#2519 - Scott Eastwood

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He started the company, I'm involved, I'm getting, you know, heavily involved in the ownership of it, and I'm excited about it. It's a one, you take it a day, like one satchel. It's got all the shit, you know? >> Oh, so it's like a pre-pack?

>> It's a pre-pack. >> Ooh, I like pre-packs. >> Yeah, one and die. >> I don't like to think exactly. >> Do you mean pre-pack?

>> Yeah, I like the, I take up viewers now. I take pure encapsulations. They have those little men's ultra-packs, whatever it's called. >> Yep, I take those every day, with a bunch of other shit. >> Yep.

>> I'll try your stuff though, okay, check it out. >> So what's so special about these vitamins? >> You know, it's just, it's more for the person who's, like, wants to excel in training. So it's got all the amino acids, your creatines,

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“So, how long have you been involved in the whole supplement thing?”

>> No, you've always taken them.

>> It's all in powder. >> Yep. >> Well, try dry scooping that. You're gonna choke death. >> That's a lot of powder.

>> A lot of powder. >> I believe, okay, now, at least I'm more convinced, because there's a lot of volume here. >> Yeah. >> Obviously, there's a lot of stuff.

>> Look, every vitamin that I take every day and you busted them up and put them into a powder form, it would be like this. >> Exactly. >> So, it's 70 plus vitamins in there. And that's the biggest thing, right?

Ethicacy and quantity, you need the right amount. >> So, do you just mix this with water, is that how you do it? >> Yep. >> Mix it with a big water, and then you just don't have to think about it, because I was doing so many a day as you probably are.

>> Yeah, it's like, oh, did. >> Yeah, ran out of that one. Oh, I'm gonna wear that one. >> So, you're involved in this company.

Did you guys ever send the stuff out for third party testing?

Do you ever do that? >> It's totally third party tested. >> So, my very wealthy buddy started it. He did it, essentially, for himself. He was like, I want the best of the best.

He's like 55, but he's an adventure athlete. And he's like, I want the best of the best. >> I don't care what it costs. And he's like, I think I can make a business out of this. So, that's for you, dude.

>> Okay, so for people at home, what's the name of the company again? >> North performance. >> North performance, and there's our website that you can go to. >> Yeah, we're just launching it. It's gonna be on subscription-based, come to your house every month.

>> Oh, I just think about it. >> Oh, I like not thinking. >> Yep. >> You got me, got me hooked already, son. All the things, volume.

So, I'm believing in it. >> Yep. >> You know, when I know if you're very reputable and ethical guy, and if you're involved in something, it's gonna be legit anyway. So, that's cool to know.

How long have you been taking supplements? Have you been a vitamin guy forever? >> Yeah, you know, I cycle in and out like anything. >> Do you? My non-negotiables, typically, are fish oil, vitamin D. I take, you know, MNN or NAD, and then glutathione.

My dad was always a massive glutathione guy.

>> Yeah, there's a lot of real health benefits to glutathione. I think especially like a somal glutathione, which I think more available. >> Okay. >> A bio-absorbable. >> Yeah, that's awesome, dude.

Good for you, I think, and don't listen to your doctor. If you have a doctor like I had, my doctor said, oh, your need is a balanced diet. Most of those vitamins are just gonna pee out. And I looked at him like, dude, you look like shit.

I didn't say it, but I'm trying to be nice. >> You said a pop belly, like this is crazy. You have zero muscle, and you're telling me about balanced diets. Like this has been nanostood. And now that I've looked back on it,

he was probably how old I am now, and he looked like shit. >> There's a lot of doctors that don't understand

“that if you want to optimize your health,”

it's not about what the 100% of the, you know, USDA or whatever it is, the requirements,

And you could find it, it's just complicated.

You got to go online, and you got to go, what's the optimum dose of vitamin D? Are there dangers of going above? Are there benefits of having a high level of vitamin D? >> Sure.

>> If you really want to do it right, you should work with a wellness clinic, and have someone go over your blood, or fortunately, we have ways to well-entend, so I do it with them.

>> Yep. >> They go over your blood, where they'll actually make you a vitamin, that's designed specifically for what your body needs. They'll encapsulate it all and pill form,

tell you how many to take a day, and they'll send you like a bag of vitamins. >> It's amazing. >> Yeah, I've been actually, I've been actually thinking about doing that test, because there's certain doctors

that'll tell you your blood type will dictate

“what you should be eating, and I've never really got that done,”

or no, and I know certain people just are like,

this is like a game changer.

>> I wonder how much of that is voodoo, it might be, you know, voodoo. >> It kind of makes sense, though, if your ancestors came from a specific part of the world, you know what I mean?

>> Yeah. >> Like, we know that's the case with alcohol. Like people whose ancestors came from a society, yeah. Well, societies that didn't normally drink alcohol, like particularly Native Americans at a really hard time

with it, because they just weren't built to metabolize alcohol, they didn't have it as a part of their world. And I guess if you're in a part of the world where ancestors are to eat mostly meat,

I bet your diet should probably be mostly meat. I bet it fits right in there, and it's come from a place where they ate a lot of specific kinds of grains. Like, I would wonder, like, how much of that stuff is real, like blood type versus what food you should eat,

because everybody's, whatever it needs, proteins, amino acids, vitamins, you know, and all that stuff you get from fruits and vegetables and meat and food and fish and eggs. >> I mean, if you're looking at the blue zone, right? >> Yeah.

>> They essentially have a variety of a Mediterranean diet, and it's a kind of a variety of things. They don't just eat red meat, but they eat a lot of fish, but they do eat red meat, and they do drink wine, and they sort of have this diet that is kind of a bunch

of everything, and, you know, there's a bunch of other factors, as well, you know, purpose, physical activity, physical activity, community. >> I think a big one with all these blue zone people, is they're just eating real food, that's the real problem.

What people need to truly get into their head is the majority of the American diet as delicious as it tastes, is like garbage. >> It's bad for you. >> Yeah.

>> It's actually bad for you. >> It's not good for you. Real food is good for you. If you go, and you have a grilled chicken and some avocado, and a nice salad, and the glass of sparkling water,

that's actually really good for you. Versus, if you go and have a fucking jack in the box, double cheeseburger with bacon, and whatever sauce, and eat the fries, like that's poison. >> It's delicious poison.

>> Now I will say, I just got back from Europe, my body there feels so much better, and I eat pretty healthy. >> Okay, I healthy here, and I eat pretty healthy there. >> Yeah, everybody has the same story. >> So what's going on?

>> It's our food, our food's bad. There's a guy who broke it down.

“Remember that dude with cowboy hat, Jamie?”

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>> Remember that cat? >> He's really good at breaking down nutrition facts.

“He broke down what the gluten is, what life is safe, right?”

>> Right, bro. >> There's a bunch of the compounds, a bunch of preservatives. All that stuff is, again, bad for you. And all these people that live in Italy and live in these Mediterranean diaplaces, what are they eating?

>> But it's not just, it's not just that. It's like the way the dairy's process, right? So, you know, and I actually went to a cheese factory and Italy a couple of times ago in Europe. And I asked, I said, why can my stomach tolerate this

and not in America?

They're like, well, first off, the process of making

this cheese is like four to six hours in the morning, every day, and it gets the lactose out. Whereas, we just slap it in and send it out. >> You know, and it's not, it's also raw cheese. You know, I bought a house from this guy who's from France.

Really cool guy, who's a doctor, very interesting dude. I got to know him, got to come present with him. And he's, he would smuggle cheese back from France, because it was literally illegal to have that cheese. This is California 2003.

>> Oh, really? >> Legal to bring that cheese into America, because it was raw. It hadn't been all the biology and it hadn't been killed. >> Okay. >> So, like, when we're drinking raw milk, what you're getting is all the enzymes, you're getting it,

and people could say, oh, are you a baby cow?

“You should be like, it's really good nutrition.”

Raw milk is good nutrition. There's calcium and protein and fats, milk fat. It's good for you. It tastes good when you drink. If you're drinking a glass of homogenized pasteurized milk,

your body's like, what is this? Like, this is milk that can just sit on the shelf for months. That's crazy. If you get raw milk, I get it on a Saturday. By Wednesday or Thursday, it gets a little sketch.

>> Oh yeah. >> It starts thinking, that's the cat. So this dude, listen to the listen to the guy says. So he's talking to this guy, and this guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in Europe.

>> I know, America, I need it. That's because in America, what we call bread, can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done at the grain.

About 200 years ago, we started stripping the brain in germ or the fiber in nutrients to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead, because the nutrients were gone,

“we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority”

of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough. So they bleached it with chlorine gas,

but it didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which has been in several countries like Europe, UK, and even China. Then we wanted a ramp up production. So we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat

before harvest, causing any crunch disruption and damaging your gut. So now your bloated brain fog tired and blamed gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered,

bleached, bromated, fake vitamin filled wheat, soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is. >> Shout out to this guy's name is Denny Dore.

>> Denny D. And why underscore D-U-R-E on Instagram? >> Let's go. >> Fuck with the audio there, 'cause that song will. >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> So what I got for that?

>> I have seen this actually, and it's just essentially pure greed. >> Yeah. >> Keep bread shelf-stable for longer. >> Well, it's their business model, right? So their business is set up on shelf-stable stuff,

that in the problem is it was green lit, right?

So the problem is, whatever year they started doing that, they built their entire business on doing it that way. So this was the argument when RFHK Jr came in and said,

“you have to stop using these dyes for children's cereals.”

>> Yeah. >> And they were saying-- >> They were saying, this is gonna ruin our business. And he was like, you already make the same kind that we're asking you to make for Canada,

because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes. The same cereal, they make in the United States. And it looks not it's good, 'cause it doesn't have the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes. Give you fucking cancer.

But the reality is, it's just their business model. They're set up to do it a certain way, and to change would be very expensive. So what do they do? They fucking hire lobbyists.

They hire lobbyists, they get their guys into the FDA, they get their guys into this organization, and that organization, and they make sure that they're protected, and then we keep eating dog shit, and we keep getting poisoned, and you're gonna Italy,

and you have a spaghetti, and you feel great. You don't feel like you get shot with the tranquilizer dart.

It's kind of amazing, and there's dirt in your neck, man.

We've talked about it so many times, you go over there, and you're like, "Why am I living the way I live?" These people are just hanging out, having a good time, having a cigarette laughing, that shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about.

I don't understand, it's like that gets lumped into that. It's like, "No, that's for the betterment of society." Yeah, what? Like, "Why is that a thing?" And we live in a weird world, man.

A world that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it, it gets connected to political ideologies. So it used to be that the people on the left were really concerned about healthy food. Like, when I was a kid, we used to go to the health food store.

My parents were hippies, and they would buy like whole wheat bread, and they would try to buy like organic food.

avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods.

“And because it's all these movements are connected”

with Trump and RFK Jr, there's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody, because somehow, another, they have this connected to some right-wing anti-science position. Like, you guys are getting brainwashed.

We should all be eating organic food. That should be the only food. We're not doing that, okay? And it's one of the reasons why we're some of the sickest, fattest fucking people on Earth,

while also being the most wealthy country. Yeah, a group think is like a crazy thing. It's like, it's really sad because people aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping on to something they've been told,

or is in their echo chamber or whatever. You know what I mean? I like to think, no matter what issue it is, I'm like, okay, well, let's evaluate that. Let's kind of look at both sides. Maybe there's like-- and maybe there's some in-between.

Let's both things can be true. Yes, for sure, and that's a problem. If you-- if there's something that's accurate, that the other side is saying, and you're rejecting that, because it doesn't align with your political ideology,

that's bad for everybody. Like, I think the group think that we have to all really align with is the group think of being open-minded. Being-- like, actually open-minded and willing to accept different ideas and also recognize that you are not your ideas.

Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them. You are you, and if you really want to have a stable you, you want to be proud of what you are,

“you should be completely detached to ideas.”

You should know which ones are accurate and which ones aren't based on information, based on the reality of whatever-- whatever we're talking about, whatever subject matter is.

But the reality is, like, you can't be married to your ideas,

because they'll fuck you, they'll fuck you over every time. It's like, it's not going to work. You have to be flexible, and you have to be willing to say, even though I hate this guy, he's right about that. It's very important.

It's okay to be wrong. Yeah, even though I think this guy's a piece of shit. It was wrong when he said, he lies about a lot of things. But that thing that he's saying is actually true. Well, here's an even to go even a little more

maybe an unpopular or some people don't talk about is, they divide, in my opinion, to control. If you don't have division, that's when the pitch forks come out. If you don't have the illusion of choice and a team, that's when you're like, well, fuck that.

They're taking your money. They're paying all these taxes or doing this things.

“And we actually don't have a choice, but maybe that's the reason”

that there's these teams, red and blue. And it's actually just one higher group that are actually making decisions. The big money. Yeah, well, for sure. They benefit from people being out each other's throws.

They benefit from culture war stuff. They benefit from people arguing over whatever it is. Pride, mon, or whatever it is. Black lives matter. They benefit real people up.

And then people are thinking about this. And this instead of, hey, like, this is actually going on. Yeah, I'm talking about that. Yeah, I mean, look, every time there's, I mean, when Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky,

they started bombing, like right afterwards, that's the real power. That's what they do. It's a good move. It's a good move. It's a good treat.

Yeah. Because otherwise, that shit's going to stay in the new cycle until something big happens. So you got to make something big happen. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a, we're, we're involved in a game. And we don't think it's a game. We think that what we're doing is trying to make the world a better place. And vote for people that have similar values. Doesn't the game, they're playing.

The game they're playing is, let's pretend that we care. Yeah, let's pretend that we want to fix the homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have health care. Let's pretend. But meanwhile, they're a good percentage of them or demons.

They're just sociopaths completely devoid of any feelings of what the consequences of their action are going to have on people's livelihoods, losing their homes, losing their businesses. They don't give a fuck. They care about their own career.

And they want to keep on trucking until they become the king of the country. And that's what they're trying to do. And that's a giant pile of these fucking demons. There's a lot of them out there that think like that. And there's, there's real good people that get involved in politics as well.

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My buddy gave me a lift here today on his plane and he's a very wealthy successful guy. But he was getting riled up about some trans thing and an issue and I was like, why do you think you get riled up about it?

“I was like, do you think that maybe that's just a cause for division?”

