#2520 - Tommy Lee

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Hey, dude. Good to see you, man. Yeah, good to see you too. What's cracking?

“You got a diamond in your tooth, is that what's going on?”

Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, nice. That's fun. My friend Cam just got a gold tooth, and those given him a hard time, then I was like, damn, I think I won't

one. Oh, yeah, you got to get one. Dude, they're going to get a gold tooth. I have a car.

I want to buy-- I had a root canal.

I'm going to cap out of one of them. I think I'm going to swap it out for a gold tooth. Do it, do it, fuck yeah. Yeah, it's so cute. I got one back here somewhere.

It's just not little like-- I don't know, that little pirate thing starts to happen. Hey, you get one. I know, it's just a little outcasty. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So what's cracking, brother, how are you doing? I'm good, man. I'm-- it's stoked to be here. See you. Stoke does-- have you here?

Yeah, man, I-- shit, I wish I was staying longer now. But we'll make the best of--

“How long you staying, and how long you in town for?”

I'm leaving after-- Right after this? After you, yeah. We had it back home. Oh, my son is getting married.

Oh, congratulations. Thanks, thanks, which is such a trip, dude. You know, like, he's 29, and he's getting married. And I'm just-- I've been kind of tripping out on that, like-- Dude, where the fuck did that time go?

Right, and like, I'm so fucking happy for him that he's been seeing the school for seven years. I'm so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. I don't know what to mean, like, he knows, and they've been--

basically, they've been married.

They're just making it official now. And I'm just so happy for him, like I tell him all the time, like, so happy for you, dude. You know, you use some patience and some love, and like, mix it all around and put some time in there.

And you know, shit, you're survival rate. It's going to be way better, way better. And that makes me really happy. And you're happiness, right? I think if you're a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee,

and you leave that fucking crazy chaotic life, he's probably like, slow down, give me a fucking yard and a big advance, and whoa, don't believe it, totally.

“That's why, like, you know, in the drift of everything,”

really surprised, and I'm really happy. He just, like, pumped the brakes. That's awesome, like, make sure that what he's doing is the real shit. Yeah, I mean, especially in LA with a rock star dad,

it's like there's so many bad influences. There's so many ways you could go where you could just ruin your fucking life. But so easy to ruin your life if you're in the wrong circles. Dude, so easy.

All right, 'cause everybody else is doing it, too. You're like, hey, I guess we're doing meth. (laughing) I'm fucking just, I mean, I know people that are good people that have fallen down that rabbit hole,

and they're not bad people, they're not even stupid, man. They just made a bad decision for whatever reason, and then next thing, you know, they're all strong out. And it's like, LA is the hub of that. There's so much of that going on in LA.

Yeah, and if you are having any sort of shit magnet attached to you, you know, the shady friends, and most weird circles, you just cut out doors, all of a sudden, you're just fucking, oh. I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world,

but I think that's probably the most attractive to like crazy people, like that world. That is the world where if you're a fucking cook, like you gravitate towards that world, you know? It's probably so hard to find like sane, balanced people

that are, you know? - Yeah, they're shit together, it's almost impossible. So like you're just comparing yourself to the other chaotic people you're around, and you're the fucking drummer and Motley crew.

I mean, you're supposed to be normal. What the fuck are you talking about? What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life. It's the craziest life of all time.

You're fucking slamming the drums on stage in front of literally a say of human beings, singing along to your music. - Yes, nobody can understand that. - Oh no, man, yeah, they've seen it all.

They've seen it all. Like I put 'em to work out on tour, you know? Just so, you know, we could hang out and spend time. You're like, you know, get 'em a radio, all of a sudden, one of my sons is part of the lighting crew,

My other son is like, "All's he's worth,

“all he wants to know about is like, Dad,”

"I want to be in charge of all the aftershow passes. "I'll go out while you're playing "and I'm gonna hit all the chicks." (laughing) And like, my son is out there just,

just stack up passes, come on back afterwards, come on back. You know, then watching him like have just running it, right? It just like brings the tour to my eye, man. Oh, that's cool, that's very cool. When you look back, how much of a dream does it feel?

I mean, it's got to feel very bizarre that you, you know, every young guy who plays music wants to be in a gigantic band. They all want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens for you

and then you look back on it, like, how fucking surreal does it all feel? - It's dude, I pinch myself still, daily, literally. I'm just fucking, I don't know, man. I'm just lucky to be here.

I'm lucky I get to do this.

I always say to people, like, there's a couple of things

that are involved at that whole thing, there's some luck, some talent, it's timing of things. And those things kind of all line up. And it happens for you, and it just happens at fucking supersonic speeds where like a lot of it's a fucking blur.

“Like a ton of it's a blur, where you have to have somebody”

else, like, remind you, you're like, oh shit, that's right. I totally forgot we did that. You know, like, about crazy times. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's a trip, dude.

I spend a lot of time hanging on. - Right, fuck, here we go. Did you get a chance like when you're coming up to talk to any other rock stars that anybody give you advice on how to handle things?

Like, what, it's how weird it's going to be? - No, I'm trying to think of any sort of a mentor kind of dude on, like, how to survive the shit. - Like, no, pull Keith Richards aside and say hey, man. How about a few tips?

(laughing) How'd you do this? - He's still here. - But I saw them at Coda, at the circuit of the Americas, a couple of years back.

- Yeah.

- They were fucking incredible, man, incredible.

- Insane. - They're like, what is, how old is Keith? - Dude, dude. - Are they like 80? - He's got to be.

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(upbeat music) - Good for Aldi. - Dude, and let me tell you a fun, quick little story here. Molly Crew gets to open up for the Rolling Stones. This is on Halloween.

I forget what fucking year.

“But some stadium, I think it was Toronto.”

We got to open for them. And we're so fucking pumped. We're like, dude, are you kidding me? We'll get the fucking do this? Anyway, we play our show, back in the dressing room.

After we're done, the Stones tour manager comes into the dressing room and goes, "Tom, eh?" I was like, "Yeah, it goes, he goes, "Make a running key for like, see that." And I was like, "Brad, I fucking head over there."

Dude, this is 20 minutes before they're to go on. I go into their world and they bring a bartender around with them. So there's a guy set up just sling and fucking drinks. Mik isn't hammered, but fucking Keith and Ronnie.

Dude, they were fucking walking on their lips. I'm talking shitty like, "Hey, fucking ride, man." Falling over with their guitars. 20 minutes before they go on stage. I'm like, "How are these guys gonna fucking?"

I'm sorry. There's no way. No fucking way.

And all of a sudden, we took a couple of photos

and it was like, "Let's go to the stage and I'm like, "Oh, I gotta see this, I'm walking with them, right?" They get up there and fucking lights go out.

“Boom, they fucking, I think they started”

with start me up, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And it was like a switch flip. All of a sudden, those guys were fucking money. Like, 100% fucking rocking out. I was like, "How did they just go?"

And they're doing it for so long that they just, their masters of the controls. They're like, "Yeah, okay. "I guess we can get this amount of fucked up "and then we can go, like it's okay."

I think some guys just-- That was a crazy level, like, "I was, I saw that." You could barely talk. (laughing) And then they went up there and fucking broke it.

They just saw that. Some guys just wanna be fucked up to just feel the experience. Just to just ride it like a wild pole. You know?

Just wherever you go. So that's what some guys like to do it. I mean, I don't have to tell you, rock and roll music is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down

or a lot of guys like to get fucked up before they play. - Yeah. - You wanna see something fucking inspirational? I'm gonna show you something crazy.

- Always.

“- This is, have you seen Jamie, have you seen Rick Springfield lately?”

- I did just see him and I was like, "Well, I'm gonna send you a video "and it's gonna blow you away." This is literally bananas. This is Rick Springfield.

- If he's fucking like-- - He's fucking like-- - 76 years old, okay? - 76. - 76. - 76. - And he's saying in Jesse's girl, like he just wrote it.

- This is a video here. - And he's fucked up. - Yeah, play, let's start it, put the headphones on. - Bruh. - Put the headphones on and back to set for the beginning.

- Oh. - Whoa, I just sent it to Instagram. - He's real. - I just can't get the, click on the other link then the one that I sent you on Instagram.

Because you can't, first of all,

he looks fucking incredible.

Like he's working out every day or something. I mean, I don't even understand it. It looks like a 30-year-old guy. - Yeah. - And he's singing the song like he just wrote it. (audience cheering)

♪ I feel like I'm a bitch who ran ♪ - Bruh, 76. - Bruh. (audience cheering) ♪ I feel like I'm a bitch who ran ♪ ♪ I'm a dodgy bitch who ran ♪ ♪ Get up, feel so dirty when it's not time to kill ♪

♪ I wanna tell her that I love the gorgeous broccoli ♪ ♪ I'm a bitch who ran ♪ ♪ I feel like I'm a bitch who ran ♪ - Yeah, dude. - That's crazy. - Fuck.

♪ I'm a bitch who ran ♪ ♪ I'm a bitch who ran ♪ - Amazing, man. - Amazing. - That's fucking inspirational.

- Inspiration. - Bruh. - 76 years old, and passion and enthusiasm is what kills me. This is not a guy who's like just going out there and going through the motions.

- He's singing that song, you just wrote it. - Yeah, totally. - Fuck, yeah, Rick's Springfield. - Yeah, good job, bro. - Fuck, yeah.

- That's amazing. - Yeah. - I've been sending that to everybody, my fuck, yeah. - That is, I saw that. I saw that clip when I was like, whoa.

- A lot of people in there, 76 are basically waiting to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on, fucking crushing life. - It's still good, I love it. I love it.

That's gonna be me still 10 years old. - Fuck yeah, oh yeah. - Rockin' shit. - Well, I remember in the 80s, there were no old rock stars.

Like, no one was out there touring. That was an old rock star. - You're right. - And then the stones released the new album. I think it was like 88 or 89.

And everybody's like, wow, they're gonna tour again. It was almost like, aren't they done with this? Like, they're older now. And then it started being a thing where a bunch of older guys would like go out on tour

that hadn't been on tour in a while.

“And now it's not, and people like, why are we retiring?”

Like, why would I stop doing the most amazing thing

that a human being ever gets to do? - Yeah, that you love to do. - Yeah. - No, let me stop doing that. - It was like a thing with hip art, hip art is too.

They would get to an older age and people just didn't appreciate them anymore. It's like it was like a young guy's game. But now a lot of those older guys are going on tour too. And people were like, oh, these guys are fucking dope.

- Like I saw a run DMC went on, or excuse me, public anime went on with, I think it was Bruce Springsteen. I think Bruce Springsteen had them go up and one of his concerts. I'm like, fuck yeah, look at these dudes.

They're killing it. They're still getting after it. - That's the best man, you gotta love that. And I think that research, I don't know if you call it a resurgence or just that style of like,

there are certain things that were really great

And I really think that the way shit is now man, there is too fucking much. Like there's too much music. Like Spotify releases like 300 fucking thousand songs a day. Really?

Who the fuck is listening to all this music dude? I'm in the business, and if I can't keep up, how can a fan of music keep up? So I just, I think that the excess of, it's just static and it really blown a hole through

for, you know, original stuff, you know, really good stuff because a lot of the stuff is all kind of sounding the same now.

“But I just, I think that it's been a cool progression”

that's sort of fueled that. I don't know if I'm making sense, I'm kind of-- - No, you're making sense. - You know what I'm trying to say? - Yeah, there's so much static now that,

sort of something has to be undeniable to break through. - The authentic still fucking holes water. - Yeah, big time, and, you know.

Well, there's always like one song that all the sudden

resonates and just goes super viral 'cause people listen to a holy shit. - Yeah. - There's always gonna be something that's exceptional, but I do agree, it's impossible.

There's a lot of great music that I don't know anything about and then someone turns me on to it and I'm like, how the fuck did I not know this guy? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, and had your friend not turned you on to that, you would never fucking know.

- Well, there's no real radio anymore, right? - So how do you find out? When I was a kid, I was in high school, like with a new motley crew kit,

“so I'm came out, it was on the fucking radio.”

- Yeah, right. - And then you knew, all right, the new albums out, let's go get the new album, and that was with every major band. It was like, then you got MTV, MTV came along. Oh, the music videos out, the albums out.

But now it's like anyone can just put stuff up, you know, which is great, but it's also, it's all overall positive, because you have more artists, and more people that are doing what they want to do.

More people that are making music, which is awesome. But like, it's the same thing with movies. Imagine you had to watch every movie I've ever made. You have to be a million years old. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- So we've never finished exactly this.

- It's not enough hours in the day. - Yeah, it's the same, it's the same, musically, what's happening musically, it's happening with everything entertainment. - Yeah, that's what films,

ticket television shows, there's an abundance of like, it's just too much, how do people,

“people got these, you know, you know, TV packages”

where they've got subscriptions, 4,000 different places, and you still can't find anything to watch, you're like, what the fuck is happening here, everybody? We got to like, peel it back a little bit,

make it a little easier here. - So there's so many options. - It's almost like dating apps, right? Like, if someone, if some chick is chewing her food with her mouth, they'll be like, swipe.

You know, who's next? Like, people get, they don't get a chance to know anybody. And I think that's all the same thing with movies and TV shows. 'Cause if you're watching Netflix,

if you get bored for three seconds, you're like, fuck this movie, what else is on? Bit, bit, bit, you know? Okay, try this one. And you watch that for ten minutes, not fuck this.

