The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
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Blake Lively's Marriage Drama, Meghan & Harry's Rumored Rift, and Nepo Privilege at the Met Gala

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Maureen Callahan is joined by celebrity reporter and Royal insider Rob Shuter to dive into the latest celebrity drama, including Blake Lively's solo appearance at the Met Gala, stepping onto the red c...

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β€œHello, and welcome to the nerve at Night, I am your host, Maureen Callahan, and yes, it's”

another cold open poms, pearls, and prosecutions, hot on the heels of our Met Gala live stream, which was so much fun and Brian Nome in his big boobs really stole the show from Lena Donom, who was wearing a tent that we ordered off of, I forget where, but it was a major hall. We, Marlene, went into it, she wouldn't order anything on Amazon, she's worried about

the algorithm, but go and look at our live stream if you haven't, because it is chock full of visual references, curated just for you guys. Celebrity reporter Rob Schuter is back. We have headlines upon headlines, Blake, lively, settles her lawsuit in a shock move that no one saw coming, and then within two hours she materializes on the red carpet or the green

β€œcarpet, whatever that thing was at the Met Gala, and what does she do?”

She snaps at her minions, I mean, you can't even, like it's too good, it's too good. We've got that, we've got other really bad behavior on that red carpet, Rob and I are going to talk about this thing as what it is, it's the convention for the worst people in the world, okay, and then we have like breaking exclusive stuff on the state of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's marriage, and they're basically their brand ambassadors,

and nothing more at this point, they're, I mean, Rob's got, he's really spilling some

tea, really spilling some tea, and then we've got lots of your incredible feedback, really

smart stuff, we're all going to get into together, we've got a guest coming up, we're

β€œgoing to ask you guys, if you have any specific questions regarding Mother's Day, which”

is coming up, the nerve is going to cover Mother's Day in a different way, and Meg Josephson, the incredible author of "Are you mad at me?" is going to come back to answer your questions. We'll explain more later in the show, and again, we will have, there are two more days to enter the competition for one of five signed copies of Rob's book, it's started with the Whisper, we've got more details on that later in the show as well, shrubblemakers.

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Of it's still a little bit feeling like the morning after I think for both of...

on Tuesday, you posted like one new item, I was like even Rob, even Rob, it was like I needed app. If you haven't, go check out said sub-stack, Rob's naughty but nice. He has a ton of exclusive

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it started with a whisper and on Friday we are going to announce the winners of the nerves giveaway contest for one of five signed copies by the author himself, there is still a little bit

β€œof time. Enter, we will tell you at the later in the show, Rob, welcome back, how are you feeling my friend?”

Great, it was really lovely, it was such a fun night, I didn't even feel like we were on TV, we were broadcasting, I felt like there was four of us at a bar, having a dream to giggling and laughing, I left there and it was the best met ballmice I've ever had and I've been to two of these balls, I had more fun with you and everybody and we made it a little bit of news, I sent you a naughty text and editor and chief of a very fancy magazine was watching and wants to get a drink

with the two of us, we'll do that next week. I cannot wait, you are such a connector and so we have to talk about the destroyers who showed up at that met ballmice because to me it's almost feeling, okay, so the big headline which broke right before our live stream aired, Blake lively, settled, her lawsuit against Justin Baldoni two weeks before this thing was about to go to court, it was due to the trial was due to begin on May 18th in Lower Manhattan. Now we were all, you know, as we were

sort of like fizzing around and, you know, before the show, we were all different, someone said,

β€œI bet you Blake shows up at the met ball and I was like there's no way and I think you were in”

that camp too, but there's no way and it wasn't until the troublemakers in the live stream started going, hey, Maureen, Blake lively's there, oh my god, look alive, I was like, I can't believe this,

we couldn't believe it, what do you know, right? Yeah, it was stunning, so first of all, what

my report in is is that Ryan Reynolds was behind of this settlement, we know we've reported it on your show, he's been pressuring her, pushing her, asking her, maybe someone said, begging her to settle this for months, it became a real personal, really vindictive real battle where Blake was no longer looking at the facts or listening to advice, she just was really angry and I think we've all been in the position like that where we want to settle a score and we want to score

a point and it's actually going to do us a lot of damage, so finally Ryan got through to her, I'm told the tipping point was when Blake's lawyers and Ryan sat her down and said, you were not

going to win that. The 10 most important charges have been thrown out all the sexual harassment

charges have been thrown out and now this case is a very, very weak case and if you go to court and you lose, it's just another loss, haven't you lost enough already, you've lost your reputation, your best friend Taylor Swift, even her marriage is a little rocky, she doesn't want to lose that and now you're going to lose a court case better to just get out and this bombshell reporting today in the Daily Mail that no money exchange tans, remember she wanted $300 million, now we find out

that she settled this for nothing, neither one of them have apologized, that's interesting, I always like to read the wording of the statements because often that is part of this settlement, no apology, no apology, they both want to respect women in the workplace and have a peaceful future, but this has cost millions in legal fees, no money to Blake and ultimately,

β€œpotentially destroyed her career. Do you see Justin suing Blake for attorney's fees?”