And you know, like, if you get upset about a sound out of someone's mouth, when you think about it, it's kind of like from a 30,000 foot level. It's like you're getting riled up about an idea about a sound that's coming out of someone's mouth. Right. But you're letting that affect you.

Right. And it's not affecting your real life. But you're choosing to focus on that. And it is an issue. But is it an issue that's of paramount importance in your life when you're on your own private

jet flying somebody else? I was, I couldn't think about like, I was thinking about, I was like, you're this special billionaire and you're upset about that. And I go, you're wasting your time thinking about that instead of a million other things we could talk about or think about.

Yeah, it was interesting.

Well, it's, it's always been a tool.

As much as we like to say, no, these are real issues that we face. We really have a real cultural issue that we have to, I get it. That's true.

“But however, you have to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators,”

to find and conquer art of war. I mean, it's the, from the beginning. Yeah. And it's important. And it's one of the beautiful things about our country is that we have to two parties so it's so easy to do because it's just good guys and bad guys.

There's no good guys bad guys in between. Pretty reasonable guys that are pragmatic. We know how to kill folks. I like them. Let's go to the, let's go to the, let's go to the discipline side.

But no, it's like you, you can only be on the right or on the left. And if you're on the right, you get lumped into these crazy people that, you know, have these big Jesus rallies and they talk in tongues and you get lumped in with white nationalists, you get lumped in with Christian nationalists. I think that the 10 Commandments should be in every school and no one should be able to

practice any other religion as a Christian Christian country. There's people that really believe pushing that. That you get lumped in with them too when you just like, hey, I think the second amendment's important. You know, like, oh, you must be a far right wing conspiracy theorist. Like, oh, come on.

Like, you can't always count on the cops.

“You know, you should be able to protect yourself because bad people have guns.”

It's that simple doesn't mean you're going to use them all the time. Like, this is crazy. You could kill people with a variety of different methods. You know, you don't, you don't need to lump everything into right and left, but people do. They do because they're being told to.

You know, if you're on the left, you have to accept, you know, trans women or women. And you have to, there's a whole bunch of, like, they're kind of moving away from that now. In a big way, they're moving away from the competitive thing. Like, with trans women competing in school athletics. And because it's like, after a certain amount of fucking championships,

you know, you just gotta go, hey, come on, guys. That's a guy. That's a guy. Like, by the wind. Be sweet.

Those people always exist, but also you're letting them into the women's room.

And now you get a pervert to just say their trans. And then go into women's room too. Like, you didn't think about this. Yeah. The fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the most hated.

And the most, like, looked out, like, make sure that they don't come near you. Psychopathic perverts, like, psychopathic perverts that pray on men. Guys that want to go in women's bathrooms. Guys that want to, like, grab women after bars. Those guys have always been terrifying.

Yeah. And we just gave them a Willy Wonka Golden Ticket. Just wear a dress. Like, imagine you're a fucking old school pervert in your 80 years old. You're like, fuck, I missed the boat.

Yeah, you've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of creepy shit. Pretending you're a woman. I think we should just be able to hunt them. Like, for real. I would lose zero sleep.

Real perverts? Yeah. Like, the thing is like, kid, child molesters. Yes, like, on a personal problem. Just let's go hunt them.

Well, they're broken. And I don't know how you could ever think you're going to fix them. And then there's this weird trend where in some academic circles, they're trying to label them as minor attracted persons, which is just this thing of just empathy falling into chaos.

Like, what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs?

“They're willing to ignore it because they don't want to be seen deemed as being racist.”

They don't want to be deemed as being Islamophobic. Look, okay. Yeah. That break down of culture and because of some very extreme groups is pretty scary. It's scary.

It's super scary. It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America, too. And if you think it can't, you're not. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion

you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist. You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care. We should all be able to get along.

It should be a true melting pot. But there's other organizations that have different plans and their plans are to take over cities. There's plans that are to take over cities and change the laws. And we were talking about with Tim Dylan, what happened with Dearborn Michigan.

All these liberal people are like, yeah, we love Muslims. Everyone's amazing. So they got a Muslim man.

The first thing he did is like, no more pride flags.

It's chit's illegal. Because he would like a chariot law. Like, if you ask the majority of practicing Muslims, like worldwide, how many of them would like chariot law? And it's not a small amount, you know, that's their religion.

“That's what the problem with that is like, you can't push that on another people.”

If you want to have your mosque and you want to pray five times a day wonderful, you should be able to do that. 100% everybody should appreciate the fact that there's also some different ways of worship in God. Great.

I don't know who's right. But as soon as a culture starts taking over and putting in values that first of all degross women. Yeah, grossly deteriorate women's rights, grossly. That's bad. That's when it falls apart.

And that's their culture and you have to understand that they've accepted when they're wearing those traditional headgarbs and body coverings, that's their culture. And they want women to dress like that. And, you know, we have to stop that from spreading. But you should be able to do it if you want to.

But the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system. Because every city should have the same sort of national rights, every city should have the rights that we have where you can wear whatever you want to wear, practice whatever religion you want to practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted. One way or the other.

Yeah. But when you get a country like England, it's just that's them in mass migration. And then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it. That's not good. And that makes you wonder, like, are they wanting this society deteriorate to the point

where they can say, hey, we're going to make new laws to protect you because you need to protect. So you have your master balance everywhere, more police on the streets, more people getting arrested. And in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social media posts.

That's what I'm hearing about that. It's more than China, more than Russia, more than Russia and China combined. It seems as if, you know, the grab for power is just, you know, done in plain sight now. Yeah.

And I hate to say this, but they don't have the second amendment. It's part of the problem.

Part of the problem is you're not armed.

So like when shit goes sideways, you don't have a lot of options, you know. And what are you going to do? I'll get together with shovels. What are you going to do? Grandpa's got a bird gun.

Let's go. Grandpa's bird gun. What the fuck are we doing? Get grandpa's bird. That's no way to keep the police out of your town.

Yeah, yeah, it's, it's not good.

“I think hopefully there's enough sensible people where we're going to come out on the”

other end of this, but it's going to be real hard with this ripe, ripe versus left bullshit. No, well, but, you know, you know, not to like, to your own horn here. But voices like yours are really important because you examine a lot of different people. And you've pulled in, like almost, I was thinking about this a day, like an encyclopedia

of different type of people and different types of subject matter where you can type it in a chat you can tell me about this thing that, you know, and then they'll, oh, would you want to hear an, to our podcast that Joe did about it with the expert of substance research, and that's pretty cool because in it expands people's mind, it's much easier than having to, you know, go and read about something, you know, oh, that's an interesting

point. Well, I think it's people stimulated, that's great.

But the reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly from the time they're

young. And I think we're spending way too much time giving them information and not teaching them how to thank correctly. Yeah. Not also, like, you know, giving them something that excites them and giving them something

that they can understand why it's important to be interested in something, like why I can

I feel better. Like people like tasks, they like that, and we should be taught that from the time we're young. Instead, we're just basically groomed to becoming workers. You know, as interesting as, so I turned 40 in March, and I decided I was going to take

the year off. Yeah. So essentially, 39 to 40, right? Because I've been working head down for 20 years, I hadn't looked up, living living out of a suitcase, movie to movie to movie to movie to movie, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I thought it would make me, it would give me better perspective, it would maybe whatever,

“you know, where's the, where am I going in the next 10 years, kind of, my thinking?”

And I actually got more depressed. I was like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed, and it kind of just goes back to just a busy, get up and do shit. Well, the thing is you're busy, but you're busy doing what you love, and that is a gift. That's a real gift.

Yeah. We're both very fortunate in that regard, and anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love. Or it is be key being carpentry, you're doing what you love. You're so lucky.

Create, go out and look, create, don't take, be a creator, in anything, like if you're a plumber, whatever, you know, fix someone's pipes, have a purpose, and create, don't take, there's takers and there's craters, you know, it's like, I was actually listening to podcasting. I said that, I was like, yep, that's it.

If you create, you're exponentially happier, I think, because you're, you're giving societies, it's a benefit to the people that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing. Yeah. And that's good for you, for sure.

And I think, unfortunately, I, look, I don't want the responsibility to be the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about. I just don't like to do it. Not the only person. No, of course.

You are.

“I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore”

things and get you interested in things, should be in schools. Instead of just forcing fucking history down their throats and math down their throats, give people the tools to be excited about things, show them cool shit. So, so them cool shit where they realize they're all learning about things is actually really interesting.

You know, it just has to be something you're interested in. And then they'll realize, like, oh, I can get good at stuff, I can pursue something. Instead of just being a cog in the wheel, like most people feel. Most people feel like fuck the economy sucks. So, they've just got to get a job and then you just get home and you just want to play

video games or do something to stimulate yourself because you hate jobs. And then next thing, you know, you're 35 and you don't know what the fuck you're doing. And you're stuck, you know, and that's a lot of people, a lot of people listening this right now.

And it's because they were never instructed how to think about things.

They were never instructed to try to find something that you're actually interested in. It's the thing. Get the job. Encourage that curiosity to do. Yeah.

Whatever it is, man. It's just a long mechanic, whatever whatever thing you're interested in, there's gotta be a thing. You just gotta find that one. You can get good at anything.

Yeah. And that will produce money is like, the, the, I also part of the problem is culturally,

“I think we, we place too much value in like becoming rich and, oh, you gotta do this.”

Yeah. And it's like, no, no, hold on. Don't miss the point. Get good at something and you'll, that you love and then that will produce. If you get good enough and anything, you'll make money on it.

For sure.

But the problem is like with kids, it's everything today, they want it fast, really fast.

They want ozempick. Right. They don't want to go on a diet. They want to get, you know, whatever it is, fill in the blank with whatever thing that they want to get real fast with scams, crypto, anything that they're going to get rich

quick. You know, whatever that gotta do to get rich quick. Because it's like this, this TikTok mine culture where people just want that easy quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work. When you think about a job or going down a career path, like acting for instance, like

what you did. First of all, you did it. You would think, oh, great, Clint Eastwoods is dad. He'll help him. No, fucking.

I need to work for people like now. You had to prove that you were a really good actor for like a long time for people to go, oh, yeah. Scott's actually really good. Look.

Because it's always gonna be your Clint Eastwoods kid.

Yeah. You know, and then he didn't fucking help you. But like your grind was, I know you. Your grind was years and years and years and years and years and years and years of just fucking hustling and putting in the work.

Most people see that and they go, wait, how long is it gonna take? What? 14 years? 20 years? What?

Like when we talk to comics, that's a big, big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like most comedians say a comic isn't even really comic till 10 years. 10,000 hours. You know what I mean? I don't know if that's real.

There's something to that.

But I think intention as is as important as what the hours are, you know, just the amount of time. Yeah.

“I think you're just mailing it in in the gym.”

It's not the same as, yeah, I'm gonna build this or get really good at that. Yeah, 100, especially skills related things. Like Jiu Jitsu is a perfect example, that Jiu Jitsu, 100% you get better the more you do it. About 1000% if you drill correctly and you have like mastery of the fundamentals of the

technique, like you really truly understand like leverage points where you're supposed to be when it's secured, when it's not, when it's escape, when there's no escape, if you don't understand that, you're just rolling around and just like resisting hard with people. And you'll get somewhere, so you won't get nearly as far as you get with focused, really systematic breaking down of techniques.

So it's like the 10,000 hour thing is it's, there's something to it, the more you do it, the better you'll get, but really it's the intention that you put into each and everything you do. That is as if not more important than the time. It's about enthusiasm, it's about enthusiasm and you're willingness to look at it as

objectively as possible. And especially if you're like with Jiu Jitsu's a thing, it's like your ego's involved, because you don't want to get tapped out and you don't want to get humiliated, so you

don't want to try things, so you keep a tight game and you never grow.

And it's your ego actually holds you back by that. But telling people that it's going to take that long, if you knew how long it would take to get to Black Belt, you're like, "Oh, God, it's too much work."

“Well, also, I think the thing you realize, as your ego gets stripped from you, doing Jiu Jitsu,”

is that you realize, like, doesn't matter what level I'm at, there's always going to be a thousand more guys above that level that will still choke me out. You realize how much, how, like, you're like, "No, I kind of am in the pussy." You know, like, "I'm not as tough as I, you know, you know, you really know." Well, I really know, because I work for the UFC, so I was like, "Oh, no."

I mean, we're always around like every week, dozens of guys who can kill me. And then there's people that can kill them, which is crazy. It's like, there's levels to levels, you know, when a guy like I like Ilya Taporia knocks out Max Holloway, he's like, "Whoa." And then just engage you beats up Ilya Taporia, like, "Whoa, it's like there's so many guys

out there. You have to be humble." And it's good for you. It's good for you to not be delusional. But my point was, for young people, they have to get interested in the path.

It can't be just the results. And the path is really where you grow and you become something special in life.

“You have to be on that path for a long-ass time and try to keep getting better at it with”

every day, every effort you put into it, do whatever the fuck you're doing, do it to try to get better at that thing. And eventually successful come. You're going to have to manage that success, you're going to chase it, you're going to have to figure things out.

But the most important thing should always be the path.

That's true. Yeah, I think that's it. In everything and anything you do, if you're making music, if you're writing books, it can't be, I'm going to sell a million copies. It's got to be, I need to fucking make this the greatest literature that's ever been read.

But I think I also think we need to push because of this whole quick money and think the morals and codes people have are not taught enough to young people. Do the right thing. When you say you're going to do something, be there. When you make a promise, do it, complete it.

Don't just, you know, people just are so happy in this culture of, you know, whatever fuck down, we can just do whatever we want. It's like, that's fucking terrible behavior to put out to young people. You know, you, you've got to have a code and a value system, that's my dad. I mean, he was so, you know, you make a promise, that's all you have in this life as

your word. So it's like, you've got to do something. You got to, like, it should have been president. Why didn't he run for president? He would.

Because he did, because he did politics. He did. He did one thing. I know he's a mayor of Carmel. Yeah.

And then he said, never fucking again.

Can you tell? Yeah. I don't know if I would have liked it, though, then it would have been like everyone. No, you, everyone would have come after me for no reason. Bro, you'd have been Don Jr.

Well, Jesus, would have been in the box, roped up into some crypto scheme. Everybody would hate you. Make him billions. Yeah, Jesus, Louise. Yeah.