I would like to see their numbers of like, how long people actually watch a show or a movie on Netflix before they shut it off. I bet it's way different than in the past. I bet in the old days, most people watch the movie

to the end. - Sure. - I bet now it's like, 20%. - Oh dude, if that. - Yeah, I'm just gonna say a little bit more.

- If that. - Yeah. - It's short attention span life right now. It's very, very bad for you. - Yeah.

- Sometimes you gotta just take something in. - And that affects the people who create the stuff because you realize, I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking six-year-olds here.

And if my shit isn't bangin' within the first,

whether it's a movie or a song or whatever it is, whatever your art is, if it's not fucking ripping your face off and grabbing your attention within three or four seconds, you're next.

- Right. - Right. - When that's just the world we're in, so then that affects people who make the stuff because they really gotta put the best shit up front.

Quick, or else you're gonna lose everybody. - 100%. - And that sucks. - Yeah, but they don't have to give into that. - Nobody's got time for suspense or,

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“- Well, think about some of the songs from the past”

that would never pass mustard today

that are just amazing classics, like whole lot of love. So whole lot of love, you have a minute and a half fuck sounds with symbols before it comes back to this insane guitar solo. - Yeah. - Right?

- Yeah, right. - Like you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like the most bizarre song ever. - Yeah, kind of drum solo we kind of. - Yeah, and in classically free bird.

When Leonard's getting released free bird, they're like, no, no, this song takes way too long to get going. It's so long, it's like a seven minute song. You got it. This is never gonna fly.

We also want the greatest anthems in the history of the world. And perhaps the greatest guitar solo in the history of the fucking human race. - Right, right. - You know?

- Yeah. - Free bird, when that dude gets going, you see live and everybody's,

“you know, the whole fucking place is going off.”

- No, great guitar solos in the history of the fucking human race. And their record company was like, it's too long. - Yeah. - People don't have any attention span for this guys. - God, even back then, people were fucking hatein'.

- Well, it's always the people that are the money people.

- Yeah. - Because all they give a fuck about is money. And you're in the creative side of it. And the money people are just pimping out the creative side of it. And they're just trying to get you to suck as many dicks

as they can because they want to buy a rose rice. - And they're like, "Oh, man, suck that dick, let's go!" - And they don't give a fuck about you or your reputation because then they got fucking nickel back over here and this guy over there and there's always a new band

they can push and pump. And so they just want to make the maximum amount of money possible. So they always have shitty advice. Because they're advice is based on making money. - Yeah, yeah.

- And for that reason, when we were on Electro Records, they were never allowed in the studio. - No one from the label. - That's awesome. We allowed them once and he came in and started making changes

or editing stuff or like, out, out. - Yeah. - You'll get it when it's done here. - Oh, God. - So gross, yeah, dude.

- And here's some guy making those kind of calls who has no, not a musician, has no idea about what key the fucking songs in. All he knows is it's too long. - Yeah.

- And we gotta get to it quicker. - Well, it's these people that have ego for no real reason. They're just kind of involved with other great creative people and that's what they sell. That's their business is a sell stuff that's awesome.

And somehow another they think it makes them awesome. (laughing) It's very weird, like, you know, Zach Bryan, he's got a great song called "Dam Cold Vampires" or "Cold Dam Vampires."

- It's a great fucking song about. - Fucking tone to us, dude. - It's a great fucking song. It's about the music industry and it's about these vampires that are just just sucking blood out of these artists

and it was a great song, the great line of song, trying to make an empire of the things that you create. They're making an empire from other people's work. And that's what they're doing. But they somehow another think that they're responsible

and that they have an insight. And they're, "I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee." And let me tell you something kid, "I know music." And that drum solo, 14 seconds too long. (laughing)

I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna show you these statistics. - Yes, we've got a guy, we've got the best guy, the best statistics guy he knows when people are to, and when they get to this fucking part of the drum solo,

they tune out, Tommy. We gotta stop him from tuning out. - Totally, 'cause I wanna get a cone is sag. I wanna get one of them fucking $2 million cars. (laughing)

These kinds, they exist in every walk of life where one person is like, you know, the creative type that's not business-oriented,

- Yes.

- So the business people come in, 'cause they're,

someone's gotta sell it, you're not gonna fucking sell it. - Yeah, what I'm gonna do, you're gonna make your own record company, your higher own executives, and do your own promotion, get the fuck outta here. - Yeah, you can't.

- So they come along and they get involved, and they fuck it all up. - Yeah. - And how many guys are playing for this guy? - And ruin their careers, 'cause they listen to 'em.

- Oh, man. - Do you know the Billy Squire story? - Uh, so Billy Squire. - So Billy Squire? - Because I think I--

- Billy Squire was the shit when I was in high school. - Yeah, that song, "Lonely Is The Night." - Oh my god. - I love Billy Squire. - Dude, the stroke, he was fantastic.

And he did one music video where it was like, very effeminate, it was like really weird.

“Oh, was it when it was, he was in his pajamas or something?”

- It was really weird. And everybody was like, nope. - Yeah, what he's he doing? - Yeah, it was really weird.

And to this day, I don't know if that was his idea

or somebody else's idea, they just took a wild chance. - Yeah. - I don't know. - No one knew. - I pray to God, it was his idea.

'Cause at least like he's creative, made creative decision, didn't work out whatever. - Yeah, fun. - But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in a song,

it was like, very, the reaction was crazy because this guy was like a sex symbol. He was like, you know, it was shirt down, it was, you know, open up down to his pants. - Yeah, yeah.

- And he was a badman on the fucker on saying his ass off. - Yeah. - He's a star, one music video tanked him. - I think it was my condolver. I think that was the song where.

- See if you can find what the video was. - This is it. - This is a documentary. It's someone made on the Facebook I found that. - About it?

- About this whole thing, yeah. - So like, this is it. - Yeah, so it was very weird. - What song is it? - Can you hear?

“- I will, yeah, we're gonna have to cut it up there.”

- So it was somebody else's idea, that guy with the face, that guy with the face is so, it's like, the guy looks like the guy. I don't think the guy's got to tell you. - Yeah, he's crawling around his knees

and his hands and his knees. - Yeah. - It was weird. It was very weird. - Fuck, what song was it?

- You know, like, if he was like, like, look at this, look at him skipping around and say it was a very odd, that guy. That seems like the type of guy that would give you the battle.

- Something me tonight, this is the name of the song. - I want to fuck. - I don't know, I'll look at this. - That familiar with that title. - Yeah, I don't know you.

- But I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That was it. - Remember that. - And everybody's like, nope. - Yeah.

- That's a wrap. - And that guy should have had, like, fucking 50 giant albums. That guy was amazing. - Yeah.

- Such an incredible singer, man.

- So round. - Rock me tonight. - 1984. - Oh. (upbeat music)

- Yeah, we'll cut that part up, but you can see him dancing around. - Like, look at this. - Yeah. - Don't do that, buddy.

What is this? He's like, yeah, what? - Don't do that. - Yeah, we need you on the ground. - It's warming around.

- Hopefully, hopefully it was his idea. - Yeah, and he was just like, my god, if this was somebody else's idea. - I want you to be looser. I want you to be looser.

I want you to be more free. - Yeah.

“- I want you to be like, I want to feel it.”

I want to feel, I want to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees. I want you crawling. - This is what I want you to do. I want you to like this.

Like, you barely can crawl. Like, you're having a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl. - Yeah, that's the only one.

- Oh, my god. - Oh, my god. - Did you do it? - Oh my god. - What did you do to him?

- Oh, no. - I hope it was his idea. - Despite its major success, as long as sometimes associated with the end of his career, as a single musician due to the music video,

which was described as one of the worst ever. In 2011 book, I want my MTV, the unsensored story of the music video revolution. Show a square dancing around a bed with pastel colored satin sheets

and wearing a pink tank top. Squires concert ticket sales immediately declined, and he later fired his managers. He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept,

which Ortega denies. While Squire remains steadfast, the video was solely responsible for the initial decline of his popularity. Other commentators are less certain.

Well, I'm pretty certain. I remember it. I remember kids in high school going, "What the fuck bro?" - Yeah.

- The fuck is Billy Squire doing bro? - That's just gay bro. His Billy Squire was the man. I mean, yeah. He could have been another John Mellon camp.

He could have gone on forever. - For sure. - Well, like, what the fuck dude? 84, one song, one music video? - Ah, insane.

- That is really crazy if you think about it. - Yeah, that's not, it's not. Well, that's the craziest thing about we think about, like, the success of Motley Crew.

the fact that you guys endured for so long,

“like still to this day, bro, if I'm working out in the gym”

and kickstart my heart comes on, I swear to God, I get stronger. (laughing) (singing) (singing)

- Fucker! Like you get pumped, man, that's, that's, that's all I'm saying. - Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you how fun, how rewarding that is to, like, sit back and like, I don't know, the super bowls on and the fucking kick off

you. - Oh, boom. - Oh, boom. - Yeah, we got to cut it out, but I want to hear it. Throw kickstart my heart on. We'll cut it, we have to cut it out for you, tell 'em the little bit we'll get docked with the fucking money

people coming involved.

Meanwhile, we're just promoting music, God damn it.

- With Tommy Lee, you motherfuckers. - Yeah, right? - But this is just fucking here. - This fucking song, I was just alive.

“Don't even rely on, give me the actual one.”

- Bro, that was one of the most American songs ever been made. - Ever, ever, ever. - That song is fuel, you know, that song is fucking fuel. If you were running in a race and you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones,

you're like, "Let's do the fucking go!" "Let's fucking go!" - You know, like, songs like that, they really do give you energy. They really are like a drug. - Yeah, they're definitely, they're injected.

- Yeah, like changes your state, you know? - Yeah, I love that one, it's not fucking wild the power that music has, like the right kind of song. You know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than like, I get fuck, I get fuck, goosebumps, bro.

With something comes along, it just gets inside you. - Yeah. - It's fucking infectious, and all of a sudden you're like, "Dude, it's taking over my whole body. I'm fucking tingling."

- Yeah. - Here's standing up, and you're like, "What is that?" - Yeah, "What the fuck is that?" Like, "I want to fucking bottle that up and try to recreate whatever that is."

- Yeah, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies. They just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like,

it's one of the most amazing creations

that human beings have ever done. One of the most amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is that it's just making credible music. Because it's one of the things that it affects us

in a way that, like, nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over again. Like a great joke is awesome, the first time, but after you hear it the second time, it loses a little of its power, the third time,

it gets a little boring. Of a great song, I could listen to that, how, sometimes when I'm working out, I just put something on repeat. I'm like, "Oh, I just want to hear this song

"one song over and over and over again." - And just don't wear the fuck around. - Wear that fuck around, I don't care. It's so good, I don't give a fuck.

“- I just want to feel, that's what I could go.”

And every time it comes back on, fuck, and we're back. It changes the frequency of your actual soul. - Yes, your body gets moved by it. - You feel different. - You, I want to ask you a question

'cause you're in all this fucking crazy shit. I saw somewhere recently, and this just goes along with that feeling, that you fork feeling you get when the right notes are frequencies hit you.

I saw that, through sound, certain frequencies, like some dude in China, some doctor in China, or as a Japan, has this close to healing fucking cancer through sound, through frequency. Real, have you, have you heard enough?

- I haven't seen any of this. I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't die there because, you know, I'm just fascinated to me because there is those frequencies out there that you know about them, 432, 432 Hertz,

you heard about that stuff. Explain to people, so, well, it's just, there's some weird, what do you call it? Conspiracy theories about, originally, our music, like Bach Beethoven, back in those days,

was tuned to 432 Hertz. And this is the conspiracy bullshit part about it. At some point, and people say Hitler changed the tuning the pitch of music, and now everything was raised to 440 instead of, you know, 432.

Instead of 432, now it's at 440, it's up, and the frequency is more aggressive, and it was said that it was done to give the soldiers,

correct this music.

“- Well, they were also given a math, excuse me.”

- They were also given the math.

- Yeah. - Between math and kickstart, my heart fucking so much of the nuts and kicks out my heart. - We're doing a real problem. - Dude, no, no, kickstart my heart in German. - Yeah, oh my lord.

- Yeah, that would be a real problem. - I'm just curious, because I know that you're into that kind of stuff, if the any sound therapy or healing through frequencies, if you've heard any of that stuff. - Well, I know people do sound baths,

where, you know, they'll do these meditation experiments where they lie in their back, and they have someone that it's making sounds, and there's something to it. Just to think about what we're saying with kickstart my heart,

like when you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel. It changes your feeling, it gives you more energy, it really does. So obviously, sound has a profound effect on the human body, and it's not just like you enter.

“There's a lot of aspects to a great song, right?”

It's the sound, it's also the messaging that's in the lyrics, it's like, there's a lot going on, the voice of the singer, the visuals of everybody fucking rockin' down on stage, sure. That also contributes to it,

but the actual sound itself is affecting your body in a very profound way. And I wouldn't be surprised that there's ways that sound could provide like therapeutic benefits to people that are injured, that are healing, sickness.

I'm sure, I mean, if you were lying in a hospital bed, and you felt like shit, because you just had surgery, but you're listening to some dope music. Wouldn't that be better than just listening to people moan in the next room?

Oh, wif, wif, wif, get me out of here. Yeah, you're inputting something, something nice. Should be a part of your recovery. Yeah, I'm sure. Getting positive vibes in, getting like things

“that give you good feeling and good energy.”

I do that all the time, and I'll sit at home. If, you know, when you're in the mood to not really listen to music, but hear music, where it's just playing in the background, and I'll just put there's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens

in Kyoto or whatever, and there's like high-deaf shots. So these just beautiful, you know, bonsai trees, coi ponds, big Milwaukee bonsai. Like, and it's just so chill, and with that music, and I just put it on, it's kind of on a lot, actually.

