JRE MMA Show #181 with Justin Gaethje & Trevor Wittman

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>> Gentlemen, first of all, thank you for being here.

I couldn't wait to talk to you. Congratulations on one of the most epic accomplishments in the history of combat sports, and that's not an understatement. I mean, it might be an understatement. I mean, it's not an overstatement, it's perfect.

That was one of the greatest nights I've ever experienced of watching anything in my life. It was amazing. And have you cap it off and win the title when you're facing a guy that everybody thought was at least number two pound for pound.

It was like him and Islam or number one and number two. And some odds had you at six to one, which I thought was very disrespectful. I thought, I thought, like, this is crazy, like six to once crazy. Like, Ellie is really good, but so's Justin, this is kind of nuts.

“To have you win the way you won in front of the fucking White House?”

>> Yeah, how's it feel? >> You know, it's really not really, I was expecting to have like an internal sense of relief that I don't have something to chase, 'cause I was chasing this belt. And I was expecting to wake up with like some kind of

natural release of pressure, but I don't know. I don't feel that. As the days go by every day, I feel a little bit more, a little bit more. Two days ago my dad was like, you know, what was it like waking up being the champion?

And I was like, I haven't even thought about that. And then I was, you know, on the shitter, like 10 minutes later, and I was sitting there thinking about, like, wow. I'm the fucking champion, like it's fucking crazy. And yeah, it's just, I mean, I've just been on the grind

for so many years now. My dad dropped me off 19 years ago in Colorado. I knew nobody to wrestle. And yeah, to see where I'm at now, it's just absolutely incredible.

I mean, there's really no way to explain how or why, you know, or like, why deserve it, or what? I mean, I worked my ass off. I have made mistakes, you know, I've done things the wrong way,

but I've always corrected and got back on the path.

“And, you know, I think the coach is the mentors,”

but mostly the coaches that I've been, you know, and the team that I have around me is a huge reason why I was able to stay on track and just keep moving forward and keep trusting that, you know, I belong in the top of the league. - Well, you've clearly shown it throughout your career

and having a great coach like Trevor and one of the reasons why I wanted to bring you in Trevor is 'cause you guys have a very unique relationship. First of all, I love the YouTube series, the Art of Violence, Fantastic.

And what's great is watching you guys work together and Trevor, you being very acutely aware of when to pull 'em back, when to ramp it up, when to push, like you guys, having a relationship like that is so critical because you guys know each other so well.

You've seen him perform so many times. You've seen him fight and perform in the gym that you know where he's at all the time. And having that sense of where your fighter is at any given time in camp 'cause you know him so well,

boy, that's a giant advantage. - It is. - Well, hold on. - Oh my God. - Just, there is two testies, one, two, three.

- Yeah, I think that's a huge advantage is knowing your athlete. And, you know, I've been doing this for a long period of time, but there's lots of coaches out there that consider their fighters, their friends. I do consider them one of my best friends,

but I put myself more in like a father position of I need to know when to tell them the truth. And I've got myself in trouble with that with fighters where you tell them the truth so hard

“that you have to let 'em go, like a child.”

Like, hey, if we were not in the same belief to go live life and see how it is and then when you return, I'm still gonna love you. Having that type of thing where I have to be dead on us for your career, not because it helps us now

and it feels good right now at the moment. I have to look at that from the time that we start, we talk about, you know, what are his goals? And then my job is to be an advisor, be a mentor to get him to that place as best as I can

because these are his goals. And I wanna support those. And in the beginning of his careers, his goals were to be the most violent guy out there, the most remembered, the guy that's,

every time someone bought a ticket, they remembered Justin Gaci selling that show. And then it turned into, no, I wanna have this belt. And that was hard because we did go and not get the belt twice. And you know, it's so cool to be in the kind of those scenarios

where it's like, Dan, you had two opportunities.

Now it's never gonna happen.

And that's what life is.

Life is one of those things that you keep getting up

and chase your goals.

You never know how it's gonna happen.

And yes, you wanna dream and you wanna have a plan. But I'll tell you right now through all the times that I've had championship fighters in business and life. The plans never work. You always have to adjust them.

But it's that dream and that vision to get you to stop the stairs.

“You have to get up each one of those steps.”

So, you know, Justin went out there and wrote a story that I don't think will ever be forgotten. And he did it one round of the time. And that's what impresses me because his mindset, I love the mental game.

I love the talk about the mental game. Even like Iliya, Iliya's a special guy with how he uses his mental, the secret, the, if I see it, I believe it, it'll happen. To a point.

You know, it's like, I always tell people,

like, if you want, if you go down the ice cream aisle and you're like, hey, I don't know what ice cream I want, you're gonna stand there and go, oh, that one looks good, that one looks good. That one looks good.

The people that are like, I want Mint chocolate chip. You get in there, you get it done, you grab that Mint chocolate chip and you walk out. Very similar to Iliya's last three fights. He went out there and he demanded what he wanted.

His confidence got him through that. But it makes it very hard when you get that stale nasty, rotten Mint chocolate chip, because you start to go, oh, shit. What is gonna happen now?

“So I think the relationship that we have is me guiding him,”

me pulling him back at the strictly situation. Hey, let's pull back a little bit. Let's focus on what's going on. I don't want no distractions. And having someone, and he trusts that I care about him.

I love him the death. I love his family. Like, our relationship is so strong and I need that with my athletes. And I'm just blessed and 100, you know, I say honored,

but more and more importantly humbled by someone

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Streaming, but not so, wow. You said something about Ilya, about the fight, about having expectations. And you said, you don't have any expectations when you fight that way, you don't get thrown off.

Yeah, I mean, it's huge. I mean, my expectations come from my hard work. Obviously, I expect my body to perform. I understand that I've trained my mind to, and maybe the narcissistic tendencies

can be love showing off and performing in front of thousands of people on that stage. That's what I love the most about this. And that's what my personality, like I'm very competitive.

I want to win, but I'm never going to lie to myself.

“And that's how I've never had a coach in my entire career.”

Since four years, all the rest of me have to pull me aside and talk about the mental aspect of competition, because it's always been so natural to me. I'm not sure if it's because they see that I'm doing good and that they agree with my approach mentally,

or they don't understand what's going on, or, but I've just always been so comfortable and so content with my situation of, you know, this is the competition's game. You know, I'm very competitive, I'm very petty,

I take everything personal. And yeah, when I go in there with X, I have gone in with expectations.

I said it before the fight, you know,

Alien, I said so many true things to him.

“And I think it was such an asset to tell someone”

that brutal truth, especially someone like him, because it pushes them farther away from the truth. You know, even if I tell them the exact truth and exactly what's going to happen, and you know, you're making a mistake

by having all these expectations and when we go to round two and when we go to round three and it's not going as you predicted it or wanted it to or expected it to, then where do you go from there?

And, you know, I said that exact thing to him and then that pushed him farther away from it. And, you know, it's almost like you wanted to prove you wrong. Yeah, he wanted to prove you wanted to prove himself right. You know, when he was unwilling to be open to opinions

and because obviously I don't know him, he knows him better than himself, but you know, I, I hear 'cause I am coachable. I hear 'cause I listen, I use every, every, like I post it yesterday,

every person place I think that has happened to me

or for me has ultimately molded my mind

in my body to be able to deal with the situation that happened on Sunday night. And, you know, I can, I can pull so much experience from the past, my losses, my wins, setbacks, failures, accomplishments.

I mean, there was so much to learn from it. You know, every day is a learning experience and I constantly try to learn and be better. And, I don't know why I'm able to perform like that.

“I think, I just think it to, I am, you know,”

when I say I wanted to be the most exciting fighter ever, it's not that I wanted to be the most exciting fighter ever. The thought of that was fucking cool to me, you know, but I was just being me and I've been blessed to be able to, you know, through my childhood

to come from a small town, through having, you know, unwavering support from my family and my friends and my coaches and my teachers and everybody from, you know, it's just crazy to be able to come out on top.

I mean, it's just crazy. One of the things I think was a giant factor in the fight is that you have been in wars. You've been in a bunch of wars. - Yeah.

- And Ilya really had only had some rough moments against Jai Herbert, you know, use of Zalau gave them some problems but it was nothing serious. The wars that you've been in, these just down and dirty brawls that you've been in,

you're comfortable with the back and forth. You're comfortable with enduring. You know, you know, that you're not gonna break. You know, if your body holds up, you're gonna keep fighting and you can endure.

I don't think you'd ever experienced that before. So when you didn't break in the second round and I think you made a mistake and I think you're correct about that. You said you made a mistake by going to the ground.

- Absolutely. - And he hurt you to the body.

“- I told Trevor yesterday, I think, you know,”

him hurting to my body was the reason, one of the main reasons I won. You know, when he hit me, when I dropped, it wasn't the first time he hit me in the body. That was probably the fourth or fifth one

and he had landed some really clean shots and he could probably sense that I was in trouble and hurt and I think that fact made him dump everything because it was his last chance to take me out and he almost did take me out.

But when I went down in hindsight,

it's always easy to make these decisions in hindsight

but when I went down, you know, he would be that he's had way more submissions than he has knockouts and so for him not to have that belief that he's gonna be able to go down there, especially with the copyright,

especially with the Charles Oliver fight, especially with all the negativity around my grappling. You know, I think he would've been foolish enough to, 'cause I was to the back up. I would've stood back up on him.

He would've charged forward, tried to finish me. I would've jumped on his legs, I would've pulled guard. He was gonna end up on top of me no matter what. I wasn't gonna sit there and trade with him again. Like, I would've, you know, felt rolled into grappling situations

or whatever, I would've made him cover me. And, but I think me getting hit is what made him completely blows, you know, Shane Carwinesque, blow his tank and, you know, go for the win. And I think that was the choice he had to make

because it was gonna continue to get worse.

I'd be disaster in the first round.

Like, it might've been close in the scorecards. I absolutely took the first round, but they amount of damage that I inflicted in the first round, set up the rest of the fight. - I do think it was a mistake.

And you're saying, what you're saying is so correct. But what I'm saying is from a standpoint of him demanding it, he's gonna finish you in the first two. Understanding the damage that he was taking, he took big risk, he got in there,

he kept his hands on your collar bones, he was landed really good shots, he had the two body shots before that, that left to deliver, that the sound it made was crazy.

That last one was clean, it was precise and deep,

but you could tell it was already there, but if he didn't put that pressure on his self, and this is what I mean by mistake is like,

“when you come out, you have to know that you're going five rounds.”

And he knew that he had to unleash everything right there. If he would've been smart in that scenario saying, hey, we got five rounds, let me step back a little bit. Let me do some damage, but also he's like, hey, let me get you out of there quick,

just and, you know, can't grapple, can't do all these things with a lot of people think, which just is a great grappler. And what was so smart about you is, when you get tired, that's where the worst decisions happen.

So that's one of my big things is coaching us. We get someone tired, and then we make a make bad decisions, and then we capitalize on those mistakes. Justin was able to stay so composed here with being speared to the body.

And when you take a liver shot, it is way different than the head shot. A head shot is like taking a shot with your buddies at the bar. It's like, hey, let's go, you know, when you take a body shot, you're dying.

Like your liver shot, you feel like you're dying. And Justin, all the decisions he made on the ground, from the triangle, from the on bar, from that being flat, so many good decisions were made in that scenario.

And I do think it was a mistake. Obviously, there's so many different ways it could go, but those, those type of moments and fights are what makes fights great, is overcoming obstacles. And he had set that up, he had said it.

He's like, hey, I'm gonna overcome anything.

“I'm going out there, put the worst thing out there,”

like, what do you get to do to be? I've already been knocked out the last second of a freaking huge fight by Max. Like, you can't do nothing worse to me. And that mindset, I think is something to take away

for all the fighters out there that always,

I love how you say it, expect a war always. Some of the biggest mistakes that I've made with fighters that I had is allowing them to think that they're gonna go through this fight easy. And then that fight becomes super hard.

You think it's gonna be a war that you're like, hey, it wasn't as bad as I was expected. Even if it was a little bit of a war, they're not gonna help them in that moment. - Yeah, there's no pulling them out.

- That's fighting, fighting like fighting is mentality. I look at this, like, there's techniques out there and there's things like that. What makes this sport inspirational, it makes someone that wanna go out there

and beat cancer because they were inspired by a fighter. It's not the technical piece. It's getting back up and it's okay to get knocked down. I love watching people get knocked down 'cause my favorite part is seeing how they get up.

And that to me is why I love fighting. Is how people get up. - Yeah, how they endure and that was the big story

of that second round that you figured out a way

to get through it and the change in tempo in the third round was very obvious.

“Because the sprint that you have to make”

like what Ilya did when he was trying to finish you, that he used so much fucking energy. And the great jail son in one said that if you try to win by knockout and fail, you won't win by submission.

- Yeah. - A lot of times that's the case because you know as good as anybody, if you fucking sprint at heart, you whale on the bag with fucking everything you got for two minutes.

And then they go time, one minute's not enough. It's not enough. - Even in preparation. - Even two minutes. - Even two minutes.

- Yeah. - That was crazy too. That was crazy too. - That was crazy too. - For these fights, I'm doing 20, 30, 40 second sprints

at most. I mean, that was a two minute sprint for him. - Yes. - And full out. - Full out.

- Full out. - Full power. - Everything full power. - Every punch full power. - I shouldn't even train for that.