Yeah, politics are dirty. I wouldn't have done it either. If I was him. But, you know, like, when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people like finally, finally,

I mean, it's kind of what the president is. It's a role. I mean, part of it is a role, like you're playing a leader.

“And the way you behave is like you have to, it's very formal.”

The way you communicate, it's very formal. Yeah. And actors are going to be better at that, you know? Like Josh Brolin? And that guy could be the president 100%.

That dude could kill it as the president. It's good. It looks like a president. Didn't he play a president in the George Bush movie? Yes.

That's right. He played Bush. Yeah. He could be president. You know?

I know they tried to get the rock to run. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was thinking about it. Yeah, not much.

He told me. We're in the fog. Yeah. Or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was kind of, he was telling the music.

Yeah, I'm going to do it. It's very smart with social media, he's a wizard at that stuff.

“But I think he's too smart to run for president.”

Yeah. He didn't crazy. He liked playing. Did that giant ass pro wrestler? Did that guy?

He should be our president. At least we know that our president could fuck up all the other presidents. I'll be nice. No, that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see some sort of version.

It's like, OK, great. You got to be smart enough. But you also have to maybe do some sort of fight or some sort of physical, like, competition. Because you can't just be, you know, you've got to be athletic.

You've got to be cool. That would be cool. So we don't know. We should really show anyways. We should really make them do about seven grams of mushrooms.

Oh. Anybody who wants to be president? That'd be good. You do seven grams of mushrooms. We film it.

We do it in a dark room with infrared cameras or night vision cameras for example. Yeah, yeah. We want to know how well you handle God. But also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be so rigid in your ways.

Right?

“Yeah, well, also I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience”

because it would just make them realize that there's a lot more to the world than you could see right in front of your face.

And you don't think that until you have it and then you have it and they'll never think

any differently again. You're always going to be like, OK, there's a part of this that's not real. It's a part. No, I trust me. I did the, I did five MEO and it was, I mean, I was some life-changing stuff.

Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think. Oh my God. Yeah. I'm not around any.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again. Like first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt

the wind. I mean, I cried. I bald for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriends arms after I did it. And I was like, I'm just so good. And I'm comfortable after about five seconds in my case.

I cry in the couch. It's a mouthful. Why are you hugging my girlfriend, bro?

You had some bastard, get off her, but it was powerful now.

Well, your ego is completely shattered after that stuff and you're probably even thinking of who you're hugging. You just want to hug a human. And it's the feeling of it is so, like, you're a part of everything in the universe. And there is no, there's no, like, particular destination.

It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling. And no one ever has ever done that and go, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. Like, everybody who does is like, wow.

Yeah. Like, I've known, I know a few prominent, right-wing people that have done it. They were completely changed their life. A couple of them don't even talk about it, so I don't want to mention any names. But then they want to talk to me about it, and they're like, yeah, I'm a different person.

No. Whoever I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore. Like, that's, that's, because once you know, once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe and it's like all the molecules, everything everywhere is connected. There is no space.

There's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something. It's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy and vibration, and it kind of made, kind of actually made me

sad for the people who will never try it and are so dealing with so much pain or dealing

with such a rigid thinking or whatever it is that it could help them. And I was like, oh, man, that is sad. The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about, you know, I see, grown adults who are very successful, who run businesses and they talk about psychedelics.

And when I was young, when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool, you were a crazy person who wanted to like trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were trying to expand your consciousness and you were trying to just

that people are trying to do and be more connected to God, but now it's commonly discussed.

It comes up all the time. So the public's perception on this has really radically shifted in my lifetime.

“And I think it's because of the internet.”

I think it's really, it really started to change where I heard people talking about it in the early 2000s and it was even before social media because there was a bunch of articles that were written and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences and people were talking about how it helped them quit heroin and people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular, but then all the

parents might kind of stuff that he was talking about DMT and LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him. And so all this stuff started getting out there and then YouTube and with YouTube and with podcasts, then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan and you're like, "Whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist."

Like, what is he talking about?

He's running a book about psychedelics called "Changer Mind," and so it's now where rational and intelligent educated people are free to talk about it and they often do. And so that's just a loan gives me hope because I feel like that's a big change in how people view something. Well, was it, and I don't exactly know the history, but I've heard, was there alcohol lobbyists

“that we're trying to kind of suppress weed use this?”

I mean, the alcohol lobby has, did they also go to psychedelics as well or did they have it yet? No. Well, I'm sure they are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized, but the problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have legal marijuana, you see a

diminished alcohol intake. Sure. The diminished alcohol intake's measurable, it's like they cost the money. Yep. It's real.

You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies. Excellent. Yep. They lobby prison guards unions, they lobby, there's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws keep them on the streets so they keep locking people up.

Sure. That's right. Yeah, their business is keeping people in cages, which is like really fucking crazy. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. It's really crazy that someone who's in the business of locking people up can actually

lobby to make sure more people get locked up and get locked up for something that no violent crime. Yeah, and especially marijuana, like most Americans don't think that you did it should be illegal.

“It's a large number, it's like more than 70% I think, like what was the, what amount”

of Americans think that marijuana should be legal? Let's see if there's a poll, put that into proplexity, see what the universe says. I would say it's about 67% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized, legalized. Yeah. What do you think about it?

It's all drugs being legal. It's a tough argument, because for sure you're going to lose some people. If you make all drugs legal, look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not going to go buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl.

Right? I'm not, I'm not into math. I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up math, I'm not going to pick it up, but some people will.

70%. 70% of Americans say marijuana should be legal in general, according to recent Gallup poll. If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88 to 89%. US adults say marijuana should be legal, at least some form, with only about 11% wanting it to be completely illegal, and those people need to try it.

So look, I'm actually pot never agreed well with me.

And I think I always, I got a little scared and period sometimes where I was like, maybe I have like a propensity to like some sort of schizophrenia or something. I was like, oh, I don't, this isn't, I was like, I don't like this. This made me kind of go scycoschomatic, and so did it just make you scared or did it like distort reality for you in a way that looks, no, I don't, I don't have to distort reality.

I just got my brain, you know, got my brain so freaked out about things that would out of my control. That's the part I like. Now I can see why because like, you know, the mushrooms, they make you face some things that you're going on in your life.

Yeah. And I think that's healthy. I don't know, pot just never agreed with me. I think what I like about it is when it wears off. I like, I like that beer.

I like like Joey dea says, go meet the devil. I think there's some benefit to freaking out because then it comes down and you have more perspective, but I think what's going on is you really can't think about all the threats

life. You can't think about those in a regular basis. You got to kind of put your blinders on and keep on trucking and then marijuana's like,

“what's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of?”

And you're like, oh, but I will say, as you know, important, like before the frontal cortex is like fully developed because it is some danger for young men specifically. Yes. Right. Yes.

And get to franny and like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not. I think that's with anything. Right. I don't know. Just much alcohol.

Just get to franny. But it's really bad for brain development, especially young people that smoke regularly, it's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And I know that's hard for people to hear because they want to get high.

Just trust me. If you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's going to fuck your head up. It's not good for you. It's just not good for your brain development.

It's one of the most important things about you as a human being is your ability to think

well. It's very important. 100%. And your operating system don't screw it up before it has a time to like. And just for hehees and ha-ha's because you're bored in math class, you want to get

high all this time. You know, I mean, people have done it and got away with it. And they're okay, but a lot of people have not, and you don't want to sabotage your whole life just because everybody you know is getting high. It's just not worth it.

And that also goes with alcohol. There's young people that are like 14, 15 years old that are getting drunk four, five times a week. Like don't do it, man. I'm telling you, it is fucking bad for the development of your brain.

Whatever you're looking, maybe you have a very high potential, maybe you're brain. Maybe you're always going to be smart and you're going to be fine. But I guarantee you, where if you're getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time, wherever you would be is not where you are. You might be still a very high intellect, still very smart.

You would have been smarter. You're brain would have functioned better. You would have probably had a better perspective. It's not good for you. And you know, we glamorize it for kids, like the kids at parties drinking, having a good

time. It's fucking bad for you. Don't do it. We can't. You also can't tell them don't drink because if you tell them don't drink, they just

want to drink more. You've got to kind of be kidding them. Well, Europe tends to have like a better, it seems as a whole. I'm sure they have their problems too, but it seems better. Yeah.

You know, they're easy to do it, right? Have a little, like less is more without, with anything actually, less is more. Yeah. It's not forbidden. Yeah.

So you can have a glass of wine with your family when you're 11, 12 years old. You know, it's not the big deal. That Protestant culture we have is very rigid. Mm-hmm. Don't do this, or you're going to die.

It creates drug addicts and hoes. [LAUGHTER] People just want to not listen to their parents. This is what to do something that's fucking dare. Like, whatever you're doing, I'm doing the opposite because you are fucking annoying and

you've been the bane of my existence. Yeah. As soon as I get out of this house, I'm smoking crack. You dad, don't know what you're talking about. So to get back to your question, the problem with legalization is you're going to have

a bunch of people that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally. Because it's legal. But what about, they're going to drive out when you're a age, like, I don't call it 25. Yeah. But even then, you're going to have a bunch of people that don't like their life and just decide

to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However, what you're not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organize crime. And that's what we're doing now. So in one way or another, people are going to get drugs. So how are they going to get drugs during prohibition?

Well, they're going to get drugs from criminals.

That's what they've always done.

“That's what they did during the alcohol prohibition.”

So what people do. And when you've got a multi-billion dollar industry, maybe trillion dollar industry, right next door to us, which is Mexico. And they just bring in it through, bring in it through. Like what do we do when we empower them or would you rather have it legal and have a substantial

portion of those profits, block out everything that comes in illegally, have a substantial amount of those profits put to rehabilitation and treatment? Yeah. That's also something from a quality perspective, right? That too.

Like, hey, that's cool. We get it. People are going to do this, but we're going to monitor it and make sure it is what it says it is. Yeah.

Look, alcohol's legal. There's a lot of people that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the way it makes them feel. They don't like the way it makes them act.

They say stupid things. They feel like shit in the morning. They don't drink. That will be the same with cocaine. That will be the same with heroin.

However, there's some people that are alcoholics and alcohol is legal and it's everywhere

“and these people will hit bars and get fucked up every night and their life is going”

to be a mess and they're going to die of liver poisoning. That's normal too. It's very unfortunate, but you can't nerf the world. Yeah. And you're going to like trust a little bit that yeah, it would be really hard to sell to America

that cocaine, heroin and meth are now all legal. It would be really hard to sell them.

I think ultimately it would be probably MDN for us, yeah, all those other things.

definitely abuse it.

They're going to get addicted to it and doing it all the time.

Apparently that whole thing about making holes in your brain is bullshit. Oh, really? Yeah. That was a campaign.

“Well, I think it was probably just some internet or shit.”

Let's find out what it does, MDMA does, does MDMA cause holes in your brain. Put that in there. See what perplexity else to say. Well, they proved that nothing in the case. A couple of therapy.

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with PTSD.

“And that's what maps has done with their studies.”

That's the big focus their studies is PTSD with the MDMA. There's something about MDMA's, the empathy that it gives you, the compassion that gives you, let's you drop a lot of things through your head. No, MDMA does not literally punch holes in the brain that would show up as empty gaps on a scan.

But a high or repeated doses can damage serotonin neurons and alter brain signaling, especially with heavy use. So the holes, where the holes idea come from, anti-drunk companies, popularized, dramatic brain scan images that were described as showing holes, but these were actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue.

Still, that sounds bad, reduced activity, reduced binding of certain markers. That sounds terrible. I chock up all this, it's like moderation to everything, less of everything, it's like, I disagree with some people that I really trust, you know, you know, what's his name, Dr. Paul Saladino, does it help?

The carnivore doctor? Yeah, I really like most of what he says, but he's like, don't drink in, it's like, it's like, well, maybe it's, but also, it's maybe pretty nice to have a glass of wine. It's nice to laugh with friends and it's nice, like, that's important to in life. And I think balance, we can, you tip the scale one way if you're totally extreme.

And then you're just like the social life and you're, you know, you can't, you know,

go out and like, you know, really enjoy yourself for a second.

Yeah, it's important. It's a moderation, moderation. And you're absolutely right about social life being, loneliness kills people quicker than anything else, 100%. Yeah, people that are lonely, that have, they die younger than people who smoke cigarettes.

That's not crazy. Well, that's bad for you. Yeah. Being lonely is actually bad for you. Feeling bad is bad for you.

I mean, it seems like it should be, right? It's bad. It feels bad for you. Feeling good is good for you. So a little tipsy with your friends, you're laughing.

I love you. I love you too, bro. It's great. It's great for people. Yeah, you're going to feel like shit.

Take your electric, take your, take your electrolytes, drink a lot of water. Get in the fucking sauna. Yeah. Don't do it every day. Don't do it every day.

Get an IV. Dave should belt out me that trick. When I was touring with Dave, all he would do is like after shows, they would just get IVs. He would get a vitamin IVs in the morning. They would did it all the time to big bags of glue to thion to deal with alcohol.

Yep. You'd go into like that live. Dave would have a room. You'd go into the room to build like eight of us there all hooked up to IV bags. Talk a shit.

It was fun. That sounds good. But it's smart.

“Like that's how you counteract the fact that look.”

He takes a lot. There's a lot of benefit, particularly for his job, right? Like Dave's job is being silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society. What better way to do that than to be talking shit with your friends with a couple drinks and imagine all the things you would have missed.

It wouldn't have been in your comedy that wouldn't have been in your life. I got to go home now. It's eight o'clock. I got to go home. That's boring.

Exactly. You become a boring person too. But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize like I've done this dance before. I got to get up at six.

See you guys. Yep.

You have to have discipline, but you also have to have the ability to cut loose. It's hard. It's hard to balance those things out.

“You're saying about vitamins like I'm getting off the boat, I'm on the boat, you know?”

Like that. There's some things that should be non-negotiable. And for me, there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non-negotiables.

Yep. All the other things I'll fuck around with in terms of their old bonus. Yeah. Bones rounds. You have to get cardio.

You have to hit weights. Not a stretch. You got a good sleep. Yeah. I have to do the workout stuff just for my brain.