And I find myself, that's where I go to, like, just like, I don't know. Yeah, puts you in a different state, puts me in a different space, you know, I dig it, man. You got really into bonsai.

Yeah, dude, how did that start? All the, all the times that we've gone to Japan,

every time I went there, I always went to the,

to the Japanese gardens of the temples. And I just walk around and just be like, my jaw on the floor, like, I've never seen anything. This fucking peaceful and beautiful, and just, like, I don't know, it just came over this feeling

every time I went, I came over me. And I just, so I started studying. Yeah, this is like eight years ago. I was like, I need this in my life somehow. I don't know what this is, but let me go down,

you know, down the, down the tube here and figure out what that is and how I can get this, some of the send to my life and I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work on trees. And I started and I haven't stopped.

And it's been hands down, the coolest fucking thing I've ever gotten into, man. Like, I'll be out there for hours every day. Like, I'll start my day just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on.

And I got like a workshop, dude. It's like a, there's like, it means progress, works on the bench. There's other ones I'm bending. There's ones that I'm, you know, treating for pests. You know, there's, it's a whole world

and wiring everything, training it to where you wanna go, pruning, it's just, it lets me escape everything for a couple of hours. I just, I just, I don't know, man. I just, I check out.

How many years have you been doing this now? - I've been probably eight years now. I've been doing it in eight years. And so, is a bonsai tree a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it?

- Yes. - Yes.

- Okay, and then you can get it to this incredible,

beautiful, artistic shape and your small. - Yes, it's, you're basically, you keep kind of dwarfing it. And then everybody gets this confused and they just think bonsai is like, that's the tree. Bonsai means tree and pot.

- Okay.

- It doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree.

It means tree and pot. - And how long is the study of bonsai? How long is the practice been around? - Do it, I have no idea. And you find that other parts of the world

now that you get into it, I mean there's an entire one and China, there are some fucking insane bonsai

“and I think it actually originated in China”

and the Japanese took it and all of it in ways and did it there sort of their version, but I think it originated in China if I'm not mistaken. - Something like that, yeah.

- Sixth century China and then they brought it up. - Yeah. - See, you've got that lamp in. - Fuck, dude. - Wow.

- Fucking wikily over here. So don't you have a tree that's 300 years old? - Yes, I do. Over 300, I have, I have two of them that are over 300 years old.

- So someone was working on them over 300 years ago. - Well, either that or was collected maybe 100 years ago and then over that time it's just constantly been cut back and cut back, like what you'll do. - But it's a part of a tree that's 300 years ago.

- Yeah, it's still, it's the same tree.

- Right, but it's just, it's never been,

“it's always getting its roots cut. - Is that it?”

- Is that your tree, the 300 year old tree? - No, no, no, that's just a small juniper that I have. - It's beautiful. - The 300 year old one is a redwood. - Wow.

- It's fucking truck on, it's like this and it's smashed into a pot about this big. - That seems rude. - It's about that point. - It's a redwood and it seems rude

and if you go to like Northern California and you go to the redwood forest, yeah, they're fucking spectacular. - Yeah, those things are wild, the same. - That redwood forest is so incredible.

There's the one that you drive through. - Yeah, yeah. - Yes, they cut a hole in it in like the 1920s or whatever. - It's really good.

- I can't believe they did that, but the tree's still alive and you drive through the tree. It's so crazy. - Yeah, that one I showed not too long ago in an exhibition.

- Oh, so you go to bonsai shows. - Yeah, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on, I'm done too so far. I just now, just like this year, entered a couple of trees. - That's awesome.

- So rest of these other seven years or eight years of practicing is just learning, you know. - What a cool hobby. - Yeah, it's fucking rad, dude. - It really is.

- It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star. - Totally. - Like what? - Great balancing tool.

- You know, I know man, it's interesting 'cause a lot of, you know, my peers, musical buddies, like, they're all of them super interested. They're like, dude, what's up with the bonsai? Like, they're curious, they want to know

'cause maybe they've seen me, you know, maybe change a little bit over the years or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me

“in there. - Yeah, I think I want some of that.”

- I'm not sure whether there's something about because then garden that you associate with, like, bonsai and peacefulness and clarity. - Yes, you know, just peace of mind, just clean mind. - If your mind is pure, you're like,

you're really in the moment, rather than just being a fucking mess ordering Uber Eats. - Just, you know what I mean? - Yeah, dude. - There's something that's very spiritually attractive

to people about those practices. - Yes, and that's it too. It really has a lot to do with the culture of all of it. Like, when you start the one down that hole about design and all that stuff, you start to realize

that everything, at least the Japanese, do is with such fucking purpose, like, you'll notice, and I didn't notice this stuff until later, I was like, oh, I get it now. There's serious rules about how they build a design garden.

You'll never find a straight path, ever.

I don't care how far you look. You'll never find a straight path going through a design garden. They specifically, strategically, curve the path to slow you down when you get to, when you get, when soon as you walk into a garden,

the number one objective is to get you to slow the fuck down. And there's no straight path in everything. You don't, nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner.

So you're always, even if you're going across a lake or a pond, there's never a straight, very rarely a straight bridge.

There's never a straight line.

How that's what that's meant to do is get you to stop at each corner and look out and just take it in, if fucking be present. And that's to me, it's like, that's the deeper meaning of all this for me.

It's really got me to slow the fuck down because everything's just kind of, all the time. So that, it's just, I don't know how to explain to something, it's hard to explain that state,

“but that's what I get from it in every day.”

It's the best way to start your day, man. It can only get fucking amazing after that because you kind of set yourself up for having a fucking super-roud day. Like, I do know what I mean, like I'm good, let's go.

- Right, well, it makes sense. I mean, there's something about those Zen gardens. It's so attractive to people. - Yes. - It's obvious, there's something going on

with that design, with that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together. - You're exciting to people. - And you see it, man, I don't know if you've noticed I'm, you had to notice.

You see it in a lot of the, like, newer architecture, lot of fucking designs and homes are being built with that sort of very minimal Japanese flavor that is just meant to have your home be a peaceful place and not like a fucking museum.

- Right. - Right, right, right. - Right, right, right. - Yeah, yeah, it's more, it's more peaceful. Like in the actual design itself,

versus like somehow it's a big giant ass fucking windows overlooking the big city in fucking rocks everywhere and like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I've had that, I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views

and I mean the view, it's just kind of a view, it doesn't really do anything. It's very different than having a beautiful winding sanctuary to cruise through, you know. - I think nature is very therapeutic

and if you can put nature in an artistic form like a zen garden, it's very therapeutic. That's a way better view, the view of nature is a way,

always a way, look, whenever I go to New York City

and I'm staying in a hotel in the middle and you'll see all the buildings like, wow, this is crazy in the center of it, this is fucking dope. But I don't want to live there. - Right, right, right, I like to visit,

I don't think it's good for me at least, I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there. - You like to see trees. - Yeah, like to see nature, like to see green, like to see things that are alive.

That makes me feel better. - Yeah, you know, it's funny dude,

“I tell people like, I think I was a fucking tree”

like in a past life because I'm like, maybe you are a tree too. I'm like, I don't know if you're like, this and gnarly about it, but every time I go into a city, the first thing I look at is the trees. Like whether it's a big city wherever,

I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for. I don't look at the buildings, I don't look up and work down.

I'm always like looking for the tree.

- Yeah, it's just, I don't know man. - Well, human beings are very connected to plants, where they're very connected to nature, period. - It's one of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did

is make Central Park have that giant park. It's an enormous park in the center of the city. I was staying at a hotel last year and it was like on the edge of the park and from the window you look out,

you see the whole park like straight up. This is fucking incredible that they did that 'cause it's so big and it's just trees. It's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything and go wander around.

Like hey, get the fuck out of these buildings for a while and it's like for a person living in New York City, having that right there in the center is gigantic. I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all.

It would make them all better, you know, feel better. - It's a little center retreat, man. - Oh, an amazing one. - Yeah. - It's fucking huge.

How many acres is Central Park? Let's find that out. - Let's guess. - I'm gonna guess, a thousand acres.

“- If I had a guess, maybe 2000 acres, how big is it?”

- 843 acres. - So it's this amazing huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world and you're see all these giant crazy fucking buildings and then none of them from the center.

- It's beautiful. - Fucking props to those people or whoever that didn't sell that space. - How many fucking vampires would you take over that

- We don't need 800 acres, 500 acres.

“- That's 120, plenty plenty plenty plenty plenty.”

We'll just make those 500 acres even better and no one's gonna complain. - Yeah, but a bunch of money. - Yeah, hats off to whoever. - Whoever we're gonna do.

- Yeah, held that down, gonna know them, man. - They've lost a few parks. That's one of our shows that we do with Irish fear, Shane Gillis, and Mark Norman is protect our parks.

- Oh. - But we're not really protecting parks. We're just getting drunk and talking shit. - It's called protect our parks because Ari, I'm one of the early episodes, was ranting and raving

about they're gonna fucking take down this park and turn it into apartment buildings and they wound up doing it, they killed the park. - Oh man, vampires. We'll suck out all the trees and just make money,

these dirty bitches. - Oh man, pretty soon everybody's gonna have no place to go, man. - Yeah. - Well, I think Central Park is safe

and that's the greatest park in the world. - Yeah, it really is. - The greatest park in any city in the world. - So crazy, you mentioned that because on the way here I was flicking through Instagram and I saw,

sorry that this happened.

“Some dude got killed, that one of the horses”

took you know the horse and buggy thing. Just fucking launched and you see the dude the horse flips the cart and the dude gets flung out and he dies and died on the way to hospital. - Why did the horse freak out?

Do we know what happened? - I don't, it didn't show it. It just showed like somebody else's had footage of it. Like just the horse freaking out and then peel it out and you'd see the thing flip over and you're like,

oh man, dude, you know, I love horses and I'm not a fan of horses walking around the city. I think it's fucked. - I get the people think it's romantic to ride in the back of a buggy with a horse.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's not right. - No, horses supposed to be in the fucking fields and the mountains. The horse supposed to be running around

and he's clicking around on the asphalt. - Oh dude. - Fuck all that. - They're not like it. - It's just a gross touristy thing.

I mean, it's cool to see them every now and then. - Yeah, I know cops like to use them when they break it up riots and shit, just kind of crazy.

But the reality is, a horse is not supposed to be.

“They're just like a cow's not supposed to be there.”

If you had cows walking down the street, you'd be like, why this fuck is this cow's? - It was likely an accident because the driver, yeah, the driver, I guess they call him, wasn't, dude, damn it's spot,

like left to see. - What? - Yeah, he left to see. - I remember supposed to see this to take maybe a photo of the passengers in the carriage

and when the family was climbing back in, the horse got spooked. - Oh no. - He just happened very fast, but. - Yeah, the driver's not in it.

The driver's not in it, dude. It just peels out. - Oh, fuck, man. - And you see it, just go and just made a, make kind of a hard right in the buggy, just.

- Oh, fuck. - Flip over and cut. - I don't fuck with the horses, man. - Yeah, dude. - I don't ride 'em.

I have written a horse before, I don't like it. - Dude, I've been, same here, done it. I got my ass thrown off on. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I was like, I'm good, I'm cool.

It just not was fun. - It's just, I mean, look, if you're a cowboy and you ride horses and everything, that's kind of a different thing. - Sure.

- If you're doing it every day, that's different thing. But for me, it's like, I don't need to ride 'em. I get it. - For entertainment purposes. - It's like, I went to Thailand

and we rode elephants, we had to ride elephants. And the elephants don't mind 'cause you establish

a relationship with them first.

You feed them sugarcane and you pet them and you hang out with them, they decide whether they're not your cool. And if you give them like peaceful, gentle, friendly energy, they're like, sure, come on up. - Go and lift your leg up and you step on top of them

and you climb on their back. - And they gently take you through the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that. I could have just hung out with them. That'd have been plenty cool.

I'm happy just feeding them. I don't need to ride 'em. - Yeah, yeah. Like King Chimp. - King Chimp on their big ass fucking elephant.

- Oh, okay, I mean, it's very weird. - Yeah, it's weird. But, you know, people like it and they're beautiful animals. - Oh my God, they're beautiful. - I don't need to ride animals.

I get it. People want to do it. I don't have a problem with people doing it, but it's not me. - Yeah.

- I'm happy to look at 'em. - I'm with you. - Yeah. But horses and people have like a crazy relationship. You know, people that have horses,

like they're bonded to that animal, like no other animal. - Oh, yeah. I know a few that are just like horse whisperer kind of shingling where you're like, whoa,

this is some next level of love. - Yeah, they do a lot of. - There's a therapy with that too. - Yes. - Yeah, a wine therapy for a lot of people.

- I did that one time. - Did you? - At a rehab, they took us to have like a couple of days with horses and it was cool, man. - I get it.

- Yeah. - Well, again, it's like just like the trees and the forest, it's like something peaceful about horses.

- Yeah.

- Mostly, most of the time,

“especially if they're broken, they're pretty chill.”

They just want to hang out. - Yeah. - You can come up and pet them and they like it. - And it's like, whoa, like whoa. - Yeah.

- Put the unchecked. - They're big ass teeth freak me out. - Oh, no. - You don't like it. - You don't like it.

You're fingers and they're dude. - People have been bitten by 'em too. - Shalper's. - If your peep someone's a dick, you get a horse annoyed and they bite you.