- Yeah, you got to have spots. - Right. - And he didn't, he was just unloading. I mean, that's a young man with a tremendous amount of confidence because he's a two division world champ.

And anything she's going to go down is a greatest of all time. And hey, he might still. - He might still. - He might still.

- It was 28. - The odds are fucking great against that right now. - Because of that loss. - I hope he does. - I hope he does and I know that he has a skill.

- Right. - I know that he has this skill to be a champion again. However, I same thing with 21st. I didn't break Tony Ferguson's confidence. I changed the perception of his opponents of him.

And that is a huge factor when you go in there. Like, who are you fighting? Before this, he was a guy that would, that you couldn't get through, that you couldn't push through, you couldn't survive with.

And once I showed people that all you got to do is get through that, then nobody's ever going to go in there with thinking that he's unbeatable now. - Right. - And that was his identity.

And that's going to be such a tough task for him to fight people that aren't scared of him. - That's interesting. That's Mike Tyson and his prime. That's Anderson Silva and his prime.

Where the fight was lost. The wrong way was that in there. - Yeah. - If fight was lost before he got, even got in there.

Physically, then now I don't know what the truth is,

but all these reports are that he has two fractured orbitals and a broken nose. Just that alone, just the orbitals alone.

Any time you've got eye injuries,

like anything severe with your eyes,

long-term consequences vary. You know, psychological. - Absolutely. And physical body is resilient. - Like I'm telling you, I have problems.

- No controls make stronger bones. Like his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his orbital bones will be stronger. - It depends on where. - It depends on where.

- Just in the orbital bone, I had my orbital broken. And for six months, I did this and my tooth removed. And it's right where my sinus cavity is.

“You remember when you hit it with a spinning elbow?”

- Your tooth would move. - Dude, I couldn't do it. - Right here, cheek. - And I toothed it with. - Oh.

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That's drinkag1.com/jorogon. I still feel this last spot, but this is a very weak area where your sinus cavity is that's it. And you broke both orbitals and the nose.

Do you believe the funny is for real? Yes. You've seen the X-ray and marobos. Do you do I sound like you? It looks like it's fine.

Oh, dude. He's got 33 vertebrae. Oh, actually, I believe I'm crazy. I've had three broken noses. I've had a fixed twice.

Yeah, I know you had a fixed. You know, this is what that's, that's marobos. Oh my God, I mean, that looks like a long cocaine binge right there. It took out the whole bucket left side of his boat. Don't say you had hit with a sledgehammer.

I mean, that's crazy. That nose is crazy. That is crazy. That is like, and to fix it, he's going to have to have no contact for like a year.

“Yeah, that's how he's not going to fix it.”

Yeah. He's just going to deal. Look how turned it is. Make that the bone. I've had my eyes fixed and my nose fixed and my nose was better for quality

of life. Oh, the nose is a bit over the sea was huge, but when you nose is broken, like, you have to understand, like, getting a haircut, fucking sucks. You can't breathe through your nose. You mouth open the whole time.

You're constantly breathing and fucking hair. Like there's so much, every time you eat food, like there's just something missing, sleep I wore a nose trip to bed for 10 years now. No, I'm just going to have a permanent scape because the people that they got off all the time.

Yeah, we know that it's used to it now, but yeah, when you got to fix the pain, when you got to fix which fight was it before the max fight? Yeah, right before the max fight, and then you could breathe out of it perfectly. Yeah. Is this still good now?

Yeah, he broke it. But he didn't break. He didn't fuck with the correlative. He broke. He actually fractured the bone up top, so I didn't have to get a fix.

It's another factor that when we were talking about the fight and, you know, people were

“talking about this matchup with Ilya, I said, "You have to think about what he did to”

physique. physique is a super talented striker." And then you also have to think about the max hallway fight because he was pressing in the first round, but he got caught with a jump spinning back kick to the fucking face. And when that was, that's a, that's a game changer and it happened at the end of the

first round and from that it changed the tone of the fight because it was just dead on. It was perfect. Yeah. The truth of the matter is, is psychologically I was not, I was not there. I was not prepared mentally for the fight when I fought Max hallway.

It was such a different circumstance.

It was, you know, a guy that wasn't in my way class, it was a guy that I'd never thought

about fighting. It was for fun and that whole, the whole experience was so different than any other fight I've ever had when it comes to being mentally prepared for fight. What do you attribute that to like, what was himself, my, my, my, and us, like, we took way to, we told him to fight, he didn't want to take the fight and we told him that you're

going to keep the, the title contention fight because that's what they promised us. That's why he was very, very, one of you guys, everyone, he was like, oh, something was different. It was like, well, why didn't you guys fucking say something, he, you told me after the fight.

I mean, it was different, but like, I needed to know he told me, he's like, he's like, he's like, I just didn't respect him and I'm like, how could you not respect Max? And I didn't catch onto it. So it's like, I'm always looking for flags and things like that and 100% I take 100% responsibility because that's how we learn.

Everybody makes mistakes.

I remember the Tony Ferguson fight. I didn't give any fucking water. You know, like, there's like things that we all learned from.

“But the thing when he had told me that, I'm like, how did I not catch that from you?”

Cause he's like, dude, he was a smaller guy, just didn't, and I was like, dude, Max is like, one of the guys that I look up to from the outside of like, he is talented. I remember thinking, what, what am I looking for? Like, what am I afraid of? I kept trying to convince myself that I need to be, I need to find what I was to be worried

about and I couldn't find it.

So you always need that before a fight?

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No matter what. I mean, you're fighting. Right, no.

Right. And so like, I was, I've never been as present and like, um, I've never been able to retain a fight and I, you know, before the knockout, I was there. Like, I was in the, I was in the, I was in the, in the arena. I saw the lights.

I saw the people, I heard the people, like, I've never been there in my life.

“And I think that I can attribute that to me, not being scared.”

And so me, not, you know, me, not being in a real fight or flight. Real life or death situation. Yeah. Yeah. So you weren't fully focused.

You could actually hear the crowd. Yeah. I could hear my thoughts, you know, I had thoughts.

Never had thoughts in a fight because I'm so intuitive and reactionary.

And that one was just so dear, there was so much, and so sure the kicks, the iPokes. No, I think I was not, I couldn't have beaten the night with the mentality that I had. And that was my last lesson to learn. I had made my lesson, you know, my lessons with all of error was like, I wanted it so much.

I wanted it so bad. And I wanted to perform and I wanted to impress my fans, you know, Rose had a fight that night and she thought, like, absolute garbage. And I, you know, and I told my coach as a coach to Hoyow, I won't do that to you. He said that before.

Right before about to walk as I don't worry, coach, so you don't have a lady like that. And coach is pissed and everyone's, you know, my, the locker room is all fucked up because Pat's fucking weird.

“Is that the Carlos bars of fight was that same night?”

Yeah. Yeah. And I was at home. And so there was just, and that was again, that was my fault. I allowed those things to affect me and to, you know, affect.

My fighting decisions rather than just being myself. And so that was a huge mistake. Another mistake was, you know, winning two or three times in a row and just kind of becoming complacent with how serious what we do is and how dangerous this game is and how much luck and chance are a factor every single night.

And so, you know, I wasn't doing the extra credit, I wasn't sitting in this on a at home. You know, I don't know. I don't know why. And then I made that mistake, probably into the Eddie Alvarez, Dustin Porea fights, lost. And then I won three or four in a row and then I completely went back to the same mindset

of, on the best in the world. No, we could be, and I paid for it. And those two mistakes were huge, very, very big learning lessons. And then the, the Charles Oliveira fight, you know, I was like, I wanted it so bad and then I made the moment so much bigger than it actually was because it's just 25 minutes in time.

And it's all I can control as being perfect. My preparation for it, but then ultimately being there for 25 minutes and being perfect. And yeah, those are the mistakes that I made. I had to learn. I had to make those mistakes.

I would not change anything about my career. I think the farther back into my career, you go, the more special this moment is. And, you know, I think, in time, again, I, this is an age like my career is something special. The way that I did it, the way that I lost, the way that I stayed on track, the way that I, you know, threatened retirement, if I wasn't going to get a title champ, a title shot.

The way I called my shots along the way, then the discipline I had, I mean it's second to none. I've watched his sport my whole life since 1982, my dad showed me, I remember as a four-year-old senior. I don't have a lot of, you know, great memories.

I remember my childhood, but it's like you have specifics. But I remember seeing it for my first time in my dad's bedroom, we were sitting there watching it together and I was, and I was, and through all of it, I was like, this is, this is amazing. I love this.

Did you picture that? Here with like a baby bottle, just queues of it. I was like, "I didn't think you were all like that. I was like, "I didn't think you were all like that." I was like, "I was a, I was a, I was a, a hard fan.

I've been a, a, a hard fan ever since then." Especially in 2001 when it came along, I was, you know, probably in seventh or eighth grade, sixth or seventh grade. And just fell in love with it. And then, you know, I mean, college went into college, we'd go and sit at both of the

wild wings for a six, seven, eight hours, spend five dollars, those poor service to people.

It's just amazing that you've been able to keep this ferocious mentality for so long.

Because I remember when you first entered into the UFC, the Michael Johnson f...

pumped for it because I was like, "Get ready." Because this is going to be fucking wild.

“Because I had been a fan of yours when you were fighting, what was it, World Series fighting?”

And then that Michael Johnson fight was everything that I thought it would be. Fucking crazy, just a wild ass fight. Crazy coming out, party. Give it, I giggled so many times in that fight. Dude, when you, when it gets to cage and you're like this, you look back and you were like,

"Oh, I'm looking for the shot." You're like, "Block it off the thick." Dude, you come back with the right hook and then you let it back in again. You hit it with the right hook again off the cage. Dude, there's so many giggled sessions in there. Uh, I wasn't nervous because just again, that's the way he fights him.

I'm like, "You know what's going to forget this fight?" Michael Johnson was swinging, and he caught him with that lifeheads a few times. Well, that's the same left hand. He knocked out Dustin. Yeah, his left hand is so fast. He did it, so fast.

And Michael's power, that he does. Yeah, dude, and he was trying to win. I mean, he was going all out that you guys just emptied out in that fight. It was fantastic. And I was like, "There it is."

The three rounder did get off the back flip. Took three rounds. He got up there, fell on him, got up there, fell on him. I was like, "You can do it. You're out out there, little baby."

I always get so scared for your knees when you do that.

Like, please, don't hurt your knees after you won the time. 100% baby, and we're trying this, yeah. We're trading for Kabib, we're over at high altitude. He's doing back flips off the cage and I was like, "Stop." They're doing this after the fight.

Yeah, he's like, "Hey, no more back falls like today. Today's the day. The day he's there, he'll become a bitch." [LAUGHTER] Like, the day he's there.

I'll get that moment. He's like, "You know what? I turned my head off and was like, "Stop." Go ahead. That is kind of true, right?

When you get something and all of a sudden you're special, then you start protecting it, and then you won't be special anymore. Yeah, there's a part of it.

“That's why I told him I was like, "Today's the day.”

He's fucking crazy."

I never want him to stop being fucking crazy.

Like, everything about him in life. When you play golf with him, he's the highlight. He does shit that you'll never fucking see. Like, it's like, "Everything you do is the highlight." Like, his life is like his fighting.

He's fucking wild. So your mentality, you've never had to work on, I mean, obviously you've learned lessons along the way, but you've never had to sit down and work on this mindset. It's always been something you inherently possessed.

Yeah. Yeah, I think, um, it's crazy. I think he's pretty crazy. I think people just complicated things so much. Like, when you can truly understand that there is things you can't control,

but it's not everything. You can only control what's inside of you. You know, you can only control how you proceed things, how you react to things. The words you put in.

The word obviously, the preparation. Yeah. But it's, um, I mean, there's so much, you know,

and I guess I always knew that something was coming

because no matter how far off the road, you know, like, I've made mistakes. You know, I've done, I was never in, I think, I was never in alcohol, I can never live. But I was, I could say I was probably a drug addict.

It's, you know, one time in my life. And what drugs? I don't know. I haven't ever told my parents about this. So, you don't have to.

All of them. All of them. I want to, so, but it's, you know, and no this is going to sound stupid. But so I went to school for human services. I wanted to help people.

A big part of that is helping people come off drugs. And I lost many over a handful of friends. Really close friends from drugs. Where I come from, we're not far from Mexico. And we had the best.

We had the best hit coming right across the border before I ever got cut up. And it was, um, it was my life, you know, where I'm from, was very boring. And so, like you chase, again, you know, we have it so good in this country.

We're always trying to create chaos in order to feel something.

“And I guess that's what I was probably doing.”

And in college is when I really, you know, if I'm going to help people come off of drugs, then how can I ever even try to understand if I don't know what they're chasing. And so, that was a part of it. You know, also a part was felt good, you know.

And so, you know, once I did certain things, I knew what people were chasing. But then I always knew that something was bigger for me and better for me. And I had something to do. And so, that was always, it was never a crutch for me.

I was always like, that was awesome. You know, I'm not doing it again. What did you sit in your head that were you always knew that you had something bigger? Well, probably my faith.

I mean, I've been, my parents, the best thing that everything for me was make me go to church every single Sunday. And creative relationship with God through the Word of Jesus Christ. And just trying to live up to those expectations.