Above the body stuff, it's great to keep the body healthy and I'm very aware of that. I think about that as well. But for me, it's my brain. When I have a nice, good, hard workout day, I'm so easy going. I'm so free.

Do you have ADHD? Oh, yeah, for sure. Okay. Same. I think everybody does.

Anybody has a good-a-day thing, has it? Every ADHD guy thinks. Everyone has ADHD. I think it's a super power. No, I do too.

I always tell people, and you're probably dyslexic.

No. Not really. Okay, because that goes hand-in-hand. It's quite often. Yeah.

And are you dyslexic? I'm dyslexic. And now, so explain to me what you see when you see text. I jump. I jump.

“So, you know, you need to go left to right.”

My brain starts and then jumps. Is it regardless of the subject matter? If you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing? Yeah. Now, it just takes intense focus for me to read.

And once I get in a good rhythm, I can get going. I can train my brain to read better. Hmm. But when I'm not focused or on other things going on, I jump and then my brain has a really tough time.

So I get tired very easily. And then it's like, oh, and I get, you know, I get a little frustrated tired. And then I fall asleep. Hmm. Like that.

I do fall asleep if I try to read it tonight. Hmm. But I don't have a hard time reading. So I don't have the dyslexic thing. But I've had friends that have it.

And I don't understand. I'm like, so you see it, right? And you're going through it. But what is going on when you're brain? What's making you jump back and forth?

I don't know. I think it's just losing focus. I don't know.

In regardless of the, like, it could be the most important thing you've ever read.

You know, like, what if you just, like, won the lottery? You got a piece of paper in the mail. Oh, I'm reading that. You just won $5 billion. And you're like, wait a minute.

Do I owe $5 billion? What does that say? I can't read this. Read this for me. Yeah.

No, I don't, yeah. It's just, I don't know if it's about the text messages are cool. Yeah. I mean, it's all, it's just, it's harder. And now, you know, like, when I grew up,

they didn't give any sort of special treatment to that. Now, it's almost mandatory in schools. Right. If you're dyslexic, they give you more time for test taking. They give you more time for reading.

They have, you know, teachers that will help with the dyslexia. There's tools you can use now. Yeah. So I got kind of bone to check something here. This is something weird.

It could be related. I've been seeing this a lot online. And I'm very curious about this. People are saying there's a link between ADHD. Symptoms, I guess we'll call it.

And histamine levels in your body. And I brought this up on the screen. It's not on shown for everybody. But there's something that pops up about it. There are some studies to it.

And what I've been seeing is this link. People are taking zirtec and peptidacy together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor blocking. Interesting. And this is where I'm like, I don't know.

The blocks histamine receptors located in the blood vessels, airway and skin, reducing allergic responses, sinus congestion. So they're saying that it's, it's a reaction to histamine. It's like, that's the mixture of zirtec. Because zirtec's more like allergies.

Everyone's into that. Pepsiidacy is like acid. I wonder if there's different things that they're talking about when they're saying ADHD. I could see people being easily distracted.

But when I say ADHD, the people that I know that haven't, usually there's one or two things in their life that they can really fucking focus on. You know, whether it's playing golf or whatever it is, a thing that you do where you could just focus on that.

But other stuff you're just scatterbrained. And they'll say, oh, you have ADHD. Or you're thinking a million things it wants. You can't focus.

That's what they always call ADHD.

But everyone I know that has that. It's always whether or not they're interested in the thing. Sure. As soon as they find the thing they're interested, they can lock in for fucking 12 hours and forget to eat.

Well, you know some, some people when pressure, I'm sorry to cut you off. When, like, you squeeze people. They either excel or they fold. Right.

When you squeeze typically I excel. So I don't know if where that comes from. But when you put the pressure on.

“I mean, that's why maybe, you know, I can do the job I do.”

And it's like 200 people looking at you.

Right. A motion seen. Yeah. You got it yourself to tears. There's an emotional.

And it's like, you squeeze. Some people are good at it. Yeah. But it's also you had to be good at it because you didn't have a backup plan.

You know, that's also part of it. It's like, you know, your dad wasn't going to help you out. You really were out there.

“Like, if you want to make it in anything,”

you have to be able to perform. Like, no matter what it is, if you're a lawyer. When you're in court, you have to perform. You have to, you have to be able to like, keep your shit together and execute.

That's your job relies on that. And if you're a focused person, you recognize that. And you work hard to make sure that you focus. And that you can execute when it's important. It's like, people that avoid things that make them uncomfortable.

They never develop that skill.

And that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most important skills you could ever have with anything. It's being focused and being able to perform under pressure. It's very important. You know, and we're missing that in life.

You know, we don't have these life for death moments like better answers or sad all the time. Where some fucking villagers are sneaking up over the hill and you spot them and you run back to the fucking camp and you grab the bows and arrows and you go to war.

Like, we don't have that. So we don't have like a constant checking of whether or not your pressure system is functional. Yeah, I mean, to bring it to this movie that got coming out tomorrow.

It's a World War II movie. Lucky strike. I'll say the name, plug it. That generation of men had that. Right?

Because they, I mean, World War II, I talked to my dad about it.

What it was like, he was only like 12 years old

when World War II was going on. But he says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in the family listening like you could hear pins and needles. Because it was, we didn't know what was going to happen.

I mean, people were scared for their life. Even back home in America, they didn't know what was going to happen.

“And that, I think, is why that generation of men”

and women are just from a different breed. You know, and, you know, you've set it before on your podcast. It's like the hard men, you know, easy or times, easy or times create. It's like the cycle that we're in.

It's, it's, um, yeah, I don't know. It's, uh, I don't know. I think we need a little bit of that. We need a little hard, harder men. 100% of it.

Well, we need to stop using this term toxic masculinity. No, there's criminal behavior. Like, yeah, toxic masculinity is a guy who beats people up and robbs people and rapes. That's toxic. That's criminal behavior.

Yeah. Okay, masculine behavior is not, it's protective. Masculine behavior is a guy who gets things done. Provides for his family, takes care of people. You can call him a two o'clock in the morning

because you need a favor. You're stuck on the side of the road. Yep. Although it's shit is important. Yeah.

Strong people are good. It's, it's good to have strong people. Like, in this idea that somehow another strength is bad for society. It's, like, really crazy.

It's like, no, it's, the strength needs to be channeled correctly.

“And that's why I think we have to encourage more people to exercise.”

And I would say, for men, you should at least try martial arts. 100%. It's so good for your brain. It's so good for your confidence. It's so good for your ability.

Your ability. And you're also your understanding of, like, your vulnerability. So many people are fucking delusion. I've seen so many drunk people that don't know how to fight. Start fights.

And you're like, do you want to die? Are you trying to die? Because you're going to, you're going to run into some fucking guy who knows how to fight. And he's going to hate you in the face. And you're going to bounce your head off the fucking concrete.

You're going to die. Yep. So stop. Stop doing this. But that delusional comes from not being around violence.

Test it all the time. Test yeah. Not sharpened. Yep. Having experience knowing what it actually is.

And it's dangerous. And you should, you should do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably good for you. It's good to experience a little bit of fear. It's good to be nervous.

It's like, you got to grow. And we are, we're in a society where people just want relaxation. They want comfort. They want entertainment. And they just want to be sedentary.

And that is fucking terrible for our mental health. Coincidentally, we're in a mental health crisis. We're a giant percentage of people who act that way. Who are if sedentary and overweight. And not taking care of themselves are mentally ill.

And you said something that was interesting, the being scared. Being really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is. Yeah. For me, when I, you know, it was, it's been martial arts, but it's also been surfing. Oh yeah.

And, you know, being scared for your life on big days and going through that and getting to the other side.

You've never been calmer.

You've never been more than with nature and clear in your mind about. And happy. Because you've accomplished something. You're boundaries. You're pushing and pushing and pushing them. How old were you when you started surfing?

I was young.

Oh wow.

“Yeah. I mean, you know, where it was like, and, you know, first it's, you know, these way of scare you.”

And then it's, you know, the, you know, bigger than the room scare you and, and you go through these. You know, it kind of can be, you feel like life and death experience. If you, you know, if you push, if you're pushing yourself. Have you ever had a shark situation?

I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's, um, that's been like, oh my God.

I'm a shark. But if I saw a shark, that would be, oh my God. I'm on a styrofoam fucking. Yeah. You're well.

Well, there's a difference between between, you know, seeing a shark further away or seeing a shark on a boat or seeing a shark. You know, isn't going to hurt you? What are you talking about? You have a conversation with the shark? No, bro, we're not going to hurt you.

No, but look, you spent, you spent as much time in the water. You spend a much time in the water as is, you know, the surfer of dinner, their whole life. You, you, you kind of understand what, what sharks are going to hurt you. What's going on here? Jamie.

Great white talking. I'm proud of borders last week. Oh, great. Oh, good Lord. Did they even know it's happening?

It's not up here. That's right. Oh, my God.

How did they not see that fin?

Yeah. Not looking behind them. Oh, my God. That's going on there. Wow.

Look, I don't actually don't think there's any more sharks. I think there's just more can't rest. Café in its best form. With Cuba, we're here at Café on Knopfdruck for some sort of moment. Then with the new Cuba-Wan capsule machine from Chivo,

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I think you know what I mean? Yeah, well Australia is a lot of that man. They seem to be angry over there too. They're sharks are angry. Everything's angry over there.

They're crocodiles are angry. They fuck people up.

I was reading about this guy who was the first guy to die

in an alligator attack in Texas since 1830 something. And the story is, I don't know if this is true, Jay, we pull this up. You see if it's true. The guy's name supposedly, Rest in Peace Tommy, Tommy Woodward. He was drinking with some friends in a marina

and orange Texas when he decided to swim in Adams Bayou. People warned him about a massive alligator that had been seen in the water. His friend pointed out near the dock. And his response was, fuck that gator.

That was the last thing he said. And then the gator killed him. He was the first guy killed from an alligator in Texas since 1836. Yeah, you don't swim in the Bayou. If there's one of the most Texas fucking things that anybody's ever said.

Fuck that gator right before he died. He's probably drunk. Not respecting nature. Drunk as fuck. He jumped into a fuck that gator

is a wild thing to say before the gator eats you. And that's, you know, humility. Got to have a little humility, Tommy. Mm-hmm. Tommy, don't say fuck that gator.

Here it is. Man, mocks alligator, jumps in water, and is killed. [laughter] Oh, this is recent. No, no, no.

It's 2015. It's 15. So what is the story? What does it say?

“Does it say he said fuck that gator in this article?”

[laughter] Fuck that gator. So there's a sign that's posted. It says no swimming alligators. And uh...

And he went... Oh yeah, it said it. He removed his shirt or moved his billfold. Someone shouted a warning and he said blank that gator. Blank the alligators.

Fuck. Fuck. That's it. Oh, that's a blank. Why didn't they just write F dash dash dash?

Jumped in the water and almost immediately yelled for help. That could have been what the guy actually quoted. Even though he, you know, he wasn't quoting him. Maybe he doesn't feel like saying the F word to that. Right.

Right, right, right. Yeah. [laughter] Immediately yelling for help is crazy. Oh, no bueno.

Yeah. I was in Florida a couple years back.

And uh, they hear everywhere.

Like it's kind of disconcerting. We were in the Everglades.

“Like in there, there was a ranch where you can go hunt alligators.”

It is uh, they're everywhere. It's, it's not hard to find them. They're fucking all over the place. Like how many of them are there that you don't see is the real question. It's a weird feeling because I thought like it would be like hunting elk.

Like you got to go find them. Like would be glass and forearm. Where's the elk? Go over the next ridge. Do you hear anything?

Somebody make a call? Yeah. Do you hear that out there? No, no, no, no, no. There's this one.

Oh, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, here's one. Here's a dead one. Here's one.

Another alligator killed. They're fucking. Look at this. No, thanks. Dinosaurs.

Where's this? This is guys tent. Oh, bro, run.

Yeah, get that video off.

What is this? I've seen this. Isn't this in like Brazil? I think so. This is in Brazil.

I think this guy. Oh, fuck all that. Look all the eyes. Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, that was what I was kind of good.

Oh, my God. If that's terrible. Three, four.

“So they must all come out of the water at night and this dude put his tent there.”

Oh, my God, dude. That isn't sane. That's insane. And you know they're all hungry. Is there's that many of them?

How many deer can they eat? You know? They're not small at all, dude. They're all can eat you. They're good.

Fuck all that. But the weird feeling about Florida being there was just the sheer numbers of them. And then knowing how many pythons there are. And you, I didn't see any pythons. But I go, how many do you guys see pythons?

So they grow. Occasionally, you'll be just driving and you'll see something making his way across the road. And it's 15 feet long. No. Thank you.

Think like a fucking football player's thigh. I don't, I don't mess with that. So I don't, I'm, I would weigh rather be in the water with sharks. Because at least you can, you can, you know, you can open it right. But you can come to a tree if you're out in the woods.

Yeah. But in the bay, I don't know man. Three swamps. It's, yeah. Don't go in the water water there.

Yeah. But outside of the water, I would weigh rather be on ground. If you're like, if you have, you know, distance. You're a gun. You have a lot of things.

When you're in the water with a shark, you're fucked. You can barely move what you can actually, if you, if you, if you, they're really deterrent by if you touch their nose. So if they're coming at you and you poke them, hit their nose, they're usually going to turn.

For real. Yeah. Have you done this? Yeah. Yeah.

I'm done. I don't know. So when you come after you don't flip your legs and scream. Yeah. Well, keep it on the front.

And then in front. Yeah. Bop him on the nose. Bop him. I've heard that before.

I've heard punch him. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Here it says. Bop the nose.

I punch a shark in the face. Save this hollow Hawaiian surfer. I'm a guy. It's not good either way. You don't want to be in the water with an angry shark.

Well, in Florida, they don't have as many shark problems. But they do have bull sharks. And I was watching this video. There's these guys that go fishing. I guess is the keys.

And they go off of this giant bridge. And it's like real far to the water. So they have to have this like gaff system where they drop a line down. And then they gaff the fish and then have to pull it up.

They're catching these tuners and they never get them to the bridge.

They're just getting destroyed by sharks. The sharks fall over the place down there. Yeah. Bull sharks are real dangerous because they they'll keep attacking. Whereas a lot of sharks bite out of, you know,

misconfusion right there. They sort of think you're a seal or something. Yeah. And then they bite another. Yeah.

