here, and it's just, it's the control of the ball, it's just, like, they're part of the stick, is the part of their body, the stick

going within millimeters, it's nuts to watch, like see these guys, they'll hit a ball,

and it'll try, it's a nine foot table, it'll travel, all the fuck away around the test, like a 12-foot distance, and it'll go in a two-inch spot, and you just go fuck me, it's great, and then if you do that, and you're deaf too, like you don't even hear the cheers, you're just still in the zone, just hyper-focused, just hyper-focused, autism probably helps too, if you have that, you know, a lot of little, oh yeah, just to touch it, I got a little,

“I think anybody's good at anything, anybody's good at anything, and anybody's good at anything,”

either ADHD or Autistic, and they try to give me medicine for the ADHD, did they?

Yeah, I'm like, fuck, no, how old were you when they tried to give it to you?

Oh, well, they did give it to me when I was a kid, really, and then you're who knows, but whatever your little, little bottomized, right, and then, oh, and so I stopped taking it, just because I was, now you're just like, you know, and so my parents were like, fuck, it just let them run around, like the neighbors kid, they gave it to him when I, when I lived in California, it was such a bummer, he was just wild, little kid, and they gave

it to him and also, and he was flat, and I was like, oh, and the lady was like, oh, he's on medication now because he's hyper-active, I'm like, oh my god, not my kid, not my

“place, I'm not saying nothing, I just go to work, you know, I was single back then, and”

I was like 28 or 29, and I just, I was just so confused, how you could do it, and then I kept thinking, like somebody did that to me when I was a kid, for sure, I would have been on drugs. Yeah, if my parents knew about those options, I could shut me the fuck up, if I had the wrong parents, when I'd done it, but if I had the wrong parents, 100% I had all the traits that would have allowed me to get on the riddle in a fucking super power. If

you understand it, it's a superpower. Yeah, if you could find something you love, people, people say how in the world can you write a script, they could write all these things, it's not that hard, like once I know what it is, I can sit, you could sit me in an airport around a thousand people, I won't hear them, and I guess they're for 12 hours straight. Because you love it. I just get, I just hyper focus. But if somebody wants you to pay attention to the history of pop charts or I can't,

I can't go in there. I can't go in there. Yeah, it's not going in there. Yeah, that's the superpower. Yeah, the superpower is you could find something you love and focus on it, but the way our education system is designed is so ass backwards, you take kids that are so energetic and they have so much life, and you just squeeze it out of them, just sit still, stay put, listen to boring shit, and all day they're just fighting this desire to scream and just run out of the building, go

do something fun. Wasn't the, like essentially what we call the modern public education system founded by a really by the Rockefeller, as a as a means to create workers. Yep. Yep. That's it. You can climb at workers and soldiers, conform. Just one of the reasons why this decided to start school so early for kids is the early you can start them, the more you can get them to do whatever you want them to do, and the more you can get them to pledge allegiance and get really

excited about this, that or the other thing, including all the trans stuff that you see in school, all the pride stuff and teachers are working with preschool kids and they're talking about sexuality and gender. You're like there are fucking six, like they don't know what you're talking, like why you even talking to them about that because you can get them early and you can program those thoughts into their mind that this is a good cause and it could be anything, it could be your religion,

it could be your political ideology, it could be being a Christian, being a Muslim, whatever,

“if you get kids young enough, you can talk them into doing almost anything. That's why they have”

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What will really bake a couple of noodles is if you look at, because all these things are funded,

all these nonprofits and NGOs, they're off of the word the money comes from and when you look at where the money comes from and you realize, oh wait a minute, it's been coming for 40, 50 years from these places. Qatar, for example, obviously Russia, China, all these are enemies. Donate money to all of these various groups to divide, to just eat away from the inside. Russia's been doing it since the '70s. Yeah, '60s. '60s. Yeah.

That, uh, Yuri Bezmanov, I'm sure you've seen that video. Yeah. Anybody who hasn't, please watch it. It's Yuri Bezmanov and it's in 1984 and this guy is essentially describing what a mirror is going to look like eventually and he's dead on. Just dead on. Dead on with the communism, the Marxism, the stuff in the universities, just completely poison their mind, push out any ideas of patriotism being a

virtue, all the hate for America that you have, like all the division, all of it engineered. Yeah. It's wild. Just look at who it benefits. Yeah. That's it. It's a real simple. Yeah. Just look and see who it benefits. Well, benefits a lot of people in this country as well unfortunately. There's a lot of people that really love division and they can profit off of it. They can work, work an angle. You know, we're with you. This is a big part of the problem with

the whole idea of non-profits because non-profits in theory are awesome. It's a great thing that people will end up donating their money. Like wealthy people who are doing well, say, you know what,

“I think my money could be best suited helping out other people. It's beautiful. It's one of the”

most amazing notions about people when they can be charitable and they don't have to be. They do it because they want to and they really want to help. Then you find out what's really going on and that the majority of the money is going to overhead and in employees. Well, think about this. If I create a non-profit to go solve, well, L.A. is a perfect example. We can look at the homeless suggestions that they have there and all these NGOs that are getting all of this money.

And the problem is getting worse. It's not getting better. Right. It's getting worse.

But if I form an NGO and that's my cause and I solve the problem, one more way, what do I do with my NGO? No, I got a money. Now there's no reason to give me money. So they don't create them to solve problems. The incentive to exacerbate the problem. Make the problem worse. Make it longer, make it bigger. Look how big the problem is. We need more money. Some kind of was doing a breakdown of the people that work in the homeless industry. Industry, I say, in air quotes, in California.

Because that's really what it is. They spent $24 billion on the homeless problem. And no one can account for it. And they tried to get an accounting of it. They tried to do an audit of it and knew some vetoed it. vetoed it. Like, why would you want to know? Let's stop all that nonsense and

build this fucking train track to know where this never gets built. Well, they have a mile of it.

They have a mile of that train. So only costs $100 billion. Relax. Things take time. They have a fucking mile. And they're what we're trying to choose the path.

“How about right beside the i5? How about that? How about right next to the flat fucking highway?”

Everything they do sucks. Yeah. How about that stupid fucking road over the highway to make sure the mountain lines are safe? Yeah. It's like over $100 million still not done. And they have them, by the way, that's not a new concept. They have those throughout the West. Yeah. And they don't cost shit. They don't cost much money at all. They they fix them quick. They do it quick. That's just yeah. They're done in a couple of months. Yeah. Pour some cement. Yeah. Put some sod down,

plant some fucking grass. And where you go? Where you go? But there. But we're we're applying logic to a state that doesn't use that. It's like it is as goofy as it gets. And then you think it's as goofy as it gets. And then you hear that Portland just the okay. So this is going to be on the ballot in November. It got enough votes to be on the ballot. And this is some law that's under the guise of stop animal cruelty. Well, who doesn't want to stop animal cruelty? I certainly

want to stop animal cruelty. Let's stop animal cruelty. So what does it mean? It means no hunting, no fishing, no ranching, no agriculture, no animals that get harmed in any way, no killing chickens for Kentucky fried chicken, nothing. No animals die. And this is a city where talking for Oregon

“is voting on this in November. No fishing, no fishing. What are you saying? Are you fucking high?”

And no, so no hunting, no ranching, ranching. You can't ranch. You're going to kill cow. What are you crazy? That's illegal in Oregon. And here's that's probably sounds like a good idea to one of

outlaw, ranching. Let's just say, fuck it. Well, there's 91 million cattle in the country. So what

“will we do with them? You just leave them alone and let nature take its course? Yeah, but there's no”

nature to take its course. It does 91 million head of fucking cattle. And I can promise you this, if you outlaw me feeding them and taking care of them, I'm not going to, then they're, they're wandering the highway. Yeah. And then the bulls are out. Yeah. So you're going to keep the bulls contained? No, so the bulls are going to kill people. Yeah. And make more cattle. Yeah. And then make more cattle. So now we have 900 million cattle in three decades. Yeah, and fuck all your fences. Bulls are going to

smash them. A bulls are going to eat your grass. Well, bulls are going to stop your dog. Like, what are you talking about? I can't. But it's not supposed to be logical. It's all just a

thigh man. It's like, and it's not even a well thought out one. But the problem is you don't have to be

well thought out to get on the ballot. You just have to appeal to certain sensibilities. And then all sudden people are like, oh, that would be good. So it's top animal cruelty. And they're probably on SSRIs anyway. It'll, it'll, it'll probably pass. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think to pass. According to this New York Times article, it was a guy, one guy. One guy. I got 135,000 signatures and got it passed to that level. I wonder how many of our homeless people? He moved to Portland from Denver, from Southern California,

where I'm trying to figure out. We have a photo of this dude. I was here at this guy. I was like, of course he's from Southern California. Of course he is. He's a vegan. Oh, that's weird. I

would have never guessed. Teacher. Oh, substitute teacher. Keeps getting thinner. I lost it.

What else? That's all was saying. I'm very well. Well, they shouldn't. It's a crazy idea. There you go, Nicholson. Yeah, substitute teacher vegan and petitions organizer. It's to have a system where we're not killing or hurting animals anymore. I love how he said a system. What are you talking about? What does that mean? What's a system? You can talk about nature. What are you talking about? Like, they're going to kill each other. Stupid. Like,

what the fuck are you talking about? Is it somehow another less cruel than when a mountain lion gets into a pan of sheep and tears them apart? Yeah. He figured the chance of meeting another gay vegan were better in Portland. He's probably not wrong. Yeah, that's probably a good

“bet. Solid bet. Yeah. He was sitting there going Midland, Texas, Portland, Oregon. Where am I?”

Yeah, he got us to Portland. Go to Portland and take some medication. Nick, just fucking have a good time. There he is. There we go. Hey, fella. Oh, he's already gotten too much attention from us. Yeah, there's a lot of silly people in the world. We're talking about with young people. If you get young people indoctrinated early enough to think that these silly ideas make sense, which is one of the reasons why I loved that Kevin Costner moment on your show. When he had

explained to that vegan lady, it's such a good moment. How cute is it? I don't want to be before you care if you're looking at this. Yeah. And what the actual, what life gets killed when you're just talking about farming, just food. Plowing a field. Yeah, just plowing a field. Or go or go build a road. Want to destroy some fucking organisms. Go build a road. Yeah. And if you're riding on those roads, you're in that system. And then there's the bees. Like the amount of bees that

die every year. So we could have avocados that's bananas. Yeah, bring them in from Brazil. By the billions. By the billions. By the bees. And they die. Bees and then on top of the, so it's avocados and almonds. Those are the two big ones, right? Yeah, almonds. You know what's fascinating. And I'm going to, we can look it up. Almonds. The amount. It's something like 19 gallons

“of water is what you have to give to get one almond. Is that real? Yeah, we've got a weekend plot.”

Yeah, it's fucking bananas. Oh, my dog told me almonds are going to be good for you. Well, you know, it's, he said they're okay for you. He said, but, you know, there was a time in the Mediterranean where they were, that they were poised that they've stripped on in them. And it's one of the first domesticated plants. And what people realize, whoever, home of sapiens or nanofiles, whoever's wandering around, they're like the squirrels are eating those poisonous nuts from that tree.

Huh, they're okay from this one, not okay from that one. So they started cutting down and uprooting all the ones where the squirrels wouldn't eat. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And so that's it. So the almond originally. This episode is brought to you by wild pastures. Here's a deal folks. Wild pastures

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water intensive crop each 18 hundred gallons of water per pound. That's so crazy. And then my god here's my news like look I'm a writer right so words matter to me and when we when we misuse them in our society, it just bothers me right. So all these things that we're calling milk like all

“in milk. Right. And I and I'm just determined to call it almond juice because that's what”

it fucking is. It's not even almond juice. It's not like works. It's almond tea almost. It were we're taking almonds pulverizing them and brining them in water essentially leaching out the flavor of the almond and then adding a bunch of shit to it and sugar one. A lad and a lot of sugar.

My friend Duncan was like dude almond milk is good for you. I go you're looking how much sugar

is in there and we were on the phone and he goes holy shit. I go yeah man that's why it tastes good. But my doctor told me I had oxalates in my diet in my my blood test. He said your oxalates are kind of high. He was a you eating almonds and I said yeah I gave almonds all the times like yeah cut back because that's where it's from. Really. Yeah see find out how much how much oxalator and almonds I just listen to him and also it's a lot of like a lot of that gluten-free flour stuff

“if you buy a lot of that stuff it's like almond flour a lot of the times. Right.”

Almonds are a high oxalate food. Eating them can raise oxalate levels that circulate, get filtered by the kidneys and appear in urine which may increase kidney stone risk in susceptible people. Yeah. Almonds contain about 296 milligrams of oxalate per 100 grams roughly four milligrams for nut putting them in the high oxalate category. He said they're not bad if you just have him every now and then he goes but don't don't do it on a regular basis. There's a lot of

stuff that is high oxalates and people don't think about it. They can really fuck you up. Kale for instance. Like I used to drink kale smoothies all the time until another doctor told me you really should cook the kale. Cook it and then filter out whatever the water's in it and I go really. I go why he goes oxalates. He goes you want to cook the oxalates out of them. Really. Yeah, and that's apparently what causes a lot of kidney stones with some folks they drink a lot

of those greens smoothies which I used to do every day. I take a bunch of kale throwing a bunch of apples and some ginger and some garlic and blend it all up and drink at the beginning of the day I thought I was doing a good thing. And he was like sure just blasting your system with oxalates. And I was like, oh, all right. He was like fucking expert. He said I've bacon. Have some bacon. I'm like fucking bacon's better for you. Like the majority of figuring out what to eat was a long one.

It was a long one and thank God I got this podcast because if I hadn't handled the all those conversations with people where I realized like, oh, so we're like, and now the food pyramids completely flipped which is hilarious. Yeah. But it's like I've had enough conversations where I realized like, oh, all these people don't know what the fuck they're talking about and they're given advice. And it's weird. It's weird how much bad advice there is for food and for health and for

fucking fill in the blanks. Almost everything in our society. Food pyramid was created by Johnson and Johnson. Yeah. You didn't? Or Kellogg's or Johnson Johnson. Yeah. So how do we get people to eat our shit in the morning and then again at lunch? And then well, the one thing that we can't control. And they talk about the the one thing that we do not have is this massive industrialized meat production because there's no there's no economic way to do it. They do it if they could

harvest ranch, which you probably seen all five, five in in California's the closest version of that. But what is this is a feed yard? Right. Where you get them together in feed cattle for 90 to 150 days

beef industry because it's in a very inefficient way. It's way better to farm.