- Yeah. - Bro. - Oh, dude. - Yeah. - That's got a fucking...

- Can you imagine? - Oh, that jaw power. - Dude. - You're fucking head? (laughs) - Just clamping down your hand.

- Fuck you. - I want a carrot bitch. (laughs) - Give me the fucking carrot. (laughs)

(laughs) - That's so rad. You can smoke in this. - Oh. - Yeah, smoke cigars.

- Of course. - I'll fire up with you. - All right. - Mm. - How long have you been smoking?

- God. - Forever. You ever try to quit? - I have. And I quit for as is a few years of go.

I quit for like fuck. I almost made it a year, and then I was like, "I gotta get a feeling after a few months "you're out of the woods?" - Yeah.

I don't know. I just didn't last. (laughs) - It just didn't fucking last, man. - We'll brought you back.

- You know what? Probably 'cause I was drinking at the time. Like, they kind of go hand in hand. - Right. - If you're a cocktail or a beer or whatever,

you're having a smoke chances. - Right. - Chances are. - Right. - And I don't know, man.

I was just sitting there and you're having a drink and you're like, "Where's the cigarette?" It's just, I don't know. They're like rock and roll. They just go together for some reason.

So, I failed. - Well, why did you quit originally? What was the, what was the top behind it? - Um.

“- I think I was just trying to quit fucking everything.”

You know what I mean? - Oh, that's it. Fuck everything. I'm just gonna take a break and fucking hit the reset button on everything.

I think it was going through that phase 'cause I hadn't ever tried that. (laughs) Try to everything else, but nothing. And yeah, I don't know, man.

It's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery. - Yeah, and then you got, and then, you know, you got guys like Keith Richards, who's just ripping cigarettes still, and you know, I'm like, "He's fine."

(laughs) And I'm like, "I've gotten, I've gotten my fucking, "my lungs and done the whole, like, prenuvo, "but like, body scan, the sea, all your shit." And they're like, "You're good."

I'm like, "Are you sure?" - Wait, let me see the paper work. There's a different leaves or a different guy like, because that's fucking impossible. They're like, "You're good."

I was like, "All right." So there's really no reason to quit. - Well, it's actually a very small percentage of people.

Well, first of all, it's a very small percentage

of people that get lung cancer, the general population. And then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small percentage of cigarettes smokers that get lung cancer. But more cigarette smokers get lung cancer

than regular people.

“And so that's why when you look at the percentage of people”

that get lung cancer, that smoke cigarettes, that's why it looks so high. So if you like, let's find the numbers, put it into proplexity, please. Let's what percentage of cigarette smokers get lung cancer.

And I think it's less than 5%. I think it's a very small number. And then you gotta think, people that are smoking cigarettes, how many of them are smoking two, three packs a day? - Oh yeah, that's crazy, I don't know.

- And how many of them are smoking just a few cigarettes a day? I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that are a little hesitant, they only smoke like a half a pack, or a little bit less.

- Yeah. - Like, so what does it say, Jamie? - It's still calculating? - No, I thought it was tightening itself. - Oh, sorry.

Isn't there something about, like, nicotine, like, when COVID happened, they were like, if you were a smokeer, you're good

and I never got fucking COVID.

- Yes, and it's like, yeah, nicotine. - Well, there's something about smoking cigarettes, it's supposed to be really good to prevent COVID, and it's really confusing to feel so crazy. - Yeah, 10% to 20% of people who smoke

at some point their lives will develop lung cancer. With many studies landing about 15%, I thought it was a lot less than that. Large study estimates that 15 out of 100 current smokers will get lung cancer over the,

but that's estimated from a study, another analysis found roughly one in seven current

People who never smoke have a one to two percent chance,

or a lifetime risk of lung cancer. Yeah, people who never smoke.

“Overall, only a minority of smokers get lung cancer,”

but smoking still causes about 80 to 9% of lung cancer deaths. Oh, this is something we talked about yesterday, Jamie, that we forgot to look up. There's some sort of a study that's connecting people

that live in Europe that have high polyphenol diets, so they use a lot of olive oil in olive oil, seems to protect, and it's a very controversial statement, because people think, oh my God, you're promoting cigarettes. I don't think they're promoting cigarettes,

they're just looking at data that these people that have high olive oil content in their diets, seem to not have any problems with cigarettes, or not have nearly as many problems. Oh, wow.

Yeah, which makes sense, 'cause olive oil so good for you. You gotta think it's gotta balance out a lot of the free radicals and bullshit that you're getting from life. You gotta make sense that it would apply to smoking as well.

You totally.

Yeah, that's, yeah, that's so smokey.

If you got a fucking idea. Get some extra virgin olive oil, let's fucking go. Don't dip 'em. (laughing) Dip 'em like sure. Have you ever tried Sherman?

A long time ago. Did you?

“Yeah, I'm fucking high school days, man.”

People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets, but smoke still face the full, very high health risks, smoking diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage. It can only modestly improve overall risk markers, but there was an article that I had read

that they were connecting it. They were talking about Europeans. Yeah, here it is. Especially meditative urine rich plant diets consume substantial polyphenols from fruits, vegetables,

and whole grains, tea, olive oil, and wine. Holly polyphenol intake is linked to more to a better cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long-term heart disease risk and overall mortality in observational studies.

'Cause that's the other thing about cigarettes. It's not just cancer, it's also heart disease. And so polyphenols have antioxidants and anti-inflammatory effects, but current evidence does not show

they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or a lung damage risk from smoking. What it means for smokers. And haters. (laughing)

We have to have some vices. Most of the people I know that in alcoholics and animals, they fucking drink coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes. Yeah, big percentage of them.

Ripping cigarettes. Yeah. 'Cause it gets you a little high. Yeah. But it's like a very manageable high.

Yeah. Like the cigarette high is like, oh, I'm all right. Yeah, it's just like a little light headed. Yeah. Okay.

But also like good for cognitive function. You know? Oh, like, you know, pink Floyd when they wrote the wall there at highest fucking cigarettes.

Those guys smoke cigarettes all day long. What? Yeah. Yeah, those dudes smoke the ton of cigarettes. Get out of here.

Was that coffee dude? Get in there. Fuck yeah. Thank you bro. Yeah.

Yeah. Tony Hitchcliffe told me that and he's a giant cigarette fan. Stephen King said that, too. When he stopped smoking cigarettes, it affected his writing. Oh, whoa.

Yeah, I said a sydnapsis just didn't fire us fast anymore. Whoa. It's like that was one of the things that I really noticed when I quit smoking. That's wild.

Yeah. Huh. Didn't that make sense, though? Yeah, it does. I remember quitting for a short time there.

I remember everything tasting better. I was like, oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Of course. It's pounding the cigarette and me to follow every single meal or drink. It's got to numb the inside of your mouth and somewhere dull your senses. It's something.

You're caking it with smoke. Yeah, it's gross. Yeah. Clock up the old taste receptors. Yeah, dude.

Yeah. But a lot of creative people's wear by cigarettes, man.

“I think there's, there's some benefit to it.”

Yeah. Hopefully. Now I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit. There's just way too many like super creative people and a lot of intelligent people,

a lot of professors used to back home.

David Gilmour says he never smoked cigarettes.

David Gilmour. But didn't Roger Waters. He says this, I think, goes on to say that some of the band did smoke cigarettes, but it's more about their marijuana and hashy smoking. Oh.

Oh, so Tony here's Cliff spread misinformation and here I am repeating it. I mean, he could have been told though. Yeah, I'm sure he was told it. Well, Roger, yeah, we all did hang out with Roger that one night. That was pretty dope.

We got to see Roger Waters live and we came on the podcast, we hung out and then we went to see his concert. It was insane. Oh, it wasn't insane. I bet it was fucking wrong.

He had another legend, it was still like full power on stage.

That's the best. The show was amazing. And it's like he has these enormous screens behind him.

So the show is like, it's the music, but it's also these incredible visuals that you're

watching while the music is playing. Yep. And his is so politically loaded, so it's, you know, you see all this crazy shit, like while he's singing these songs, like when they're playing the wall, it's like, oh, yeah.

“I remember seeing one of those tours, I think maybe it was, I don't know, but the wall”

is slowly building over the whole. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. So Ari was high as fuck on acid and he's crying in the middle of the show.

He's crying. It was fucking phenomenal. Oh my god. Dude. I don't know if I could handle that.

Yeah, I don't know either. Jesus. I just kept the fuck out of here with the acid. We're just going to go see the concert about doing that. Yeah.

Dude. Fuck. Around all those people. And I'd probably, I don't know if that'd be a good one. Probably not a good one.

Ari's a experienced passenger. You know what I mean? He can ride some waves. Good boy. He can ride some waves without throwing it up.

Do you ever look back and just say, God, it's a wonder I'm still alive? Dude, that told you earlier, I pinch myself on a daily basis. I'm really do. Like I shouldn't technically be here. Right.

Maybe you shouldn't. You know, who knows that we all got our thing, but I'm really lucky to be here.

“And I think it's 'cause I want to be here like, you know what I mean?”

I like I want to be here like I want to fucking see. I'm kind of pissed because I feel like we're not even close to where we should be. I mean, the year 2000, I'm where is my fucking spaceship? You know, like, where is that? They were supposed to be full jutsons.

Bro, they're extremely late or it's never going to happen.

I think there's a real problem with people flying around. They lied. The problem with people flying around is you got to catch them. Whereas if they're on the street, just close off the street. And then you catch them.

Right. Right. Yeah. Like way too much freedom. It's a bang.

Yeah. When it is go off, like no, no, no, no. You can't have that to pray, everybody. You've got to have people crawl in nice, like very clean lines. We can block these lines off, very obvious paths.

Use lights to start the stalker of men helicopters, put a spot light down on them. See, fall them around. That's what people like. They don't like this idea of the jets and like that's not. I want that.

Dude, I want my own little, well, they do have flying cars now. I saw something. Yeah. There's a couple. There's like a one company called Jet One.

It's like this little looks like a little. It's like a one man drone. Mm-hmm. I'm like, yeah.

“Me and my manager were always like, should we have fucking get a couple of these?”

He don't want to die that way. Yeah. Let those things get worked out for a few years. Yeah, it's probably an easy little bit more time for it to be soup. Yeah, man, because I mean, think about like how glitchy early cell phones were, you know,

I mean, that shit get ironed out, yeah, let the egg heads work on that for a little bit. I'll shut up. Nice. Yeah.

That makes all the bugs. Yeah. I don't know what happens when those things crash, like warning when they're about to die. Like, do you run out of batteries, is it run out of gas, is it allowed to run out of gas?

Can you just be an asshole and just fly into you run out of gas and die? Yeah. Or solar charger take over and make it home. Yeah. Like how many guys have done that in their cars?

I think I could make it. I do. Well, I was in high school, my friend picked me up in his buddy's 1970 Shavell's fucking amazing. So dope.

And I remember he ran out of gas and we coasted perfectly right to the gas station. No way. Yeah. It was like, we shut the car.

We got out like that was amazing.

Yeah. Because you know, we're 16, if ran out of gas at the pump, I was like, this is perfect. No pushing. No nothing. Just.

But if you're in one of them little drones and that shit goes on E. Yeah. Yeah. Just fucking. Mmm. Parts.

Yeah. Yeah. Not good. Did you see that documentary that they did about that kid that stole a plane? He stole a plane.

Like working at an airport and he stole a plane and hijacked it and then flew it and crashed it and died. Yes. But he's like having conversations with him. Yeah.

He's talking to him going like, I don't know what I'm doing man. Yeah. You know, this one's further. I don't know. Yeah.

He was just. And they were just like, if I could run it, dude.

But they were trying to get him to land it.

But the reality was, he's like, he's no way he's going to figure out how to land that. He's a dead man. The moment he got off the ground, he's a dead man. Yeah. And he just stole a plane.

And there's a whole documentary about it. It's apparently very interesting. Oh, wow. I have not seen the documentary, but I've seen clips of them trying to talk him, talk him down.

And he just seemed like he wasn't an option. He just seemed like this was ready to wrap it up. He was taking this. This was this. Yeah.

That one flight. Yeah. The ready to wrap it up. Yeah. I hope your insurance covers this.

Yeah.

“Oh, but yeah, I think flying cars will probably be a thing one day.”

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What's it called? What's it called? What's going on? It's what? Sky King.

It's called Sky King. Poor dude. Oh, damn. He's the game of rad title. Yeah.

Well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other people to do it as well. Yeah. People are very stupid. People are stupid. I just released a song called "Stupid World" a couple of weeks ago.

And that's exactly what that's about. It's literally we have gotten to a place where everything to me, like we are at, just epic stupid proportions, where you just, like, not a day goes by. Where I'm like, "That's fucking ridiculous. That's stupid."

Like, how stupid can we get? Anyway, I wrote this track called "Stupid World." Well, just living in LA is one of the stupidest fucking places on earth. Dude. I know.

It's fucking insane. I'm like, and I'm doing the same thing too, like, well, why do I live here? I mean, I love it there, but in the same way. It's amazing.

There's always in the back of my head is why.

Like, it's one of the most beautiful places on earth, the weather's perfect. Yes. Most of the people are very friendly. Most of the people are cool. It's like, it's only a percentage of the people that suck.

It's a large percentage, but it's only a percentage. The majority of the people are cool. The problem is, it's like slowly becoming a new Detroit. Wow. It's like slowly, the film business is like dried up.

Yeah. They completely dried up, television, completely dried up. Right night TV. It's dried up, man. And that was fueling a giant part of what made LA special.