Okay. Bull sharks they'll just keep coming. They're like little Chihuahas. Like pit bulls. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Fuck those things. They catch them a lot now. What is going on with this guy?

Bull sharks eating a tuna. Oh, really? I thought this was the video. But actually no views on that. So maybe not.

The, well, this guy's actually in the water.

“The guys that I've seen, is this in the keys as well?”

I said big sharks circling. I thought it was going to be a little more exciting than this. Oh, man. Imagine you're pulling a fish and you see a shark. Like you just take it.

Take the fish. Jesus Christ. But a lot of guys that they pulled them in. They're caught in half. You know, yeah.

So you can, they bull shark fish down there now. You can catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to reduce the population because apparently it's a very high population. You know, bull sharks are the reason why jaws was made. Do you know the original story behind jaws?

No, no, no. The inspiration was actually bull shark attacks in fresh water on a river in New Jersey. So bull sharks are one of the weird sharks that can live in fresh water. Is this the thing? In 1916.

Yeah. So this is the caught that bull shark. And they killed, I think, two people, right? A series of shark attacks, four people were killed and one critically injured. And since it occurred during a deadly summer heat wave and polio epidemic in the United

States, it drove thousands of people to see side resorts in the Jersey shore.

It says there's a bit of debate, but it's in fresh water.

It's not going to be a 40th anniversary jaw screening in that bay and people sat in the water to watch the water. Also natural selection. But they've found bull sharks as far north as Illinois up the river. Yeah, they make their way up the river.

That's scary. That's crazy. It's the most aggressive shark and they've found them in fresh water.

“I think that dude that you used to have that show River Monsters, remember that guy?”

Yeah, I remember the show. Yeah, the guy was just caught fish all the time. Like crazy as a redneck. No, he wasn't a redneck. It was actually like an educated guy with a foreign accent.

Where was he from? River Monsters. Yeah, I remember the show. I just don't, I don't know if I ever watched it. I just remember seeing.

What's it? Man, he from the river Monsters guy. The guy with the gray hair. Oh, he was a fisherman. That's his day.

Yeah, where's he from?

He's not from America, right?

British. There he goes. Yeah, British biologist. I think he did an episode on the bull sharks. I think there was one of those where they were trying to catch him in fresh water.

They realized like these things, they go way up the rivers. Yeah. And they can live in fresh water unlike all the regular sharks. I think maybe some of them can't. But I think most of them have to be in salt water.

They're like great whites. But they do, I mean, they've tagged great whites. And they go around the world. I mean, you think they would, they thought, you know, historically that they stayed in certain temperature of waters and certain migrating patterns.

But they've found them all over. Yeah. My daughter got really into megalodons at one point in time. So we really started like researching megalodons. She got up there.

Didn't like hunting hunting. No, not really. You know what I mean for the. Oh, no, we just got one online. But you, you start watching documentaries on megalodons.

And you know, and then there's the people that think that megalodons might still be out there. You know, like probably not, but either way, like the fact that that thing actually exist. Get out of the shark the size of a whale. They're fucking everything up. Yep.

Like you wouldn't be surfing if there was megalodons. Would you? I probably still would. I mean, I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's not a bad way to die, I guess.

That's why you hold on.

“Well, you have to get, you'll suffocate and get digested.”

Yeah, they're doing something you love. Yeah. It's good story. I guess for other people. I mean, it would be pretty quick.

You know, what's worse? What's worse? You live this crazy long life and you're in bed for the last five to seven years of your life. And you're hurting and you're like dealing with cancer or this, that. Or just bam.

Get it by a shark? I don't know. I think I know. Yeah. I could say it, I guess.

But still, the instinct to stay alive is so strong. Yeah. When I'm 100 years old and then my bad. I'm like, maybe they're going to have a new drug. They're going to bring me back to life.

Yeah. They probably will be able to do that, too, which is going to get real weird. If they really can take old people, like I was watching this video where they were talking about human skin cells. And at least in a lab, they've been able to take human skin cells and take like 60 year old skin cells and make them 20 again. Yeah.

That's going to be really weird.

Well, I just don't hear, here's the thing.

I'm all about living the best version of your life. Being as healthy as you can. Maybe not for, like, that whatever you get, like, being optimal.

“But isn't kind of the most beautiful thing about life is that it is finite.”

Yeah. Like, people are saying, "I'm going to live forever." It's like, "I don't know if I'm going to live forever." Yeah. Well, there's something to that, man.

Have you seen this trailer for this movie called "White Whale Fall?" Actually, Josh Brawl, and that happens to be it. I mentioned him earlier. What happens? It's kind of eaten by a whale.

No way. It's in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler. And it's about him surviving. Is it real? She's kind of unbelievable.

He's following through that thing. Because it's done in the whale's mouth. Oh. Yeah, the whale eats him while he's scuba diving. Oh, Jesus.

And then the rest of the movie is about getting out. Get out, I guess. Well, how long does he stay inside the whale's body? A little complex. 85 minutes.

He's 85 to 95 minutes inside with his scuba tank. Inside the whale's body. This is bananas, dude. Oh, my God. I just keep swallowing it.

I mean, that's what the movie is called. Oh, God. Damn it. Is that real? Is that a new movie?

This is the real movie. Oh, my God. I saw the trailer recently. And I was, this is the movie we think of. It might be awesome, or the dumbest movie that's ever been made.

I can't decide. Yeah, I don't know. What do you do if you have a knife? Do you try to carve your way out of the whale? Yeah.

You have to have a knife, yeah. You would. But how much time would it take you to carve your way out of a whale? Forever. You're going to run out of air.

Have you have the scuba tank and you have a knife? Do you really think you can get through a whale? And how much? I'm not blubbering. I'm going to take it to got a fish.

Yes, that's a fucking bus.

It's you. It's very motivated. That's true. It's just true. But you got to get through ribcages.

I don't know if that's a thick enough plot to have a whole movie. I'm going to do it with the script. This is the big one. This is the big one. We're green lightness.

This is our jaws. Oh, God. The business sometimes just. Oh, it's so bad.

“How long would it take you to carve your way out of a whale?”

Well, he puts sperm whale and he's got less than an hour of oxygen. Oh. So that's together. I don't have enough time. I don't have enough time.

I don't have enough time. You don't got to call your car through 80 feet. I think if you kept cutting it up, it might throw up.

If you kept cutting the inside of his tongue, just kept slashing it all that.

He might just throw you up. Yeah. Yeah. He might recognize there's something wrong. Like you would.

Like if something was, if you put something in your mouth, it started biting your tongue. You'd be like, you're trying to get rid of it. I would imagine the whale would do that too. I just start fucking up his tongue. There you go.

Also, to keep you from getting digested, just stab him and just pull yourself forward. And stab him again. You have an exit plan. You've got to plan. You're not going to cut your way out.

I just think there's too much bone. I don't think you're going to make through that bone. Unless you go through, I don't even know where you would go. Like the neck. I could figure out how to get through on an elk.

I'll go that way. I would go where the holes are. There's holes back here, where the guts are. And there's holes up here. You know, like where you chew them if you're shooting a frontal.

They're not going to cast you in this movie. They're like, duh, he's getting out too quick. I don't think I'm getting out quick. I think I'm dying of nowhere. I don't think I'm going to make it.

Let's look at the anatomy of a sperm out here. Are you going to be wearing it? I want to get out through the neck. See, right there? That's where I want to get out.

But all that stuff. If you get the bottle. Yeah, but you're not. It's going to take too long for you to get through all those. And then you go right to the spink during, just like, you know, open the little bottle.

Yeah, just convince him to digest quickly. No, there's too much traveling. Okay. You're going to want to, you're going to want to go through where you came in. You don't want to go through the intestines up right now.

And also you're dealing with asses. They're going to burn.

“And I think you want to cut through the front.”

So I think as he swallowing you, you've got to dig in. And you've got to make your way through the bottom of his jaw. You've got to start cutting. And maybe you get out. But let he's going to reenlip this movie.

So we need to find out. Yeah. Some crazy person. Maybe it's really good. Josh Pro ones in it.

It's probably kills. It's probably great. I have pretty popular, well, like New York Times best selling novel. Oh my god. Sounds like a pretty good story.

So they made a movie out of it. There was a whale. They spotted fairly recently that had a harpoon in it from the 1800s. Oh, wow. Yeah.

That's a lie. Yeah. It was alive. Yeah. And it had this harpoon embedded in it.

So you can find that story. That's a wild. My piece of Instagram for shit. Oh, it wasn't seven. Yeah.

Fairly recently. I remember. They found this whale and they recognized that the harpoon was from the 1800s. Yeah. 2007.

Native Alaskan Whalers near Barrow. Alaska made a remarkable discovery of 50-foot bowhead whale found with a metal fragment of a late 19th century bomb lands. An explosive harpoon embedded in its neck. The artifact traced to new Bedford Massachusetts. The explosive harpoon was patented in 1879.

And manufactured in the late 1880s. So the whale's age by surviving the initial attack. Whale lived for over a century. With the metal tip lodged safely in its neck, thick blubber. The extraordinary survival story help biologists prove that bowhead whales can live for 100 to over 200 years.

“Did the whale get shot near Massachusetts or did they travel to Alaska with that device?”

That's a good question. Well, they were probably whaling in Massachusetts a lot. So they probably made good tech like East Coast, manufacturing. And then they probably shipped it off to Alaska. There's not as many people up there.

So they probably didn't have as much manufacturing. But imagine they did. In the 1870s? Yeah. They would ship things by train.

They would ship things by train and boats.

I mean, they always had that. They always had trade. You know, you could always ship things.

Not easy. But if you wanted to get guns, like say, if there was, you know, if the army was in California in the 1800s, they had to get guns. And they would get the guns shipped to them. Yeah. They do the carry the guns with them as they made their way across the country.

Or they can get them shipped to them. Yeah. I went to a shadow movie in Iceland. I got 20. I think it was 20 years ago.

What was it? The movie? Yeah. It was called flags of her father's. And it was also where we're two.

It's not.

It wasn't looked at in the same way.

“I think Americans, like, look at wailing.”

Right. God how dare you. They look at its normal. Yeah. It was really interesting.

That's still alive. Yeah. And it's like, where do you draw the line? It's everyone's got this. Oh, you can't kill this.

But I can have my listen dude to live in my town. Whaling is on the menu. Yeah. Because you need to stay alive. Especially way back in the day.

Yeah. There was not a lot of resources in Iceland. You know. They have a fermented shark dish in Iceland. It's very popular.

That bordane told me was the single most fucking disgusting thing. He's ever eaten. Really? And it's a delicacy. Like they all love it.

See if you can find this fermented shark thing.

But what you got that whale is interesting question kind of like what I asked. It was even older. There's like another problem is that that device would have been used up by 1890. It says because they were very popular. I don't know how specifically would have gotten that whale.

Interesting. Says what you don't know is if some Yankee wailer had a harpoon made an 1830 traded to an Inuit and then the Inuit or his offspring used it 40 years later. But because the bomb lands was patented and stocks were used up quickly. Boxed, boxed toasts and his colleagues identified a narrow window which they believe the whale was shot.

Somewhere between 1885 and 1895. Biologists in Alaska will now try to verify the estimate by examining the lens of the whale's eyes. Whoa. Whales generally become cloudy. Their eyes become cloudy as the age.

Found only in Arctic waters. The bowhead was in danger of being hunted to extinction at the turn of the century. But bounce back after demand for whale-born whale-bone corsets plummeted. Holy shit dude. That was it whale-bone corsets.

We're killing all the, imagine the whales. They're like why are they killing us? Are they eating us? Like no, these chicks.

They just want to suck their waist and tight.

Guys think that's fine. Like what? No, no, they can't be serious. That's what they made them out of. Oh wow, so it had like spines from the whale-bones.

What? So that's what it looked like. Like a core. They turned into like a almost like a like strap whale-bone. That's whale-bone?

That's just strange. What? Imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they just use wood? The eel-bone in person.

That's like whale-bone. They probably ate the whales and then they were like, Oh look, this excess bone we can use. Yeah, I guess they probably just had the bone. And realized it was kind of flexible.

Well, this is whale-bones. We weren't even made from bone at all. I went to my buddy's cattle processing plant in California. And they use everything. Really mean everything.

They use the part of the heart I believe. Oh, it's an organ I can't remember. They use it in medical operations. They pull it out and then they send it on ice. They use it for some patching of the heart thing.

I mean down to everything. Hose everything. Wow. And it's actually like fascinating to see. You're like, oh, this is super efficient.

This uses for a lot of different applications for hide, for all kinds of stuff. Which makes sense. Because it's all valuable. Why would you not use it all? And it makes people feel better if you know that the whale is being completely harvested.

Like every completely. Everything is used. Yep. That's awesome. Yeah.

“I mean, if you have a connection, that's really the best way to get food.”

If you have a connection with a really good ranch and they're real ethical and it's all grass-fed meat. Animals are raised on a pasture. Even the way they slaughtered them at this place was super, it was really gentle. And that was the whole thing. It's like, we're taking a soul.

But this is part of life, right? Life eats life. And the way they did it was really painless. And I was just boom boom. And then it was.

Was it no country for old men's style? Oh, the air bullet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Apparently they just shut the lights off. Shut the lights off. Quick. And then they bleed them out. How about us?

Was that motherfucker in that movie? Javier. Javier was so good in that movie. It might be one of the single best performances I've ever seen in a movie. Yeah.

Because you believed him. Yeah. You believed him.

“When he's making that dude flip that quarter, you know?”

He's, I mean, he gives you the chills. Oh, yeah. That hair. That weird haircut. Yeah.

Weird haircut. But it's just the commitment to being a psycho. Like that dude's got some darkness in his eyes. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Look at that weird haircut. Crazy haircut.

Javier is a bad motherfucker dude.

His, there's something about his bad guys that are like this cape fear roll that he's in now. Mm-hmm. I haven't seen it either, but the fucking trailer may be uncomfortable to see him in the trailer. Yeah. He's a good creep.

He plays a real good psycho. Yeah.

“You know, there's some dudes where you like, "I believe it."”

And some guys you like, "Come on, man." You're a nice guy. [laughter] Also, the original cape fear. I mean, Robert to narrow on the original cape fear, man.