“Right. It's more efficient to farm than it is Grace cattle. So you only want to Grace cattle”

somewhere that you can't farm at the end of the day. You want to graze cattle or great at taking protein from poor protein sources and metabolizing it. Right. So Grace I'm in real rocky terrain with native grasses that that you can't farm can't tell it. Just can't and it needs to be eaten by something or weeds all over take it. Right. Because grass grows better when it's being grazed. And so there's no way to industrialize that or centralize it. The most centralized it is is at the

packing house. Right. Where you've got four packing major packing houses that control 90

percent of the beef industry. And that starting to change, COVID was extremely helpful for the smaller farmer and rancher to sit there and get their product out. Right. And find small they start popping

“up people of open these USDA facilities that don't process 800 head of cattle an hour they may be”

do 50 or 50 a day. And now people can go there because they're a USDA facility. They can buy beef directly from them by from the rancher. Right. And you can control where your food's coming from. As opposed to what was happening, where you'd get a bunch of if you're going to go get a burger

you're eating some Australian killer bull right for the most part or something from Brazil.

You're not eating something that you want to eat. Right. When you go to a nice steak house, the steaks there are they're going to come from most likely Texas, Iow and Nebraska, Montana. There's there's select areas where people are spending that kind of attention and time to raise that kind of quality of beef, right. And it's being done by smaller ranchers and maybe a big ranch, but it's still operated by relatively few people, you know, four, six is 300,000 acres,

but there's 12 cowboys. Wow, 12 cowboys for 300,000 acres is nuts. How do they keep track of everything? I mean, we break it down into pastures and then you have, and then the pastures fall under the terminology is this. Let's say, oh, if you're in Guthrie, there's a camp and we call it South Camp because it's in the south and it's responsible for 50,000 acres, right. We just broken down into multiple pastures that are between seven and 10,000 acres. There's one big pasture in that

in that camp that's like 14,000 acres. And so then you have North Camp, you have what we call, then we have camps around the town, little town of Guthrie, so you break it down into the responsibility of each cowboys, or I'm somewhere between 35 and 50,000 acres. Wow, that's a hell of a responsibility. Yeah. That's a lot of work, man. You know what's really interesting about your shows, particularly Yellowstone, it got people like really attracted to the idea of brutal

hard work as being romantic. Yeah. You know, people like really identified with those guys on Yellowstone that were just like so dedicated to that ranch, so dedicated to busing the grass and working all day hard, fucking work. And they just hang it out together afterwards. And there's something about that life that's so simplistic and romantic to people that it just really resonated with so many people that didn't even know that they liked that. Well, it's it's uniquely American and the amount

of freedom that is, so we moved somebody out to South Camp and we go, okay, so here we are, there's your house in South Camp, seeing a week or so, go figure shit out, keep trying to cattle and you give them a string of horses and they work their horses and they ride that property, they know every inch of it and you don't ever, you don't, we don't have weekly corporate meetings. How do they get supplies? Is like the house stocked in advance? Yeah, go to town,

you know, towns, which is an endeavor, right? Towns and nine miles away. So you go to town once a week, right? Just stock up. Just stock up. Go back. Wow. Yeah, but it's, it's a crazy life. And people in correct, not every, this isn't true of every cowboy, there's plenty of

“cowboys that typically they grow up on that ranch and that's the life that they know and that's what they”

want to do, right? But they still go off the college, like almost every one of my cowboys has a ranch management degree, like they went to school. Wow. To study. What's a good school if you want to be

management program, a bunch of the guys on the six is went there. TCU as a ranch management program, a good one, Texas A&M. You know, we have a, we have vets that live on the ranch. Obviously, we breed a ton of horses. And so our vets, it's Colorado States, excellent veterinary school for large animal vets. Obviously, Texas A&M is a phenomenal school Texas Tech as well. Those are, did I the fuck do you pay attention to everything? Were you running a gigantic ranch and you

have about 48 TV shows? How the fuck do you do it? I don't understand it. Every time a new Taylor shared and show pops up, I say to my wife, I go, how the fuck is he doing this? Like, where does he have this time? Part of it is, if you think about it, so my crew, my core crew,

“is the same crew I made Wind River with. Like, when we had no money, I remember one time,”

I'm on the top of a mountain with me and my first AD and my DP, Ben Richardson, and there's

not a produce. We haven't seen anybody in a week. And I looked at, we're freezing our asses off at 7 below zero and Northern Utah. And I'm like, guys, you know, we could just fuck off to Hawaii and nobody would know for a while. We have, we have their money and they don't know. They don't actually know where we are. They're just trusting that we're going to make this movie, which we did. And it was incredibly difficult, but that's the same team that went over and did y'all stone,

which is then the same team that went up and did Mayor of Kingston with me and then 1883, 23, Lyonus, Landman, all of them. And we've promoted from within. I've got PAs that are now first ADs. I've got camera operators that are now directors. So we've promoted from within, so everyone understands the way we do it. And it's so freaking efficient. We don't ever have, and you know, because you've been in this industry forever, these people will have meetings

upon meeting, upon meeting. They'll have a tone meeting where a whole bunch of people are going to sit around and try and talk about the tone of the script. What didn't you read the fucking thing?

“You should, we have to have a meeting about it. How about we don't have a meeting about it?”

And then they'll have a, and this is also networks. They love this shit so that they can have a reason for their existence, right? Right. It's middle management people. And they want to do a prop show in tell. We're someone's going to come show them all the props that we're going to use. Really? Well, we don't do that shit. Because I'm like, I need your permission to use which, which big lighter I'm going to use in this fucking screen. How about I just make the decision?

And how about we use the same big lighter in all these fucking shows, and I don't ever have to pick a big lighter again. How about that? So we just streamlined it and made it to where it's so efficient. Typically a TV show will start up, and they'll prep for 12 weeks before they start filming. We're doing four. Wow. Well, that makes sense. It makes sense. It's streamlined. Because I've been on shows when they first start out, and it's chaos. And there's a lot of network involvement,

and there's a lot of bullshit. But then once it gets going, they go, oh, you guys know what you're doing. Yeah. Believe me alone. Yeah. Yeah. We're there from the beginning now. That's beautiful. We haven't missed if you don't miss. Right. Well, it's like, you don't miss, like you don't miss

with a writing. You don't miss with a storylines. Like, you don't have any duds, man, which is incredible.

It's incredible. It's an incredible accomplishment that I have that many fucking shows and all of them be good. And all of them be, you know, like, very addictive. You know, lambman is so addictive. That's that show. It's about something very serious, and then I can just throw shit at it. Yeah. Let's just take a bunch of old people to a strip club. Billy Bob is fucking awesome. He's a genius. I loved that guy. He's so good on that show. It's like it was made for him. It was made for him.

I mean, he's done so many things. I went to Billy Bob before I, before I wrote a word, and I told him I said, if you don't do this, I'm not going to do it, because I'm not going to chase my tail. He goes, what is it? I said, I want to do, I said, basically, I want to take your character from bad Santa and put him in West Texas and run a little company. He goes, you want the guy from bad

“Santa to run a little company. I said, that's what I want. He goes, that sounds fucking awesome.”

Yeah. Well, it's educational, too. I mean, a lot of people have no idea how the oil business works. And you watch that show, you're like, "Jesus Christ, what a crazy job." It's an insane job. And the other thing about it is, we're so completely dependent upon petroleum in every single aspect of our lives, so completely dependent upon it. And we can debate

how bad it is or isn't. And or not debate it. The reality is, we don't have an alternative.

Like, it does not exist. It simply doesn't exist. And we could sit there and say, well, when, in this known, you sit down with any climatologist and any engineer, they're going to tell you our best hope for a replacement of petroleum fuels is cold fusion and we're 30, 40 years from it.

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“That's what they're talking about. They're talking about individual reactors”

that people have in their homes. Like, how long does it take for these disasters? Look, that sounds fucking weird. Having a really good nuclear power plant for a city is an awesome idea. Having everyone have their own nuclear power plant sounds fucking crazy. You know, how many assholes are going to cut into that thing?

Well, people still put fucking metal in microwaves. So I don't think we should be giving. I've done it. I'm like, "Well, how bad can it really be?"

These people that leave their fucking gas on so that someone can die in the house.

No, we don't put nuts. People are nuts. If you literally have consumer level nuclear power plants, not with these monkeys. That's what, not with the human beings that we are today, are current form. We're not enlightened enough to have personal nuclear power plants in our house. Oh, fuck.

Yeah, so we're dependent upon it. And as we were anywhere around right now. Oh, yeah, and also because it is real. But I mean, we're in Iran. I mean, the whole thing about it is the oil.

“The straight-up form moves. It's like, I think it's 40% of the world's oil supply passes through there.”

Yeah, I'm surprised. No, that's, and, and, and I think also China. It's a big play against, it's a chess piece against China. That's what I think. Yeah, all of it's fucking terrifying.

What, uh, and I'm not saying we should have, or we shouldn't have, I'm not commenting politically. But what those guys, those SF guys did in Venezuela was fucking gangster. It's crazy. Whether I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. I'm just saying. Right.

The team was sent and then the team, I mean, can you imagine? If I wrote in a movie, people will go, that's fucking ridiculous, Taylor. Right. You don't have to check it. Fly a bunch of SF dudes drop them off on the roof of this high-rise surrounded by the fucking Cuban special forces and they're going to kill all of them and then they're going to

fucking snatch him and his wife, go back to the roof and just fucking fly away. That's what they did. And they're going to do it with sound. They're going to disable everyone with a sound weapon. Like, what?

Like, there was, do you remember when they first started talking about that Havana syndrome?

Yeah, we're dismissing him. This is our shit. This bullshit. Yeah. Like, no, they're talking about people that are in Havana, that they've been targeted. Something zapped them.

Low level frequency, made them nauseous. Yeah. And I think that is a fraction of whatever they unleashed in Venezuela. Who knows?

“The discombobulator. That's what it's called, classified secret weapon.”

System President Donald Trump claimed U.S. forces used during the January 3rd Operation Ecapture of Venezuela and President Nicholas Maduro. He stated that the weapon successfully disabled enemy equipment and air defenses. Preventing them from firing back. So it's both, it disables the people and it disables their weapon system.

What? That's amazing. What the fuck are we doing? Official science would ask for specific technical or operational details about how the device functions trump famously told New York Post, I'm not allowed to talk about it.

It says they press buttons. He claimed the defense forces press buttons and nothing work, disabling both Russian and Chinese made rockets and radar. The weapon affected both mechanical equipment and personnel. He also referred to it, you also referred to a sonic weapon being used against

Maduro's Cuban security detail inside a heavily fortified fortress. Fucking aim, man. I would love to see what that looks like. I bet they have video, too. I would love to see them.

Yeah. All were in GoPro's. I'd love to go into a skiff to show you the video, I won't say no. I want to see what it looks like. I just want to watch.

What's a little bit of something that gets zapped by sound and gets fully disabled. Like apparently they just fell to the ground and agony they couldn't move. And they just went in and shot everything. I'm freaking SF snipers just freaking on top of that, just leaning down on them. It's crazy.

Like that guy thought he was safe. Crazy. And there's a famous video of him saying come and get me. Oh yeah, bro. Yeah, be careful. Don't what bear you poke.

Yeah, also it's like, we none of us know what the tip of the spear technology and weapon systems is available right now.

They don't tell us. They don't tell us.

Obviously, no one knew this fucking discombobulator thing existed.

This is science fiction, right? If this is 20 years ago, you'd be like, that's not a real thing. But now you're like, oh shit, they used it. It's not just a concept, they fucking used it. What are they, what are they cooking out in the desert, in the middle of Nevada?

Who knows? Yeah, I think about this for that to be used. There's something for generations past that. Hundred percent. They're playing with now.

Yeah, a hundred percent. You know, this whole UAP world stuff, like when they start talking about UAPs, all of my bullshit alarms go off, all of them. It's like, I don't believe if you knew things you would tell us. So I don't believe you're telling us the truth.

I think they have some special access programs that they've been working on for decades and decades and some super high-level shit that involves some sort of novel propulsion system. And they have that stuff flying around in the sky.

“And I think that's what a lot of people are saying.”

That's what a lot of people are saying. That doesn't discount the idea that there's something else out there, because I think there is. But I think there's a giant chunk of the shit that people are seeing that's hours. Yeah, testing.

Yeah, testing. Do we stuff with it? If there was an intelligent life form that had stumbled upon our barbaric asses, why would they not go hey, guys? Fire up that fucking missile and take.

We found this blue planet. We got to get rid of this thing. Well, I think maybe every intelligent species that's tribal and territorial has to go through an adolescent period of their evolution. And if you look at human history,

you know, I was reading about Vlad the Impaler last night. Jesus, cried. And how many of the Ottoman Turks that got killed and his famous methods of putting people on posts and separating them down the line on the road, so that as these poor guys are traveling to go and fight him,

they just see the enemy stuck on skewers. And in geometric patterns and shitty would do them in like stars and stuff. Just he was a vicious mother fucker, and he's the motivation behind or the inspiration behind Dracula.

And I was reading about that guy, I'm like fuck people have always been awful.

They've always been awful. But they just like, as time goes on, they get a little less awful. Little less. Like we're a little less awful now than we were during Nazi Germany. Not totally great.

Not collectively. Right, certain. We're still willing to do genocide. Some of us are, but it's less, less approved. It's less, more people are horrified at it.

It's like human beings are getting a little bit better. It's not as quick as we'd like.

“I think if I was an alien lifeform, I would say you have to wait this out.”

So if you have a kid, you got to let the kid fall down and stumble. You got to let him get hurt. You got to let things happen. You got to let him fuck up and figure it out himself. You got to figure this out, make it right.

You fuck this up. You got to give him a chance to become better. I think as a civilization, I would think the same thing would apply. You have to give this civilization time to evolve and adapt and get past where it's out right now. And I don't think you do that by intervening and grabbing us by the hand and showing us the way.

I think what you do is you hang back and make sure that we don't nuke each other and just sort of pay attention to all the different international ongoings and just let human beings slowly but surely evolve. That's what I would do if I was an intelligent lifeform observing people.

The interesting thing that we're as a civilization facing now and it's always happened in some

capacity when a society gets wealthy, really wealthy. Then people start to question wealth and how can we be more equitable and it comes across that compassion but it really comes down to a debate of what is more valuable to a society.

“Is self-determination more valuable or is equity more valuable?”

And by equity what I mean is everyone gets exactly the same shit everyone. So you take them off of, we're not an humanitarian society anymore. Now you're working for the collective and you're here in that word for an around a lot. Right. These days.