I don't know. And it's just dried up, man. Nobody has to be there anymore, and they make it intolerable.

“They make you seem like you have to be there, so they just punish you with taxes, and”

they punish you with regulations, they punish you, they make it everything very difficult to conduct business, very difficult to be safe, very difficult to just feel fucking normal. Yeah. And they get surprised when people leave.

Like, what do you want? Yeah. What do you think you're doing to that place? Yeah. You guys can see this statistics, stop fucking gaslighting the world.

Right? You guys can fuck this place sideways and you want to keep doing it. And the weirdest thing is, you know, like, you hear, and you see, oh, man, fuck I bunch of people who are leaving LA, and part of me is like, fuck yes, get the fuck out of here.

There's too many people here. Go, but then I realize nothing's really changed, and I don't really notice that people have left to traffic still the same, a bunch of shits exactly the same. And you tell me, this many people left. I don't see it.

Well, and I wonder if that's not, not maybe a, I don't know, a hyped statistic. Yeah. It's not a scientific analysis. No, like the numbers are real, people have left LA, but it doesn't matter.

You could lose five billion people, and LA is still too big.

The traffic's been manned. Dude, it's fucking retarded. It's been manned. Yeah. It's been manned.

“If you want to go to Orange County at 4 o'clock or shoot yourself, like it's a real decision,”

try to Orange County at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you're like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? This is crazy. Yeah. And don't even think about hitting the 405.

No. At all. Like, no. No. You're going to have to go some sideways.

You're going to have to go some, you're going to have to use ways. Yeah. Yeah. And even then, you're fucked. Even then, it's an hour and a half.

If you live in like Irvine, and you commute to LA, God bless you. Dude, God bless you. Yeah. How do you do it? I don't know.

People do it every day. They just want to live in a place like Irvine, real safe, real nice. Yeah. Just like I've got to work in LA. Fuck it.

I'll just drive in every day. Just fucking, just all fucking mad and just, I would get up at five in the morning and just go to the gym.

I would drive in the morning, drive to LA. I'd get a membership in LA at the gym.

“That way, I'm driving with no traffic, at least one way.”

At least getting there. I have no traffic. Yeah. And then, you deal with the home commute. Doing it to both, to and from?

Yeah. Fuck you. Fuck you. I'm not doing that. It's too norley.

I'd rather get up at five in the morning. I can't imagine even doing it once a day. But there's a lot of people that do three hours a day, minimum in their car. And they really live 20 minutes away. If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in 25 minutes.

Man, that's pretty crazy when you realize all we have here on this planet is time.

And you realize that kind of time, you're wasting, wasting, and you're never going to

get back. If I do this consecutively every single day, I wonder what, add that time up over whatever year, however many years and I bet you people would freak the fuck out. Yeah. You lost years.

I just lost years of my life in the fucking car. Yeah.

“But the good thing is, one thing you can do in the car is listen to books on tape.”

Yeah. And books on tape are amazing. And, you know, podcasts too for some people. But for me, it's a lot of it is books on tape, because you'll get lost in a book. And it doesn't even really bother you that much.

And the one of the craze, if you have a Tesla, my Tesla does auto driving. So if I want to, if I'm leaving here and there's some crazy traffic for some reason, I just go, I just turn it on and it goes. I don't have to hit the blinkers. I don't have to change lanes.

I don't have to stop at red lights. It does everything. D-stressed. And all I have to do is just keep my fingers on the wheel. Just like this.

And make it look like you're on tape. No, you're supposed to like stay contact with the wheel. I'm just keep your eyes on the road. But you're thinking at all, you know, you can't do that. You know, it's supposed to do that.

It probably would still work. I don't even know what happens if you just go straight. I think it shuts down after a second. Probably start to recognize is that you're doing that and shuts down.

But the reality is, like, that as a stress decoupler, there's nothing on the left.

Oh, man, the best. You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill. And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour and a half. You know, like, constantly hitting the brake, constantly hitting the gas, constantly hitting the brakes.

Now you're just chillin. And you can get you just like, listen to your book on Banzai. Yeah. No, that is. That is nice, man.

I don't know about you. But like, if I start like, you know, you start reading a book. Just, you know, your eyes focusing and reading and you, they get tired. So you get more in listening to it an auditory version of it rather than, for me, at least, sort of sort of eye stressing on reading and doing all that.

Yeah. That's some tired. And then, if I can lose interest, yeah, that's, that's, there's definitely something to that.

Well, reading always makes you want to go to sleep, I guess, especially a reading at

night helps you fall asleep. But there's, there's also something about reading in your head. Because you create the voices and you create everything, like, you use your imagination when you're just reading that doesn't exist with books on tape. But with audio books, I don't have the time.

So for me, it's a time thing. Yeah. Like, if I have a guest coming on, the guest is like an astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something, I need to absorb the information and I have a limited amount of time.

So you listen to audio books in the gym, listen to audio books in the sauna, and I listen to it in the car on the way to work. And so that all together is a couple hours in a day. So I can do that and get a lot of information in where I wouldn't, I don't have the couple hours to sit down and just read, I just, I don't, I wish I did, I don't.

Yeah. So I can still get all that data and that information, but I have to be very diligent about actually listening. Yeah. That's the thing.

Because especially at the gym, you can get a little, just distracted.

“And you're like, what the fuck did you just say and you have to back it up?”

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You just shut it off, might this work out to intense, I can't really pay attention. Yeah. Yeah.

What do they say? Do what you're doing when you're doing it? Yeah. And people think they're multitasking? Right.

That doesn't fucking exist. You're really, yeah, whatever. You're sort of multitasking, but you're robbing from Peter to PayPal. Thank you very much. Yeah.

You're taking away some of your attention on what you're doing to pay attention to the other thing. And it's definitely making you less good at either one of those things. And if one of them is very simple, and it's like it doesn't matter, okay, you could be distracted.

Right. But if it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing. You're robbing attention from these things. Yeah. There it is.

Yeah, there it is. Well, I've always find that like, my best workouts are in silence.

about what you're doing. Yeah.

And if you add in a bunch of stuff, except music, music is always fuel for workout.

That's different. Sure. It's like music you can listen and then stop listening, you could do it in the middle of a set. It doesn't distract you with lyrics.

It just keeps, just gives you some energy in the air, music is the ultimate companion for working out. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt.

So much of the David Goggins doesn't use it because he says it's cheating. What? He goes cheated. You know, 'cause he's just a complete total psycho. Is that like, is that like, ultra marathon guy?

Yeah. I thought it was the lip forever guy, though. Oh, no, no. That's Brian Johnson. That's the guy who, like, has his son's blood injected into him.

Yeah, that's true. I'm sorry, I'm confused. David Goggins is a totally different guy.

“He's the Navy SEAL who run, I think how many ultra marathons do you run in a month?”

Something insane. He runs 100 mile races and he's like, insane fitness freak. And when he works out, he has these workouts where, like, famously he'll take professional fighters and they work out. Well, they can't keep up and they're just throwing up and they can't believe how much

this guy works out. He's doing it easy where he's just talking to them the entire time they can't keep up. He finished 800 mile marathons in eight consecutive weekends. So he ran 800 miles in eight weekends. He's not.

And he does, like, he'll, he'll be, like, at home and just decide, I'm going to do a 60 mile ruck right now and just like throws on a backpack, gets outside and starts rucking. And they'll just do 60 miles. And so he'll go out there for hours and hours, just decides. This is what I'm going to do and I'm not stopping till I'm done and it does it all the

time. Whoa. He's in insane shape. And he's 50. Wow.

He's in insane shape. He also has no knees. His knees are completely destroyed. Oh, from pounding on bone. The bone on bone.

He said a ton of operations doesn't care, keeps going on bone on bone, like, but it's just a maniac. So complete and told a man, but he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating. Wow. That's amazing.

But that shows you. I like to cheat. I like to use that music. I like to cheat. I need to cheat to get that energy extra.

I mean, I can do it myself maybe, but why would I when I go, give me that fucking music. Yeah. That's not cheating. I don't think of it as cheating. That's called inspiration.

Yes. It's an awesome supplement. That's what I call it. There you go. But for him, it's all about mental strength.

And so he considers it cheating. He used that mental strength, like to, your mental strength should be right from your brain.

You can't always count on that music.

That music's not always going to be there. Like, okay. Oh, but I guess so. He kind of has a, I get it, but yeah, do what you're doing for what he does. He kind of has a point.

Yeah. I could see that. He's focusing. Yeah. No distractions.

Yeah. He says he's gaining knowledge. He says I'm gaining knowledge. I'm acquiring knowledge. Well, he must be doing this.

I believe him.

“I believe him because he's thinking he's going to the dark realms of his mind, you know,”

doing intense suffering, running 100 mile races, eight weekends in a row. He's doing some serious, other work. Right. While he's running. That's the real, deep, introspective work.

You want to find out who you really are, run eight, one-hundred mile races in eight weeks. Imagine those conversations you're having with yourself, what the fuck am I doing? No, dude. You got this.

You got this. No, dude, you're an idiot. No, bro. Fuck yes. I think he probably used to have those conversations.

Now, it's just, now it's his battling demons. It's all just demons. It's just crushing down negative thoughts, crushing down weakness, you know? I know. Fuck.

There's a lot of different kinds of people in this world, Tommy. Yeah, there are, dude. It's pretty crazy out there. I bet you've met every variety of them. Just about.

Oh my God. That's funny. Wow. I know. There's some crazy people in this world.

Yeah, there is. But we need all of them. We need our Tommy Lees. We need our David Lee Ross. We need our, you know, we need our David Goggins.

We need all of those people.

“That's what makes the world beautiful, is that there are so many different people.”

You can meet someone like, fuck, I never met a guy like him.

That's nuts. Yeah, that is what it is wonderful. Isn't it wonderful? I mean, you must have met every fucking human being that's ever lived practically. Dude, I feel like it is about.

I mean, you've been famous since, like, what year did Motley crew really break out? 80. 80. That's nuts. Yeah.

Boy, that world was a different place. For real.

No internet. No, no cell phones. No.

It was president in 1980.

Was that even Reagan yet? Uh, almost. When did Reagan become president? Well, fuck. Reagan was president when I was in high school.

Who the fuck? That was in the '80s. What year, Jamie? '81. '81.

So, 1980, Reagan wasn't even president yet. Fuck. Who was president? How do we Jimmy Carter, right? That sounds right.

Was it a Jimmy Carter before Reagan? Yeah. Yeah. So, it was Jimmy Carter. And Ronald Reagan.

Whoa, dude. Wow. And that nuts? Uh-huh. What was that scene like, bro?

That was, still to this day. Motley did, we did this movie called The Dirt. And it's based on our autobiography from, you know, certain heroes from this year to this year. And it kind of like, it shows how it fucking was.

And one of the coolest things ever is when, you know, see, you know, emails from fans or questions from fans and they're like, "Dude, and these are fun, like, you know, 18-year-old kids are like, "Was it really like that?" When you guys were rocking shit like that, I was like, 100% and they're like, fuck, and they're bummed.

They're like, "We will never, ever get to experience that.

Fuck!" He's like, "It was just full on till the wheels fall off." No. You could get away with fucking murder. Literally.

There was no phones and no, this was at a time where anything goes pretty much. I've got to be in 1980. In 1980, I was 18, Jesus Christ. 17, 17. So you're blowing up at 18 years old.

How the fuck did you manage? I know too. Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a picture from like, 1940.

Right? It's not in world. It's not in world. I know.

Even the font from Motley Crew.

Yeah. And totally. Wow. God, dude. What is that?

“Is that even seen real when you look at that picture?”

Look at our fucking little cheesy cloth backdrop. That's the wrinkles in the fabric. That's the whiskey. Yeah. The whiskey.

Too fast for love. Fucking great song. And that fucking drum riser that that, right there, with the lights in it, yeah. My dad fucking, in my dad, myself and my drum tech, we built that riser, dude. Like it had fucking switches.

My dad was a mechanic. And so my dad built, he, you know, he was like, I need a drum riser. All right. Let's go. I mean, dude, he would, my dad would have built a styrofoam, fucking he, like, drilled

out. There are cut, cut these big blocks of wood, ran electrical prongs up through the wood. And then you take a little small wire and you connect the tube, put a pipe over it, fill it with gum powder. And we'd be on my back yard, dude.

And the neighbors would be like, all sudden, it's like, fire. There's your fucking mushroom clouds in my back yard.

“And the neighbors are like, what the fuck is going on?”

And my dad, like, he just, like, he loved it. He's like, making bombs, lighting rigs, drum risers. And he would drive me to the gigs. And in his van with all my shit, like, I'd the best dad fucking ever. That's awesome.

Yeah. And here, here's a mechanic. Okay. Look at this fucking setup bro. This is nuts.

Oh, dude. Right? The hamster wheel? Yeah. That is crazy.

Yeah. That's nuts. And drums, like, halfway upside down. Dude, the thing was gyroscope, it went around, you know, right to left, back to front. What is it like trying to play the drums from that position?

No, that's got to be very weird. Dude, it is insane. Like, I had to, like, I had to change so many dynamics, like, think about it.

“Instead of gravity, instead of gravity pulling your hand down, right?”

Right? Now you've got to push.

upside down.

“So it becomes three times harder, physically, and also you had to make adjustments.”

So, I don't know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals, their foot pedals

for your bass drums, right? Well, and those are chain driven pedals, footboards. So when you go upside down, they fall. So I had to put springs, I had to put springs underneath the pedals to keep them taught. So they would stay up, you know what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah. So with symbols, they're meant to hang a certain way. They're not meant to hang upside down, so I had to make all these crazy adjustments technically to pull it off, but we figured it out with the high hat, too, because the high hat would, you know, the two symbols, it sits, it sits.