I knew, not that I was going to be a champion or anything.

I just knew that I couldn't take the easy way out, you know.

“When you're on drugs, or when you're, when you're living a lifestyle like that,”

then nobody expects anything from you. Nobody wants anything from you. And that's an easy way to live, you know. Those, uh, there's no pressure. No expectations.

No expectations, no pressure. And I mean, it really is, I can understand how you can let that overcome the passion to live, you know. And, um, I don't know.

I just think the passion to live because of my faith has never

outweighed my desire to feel good. I want to talk about the shift that you made in your career from being the most exciting guy in the world, wanting to be the most exciting guy in the world, being happy with performing to the best of your ability, whether you win or lose to wanting to get the belt. What, what was, what, what started that decision?

“It's weird because I don't remember a time or a day where I made a change.”

Other than I'm not going to get hit, you know, in the dust and pour a fight in the Eddie Alvarez fight, I, I absolutely almost broke them. And it was no different than any of my other fights. Nobody just ever, same with the idea, you know, like, no we ever got past it. No we've ever been able to withstand the ferocity of my actions for two or three

rounds. And then those guys did. And I was like, what happened? You know, and ultimately, I put myself in a position and I got hit with a shot that took me out of the fight. And so after those fights, I was like, I have to not take these shots. And that was ultimately all I can say that I, that I changed mentally is I'm going to,

I don't want to get hit. I used to never care about getting hit because it's like,

doesn't hurt. Nothing hurts in there. You don't feel nothing. It's never hurt. And so that was really just a mindset. I just need to not let them get me in a predicament where I'm not able to really have to stop the fight.

“There was just an instant shift. There was the two losses in a row with Eddie and Paulier.”

And he said, "Hey, I'm going to do the same thing for you. You're going to do the same thing for me. You're going to do the same thing for me. And you're going to do the same thing for me. And you're going to do the same thing for me. And you're going to do the same thing for me. And you're going to do the same thing for me. And you're going to do the same thing for me. And you're going to do the same thing for me. And you're going to do the same thing for me.

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“And I tell my wife, I'm like, hey, why can't I forget?”

Because she's like from there. And I'm like, Justin, she looks every like. So fuck you got to leave all sorts of jokes before. One of the things you were doing early in your career.

That I always thought was so wild.

Was you were late kicking people from a collar tie. Like you were late kicking. I was like, oh my goodness. I'm like, oh my goodness. But we have no one's doing that.

Like you were one of the only guys that I saw that was doing that. That was from the clench was late kicking. You've got some fucking flexible hips, man. Because the way you're able to do that from like right in tight like this. And then, and not just you pull the leg out.

You're holding it in. Yeah, he pulls them to their leg. So he's making a base on that knee. And then it's just like you've got to stomp in the ground. And you're just trying to bend that tree.

Yeah, man, he's very good at that. Let me tell you something about Luke. Because I got into the octagon at right after you won. And Luke, you know, looked at each other. He was like, ha ha ha.

He's like, he's like, he's like. He's like, he's like dope. He's like dope. He's like dope. He's so hard.

He was so happy. He was amazing. He was amazing. Because seeing all those videos and knowing he's in camp with you all the time and knowing how much he loves you.

Watching the happiness that he had. Yeah.

You won was fucking incredible.

Oh, Luke is one of my really, really good friends. Huge every time before the fight. Every time. Before Trevor was in my corner, Luke caught him. He used to go to Arizona with me.

I had no coaches. I would just do it in between between rest and seasons. And yeah, he would go down there with me and just wrap my hands. And he would just be there. Wow.

He's amazing. One of the best human beings on earth. Yeah, I love them. Thank you. Tell him about the Sunday.

So the Sunday before the fight. So there was one time.

“I think it was in the cowboy fight where you were you were pummeling with Ben.”

And he finished with a low kick on Ben every time. And I'm like, stop kicking your coach. And he looks at me. He's like, he's like, Trevor. He used to drag me back on the mats.

He's like, oh my god. Oh, my god. He's giving me this fucking. Give me this opportunity to beat his ass. So we go golfing.

Joe. Sunday. We go golfing the Sunday before the fight. We get their Saturday. We go golfing Sunday.

And you know, it's the Sunday.

We never work out on Sundays.

And Trevor, not Trevor. Luke and Ben got fucking pickled. Oh, my god. They each had like three very, very, very stiff. Um, um, uh, body berries.

Luke bought like 12 beers. Because we got there and the hair. Everything's on the president. And he's like, fuck yeah. I've never heard that before.

He's on the president. I'm going to drink. And it's like, whole 10 or 11. Trevor's like, let's fuck with them. Let's tell them that we're going to work out later.

So what, we're going to work out. But I'm telling them they're going to be the workout. I didn't know we were working out. Put it. I had no fucking.

I thought he was fucking with me. We're out there golfing. It's hard to shit. I'm sweating my ass off.

“I had no idea we were working out that day.”

He's like, let's fuck with them. Let's tell them that we're going to work out. All right. Cool. So I thought about where I was going to text him and give the workout.

Cause I'll lay out the workout for everybody. I told Luke he's going to go three rounds of sparring a full on sparring. And then Ben's got to go 40 minutes straight. No breaks. Just grappling.

I've wrestling. Just grappling. And they're fucked up. I did it. I told Justin.

I was like, all right. Let's fuck with us. See how he is. It dude instantly. Before I did text it, we just started talking about it.

So we're on the way home driving home and dude. Ben is like, dude. He's like, he's like, I'll just take you down. And he's like, I asked him how many times you can take him down. It's many times I want.

There's like 40 minutes. So they went 20 through the U.S. What, seven submissions on your coach. He drugged him back on the mat. So it was so funny.

Because I was like, dude, you got to drag him back up the mask. I got to quit this thing. It's funny because I got a video. I went home. I go down, take a nap for like two hours.

And they just stay drinking up. I can shit. My YouTube guy filmed everything. And they're just talking so much shit. I'm going to fuck me.

Luke was going down. Luke was like, yeah. Luke's been doing. He's like, you know how to say that? Like Luke's like, I ain't saying, hey, this.

Not me and Tim. But they're making a plan. How they're going to team up on me.

So he's funny.

And then he got the video there. And I'm being Ben's ass.

I know actually I went with Luke first.

And I was fucking him up. Luke's fucking Ben because Ben won't jump in. And he's like, what the fuck man? What the fuck man? Now's the time.

And he's asking for help asking for help. I beat his ass. And I didn't have one for sure. It looks great. Great coaches.

Our whole team is just everybody so dialed in. Yeah. That whole week is one of my every time we go. That whole week is one of my favorites. You were using the sauna in between workouts as well.

And before it's our real work. Nothing. That's just sucked. I say it was perfect. You say it was perfect.

It was not. It was detrimental to our outside. Yeah. The humidity was there. I didn't realize it because obviously it's not.

You know, it's not something I can worry about right now. But after round one, I just remember everything in. Oh fuck. I am so tired right now. How is this possible?

And the amount of fluid I lost. Thank God. It was in the 70s. Yeah, 70s with the cool breeze. You know, when you go out there.

What you feel is the cool breeze. Just heavy air though. In the fire man. It was different. Yeah.

I hated the fact that it was going to happen. But I'm glad it did. Yeah. Again, I would not. Again, I think.

How could you change? He's a city boy. There's no way he's not a city. Why don't no one personally. But there's no way he's not a city boy.

You know, and so as a country, country boy from the desert and Arizona. Like, I was hoping that it would be hot. Hot as fuck. Hot as fuck. Yeah.

Like, would he sit down and do? I was like, oh, bad. These outside fights kill me. Yeah. Yeah.

He was. Yeah. After round one. Like, dude, he was shaking. Dude, he was like trembling.

I was like, holy shit. Well, it is crazy to ask people to defend a world title in a completely alien environment.

They never have fights in.

We've had how many fights outside. We've had the Abu Dhabi fight.

“And like, was that 2,000 and fucking nine or something like that?”

Yeah. Oh, they did. Didn't die. What was the setting? I wasn't there.

It was. It was. It was. It was. It was.

It was. It seemed like the environment was outside. Poor you're getting against that. You know, we're going to be. You know, we're going to be.

We're going to be. Yeah, we're going to be. Yeah, we're going to be. Well, we did one in Abu Dhabi when BJ. The big arena lost to Frankie Edgar.

That was outside in Abu Dhabi. And that was when Anderson Silver fought Damien Maya. Is that what they had with that Ferrari building? The Ferrari building was there. But I don't know if it was in the same place.

Did they have a fight in the Ferrari building? I think they did. But I wasn't there for that one. I only went to one of the Abu Dhabi fights. Yeah, it wasn't.

It wasn't that long ago. I thought we could do it in the last seven years. Remember to do it in Morocco said after the first round he was done. He was just trying to survive. He said it was so hot, member.

“Yeah, no, I mean, that's what I remember.”

It being over there. And then, you know, once you realize the climate over there in the humidity, it's like, do you remember us in a fucking boat dog? Member boat dog fights.

They had a fight outside in the sun on the beach. Caesar palace in Vegas. I remember Caesar palace. They had a boxing. We got to fight there. Well, who is a fighting around the NASCAR event?

Yeah, that was crazy. The ran versus her. They were great. Yeah, that's true. That's right.

At least Vegas is dry. Yeah. Totally. It's on a Vegas. Yeah.

Humidity was what I was turning for with him was heat stroke. Like the Ellen with the way you can't breathe. It's heavy air, like, like, so we put in water on the rocks. The surrounding as well. Absolutely.

And so we trained in a hotter jam. I'd turn it temperature up at the gyms. Just so he's getting used to dealing with a little bit more heat stroke. We would spike my heart rate. And then I would go in the sauna 15 minutes.

And I would come out and do the retreat to 10 rounds. Yeah. That was great. I'm so glad we did it. Very smart, very smart.

Because that environments. I mean, it's so completely different.

“I just, ultimately, I think the best way to fight is obviously the way you use it.”

Yeah, controlled environment. That's how it should be. It was cool, though, Joe. You know why so cool? So we went, we went, we went, did it rehearsal.

Okay. And I'm like, why are we rehearsing it walk through? Like, if there's a vein of freaking wedding. Like, just tell us where to go.

The camera guys are always like, all right.

Your mark here. I'm just following the camera. So why are we doing this? And then we go there. And we get stuck in this locker room for two hours.

Because of rain. And thank God that happened. Because then I started to go, oh, because it's all unexpected. And how Elliot said, hey, I'm a visualizer. I can't visualize this arena.

And I visualized a lot too. So I was like, I felt the exact same thing when he said that. And that's when I knew, hey, these are going to be some huge unknowns. And I had told him that night, because the rain was coming. Like, it was crazy how the storm split around.

Because it was all bright red. I was like, this is thunderstorms. Yeah. And we're talking about pushing the fight to 10 30 PM. We had planned to fight next year to the night.

Two in a morning. I started to say it up till like 3 a.m. After the rehearsal. I was like, yeah.

Yeah.

And when we fight, I was just starting to say it up.

But that's what was cool.

“Like the walkout, like having the soldiers, like, did just walking through the soldiers.”

There was that. We weren't able to take any of this in Joe. And I can't really speak for him. I know where his mind's up. I couldn't from a coaches standpoint.

I was nervous as fuck because you don't know. There's no pattern.

I could take on right now.

And kind of put myself and breathe to it. It was very unique. And at the end, I couldn't even really smile. It was just like, dude. I'm just like blown away.

Now I can kind of just look around slowly and just try to take in everything. Because it was very, very hard to to go through that scenario with the pressure of us fighting on this stage at the White House. We're the Americans. We're a 6 to 100 dog. That gets to you.