The problem with working for the collective is who decides who picks up the trash and who decides who gets to go represent your nation and to the Olympics who gets to decide who gets to someone going to let me go make TV shows which by the way I wouldn't do for free. It's too fucking hard. So now I don't want to do it.

Well then you've got to go do this one, I want to do that either and that's the problem. And then they force you to do things. And then they do that. And so they're gone. Yeah.

So then you either have self-determination or in your attempt to be collective, you have to surrender

the fucking thought you had, it always comes back to that.

It always, you can look at Marxism and Leninism and Lenin was talking about his hopes or whether they were his hopes or not, but it devolved into an authoritarian regime very, very quickly. And communism, socialism, fascism, Naziism, they're all very, very similar.

“The differences are superficial, I think, and Rand said that they're just superficial variations”

between the exact same thing, which is the evil of the collective. The evil of the collective and human beings desire to control their people. Yeah. They love to. And at any time you give them a chance where they could feel righteous about controlling

people, they jump at it and they can, they have an opportunity to classify people.

There's good people in bad people in bad people, you can do whatever you want to them.

They're the other. And that happens with every time groups get into power like that and tell you what you can can't do. And you're seeing that being embraced, shockingly, more and more all over the world, people are embracing more government power and more government control and it's really crazy.

It's really crazy to say. It's unique.

“I think that, number one, I think in 30 years when they look back, like we're still suffering”

from a society, from COVID, like still, and not so much from the disease itself, but from our faith in the institutions around us, whether it's government, whether it's the media,

whether it's pharmaceutical companies.

And the way that it was manipulated to gain power for a political group and it was effective and so when something's effective, then people just keep doing the same thing. And so it's no longer effective, right? We did that in our military with the wind's hearts and minds, so that all comes from Japan. Right?

We're going to win the hearts and minds of Japanese. Well, the Japanese surrendered, like they're emperor who they looked at as a god. He told the people of Japan after we dropped to frickin' nuclear bombs on them, "Hey, we are going to endure the unadurable. We are going to surrender."

“It's the only way that we can salvage our nation.”

So they will fully surrender, and then our government goes, "Look, how great this hearts and minds does work, and it's not working, it's not working at all." And then they tried it in Vietnam, didn't work, tried it everywhere else that we've had a conflict, we've tried it, and it hasn't worked yet, because what it was based on was flawed, right?

Because they chose to be subjugated at that time, and making that choice kept them in divinination, so our government, it's so dangerous what we're seeing. You can like Trump or not like Trump, people are going to like presidents and dislike presidents, but now it defying the rule of law, because he happens to be the head of the federal government, and openly defying the federal government.

The repercussions of that are going to be fine, you can't stand this man, you think he's a terrible president, and you're not going to follow his laws, but that's the new normal now. So when a president gets in that you do support, then the other side, because we've established this president, they're just not going to follow his laws either.

And now we've eroded the rule of law, and then what happens? The slippery slope is very dangerous. I mean, I was saying that when the ice rates were going on, because I was like, okay, I am not in favor of illegal criminals being in this country. However, we're setting a very alarming precedent where you have masked militarized police

with no ID that are running around the cities, snatching people up. Like this could set a precedent that could be used by the left, if they get into power, for something different than just for ice, we've already accepted the idea of militarized police on our streets, and that people with seven weeks training, you're just sending them out to snatch up people, and a lot of American citizens are getting caught up in that

trap too, unfortunately, and then they have to get released. Like that could be bad if the next party gets in. So if the Democrats get in next and they decide, like, maybe there's a new COVID strain happen, some new pandemic happens, whatever the fun is. And if you don't get the vaccine, they're going to rest here, and then they start the

same.

streets, but they had people enforcing lockdowns, and so they had people walking on the streets

“with fucking guns, yelling at people to get in your house, over a cold, like this,”

these kind of slippery slopes, you might think, no, we're just trying to get rid of the bad immigrants. I get it, I'm with you, I agree, however, the way they're doing it, I'm not even saying there's another way or a better way. I'm just saying, you want to get them out all at once, yeah, that's the way to do it.

You want to get them out quick, that's the way to do it, because they got them in quick, you're right. They open the fucking border, they help people get in, but now that they're in, if you're going to get them out that way, you're setting a weird precedent, you're setting a precedent that could be used in other ways.

Yeah, that's the, the challenge is, okay, we're going to, we need to enforce the law, or don't have them, right, they've, they've, they've enacted no new laws, these are the same immigration laws that were on the books, when no bomb was president, the same, the same rules, it's the, it's the methodology, and, and, you, you got to, you got to sit there and weigh the pros and cons about, okay, the pros of trying to eradicate this issue, you can't give

it a deadline, right, it's slippery and, and again, it's, what's good for the goose is good for the gander and, and, and these politicians right now who were doing all of us to tremendous disservice in Washington, I feel are elected officials, because they're, they're

not thinking beyond this next election, and maybe they never have, but they were better

at hiding it, maybe, I think there's no internet, but we'll true.

“I think that's what it is, there was no social media.”

But I think we've reached a point as they, as politicians talk about eliminating the electoral college, they talk about eliminating the filibuster, eliminating packing courts, all these things, because they're sides not in power, and so we're just going to take the structure of the government and totally rework it to benefit us temporarily, but then those same benefits that you have now will be used against you, they will 100% be used against you.

I think the most important legislation that we can pass right now is turmoil. I think, I think, 12 years tops in Congress, and I think probably 12 years in the Senate, 26 year terms in the Senate, that's a lot of fucking time. That's enough. We don't need anyone else, I mean, I don't know how it's become, how the fuck is Nancy Pelosi

with $400 million. How the fuck? Well, I know how. Yeah, she gets in on all these fucking IPOs. Exactly.

Right, she's going to pass the legislation that allows Visa to go public, and then she's going to get a big chunk of it, and then when she's confronted about it, look a reporter dead in the eye and fucking line it when I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't do that. No, it's public.

We know you did it. We could look at how much stock you own. Yeah. Fucking liar. They all do it.

Yes. People are calling out Rokana on Twitter today. Fucking rich. Everyone's getting rich. Yeah.

They get paid $175 grand a year, and they're all fucking millionaires. Super millionaires. They're all like, she's intensely wealthy.

That's almost a half a billion dollars, that's not as a public servant, that's nuts.

Yeah. It's insanity.

“Yeah, that's what we're used to, we just, we know it's bad, and we just accept it, and people”

are busy. They have families and mortgages and shit to deal with, and so they complain, and they keep on trucking. Yeah, I mean, I have, as we discussed, I have other jobs. I don't have a pile of time to dedicate to, it's tough for me to talk politics, because

I don't have hours in my day to sift through what's real and not real on Instagram or social whatever on the on that shit, but I can't, it's hard to form an opinion, because man, I don't know. I don't know where to go to get honest news, I'm not the news. I know that.

I can't turn on the fucking news, because they fucking been lying to us, they, they stopped being, I don't know if they were ever impartial, but I know, I know that. I remember there was a guy, I was a kid, he was running for president, his name was Jack Camp. I remember Jack, and I want to say it was Dan Rather, it may not have been, it may

have been some other newscaster. And there's a debate amongst all these different potential candidates for president. And as he's introducing all of these various politicians, he's saying so, and so, Harvard graduate and law professor from here and this former senator and this and that and the other this person here and they get to Jack Camp and he goes, back up quarterback and born

again Christian Jack Camp, I'm like, wow, you just sunk that dude, everyone else you gave what their jobs were and and talked about their accomplishments and this, you just

the first time I ever remember, I'm like, I know your opinion, I'm not supposed to know

your opinion, you're supposed to be, you're supposed to be giving me news, you're supposed to be giving me honest, unbiased information, so I can make a decision and you're making a decision for me or trying to, and they've gotten so, as news became entertainment,

“I mean, CNN's the worst thing that ever happened to news because it's 24 hours and now”

all of a sudden, there's not 24 hours worth of news all the time, right? There is during a war, right? You can show us news, you know, war footage the whole time and talk about the war and why war and why no war, but when there's not, you got to make some shit up or push an opinion, and that's where we've gotten with news now, now it's news is piss them off and

scare the shit out of them, yeah, that's how we keep them watching, and that's the business model. It is now, and it's also piss them off and scare the shit out of them, but ignore certain things that your sponsors wouldn't like you to talk about, this is why you know, Tulsi Gabbard and her final act as director of national intelligence as she's leaving, she had

that she gave that press conference about Fauci and she talked about how he lied in front

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offer for podcast listeners. No. And by the way, didn't we all know that already? Well, we knew it, but my parents didn't, you know, people that just like just read the newspapers and watch TV, they don't know.

I've never seen anything as flagrantly obvious as as COVID coming from the Wuhan lab study

in COVID. Right. Right. I've never, you've got fucking news anchors keeping a straight face saying, it came from the wet market.

Did you ever see John Stewart spit on it? No. No. You never saw it? No.

We need to play it.

“Maybe because COVID tries to stop him from doing it and push back and John, he's a great”

comic, he just gets up from his chair and gets louder and just plows through it. Really? Over, COVID is like trying to cock block his bit, he's like, it's like, it's a funny bit. And he's getting in the way, I'd like to see if you have information on that. I'd like to see it.

And he just keeps going and keeps plowing away. It's very funny. And it's in the middle of it, right? He was a, this was a courageous step because he was doing this when calling it out and saying that it came from a lab and Wuhan China was somehow or another conflated with racism.

Remember that? Yeah. If you said it came from Wuhan, China, from a lab, you're racist. Yeah. Like, how did you pull that off?

Like, kind of, it's like, no, let's say anything. It's racist. It's from fucking China and it seems like eco-health alliance funded and it seems like we funded eco-health alliance. Yes.

A lot of fucking paperwork. And by the way, there's studies on the fucking disease. Yeah. That they've been doing that are posted on the CDC website. They're posted on the fucking, my favorite was when you catch all this shit about Ivermectin.

Yeah. And literally when that happened, I went, oh, I'm fucking, look that up, look up Ivermectin and studies with Ivermectin. And a study pops up on the CDC website, while people are telling us to not take that shit.

And it talks about the efficacy of Ivermectin, and anti-viral properties, specifically COVID-19. Yeah. So it's on the government website that the fucking drug works, while they're telling everyone to not take it.

And they're mocking me for taking a poor steam warmer. Watch this. This is great. This is great. Good back.

Yeah. He's stopped. Because he still wants to put out that establishment position. I'd like to see he evidence, if you've got any evidence. Yeah.

through the majority of the population, where just whatever trust they had in the news, just

got severely eroded. Yeah.

“And if we don't have good news, if we don't have trust in the news, then we're kind”

of adrift. And then you get locked into fucking conspiracy theories and eco chambers online, and you can get trapped in them, too, and that's not good either. Yeah. Then there's nowhere to go get information.

Has anybody in NBC, CBS, CNN, if any of those people picked up on that Tulsi Gabbard speech about Fauci and had any sort of a reaction to it, I'd like to know that. Because from what I was reading online, no, none of them had, but this was as of yesterday. I don't know whether or not that's changed.

I don't know if they were preparing an article, and they wanted to make sure that they

got all their ducks in a row. I would think pretty much any time the head of an institute is begging for a pardon when he hasn't been charged with any crime, it's pretty good indicator. You might want to look and see if there's been a crime committed. Does he beg in for a pardon?

I mean, he got out. Fauci, he had an attorney's, in part of that deal, he had attorneys reaching out to Biden's camp the last day when he got the pardon, the very last day. It's just a preemptive pardon is nuts, especially when Rand Paul's questioning him and he's talking him about specifically about what what defines gain of function research.

And by all account, by every definition, it's gain of function research and Fauci's still saying, you do not know what you were talking about with all due respect. And even though he's a doctor, Rand Paul's a fucking doctor and then they say, well, you're an eye doctor. Well, that's my specialty, but before I became an eye doctor, I became a general doctor,

which means I studied all the same shit that Fauci studied. You had to go through medical school before you go pick a specialty. So four years of studying the entire body before you specialize in whatever you're going to specialize in it. It's also then if you read RFK Junior's book, the real Anthony Fauci, you find out he

over in this exact same playbook during the AIDS pandemic was exactly the same playbook.

“That's what the Dallas virus club is about.”

The Dallas virus club that McConhey movie about AIDS, the fucking villain is Anthony Fauci. He's the guy that's stopping them from getting alternative medications. That's the guy that wanted everybody to take AZT. You know why? Because AZT had already been approved.

They were already used that as a cancer medication. It was a chemotherapy medication that they stopped using because it was too deadly. It was killing people quicker than cancer was killing them.

So the first medication the gay people when they had an immune system that was compromised

was a chemotherapy medication that was killing people. And they were giving it to people that were asymptomatic. They were giving it to people that tested HIV positive. And then you know about the PCR testing. So the PTR says, carry molest, the guy who invented PCR testing said publicly about Fauci

did not know what the fuck he's talking about, I don't know what he said fuck, but he

“does not know what he's talking about and that it's not supposed to be used to detect”

a disease in a person's body. And that if you ramp up the cycles long enough, just like they did with COVID, where we got some by some estimations 80% false positives because the PCR method because they were ramping them up so high. And so they cut it back quite significantly and that reduced the amount of false positives

they had. But there's a lot of people that got tested as HIV positive that probably weren't. And they put those fucking people on AZT and AZT kills you. Wow. Yeah.

Nuts. Most mainstream outlets are treating it as a serious but unproven political bombshell. The reporting that gathered alleges what gathered alleges stressing the documents are disputed and under review and highlighting how polarized the reaction is. Green print, Jerusalem post, money control newsweek summarized her accusations emphasized

that COVID's origins remain unresolved and note that the claims about Fauci sparking COVID or lying under oath are heavily contested, not yet legally validated. Many stories frame this as reuniting a long running fight over lab leak versus natural origin. That fight is over, kids.

That fights over. If you're saying if you are in the news and you are saying that there's still a long running controversy as to whether it's a lab leak or natural origin, shut your fucking dirty whore mouth because it's not. The fights over.

It's a fucking lab leak. Let me say the new documents will need independent scrutiny from Congress, investigators, and scientists before any firm conclusions can be drawn.

cover-up narrative and give prominent space to Republicans like Grandpa, why is it more

“centrist or mainstream outlets present it as a straighter news tone, often pairing”

gabberts and GOP's quotes with Fauci's past the Niles, and nothing there is so far no judicial finding a perjury or criminal conduct.