They would just, if you're upside down, they just, they just go open, they open. Right. So I had to do another spring as well to keep that close so I could manually drive it. It's all this crazy shit.

Why did you decide to do that?

Like, what was it just something rad? You know what? That all started, and it's kind of been my thing throughout history, and every year I do something fucking different and crazier, of course, everybody's like, what are you going to do next year, what are you going to do next year?

That's sort of like, that's where it all started, and it really started when I went to go see, it was fucking pat Travers. Do you remember pat Travers, man? No. Boom, boom.

I'll go with the lights. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Anyway, they were cool, and I went to go see them, and Tommy Aldrich was the drummer, and this would be four motley, I'm just like, whoa, dude, I'm like a fucking kid standing on the chair. Oh, fuck yeah. Right? And he's drum solo time, and he's about us, and he's just, he's fucking ripping

dude. All you see is sticks flying in hair, fucking going. He's shredding, and I'm looking around, and I'm watching people go get a beer, people going to pee, going to get a t-shirt, going out for lobby to fucking smoke a joint, I don't know, whatever.

“Everybody's kind of leaving, and I'm like, where the fuck is everybody going?”

That guy is murdering the fucking drums right now, and y'all are like, he failed to capture their attention, and from that moment on, I went, I need to figure out A, how to give the audience a better view of what you're actually doing there, because people can't see. Oh, there's the roller coaster, that's the, that's the, that's the cruiser fly, dude.

That's so dope. That's the latest one. That thing went from in the front, all the way to the back of the fucking arena or stadium. That's crazy, dude.

And look at, and then it, it starts, it starts twirling as it's going down. Oh my god, you're upside down, that's so sick. Look at that, dude. That's so sick, the audience must go, duh, man is. Yeah, at one point, the roller coaster comes down and it's literally almost, just, they

could almost touch you. Wow. Look at that, shit, dude.

“I think that is how do you not get a crazy head rush when you're upside down, banging”

on the drums, dude. It is so gnarly, I'm, I'm wrecked. It's nine minutes total. Must do it. I'll have for your core too, right?

Oh, I'm holding yourself. Dude, I'm on the oxygen bottle, when I finish, I go all the way out and then I do it all backwards. Whoa. I'll go back and do it backwards.

And by the time I get done, I'm sitting there with the oxygen going, well, Mick does a guitar solo. I just need a couple seconds because I am fucking done. I can imagine, man, it's incredible cardio. It's insane.

It's like shadow boxing for minutes at a time, hardcore, super fast. Yeah.

We've always admired the physical fitness, just constantly, and you know what that's

like, man, if you're a fucking minute of that, you're like, I know the physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy. If you didn't play drums for like a few years and then picked it up again and started to get, it'd probably take forever to get that endurance back, forever, dude. Because it's so, like, when you're going off, dude, you're so fast, dude, it's so fast, dude.

Put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it, it's like everything's fucking moving, poundin' your feet and everything like fuck. Yeah, I know. It's one of the most athletic things in all of music. It really is, man, and I had this, I was like, okay, how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking high school till today. Right.

And I'm like, that's fucking weird. And I eat kind of whatever the fuck on an eat, like I don't just know, I don't like diet or have some strict, you know, regimented food program, I was like, I'm going to fucking, I got to see.

You just clip it on your shoe and it tells you how many miles you did, like a little tack hometer, not a tack hometer. Yeah, I know a pedometer. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I get one, I clip it on, I'm like, I'm wondering what, how many fucking miles I'm doing after two hour show.

I don't know, fuck who knows, I know I'm sweaty as fuck and I'm, I'm, after the show, all I hear is ringing in my ear and I'm fucking, I'm wrecked, I'm wrecked, I'm done. And I fucking took it off after the show and I looked down and it said 13.3 miles.

“And I was like, so that's why I don't fucking, that's why I'm just skinny fuck, and like, I just, I just, I sweat it out and I'm having a spark or same deal.”

Same deal. Yeah, I mean, he works out a lot as well, but it's like same deal. Yeah, yeah.

It's like incredible amounts of cardio.

I wonder how many calories you burn in a two hour show. It's going to be off the charts. Yeah, I thought I have a measure, just because it's not just jogging. You're not like you're running 13 miles, obviously you're sitting still, but the pounding of the arms. Yep.

And the breathing, you're going to fucking throw the abs. Yeah, it's like, God. Yeah, everything's going, man, you're firing on a whole cellar. For sure, the most athletic thing in all of music, for sure. Not to even close, right?

Yeah, no. I mean, playing guitars, you're moving your hands and everything, but it's not, not nearly. Drums is like a, it's more like a sport. It really is. It really is.

Like, you don't see a really out-of-shape drummer. No. You know, it's almost like you can't be to keep up. No. I know.

And, you know, everybody's, you're kind of like, you're the fucking heartbeat, man. You're, you're really, everybody's come to, you know, the people say you're only, you're only, your band's only as good as your drummer. And that's really fucking, it's really true. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a fucking drummer, but the drummer has a lot of responsibility, man.

Everybody, you, all the people that you see out there that are fucking moving. I'm, I'm responsible for, for a lot of that. I'm not saying it for all of it. You sort of set the pace, you know, and, and you're making people physically move. Yeah.

Like, and that, that, that takes, that takes a lot of work. You know, it's the amount of energy you're putting out. You're getting back and you're seeing it. And you're like, fuck, I'm driving here. Yeah.

And that's a, that's a cool place to be, but it is a responsibility. And it is physical and it's draining. But, but it's fucking rad. I live for it.

“Did you take lessons to learn how a drummer, did you learn on your own?”

Um, I, I didn't really take lessons. Like, I, I learned on my own until, I mean, like, kind of early in, in a high school, I played in the marching band. But that wasn't really like drums. That was like more, like, like a drum core stuff, like rudiments.

And like, you know, drum core shit. It not really the whole kit. To later, um, I got the school in my high school to let me, Mmm. You're sorry, my grade school to let me borrow with the drum.

The jazz drum set at the school. And I, bring it home. And then I started just like, listen into my favorite shit. And I would just play along.

And I, so I never really took any physical lessons.

I just, just in me, man. I was just like, a really good at hearing something and going, oh, okay. I got it.

“Did you have to learn how to hold the sticks?”

Do you hold the sticks in a conventional way? Like, like, your taught or did you just figured out on your own? Um, just, I just figured out on my own. Just probably just moved on from the, the, the, the forks and the spoon. It's interesting how many great musicians learned on their own.

Yeah. Like, Hendrix. Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why he played it upside down, left handed. He just made a work.

Yeah. Yeah. Just figured out how to do it on his own. It's really interesting how, like, with, you know, when you just get an instrument and listen to other people use it and learn how they're doing it and just kind of fuck around with it and figure it out. And then doing it your own way.

Yeah. Of course. And then, well, then you got your own thing. Oh, it just, that's wonderful, man. I think about early rock and roll versus the way drums are played like, like you play or like Travis plays like some elite drummer plays.

It's like drums are so, it's like, it's so much more powerful now than ever before.

I know, man. And then, that, that thing happens. I don't know if you've ever been around like a, like a drum circle. The more drummers there are, like, all of a sudden it just, it becomes this, this thing it grows into this tribal like,

It's like, you know, I don't know, that kind of, it's, it's a more aggressive power than the kind of power where you can make somebody fucking cry play in the piano play the right chords. Right. I'll watch them cry. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, that's fun, man. There's nothing better than, than rhythm, man. That's, I live for that shit.

No, I can tell. I was getting trouble all the time at in school because I'd always be like,

*laughs* Always. Always. Can you stop tapping on the tables? Yep.

Sorry. We sit back to the back of class and be like, making like, water drip noises. It was looking around for a leak. Class clown.

Well, there's something about drums, and it's like a part of like tribal culture. Like, from the beginning, a few in time. People pounding on drums. *mimics* *mimics*

For more. Yeah. They pounded it on ships to keep pace with the rowing. You know, there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship. Yeah. You know, to keep, make sure everybody keeps pace. It's kind of wild.

That's kind of wild. That's kind of a cool, you know, that they, they knew even back then.

“There's something about the sound of drums that's important.”

*mimics* *mimics* The heart beat. Do you ever fuck around with bongos? Oh, sure.

Yeah, that, those, a lot of handed instruments, bongos, congos. I just, at the last couple of years, been playing a hand drum. People call him a hang drum, a hand drum. You know, then, if you've seen them, they're like, They look like a fucking flying saucer.

Oh, yeah. I have a brass band. Yeah. Yeah. They're really melodic, but really beautiful,

Zenny sounding instrument. That's cool, because it's percussive and melodic. So, you can come up with these really bitching, depending on how the instruments tuned and stuff. But that's been a lot of fun.

That, that's cool, like, sort of, a different kind of rhythm. But it's, it's a, it's a soothing one. It's a total opposite of the aggressive shit. Right. Right. Right. Right. Well, I mean, it must be fun.

Since you've been playing drums for so long, I've experienced with different things. Mmm. I love that, man.

I'm always searching for a new sound.

You know, a new percussive sound that moves you, It makes you fucking, I don't know. It gets inside you. Right. I can, I'm always on the hunt, dude.

I'm such a tweaker, like, you know, find something that sonically sounds like a drum. It could be a drum. It's not. And I'll make it, I'll turn it into something.

It sounds like a drum. And all of a sudden, you know, that, you know, I don't know, hitting on these elk horns or something. Sounds like a wood block. But pitched way, way down.

It sounds more sounds like a note. Go on. Mmm. I don't know. Like I, I'm just, I love, I love percussion and rhythm.

So I'm always fucking around trying to find. Find something that moves us, you know? That's my job. Yeah. That's cool.

I'm here to move you, man. [laughter] So cool fucking job. I like it, man. It doesn't suck.

No. It doesn't suck. No. When, when you're working on a new song,

“When you're creating a new song, what is your process?”

Do you, do you have a beat in your head? Do you, do you, do you sit down and just start fucking around until something comes to you? Like, how do you do it? You know what?

It's always different. It could say I had like a thing. A process. I really don't, man. Like, you know, it'll be something that happened to me or something

that I'm experiencing will spark a word or a chant. All of a sudden, you know, then that'll all pick up a fucking guitar and be like, oh, this is killer. Or sometimes they come with a beat. I'm like, oh, this is a fucking killer beat.

This would be great. And then I'll start with a beat. And then it just started to add guitars.

It's never really, there's not really like a format.

I just kind of go with whatever sort of inspiring me at the time that feel like I need to write about. Um, yeah. There's not really like a way. I know a lot of people have a methodical way.

Well, I start with the lyric first. Always the lyric first. Nothing else is important. Okay, dude. Why don't we get people to move first before you try to seduce them

with these fucking crazy words? Actually, no one's going to be looking like a true drummer. No one's going to even get to these fucking words. If you can't get them to stay listening or to move. They're like, oh, this is nice.

“It's not to like, it's not the key moment when you're like,”

oh, this is cool.

That's, that's kind of my, like, my priority is like, is it moving me? Yeah. What let's go. It seems like having a bunch of different methods to get there

is probably better anyway. Yes. Because there's all sorts of different paths to get to the prize. Right. And having a bunch of different methods of creativity is probably better.

It's going to give you up more different results. Right. Instead of being okay. Well, it's going to start to sound the same. Mm-hmm.

If you keep using the same method. Yeah.

“When you write, do you write down on paper or do you just, yeah?”

Yeah. Paper. No. Do you have a write on computer? Do you have a write on computer?

Do you have a write in your own head? Do you have a computer or a lot? Two. A lot for, excuse me, for demos. That's a really quick way to, you know, where I can,

I can present a song to the band. We're a, y'all. Fuck. I play guitar, sing, drums, bass. So I'll, I'll bring in demos that totally created by you.

Yeah. I'm not really sound finished. You know, I was like, okay. And then, you know, and we'll go from there.

So, yeah, I always try to, like, you know,

not finish everything entirely because, you know, when you're in a band with three other guys who also create, kind of leave it open for that. But, um, but yeah, I use the computer a lot to, sort of compose the ideas and get them recorded.

Sort of produce them. It's really beautiful that, you know, Montley crew hit in 1980. Here we are. 46 years later.

And you still love it. I know. That's so awesome. Isn't that correct?

“That's what everybody wants in this life.”

Something that they're passionate about that remains a passion. It stays. And if anything grows as a passion, still exciting. Still enticing.

Still captivates you. They're 1980. The world was a different place. I mean, think about where we were in the universe in 1980 and how the entire solar system is spiraling

through the galaxy, which is spiraling through space. Like, we've moved. How many fucking million miles? Uh, since 1980. I know, that's what that's hard to think about.

You know, if you ever seen what the, you know,

we always want to think about the sun being in the center of our solar system

and the planet spinning around it. But if you ever seen what the whole solar system looks like like moving through space, the whole thing's moving through space. It's not stationary.

It's not like we're sat there and we're just spinning around. Yeah, and everybody else is just fucking whole thing is hurling through space. So in 1980, we were in a totally different spot in the universe.

That's crazy. That is great. The world was different. People were different. Information was different.

Our version of reality was different. Everything. Everything was different. Fuck. And you wrote it out from answering machines to paillers

to fucking side kicks to iPhones to the internet,

“everything like, remember the Motorola brick phone?”

Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. You're a pamper if you have one of those. Look at it. This is what it looks like.