You've played bad guys. Do you have a problem playing bad guys? Is it hard for you to get into it? Like, what is more challenging for you? Like to play a bad guy or to play the World War II thing.

You've got to play someone from a different era. Which I would imagine has its own challenges. But is it a hard for you? You can see you're so nice. Would you have a hard time when you played bad guys?

Well, I got to do it for Guy Richie, which was like, you know, the ultimate.

Yeah. He rules. Yeah. And it was actually kind of liberating, kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're not supposed to.

You could like act out on your impulses a little bit. You know, you think of something fucked up in your hand. You're like, "Why did I think that?" I could have punched that person in the face. So why did I think that?

You kind of like, you know, to like a lesser extent, you obviously are doing everything. But you could kind of like, revel in your own, like, messed up thinking. But I don't, I don't love doing it to be honest. I think, I think I want to do it very selectively. Like, I mean, for Guy Rich, I'll do anything.

Right? He's, I think he's one of the best, best, best. Ever. Look at you. Yeah.

And so, you know, I got to have to kill a kid there. Yeah, I was going to do the dirty work and get it done. Even look evil there. Like, something's different. Yeah.

Look at your face. Doesn't look like you. Okay. You look evil. Yeah.

You look like legitimately evil. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was the loose.

I was tying up loose ends there. Is it, um, when you're doing, uh, when you're playing an evil guy, are you thinking evil? A little. I'm, look. I mean, at the end of the day, it's a job.

I know. I treated as a job. I'm not one of these crazy psychos. Like, like, let things become distorted in your mind. When you pretend you're Abraham Lincoln for six months?

I mean, yeah. I believe him. Daniel Day like, I believe him. So I don't know.

“Maybe, you know, maybe I, you know, if you want to be the best, I think it comes with a price.”

In that price. Sanity. Yeah. A little bit of sanity. Uh-huh.

He had to give it up.

My dad was never like that.

He was like, it's a job. Like, go to work. Do the best you can. Put in the reps. Make sure you know your shit and you come prepared.

And you have something interesting. But I can leave it at the door, man. Yeah. People like their minds get twisted and we deal with artists, right? Artists are like, it can be special sometimes.

Yeah. And they take themselves very seriously. Yeah. But there's also a certain amount of you have to be thinking about how that character would think, right?

If you're really going to pull it off. And you really did pull it off. So you had to be having something. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I would love to come to you. I was like, it was a greedy role. Yeah.

And I was like, I kind of let the greed take over. Which is a little, which is a little scary. So do you have to think like a greedy guy before the, like, when you're getting ready for scene, how do you get your head in that space? Yeah.

A lot of, a lot of manifesting sort of those thoughts and emotions. What can I do? I'm going to take whatever a book I want right now. You see, you're sort of, you know, you, you play that. But then you got to let it go.

Right. And then you got to let it go. Right. You've got to be like, I call that was, that was that thing. And then that's got to be slippery, right?

I think it can be if you don't have. If you value this career too preciously and you don't realize, hey, we're telling stories, it's fun. I'm so grateful. I've gotten to do it.

But it doesn't define me. It might have made me, but it's not going to break me. Right. I have other interests and other things. And I know there's other important shit out there that I could do in this life.

“I think you have to have that level of thinking because if you think this is everything.”

I mean, it's too extreme. It's like extreme what we're talking about before. It can get to, it's not healthy. Mm-hmm. Well, a lot of people have problems after roles are done like apparently Jim Carrey really struggled

after he played Andy Kaufman because yeah. Yeah. I'd like to talk to him about that because it seems like he got from all accounts that people that worked with him on the film. He got so into that character that he was like being Andy Kaufman all the time.

Yeah, we heard a lot of accounts.

You got a chill. I mean, I've worked with some that are taking it to the level. Yeah. Jared let all did that when he's playing the Joker. The people like, hey man, stop.

Stop sending me dead birds. Rats, you dead rats. A child of boof. And yeah, the boof, the boof. I don't know.

I always get corrected. Sorry, shall. But yeah, there's a lot of those guys. They go into that rabbit hole and they can't crawl out.

“It's just, I think just having, also it's like frontal cortex being defined, right?”

You get famous too early when you did, you know, I was, I worked as a valet. I worked as a bar bag. I figured I did all these shitty jobs that, you know, you kind of like, oh, no, I understand like how the real world operates. You get famous too early.

You get stunted in your growth. Mm-hmm. And I truly believe that. I think so too. And I think it's a real crime when they do it to little kids.

It's at 100%.

They never make it out normal.

No. I never met one. I met some Leo. Leo, Leo made it out. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was a child actor.

That's right. He had good people around him. He had, you know, he's disciplined and he, Yeah, he's got a good, like, sense of the world. That's good.

Yeah. But he always has like 20 year old girlfriends. He's a guy. [laughter] Isn't that really cute?

He's a gentleman. He's a guy with 20 year old. I don't understand. Like, what are they even talk about? But at the end of the day,

maybe let's take a very few.

“Well, he did really, he really was famous.”

He was pretty young though. Yeah. Really young. He might be the only one. But I mean, I guess, Jody Foster.

She seems pretty put together.

She doesn't seem like she's lost her fucking marbles. But then you see the Britney Spears of the Worlds. And these other people, and you go, "Oh, man, I don't think that was really good for them." You know?

Yeah, there's, I think, also. Cory Feldman. You see these people that were like huge movie stars there, young. And as they're getting older,

it's like, I don't think they're doing good. They're heads all fucked up. Yeah, well, when you place too much value on that too, and then it goes away. Yeah.

Where's your identity? I had McColle Galkin in here. He was very interesting. Very nice guy. Like, very smart guy.

Interesting guy. But he struggles. You know? It's like, he realizes. He was sort of robbed of a normal childhood.

Yeah. He came famous as a little kid, man. Home alone. He was little. Yeah.

I mean, Kudos to my dad because he did really a job of protecting us from that.

And very private. We didn't live in LA. Didn't live, you know, we lived in Carmel. We was a very, you know, as normal as it could be. Mm-hmm.

But in the sense that he was like, no, that's, you know, you just, you need to be a normal child and learn how the world works. Carmel is beautiful, man. It is.

Nice place to grow up. Yeah. They say, they say, I newly went and nearly dead. Right? That's what it is.

People get married there and then they fucking go there to die. Yeah. It's so true. Yeah. It's a little slow for me.

But it's beautiful. I do appreciate it. But they have an annoying homeowner's associations. Oh, yeah. Come on.

But you were at the day and you don't know what you're supposed to do. This is off white. This is not white. Your fence is the wrong color. Yeah.

I can get a life. Well, people love to control their neighborhood. They get horrible on those homeowners associations. Old people who are really into controlling the neighborhood. I'm like, so bored with that story.

I'm like, God, can you just be different?

“I can just surprise me with something else, you know?”

Yeah. And old people like to live around other old people, too. Makes them feel comfortable. They don't want to be around parties. Yeah.

So that's why Carmel calls out to them. And if you keep the real estate price high, great. Now you've got old people living around old rich people. Rich people, yeah. Yeah.

The most fun. They're the most fun. They're the most fun. Yeah. Yeah.

They're the most entitled. Yeah. And the most thing they could tell you the most what to do. Because they used to tell everybody what to do. But still, Carmel fucking beautiful.

Beautiful part of the country. Yeah. That coast. Oh, my God. Also sharks out there.

A lot of great whites. A lot of sharks. They're all over the place up there. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's a California man is one of the most beautiful places on earth. It has so much variation. There's something you've got deserts. You've got the beach. You've got mountains.

You've got me got everything. All this one beautiful state. Yeah. Everyone was, I mean, even in the development of our country. I was like, everyone was going out west because it was so prestigious.

It's like, oh, the gold rush and getting out west. And then California really L.A. It was the movie industry. And that's really what we did.

They've completely driven it out. I mean, here. Good job, TV show. Yeah. Barely have TV shows.

Barely. Barely. It's brutal. It's brutal. Do you still live there?

No. You live out here now? Yeah. I kind of, I tell people I live on the road. Because that's essentially where I am.

You know, I was, I was at land. I was here. It was there. It was an Italy making a movie. Well, that's the thing about film, right?

Like, there never.

“How many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days?”

It's not even beneficial to live there.

I've never, I don't think I've ever worked on.

Maybe I worked on one film. But it was out for a week. And it was, we shot the rest of it somewhere else. Yeah. They make it so hard for people now.

So stupid. Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. It's a sad because film is, you know, inherently, like Hollywood is, is inherently something that we've produced out of California out of America. And it's like to see that just get completely blown up.

I know. I'm industry. Do your friends still live back there? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Tons of California friends. And, you know, I look, I was never. I don't have a lot of industry friends.

I had, I do have some. But actors, like, sometimes aren't my people. They're just not. Right. I just, I don't know.

Like, I don't want to intellectualize about it. I don't want to talk about acting. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, it's like, well, it's just something I do.

But it doesn't define me.

“You know, some of them are just, they're so self-important.”

Yeah. You know, you're, it's not even almost not their fault, almost. Because they're getting their asses kissed all the time. They're on sets. And people are trying to get them bagels and coffee.

And everyone's always catering to them.

So they start feeling like they deserve that from the world. Yeah. And it just gets real weird. I think it's weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in that industry.

Right. It's short. Right. Mass by, um. Mass by, like, false security.

Right. Like, it's like, I'm the man. I'm tough for him. I'm this thing. You build this ego up.

And you're like, yeah. Dude, like, we're just doing the job here. Can you get to set and shut the fuck up? It's just the attention that you get, you know, you get so much attention from the world that you start thinking you're important.

And, you know, natural, natural for human beings. But especially even more natural for people that pretend to be someone else for a living. No, you know, and like some of the accountability man in the industry is unbelievable. Like, you know, I just worked with somebody that I think was just without saying any names. You know, just maybe, you know, people's got like two famous or two long.

If they think the world owes them something and then it comes to like doing the right thing. You're like, dude, you get, it's black and white. Do the right thing. Don't be a piece of shit. You can't do that.

That's unacceptable behavior. Fuck that, I can do that. And you're just like, what are you talking about exactly? You can, you can say a name and then we'll edit it out. And we'll do that.

Well, yeah, I just, you know, we started working on a film with a director. And they decided, you know, after we had spent a bunch of money that they just didn't. Feel like they wanted to work with this other person. And I didn't want to do the job, do the thing.

“And so I was like, okay, well, you need to pay that money back now to that person who invested in you.”

And I'm like, I don't do that. And it's like, well, uh, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. That's the right thing to do. So they decided they didn't want to work with another person.

Yeah, they want to work with like another person after we like started pre-production on the film. So they're trying to get the person kicked off the movie. Or they just left. And they just, they're, it was their, their directorial, their story, their thing. It was just like, bro, you, that you took money from somebody.

That's also a good way to get sued. That seems like a, yeah, person can get sued pretty easy for that. Yeah, but it's just, it's like, it's just the bigger, the bigger thing is just, I've seen some behavior on this business. That is shocking. That would not go in other industries.

But for some reason, because they're stars. Right. Yeah. It's also the thing, there's a thing that some people want to be a star. So they can behave like that.

They want to be a star. So they can order people around. They want to do whatever the fuck they want to do and just be unpredictable and wild. They actually enjoy that aspect of being famous.

Yeah, I, to be honest, I never, I really didn't, like, and people, people think they want to be famous.

You don't want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. Rich. Yeah. Rich is better.

Rich is better. But to be, like, that goal is so twisted. It's not, like, I love telling stories.

And you move people with you, make them laugh, make a cry, whatever. But the whole other side of that is, like, just really ugly.

“And it's, I think I was lucky in some ways, because I got to see it growing up and got to see, like, how it's bullshit.”

Right. When your dad's one of the most famous movie stars of all time. Yeah. And he's just your dad. Yeah.

You go, oh, this is bullshit. It's bullshit. Yeah. And if your dad is not like a guy who gives into that stuff, either. Yeah.

He's not a guy who worships that kind of fame or is not interested in that at all. Not at all. He's just to put your boots on, go to work, man. It happens to be in a creative endeavor, which is really cool. And it gets to use that muscle.

But did you hesitate at all about getting into acting, because your dad was so famous on it? Sure.

I think I was always like, I think it was always like, hey.

I love tone stories. I love watching movies. I love this. I don't know if I exactly wanted to ever do like just an actor. It wasn't like, oh, that's my thing.

But you love my thing. I love the storytelling of it. And I was like a conduit in. I'm doing other other things in film now, producing. And I do want to direct.

It'd be nice to like show up with my own clothes to work. Yeah. Where else work here? But also, films like Directors Medium. It's not really an actor's medium.

You need actors. It's part of the deal. But the making of a film goes way beyond the filming of a film. You know, there's a film made in script and development. There's a film made while you're shooting it.

And there's a film made in editing. Have you ever directed anything before? I've, you know, done in a creative capacity where I've been a producer.

I've, you know, had hand in directing.

But not like, hey, that's my home. That's my name on the, on the thing I'm super proud of it. I, I sort of find the right material. To go on, to go out and kind of slap around. Do you write?

No. No. And I, I, it's a backbone of the industry. Right. Yeah, if you could write your own thing.

Yeah. I don't know how, like, like, the discipline to do it. Like for what you do is it's, it's tough. You know, like, you have the thought to paper. Mm-hmm.

That doesn't interest you. It, it does in a sense. I just don't like sitting. You know what I mean? I, I, I am really good at collaborating and talking about material and saying,

What about this? What if he's in this? What if he's in this? What if he's in this? What if he's in this?

Can we go this way? So I think maybe you can have a writing partner. Yeah. Yeah, maybe you have a writing partner. Someone who you drive with that's creative.

And you guys can get together. And you could come up with your own idea. That way you have, like, material that it's exciting for you. And you could direct that. Because I would imagine if you're, even working with guys like Guy Richene, all these

directors that you work with, you've got a chance to see the discipline in the highest level. Yeah. You get to see those guys do it. Yeah. You know, you get to see how they piece it together.

It must be fascinating. It is. And everyone has a different, different way of going about it.

“Like Guy Richie, here's the thing about Guy Richie.”

You learn the script. Then you show up. And he's just like, throws it out the window and goes, you say this, you do that. You do this. And then you're like, okay.