What I've never done is how this became a left or right, so stupid when Fauci, who's

a career bureaucrat, right, through, I mean, when all this started, there was a Republican president, right, and then he served that Republican president, he served the Democratic president before that, and before that, and then he served a Republican, I mean, it's been there for fucking 50 years, this dude, it's not political. It shouldn't be political.

There shouldn't be a right left side of this, it's hey, a career bureaucrat, fucking lied to us. He used the exact same language when he was talking about AZT as a medication for HIV that he used for the COVID vaccine. The reason why it's the only medication is because it is both safe and effective.

Guys, a monster, he's one of those guys, throughout history, where you're going to look

back over time, and you go, holy shit, this one guy's lies, this one guy's aspirations,

this one guy's career, fucked so many people over. Yeah. And I don't understand why Democrats would want to fall in that sort with, there's no reason to align. Because people are stupid, and they just decide that because a Republican's a president,

and anything the Republicans are pushing has to be bad. And that stupid fucking division, it's so silly, it's so silly, it really is. Because the same people during Trump's presidency were openly saying, are you going to trust a vaccine that's created under Trump? They were all saying it.

Kamala Harris said it, a bunch of joy reads that they all said it, though.

And then they bet their entire political livelihoods on it.

He deserved better, we really do, or we don't, maybe we don't. We fucking think they're good, we're so silly, such a fucking silly group of human beings. Yeah. That's fucking wild. Not all of us, though.

“You know, I think less of us now, I think it's going to be way harder to divide people”

the way they divide it everybody in 2020, it'll be way harder now. I think most people are just not buying it. And as long as people wake up to this left versus right nonsense, it's really just a big fucking hustle to keep you fighting with each other. Oh, for sure.

Oh, for sure. Most of it. Even the ice stuff that we were talking about. Hey folks, do you think it's a coincidence that the biggest fucking ice protests were all going on in the same place where they found all that fraud?

Yeah, they've already been courteous, they've already been courteous, they've already organized massive protests, we're all occurring the same place with that Nick Shirley Cat found, fucking billions of dollars in fraud. Yeah. Shocker. Trying to crazy? Didn't they pass, didn't California pass a law?

And they're surely law to prevent that, that specifically that guy from fucking poking around the California. Yes. Yes. I mean, they've even referred to it as the Nick Shirley law. The idea is to keep people from investigating fraud, which is outlandish.

That is outrageous, that is a crazy thing to emphasize and the things all you want. Please people are showing up at daycares and looking at, right, they shouldn't, you're right, I 100% admit people, random people from the internet should not be showing up at daycares with cameras. I agree. However, when there's no one in that daycare for years and years and years and they can prove that fucking millions of dollars being earned by that daycare and there's no one in there because it's a little weird.

Isn't there a, isn't there? It's not fully passed in the law, not yet. Isn't there a video of that kid walking up to one of these and these dudes get out and drive off and they're fucking bently. I don't know if those are real. There's a bunch of fake videos that were made by people afterwards that we're just capitalizing on people wanting to click on something like that.

“And so they were just engagement farming by pretending and like the guy would show up and they'd go, what are you talking about?”

I don't know, I have no idea what is bad acting and they get in a Rolls Royce like, it's just bullshit. It's seen my bullshit to me, I mean, I'm sure a bunch of those guys made a bunch of money and I'm sure there is a lot of fraud, just like they're admitting it. Minnesota is admitting it. They knew it was going on forever, you know, and then how about the fact that there's certain politicians that voted against this idea, so one of those ladies that was killed, like there was a lady in her husband that were murdered in Minnesota.

They were trying to, they were trying to pass some bill involving Medicare and illegals and she was one of the ones that voted against it.

And she was killed, the guy who killed her said that Tim Waltz sent him to kill them. Now, I don't know if he's full of shit, he easily could be, he's a fucking crazy person, he's a murderer, he showed up at the house of a mask on and fucking shot them dead and shot a couple other people too. It's like he's, you know, obviously he's fucking cracked out, but kind of weird, kind of weird, that the lady who wants to vote against this obvious fraud. This money that's being somehow another funneled around through Medicare, like one of the things in England said when he was on the podcast is that Medicaid and Medicare fraud is one of the biggest fucking problems.

And he was looking into a doge, he goes, "I almost don't want to talk about it because I don't want to get killed," he goes, "it's that bad." And this was before all this Nick Shirley shit, and now you're seeing it, and you're like, "Oh, now I get it." These hospices that they have, these fake hospices in California, and then they's all the Somali daycare centers and all the different things. They're like, "These people just make autism, the autism diagnosis is went through the fucking roof because now they can have these autism centers, so they just diagnose their kids as autistic and then they're raking in all this money for treatment."

"It's crazy how much fraud there is," hundreds of billions of dollars, and then just, "what a shocker that that's the place where the big ice protest broke out." "Come." "People forget that." And they had to deal with their fans' coupons, so they were trying to get the chance to get the prize. So, now they're going to get their fans in the Rewe App, just 18 or 17.

Right, which was his intention.

“He gave a big public speech about it, and tried to look into it, and he's, if you're stealing hundreds of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars, what wouldn't you do to protect that?”

"Exactly." And that was Elon's point, and also that money for sure makes its way into democratic coffers, and probably Republican too. And whoever the fuck is going to be-- "Whoever's enabled before?" "Who's ever going to-- who's ever going to help out?

Whoever wants a piece of this pie is a juicy ass pie. It's a hundred billion dollar pie. Come get some."

"That'll almost bill you a real system in California. You get a mileage rack." "Or a second, Google Bridge." "Fuck in car sales, but have you had that guy on?" "No." "No."

"He wants to be on." "Yeah, I'm sure." "He talks a lot of shit about me." "First he was saying, "John Roney's not a fan of me, but I'm a big fan of him." "He was, like, saying all this."

"Doesn't he have his own podcast?" "Yeah."

“"Because that's what that state is running so well. He's got a lot of freedom."”

"It's so smooth. If you ask him, he'll tell you." "He'll tell you how awesome this is." "He'll give you stats." "He gets the stats right away." "People are moving there on record numbers."

"Yeah." "That's not true." "That's not true." "It's the all the stats, the positive stats. They were already going on before he was the governor." "It's California's an awesome place."

"The fucking weather's perfect."

San Francisco has always been an incredible tech hub of geniuses. There's always been a bunch of

super wizards up there that are creating some of them with best technology in the world. And that has nothing to do with him. Has zero to do with him and all these problems that they're inept government is caused. Because that's the real problem with him as a governor. That's a real problem with Karen Bass's a mayor.

It's a real problem with whatever the fuck happened to San Francisco. It's bad government. It's not upholding the rule of the law. Not keeping people safe. Being empathetic to people that are shooting up on the street, over people that are trying to walk their fucking kids to school.

Like what you're doing is bad for society. It's bad. And it seems to me that for the most part, for the most part, if you are the mayor of the city. When I was writing Yellowstone, the governor of Montana at the time,

who was a Democrat, I called him and asked him. I said, "Hey, I just talked to you about what it's like to be a governor."

“What did you think it would be and what did it turn out to be?”

And what he said was, Steve Bullock, this is this name.

and I learned that I am the CEO of a state and that my job as the CEO of the state

“is take care of the people who live in the state, the employees of the state,”

a track business here, a track tourism here, and try to make the state make more money, and make lives better. That's my job. Infrastructure and city management and people management and tourism. That's my job." And to a even more cutely to a mayor, you're really the president of the city, you're the CEO of the city, and your job is keep the lights on, pick up the trash,

put up the fires, deal with the sewage, keep it safe. Like, there's no social anything, secondarily, possibly. But run the schools, run the city, and you have in a lot of these big urban areas where they're so agenda-driven, and they're pushing a social agenda, and then I running the cities. They're not running them at all, and so they're running into the ground.

And it's tragic to see because San Francisco, like you said, is a beautiful city. LA used to be, and a fact in a place where you could go and make your dreams come true. San Francisco was awesome 10 years ago, just 10 years ago. I filmed my special triggered in the film more in San Francisco in 2016. Was great? No problems. It was almost people everywhere.

It was normal. It was normal San Francisco.

“Go to a cool restaurant, people are cool.”

Oh, he's been like a smart city, interesting architecture. Oh, he's been a great city. I lived there. From the time I was 7 to 11. All right. Yeah, I loved San Francisco. I'm recognizeable now. 10 years. That's it. 10 years of fucking ass-and-eye in government. And also, this homeless thing, when you realize that it's an industry,

when the homelessness is valuable, having homeless people on the streets is valuable, because you can get more money to deal with this obvious homeless problem.

The more obvious the problem is, the more money they're going to throw on it.

They don't have to fix it. Well, there's no intention to fix it. Right. They're giving out free needles here. Yeah. Get high here. And I was just somewhere where my first experience seeing the homeless in this magnitude.

And the one thing that's evident instantly is they're all so completely strong out on drugs. Like this fentanyl thing is no fucking joke. Like the zombies leaning against every corner. And to me, it's cruel. Right? Yeah. Like if someone's to that point and you want to help them, don't give them a fucking iPhone and some more needles.

How about you pick them up off the street? And you take them somewhere and go, "Look, there's a curfew here." And you ain't doing no drugs. We're going to clean you out. And some aren't going to want that. They're going to want to go back on the street and do drugs. And the addiction and the consequences of drugs that are that.

I had surgery. They had put me on fentanyl, next surgery. And they put me on fentanyl. There's high, then there's that shit. And that was done by an anesthesiologist. I wasn't self-medicating on a fucking parking lot. Right? Would you get done, your neck? C-67, blues and...

The fusion? No, no, no, no, no. I had the disinfectant. The disc, yeah. Just cut some of it down. Yeah. It's okay now. Yeah.

How long would you get that done? Was that maybe three years ago? Yeah. What was your two years ago? Yeah, three years ago.

Is that ever happens again? Don't do that. Don't? No. Well, it'll happen. This is, yeah, I'm sure it will. There's other ways.

There's a way. Yeah, there's PRP, can help in virginicine, help mine. I had a pretty bad bulging disc in my neck. That's virginicine. Virginicine is, they used to have to go to Germany to do it. I know paint and manning went there.

Kobe Bryant went there. And Dana White actually flew to Germany to get it done. It is, it's like an advanced form of platelet rich plasma, where they take your blood. They, uh, there's a process to it.

Pull it up, Jamie, because I can't remember what the process is. But they spin in a centrifuge for like 10 hours. And then you come back the next day. And they inject it and it makes this very potent anti-inflammatory. And they inject it around wherever the injury is to the disc.

And it provides, like, within weeks, amazing relief.

And for me, it completely cured it. I, I had a point when my fingers were going there.

“Yeah, that's what, uh, German, uh, go back up.”

Back to work, yeah. So German physician, Dr. Peter Welling, uh, the treatment focus on blocking a specific inflammatory protein interlukan one. So they take the blood out, um, they draw your blood and then the blood is heated to body temperature to trigger the production of a natural anti-inflammatory protein called IL1RA.

The serum is then injected directly into the painful joint or tissue. Dude, it was remarkable for me for, uh, knee injuries. I did it a bunch of times. I used to do it at, they, they moved it, you used to have to go to Germany. And then Santa Monica, they opened up an office.

It's a lifestyle medicine. That's what it's called, right? Um, and then, um, that's where I had it done.

And you, it's incredible. Like, it, I had it done my entire back.

Like, there's a picture of me on the, on Instagram with a bunch of these fucking tubes. And that's me right there, a bunch of those tubes, my hairy ass back. And, uh, it was incredible. I mean, it really fixed so many problems that I had. It's, uh, really great for specifically for back injuries, knee injuries, stuff like that.

There's a lot of good biological options. There's also decompression. It's very important. I have a harness that I attached to a pull-up bar and it straps under my chin. And I just like let my weight drop down and decompress my weight on my neck. I do that every day. And I also have this thing called a dex3. Is a dex2 or dex3? Uh, you, you hang forward, uh, it's like teeter makes it.

You know, that company makes those decompression tables. But this one's even better because you just hinge from the hip. So you're not supporting it at all with your legs. And it's just your back. It just goes like pop, pop, pop. Like you could feel it. I'll show it to you. We have one out here.

We have two of them out here actually. Right out. Yeah, in the gym. It's, they're, they're the shit. I have one at home. I don't, I, I will not not have one. I have to have one. It's so good for just decompressing your back.

“But you need to decompress the neck too.”

Anytime you do anything, if you're dead, lifting your squat, obviously, you're lifting a lot of heavy weights. If anytime you're lifting, where you go to think of all that pressure's on your back, all that's squashing down. And you got to do some of this stretch it out. No stretch it back out. But there's ways to heal it now without taking away the disc.

So the problem is every time they cut away a piece of your disc got less disc.

Yeah, less disc. Yeah. So the good news is there's some treatments that they're doing now where they're actually injecting some sort of a hydrogel. I heard about this. Yeah, into the disc itself. So I asked Brigham from ways to well about that and they're looking into it and they're trying to, but apparently this is not being done widely yet. This is like, there's just experimental. But they, they think they're going to be able to do that.

There's also some places like CPI, cellular performance institute down at Tijuana. They've successfully been injecting stem cells into people's discs. And it causes a disc to regenerate tissue and get thicker and healthier. Right. Yeah. Shane Dorian, my friend, he's a pro surfer and a big wave surfer and bow hunter. He went down there and he said it was remarkable. He said within a couple of months,

like a 30 to 40% increase in range motion, decrease in pain. Yeah, you could feel it. It's kind of an annoying process because once you do it, you can't really do shit for like six weeks.

“Like once you, I think it's six months. Well, that's what's same with the surgery.”

You're not doing shit for six weeks after that. But you can't lift weights. You could walk. You could walk. You know, it's all, it's all, the whole thing's like, let everything take. Like let it take, let it heal up. Don't do anything stupid. Don't re-end your it. Don't aggravate it. Like give it a chance to actually do its magic. Yeah. I'll look into that for sure. But any neck injury or back injury, there's such a mother fucker.

Any time you back goes, I like, everything you do is like, ah, it's so hard to do anything. It's like you realize like how nice it is to be healthy when you know, whenever you get hurt. Yeah, no back pain. That's, that's what killed my stuff all day. Back pain? Yeah. Did you get on pills? Yeah. Yeah. I have a friend in the family that did that. Yeah, he was in. I remember one time we were fishing up in Wyoming and and he just said, like, I can't do it.

Back hurts too bad. And he went in and had a surgery and that made it worse, which is, yeah. People's a real, real risk when you start messing around with the spine. Right. And so yeah, and then it was, you know, those are serious pain. Now we're talking oxy. Yeah, and now you're in just an agony. Now you're all in long. Yeah. And you can only do that chip for so long. Yeah. Now you're on a clock. Oxies are fucking terrifying. They're so terrifying. So terrifying.