You know, when you hear that over and over and over and over and over, no, it's, you know, you can, you can, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't,

The oval office stepping out and then all the soldiers walking through so cool like having the two guys next to him and a lot of people complained about this happening at the White House and but Do you don't think this is cool this is like how could you not like this despite anyone not this shouldn't be taking place the

“Life is a fight world is a place incredible to watch”

It's a wild thing to watch by the way how much gold did Trump put on those walls Look at these fucking gold designs. We're here at the the oval office first thing I said is I was like this They smell as hell like you and I see it on pictures that like seemed so big and I was at but the gold pieces on the wall It's the first thing I was like they dust that shit every day because dude it was so clean Well, he put that up there. Really that was there none of that was there. He was explained to me

There was no gold. I wanted to have gold. He's got a gold cherub like a solid gold cherub that's above like one of the doors Because if Putin comes hopefully it doesn't fall in his head. It's like he's got gold everywhere It's all him. He redesigned a bunch of the things. You know, he's a buildup. Right. So that's why you wanted to do the ballroom That's why you wanted to keep it. You know, he likes everything in gold. He's a gold guy Was out of the powers but watch we were just watching you look at the declaration of independence before you walked out

Which is also wild like this is never gonna happen again

This is more historic than rumble in the jungle more historic than it

“I mean think about all the great fights that we've all watched as kids that were like remember that”

This tops everything because of the scene because of the fact that not only is it at the White House But the American who's a six to one on some books underdog pulls it off in spectacular fashion and just the seesaw of the Back and forth the fight was fucking huge because the second round was crazy It was like oh no, it's letting it go on again when it's our corner y'all the coaches were like Dude, they're gonna stop it and I was said out loud. I was like, please let it go on and I just wanted to finish like a

Defended of ending dude because that would have been a point where it's like especially with him Go and have want to go and continue and then we have got to come out and say you are God for Mark God. Yeah, okay Cause if it wasn't from Mark God or if another less he wants it out for me You think you did he want it out. Yeah, you don't you don't know for a fact You do not ever as a fighter say I cannot see it's over and he was counting on that

He said he had already stated he didn't need to say it again He did not think there was I don't think he thought there was but you think that he called God or a turkey internally He was like when he said oh, you're gonna play I was playing that moment. He just like I don't you know I'm I've tried and it might have been like, you know the little devil on a shoulder trying to get him out and then he reevaluated and re-thunk in understood that he had to keep fighting because you say come

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“Well, it was um it was a big factor that got her to let it go on because then we got to see that epic fourth round”

Which is fucking crazy which was just and the end when you landed that knee the body that was like the final Oh, yeah, that was it. Yeah, but he's right. He landed that heavy baby. He just starts top of it Where he got me on the lid Yeah, and then then he has to quit on a stool and if got her had just given to that referee or that judges or the doctors or other desires It is I love how you punch right here right on the spot

Yeah, all right there. Oh, right where I just lay out. Yeah, he did not like that and that was the end Crazy, I mean, it's crazy how different it's so again being a fan of the sport

I've got to watch you know, I would have usually watched this from and yeah, I would have been the most fucking incredible thing ever

Being the fighter, you know, you really not Appreciating any of that because you're so locked in to it's like golfie like you don't know, but golfie is like certain swing thoughts

“You know, and nothing else can come in nothing can creep in and so”

We're looking at the Declaration of Independence. I was looking at it, but I I didn't I didn't take it in as as this being the deck with I was sitting there and I was like, okay Got to reset his feet got to control got to move left got to move left can't get against the fence You know, and then those were the thoughts I'm having as they'll do the whole walkout And so I'm really not taking any of it in as it as it as it you know as the show or as the

The atrics of it of course not watching it in hindsight. Obviously is it's fucking awesome There was something special about you warming up with the American flag around your shoulder, too I were watching that there was something special about watching you shadow box before all this with the American flag on I was like If he wins good Lord if he wins tonight It's going to be fucking insane and it was is the the feeling of like joy throughout the building throughout the grounds like the happiness that

Everybody has seen had been there to see such an incredible event and such an amazing cap to that event with your fine It was just nuts. I felt like a whole arena to me. It was crazy for that amount of people that you could see I hear it is to If Hey, tell me tell me what was it tell me the what would you use new in the law first law

Opticin motion. These are stay. I just stay in motion Look at the size of that fucking crowd that was outside You could see this crowd like I could see this crowd, but I know what I'm doing here them and you could feel them Dude you could feel the energy. I mean even though there was only 4,000 people did not did not feel like 4,000 people It felt like a hundred thousand people because all those people were behind us

You know, how many people were in that play at any 5,000 plus yeah, I mean so fast the the size of the group outside was insane Yeah, I mean and they're watching on these giant screens and freaking out like a concert Yeah, we're at the way it's it was like dude

“That's what I picture like wood stock being like dude. I looked at I could not see the end of the people”

Yeah, no, it was not the way ends were knots when we first walked out of like holy shit This is crazy, but it just shows how hyped people were for this event You know, I mean it was an incredible event. I mean you have C production team They just knocked it out of the park and then more importantly you knocked it out of the park

It could not have the cap. It couldn't have gone better and the the most important thing was that you did have to overcome

That we did see a real back and forth and we did see the skills that led people to believe that this guy is the number one pound for poundfighter in the world I mean his fucking boxing is it leads it is Sharminer and but I mean my coach is a fucking genus. I mean when it comes to like again It's really hard to you always sound right in hindsight, but the strategy we had Was so perfect to fight a guy like that. I mean if you I think if you ask him right now

Which way was just in moving he's gonna think I was moving right the whole time because my head is so So heavy and I lean over to that said, but I was moving Left the entire time and he's so pointed that you know he's powerful here But when you when you put him here like nobody can push and spray like he's not ever gonna take up sprinting That way as fast as he can. He's gonna have to gather and reset and then and then point and then go and I constantly kept

Re adjusting him and It was so subtle and that's what fighting is it's subtle subtle movements

I mean his game plan was was and then

his game plan his mind my Ability but really it's my athletic ability like if

“People don't understand how athletic I am and I think that is what surprises”

Every opponent I've ever fought is how you know Harky jerky twitchy how explosive and how athletic I am and I think that's the biggest asset that I have Why do you think anybody be surprised by that at this stage of what do you think they're surprised because the human because it doesn't look like that No, you're I just and I think you're looking into the patty fight I feel like the patty fight you you because a lot of people are like a you look older. You look this because the way we fought

Like our style art our game patty

How sweet is that now? I mean if you watched the patty fight you would never expect you would only expect punches coming from here

That's that's all I threw because he would pull in I had to like wrangle him in wrangle him in and this guy No shot by palm strikes like we need to palm strike him. We need to keep him inside of our loop and If you don't stray shots at patty patty will disengage very long with his his upper body So he was throwing wild shots and then long upper cuts like stay on the outside

We didn't throw any upper cuts because the patty's got very good knees coming in so we can't get too deep with that Very simple plan, but it also it was like make it chaotic as most chaotic as you could be To be able to do that because patty his blitzing was very fast. He's a very good blitzer He'll he'll blitz past you and almost like running type of lunch is like all the veto or bell for it

But this fight is a lot different where it's now

It was in we have to be tied in these types of positions and we need to step to his center and get on his back foot line

“Our outside of his back foot line and that was like a key factor to this one is because”

Ali is very front heavy and we'll bounce back and force so once he goes to this angle We need to attack the wrist shoulder and once he starts to reset now We're going to be able to jab and stick the jab at the rear shoulder where your jab was landing at there My favorite part is the jab was at landing here where Ali has got a very good slide We're jabbing outside, so you're not doing inside jab coming under your jabbing from outside your shoulder

Which is pushing him on his rear foot and then once we started to pressure my favorite part is the jab pause right hand His left foot just in his left foot when we go The outside is rear foot right there. He opened his lead foot and he got his foot outside And that's also so case of right hand count that was a giant moment in the front line of that right hand It was I want to do that one more time Jamie and watch his lead foot after the jab now watch his left foot

After the jab outside the rear foot boom and that because he's got a high shoulder if I'm throwing it right hand down this point If you were looking at me Joe if you're if I'm here if he gets his foot out now the shot is coming from here So we put him on the back foot and find that because Ali's got a very good shoulder tuck He also dropped that right hand down. Yeah, it was beautiful. It was beautiful. It was such a giant moment in the fight Like look where I started I started with my back to us and look at a left left

Left left left left But if you go out to the left backwards where that's where Ilya to me is the best how we stop Volk where he'll throw at you then you go and then he re-adjust his lead shoulder almost to his Alpa super dangerous there that was one thing we talk about we could not go backwards to the left Because that's where we get square and Ilya did his he's very front heavy

So he will attack you quick and he gets there fast. Well if you can recover from this it's gonna be a big lesson a big lesson Learn and you know, I wonder if he'll still have those celebration dinners the nine before There's no way He better not do it his team that's that's not to his coaches to be honest. It's it's a main humanism amazing thing like it people love that kind of confidence They love that belief in themselves and when some of pulls it off

People were talking for days about the Olivera fight. You know, he celebrated the night before in that crazy It'd been a work that time and it worked out great for him, but the lack of experience being the nail

So much experience being the hammer in all situations. He never thought he would have to be here

But you keep said don't want to go back to this thing that you said the people don't think you're athletic and I don't agree with that I don't understand. No, I think that

“I mean, maybe to watch this little Michael Johnson fight even when I think you're I got to college. You know my freshman year of college and I did a”

Cartwheel to a back-lip and these guy two one guy was like I would have never fucking guessed you could do something like that like I just don't understand You know if you look at me, I don't look like an athlete, but dude, you won't. I don't agree. No, I don't agree. No, I know how I think I'm I just see you talking about perception. No, no, no, you're perception. It's crazy. Listen. You look like an athlete What the fuck are you talking? He's he's saying dude. He said me in this picture when I first met him

for he went up to do a clinic with his coach up in Granby with Ben Chernton and he sends me this video

I didn't know why I opened it up and he's got a soccer ball and he's in this

Authority with the pads that are the ground and he's got his phone set up on like that the pads that are against the wall

He throws a soccer ball up in the air and he does one of those bicycle kicks every day he played just like one or two. He did a bicycle kick landed on his feet and the ball knocked the phone off the freaking thing dude He hit the freaking phone There was the coolest thing I've ever seen. I was like bro, you were nuts. This guy snowboarding when we snowboard because I wrote professional What I was younger got taken out of high school for it and he Disdood he would catch things so fast and his

Tumbling there was one time we were watching him and he was in moguls and moguls suck on a snowboard He does this 360 catches his edge falls to his back and bounces off one of the moguls to a back flip right back into the moguls And do these people on the side thought he bent to do that shit I was like, bro, his Tumbling skills, dude, you're freaking nuts. You are an athlete. I think everybody knows you're an athlete

“Well, you're not built like Paul cost off. That's what you mean. Yeah, you know, it's like you're not”

You know, there's there's guys that have less body fat than you and guys have more prominent muscles than you But nobody looks at you fighting and doesn't think you're athletic. That's crazy I think it's the experts after the patty fight saying oh, he looks sloppy and so it's got to be sloppy Those people were retarded. Yeah, that fight that you like like chaos looks like you were gonna press him and you it Also looked like you were kind of distainful of his his ability to hurt you. Yeah, I know what time you know exactly

Yeah, once once I didn't respect his powers like I'm fucking walking through Yeah, and that's what it looked like it looked like you were just just Trying to make it his chaotic his mind. You make it sound like you had like a water boy like someone was like The water sucks. Yeah, he's like Making the noises they didn't know you don't know you but that's also and probably a good thing that you think about yourself

That way, you know, because it forces you to rise above and beyond anybody's expectations of you

“You know, and I think one of the things about this fight that makes it so important is because”

Ilia was so dangerous you had to get like deep in this. You couldn't have a moment like the max fight

Well, it what the max fight got me here without that I would have never

Been his hungry. I said I was gonna happen to it didn't happen didn't happen didn't happen It's like okay Now I can I can never let my parents see me like that again. That was that was a driving factor like I can never let my mom I remember if you knocked out. I don't remember getting knocked out. I got knocked out I don't remember anything and I remember him getting his hand raised and it had to have been 40 minutes to an hour

And then I just my first recollection is being enabled and see my mom's face. Can I tell you that? Can I tell that story? Yeah, yeah, I mean what I did because I still don't know so we're gonna be able to let's okay You never know who you are. I was thinking back your mom standing outside the back doors We're waiting for the driver that there's a medic in there with us, but he's he's good But he keeps asking to say question over it over there. I'm worried about like, you know

Everybody's parents are different on how they react, you know and his mom was just cool just like I was so impressed I was so impressed with her just beard of seeing that happen But just as lay there and he's like he's cool and everything he does And he's got like this cool like lay like he's like, you know, just got stopped and he's laying in there And he's like he'll look at me and he gets like his head. He's like

“I got knocked out and I was like, yeah, it's like this is like what around what round?”

And I said last decade of the fight and he goes Good for him Dude, they didn't do it. I'm telling you like two minutes to go by and we just be having the normal conversation and he look at me I get knocked out and I was like, yep, that dude it happened over it over and over that happened with fighters Yes, but him saying good for him the way he said it every time that he came back to it

Like that's the type of person just in it's like if he lose in competition The better man won that night and that to me is something that stands out to me. That's true character of him saying when he does it That's subconscious traits that you have that That's a type of person also the character that allows you to reach a full potential absolutely because you're not being held back by any bullshit ego things not fake Because there's a lot of people that are held back is good as they are they don't ever reach their full potential because they have some bullshit ego

Problem absolutely they care of what everybody thinks and that in that situation Losing that fight in the last second of the last run and having that reaction that is the true Tests character that that man is ever going to go through yeah, that is true a test of character ever in front of the whole world But I remember first to see what I'm all face so so our face and I saw no concern I just choose where he about me, but she was not

She wasn't freaked out. No, she wasn't freaked out at all. I was like

And that's when I I never I never reset and asked if I had gotten knocked out again after that moment

I don't think no, no, once it happened for probably I'd say you probably asked it six or seven times and then once that then we were cool for about five minutes before we went to the hospital

They were totally cool the the cool part about this Joe is

Those are some of my in a sucks because you he's taken a shot like this, but me as a coach and as someone that just loves fighting and loves the inspiration and and what these guys do is

Those are my proudest moments. We need to fight like this. It was proud. And and you know

“Take it in you're going while this is a cool spot to be in and you have to be grateful for it”

But there's times where I'm caught smiling When my fighters are down like when we in Camaro got it got kicked and I stood next to him with the biggest smile Just because I'm like dude you went out on your shield. You were looking so good and this is the way you stand up again So important to me Justin Salis one time with Tim means it was one of my proudest moments just to see his

Subconscious like I love the mindset hard to me through Tim means hit some with the knee And he fights through it a little bit and takes another knee and he goes down and he's on the ground and his right leg is still like moving And he's like still punching and he's out and I'm like dude that's a fighting spirit like there is no quitted like you're you're fighting through being knocked out And so consciously he's still in the fight and his body is still reacting that way instead of