And so if you're not, it doesn't work for everybody. Some people can't handle that heat. I love it. I'm like, this is awesome. Let's do it.

What is it? Okay. Let's go. So many. He wants you to improvise.

He wants you to talk like a real person. It's not necessarily that it's improvising. It's more. He's seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats.

So he's seeing the movie. What he's already shot. And then he's like, I actually don't want that scene. I want him to say this and this. He kind of like is molding the movie in real time.

And real time. And then what he'll do is he'll go back to his trailer. They have like a blacked out trailer. And they'll watch the movie and he'll. They'll they'll radio in.

He'll say, hey, say it like this or do it like this. Do you know do it one more time. So he's kind of like watching the movie as a as an audience member. It's really interesting. Is he the only one you know that does it that way?

Yes. Hundred percent.

And then you have guys like my dad who would never do that.

They would they wouldn't even. They're just they are like right there. Just going. Okay. Have you heard Matt Damon's story?

Which one? Matt Damon was working with your dad and he did a take. And he liked it, but he wanted to do it again. Because we do it again. Cleans like, no, we got it.

Yeah. He's like, but I've been fucking working forever on this thing. What? All the more go at is like, we got it. Yeah.

“And he probably said something like, well, if you want to waste everyone's time.”

Sure. And then Matt's like, no, no, no, no, no.

We're good. We're good. We're good. Oh, so funny. Yeah, it's so funny.

Yeah.

“Whatever Guy Richie's process is, it works.”

It works. His fucking shows. His movies are some of my all-time favorites. Yeah. Right from the beginning, right from Locke's talk and two smoking barrels.

And snatched. Holy shit. His movies are so good. And he really did such a fantastic job of almost like. He's like the benchmark for that genre of like British crime genre.

Yeah. That's him. That's him. That's the you think of British crime drama. Oh, Guy Richie.

Guy Richie movie. Like, there's this dude. His name is Lee Murray. Lee Murray. He was UFC fighter.

He was famous in London in England for being like a street fighter. And the crazy guy who's fighting in MMA at a really high level. Like one in the UFC. And then was a part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK. No way.

That guy with a full on psycho. He was a gangster. Oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart in a street fight. And then made a video of him hitting mid six weeks later.

Six weeks later he's back in the jam. It's crazy person. I got to see him fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend of mine.

But so he got first round.

He got arrested for the crime. Oh, yeah. He's still in jail. He's still in jail. It'll be in jail for probably the rest of his life.

They stole an enormous amount of money. He did it in a very high tech. Like the movie heat. Like that crazy. Like they had full masks on.

Armored fucking body armor. The whole deal. Yep. And how much do they steal? Um, 53 million pounds.

Oh, 92 million dollars.

“The biggest, I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history.”

And they hurt. They hurt people doing it. They didn't hug. I don't know if he killed me. No, I'm going to just wondering.

Like if the largest peacetime cash robbery in world history. Wow.

So it's worth 92 million dollars.

53 million pounds back then. So that was in 2006. So this is after he had been in the UFC. So I, you know, I would call this fight in the UFC. I was doing commentary back then.

They left over 150 million behind 150 million pounds. Because they ran out of room in their transport vehicles. Holy shit. How do they get caught? Only about 21 million pounds of the stolen cash has ever been recovered.

So somebody made a way with more than 30 million pounds. So we flew to Morocco. Murray and several associates fled to Morocco because he held dual British Moroccan citizenship. And Morocco did not have an extradition treaty with the UK. He evaded British authorities.

Police arrested Murray in June of 2006 in a shopping mall and robot following an international manhunt. Instead of being extradited, he was tried in Morocco after initially being sentenced to 10 years. Barack and appeals court extended a sentence to 25 years in prison for his role in forming a criminal gang, kidnapping and arm robbery. So like when this guy got arrested when everyone was your sort of everybody was saying,

"That guy's got to be a Guy Richie movie."

“That's how much of a guy Richie has locked down that genre.”

And I think there was some talk. Is there talk about Guy Richie doing a movie on the Lee Murray heist? Something came out and chasing lightning. He came out probably? No, no, no.

He did it. Something came out. It's like a mini series about it. But as Guy Richie been connected to a movie about it, because I know a bunch of people were talking about it saying, "It has to be a Guy Richie movie."

Like if you're going to really capture who this guy was, he was a real nut. Like a real world class fighter who would plan, like give me the, because I don't know what he looks like. Jason days to stay them could probably nail it. Yeah, and there it is. He's perfect.

Cast already. Yeah, definitely. He doesn't have the hair for it, but because Lee Murray had a full head of hair. But it doesn't matter. This has been a rumor for a long time, but he instead did it.

It's like a similar story, but it's not the same story at all. Uh, okay. The story itself is so bananas. It's just the fact that this guy was this world class MMA fighter who was also a robber, like a high level. Yeah.

Banks like they, I mean, you don't still like $90 million without him.

Do they have footage of that robbery? Is there video footage of it? I feel like they're security footage of it and they look nuts. Well, it looks like a movie. Like, you know, they might be fucking masks on.

Everything, the whole deal. It's just that when you think about that kind of a guy in that kind of a story. I mean, that is right up.

He's like that show mob land.

God. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good.

It's so like, it's like a movie that's like seven hours long. Or however many episodes there are. It's great. It really is great. Who is he?

Who's, do you have a favorite guy that you've worked with? He's got to be up. I mean, he's, yeah, if he, if he, him. I got to, you know, I got to work with Oliver Stone. Oh, that's awesome.

Which is like, you know, like sitting with the devil. I got a man. George Tillman Jr. A great director.

“I don't know if you remember that movie, men of honor.”

Yes. He's a great director.

There's a lot of, there's, I've gotten to work with some really cool David Ayers.

Really interesting. That guy's a tough. He, I don't know if you know his story. But he was, he's had a really dark past. But he, he was essentially, he lived on a submarine for like two years.

Like underwater. Whoa. Yeah. He's on my, you got some screws list. If you lived on a submarine for two years.

Under water for two years. Or fuck you up for two hundred years. Right now. I'm like, I'm just thinking about getting out. How claustrophobic you could get.

Like, I got to get out of this fucking thing. Give me out. You're squashing that party a brain way too long. Yeah. I could do that for an hour.

I don't even know if I want to get it in a submarine after I watched the.

The tin can they just exploded.

Oh, those people. Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, that's not wise. Doing you watched the recreations of what must have happened. They were just liquefied instantaneously by the pressure of the ocean.

That'd be a good way to go. Maybe better than a shark quick. This is like that. Yeah, but then people are talking about you like you're an idiot. Like you got in that stupid tin can.

You're a billionaire idiot. Even worse. I can't go down like that. Think about all these fucking people that would love to have it. Just a piece of your money.

So they could go have a margarita in your lake somewhere. Put a tin can. It's going to be great. I'm going to go all the bottom of the ocean. Tell everybody.

I looked through a tiny window and fuck you. Well, I had conversation with Cameron. And Cameron went. James Cameron went to the bottom of the fucking ocean by himself. No, no, that's not.

There's so much wrong with that.

“He would be like bottom of the mariana train, right?”

I think he's the, he holds the world record for like single piloted submarine vehicle. The deepest depths. No. And I also, I feel the same way about space. You know, I'm like, I'm a thing must fan, but I don't want to have any desire

Broke to go to Mars or go to space. Have fun. Have fun. You do that. Yeah.

Okay. I'm all good here on this planet. It must be awesome to be just. I would like to be in Earth's orbit once. Just to look down.

I bet some of them. Like the door. Well, you want to be cool. They say you have that experience. Like all these different astronauts have talked about it.

It's the overview effect that you, when you're above Earth looking down on it. It just, you like, oh my god, we're so fragile. It's all just us together. We have to stop.

We have to stop all this, like you do this. Realization of what we really are and what we're really doing. And I'll stupid tribal conflicts are. Like a world, I mean, yeah, we're a, we're a war. Yes.

This, yeah. We keep repeating the same cycle. It's sad actually. It's, it's. It's sad because eventually it'll probably happen again.

A world war. I mean, that's the, like, if you look at the math. It's kind of happening right now. It's like, what's going on in? Are we going to keep doing this?

I guess that's what we're doing. It's very disturbing. When you're playing a character in a period piece like that, what, what do you have to do in terms of, like, make sure you're behaving like they behave and talking like they've talked?

“Like, did you have to watch film of those old people?”

And you talk to a lot of people. In this case, this, this movie, you know, was about. Geez, the guys are, you know, most all passed away at this point. But I luckily got, got to meet a lot of veterans,

because I've done 20 years of doing a few war movies. So I've gotten to meet these folks and talk to them and hear their stories. See, like, sometimes the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories. And you realize the gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. There's so many heroes in World War II.

You know, so many people who did so many things that affect our way of life. I mean, and affect a lot of the world's way of life. I mean, all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German because of what happened. And so you carry like that weight with you. It can be, if it's a real, if it's, you know,

you know, the person you can watch tape on them, then you get a, you get that luxury.

And just trying to be as true as you can to that.

It comes with a cost doing these movies because not only you go and make them, but then you go and promote them. And you meet these people. I met one of the oldest living veterans. The other night at the Washington Archives in DC.

107 years old. Whoa. Colonel Stern. And got to hold his hand, you know? And really quite clear still had it, like, you mean, like,

shockingly when he spoke to me, I was like, oh, my gosh. But you could feel that generation that you could feel that, what he had been through. And he was, he was actually at the battle of the bulge. Whoa.

And you're like, oh, and then to him, have him tell us, like, we got it right.

“And that's what it's like, you know, but like brought me to tears.”

I was like, I was like, I was like, kind of like, those shook.

But so moments like that comes, you know, it's like, wow.

This is, this is a great responsibility. Tell this story. Now, can I imagine having a conversation with a hundred and seven year old guy who's been through war and the war was what? How many years ago?

In 1942. What is that? I'm going to ask you guys up. So he would probably put him in 20. Yes.

So he would have been like 84? Yeah. So he's four years ago. Yep. And he's still the most probably impactful thing that ever happened in his life.

Imagine that. Imagine you're a hundred and seven years old. And your life is kind of defined by something that happened 84 years ago. Yeah.

It's wild what they went through.

I mean, I mean, imagine. I mean, if they're like, hey, pack up, Joe. It's like, we're going to wherever it is. Like, I don't know, wherever we're going right now. And we're going to have to kill people.

And imagine the information you're getting. What are you getting? Newspaper articles on radio broadcast. Yeah. What are you reading?

The show. The guy you met. A battalion commander during World War II. Stern, his name was Senator Radcliffe. What is his name?

Herbert Irving Stern. That's his name. So it says a battalion commander during World War II. Stern was awarded the Silver Star Medal during the Battle of the Bulge for his actions. And April, 1945 while driving through Germany.

Stern has been discovered a concentration camp with 3,000 Jewish women. They liberated the camp, providing immediate relief to the prisoners and destroyed the facility. He's not amazing. Like, we have to celebrate these people. You know, like, imagine your overseas, your kid.

It's 1945. And you liberate a camp of 3,000 Jewish women. But they're being imprisoned. Yeah. It gives me chills.

It's thinking about a holy shit, man. Yeah. 35 years old. 34 years old. You imagine we could see with that guy seeing.

I mean, I don't know if we want to. And that would change your whole, change your whole world. Like, look on the world, man. I mean, but you just have to think that way, right?

“When you're playing these guys, you have to almost put yourself in their head.”

How hard is that? Like, what does that like? It just comes with, like I said, it comes with a cost. You, you go through an emotional journey. You, you pay a price.

You have to lend your own emotion and own grief. And whatever that is in your life, and you have to kind of relive some of that. And it's part of, you know, going through what it would have been like to see some of these atrocities, to see what it's like to lose your best friend, right? Besides you to lose people that are, you know, to see a concentration camp full of women,

that are, you know, probably skin and bones. And like, it's just, you know, makes you just so, it makes me so grateful for what we have. And where we're at? That's also, it's the humans capacity for evil.

When you're faced with it like that, it's so disturbing that people are capable of doing things like that. And that they still are. That they're still like to this day, right? Right now, somewhere in the world, there's human beings committing atrocities and killing people.

I know. It's, um, it's brutal. It's brutal think how savage we can become. Like, it's, and it's crazy. So you think about it, it's like, we're not far off.

You take water away for 72 hours. And we're dead. Yeah.

“So how quickly do we turn savage fighting each other if we don't have basic needs?”

Oh, yeah, the civilizations are very thin, Benier. Yeah. It's very thin. And it's very vulnerable. And I think most people are delusional.

And they're very well fed, very well fed and rested. And they don't have any idea how precarious this thing that we exist in is.

like you're forced to realize you're forced to encounter that reality of the human condition.

But sometimes, I mean, throughout history, that's kind of the defining moments of our past. And when you think about the history of the world, really you're talking about the history of war. You're talking about the history of war and conquests, invasions and conquests.

It's like the most of what we talk about when we talk about history. You know, we talk about the various wars and what happened,

“what was the result and who was the king and who did this?”

What was it over? Yeah. The resources. This war is really, I think, I think why it's so fascinating. Why World War II is still so fascinating is because

there is no ambiguity between right and wrong in that war, really. Right. What they were doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying. You know, they were exterminating innocent people.

And we came together as a World, you know?

Coalition and fought that evil. And that is very different than a war like Vietnam where we're like, why are we here or, you know, you're questioning what, what is this just a politically motivated thing? No, this was like, this was to save people.

Yeah. That is, that's very different. Yeah, we think of that as our last great war. That is the World War II in most people's eyes. It's the last just war.

Yeah.

“You know, we think it's like that's the one that needed to be gone.”

Because it wasn't just evil. People was evil people on meth, which is really crazy. When you, when we, I didn't know that until like a decade or two ago, that they were all on meth. And then we had Norman Ol, he wrote,

how do I say his last name, Or? Or he wrote this book, Blitzed. And it's all about the Blitz Creek when they went through Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Poland in like three days. Yeah.

And they was all meth. They just gave them meth. Yeah, that was in the beginning of the war. Yeah, yeah.

It's like 35 million doses of meth.

It's a nuts man. That is nuts. And they gave the guys the front of the lines, the most meth. The guys in the tanks, like you guys get the most meth. They wanted to just meth stuff.