How readily they were handing them out, too, forever. Yeah. Do you ever see pain killer that the

“Peter Berg, I think that he did for Netflix? No, I didn't. Fucking great, man. So Matthew”

Broderick placed such a great creep. Oh, he played the Sackler brother, the Sackler, really. Yeah, the head of the family that started this whole opiate problem that we have in this country.

It's a fucking terrifying because it's all real. And then those fucking people never went to jail.

Who knows how many people are dead because of them? Yeah.

ruined countless lives. How many lives people that were connected to your dad,

“gets hooked on that shit, ruins your relationship with your family. You, you wind up being all”

fucked up because you grew up with the dad who was throwing out on pills. No, generation. Yeah. Generational damage. Oh, God. Yeah. And these guys put their feet up. Yeah. They go to a fucking nice country club and have the lobster. Yeah. Cock suckers. There's so many of them in this world. There's like that's genuinely evil. Yes. There's real demons. That's a real demon. Like people want to think demons live in hell. And you know, that's that's kind of may or may not be real.

Well, no, they're on earth. There's demons right here. Yeah. And they justify it. They figure out a way to justify it. And they're around a bunch of other people who justify it too. And they can just immediately dismiss any pain or suffering because they got a huge amount of profit from it. Yeah. Yep. Those are the fuckers. Those are the fuckers. Yeah. They're out there. And it doesn't

“take many of them to create like real carnage. I mean, think about that. Think about the”

opioid issue in this and it's still going. It was the gateway to fentanyl. Right. Mm-hmm. If you think about it. Yeah. It was the gateway to fentanyl. And it was, uh, it was also. It's like they were doing those pain management centers down in Florida where they just all the prescribed his pills. So you would go and like, I'm in pain. They're like, oh, Taylor, we've got the solution. It's right next door. And you go right next door to their pharmacy and all their pharmacy has,

like, they don't have Ben Gay over there. And they have toothbrushes. Oxy. Yeah, they've got oxy. Yeah, buddy. This is the solution. Yeah. Fucked. Yep. Yep. That's the real drug trade. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, the cartel is basically getting the scraps. They're making

trillions of dollars off scraps. Well, think about this. Did you even know what fentanyl was 15

“years ago? I never heard of it. No. I don't even remember when we first heard about it, but when”

we first heard about it on a podcast, we were talking about it and we found the amount that's lethal. They showed it next to a penny. Yeah. And they're like, what? Yeah. That can kill you. And the people are taking that and they're mixing that in cocaine. Holy fuck. And they are bent over zombies on the side of the road. Yeah. Philadelphia's bad, too. There's a bunch of cities that are just real bad with it. And it doesn't have to be that way. And what's interesting is this

eye-begin initiative that Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard are pushing in Texas and that I went to the White House to get Trump to be involved in. And they're trying to make this so that it's you have a right to use, a right to use a right to try for people that are addicted and they're trying to make it more readily available and accessible to veterans. That's the thing that can help all these people. What is it now? Eye-begin? Do you don't know what that is? No. Eye-begin is a

it comes from the abogatory in Africa. And it is this very potent psychedelic that has no recreational use at all. It's not fun. Nobody likes it. It's not like a trip. You see zombies and fucking hang out with aliens. Uh-uh. You go into this very dark experience for like 24 hours where it like replays your life to you in a very uncomfortable way. And also somehow or another rewires addiction in your brain. And for a large percentage of people, just one dose is good enough

to get them off of everything. Whatever they're on, whether it's alcohol, gambling, coke, whatever the fuck it is. But for two doses, when they do it twice, it's significantly better. And it doesn't just do that. Rick Perry, who was the Republican former governor of Texas, was staunchly anti-drugs. He said, this is his main focus in life now, is to promote this. This is his goal in life,

because he did it. And he had an incredible reaction to it. And he knows so many veterans who have

done it. It's incredible for PTSD. Somehow or another, it has neuro-regenerative properties where he went there and they said, he went to his doctor before and you know, doctor to the whole scan of his body and he said, look, you've got a certain amount of age-related brain atrophy. It's like it's fine. But you know, it's normal that you're 73 years old or 74 years old. So he goes and does the eye-begining. Uh, season's doctor a short time afterwards and the doctor says,

it's 25% less atrophy than when you got the last scan. And he explains to him the whole eye-begining thing. He goes back six months later. It's all gone. He has no brain atrophy anymore, which is bananas. So it's regenerating brain tissue. It's making his brain work better. And it's just, a form of a suitable company. It's hard going with that shit out. Well, they didn't like it.

But Trump was very open to it. He said, what are you looking for? You're looking for FDA approval?

“Like, let's do it. Like, that's literally what he said. And then a week later, we were at the”

White House and he was signing it. So it's incredible. But if so many veterans have had to go over

to mostly Mexico, but Costa Rica, there's a bunch of different places that they go where they can have these eye-begining retreats. And these guys have had incredible results. Marcus LaTrell, he had an incredible result from it. He had a real problem drinking. You know, obviously, he's the guy that alone survivor. The movie's based on his experiences over in Afghanistan. So this guy, you know, he's done it. He's gotten over it because of that. There's a long,

Sean Ryan, long list of guys who have had this experience and they completely changed them. Wow, Dakota Meyer did it. So many of these guys did it. And because of those, their stories, because all these veterans, then it, like, kind of opened up the idea to a lot more right-wing people that would baby be, like, more hesitant to accept something like this. Then on top of it, no recreational use. Like, no one's like, boy, can't wait to do that again.

Everybody's like, holy shit, this sucked that diarrhea. I threw up. I felt, I was horrified for a fucking 12 hours. Apparently, just takes you through every aspect of your life. Like, review like a movie. All the times you've ever hurt people, you see it from their perspective. Like, like, yeah, it's like, very, it's a very dark experience for a lot of people, especially a lot of people that have fucked up a lot of their life, you know? Wow.

Yeah. But if those people had access to all of the game, all these homeless people then you see, strung out. If instead of just giving them needles in an iPhone and, like, profiting off of it, if somehow or another, these assholes can figure out a way to profit off of these centers, we could bring people in and give them eye-begame retreats. Maybe that would be a nice little fucking exit strategy for all these grifters that have been

profiting off of the homeless industrial complex for so long. Yeah. They're not trying to solve problems.

“No. No, they're trying to make money. That's what I was saying earlier when talking about”

charities. That's the saddest thing that I have come to the realization that most non-profits are fucking scams, like most of them, most of them. And this guy was like reading off like the average amount that these people that are in charge of the homeless program in L.A. are making us, it's extraordinary amount of money. It's a great living. They're not doing it because it's like some sort of very charitable thing that they really want to save the world and help people.

They're making tons of money. They're performative entrepreneurs if you think about it. Come up with the problem, then go pitch some version of Karen's solution to a government and take the

fucking money and never solve the problem. Because as soon as you solve the problem, if you do somehow

accidentally solve it then go find another one. Yeah. And I think that's one of the reasons why shows like Yellowstone in particular that show people that are proud to work hard and really get deep satisfaction out of that life. And there's something about that that really resonates with people. There's a better way than just bullshitting people. There's a better way than fraud and nonsense and all this political horseshit that's pumped down your throat every day. No, how about a fucking

just a sleeping bag and the stars? How about that? Just lying there with your horse tied to a tree. Isn't that really what everybody wants? Isn't it just a really everyone to cook their dinner over a fire and laugh with all their friends? Because that's what they really want. That's that's just really something good. Simple. Something real. Something that's like there's it's not that simple because it's hard to do all that shit but there's something about it that's pure. It's pure. There's no

it stands for butts. You spend a lot of time outside, right? And the entire thing's an endeavor. Right? If you go on, you go bow hunting. You're going to practice prepared before you go. Then you're going to hike your S in somewhere. You're going to set up a camp and all of these are tasks before you even go on to do the thing you went there to do, which is going to be another task. But the completion of them is the reward. Yeah. And the fact that you're doing it yourself.

“Everything done yourself. I think that's, and that's why people are so attracted to the”

life. That's why I've got, you know, third generation cowboys that went and got a degree in

ranch management to come back and make $3,000 a month and couldn't be happier. It's wild isn't it? It's really wild. You think about it? It's wild what people actually gravitate towards. Because they say that if you're seeing that Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People? No. It's called Happy People Life in the Tiger. And it's all about these trappers that

They don't have any other way to make a living. That's all they do. And they're so fucking happy. And they're all laughing together and drinking together and hanging out with their dogs and their dogs or sled dogs. And so they're on, they're on snowmobile and the dogs are chasing behind them and the dogs hunt with them. And these fucking people have like zero mental illness. And when they're talking to them, they're talking in Russia and so it's all translated.

But what they're talking about like the way they talk, it's like that this is how you're supposed to live. This is real life. And they're all happy. There's a guy. I'm going to get his name wrong. It's like Primager, something like that. And he... in this 60s. Zick Primakin. Primakin. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. The guy lived in Alaska. Yeah. Went up, said bucket. Yeah. Went up into the way into the wild and built by hand,

a cabin and lived there and in document it brought out a little supreme camera, whatever, film the whole thing. And and filmed himself. I mean, he, he lived for 35 years. He was 80 something years old when he finally was too old to get through another winter when he came down. I mean, he just built this cabin and just lived on the fished, grew.

“Potatoes had to do it. There he is. Brannicky. Pronicky. That's how he says name.”

PRO. If you haven't, if you haven't watched that documentary, it is fascinating. It's amazing.

Yeah. Look at the difference. What is it? Oh, they come with you. Oh, this is... But why they show this 2023? This guy, when he documented all of it, you know, it's so attractive. There's something about the way he's living. And he's by himself, which is also wild. Like, how do you not get lonely? No, there's that. I mean, I'd lose my fucking marbles. I need people. Yeah. I need to talk to somebody. I don't think I'd be like in that, but I don't know.

But it's so attractive. But the notion of that kind of self-reliance. Yeah. No, there's something about it. It's like deeply ingrained in our DNA. It's not just that. It's just a healthy interaction with the wild world. There he is. Look at that guy. Made all that denim self. That's what's crazy. Yeah. The whole, the whole, I mean, he made his own tools. He made it.

“It was, it's really why. I think he was a, wasn't he a lumber man or something like that?”

I can't remember if he was looking at fucking pretty. That is my god. This is right in front of

his house. You just build a house out there. Alaska is amazing, man. I mean, the winners can suck

at Dick, but the, just the actual being there in the place and the people are, they're clearly like extraordinary people. Like, when you go, did you see even hanging out on a bar and anchorage? Like, you guys are different. They're like more reliable. You know, no matter where dirty your people. No matter where you live in Alaska, you're going to have to be tough. Yeah. You have to be. And they were laughing about some guy who got stomped to death by a moose because he was thrown

snowballs out of town. Like, okay. Like, that's something you guys have to think about. You might get stomped to death in front of the ATM machine. Or maybe maybe don't throw a fucking snowball at a thousand pound animal. Yeah. Well, you can catch a cow with their calves and she'll stop. Yeah. What? So, it's a book. Prentice says he turned his back on a tedious, on tedious 50 hour work weeks and moved to Alaska to do a thing to completion. He built the

“cabin when he was 51 and lived there for more than 30 years. Wow. Wow. Where is that area?”

The Twin Lakes and Lake Clark National Park? I don't know. There's another guy that lives up there that lives near the Arctic Circle. Vice-guided travel did a piece on him years ago. It's the same kind of deal. He lives in a cabin and he's been up in that cabin since the 1970s. He didn't.

He never saw an island 11. He saw a photograph of it years later. He's just been up there

in the woods. All he does is he hunts Caribou and he has them all hanging up like frozen because it's frozen outside. Like this is outside as his cooler and while they're there, grizzly tries to steal a stash and he has to shoot the grizzly. It's crazy. Really? What's that called? It's called Vice-guided travel and it's Hainmo's Arctic Adventure. It's the video series and what's interesting. This is like the early days of vice when vice was really cool and they get this

fucking nerd with glasses. It's probably from like Williamsburg who flies out to Alaska to hang out with this guy and they say like these journalists were like hardcore. These young kids where they knew

started out. These guys would go to the fucking war zones and get shot out. They had bulletproof

vests on a shit. They'd be doing investigate like real investigative reporting and so this guy did just really went up there and hung out with this dude in Alaska for like a week and was talking to him. He's like what's so great about this and he's a very intelligent guy. He's not the guy who's this guy Hainmo. See if you find that. Do you find it? I mean, they're still posting stuff. There's the Alaska Laskan. She's been last Alaskans. Oh, he's still posting stuff. They have a YouTube

channel. Oh wow. Hi, Mo and Edna. Oh wow, he looks older now. Hey, they're talking about podcast here. Is that gonna go? Oh, interesting. They're talking about podcasts. Our podcast. Oh, because we talked about them. I mean, you're a picture popped up. That's it. That's me talking about them. Yeah. See if you could find the vice guy to travel because that's where I found out about them. So this guy's he's like one of the last people that's allowed to live up there. He has

like a notice posted on his his cabin because he's grandfathered in. I don't think you could build a cabin up there anymore. Yeah, that's not this is afterwards 15 years ago. He might be it. But I think it's called Hainmo's artic adventure. Yeah, Hainmo, Hainmo's artic refuge. That's the article. Yeah, I mean, the vice website isn't really one of the most well-kept things on the internet these days.

Oh, put in an artic adventure. I'm guessing that the article was the first thing and then they

“went and followed up to make a video and that's what this is. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, maybe that's it.”

Yeah, see, it's it's presents Hainmo's artic refuge. Right. That's probably it could have just changed the name on YouTube. I think they did or maybe I remember it wrong. Either way, this guy's premise is that this is really how you should live. This is how people, yeah, that's the guy. So he's looking nerdy cat is hanging out with us. He looks so out of place. Yep, this is it. And he's got this carabou that he shot and they're hanging frozen and he just saws off a piece and throws the frozen

stakes onto the grill, cooks it over wood and this is how the sky lives and that's all he eats.