Shelling up and being like I just got rocked. I'm gonna shell up. I could not wait to get in the Optic out and they're like that trying to let me in and I'm like let me just get over to him I sit next to him and put some ice on the back when we stop guys

I'm always over to the other opponent first to me. That's that's the coolest part is

Being able to see someone go out there and do their best and then to watch them come back And that's why I'm very I'm very excited to kind of see what happens with Alia This is gonna be a hard one to overcome but I hope he does because he's he's he's that talented If he takes the right lessons that's gonna be a super inspirational thing to overcome It's got to be hard, but I I share hope we get the witness at I wonder if he's gonna stay at 155

There are big guys at 155 and he's he wasn't that big for 45 You know you think about weight cutting in the modern era like you were you're considerably bigger than him When you guys were standing next to each other, but this is there's a big difference. I also really focused on getting bigger last three and four fights Yeah, yeah, I mean I

You were 85 in a paddy fight of weighing yeah was 83 in a paddy fight so he was I touched I touched 80s this fight

We weighs on Saturday 11 Saturday when I went to bed. I think I was 184

“Oh wow and then I think when I woke up I was like 176 that's how much while I were flowed it's crazy”

I bought these are crazy Right especially because all the way cut, but I think when I got there I was pissing so much I was actually too hydrated for the drug test so I had to piss three at three times like a drink water You were too hydrated for a drug test. Yeah, so if the piss is too diluted than they make you do it again Really yeah, that's why you know doing it after if I like I used to do it after if I like all time

But you're adrenaline's gone so you don't pee so it takes a long time Like we've got a lot of ropes for hours waiting for the piss test But when you're doing it after like rehydration that's a shitty thing because these guys have to hydrate Everybody's fucking take it as much fluids as they can so that makes it tough But with the weight cutting a piece with him going back down

I agree with you. I think Ali is a smaller body, but he's also a Big advantage for Ali speed and when you go up and wait that speed is a huge factor If you see a lot of guys go up like with Max Max kept it kept to speed when he came up

“He when he went back down. I think you know everybody was like oh he beat Max. He beat a drained”

Max. Yeah, I think that weight cut down a 45 for him was brutal That's and this is where From like a coaching standpoint if it is hard for you to make it at that weight I care about the longevity of of a person and I've seen guys get drop with jabs because of bad weight cuts Yes, and that going back down and in that's to me this carries part of this in this this fight game

Well, I think there's two things we have to change the fight game one of them is weight cutting and two of them is your gloves Absolutely, but the weight cutting thing don't you think that we need more weight classes or I should say that I should say do you think we need so I think there's there's there's many ways I think you're gonna have to have some type of a Weight class and there's different ways to do it like maybe you you have where you can't go over a certain amount of weight after you make weight and you weigh in a week out

Where you can really recover because I think guys are gonna do it anyway I think I think for me. I want nothing to change. I mean we are grown as men and women and We're making these choices right, but you can make 55 and it's good for your frame. Now imagine No, no, no, I'm not thinking it's easy, but you can't make it even made it over and over again But like think about guys that are in between yeah, like

Yeah, there's a 60 or 65 or like in boxing now 70 to 85 is crazy 85 to 205 is bananas and then two five to two But those five that's those week classes are already watered down In a way and so you just get a watered down more so these are my thoughts and my

Research that I've done that that it's it's I've talked to Dr.

And I want to get some expert some doctor who can actually talk to me about this because when I start a research in boxing Why is there so many deaths in boxing was stood out to me was almost every death in boxing in the last 10 to 15 years There's every once in a while is from a punch where they get dropped and they don't get up and they get hemorrhaging Almost all of them are past the ninth round especially the ones I'm talking about that don't take a punch

They're past the ninth round and it looks like they start to get tired and they're just like hey I need to take a knee and lay down a lot of these guys are winning the fight And not even taking a lot of damage and If we're cutting weight the day before you're teaching your body to sweat and sweat and sweat

“To me I believe because I've had a fighter”

We're you know come on as last the fight. We're cramping so bad so scary so freaking scary Like minutes of call and I talked to the whole team about it But if you do dehydrate yourself think of my lips if they get dehydrated they crack when I smile And if you dehydrate your brain and I talked to Dr. D. I was like is that could that be something if you dehydrate your brain? We call something he's like absolutely and then I started the research that but if you go back and look at all the boxers

And if we can get someone that could do their true research that understands this stuff That to me is like what scares me about weight cutting because you're training your body to lose that amount of weight and when you start to do things in patterns You just need to call the nutrients out of your body and then you're going hard in a fight like that And I was like the big thing with the Tony Ferguson fight that's kind of funny now, but it wasn't funny to me I didn't give no fucking water for five round fight. That is crazy and the longer you take your brain to that point of dehydration

What is he giving water you just forgot dude? Yeah, we were locked in this guy don't train with water So it was like I don't drink water. I train my stomach practice because I was like you want what I'm like wash for pussy No, I don't talk about the life of drink any water and training it all good. I'll drink afterwards like we did this fight

“They made me this fight. I'm okay. So do you think that that that lose it?”

No, because I it doesn't it can't because I'm fucking working right now. I'm locked in like I might not get water one day. You know there might I might walk water even when you do it straight the conditioning everything nothing

I never drink water. I'm trying Wow, so you make sure you're hydrated before you get in there. I drink a lot after and

But once you're in there you just go in yeah, this fight was different. That's crazy That's just me. That's just me. That's just me. That's just me. That's just me. He's got to rom it on. You know Ramadan's nuts Like you know, I know Balal was training with no water and you know drinking no water during the day and then training again at night time and You know that's that's got to be so hard, but going through hard training sessions and no water So you do it, but so there's two things going why don't why don't what I would take?

Yeah, maybe you could do more work and get more route and met more reps and more this if you're rehydrating But then the other thing is like

“Would you and how much mental toughness? So you're getting by nine people's of water, right? It's a crutch and the mental”

Toughness thing ultimately won you this fight. There is a lot of fucking human beings at the top Top level the sport that would have folded in that second round. You did look to happy it to the Tony Ferguson

I never look you gave it. I never caught it. No one's not for one second. Did I caught the place that I was done? No, I mean you that's that's

He hit me on it all fuck Get to hear him at the corner Yeah, he goes dude. That was a good body shot. I was like, yeah, that was three body shot Who does that I know who says that is like through the look at his face wasn't like like eyebrows like a like a frame cabin Well even after the fuck you were talking about how skilled you was yeah, you were talking

I mean I could go I could go so many different ways with how I react to this fight. I just wanted to be known How disrespectful he would have been if he beat me if he put me to sleep if his I mean clue imagine how shitty he would have been and I mean it would have if it was And the world would have been fucking shit

I was fighting for so much. I was fighting for so much tonight. Yeah, you know, I'm never gonna let people

For one I know how special what I've done is and it would have taken all of it away with a loss And I wasn't gonna let that happen. How about the people call it hitting his loaded gloves Do you see the picture that that yeah, what if it's there's like rocks in his head What a compliment if they not watch any of his fights, yeah, what if people saying I'm juice what a compliment people saying I got bricks in my fucking gloves. What a compliment

People are silly. You can't read the internet. There's always going to be someone saying something. I know by getting you go I got here because I was petty. I

Re-comments I read comments.

Just we read the conversation outside. I can see it because you're mine to go crazy and he's like I love it so much David Goggins takes haters and he records them on a loop and then plays it to himself while he runs Yeah, I mean that's crazy. I don't need to have an answer. I don't need to have an on video. I know I know what they're saying. I knew what they were saying every fucking day. Right and that's you know

Partly why one well, it's you know that Teddy Roosevelt quote about the man in the arena

“You know, yep, that's what it is. It's like there's always gonna be people on the sidelines or talking”

You're never gonna it's impossible, especially at that level that you're fighting because then businesses

You are you can never make everybody happy. No, that's what I wanted to be a champion. We suck the pressure You know, it really is detrimental to like Overall like what you're trying to achieve and it's just so hard Well, you can't make everybody happy because some people are just not happy period. It's all like you being awesome You're gonna want them to happen. Yeah, but some people are not they're not healthy

They're not mentally healthy. Their brain isn't right. They haven't done the right things in their life And they see successes being somehow or another It steals their own personal joy other people successes bad because they compare themselves to other People and they realize that they some are in love seeing things have good things happen for people They're like be kind of like when max not me. I was like good for him like I'm fucking imagine where he's still in right now

Yeah, but because you have given everything you have You you've truly maximize your potential You've made mistakes. You've made great decisions in ultimately you wound up winning the biggest fight of all time

“Not too exceed, but that's that's why you can be happy for other people to exceed your expectations”

From 2017 to exceed his expectations from 2011 to exceed my own expectations is I mean, I cannot describe how special and how good that makes me feel you know in general Like that was my goal, but to exceed

You didn't exceed a man you you I always had a feeling that you were gonna do some wild shit and after the Tony Ferguson you couldn't have said

I was gonna do this God no look at him. This scene said this. There was a lot of conversations that I had with people that were counting you out Those are all of that. I don't think I think you can win this fight 100% I mean, I said it on the podcast, I even said it to Ilya like Ilya was saying it was I was I've seen that podcast and he was so wrong So many times. Yeah, you know not just the whole he has zero chance against patty

He said something about how I Probably sleep during the day more than I do at night because I party too much And it's like you were so if you don't remember him saying that he said he said something about weed and you're like I don't care about weed But for him to think that that's true. It's fucking saying and you have five loses

Dude, he's got one lucid who's gonna have to Wow what a fucking idiot you know like to think that I got here by just being a A guy that drinks and you know has fun all the time like that's fucking crazy

“My life is so boring. I don't get a bars. I mean, I don't do any of that”

I sleep I sleep eight to ten hours every single night. I will sleep in ten but it's too much So now I have to sleep eight, but for this whole week. I was sleeping 12 hours Everything will night of the other fight week. That's nice. He was so fucking nice. That is nice You know, it's just one of those things if he wanted to watch your you have a YouTube channel He could watch well, I mean, he also something to be said about how I

knew he was watching if you go back to my other like we always show sparring well. We'll always show me hitting mits

I didn't show myself any mits one time as camp. I didn't show myself sparring one time as camp purposely We were switching up the game plan big time He had no he had he had expectations, but they were none of them were based in reality and I controlled that that's awesome. Yeah, and then we know so I did make the when I did make that a Common about his wife you know it was in a

In an interview like this where we're just fucking around and I said it in just I didn't I was a hundred percent true. I was like he's so fucking annoying. I couldn't imagine being in the same room with him, you know with His pompous attitude, you know, and you just trying to like hang out with the guy But he's like constantly stealing all the thunder and it's irrational and it's like I would leave him to like I mean, if that's my part like that's why I buckled my girlfriends is because they was somewhat like that

And so I didn't mean it in a mean way like I would never did get somebody in I would never make fun of someone's personal experience

That was like on it that was just my honest take you are the honest guy and I...

But it was true. You could say which I said so many two things to him. I said the only I told him that he's gonna go to the second round

I'm gonna go to the third round. You're gonna be fucked because you're not gonna be able to pull yourself out of this You know with the way that you're thinking there's no possible way you can have these expectations face adversity and then come out In a positive way. There's no way it can happen. You're good. You could dig deep and you could be even more of a narcissistic in it might work but You know, you're gonna you're gonna walk yourself into a situation that it's gonna fucking be detrimental to you and this is detrimental to his psyche

And this is 90% mental Well, so again, I want to see how he adjusts to the loss, but You know, see how honest he will be with himself the strategy has to change Yeah, you can't just hit the gas like that and there we've seen that with boxers We've seen that with all kinds of fighters. They just think they can just hit the gas. Well, obviously you had to make your own adjustments. Yeah

You know how he overcame the the max fight. How he adjusted? But he do you guys Golf every year. That's six months straight. Wow

Yeah, DC was braven about it. He's like I've never seen anything like it because his guys playing golf

He's been playing for years That's really good. Everything funny. It's well, you know, that's the mindset that's coachable. That's a coachable mindset competitive and also Objective you know it's the same reason why you think you're not athletic

“It's like you you can look at yourself in a critical way and then see what adjustments you have to make where a lot of people are delusional”

Yeah, and then delusional keeps you from getting good at doing what you perceive Dude you got it perspective is everything like how are you seeing things? And you always got to see it from the internal That's by that and that it peaks and valleys like this right here like we come home and even through the airport Like there's no celebration Is what it is. Yeah, there was like

Peanuts piece of the celebration there. I think if you what we did that someone was buying his drinks like we got there We got there a little bit early a bit of fucking parade now. I know, but I don't want that. Yeah, I know I know I don't want you don't I don't want you don't like I'm the champion. I have to do it because I do need to take advantage Like I am the champion. It's crazy. He's still can't Fathom it, but I am the champion and I need to

I need to be the champion but be and be the joy being the champion for a little bit and you need your look It yourself in the mirror and be like there's times to sit back and have bliss Where you're like man, I freaking did it like there's plans that really I thought that would come back and you run down fucking yelling out different brands of mayonnaise But no motherfucking clothes on to make bad decisions. You're like, what was that for?