This is, see, most people think our solar system looks like, but this is what it actually is doing. Oh, it's how our solar system actually moves. So look, the sun's hurling through space and all the planets are spinning around it as it hurls through space.

Oh, oh, oh. Isn't that crazy? Where is Earth there? Earth is the third planet from the sun. Up.

The blue one right there. So just think about that. How many rips? Yeah. How many rips have we done since 1980?

We're in a different place in the fucking universe than we were in 1980. Whoa. How far? How far has the solar system moved through the universe since 1980? Let's ask for electricity that.

Oh, my God. This is one of the best uses of AI. Stupid information. Yes. Yeah.

It is. It is. I'm going to guess. 100 million miles. Just a wild guess.

I have no idea.

I might be off by 100 million.

Oh, it's giving me light years. Well, let me see what it looks like. Roughly two to three. I think a light year is a trillion miles.

Two to three light years through space. Okay. How many miles is a light year? Put that in. I didn't say a mile.

Right, but how many miles is a light year? I think it's a trillion miles. Fuck, we're going in. Oh, a light year is 5.88 trillion miles. Dude.

Okay. So think about that. Think about how many trillions of miles earth has traveled through the universe since Motley crew bust out onto the scene. Dude.

Think of that.

And a trillion is a thousand billion.

Yes. A thousand billion.

“How many thousand billion miles has the earth moved through?”

So it was like two to three. It was two to three light years. Okay. And each light year is how many trillion? 5.88.

5.88. How about that? So you're dealing with roughly 15 plus trillion miles? Dude, we're old. (laughter)

All the fuck. Dude, 90 miles in junior high school. I don't know about old, but fuck we've traveled. We have fucking traveled. Yeah, we have fucking traveled.

Yeah. But that's a freaky thing to think about. How far we're in a different place in the universe. Well, I thank you for that bit of information. That's nice to...

I don't know. Just to think about it. Dude, you know how many miles I've fucking traveled, bro? Yeah. 15 plus trillion.

Trilogy? Just since Motley crew bust out onto the scene. What was it like being that famous at 18? I had to be nuts. It's fucking bizarre.

Dude. Like, I don't even know how to explain it. Just imagine having the fucking... I don't know. It keys to fucking...

Pretty much anything you wanted to do, try.

“But was the first crazy thing you bought when you first started making cheddar?”

First thing I bought was...

It was my fucking... A dream car. It was the fucking 82 Corvette. T-top. Nice.

T-tops popped out. What color? It was a champagne color. Oh, nice. It was kind of silvery gold color.

Yeah. Fucking rad, dude. Like, oh my... I don't know when you were... In 82, the Corvette was one of the only American cars worth buying.

Because in 82, they were still dope-looking. Like, pull up a 1982 Corvette. Yeah, they're still... Like, a lot of things look like hot dog shit in 82. They look fucking terrible.

They look terrible. Camarrows look like shit, everything looks like shit.

They were all like plastic garbage.

That's still dope. Yeah, the fucking... Like, that's still dope today. That's the color I had, dude. Look at that.

That's the one. Look at that. Look at that bigger. That is a fucking dope car today. Yeah.

“It's one of the only American cars from 1982 that looks dope today.”

Like, pull up a 1982 Mustang. This 1982 Mustang's going to make you want to bomb it. Oh, dude. I know a lot of people that are like fans of the Fox body. No, no.

Look at that. Look at that. What is that? Come on. Come on.

That looks like a gremlin. It looks like straight horse shit. That's... Whatever the fucking Russians did to us. To make this make a horse shit.

Or the really the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs. Look at how ugly that is. That is fucking disgusting. That is... Dude.

Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now I want you to do this. Pull up a 1969 boss for 29 Mustang. Uh... Put up the pinnacle.

The pinnacle of muscle cars. Look at that motherfucker. Yeah, right. Look at that. Look at the difference between 1969 and that fucking dog shit...

He's a shitty shit. Look at that thing. That's real car. But they blocked the drugs. They kept those car makers from having drugs.

And they'll make garbage. Except for that. Yeah. Corvette still stuck with that style. Because Corvette's were fiberglass.

So they were in his limited in terms of like the shapes. You know, they had those cool, swirvy lines to them. They kept those. Until, oddly enough, the 90s. They started getting shitty in the 90s.

Look at you dog. Yeah, there it is. Look at you dog. Wow, that's crazy.

I wonder who's got that car?

I don't know. Somebody has Tommy Lee's 1982 Corvette. Somebody. They have to. You know, that thing's still running.

Yeah, probably. Hopefully. Yeah.

“Well, they take them and make resto mods out of them now.”

They put like a modern engine and modern breaks and everything. So they handle better and modern suspension. Yeah. By immediately fucking. Me and my buddy just.

We took that car and fucking put a fucking. Blood and injection on it. Just fucking insane dude. In the glove box. This is before like now we have, you know, a bunch of super rat tuned exhaust.

You know, you know, straight pipe. Shit loud as fuck. This is before that. And we, we made a couple of cutouts in the glove box. I get the cops here to come.

You just open the glove box and take these two. They, they're like choke levers. Mm-hmm. And you, you pull them, pull them out. And the flaps would just connect them and just go straight from the headers out.

And bypass the mufflers. So just be like, hot, hot, hot, hot. And if the cops are coming, you just push these two choke levers in. And back to the mufflers, they'll quiet. Yeah, they have switches for that now.

Yeah, I don't know. It's like custom made cars. They've exhaust switches to do that. But they don't do it to that extent where it just goes straight pipes. Yeah.

Yeah. That must have sounded fucking amazing. Dude, it's so rad. Yeah.

“I mean, there's nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars.”

Like those are two things that are like completely connected forever.

Yeah, another fucking rad car that I never got.

But I always wanted to. It was like the fucking Shelby Cobra. Oh, yeah. The big fucking pipes blown. Right.

Just loud as fuck. It's like four inch exhaust. Like, yep. Dude, that's just the roadie and just. Tiny little past, little rest of the last car.

Yeah. Go cart with a 427 minute. Crazy power. No weight at all. It's weighs nothing.

Yeah. It just does burn out. It's the whole time. Yeah. It's too much.

I have a buddy of mine who has one of those. It's nuts. Like, but it freaks me out. It's like, there's no protection here. If you get an accident, I'm like, just like nothing to this car.

Yeah. You know, if you have no roof, you don't even roll bar. It's like just got this little tiny windshield. You're behind the wheel of an engine. Just a giant engine with four wheels.

Yeah, you're done. Yeah. One bad move. Pretty dope. Yeah.

Super rad. Yeah. Like one of those. Look at that fucking dude.

“I'm sorry, but that's the fucking sick of shit.”

Radical looking. Yeah. Oh, look at the flare. The thing is, too, they make a lot of recreations now. Yes.

The old ones are worth like millions of dollars. I do don't know. Yeah. But you can get a recreation and experience the exact same thing. Do it sure.

There's a ton of recreations now. And they're fucking great. And they look the same. And it's like, yeah, it's not worth as much money. But who fucking cares?

It's a good drive. It's awesome. Yeah. If you just look at that thing. Bro, look at.

That thing is so hard. I've been fiber. Oh my goodness. Look at that fucking thing. It's all carbon fiber.

Oh, fuck. That must weigh 14 pounds. Let's go get a couple dude. Dude, who's making that? Click on that link.

Who's making that fucking thing? Yeah. Probably is. Well, I know. Yeah.

Classic recreations. That same company that does those dope 67 GT 500s. Mm. They're making a classic recreations. A thousand horsepower.

Oh, dude. It due to weighs 2,300 pounds. That's nuts. A thousand. But the carbon fiber body is only 88 pounds.

Unbelievable. It says 2,000 pounds of suspension, frame, and wheels, and engine. And that's it. Oh, that. That's sick.

That's so sick. That's just. Straight trouble right there. That's going to get in trouble. Yeah.

Or not. Or just enjoy yourself. Just fun. Yeah. But it's America fuck you.

Fuck. I love those cars. What else did you buy there? I was in horsepen. I know.

Proposterous. Yeah. What else did you buy that's nuts?

When they first came out.

Me and my base player bought like almost fucking at the same time. The Ferrari had come out with the test Rosa. Oh, the Miami-Bicycle. Totally dude. Yeah.

I got. I got. Had a car broke or find me a black on black one. Oh, man. And it's just like fuck.

Okay. This is insane. The listeners will probably appreciate this. You buy a fucking car for 200 at the time. $250,000 for the test Rosa.

Get it shipped from. It came in from Florida to LA. I'm pulling the plastic off the seats.

Back it down the fucking car carrier. And I'm in. The dudes kind of show me. You know, what's up? And I fucking.

I look into the, you know, to the right of the steering wheel. There's like a, like a, looks like a cacover. So I grab it and you open it up at that. Where the stereo would be. I open it up.

And I go, where's the stereo? The guy goes, oh, Enzo.

“Believe that the music that you should be listening to is the sound of the engine.”

And I'm like, well, that's fucking rad and everything. Enzo.

But bro, I just spent a quarter of a million dollars.

And I want to fucking crank shit. I was fucked here and breaking the speed limit. Like, come on. Who does that? And so I had to go.

I got a stereo at the time. There was no subwoofer. There was a bazooka tube was available. You could drop. There's no room to.

So you could, you could get a bazooka tube behind the seats. Right. And some fucking, you know, to the first subwoofer. And some other speakers in the doors. Decent door speakers.

Yes. They're only decent back there. Yeah. Yeah. And Alpine receiver.

Right. And I got it to, to bump. But I just found it fucking just shocking that like that, that much money for a car. And you still don't get a stereo? Why did you ridiculous?

Yeah. But they did sound incredible. And I totally get it. There should be sound that most things make.

This is just like, it's heavenly.

It's totally different than the American sound. Of the muscle car sound.

“The muscle car sounds my all time favorite.”

Yeah. But there's something melodic about those Ferrari engines. Whaaaaaap! Whaaaaaap! Whaaaaaap!

It's like a sound just like it. Oh, there's a sound that it has. Yes. It's, it's so spectacular. It's just engineering and it's wine and pasta and a fucking windy road.

And just totally, you know. But I'm joined, no. Whaaaaaap! Whaaaaaap! Fuck yeah.

Fuck yeah, man. Oh, those things are, there's something special. And again, it's, what is that? It's a piece of passion. It's artwork.

It's artwork that's, you know, made into an engineering form. Yeah. That we get to play with. Yeah. Basically a race car.

Yeah. You know.

Like a friend of mine we were talking about, like Ferrari.

You think Ferrari's a worth that I go listen man. Rich people aren't stupid. They're not stupid. If Ferrari's weren't worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them. Have you ever driven one?

Yeah. No, trust me, they're fucking worth it. Yeah. Like yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money. It's not worth it really for a normal person.

Yeah. But if you have like an insane amount of money and you could experience that, the thing Ferrari fucked up on big time. Dude. It took away the manual transmission.

They fucked that up. Yeah. They fucked that up. Porsche's the only one who kept it. They're the only ones smart enough to realize.

Like there's a part of the experience that you got a fucking one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bring it back.

Yeah. Cut the shit. Yeah. Guys are just silly.

“Dude, did you see the fucking electric car they just released?”

Which one? The Ferrari? That was dark shit. Dude. They fucked that up.

That part. That looks like a joke. It looks like something that someone made for just to get engagement online. Like it's fake. But it's real.

Yeah. I know. I couldn't. I was like. It looks as good as those 1982 Mustangs.

Yes. It looks like a Ferrari electric car. Oh yeah. Look. Look at it.

Dude. It looks so boring. What the fuck? Look at it. Even inside.

You're like this looks like cheap dog shit. Yeah. I don't understand. I don't get it either. I thought it was like a joke.

I know. You know. Look at this. It's got suicide doors. It's got dope.

That's kind of cool. But you know what? It's really dope. On a 65 continental? Not on this fucking thing.

Ugly. Ugly. Fucking. monstrosity. That's funny.

You mentioned that car. That's another one of my favorites. Oh. That was something I thought was cool. Oh yeah.

Fucking. I know a guy who's got one for sale. That's a resto mod. I'm fucking really thinking about it. Oh boy.

It's a 65 black convertible with the suicide doors. Oh. It's mint. And it's got a new engine in it. Like a modern engine.

And it's got fucking a perfect suspension. And it looks so radical. There's something about that car, especially in a convertible. The 65. They're convertibles.

Oh. Oh yeah. I'm like that. Good luck parking anywhere. Yeah.

You might as well be parking a yacht. It's like a fucking boat. It's so big. It's so big.

But it's so sick. It's just I can understand how Ferrari can make. Now, I want you to pull up a Ferrari 458 Italia.

“So I think the 458 is their masterpiece.”

I think it's the best looking Ferrari that they ever made. Yep. There's a lot of them that look great.

There's a lot of them that are amazing.

But for me, there's something about when they came up with the 458. It's just they nailed it. You look at that. Oh my god. Look at that fucking thing.

That is a work of art. Yep. It's so beautiful. It's a lot of people think it's the greatest Ferrari ever. When you draw it, it also doesn't have a manual transmission, which sucks a fat dick.

But other than that, go back that last picture that you out of that one. Look at that one. Make that big. Look at that color. Oh, it's a shitty picture.

But God. It's fucking beautiful. Amazing. Those are beautiful. Now, think of the company that made that.

Also made that go with that black one right there. Well, your curse just was. Clicking that one. Oh, baby. Look how sick that is.

Yep. So from that to that electric piece of shit you guys just released. I don't know. Fuck you. Fuck you for doing that.