He's just eating carabou and salmon and he lives up there all year round, man. And it's uh,

I mean, he's just very happy and that this is the weird part about it is how happy people

“who live like this are. So I think that's you know, a brain. That's how we're designed to exist with”

nature. Yeah, designed to be hunter-gatherers. You know, we're still at the same DNA as people who live tens of thousands of years ago. And you know, cities started, well, maybe 10,000 years ago and some form, right? Yeah, depending on who you ask, you know, I think we're a little wrong with that too. I think they're starting to change their perspective of when actual civilization emerged because of stuff like co-beckly, tapy and turkey. They found these immense structures that are 11,000,

800 years old that were buried that this guy who was like, I think it was a sheep herder in the 90s, found it. Oh, yeah, I found like a stone that was like sticking out of the ground weird and kicked it with boots, like knock it some dirt off and then he brought in some archaeologists and then they discovered this massive complex. These like huge circles of giant stone columns of 3D animals carved in them and they carbon-dated the ground and it was intentionally covered up somewhere around

11,000 plus years ago. So they're like, yeah, so like what the fuck is this? Like they didn't

“even know like what the civilization was like, why did they build this? What's the purpose of it?”

There's lots, a lot of people that debate whether or not what's depicted on it is a calendar, is it a marking of an event? Does it show the flood? Like what is this? It's weird stuff, man. Like really weird stuff. And I think there's more of that than you'd like to that makes people comfortable. An archaeologist or very hesitant except it. But that whole deal, right? Like your relevance being upon you discovered this thing. When they found the the Clovis point, so then we're dating

everything off of that and anyone finding anything else is going to render that guy's discovery less important. Yeah. And you know there's at one point we thought there was this logical evolution of man from homeore rectus into homo sapiens and now we know that there were at least four maybe five species of humanoid living at the same time. It's not only that, it's like really

100 years. Yeah, it's just what we've been able to find and we're basing an entire science upon incredibly incomplete discoveries. Well, we're basing an entire science on a very limited number

“that can even possibly exist. Like I think if you take into account how many dinosaur bones”

they've found and then how many dinosaurs existed and for how many hundreds of millions of years dinosaurs existed and you realize like, oh, like most shit doesn't make a fossil. So we don't even know how many different dinosaurs that we even, I mean they just discovered a new one recently.

This is we don't even know how many existed that we never found fossil last. Yeah, if you

if they didn't run through some lava dead or tarpid or something, how would you know? And every so often some new form of ancient human pops up or like, oh, well, what's this one? But the fuck is this one? This is weird ones. They're all over the place. It's a fucking ton of them. The Denis Olvins, the one in, I believe it was in China, the big-headed people. They're quite a bit larger. These are in Texas. Yeah, that's Glenn.

Dinosaur Valley State Park. Wow. That's Glenn Rose, Texas. That's crazy. How crazy is that?

“Look at those flip-print. That's so nuts. That is so nuts. The dinosaur left those. How long ago?”

113 million-year-old dinosaur tracks. What the fuck man? And you know, we're just lucky. So what is that thing and how much did it fucking weigh to imprint into that? Which is now granite, right? But at the time it's probably some mixture of mud and ash from a volcano that came together. Right, probably some version of that. Right, I wonder what the animal was. Do they know which dinosaur it was? I'm sure one here, I don't know if it's the one, I guess that's the one they assumed is there.

God, those flip-print's are so dope. That's so wild. One of the first guy I found that was... It says it was discovered after a drought. So it would have been on a... Oh, that's even cooler. So it was underneath the water the whole time. And then they're like, "Oh, the river dried up completely in most locations lying for more tracks to be uncovered here in the park. Wow. That's sick."

That's the animal. Well, to be, I don't know, yeah, they wouldn't know for sure. Belonged the two types of dinos, including acrocan, canthosaurus. Yeah, I don't think they've found any fossils or anything to be for the record. That's even just crazy, right? All you find is the feet. Think about how many died there. Think about how many just got eaten by other animals and shit out.

I mean, most stuff that lives, I mean, you know as well as anybody, you very rarely find skeletons in the woods. No, the mice are going to eat them. Yeah, something's going to eat most of what you find in the woods within a couple of years, everything's gone. But like, most of the last time, it'll give you a hunter. Good luck finding a dead mountain lion. They must die. They must die.

I don't know anybody. It's found a dead one. I've never found one. I've never seen one.

It was thousands of them. Big die. Where are they? Fucking nature takes care of everything.

“And that's what would happen to most fossils. Yeah. That's why most fossils don't happen.”

I mean, when people die, they don't get fossils. There's a 1908 local schoolboy found some of these. Wow. Look at the size of those next to that dude. That's crazy. Imagine you ran home and try to tell your parents about some dinosaurs. They wouldn't even know dinosaurs really were at that back then. How would they have known? Well, there's a lot of people today that don't even think dinosaurs are real. It's just hilarious. There's so many, so many knuckleheads online.

But, I mean, we don't, we have a very limited amount of information that we're basing, aren't the entire history or some planet. What do you describe that as in 1910? Three-toed giant. Lizard? I don't even know. How would you even be sure that that was a footprint? Come look at this. Then you got to tell everybody else in the town to come follow you out there to find it.

Right. In 1910, did they even have drawings of dinosaurs? Well, I would think they would have found some of the bones. I'm sure. I think we figured that out. I think we talked about that. Didn't they first start finding them in the 1800s? Isn't that what it was? Yeah, it's not. I mean, if you think about how many different things died and just were absorbed by the earth, just get eaten, shit out, swallowed up, just destroyed by time and erosion,

and never became fossils. We're basing the entire history of the planet on a limited amount of

information. And that information, it never gets younger. It always gets older. The more stuff they found, they found a modern version of human beings that pushes the timeline of humans back

the Bearingland Bridge, 12,000, 14,000 years ago. Now they've pushed that back 10,000 years. Yeah, they found those footprints in white sand, New Mexico, and those are 22,000 years old.

“It took a giant flood to come wash away layers of sediment. Oh, reveal that. That's what”

somebody around it, I guess. Wow. And then they started digging. That's fucking cool. That is so cool. And this is in 1952. They did that? No, no, 1908. Nine o'clock. The pictures are from 1952. Oh, okay. I must have just kept maybe it flooded again

50 years later. Hmm, flood to do happen here fast. When did they first figure out dinosaurs?

Like, what was the first year a dinosaur bone was discovered? On your ranch, do you find like a lot of like arrowheads and like Native American stuff? The one I grew up on everywhere. Yeah. Every time I did rain, you'd find these points. That's it. It thralls me. It's so fascinating. You pick up some arrow. I found one in Nevada,

“while I was on a mild year hunt. I was in the high desert. We found this little tiny thing.”

I looked down. Oh, my God. It's a fucking arrowhead. And you just think some dude who knows how many hundreds of years ago shot thousands of years. We found a bunch, and my mother took him to Fort Worth to the museum and they dated them. And they could look at him and they'd know various styles, right? And they got, oh, this was made by this is 2200 years old, this is 1000 years old. This is when they started doing this. We have one here. I got one here somewhere. It's a big one, too.

1677 was when the first scientifically recorded dinosaur bone was described, although it says they've been digging people have been digging them up for thousands of years. But they didn't know what the fuck it was. This one who says he even thought it belonged to a giant human. And this is one for me. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah, friend of mine got that off of his ranch. I've read me warned told me that's probably one they used for fishing because it was so big.

Interesting. Yeah, I thought so too. I was like that's interesting because I guess when you're dealing with old bows that didn't have a whole lot of power, they really wouldn't want a big wide cut because you wouldn't get enough penetration to get through the ribcage unless you were really close. It would be more on a spear. No, it would be on an arrow. It would just be something that you shot at a fish because it's easier to penetrate than like say a buffalo, where they would use a

smaller head. They're just trying to get penetration. That's fascinating. I had some just amazing

thing you're finding just this piece of ancient history where people had no internet, no books, no nothing, just flint napping and using tendons that shouldn't. Yeah. And then trying to practice with those bows, figure out how to do it while you're on horseback too. It's crazy. So where you grew up on the ranch you grew up, you find them all the time? All the time. What was the old

“of shit you found? I can't remember, but I remember it being thousands of years old a few thousands”

years old. But we had my mother had this wicker basket that was like this big and it was full of arrowheads. Wow, you'd find them just toss them in there. That's crazy. It just makes you think. Like how long did people live on that land? How many hundreds, thousands of years did people live on that land? Yeah. Yeah. And or pass through or have battles or f*cking knows. Yeah. Or when you find them like we found them, I mean every single time it rained,

there was this stock tank behind our house and maybe it's half mile up to the stock tank. We walked that road and you could find four or five. So was that a trading depot? Was that some place where people

went to trade? And then I always think like how do you lose that? Right. As hard as they must be

to make. Right. You'd think once you've shot that arrow, you're going to go look for the arrow. Yeah. As you spend hours making this. They must have shot so many for so long. They might, I mean they're probably shooting them every day. They probably had somebody back at the camp, making them every day. Yeah. It's probably some guy that that's his skill. Yeah. Maybe that maybe when people got older, they couldn't, couldn't run. Right. You know, maybe. They sat back in. Right.

Yeah. And that guy makes the arrows and maybe somebody else makes the bows and this guy's going out and shooting a deer and bringing them back. When you do in a show like 1823, how much

theatrical things that I ever watched, movie or television show that I feel like nailed what it

“must have been like to try to travel across the country, to be a civilized person living in the”

city, try to make your way across the country and just experience the wild shit those people saw. Well, there's a few things. So a lot of research. But interestingly, I had my family had come one side of my family, had come from Kentucky to Texas in the 1840s and whatever great-great-grandmother journaled. Wow. So I had the journal. A holy shit. And then I started finding other journals. There wasn't, you know, the somewhere published and reading about, you're just now fucking dangerous.

It was, if you think about it, rivers were the most terrifying thing, crossing rivers, because no one swam. No one could swim. And most of the most of the people who came in to either the port of New Orleans or Galveston, they were European. They were German, a lot of Germans. There were a lot

“of Central Europeans that came, and they were promised to reland. There would be travel agencies”

that they would arrange the entire trip with before they'd even left Germany or Croatia or wherever they were. And so by the time that they landed in Galveston, they would meet up with their group, and the group would, you know, they have chipped in all this amount of money and they've got guides, and they would have already arranged for mules or horses and wagons, and off they go.

And they had no idea, a lot of them had never fucking ridden a horse in their life.

Much less fired a gun, much less, you know, they're in in a completely foreign area. Like they don't, and they landed in Texas. Most of them heading to Oregon, because that area was the most similar to where they were from in Central Europe. And, you know, for whatever reason, they didn't some didn't get that far. Some maybe never got past Waco or Fort Worth or wherever. And then off they went, and the dangers were from obviously rivers and sun exposure, disease.

Obviously there were issues with bandits and the Native American tribes, depending on the time of year, the era, right, by the 80s that was largely not an issue, 1880s. But bandits sure, shit were real issue. Because there's no rule of law. Right. And we can look at, there's plenty of bad people doing awful shit today, and we got all sorts of laws. Now imagine if those people had the wherewithal to go to a place to where there's no laws. No law and no enforcement, no help,

no nothing. You're on your own. You were on your fucking own. And there was a bunch of people that had been living like that for decades. Just fucking people up. Wait for you. Just wait and for you. Wait for you. Here they come. Let's get them. Yeah. And that was what their thing was. Yeah. No, so river crossings were incredibly dangerous. And then trying to, if you didn't have an experience guide, you're fucked, truly fucked. Because you could pick the wrong way and

run out of water. Go wander around in the circle. You get up there on the great plains to where it's flat. And you don't know how to read the sun. You don't know where you're going. People go out there and make giant circles. Yeah. I was reading something about that the other day that

people tend to, for whatever reason, always walk in a counterclockwise direction when they get lost.

And that even if they're left-footed or right handed or left handed, it doesn't seem to matter. Humans, when they walk, if they get lost, like in the woods, they walk in circles. And they almost always walk in a counterclockwise direction. And so it's article was explaining that if you

“find yourself lost and you think you're running into the same places, most likely you should”

be your towards the right. Because you're most likely looping towards the left for whatever reason. People tend to do that. One of those like a scientific explanation, see if there's put that in perplexity. See why people move in a counterclockwise direction. Plexity doesn't know shit, doesn't have any trust. What's in the ship?

I never understood getting lost in the wilderness. I didn't understand it. Really?

I can understand not know where you are, but I never understood getting lost. Do you must have

you're facing it, then behind you is west, so your left is north to your right. Some people have

“zero experience in the woods, though. People tend to loop often counterclockwise when lost because”

small errors in our internal sense of straight ahead accumulate. And humans also have a subtle left turn counterclockwise bias, whose exact cause is still unclear. And that weird? Wow. That's so weird. In lab and field experiments, blindfolded people tend to walk straight

without landmarks, almost always end up curving into large loops instead of moving a straight line.

People told rather to walk straight without landmarks. Wow. This happens because without internal clues, oh external clues like the sun, distant objects or a visible path, small random errors in balance and body feedback, build up until the path bends enough to close into a circle. Wow. That's got to be so disheartening. You've been walking for days, and then you pass the same dead tree and you're like, oh my god, we walked in a fucking circle.

Pedestrians everywhere exhibit a counterclockwise bias, wired to walk counterclockwise. During COVID, scientists studying social distancing noticing people seem to prefer

moving counterclockwise. That's so weird. Tendency is fundamentally individual rather than a

collective. What does that mean? So every individual does it, I guess, rather than a group of people just following the leader. Pretty wild. So when people get lost, some people have just zero experience being in the woods at all, and they just don't know where to go. Where are we? And

“they just, they just fucking freak out. And then they panic because they think, what's out there?”

I'm like, oh my god, I want to die. Yeah. And you realize that once you're out there, the nature doesn't give a fuck if you make it. No. That's in care at all. No. As it's heartless, completely oblivious to your desire to stay alive. It's not interested in what

you want to do at all. Nope. Nope. Not at all. It's in Bivalent. But that's also part of the beauty of it,

right? Yeah. When you're out there, especially if you take yourself seriously, you're out there. You're like, oh, I ain't shit. It'll, it'll, it'll test you. Yeah. When you're writing a, a thing like 1823, like you're doing all this research and you read the, the diaries from, you're, you said you're great-grandmother. Is that real? Like great-great-great-great-grandmother. Did you, uh, did you have anything like putting some of those letters online, so other people can read them?

No. There's plenty of, there's, there's any number of published books of very similar journals. I don't, but if you kind of don't, for people to read about your great-great-grandmother. Yeah. Nothing happened, right? Like, it's, uh, interesting. We've had, freaking, whatever weird shit they had for dinner that night, and, you know, so-and-so was rude. And, you know, it was this, and we, you know, we stopped in this beautiful valley, and it was hard

to get across the river, and I was scared. And, you know, but no attacks, no, it was pretty un-eventful.

“They got lucky. It's just, it's interesting, just as a window into time. Yes. You know?”