Shit, dude. We did fuck it three fifths. So fucking vodka. Um, are you gonna continue fighting? Right now I'm putting on it. Yeah, because you are done. I don't know. I don't know. I can. There's not there's not something natural in me That feels like it's over. So that's all. I can say also after a performance like that

“Yeah, I mean, I love it. You need to be there with the best also. I'm gonna I'm gonna place where it's like”

I deserve to be compensated for what I have done 100% not for what I'm going to do or I don't I shouldn't have to fight next to be Cah, I you have C300 you have C324 and now this those are the biggest stages that the you have seen needed somebody to To do something phenomenal and they picked me every single time and and I delivered I wasn't the main event of you have C300, but come in events still still to show even though I lost and

So I think I need to be compensated for for what I've done That's what I'm asking in the future feel like a next fight Like yeah, read no, no, no, no, no, I'm not talking about for the next fight I'm talking about the UFC should make a company and give me equity in that company and you know, so I can build

Passive income like that like I'm not saying that's what have you talked to them about something. No, no, I would I would I've never asked luckily

I have a personal assistant now, so she asks for things from me But I've never been the guy that asked for things. I wish I Wish people that were opposite of me that asked for things and get all kind of things. I wish I was given those things What thou asking because obviously people know that it's appreciated and I like it But I'm not ever gonna like I'm not taking this truck from fucking arm and there's absolutely no way I would take a truck

He never shook my hand. Oh, this is arm and sorry who can we should explain that so arm and sorry who can he He bet a million dollars on just this friend and one

“He wouldn't like five to three up. I believe five seven five seven. Yes, I”

Said he's gonna buy me a truck. I mean, I would come a truck

Well, I know I just saw yours

Get a raptor. I have a show me. I haven't shall be wrapped a lot But I think now that I've seen your truck that will be my next truck. Also, it has USA on the side Yeah, you see that You didn't do that. Oh, that is I want that truck. You need that truck. Yeah, tell arm and buy that fucking truck

I was arm and I would force it down your throat. I would I would deliver it to your house and give you No way you want him five In a fucking truck that a dude buff on me every day. I don't know. I just want all the truck. You won that we didn't shake on it

You don't give a fuck. Take that guy. I tried to do. Yeah, take the truck too. It's first of all. It's cool

Yeah, and he might also be next to Paul. Yeah I mean, that's possible. That's probably that's the guy. Yeah, I mean, he's the guy. That's the guy. That's the guy

“You have to send anybody else in the division that that is the guy. I mean now that Islam is up at one seven Dean”

Who else is there? That's the guy. I agree. Yeah, and What a division. I mean, holy shit, and now Charles is saying he wants to Be a math and and the lightweight title on the line. That would be crazy So there's fights available. Yes, there is big big. What do you what do you thought? It's like when you're thinking about competing, who do you think it will be? You think it would be arman?

No, no, I can't say that I have a name

Do you think Ely is gonna try for rematch? No, he doesn't get a rematch. He can try away. He doesn't get one. Wow

He quit on the stool. He quit twice. I stopped in twice. What else do I have to fucking do? plus his next challenge can't be me. He's a fight patty Or someone like that is just patty of a fight scheduled. I think he's fine. Yeah, same thing to me. Yeah, it's tough fight Yeah, Ben was a beat game. Yeah, it's a fucking crazy game. It's a crazy game. It's a crazy game I mean far think about where you were when you lost the max and then where you are now

Just like think of the highs wasn't that long ago either was not that long ago Now you got to the the BMF champ won the fight you have every belt like I have three three belts three real belts two in terms But those are a fucking real belts a real belt to be a Mf belt and then you have C250 belt Yeah, the U.S. E250 belt. No, no, cool. There's only two. It's so heavy. I mean that's heavy

That's shit. It's free enough man of this sport like what do you want to come in here and do things that are not Easily attainable and I've done a few things that are impossible to obtain a tane

nine bonuses in my first seven fights

16 fights in the UFC. I probably what like

“12 main events. Yeah, I think that's the 16 point. And to be put in the main event of a UFC fight is fucking huge”

Like, you know, you go on the poster Not many people get to experience that and I've done it almost every single time and so I mean yeah, I mean it's I've done something Unentainable It's got a feel good. It feels great It feels good as a fan. It feels good right as a fan of yourself as a fan of the sport as a fan of the sport

Can you see what you've done? Yeah, what do you think about cereal gone? We didn't do so We were in the lock-ups like are you actually going to go to a different staging room as soon as Bruce Buffer starts announcing So they took us into a room with no screens That's probably where the video of me shadow boxing with the flag

Yeah, that's where we were in there like 30 minutes before I walked and we could hear You know you a little bit you hear that I heard the ding of the you know the end of the round the horn I was okay with that round one yes, and then you hear nothing and then I didn't even hear the finish I didn't hear the crowd roar. I didn't hear the crowd and then I heard and Still

Yep, right? Yeah, because he was no no no no, he said I knew because they were both going to be new I thought everything's still no I'm here gone we heard gone yeah, oh fuck he won I'm like guy moves like a cat. That's it's crazy. He for a heavyweight. I love watching heavyweight so can move like they

“You remember the mic Tyson era just watching I was I love my watching my Tyson and just watching all the guys”

He fought heavyweight box. He was so good at that time. He will use the jump roll. Yeah, now. It's like like I'm not gonna say that that all heavyweight hurt or or lazy, but you know my knees are bad I'm a big person like those guys can move and serial con is one of those guys But he's the most so fast and think about him as he's starting out as a basketball player They so think about basketball. It's all these plyometrics

It's a constantly changing direction in moving and jumping Yeah, it's all agility and that translates so brilliantly to a striking style because You got a guy who's 248 pounds who moves like a middleweight or moves like even lighter than that I mean really moves like a Walterweight almost. He's fast and Just very agile and when you notice it is like because you know how good Parara is and

Parara getting lit up on his feet like that and then drop with a jab

It's like woo yeah perfect time and it's heavyweight like those are big dudes. Yeah. Yeah Like obviously Perra is put on some weight, but it's frame size Yeah, it's that you know and it perra's got a big frame, but it's this levels your your body's been That weight for a long period of time like that's again that consistency. It's it's it's MMA Guy going into boxing. Yeah, they're shorter rounds, but you're hitting sprints every round

“Like it's a different like there's there's you have to do it for a period of time to be able to adjust to that”

That's a different right everything that you do you have to slowly go into those positions You can't just jump into it and when you think about how big he was at 205 It may be would have even been better for him to not really put on much weight. I agree 100% Yeah, like cereal guns a grapple and you got to be fast. Yeah, you got to be like your speed's a factor

It's a giant factor and he's got insane power. Yeah, I mean his power has always been heavy

Yeah, that power absolutely he's not going to lose his power because he was so big he was 251 and I was thinking man Now it's like even though you have more power you're also moving around with extra weight on your body Like you're you're you're weighed down more by gravity I mean gone looked so light and so loose He's just like that style for a heavyweight light on the toes like that is so unusual

Not allowing peraura to set his feet no never like that's very smart and even like Fainting take down my snowy committed to those but he's got him thinking about look at he drops him with the bottom into now Here's the question because One of the things that peraura saying is a lot there's a illegal shot a lot of the shots were illegal into the back of the head But a lot of them were too side of the clothes are close because it and the first one

It's a two-inch line down like a mohark Yeah, this is legal this is illegal legal illegal illegal I mean a couple of those shots definitely landed illegally, but there's a hemophist hemophist That's the first one Does he have to drop his head down to the head? Exactly

So you know that's legal that's a there's a There's a couple of illegal ones. There's probably three or four right, but it's also movement and chaos It's not like It's like poking someone in the eye on purpose. Like if I was that good, I would touch their chance Right, how was the fight?

Was the fight stopped there on the ground? No, no kept going This is actually the finish of the fight right here. That was a fake bottom of the big elbow right here and rocked him I mean peraura was in real trouble. Yeah, I mean it was he got fucked up And serial gone did a fantastic job. He really put it on him. Should you ever stop?

A championship fight this is the right thing. That was it right there. I would have At that point, yeah I must say I haven't watched a fight here. Here's the stoppage right here. You could see I have any there And I'm just watching this. Yeah, that's

He always it was so many it was so many blows

Maybe he could have taken one or two more after that for sure, but peraura is pissed off at her dean and he's saying her dean should never ever ever again Because he allowed those shots to the back of the head. I mean that you're in the moment. I mean The fight, but that's natural for a fighter to do. Like yeah, that's well if it's situation you want to

“First off you got to bring awareness to it. So they're not you know, they're you have to”

Always be aware of hey, I could have did better here. Yeah, that's how we all grow So we need to do need to talk about it But from what I just watched here and I haven't watched the whole fight was the fight competitive at all. Yes, okay The first round was very good. So that would change the little thing but from what I just watched right there at the end that was That was like good finish to hide the first the refs have such a tough job. Yeah, I've been to I'm the toyist for being

Yeah, really hard on these reps because I mean it's they you expect them to be you what you need them to be perfect. They're their main job is to protect you

When I thought Michael Chandler, I'm still and again I only speak about it now because I've never

Had a retraction from the referee whenever he poked me in the eye and then he Didn't get in between us and he let him hit me with a huge shot and then he doesn't give me my time To rest not rest to recover and there was only five seconds left in the round so it turned out that I got a break anyways But he goes in there. He says are you good? I said no, I'm not good. He just hooked me in the fucking eye And he says okay, but are you good? And so then it's like

“Can I still fight so so then I said yeah, I'm good and it's okay. Go who what referee was this?”

Like I with a braid that he puts in his team like beltro and so I was very upset that he let Michael Chandler in that that shot And I know why he was so scared of the fucking heat we are throwing that he Didn't want to jump in there and get in the middle of it but his job is to protect me and he failed He failed so bad right there and so like after the fact that I need you to acknowledge this so that you do not ever let that happen to another

Athlete in there because you fucked up so bad and you know, he's trying to ju...

Well, how can you justify this and so that for me that that that pisses me off and then that the decision not to give me my time

Like I need an explanation You know and because I need to know that you are gonna learn from this experience and for right now I still believe that he doesn't take you to anything wrong and so I'm still upset about that

“Well once you say yes, you know, you should be in that situation because if you say to someone you got poked in the eye”

Are you good and you're like yeah, I'm good, I got poked in the fucking eye and then You're supposed to say well you're two seconds one two seconds, but are you good? I said well yeah, you're supposed to you're so nice. Okay, go. Are you good is not the right question? You have five minutes are you ready to fight can you see do you need to bring in a doctor there's a Series of questions, but the you have five minutes is very important for a fighter get poked in the eye

You have five minutes to recover. Yeah, I didn't feel like I didn't know I didn't know what the play I feel pressure in my face right now like I don't this feels you're not gonna know for a couple seconds Yeah, I don't know you're gonna you're gonna Blink a little bit move around a little bit. All right. I'm good and that's when you're it's supposed to be very clear That's when you're ready to engage and that's what I'm saying that's the mistake he has to learn from because it was such

And then after the the round ends I walk over to my dude get your fucking head of your ass What the fuck are you doing? He said go to your stool. I was like no, what the fuck are you doing? Like your job is to protect me. You just let me get hit with a huge fucking shot

What is going on and he's like go to your stool go to your stool and I sit down and then boom never thought about it again, but

“Still pissed off about that one. You should be that mean that's that makes sense. I mean that's a mistake”

Who's the ref that we can still be After the fight he corners me in the hallway and he's like, I you know, I know you I know you would never Never tap I was like I tap three times He's like no, you would never tap. I'm like I might do it from the horse's mouth I'm telling you I tapped and he still was like no, I know you wouldn't tap

I was like what the fuck how can we get through this? I tapped three times. I would just leave and you went to sleep. I've seen that. Yeah, I tapped three times 100 percent you tapped that 100 percent And he's like no, you would you know, I know that you with your the way that you Copying you who's the referee? What's that guy? I hate to tell I don't even want to hurt dog I don't even want to tell one of the bus, you know because it's like

His in his heart job his intentions were good for me. You know he believed I was He gave you a chance gave me a chance, but like I fucking tapped man, I think if I should have been and I went to sleep because of it And luckily, there's no detrimental in chronic, you know Long lasting problems because of getting choked out So I'm not like getting there's no repercussions. Yeah, there's no concussion. There's no TBI

Like it really is not detrimental at all as long as you don't hold it too long and I die as long as I wake up I'm good right and so I was like okay the repercussions are as severe and so like whatever I'll just let this go, but Ultimately he did I mean I was tell even when I told him he didn't believe me That was the first thing you said when you jumped up you went over to him and then you guys had the conversation afterwards

But you went over to him saying do what the fuck I tapped Do you like how you did it that we see them later, but that was no he didn't I was like do I tap three times? I tap three fucking times. Yeah, that was pretty obvious Like the right things and they don't say you know you're some kind of fucking You think you're some kind of Superman. Why would you tap it's like when your life is ending

You know, you're a fool if you don't understand that like I knew I was dying and that's just where I was Yeah, so I'm not crazy. You are to everybody that their eyes are like down after I know you better

You do you never tap like you kind of fight like that

“That's why I mean people think the best that's how he does the best thing up to this moment”

is people People don't give me credit for my intellectual abilities and I've also played into that and I've also understood how big human asset is for people to approach me like that You know thinking that I'm just some animal that doesn't Think or feel or whatever whatever people think or think I'm retarded well

I think what it is is when you are such an animal people think you can't be smart because the Smart person would be aware of the consequences and wouldn't have the courage to fight the way you fight That's all it is and they and people who don't have that kind of courage They like to dismiss people that fight like savages because they got a well savages can't be smart That's not right. That's not correct people. It's like you see a really hot woman

You got to be a retard. Yeah, like no some of them are really fucking smart and also hot You know, like the world is confusing and you can't categorize people and put them into things little Little you know little fucking boxes just to make you feel better. Yeah, that's all it is you know and you're

The thing is I never signed up like when we were walking out to the the press...