Oh, dare you. I, I, I, I bought a. Yuck. And F8. The, the Tributo.

Oh, which is very similar to. Yeah. Not fucking car. About us.

Now, they make incredible cars.

They make incredible.

“And somehow or another less douchey than a Lamborghini.”

I don't know how they did it. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like something about a Ferrari that you have when it's sophisticated.

You know? Yeah. Whereas if you have a Lamborghini, like look at this douche bag. Yeah. Fucking like me or a Lamborghini is awesome.

Yeah. They're awesome. But why is that? Why are they like attached to it? I guess because it's kind of like, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Maybe rappers or something sort of started. We don't know. They're going to leave.

Lisa knows too. It doesn't make any sense. It's like there's something about them. There's more ostentatious. There's more obnoxious.

The doors. Yeah. Maybe just like just two showy. I know I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrari. He's a rich guy.

And he loves Ferrari. I can't try the Lamborghini. I'm like, why not? He's like, it's just, I don't know. I feel like a douche bag.

I'm like, okay. I'm like, okay. I know what they're saying. And there's a real thing there. But I don't know why.

Yeah. Because Lamborghini's are fucking amazing. Yeah. They fucking too have an amazing sound. Oh.

Different from Ferrari. Exactly. It's a higher windier. But they bark. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, what is the latest Lamborghini? They have some crazy new one that they just released last year. It's insane. It's as wide as a fucking trailer.

It's huge. Um. Ex-Jet. I don't know the name of it.

I've never had a Lamborghini.

Yeah. Me either. A drove one once on a track. It was a little loose. Um.

Which one's that? Temerano. Temerario. Temerario. Oh.

Amazing. Oh, dude. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah.

That one. There we go. Huracan. That's another second. Oh, the Huracan.

Yeah.

“That's a little smaller and lighter, I think.”

Yeah. Dude. It's also amazing. You give an 18-year-old kid that kind of power in a car. And you're still alive.

I know. I know. Ah, dude. Fuck. Yeah.

Those kind of cars will definitely check you. Uh, keep you in check, too, because it's not until, you know, to over a hundred miles an hour. It's getting closer to 200 miles an hour to where you're in that car. And you're like, it hits you.

You go. If I make one fucking tiny little ever here, it's over. It's over. Yeah. The motors in the fucking back.

Yep. And if this thing runs into off the road or whatever, it's just going to accordion right into me. And you're, you're, you're done. It's kind of amazing. You just buy one.

You know, I thought about that. And now, like, they have the new Corvette ZR1, it has a thousand horsepower. Yep. From the factory. So you could just go into a Corvette dealership.

If you got the cash, slap down some money. And you have a thousand horsepower car that goes zero to sixty and two seconds. And you just go out there and bucket. Buy. Just good luck.

Oh, yeah. Be safe. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? How are you allowed to have that?

Like, that you have a pilot's license to drive one of those things. Or just, you know, race track only. Right. But imagine you're an 18 year old rock star. Here you go.

I did. You've got one. And back then, the Corvette's like yours, especially when you put a blower on it. Yep.

Those fucking things had no traction control. They had no anti-lock brakes.

There was nothing to protect you.

No. It was just madness. Especially the more madness.

“Did you ever take it to a track or anything?”

No, never did. Have you ever driven around a track? Yes. Yes. That's fine.

Yeah, that is fun. Yeah. That is fun. I went to, I spent some time at the Skip Barber School. Oh, really?

Yeah. I had, of course, the Libre in me has to fucking learn about everything. I have to apex and study. Right. Like, there's a lot of physical and, you know, technical things about driving.

Oh, yeah. If you don't understand about going into a turn at fucking in 100 miles an hour, you're going to fucking die. You know, I was like, I was definitely going to spin out. Yeah.

Learning how to do it is was really interesting to me. It was really interesting to realize, like, the lines that you take. Yeah. You don't just go in the middle of the track all the way. Know your hug in the outside edge, then the inside edge and cutting the lines to make a quicker time.

Yep.

Knowing when to break and knowing when you would accelerate.

And it's so interesting. It's a lot, man. Very technical. Yeah. A lot more technical than anybody would ever think.

You think you're just kind of steering the car like, no, no, no. There's a lot of decisions to be made. It's a lot going on. Especially on a really windy turn.

“Like, this, that's what code it looks like.”

That's the track. Yeah. It's a circle of the Americas. And that one is like, there's so much turns. Yeah.

It's a long straight away. You could really fucking go through it. Right. Yeah. And it's not even about the acceleration.

A lot of times it's about the breaking. Yeah. I mean, breaking and turning. Dude. It's like, that's one of the things that I say, like, is really worth it about having money.

It's like experiencing a great car. Because it's like an amusement park ride. Yes. Even though you're not even going fast. Just driving normal speeds around.

It's like, if you're shifting your own gears and you hear that engine. Yeah. It's like an amusement park ride. You know, it's not, it's not just driving a car. You're experiencing something that, you know,

the other people aren't driving that stupid Ferrari piece of shit electric car. You're not experiencing that. No. No. You're just grooving on the emblem.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They got you. Yeah.

That could have been a Hyundai easily. Dude. I couldn't believe it. I was like, they did not do this. Well, I hope they rebound.

Yeah. They like smack somebody who made that and go, hey, bro. They will.

“I think one of the designers was one of the guys who was involved in design”

in the iPhone and it fucking looks like it. No. That's what's got the last one. It's got the gunny eyes. Yes.

No. That guy's awesome. How did he do that? That started to make sense. I was like, okay.

I would ask him before I even talked in about him. Like, what kind of cars do you have? Do you have a car? What do you drive? And if he's like, I drive an escort.

Like, fuck you. Okay. Get the fuck out. Yeah. I have a Prius.

Go eat shit. Eat all the shit that's ever been shit. Fuck you. Out of the design room. You can't.

You can't design a fucking Ferrari just because you made an iPhone. You're going to make it look sleek and plain. Yeah. No. It's got to look like art.

You mother fucker. Yeah.

There's been a quarter million dollars for this thing.

And now a lot more. I think the electric cars, I want to say three, three hundred and thirty. I bet they're going to sell two. Right.

Two retards. Two fucking super rich retards. I'm going to buy that fucking thing. Nobody's going to spend four hundred thousand dollars on this electric thing. Yeah.

Meanwhile, the other cars they make are fucking. Yeah. I know. What the fuck? You guys know.

What is the latest one? What is the. What is their main one now? The sleek. We can want to look at the advanced version of the four five eight.

Like the one they have now. Like what is it called? Uh. SF. Oh.

Is it called? Yeah. Yes. That's up 90. That thing's insane.

That's gorgeous. Yeah. That's a gorgeous car. My favorite. How do they go from an SF 90?

They're selling that at the same time. As they're selling the sonka junk. SF 90 is one of the best looking cars ever. Yeah. Incredible.

A whole public picture. One of those, Jamie. I'm on their website. And if you do it, if you've seen the body. I love the Laferari.

The body style and the Laferari. Yeah. That's it. Oh, dude. That's got some Laferari in the asa.

Oh, so this is like all the cars they've ever made. I'm on their website. Yeah. Oh. No, understand.

This is all the cars that they make and all the cars. Like that's gorgeous, man. That is gorgeous. Hit the Laferari. Yeah.

Dude. Look at that thing. Woo. What is the F80? Click on the F80.

Oh, my god. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. When it says all models, they don't have the, what is it?

I was trying to find what.

I went to the website to find a newest car. I know.

“But I think like some of them, it's not the newest car.”

It might have been like a last year or a year ago. Well, they would be sharing it somewhere on here. I would imagine. No, it's real, Jamie. We just go for it.

Okay. I'm just saying, just Google. Pull up an image of Ferrari. 24 Ferrari SF90. And you'll see it.

There it is. That's it. Oh, the wing. That's a, that's one that's like prime for racing. But go to images, please.

There you go. That's it. Oh, oh, oh, oh. So how does the company make that? Look how gorgeous that is.

That's incredible. That's so beautiful. I know.

How does the company make that?

And then that Johnny IV piece of shit. Fucking thing. There's like three, three dudes. One dude like, I guess, design the iPhone. And there's a couple.

There's two other designers involved. They probably worked for Lamborghini. They probably, probably spies. You know, the infiltrated and decided to like ruin it from the inside. Probably the same guy that made Billy Squire's music video.

Dude, that guy's got to be stopped. Fuck that guy. He's like, listen, what I did for Billy Squire. I could just do Ferrari. Yeah. I can thank them.

I took Ferrari down with one, one whack ass. You can electric car as I sold them a phone design. Yeah. Just. But, you know, that's what happens.

Yeah. You let people, you know, you don't have enough people that are smart, that are artistic around, that are going to look at that. Go, hey, hey, hey. No.

Yeah, no, go. What's with all the Yessman?

“There had to be somebody that went, what are we doing?”

I don't know how the fuck that happened. Who signed off on EverGod Greenlit by someone at Ferrari? Yeah. How do you not look at all the other cars that you've made? And then look at that one and go, what about a fake?

Yeah. A perfection on me. No. Nobody was doing that. I don't get it.

No. But, you know, companies make blunders. Yeah. You know, every now and now the band puts out a shitty record. You know what?

It happens. It happens. It happens. I get it. I mean, Ferrari is still Ferrari.

They'll bounce back. You know, guys.

They can always go, hey, we're not only electric car business.

Okay. We fucked up. Well, that's what they probably should. Because most of the other car companies that do make electric cars. People really don't want them.

You know, like the porches, the tie cans. Like those outies, like the outie ones that are just like a couple of years old. You can get a half price. Yeah. Nobody wants them.

Nobody wants electric cars. Especially use electric cars. Yeah. That's weird. It is.

But if you think about it, like electronics, we think of as disposable. Right? You know, you don't want to buy someone's phone from 10 years ago. No, no. Right.

So you don't want to buy a Tesla from 10 years ago either. No. Right. Be more, they're great. There's another wrong with them.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People think of electronics as something you throw out and get new. Yes.

Engines. That's a different story. Yeah. Like a 2005 porcher is still very valuable. People love those.

Oh, yeah. Those things have gone through the roof lately, like with the porches. Yeah. No, so many guys that are just like buy it them up. Collecting them.

“Well, I think also as things become more electric and more numb.”

People like they really love the sound of engines and the feel that you get from those cars. The actual experience of it. Yeah. That's like as things get more and more digital, I think with AI and music and everything. People are going to want to see live performances more, you know?

And no doubt. Yeah. I think they want that experience. The experience of like raw live. Something that makes you feel alive.

Something all about the experience, man. All about it. Are you, you guys are touring again? Yeah. Coming up.

July, we're out. How fucking pumped you for that? A couple months. So pumped because of actually. We've been home.

We just, we did this big stadium tour with deaf leopard when all around the world. That tour was fuck. Two and a half years long. Wow. Like dude.

That's what I'm saying. So. And I started to realize I'm like fuck. I can't remember the last time I've been home. Like what the, what the break.

Like we intentionally were like, let's just. Fuck and take a year. Or more than a year off. And it, it wasn't until. 2016 was the last time.

We had, like, taken a, taken a break. So for me, it's just been fucking wonderful.

And, you know, going, now going into summer now. We're getting ready to go back out.

“But just having that time at home was really fucking cool.”

So I'm super, the grass is always greener dude.

Right. We, you know, when you're out there fucking ripping it. You're like, this is fucking rad. And then after a while, you're like, I shoot my own mom in the back to sleep in my fucking bed. You know?

Yeah. And then when you're at home too long, you're like, dude, I got to get out of here. Right. You know, I got to go fucking go do the shit. So it's, I don't know, that's a weird balance, you know.

You're, you're happy until it's too much. And then, you know,

“what's just achieving the balance, but it's awesome that you still love it so much after all these years.”

Oh, man. There really is. Dude, let me just, there's nothing better than imagine why it, let's trade places for a second. You're back there.

You're playing drums. And you've been doing this for a while. Long enough to see this is the fucking best in the world. You see your fans, all of a sudden, your fans have had children. Now, their children are on the shoulders of their, of their fucking parents who are your fans.

Now they're bringing their kids to the show. And their fucking kids are on their dad's shoulder going, shout, shout with the fucking devil horns up. And you're like, you're sitting there going like, dude. That kid.

What is he fucking ten? And he's just fucking, you know, and just to air drumming. Yeah, just to see that you've, you've sort of, you know, you've, I don't know, just if you've done a full circle to where now it's the whole another generation that's just now seeing this for the first time.

And they're fucking, and you're sitting back there playing going like,

that's pretty fucking incredible.

It's pretty fucking incredible. That doesn't get old, man. To watch that happen is probably why the, become the reason why I love it so much. That really, like, puts a fucking nail in it. You know what I mean?

Fuck that, that's, that's like, then that can only be achieved through time. Right? So that's nothing I've ever experienced until, until recently, in the last few years, I, you look out and you see a whole bunch of kids, man.

“And they're all just checking it out for the first time, maybe?”

Wow. For sure, some of them, right? And you're like, dude, fuck, this is wild. Wild. That's awesome, man.

Yeah, that's beautiful.

You've had an amazing life.

Yeah, it's been an amazing ride. And I'm so happy that you're enjoying it so much. Thanks, bud. Thank you. Thank you for being here, man.

It was really cool. Dude, we'll enjoy it. Thank you for having me, man. My pleasure. It's my pleasure.

I've been wanting to come by and see you and come hang out and talk shit. I'm glad we did it. Yeah. I'm glad we did it. All right.

Thank you. I love you too, bud.