Well, what's interesting, really, is how well-written the journal was, right, 'cause everyone was a very educated, it was better educated. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, and, yeah, that's, that's weird, right? When you read like civil war letters, I mean, you're like, "Why are these guys so fucking smart?" I've letters from my grandfather who died in World War II,

love letters from him to his, to my grandmother. Years of them, because, you know, he, they enlisted in 1941, and then went off of Became a, they flew a, I guess it was the B-19, a bomber. And, yeah, and wrote all these letters to her. Yeah, and I have all those, and they're just magnificent. Just the way that people would just be so eloquent in a letter to, you know, your wife. Yeah, might be love it. They would write things like that. Yeah.

Is we're like the deterioration of our ability to express ourselves, the common person's ability to express themselves? You wouldn't have expected that back then, I bet. If you could tell people about the future, oh, you're going to have the answer to any question on your phone, you have a small device in your pocket, it's also acts as a flashlight. You're going to be able to pick that thing up and ask it anything you want, and instantaneously it's going to give you a result,

but call people, they must be brilliant. No, no, they're half-retarded. Because they didn't learn anything. Right. Right. You can ask a machine, the machines, done all the learning. Yeah.

Yeah. Just like equity. The problem with equity is he didn't earn it. Yeah. The problem with

having the same results as everybody else when you don't put the same effort. People in the 1800s often spend blocks of time, typically one to three hours at a stretch on letter writing, and heavy correspondence because easily spend several hours most days. Wow. Most people treated correspondence as a regular daily or weekly task similar to a modern email block, accepting that it would be take a significant chunk of their time. Wow. I mean, how important was the

fucking mailman back then? Everything. I was everything. Everything. Some dude on a horse with a fucking bag of letters. That's for a quarter. It'll be now much that they charge. A quarter was

a lot of money back then. Probably was less than that. Yeah. Probably half a penny or something

if they had it. Well, they did have a half penny. How much do you enjoy writing that kind of a show versus writing a show like Lyonus or like Landman? What is your, do you have a favorite or do you like all of them? No. I can't save. I have a favorite necessarily. The fun thing about Lyonus, which is sort of, I can't say it's ripped from the headlines because I don't, I've tried to be, I've tried to guess what's going to happen politically and then fictionalize that. And the fact

that I've managed to be right, that's a pretty fucking file that I thought surely in season two, when I, when I, when I said that the cartels have been listed as terrorist organizations,

I'm like, this could be my 18 month cancel vacation coming. And then it fucking happened.

And then it came out, you know, the show came out within weeks of that and then I looked, I looked really like a suitsayer. So that, it's, it's a lot of fun because it's so political and it's not, it doesn't choose a political side. It just looks at the, the trade craft of espionage and how it's, it's intermingles with our military and, and it's just fascinating,

“shit to me, just fascinating. But there's so many different things that you have to be aware of”

to write the shit that you write. You know, like, is the Harrison Ford 11923 something? That one is fascinating too, because you got the guy who goes off to Africa and, you know, and he comes back and you got all these people that are trying to steal land. So it's not totally lawless, but it's on the border of lawlessness. Yeah, you're, you're, you're watching, you know, Montana and the 20s was fascinating. It was a fascinating place because you've got the 20th century, the Industrial Revolution

in full swing, and you have washing machines and refrigerators and telephones and electricity, and then you still, you're still traveling my horseback. Yeah. So it's very, very interesting. And so, so that, that's a really fun thing to explore. That one's due, it was the evil rich guy on that show. Oh, yeah. Oh, he killed him. Oh my god. That's right, Tim Dalton. Who was Bond at one point? Yeah. And crazy. Yes. Yeah. My god, he played a good fucking creep twisted. So good. Yeah.

“I forgot that it was Tim Dalton. That's how good it was. Yeah, my wife watched that and looked at me like,”

"How do you think that shit up dude?" Like, I got the side eye for a couple of scenes where she's like, "Bro, what are you thinking?" Yeah, there's a couple of scenes I wondered myself. Yeah. Oh, so like, this is rough. Like, that's evil. Some of the S&M stuff is actually twisted. But there's people like that in the world. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. I had to, I'll tell you what, my, my computer. I just assume that the CIA and FBI have like a whole team because the shit I look uh,

what I'm researching. Wait, how to make a bomb? As an impractice. CIA hot regions in the Middle East and it's all at once, right? Yeah. Yeah. There's no way they're not looking at your phone. Oh, they're looking at it going. Taylor's writing something new. Look at this. I don't think anybody that has any influence, they probably look at your shit no matter what anyway. Which is also dark. Like, we don't even know how much actual real spying on people's

“occurring. Which is guessing. No, we don't have any idea. I think within the world of tradecraft”

a tremendous amount. Oh, yeah. I think within the world of, I mean, within that world, I think. How, when you're writing that, how difficult is it to really keep your finger on the pulse of what's actually going on with espionage and like, what tools they actually have available? Like, are you making some up? No, I mean, most of the, I mean, I'm sure there is some extremely

facial recognition, all of these things. But a lot of it's also very low-tech by design because

it's harder to, it's harder to trace, right? And, and it's a lot of leverage and manipulation, you're either, driving someone with money or blackmailing them. And that's typically those,

“those are the two tools that are being used the most in tradecraft and the spy game, right?”

That's really your, it's leverage, leveraging individuals. And they're all doing it. Everybody, right? Every single. And then if you look at some of the, and again, I'm not getting on any completely apolitical. But from a tradecraft standpoint, what the massage was able to do with all those fucking cell phones and pages and shit? Like, not, you want to talk about

play the long game. Like, build this dummy company, sell all these, get all these devices to

all of these people who are your enemy. And to start setting them off years later, detonate insanity. It's genius. It really is insanity. Not endorsing it. But you're saying. No, but if you the actual act of doing it to look incredibly, the patients and the planning and the

“risks and that they were able to execute, that is, is shocking. When you saw that in the news,”

did you think if I wrote that, no one fucking buy it? Dude, I do that all the time for news. The Maduro, right, if I'd written it, right, no, right, they were like, that's too simple. Fuck outta here. Somehow it goes down. Yeah. Even the, but not been lawden ready to helicopter crashed. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that they were able to, and I know it wasn't as smooth as it was led on to be, but the fact that no one died, not in the American invading the Swiss

military base in the middle of Caracas, it's fucking insane. It seems like it went pretty smooth. Do you think it went less smooth than they're saying? I'm sure that there's elements of, like, I'm sure, right, I don't know how any, the one thing I've learned with all my research into

“the militaries, any of these operations, there's, there's actually a line in, in the upcoming”

line is where someone says, did it go smooth? And the, the guy says, well, smooth as these things go, right, because that's, because just by the very nature, you start sticking a bunch of people and helicopters with guns, and, you know, shit's going to happen, all right. But the fact that

there were no casualties that no one was killed. No American was killed. This incredible. Yeah,

it is incredible. It's pretty groundbreaking. Like, this is like a new benchmark for what could be possible in terms of an invasion, at least of a third world country. It's just shocking the difference in the technology that the United States possessed versus them. Well, and whether or not they were even available, that's, that no new brother that that stuff was available. Yeah, war is going to change very, very quickly. With drones, AI and drones are going to alter the landscape

of war. We're getting real close to some terminators, shit. Yeah. And I'm not saying that, like, it's a good thing. No. It's, it's, it's a, it's a very, very, you talk about adolescence of, of us as a species. We're seeing an adolescence in the teenage years of new, a new type of warfare. And, and when it grows up, it is going to be a beast, a beast. And, and I just think about it. You can, you know, now they've got drones that are the size of airplanes that can have a payload

that is devastating, right, beyond just simply a predator drone that's got a couple health our missiles or whatever it may have. And someone's sitting in a connox in the desert in Nevada can fly that thing halfway around the world, or don't have anyone fly it pre-program it and the thing flies itself. And that's, you give, give the drone a mission and send the drone off to do the mission. And it's fully automated. Yeah. And that's some terrifying shit. I've been a lot, that's a lot

of what this UAP shit is, too. I bet it's experimenting with type of technology with some sort of a novel propulsion system. Because they were working on novel propulsion systems way back in the 50s and the 60s. They were working on anti-gravity in the 60s. I don't think we're there. I don't know. I don't think we're there. I don't know. I don't know where we're at. I don't know where we're at, but I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced that they haven't

done something. In fact, the Eric Weinstein makes them really interesting connections between

overqualified physics department. And it's connected to a hedge fund that does bigger than Bernie made off type numbers. And he's like, the whole thing stinks to high heaven. And he goes, and I have a feeling that there's some sort of an undisclosed or a top secret above, you know, top secret access program that's going on. Oh, I can promise you. There's something.

Yeah. I've always thought a possible solution to petroleum, as far as transportation goes.

And I've wondered why they've never tried it, is using magnetic force. Right? If you have you take a positive and negative charge, you're going to come together. If you take a positive and negative negative, they're going to, I'm not a fucking scientist, but you know, it's going to repel, right? We take in magnets and they push each other away. Well, how can, how can we not use that? If you had a vehicle and the base of it is essentially a positive charge or a negative, whatever it

takes to make the magnets repel. And then your road base was essentially the similarly charged metal

“wouldn't that, wouldn't that make it some inch? Wouldn't you have to redo all the roads to make”

something like that or put it in the road? Yeah, maybe. I mean, it certainly could be a potential source of transportation for the future. But I think the things that they're doing now probably relates to some sort of anti-gravity propulsion system. And then there was that, you know, I'm sure you're aware of this. Although scientists that went missing or won't have been murdered. Oh, yeah, I think. How fucking sketchy is that? Oh, it's for incidents. From Los Alamos. Oh,

there are the nuclear. Yeah. Coincidence. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, who knows what the fuck this people are working on and whether or not they made breakthroughs and they don't want other people to

know or whether or not they want to stop the breakthrough because they're aligned with whatever

the conventional propulsion systems are and they don't want to lose money. This thing makes them obsolete. Like, set back the science for a few years. Or is it tradecraft? Is it is it Russian or Chinese or yeah, could be that great. Yeah. Oh, sure. And that's the other thing that once I was saying it's like, it's really shocking how little these incredibly important scientists are protected. Yeah. Data is fucking driving their Volvo to the university and working on top secret shit.

Yeah. And no one's making sure they don't get whack by China. Yeah. I'd be curious. And when they look into that, what was it? 11 of them in a year? 15 over a course of a few years and some of them people are not going out. This could be coincidence. But there's a few of them. Or it's like, okay, these people like this lady was specifically working on spacecraft, metallurgy. This guy was specifically working on cold fusion. This guy was specifically like,

there's a bunch of them where you go. Okay. Some's weird. Some's weird here. Yeah. We're enough to the fact that the government's looking into it. Okay. There might be something here. So justice departments are bestigating it. They're trying to figure out what the connection is and what could have happened. But it's hard after the fact to try to figure out who did something, especially if somebody got hired from another country. Like, they're not going to tell you,

“like, are you going to know, you didn't catch them? Did you not catch them when they killed the guy?”

Okay. Well, you're probably fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's 15. And they're all from that area. Aren't they Los Angeles around? I don't know. I'm not sure. I think that's part of the problem. It's like there's whenever you have a thing like this where people start looking for connections, they can make some connections that aren't necessarily valid. And so let's say if there's 15, let's say 10 of them, 10 of them will bullshit. Yeah. That means

five aren't bullshit. If, you know, that's true. That's a lot. It's five super fucking brilliant people that got whacked. Yeah. And it's interesting that you'd have that many in this specific field in this period of time. Yeah. And they're not, you know, I would think of a science. This is being pretty fucking healthy. Right. And I don't know about that. I think a lot of them are just in their own head, you know, and they're probably not even paying attention to their body. Did they all

disappear? Different people died from different things. And one of one of the weirder ones was

“this one lady who was, I think she's the metallurgy lady where she was hiking with her friend.”

And they were just hiking together and the friend turned around to talk door and she was gone. And she was just behind her 30 seconds before they couldn't find it. They brought in cadaver dogs,

they brought in search parties, never found her. And they think they might have found her body

recently. See, they, I think there was a report a few days ago that they might have found her body.

script. So me and Joe went for a hike. I turned around that fuckers guy. Hey, I don't know why

I looked everywhere. I mean, I swear, I had just talked to him 30 seconds ago. And he's just not there. No sign of struggle. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah, like a husband and wife go hiking and the lady falls off the cliff. They're like, hey, buddy. Yeah. What the fuck happened? You guys are again.

“Can I see your text messages? Yeah. Yeah. Or the one that just fell off the boat?”

Oh, what happened there? I, I, I, I, I kind of want to say it wrong, but I think she, I think it was out in the Bahamas. I read about it. She was a cruise ship one? No, no, no. It was him and his lady and they're out on a sailboat or something. Oh, she looked at things outside. Yeah, he had to, yeah, something, something weird. Well, they're not buying it. It goes all the way back to the Natalie Wood store. You ever look into that one? Oh, yeah, that's right. Her and walk in and

Robert Wagner on the way. Yeah. And Robert Wagner and her had a big fight apparently. And then she just flips. Yeah. Not the same person as the metallurgy. Oh, which one is this lady? But she was one of the scientists, correct? I believe she was one of the missing scientists. She was definitely missing for a year. Which one was she? I mean, I don't know. What did I don't know, which one is her? What was her specialty? Does it say what she worked on? No, no.

Administrative assistant. Yeah, I remember this lady. Yeah. Yeah, they're one of his, uh, our name is Resa. And the Resa won that lady. She was the one that has the, uh, so she serves as director of NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory and she was in the materials process ago. She specialized in burn resistant high-strength metal alloys and rocker propulsion

“metals. It wasn't she one that had like some weird videos? Was she had made?”

Anyway, the whole thing's creepy as fuck. Well, she was hiking in the angeles. National force. Yeah. Outside of Pasadena. Yeah, that could actually be a fucking mountain one. It could be, you know, or it could be a lady who's working on top secret rocket propulsion, pocket metals. And like this lady's a problem. Was there some, some town? I want to say it's Arcadia in California. The, the, the mayor of that city. Yeah. Arcadia. Yeah. She's a Chinese spy.

I would have to think if you're, if you've, how many people have you recruited that you finally

go, well, fuck, let's try and get the mayor of Arcadia. We got everybody else. Yeah, they probably like worked her into position to run as mayor, you know? I mean, and then, and then with the hopes of, she was relatively young, right? Maybe we'll run for a state wrap and then the congress and be the fucking president. There was, uh, there was a thing in the 70s called Abscam. Do you remember this? Yeah. Where there were all of these politicians, a few congressmen, some state wraps,

and they were all, like, Russian spies, or, or at least on the take, right? Right? Soviet. Soviet spies. Did you ever see that show the Americans? Uh-huh. I didn't either. But I heard it was great. It's all about sleep or cell, Russian family that was pretending to be normal. Yeah. That's fascinating. Yeah. That's real. They did that. They really had Russian agents pretending to be American citizens. Oh, I wouldn't say had. I would say have. Oh, yeah. No.

“Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. And Chinese. Yeah. For sure. For sure. 100%.”

Yeah. No plenty of them. 100%. Yeah. Well, how many Israeli agents are in Hezbollah or in Hamas? Like, probably. Or in the IRGC? Yeah. Probably. They probably got a bunch of those guys in that. 100%. Yeah. It's just wild. It's tradecraft, man. That's fucking whole other thing. How hard is it to write about that stuff? And, like, get it right. To get it accurate. Yeah. I mean, you, you. I don't know. You, you speculate a lot and you look at the past, right?

Because there's been enough. It's funny because when they get caught,

they're never, it's never that big of deal. Like, they're always some. It doesn't, for whatever reason,

then the news doesn't. There's a, we could pull it up. There's been any number of Chinese scientists over here and they were stealing this. And they're like, oh, yeah. And this happens all the time. See, the ones that got caught trying to bring in bio, they were trying to bring in, well, they're trying to bring in diseases or something. Something was looking, there's another

like an apartment or something. CCP linked bio labs in American soil exposes major bio

security gaps, policymakers, mucks act to improve oversight and biological research activity. Wasn't there a guy that got busted that was an Israeli agent? And he got released and he took

“out when I think was in Vegas. Yeah. That's the one in Vegas. Yeah. So this guy, he had all these”

fucking diseases in his garage. 1200 samples. Uh, conclusion the, it's conclusion of the FBI lab that the community could not be harmed by what was contained in that lab. What? Finding possible biological laboratory in a garage inside investigators found refrigerators with vials containing unknown liquids. Police said in the immediate aftermath, the home is also operated as an unlicing short-term rental. What was this fucking guy doing? Why, so the question is, why

does someone have these materials in a private residence, not a doctor, not a lab, not a licensed medical facility of any sort, and then homeboy got released? Yeah, but check out the names on some of the bios. Oh boy, they located pathogen labeled containers with labels such as Dengay fever, HIV, and malaria, along with a thousand mice, or according to a federal report,

federal government never tested the items, and the CDC only made a determination based on the

labeling. What? What the fuck? So in that case, Chinese citizen David, he faces federal charges for allegedly manufacturing and distributing misbranded medical devices. He does not face charges, he does not face charges connected to the Las Vegas raid, and a trial in California was scheduled for April. What the fuck? Just a bunch of vials of HIV and AIDS and fucking Dengay fever and malaria, no worries. Jesus. Normal. So what was the Israeli guy? The guy who owned the lab, there was a

like an Israeli guy who they caught, and then they released them, and he went back to Israel,

“and everybody's like, "Hey!" What? That's the same case, I think. It says a feds drop case against”

man arrested in Las Vegas by a lab investigation. What's his name?

Ori Solomon. Oh, Ori. What were you doing? Ori. Ori. Why do you have the HIV? Ori. There he is. Feds drop case against man arrested in Las Vegas by a lab investigation. Yeah, I mean, why investigate? Let it go, guys. No big deal. He's only charged with illegal possession of a firearm in Nevada. His immigration status precluded him from owning or possessing a gun. Well, listen, if he doesn't have a gun, how the fuck is he going to defend all those malaria? People try to steal

malaria, bro. Go to be careful. Oh boy. Yeah, this doesn't. This too much fucking shit in the world to pay attention to, and too much of it is so disheartening. The more you look into it, you're more like, is it all fucked? Is the whole world fucked? Like, what is going on? And my guess is because there are so many different two things, right? There's so many different things. There's no secrets with the internet and social media and phones. It's getting out. But it's also getting

out at such a volume that none of it seems to have an impact. Right. Right. Right. Right. So much right. Think about that in the 1990s. Right. They're talking about that on nightline in this and that and meet the press and try to you spy. It's really got you know? Uh-huh. That's news. But now it's just another. The news cycles of flood. It's like you you you drop a rose pedal in the river while floods going by like it's gone. Yeah. It's here it's gone and it's a

sensory overload and mm-hmm and and people are tuning it all out. They're tuning it all out also because nothing ever gets done. Nothing happens. And the more people like that get released, the more people like, uh, they throw their hands in there. They'd rather just watch sports. Yeah. Yeah. Just forget about it. Yeah. Well, I can't believe she's sure it didn't send you my book. Yeah. Well, I don't know what happened. But I'll listen to it on audio tape.

“I'm glad you did the audio tape though. Yeah. That's important. Yeah. Pull up the you're”

gonna fucking love it. It's it's oddly entertaining and informative. How did you have the time to write a book? So what? You're writing 150 different TV shows. So so you know what it

I don't want to tell you what it's called. I just want you to see the title. How to not die in

“prison? So here's the deal. Um, so what I lived in L. I, there was a gym on Beverly Boulevard.”

Write it like Beverly and sweets or everybody called it buns on Beverly because they had all the the the treadmills kind of right up there and all the girls are there and if you get stuck in traffic or staring at all their asses, that was my gym. So me and a buddy of mine share an apartment together and we jogged on their workout every day and there was this dude that showed up and started working out in there and this dude was jacked. But different than like the West Hollywood

fit like this fucker was yoked and had all these crazy tattoos on him and we became kind of like friendly and ended up kind of becoming friends and his name's Tom Nelson and one day I'm okay so what are you been doing? Because well you know I'm just a personal trim and a start person

“training here I was working over at the vitamin shop guys like in his 40s or vitamin shop in”

your 40s that's kind of weird. I said yeah um have you always lived in California? Is that

well I've been here of 19 years, 20 years yeah yeah I said worried from somewhere in the southeast. I said you always live in LA goes well no I just got tell I see I've been in prison. I said out how long? 17 years. I said out and I didn't ask anything else right. He does become a personal trainer and I'd see him over one day we have lunch and we're bullshitting and I'm like what tell me the deal. He's like oh I was a fucking criminal dude like a criminal like a real criminal like

biggest drug dealer and in Hollywood and armed robbery and ran over a DE agent like I was a fucking criminal but now I you know when I was in I discovered you know fitness I started working out and I'm like when I get out I'm you know you got himself in good shape I'm gonna start this is my passion I'm gonna do this. So he was a trainer there for a while and then he opened his own personal

“training gym and and I would go work out over there and hang out I think he was a cool fucking dude”

and and it became the biggest private training gym in independent in Hollywood. So I go off and I you know I start writing and I'm shooting y'all stone and he reaches out and he was hey I wrote a movie about my life a vicinity so he sends it to me and I read it and it's actually pretty good but it's sort of a fun 90s kind of they don't make movies like this anymore it's like it's the rock but we're celebrating the you know the guy for the fucking criminal but it was

but it was good I said hey I'll pass it on to some producers but nothing ever happened with it anyway so COVID happens I'm stuck up on this ranch in Montana and I call it when I say Tom where do you get your gym equipment from because I need to build a gym because we can't go to a gym I can't leave the ranch COVID restrictions the whole fucking cast is stuck on that ranch and and he said they shut my gym down dude so I mean I'll sell you anything you want

so I sent a flat bed trailer to L.A. and picked up a pile of jibb equipment from it and didn't hear from him again he calls me maybe 18 months ago two years and I and I answered and he's like hey man I'm in a bad way I'm like what's the deal he goes fucking a single father I got a five-year-old kid I got fucking colon cancer I'm fucking dying and I don't I'm I'm tapped out dude I'm a fucking 60-year-old felon I can't get a job I can't do

anything is there any work on your movies or or anything that I could do and I said well first

colon cancer how bad like what stage what's this because I don't know they saw it on an x-ray and diagnosed me and I said well let's deal with that shit first so I climbed to Texas where I know people and I get him in and he sees a doctor and fortunately the mass wasn't cancer so they they help him out do the surgery get that done and then I say well I mean I get you a job in a movie but it doesn't pay very good the hours are shit and you've got a five-year-old daughter

I mean you know to just be a production assistant or something is not gonna pay enough to off it's it's not a great that's not a plan all right because you think you could like just spot me for a few months while I tried to figure shit out and I said I have a hundred percent failure rate of loaning money to friends it doesn't work right I'm not a bank and buying you 90 days ain't go fucking out so but let me think let me think of something and so it doesn't take me

never read I've never read a how to not fucking die a travel guide to prison so I call him back

“and I go I got it Tom we're gonna write a book about my life kinder we're gonna write a travel guide”

to prison for the accidental inmate right somebody fucks up and they end up and they don't know how to navigate this place he goes a travel guide I said I'm gonna send you so I bought a bunch of lonely planted travel guide to Thailand and Mexico and and I said look at these right it breaks it down it tells you an overview of the country then it gives you a glossary of the terms they teach you the language they talk about the food they talk about the where you stay they talk about navigating

the country we're gonna do that for for for prison and he goes I'm in I said great I'm gonna write all the intros I'll build the structure and and walk you through it and you're gonna so it's literally a travel guide to prison and it walks you through day one how to navigate the yard being processed

“in the food the commissary the gangs the diseases prison riots how to get a job in there how to”

fucking make a shift how to everything it's a bit as a tour guide to prison how many pages

a couple hundred sounds awesome it's the crowd they never needed no well I must be

I'm gonna guess ninety nine percent of the people who do read it the one thing it'll do is tell you you don't ever want to fucking go there that's for sure right and typically if someone's going there I even say in the intro I'm like if you're if you're buying this book because you're going to prison finish the book before you get to prison do not bring this book with you to prison or you'll die on fucking day one so leave the book at home but yeah so so then we did I took the

we we wrote three chapters of it I took it out and Simon Schuster read it flipped and me and Tom got a book deal so it's awesome so he you know he he was able to sit with me and we wrote it and he was able to take care of his kid and that's very cool yeah good for you man for doing that that's really awesome that you did that yeah I know you're busy shit like you having another project on your plate not not fun probably that's awesome that one was a lot of fun right but not fun to take

something else on I'm sure yeah but it was it was it was it was a very entertaining diversion from you know from my other you know I can pitch about my other job right pitch about something on landman or whatever and then you know I'm gonna sit down and oh we're writing about smallpox today okay there's there's some perspective it's not it's not quite so bad that Billy Bob is an hour

late to work which he's never an hour late to work but but you get my point yeah yeah it's a sobering thing

it's it's it's a that's a broken system you won't talk about a broken fucking system yeah the prison system is Alabama solution on you know the guy who did that documentary on Alabama prison system it's fucking heartbreaking man heartbreaking he used to be roommates with the guy that edited all of those locked up he would go and film those locked up remember those yeah go to fall some in the corker and all these prisons just dude it's a tough rough and and not designed to

rehabilitate all right it's an institution that guarantees your criminal when you come out that's what you'll be if you weren't a criminal when you went in which you clearly committed a crime and got convicted but you're gonna be a fucking criminal when you come out like the people of the guys like Tom who mean there's an 80 something percent recidivism right in the US so for a guy to get out of prison and not go back to prison the odds are fucking four to one against you like it's

“dead least yeah it's probably harder than that right I think it's 80 something 80 something”

percent 86 yeah fuck yeah it's brutal it's brutal well I'm glad you wrote it I promise listen listen to it I listen to it in the sauna there you go thanks for everything man thanks for all the awesome shows been great watching them dude thank you for watching yeah the man appreciate that time to talk about one more thing sure that UFC 250 oh man yeah just engage you dude yeah I just had them on yeah I know I know incredible I saw him remember when I bumped into you at that fight in Vegas

that's the first time I'd seen him live and I got a bunch of price fights I love boxing and I'm watching that guy if he had decided to be a professional boxer he would his striking is is that level like

started out as an all-american wrestler and division one it's like very he's just a great athlete

“all across the board and just his particular style of aggression is so well suited for MMA oh yeah”

it's just shocking that he's that good a striker and he was a wrestler I know he's he's just a wild motherfucker or across the board but for him to pull that off the way he did at the White House was nuts I mean he's some books out of a six to one underdog and Elliot to pour it is so fucking good yeah so good and he had him in sick trouble in that second round but I watched it again yesterday

second round was brutal I mean Ilya was just destroying his liver yeah I'll always put him down

yeah but even in the second round Justin's he's still bloody Ilya up his face was busted up like he was getting the most damaged Ilya's face and that was the a giant factor in the fight because

“I don't know what the accuracy of these reports are but what's being reported is that he had”

two broken orbital bones and a broken nose so both his eyes were broken and his nose was broken and Justin was here a couple days later and looked great it's just nuts it's just like he's very deceptively good at rolling with shots and you know he's fucking durable as hell and just very clever very clever and how he sets things up and where he finds openings and one of the things he kept getting off his his he doesn't like he doesn't collar tying into an upper cut and he got

that off multiple shots he did that with physive too he's really good with that move he's a beast man I'm I'm just so happy for him to win I'm you know I'm a giant Ilya deporia fan as well and I think he'll be back at better than ever and I think sometimes a loss is like one of the most

“important things of fighter can ever have because they realize like you can be beat and you need to”

know that you're a human you need to know that you can't just throw caution to the wind sometimes they just engage in these wild scraps sometimes you have to be a little bit more tactical and sometimes you got to realize like you can't take everybody out and and that's the case with Justin

like couldn't take him out and he almost did in the second round down real fucking close real close

but you know that that freaking Justin he he can time that transfer a power to right at the end of the punch and just his hands are so heavy yeah everybody says that too everybody who he's fought and said he's one of the hardest guys that that's ever hit them including could be who's you know one of the only time great said Justin hit him harder than anybody yeah you see some animal yeah it was impressive and the fight was like to be there at the White House while

that was going on and to have Justin so happy like there's something about a guy winning who's an underdog that is just so fucking inspiring he didn't look like an underdog that night no he did not after the second round he didn't especially the third once the third roll around he dropped him then he he got ahead and arm and snatched him down to the ground like holy shit man he's he's fucking dominating him this is crazy yeah it was wild wildwatch it was wild it was awesome

no it was fantastic should've been there live man that would've been a good one oh it was crazy it was crazy to be there live it's just felt surreal I mean they had a fly over they all said that they were like separated by that far from each other I don't know how the fuck those

guys do that it was incredible incredible yeah it was awesome thanks brother once again the

book is called how to not die in prison and available now audiobook everything yeah thank you (upbeat music)