12 15,000 people alter I look at the guys like do I never ever signed up to be a public speaker

What the fuck are we doing here like I never wanted to be in this where I talk in front of this many people like That's not what I've prepared myself for ever and now I'm in this situation We're after you know every single word. I get I say before these fights is analyzed by the world like the whole You know my father is my dad like Sometimes I get tongue-tied. Yeah, sometimes I miss me. I do too when I talk for a living

“That's why me and then but nobody if people understood they had to listen to themselves”

They would understand that they also make mistakes and so it's like Fuck man like I can't be perfect. I'm sorry. I really bad. I didn't mean my dad was my father even though You know if fucking makes sense Listen, you're dealing with a bunch of people that have to write story. They have to it's not You know writing a story because something's interesting. They have to make a story no matter what it is

There are they're way they're job is to create content and then if you your job is to create content You make content out of nothing and that's not usually it's usually not good And that's what they're doing If I could have been mentally coach it would have been in that aspect public speaking just like I think you speak very well. No. No. It's like

Just I guess there's no less and to learn like you just have to do it through Yeah, it's like fighting just do it a bunch of times and you get comfortable with the or your naturally talented like Connor You know what a fuck is that guy smart guy? Yeah, he's great at that. Like he's fantastic at that shit I mean that's where he shines you ain't lying you are like Tom Petty

“Tom Petty to hardbreakers you are petty dude. Who cares what people think? No, I think he speaks great, right?”

I like you know, I like to see what people are saying about my Our interview and that you know because I want to see the perception. I want to

Just keep it smile. Yeah, but the thing is you're asking for the perceptions from people that you would probably never

Fuck and talk to in real life because they're hungry and annoying You know that's the people that are most likely gonna comment yeah, the people that are most likely gonna you think Michael Jordan's out there leaving YouTube comments No, right? It's not people that have their fucking shit together and have big goals on hundred people who are the really Dialed in and really fucking discipline and the people whose opinions you'd respect they're not leaving comments They're certainly not even shitty comments. You nailed that that's just the reality

And I'm not hating on these people. I'm just saying like I would have been one of them if you Give me a fucking YouTube account when I was 17. I'd be posting the most horrible shit about everybody Right everybody would you you're a kid you're or you're a dumbass you don't be life together yet, but that's the type You can't listen to them and take that as gospel because it's just not just seeing him walk through the airport and just Everybody's perception when they see you and meet you is so great dude. Like it's like people like like

Brother haters you yeah, haters met you know, I promise big food. Yeah, but still, but it's but one of those things is like the inspiration on people like Everybody comes up in there. You're a favorite fighter like I have the brand that you're the the your favorite fighter favorite fighter Like that is unique. Yeah, that is like such a cool thing like you keep inspiring and very proud to be you

“You should be should be so proud you should be yeah”

So um I asked you after the fight if you're gonna fight again. You said you promised your mom you weren't gonna make a decision And so it just settled in I mean where today we're here. It's Friday the fight was just Sunday so it was five days ago So now you're just like fuck you can how do you not after that mean you're the fucking champ. It would be great to go out like that. It'd be the an amazing cap, but also Great to have at least one more Yeah

We'll see people like to watch chaos It's a highest level control course

You know, it'll never be that chaos again because it'll never be like hard to understand

Jin flyovers and how dangerous this came is if you don't do it right and so is it impossible? Yeah, yeah, so that'll be a huge That's a huge fact there's a lot of there's a lot of variables that I have to contemplate When it comes to that decision Do you have a timeline in your head? I do know so

You can't remember a time I fought two times in six months in the UFC. I fought two times this year already In less than six months and So I'm gonna take the rest of the year. I need my body to heal that I would I mean I have What's the fucking diagnosis? I have a severe bone in Dima in the tip of my fibula to happen on Christmas and I have been dealing with that since Christmas day

So bone-breathe bleet like a bruised bruise. Yeah, it's in the bone marrow of the tip of my people

Tip of my tip of the clack against my femur and it caused a

Deep deep bruise and I cannot get it to heal because I went you know, I was going through training camp

“It really hurt after the paddy fight when you leave it when you leave in today”

Will you fly out of like six thirty? It's three o'clock. I got one of them to see if I can get you in the waist well. Let me text Break them and see if they can Jab some fucking stem cells in there before you leave me. I've gone to Vegas. I've got stem cells multiple times Wake up PRP people place PRP put me on crutches. It was crazy and then I did a horizontal shot

The Friday before I left wow and that that helped a lot Well, not training is really what it needs right and you've been doing any hyperbaric train chamber stuff No, that's huge. I got like covered. You have no idea Against my process you guys would be I mean they I got two probably had two Massages this camp

Well, it's really funny if you look at the difference between Iliotoporia say YouTube channel as well where it's fantastic really goes into depth, but they're using like all this high-tech Neuro-stimulation head gear and he's doing all these different things and it's all right See the video it's guy him doing that and then me taking a 420 depth

“Yeah, I think you see our video where he had the dog chopker on his forehead every time he got straight”

Which is legs I got flat. I hit the foot. He's a bed is legs again. No, we We're gonna cut our head Two balls each other. Yeah, trying to tap into there was two of the buildings. Yeah, yeah, which are eyes closed. I mean It was like a funny I come from the fucking dirt

You know my parents fucked up they didn't put a golf club in my hand at four years old. They threw me in the dirt And you know I became comfortable with the uncomfortable That's a giant factor though being comfortable with being uncomfortable with being uncomfortable is a huge asset Yeah, it's such a business. It is with everything in life with everything in life wrestling is definitely Definitely has is the biggest variable when it comes to my success. I mean the mental mental side of it like

Nobody can they it's very similar to fighting in the fact that nobody can help you

You know it is it can you all the blame is on you all the success goes to you and you can never

Use somebody else's excuse any team said I played football outside baseball soccer swim team Something's a little different, but you know, there's always a justification for why you failed or why you lost When it comes to those and you could always Point to somewhere else or at least a piece even if it's one or two percent somebody else is full Then you can justify it. Yeah, and in wrestling that's never the case not only that

It's a combat sport that's acceptable in high school like it's a combat sport They take in junior high school. You take in high school and kids learn like there's there's guys out there that are different They're working harder than you the more aggressive than you that they want it more than you They put it more time than you And that's a learn that's a lesson that's very valuable when a kid because kids

Get delusion about what their abilities are how special they are who they are When you get fucking flatlined by some dude just fucking picks you up and slams you on your back and pins you and you're like And he could do it any time he wants and this is the reality of training with this guy over and over and over again You're like oh great He lateral drops you in front of the whole class. Oh great like this is this is this is reality

Now you either gonna get better or this is gonna keep happening to you over and over and over again And the mental toughness that comes out of kids that grind it out and wrestling and learn how to wrestle on comfortable Learn how to cut weight at an early age All that shit's terrible for you, but the mental aspect of it is fucking undeniable

“Think about how many great wrestlers have become great MMA champions. Absolutely. It's the most important thing”

Great business people is like they they watch the study a long time ago They said that the boxing and wrestling Preeded the best employees because they accountability yes, you know and again the cutting the weight like you're responsible like that's This what I love about Justin is What makes it so nice to train him is

High-level people like I've had the luck to be able to train some high-level guys lately, and I don't have to deal with any shit like you know, and it's if I hold myself accountable Then there's there we don't have to have these deep conversations or get your feelings hurt that were just true to it His accountability for everything is just there's there's nothing like it

I credit that to his parents his parents are just such amazing people and

The way that they had raised him to hold the you know because he screwed up a lot of the kid I told him we were hanging out with our younger we got a lot of trouble because you remind me of myself Super hypers like like making super bad decisions, but getting punished getting grounded getting not not being able to go out late at night

Strict parents in that

Being able to understand that there is rules of life and you have to be accountable if you screw up

“You got to deal with the punishment and that is it comes from your parents. I agree. I think my parents being such good people”

So my mindset as always since I was a kid. I have looked up so the reason I take

comments on Line and I read them. I've always looked up and given every single person I've ever interacted with the benefit of doubt of being good and Whether it's what they're saying what they're doing their actions Everybody's been in my role model. I've never never looked at myself as a role model

I've always looked at whether no matter what if even strangers like I Trust that they're gonna that they're good and that's where I start my that's where I start everywhere from and So reading comments online like I truly Taking to account what what I'm reading. You know, and I don't know why because I know it doesn't matter a lot of times a lot He's probably fucking thirteen fourteen-year-old kids

But I in my mind there are fifty-year-old, you know men with the experience and I just try to use as much and as much as the readily available information comments words Action as I can from a place of like I feel like a child in a sense

“When it comes to like interacting with people and I don't know I don't know why that's how I take it”

Or that's how I do it, but it makes everything you know a little bit Better and I'm not as disappointed as much because like once I learn that they're not that What are not good and they can't help me then I don't be like, oh, that's a bad person I'm just like okay, I'm not gonna Have that experience again. Well that's a good perspective. It sounds like you use it then and that's this everyone's different

And if you can handle it and you don't get mentally ill from reading comments. Dude. That's a rare you're a rare person We had many common You know that's what my I went to school for humans. I love to help people you have no idea how much joy it brings me To assist people to make people's life better to live someone's spirit I mean those that is what makes me feel alive and that comes to my faith

And through my parents, you know my parents are such good people they deserve so much more than than most parents Because of their actions and their example that they show for me and yeah, I'm just so grateful

“To be the person that I am because you know, it makes life easier life is easy life is so easy when you're not”

Concerned about what people think when you're not worried about Things that you can't control. But it's also easy if you're a good person To be a person without the example of my parents. You have a no idea how good and I leave my parents are and when I say naive. It's in such a good way because they haven't Done the bad things that most of us have done and I and I failed him and

The last time I ever did drugs

I woke up in an ambulance and I'm pretty sure I died and I was like I will never fucking do that again

My parents do not deserve that and that was probably 2016 Wow, and I like I will never touch that again ever my parents do not deserve that and that was that's why I'm here Good for you, dude That's awesome and it's great that you have such an awesome relationship with your parents And it really does seem like that attitude that you have is very free in a lot of ways it is really is yeah, golf

weed Trevor, let's talk about those gloves. What the fuck do we have to do to get your gloves into the USA? It doesn't make any sense that we're using inferior gloves I want obviously, I want to talk about this, but the gloves I fought in this week were a different they are they felt It was a different they were different they were the same same glove the leather was different. It was

Live with thicker I think and so it was softer and so every time I've ever fought I've had the most excruciating pain in between My hands right here and I didn't feel that at all this fight So it's like if you have like a thinner material going through it's going to cut through this kind of little easier So this was a tighter material. Yeah, this was looser Because it was thicker. It was weird so it was better better for that feeling that all fighting

Better for comfortable. Yeah, like there's no idea how uncomfortable we are always like pulling on the glove of the pull to back

It's like getting a hand wrap too tight and you get those little things You make it fast because it's harder But he's disguised in jeans. He can fucking make anything So Hunter reached out to me three weeks ago four weeks ago and said he wanted to ignite Conversation again, so we'll see where that goes, but you know from that first position that we were in a

Lot of things happened in a great thing.

They did the right thing and tried to make what we had spoke about you know

We had NDA and we had a five-year and they moved it to a two-year Took a lot of great notes and I'm very grateful to be a part of those because they did go out there It used a lot of the ideas that I had But they just couldn't do it to the level that I could do it and I thought it was super cool that they were trying because it was it is a problem that they don't really see and understand

“So I think they're they're in the right mindset and you know them helping the athletes that that was a great great thing to do”

But during that time when I was gonna talk to I actually brought the gloves and it was when you were fighting on 300 We're out there and I had a new patent that I had been working on so we could go opposite direction if they went on it It's a separate patent from the patent that I had that goes in all of our products the internal strapping This was a new patent still with internal strapping but a more dialed in for it. Fight glove And then we had those two options and then when we got there all he had told me that that they're releasing a new glove

And so we have you know two versions now, which is super cool and yeah, I think it is great. Here's the conversation though What are you trying to fix? I Okay, I pokes a bit that is not possible. You don't think it's possible to make less eye-pokes. You can make less

If you're making less actually never stop stop stop. Well, of course you're not gonna stop because the fingers are our

Is the athlete the issue is the comfortably of the athlete and the performance of the athlete that is where Your ambition has to lie when it comes to making the glove better because The thing that gloves we're fighting in now are fucking Terrible you have no idea it's hard to make a fist you have to use your entire muscle of your arm to make a fist and so by the time we get to the fight This is already

Your form exhausted exhausted and then the pressure in between your fingers is like something You can't replicate. Let me ask you this. Do you think it's possible to make something that's like a mitten? Something that covers over the tips of the fingers. You would have fucking 80% less eye-pokes I do think you could do that in time. I don't think that's that change is hard for everybody Joe got to huge change for grapplers and things like that

It's better, but you're a grappler. So you're a grappler most people are gonna say well, that's gonna affect this or my certain lock

“Or I think that's how they try it, but again, it's it's good to test it. It would enhance it”

The problem would be like rear naked jokes like getting the hand on that you're more thickness Like it's regular gloves are a problem already, but is it more of a problem just to have the fingers covered with the regular glove I think it's the same might actually Might actually even slip in better, but the thing is it's like covering the tips with like a mitten like those old school ever last bag gloves I just think that I think it's a different sport now, but why you could still clench

You can do everything that's what I'm talking about you take this the ground But everything's the same. We can still grapple This is telling me so much right now, like and if you take them to show me yeah, right like that is a that's a huge Factory when it comes to intuitive abilities Okay, like explain that to me like what do you feel and with your fingertips?