Just driving for three days, killing everybody they see. And then when they ran into the people in France, they were all drinking wine. So like they're all chillin' and how they got just kept fucked up, man. Yeah.

It's just, it's not that long ago. And that's what's really scary. It is. It's super scary. Also, what was crazy about this movie.

And you know, I learned something new every time I do a war movie. I didn't realize there were German Americans living in America, like live out of life here. And when the war kicked off, there was a lot of them that went back to Germany and fought for Germany. You imagine that? How many? Like thousands. Whoa.

They went back and then they were spies. And they were, they, a lot of them spoke English, a lot of had the American culture. You know, they understood and they became like spies. And it was like, "Can you imagine doing that?" Fuck.

Fuck. Yeah. Imagine giving up on America to go back to fight for Germany. What? Like, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Center for the hell. Hold on. Hold the phone. Don't you know this spot is better? You should be fighting for this.

You fucking dumb ass. Yeah. Yeah. The people that are willing to do that. That's a different kind of brainwashing.

Yeah. I mean, I, you know, makes me think about some of the brainwashing we have nowadays. Like, and you kind of think like, "Oh, like..." You know, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff. And I'm not, I'm not a lot.

But I do see, and we were talking about it today.

“It's like, "How strong is the government to like brainwash?”

Know the M.K. Ultra stuff?" Like the stuff where it's like, you get like a patsier. Get someone to do something that you want them to do. Who kills somebody, whatever. Yeah.

That's like really terrifying. I think you're going to own thoughts and emotions. But also, if you find someone who's vulnerable, you can coax them slowly but surely into becoming a different person. You give them a purpose.

You give them a direction. Yeah. You can, I mean, they've done it before. It's not, they didn't stop doing it in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a product of that.

Yeah. If I had a guess, by some organization, I'm not saying it's the American intelligence agencies, but someone talked that young kid and they're getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction.

They professionally scrubbed his apartment.

“His apartment was professionally scrubbed.”

There was no silverware in his apartment when they went to examine it. All of his hard drives are gone, all of his computers were gone. He had more than one cell phone, which is very odd for a 20-year-old kid and had no social media profile. The whole thing was fucked.

Can you explain to me the theories going out, I was like the Charlie Kirk of it all? Because I know there's, I've heard a lot of stuff, and a lot of smart people that I respect. Like, there's something going on with that.

We don't know the full. Well, there's something going on with the guy being able to climb on top of that roof with a gun. Just dismantle it, put it back together again, and then dismantle it again and put it back together again. Like, the whole thing makes no sense.

They think they have footage of him in a backpack. So, but a backpack doesn't carry a gun. And so, the excuse was, oh, he dismantled the gun and reconnected it. Well, that doesn't fly.

So, the problem with that is anybody who knows anything about guns,

knows that you take a scope off a gun, you take the barrel off the gun, you take the stock off the gun, you take, you gotta put it all back together again. You might not be on anymore. So, you're going to have to, you're going to have to cite that gun in, right? And if you're going to cite that gun in, you're going to want to have targets to practice on.

You're not just going to take 140-yard shot or whatever it was, where you shot Charlie Kirk, not knowing if your site is on. Because I was hunting once, and I fell with my rifle, and we went back to the range to test it. It was off on a, so when you're shooting on a block,

so you're not moving at all, all you're doing is pulling the trigger. So, just to, to make sure that the gun is on, it was off by six inches at a hundred yards, just by moving from a fall, you know?

“And so, you have to check that, and then you have to cite the gun back in.”

You take a, you just take the scope off, and then you put it back on and screw it back together again. There's no guarantee that that thing's going to be accurate. And this kid's not like a marksman. He's, it's not like he's got a ton of experience shooting people

and shooting it at a distance. The whole thing is, it's gross. The whole thing sounds gross. The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is, where, you know, he's saying how he did it,

he's going to do it. They seem like AI made them. It seems crazy. And then, there's also the fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop.

Is that verified? The footage that was in a yogurt shop. It was like 20 minutes later. The guy's just chilling at some fucking frozen yogurt store. That seems weird.

What about this stuff with like the, the people that were like right around the shooting and stuff? And like, is there like some weird things? Well, there's a lot of people to think that someone, some of them were signaling for the shot to happen at a certain time.

That's a lot of bullshit. Seems like speculation to me because, you know, people move around all the time. People are in the crowd. I was standing there and I went like this and at that moment,

someone got shot. Okay. Now that a girl is making them out. Not of them. Yeah.

Or if you look at your watch at a certain point in that person, get shot. Like a lot of movements going on. You could attribute that movement to someone signaling. To me, what's weird is the actual wound itself.

So, a 30 odd thing versus an alien. Well, it's not a big enough hole. 30 odd six is a big rifle round. And to shoot a guy in the neck with a 30 odd six,

you would expect, first of all, you'd expect an exit wound.

And there's no exit wound. It just goes in. And it looks like a smaller hole. It doesn't look like the kind of hole that I would expect from a large rifle round.

I would expect it should just blow a giant chunk of his neck right off. That's a round that you shoot an elk with. It's a big round. And then there's a video footage of him from the back. And it doesn't look like there's an exit.

There's no exit. So it just goes in his neck and stops. It details about him being a dairy queen are very weird. It seems like he was at a dairy queen, but they don't know which one and the one

that thought he was at closed down weird, like a whole week afterwards. Okay, but he was there as footage of him at a dairy queen. Yeah, that just which one it was and when it was. Okay.

Either way. After you shoot Charlie Kirk,

“do you really go to a fucking dairy queen like this?”

It doesn't look lower. They think too. Oh, good enough. Right before you go to Charlie Kirk. I can't even get on the lizards.

You know, the lizards go out caffeine in it. I think it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk. He hasn't taken the stand. There's discrepancies between whether or not his family turned him in or whether or not he said he confessed to his family.

You know, I don't know what they're saying now. He hasn't even. There's an update as of June 12th and a hearing and this article says there hasn't been a plea entered yet.

That's crazy.

He is not yet entered a plea.

That happened in September. How is he not yet entered a plea? I don't know. Is that like. This is good.

There's one over details about keeping you in the limbo. The prosecution going on public talking about the. The bullet fragment found and then sustainability. Shouldn't have done that. There's a whole back and forth about that.

Hmm. I don't know. I don't pretend to know, but it just feels like there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure like you said, there's some bullshit where people are going to go. Oh, let me see you look and you're okay.

Come on. Tucker Carlson was just talking about it and he thinks that Israel killed him. He thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk. And then a lot of people saying that's ridiculous. And then how many people are getting paid by Israel to run cover and how many people

“are just saying that Israel did it without real evidence?”

I don't know.

But he was critical of Israel apparently in text messages and saying that he was going to get out of the Israel supporting business.

Hmm. I don't know what that means. You know, I don't. Okay. Because apparently there was also a long letter that he wrote to Netanyahu.

He's expressing his support for Israel. And so is that real? I don't know. It's so we know these days to just like nothing is a hundred percent real. Yeah.

Yeah. If it's a major news story involving anything significant, at least some of its bullshit. Yeah. And so we're all just sitting here wondering, did this kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because his position on trans people?

Is that really what we're supposed to believe? He was in love with a trans man or a trans woman rather. And so he shot Charlie Kirk because of that. Really? Do you think like a younger people don't have like a bigger distrust in the media?

I feel like now. It's like changing, so it's maybe for the best. Yeah, for sure. But I mean, this isn't even the media. This is the government.

“You know, this is the official position.”

Like they paved over the crime scene, like within days afterwards. That's weird. Yeah, but this is a lot of weird shit, man. The Thomas Crooks thing. They cremated him within days after he was killed.

You know, where's the toxicology examination? Where's the results? I want to know what kind of psych medication this fucking kid was on. Like, what was he doing? Like, what was happening?

Why did he shoot at the president? Why did he kill people in the crowd? Like, what the fuck was going on? And, you know, we don't ever get told. You know, this Tyler Robbins thing is a weird one, man.

It's weird. Just the gun itself alone. I've heard very varying depictions getting on that fucking roof with a gun going through the stairwell with a gun. He doesn't have the gun, so they get the gun up there already.

So they're saying it's in the backpack. So no, it's not. It doesn't fit in the backpack. Well, maybe the barrel's in his legs. He taped it to his pants. Fuck off.

Fuck off. You can't put a gun back together. You're going to make it that accurate. So I don't believe that. And then he took it apart and then jumped off the roof with it.

And then put it back together again in the woods. Is that what they're saying? I don't know if that's exactly what that's some version of it. But any version of it with this guy under a high stress, high adrenaline situations, taking apart a gun and putting it back together again.

Fuck off. Fuck off. I don't believe that. Yeah, especially some untrained. Yeah, I'm not a.

Hey, jumped off the roof afterwards and escaped. Like, okay.

The thing with which one is this is the first shooting.

The professionally scrub department. Mm-hmm. That's weird detail that doesn't seem to have accuracy. It says right here July 24th, 24th, House Homeland Security Committee hearing Rep Eli Crane said

he had received information that Crux House was scrubbed clean and even silverware removed before investigative units arrived. Crane entered the article, making the allegation into record and from there, professionally scrubbed and no silverware talking points, spread through blogs, forums, ex posts, and podcasts.

What officials have said? When Crane asked Pennsylvania State Commissioner Colonel Christopher Paris, whether the home had been extremely clean or missing silverware, where Paris applied that he had not been given any such details in his briefings.

But see, this is what I like. Does he live with his parents? This is what I like. You're fact checking yourself.

“And I think this is super important because people start,”

no matter what we're talking about, people start regurgitating their unneritive. Mm-hmm. And it's like, no, no, hold on. I could be wrong.

And let's fact check. Maybe, maybe, maybe I'm not wrong. So he was living with his primary residence. It says was his parents single family home. Did he have his own apartment?

He had a separate apartment. He said he didn't. It said he didn't. But it says primary residence. Well, I mean, that's what you call it.

But it says not in his own separate apartment. Does that mean he didn't have a separate apartment? The question did he have his own apartment or whatever. What about the apartment? Oh, I see.

I see. So I gave you that response. Right. The house in surrounding streets were searched and cordoned off by federal agents and bomb squads after the assassination

attempt. And investigators reported finding bomb-making materials there.

So in case it didn't work out with the gun, he had a bomb.

Did he think he was going to make it off the roof? I wonder what he thought. Thought it was shoot the president and just jump away. No one's going to notice. I think that snipers all over the place.

They took that guy out the moment he shot him. I wonder if someone talked him into doing it and convinced him that they had a way to get him out of there. Yes, that's the scary thing. Yeah. The mine control.

Like you said. Right. You know, especially if they're giving him drugs. That's my point about the toxicology examination. So a lot of people were very concerned.

They cremated him right away because if you got a hold of the toxicology examination and you found out that there were some drugs in there that they give people to influence them. Like maybe at LSD in a system. Maybe something else in some other psychiatric medications in your system that you would say, well, why was he giving this?

Is this something that we've done when we're working on mine control experiments? Are we still doing that? There was also metadata that connected a phone from DC to his house from like Virginia outside the FBI area where the FBI offices are. Back and forth to this guy's house multiple times.

Metadata from a phone. Can't say who's phone? Who knows? Probably nothing. Or don't they know?

He's also in a black rock commercial.

“If you want to find out who's phone that is.”

People could find out who's phone that is. It's all weird. There's probably a lot of people before the election that want to trump dead. Fill in the blank. Who do you think it might be?

But most likely somebody got a kid to try to do it. And he didn't pull it off. But he came close, scaring man. And then there's a real dummy who think it's staged. Which is so crazy.

Oh, I've heard that. I was hearing that and then let him nick his ear with a bullet. I'm like, what? Do you know how dumb that sounds? Do you have no idea about shooting things?

A distance. There's no way. Like it's a performative. What? What?

There's not a fucking chance in how that you can nick someone's ear with a bullet at that distance and be that accurate. You can easily blow half the fucking head off. And like what? They're going to take that risk to try not performative and what happens.

Kill the people behind them. Yeah, because someone did shot, right? One guy died. At least one person died. Another guy got shot really badly.

“And two other people I think are suing now.”

They're suing the government for negligence. Because of that shooting. Yeah, because they're permanently injured. Because they got shot. Wow.

Yeah. And the whole thing where the lady who's the head of the secret service was saying that they couldn't put anybody on that roof because the slope was too steep. Like what? And that didn't even make sense.

The slope of the building where the snipers were on was steeper. Made no sense. So it's almost like it was set up so that that kid could get up on that roof and take a shot. Look, it seems like the powers that be pulling some strings. It's all I'm saying.

Oh, wait. You know what I mean? Poinst strings. If you're not playing by their rules, you're not kissing the ring. I can holly with this.

You know what I mean? Hollywood is like there's a lot of that bullshit. There's a lot of that bullshit. A lot of that like kissed the ring and things. You're like, nah.

I ain't gonna do that. You know? You know? Dang. You know?

It's like that. Yeah. You let, you know.

“It's like, like you said, how bad do you want to be batman?”

[laughter] How bad do you want to be batman? If it cost me my soul. Maybe I'm good. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, good for you, dude. Good for you. You've achieved a nice balance in your life and work relationship. And I think that's very important.

You know? And like, I always tell people, like, he's like the normal sky.

You know, like the normal sky that's a movie star. Like that I know like every time I'm like, I'm like, I'm introduced to people. They're like, who's he? Oh, yeah. That's Scott Eastwood.

What? That's Clint Eastwood, son? It's like, like, he should, he's so normal. There's a lot of normal people though. There's some great ones.

Oh, yeah. They exist. There's some great ones. But they're a few and far between. Dude, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are fucking super normal.

Yeah. They're like regular guys when you talk to them. Manage to keep their as hard as it is. Yeah. Keep whoever it is that's them.

They, they're still that. Yeah. So kudos to them, kudos to you. And thanks for these vitamins. Yeah, I'm going to take them.

I'll tell you what's up. Tell me what's up. They suck. I'm going to tell you that too. I'm sure they're great.

I'm just kidding. North performance. That's what it's called. There we go, baby. And you movie like I'm lucky strike out tomorrow.

Okay. Beautiful. All right. Perfect timing. 250 years.

Celebrate the. Yeah, our veterans. Yes. Yes. Good luck with that.

Thank you. Congratulations. All right. I'm ready.