That you think would be missed well, it's not the fingertips when it's my hand like he moves away

“He moves any direction like I can make that read and now he's farther and now he's there right and I think if you're gonna take touch away from us”

That would deter our intuitive abilities. Mm-hmm. I wonder, I wonder how much You understand where as a fighter for me. It's like when I am relaxed when I'm relaxed and if my hand can be in this position when I'm relaxed Then I'm okay, then then there's not gonna be as many eye-pokes But when I relax and it goes like this right like and now I have to force your hand when I have to do this

I'm not you're never gonna take the human reaction and instinct away to protect yourself and the instinct to protect yourself is

no Right that is the instinct right natural. It's intuitive and it has to be that because you're trying to get your chin tucked behind your shoulders so that you don't get hit, but the uncomfortability and like the straining was Effort it takes to make a fist is fucking stupid stupid and this is the difference between your gloves and the current UFC gloves

My gloves are making your hand my gloves are or one of those things that it promotes a natural hand natural position a better grip Yes, better fist position where I'm not when I squeeze my fist and I have the wrap on it doesn't pull my hand up like this And when you see guys touch gloves, they're usually like this. Uh-huh not like this right and it's that lining the bones up for you know Again, they they said that the last gloves were causing less knockouts hard gloves What are the cause more knockouts because a better hand position better grip strength? I'm being able to have holds like if I'm holding it

I want protection for your hands, and internal strapping like that is a huge thing like my goal at a certain point would at to have where you can't have hand wraps on

If you have a glove that's actually protecting your hand

But you have the gloves on that that what's equal 100% because if you got one person

“Adds more more padding more less padding right double layers tape like there's many different things that you can do and”

That to me it's like if if I if one fighter has tape wrapping their hands and then the other one has house wrap in the hands They're wrapping differently which one's better for brakes, which one's better for punching like right like so having that That's would be really cool. That's that's the difference with like our gloves. I'll show you

I've never put my hand when he's ever taped my hands

Like his tape job is I can't wait to show it off to the commission every single time. I'm like look at that Tell me you see no better one than that tonight, and every time I'm like, I don't think so You got gloves Of course you did

Of course you did. They're my favorite by far and that lays in gentleman at home if you're just listening The difference is your driver's gloves and everybody else's gloves One of the big differences is you can see if you're looking at it. I'll not let's see other curve folks Like the regular gloves from the UFC are not they're straight just like this So these gloves promote a natural punching position look without even putting them on they're ready in that position and then when you put them on

They're damn near perfect that padding is amazing the fantastic to hit the bag with

They're just fucking awesome and they and more importantly look what they promote So my hand is totally dead relax and it promotes a close fist position So this is a he's doing the internal strapping right now Over here, so that's gonna pull this um, as you notice we got pad on the sides So there's no like the all the other gloves the pad right right right coming down on a single knuckle

But again this strap is gonna really silly in oh, yeah This one Oh, so these are better than the last ones you brought here. Oh, this is fucking fantastic I've been dialing in finding the right product. Oh my god. You don't even need hand wraps Well, you had told me before that when you hit the bag with his gloves his bag gloves

I haven't used I haven't grabbed my hands. It's 2015. Piper doesn't fight with hand wraps on Which is crazy and it gives you a point if we have the right This is awesome This is so superior to the UFC gloves. I mean the fact that this isn't being used By the UFC right now is fucking great. We're gonna get it done. I

You don't try it so hard. I stepped away from like the biz this part. I'm the visionary now So I got right people that know how to make deals so good. It's right and the UFC's gonna be happy. We were ready Yeah, dude. I mean they're like dude. You know, I don't do it That was mevers could be I take fall responsibility. Oh, I believe it that I didn't know that you could do deals all these different ways

You know what they'd say what they wanted to do. I was like. Yeah. That's not how it feels so good It's so better. It's just much better. It's like where do you put it on the next one? I want to hit something. Well, this is one of the things that I love about you is that you're so fucking creative with stuff and you're you're constantly trying every single piece of equipment I have trained with for last

“So this is your training back. You're training. Yeah, that's what I trained in it. Nice. I hit pads in that never I've never”

War hand wrapped once. Oh, that's fantastic. Come in there, but yeah, I was going to test open Your hand to go straight out and then the pointer knuckle protecting that pointer knuckle is so big Yep Yeah, that's it, right? Yeah, oh, it's so nice. Yeah, then you wouldn't you still grip right? You get still grip, but you're so proud things It was hard and choke and the door knocking knuckles. This is what I'm talking about

People with those I bet you do You've got to go palm palm really But still it's those are your fantastic. Oh, thank you. Yeah, and I got you a pair of X-Factor's to this You got big hands. All right. I've ever I give you the sixties you're like bro. Please. I get a word for me Yeah, I got big hands for a little dude on usual. Yeah, we'll get it done, but uh, I mean

Anytime you want to I'm so happy. I'm so happy gonna get it done because I pushed for it too many times I brought it up Dana brought up everybody. It was like isn't yeah. What the fuck are we doing you guys spend a million Billion dollars trying to make these new gloves. You got rid of it three months. That's because I

Could sound bad that's because they've never

thought about the fighter but they tried they tried they tried they tried they didn't fucking try I do they you know how much money I'm not gonna tell you how much money. They put up they did to do what to give me the same exact fucking problem. They're making a bet they hired a company that works and full of them they change in their glove But they don't know they they took the ideas at least they tried they did I will give them one hundred percent

“They didn't try but I remember seeing the gloves when they tried and go on these suck these are not as good”

I'm like right away. I was still uncomfortable. I hear my head said to them by the way why don't you just get Travis gloves with the fuck are we doing it. No, these are good. These are good. Get the fuck

The best gloves exist they're already made like there's only a few people out...

Get creative and redesign and engineer gloves and then when someone does it to the extent that you've done it like God So Joe, would you think about that that's that's where I think I fit in well with this because I want to

evolve with the company and if we change one thing like my first thing I want to do is help a performance

I don't want someone to hurt their hand. We're also and I hurt my hand on the top of your head and I just left handed now And everybody just you know there's no paper view now, but I pay to watch these fights and now the guy that I wanted to see fight Can't continue because he hurt his hand. Right. So we fix that problem. We fix longer better grip strength for the the grapplers who are going to need it to have risk control when throwing shots. I want to help athletes perform and as we go Let's slowly develop and test with the athletes and find out what because it's about the athlete. It's what works for them

And when we can get gloves on people and try something like you were talking about that'll take time

“You have to train it and go. Oh, I'll actually like this better than this a pros and cons. There's pros and cons everything right. So”

It would take time and that's where we're I'm passionate about is let's find a problem and let me think through solving it I need to know what that power here and we shall send anybody to your website. It's is it on x yeah, oh and x sports on sports.com. Yep. A lot of people smell it with a lot of gloves. The best shin pads. Thank you. You have the best equipment It's fucking phenomenal. There it is right there. That's the website on exports It's fucking fantastic stuff. I mean, it's really obvious that it's a high-level coach who's developed all this shit

I mean everything you make is top of the food chain. Cut the best tester in the world. There you go You're not hard. I fucking break everything. I'm sure and I cannot break these loves I cannot break these loves I have to switch every like six months because I wear the timeout so much so I don't ever want to hurt my but you got two or three sessions of training every day Like that's for a typical person these gloves are gonna last well over you. I

Cori had his shin guards for four years That's my shin guards for like three years. Yeah, and when you think about the amount of damage that that three years entails Yep, that's pretty incredible for them. It's a leathery foam. Yeah, you're not much fun with sweat with sweat. Everything's getting broken down and Moisturized and then drying out again crap. Yeah, that's the dark bags that we're up there dude We got connectors for the shin guards and the knee pads on the outside so all your equipment's on the outside of the bag to dry

“Oh, that's that's really cool too. So just try and rethink how things work. So that's what I love about the way you approach things”

They're always like fixing the problem. I can't stand you when we're not even working on kickboxing and someone's kicking

And it's because they're fucking geared. Yeah, that was a worst thing about fixing my nose Fucking smelling people all You know how the jib is Especially with you, right? Yeah

Dude, you don't watch their keys. Those guys are that's it. That's a real problem. It's a real problem And those are the ones who always give you fucking kudies to Right, so nasty. Yeah, it's nasty Well, this is just and I just want I'm so glad you're not gonna fight to the end of the year like for whenever just Enjoy that because that was a fucking masterpiece. It was beautiful to be there

I'm as I I felt so I'm lurking American I felt so

“This country because we're a melting pot. Yes, and I think I have done it. I think I achieved that and so I'm very very proud of that”

Dude, you did it in spades. You mean you did it five stars. It was fucking phenomenal It was one of the greatest events that any sporting event Has ever put on I mean maybe the greatest sport event in the history of the world. I said before this gonna be like some miracle I shit it was man. I know really. Why knew I knew I knew I had the opportunity to do something Did it and then here come town

Yeah, I want to stand me

That was so cool. So cool that is. Yeah, so cool that is that is so amazing. That's so fucking amazing

It was an amazing night too. That's so happy. I went. I'm so happy. I was there to see it lie Me too. I was honestly really nervous chill. I was like dude. There's like just again being around Everybody and something could happen the drones at kid. You know that they stopped like Again, I wasn't knowing what to expect and then till after the fight because again we couldn't take it in it was a beautiful thing And Justin I was like fucking if I could take it out in the middle of the cage how fucking legendary are they happy?

I said the drop I got a little bit all done it there I said to Trump I hope we don't die in a terrorist attack goes we got to go somehow Yeah, I don't remember for the rest of a Opass better the way it went better That's a way better. I'll probably better. Well, hey, brother. Thank you for coming here

Congratulations masterpieces. Yes, both of you. Let's go on. I just got a I'm gonna shoot a L On the go-hunt website yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you see almost something you're a shot Dude check it out. Check it out. We fucking missed our ass off. We were in the it was windy these things do not stop moving

They could see us forever and they just kept going and

We were on shoot we couldn't get prone so we had to you know you you're you're all every

“Hunter like I'm gonna have a prone position. I'm gonna shoot from we cannot get in a prone position”

So we're on shooting sticks trying to manipulate the sticks and Yeah, we were not really a store so I look look misses from 140 yards To the story was saying goes to with about thousand 93 yards and gravy hits it in the head drops it And we're just like what the fuck look how how do you hit that shot? Miss a hundred this is

Oh, yeah, look at this wow that's thousand thousand ninety two was he shooting for the head? No

I don't even know behavior. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was well a thousand yards

“You're just trying to hit the center of the fucking target and these crazy prairies to the kind of wind drift your deal”

And they they don't they can see from miles these things do not stop moving Though they're they evolved to get away from cheetahs. They used to be North America cheetahs And so North America this is all before the younger dry has impact so it's like when Somewhere around 11,800 years ago 65% of all North American mammals went extinct and there was American lion that was bigger than the African lion and then there was a cheetah and these fuckers

These guys evolved to get away from cheetahs so they can run like 55 miles a hour Fucking crazy Prehistoric eyeballs like way out here. It's crazy how good a decoy works with them though Oh horses too guys walk right up on them on horses Yeah, we get a move a moochel

“I think just walk right behind the walk right behind them and then you get that's how archery hunters do it a lot because you have to get a lot”

Yeah, very tough to sneak in about sneak up on them. So smart you do bohont do you ever bohont? No, no, would you want to learn you would love something to have all in love with it

Just like bohont have a bohont just have it hunted. I shot an elk and did not recover it and I told myself that I will never

go Archery hunting unless I have a time and effort to Be 100% ready. Yes And so right now it's just rifle Well rifles always going to be the most effective way. It's still an awesome way

Who's white tail in Arizona is my favorite hunt? Oh really, I'll go in now with me. What is that? That's a fun hunt Those are tiny little guy tiny and great go. I drop there so my my buddies their whole life have looked We could go out that we wouldn't find shit. Right. They're fucking everywhere Well, they're hard to find them. Yeah, they're good. They're on the great ghosts and my buddies can find them and it's such a fun hunt Yeah, it's a great hunt. Well, Arizona is a great hunting state to you. Yeah, really. It's an elk in the country. Yep. Yeah

Gentlemen again congratulations absolute masterpiece Sunday night. One for history. One like there Maybe the greatest event in the history of the sport. I mean John Rogan again baby One more time. Let's do one more time when you do decide to wrap up Thank you guys. Thank you and on export your calm get the best couple of the world. I love it. Thank you

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