Good question, I think that might have already happened, the fact that we don't know this, I think, hitting the phone's all day, nobody can tell me that and so I think that if Blake, if Blake did not have to pay his fee, it should be bragging about that, should be bragging to her friend, should be telling her mates like this cost him millions of dollars, so screw him, I taught him a lesson, I'm not hearing that, so I'm hearing nothing, so this is conjecture here,

I don't have any reporting on that, but I'm trying to get it and maybe he will or maybe he already has, maybe he, because she's in such a weak position at the moment, this case was falling apart before our eyes, the fact she settled it tells me that she knows, she wasn't going to win, and so maybe part of his deal, because he has an opinion in this too, maybe he agreed to settle

It if she paid those fees, we don't know that yet, but we will eventually.

Yeah, I mean, Ryan and Blake have so much more money, they have hundreds of millions of dollars,

and Justin Baldoni does not. He does have no, he does have a billionaire friend who runs his production company, and so when people will hide in this movie get made, where's the money from,

β€œhe has a really good friend who's a major investor in his production company, and I think”

that's the person that probably paid these legal bills. So Rob, let's talk a bit about the state of the Reynolds lively marriage, because I've been reading reports that it has been very rocky of late, and that those two being at Lagerhead's Ryan, psychoarseness, Ryan, as he's known here at the nerve, begging her to drop this, to settle, and to make peace. So it says a lot, when somebody who is is quite aggressive in many ways,

I think, just my opinion, says we're going to be pragmatic, drop it. This is costing us reputationally. There is no way any director hires Blake lively for anything. If she did it to this guy, she'll do it to you, make no mistake. Ryan's got his own public relations battles to be fighting right now. Do they, how does this marriage survive this? It's rough. It's rough. This would be a source told me the trickiest, the most dangerous part

of their marriage life together. This has put them through Helen Back. Let's be honest,

β€œshe's put them through Helen Back. And I think she thought this is going to be a slam dunk.”

She was going to win this really easily. I thought she was going to make a lot of money, and the opposite has happened. Blake tried to sue Justin to prove that she was not a bully. She said there was a smear campaign against her, and in the process of suing him, what did she confirm that she was a bully? She went after journalists, she went after a ton of bloggers, she had behavior in this, has been absolutely mind mind-bending

and Ryan went along with it until he couldn't anymore. And I'm told that point happened when he realized this wasn't just affecting her anymore. It wasn't just tarnishing her career, her reputation. It was tarnishing as well, and they had to get out of this, and she knows this. She did not want to settle this. He did tell me any marriage that can survive, that can negotiate something so fundamentally different. There is going to be scars from what has happened over the last year,

and even if they survived it, and I hope they do. If they survived this, I think that there's going to be damage there, and we know neither one of them are really good at dealing with this stuff. And so I would put eggs over the next six months or so, people close on on this marriage. I agree. And you know, it's not just the sort of ambient damage done to Ryan Reynolds' reputation. It's far more substantial than that, because when you think of what came out in discovery,

those emails that we read on the air at the nerve written by Ryan, which we're so embarrassing, and so humiliating, and the star-fuckery he was involved in, and when we saw the emails and texts among Blake and Ryan and say like a Matt Damon and his wife, who was also his producing partner, talking about how they're going to flush Justin Baldoni right out of Hollywood. You know, it's like these people, their their reputations are just done, and we were talking last night.

I think before the show about this report that Ryan is seeking to minimize his character of dead pull in the next film, which I interpret that as, no, I think the studio is telling Ryan, we need to minimize you if not erase you, because you are, you're going to be such box office

police. Yeah, I never ever met an actor, and I've been doing this for 30 years. I never met an actor

β€œin 30 years, who said, you know what, I want a smaller part. That's what I was saying.”

Justin, happened. What actor? That's ever said, I don't want as many lines. I don't want to be a camera as much. The real housewives don't do this. I just don't do this. They live for this, and so there's no truth to that at all. This is now a studio who is ready to move on with this franchise. It's still a very powerful franchise. They don't care. Studios don't care about actors. They care about money. Ryan Reynolds, at the minute, is not a safe bear. So it's a bet. Every

time you produce a movie, every time you release a movie, you might as well be in Vegas at the

crack stable. It is a gamble and you never know. So you want to stack the deck. You want to make

sure you've got every possible chance to win this. And I know that Ryan at the moment is not a winner. He's he's he's worse than that. He's not neutral. He's a detriment. He's somebody that studio should be very, very worried about they'll get Tom Holland, they'll get a new, young fresh

Face.

He probably will collect some of the money to the god of the days of Ryan opening blockbuster

β€œmovies. No, no movie studio is going to do that. At least in the foreseeable future.”

Thank God. This is exactly why the nerve exists. I like to see bad actors, literal and figuratively, the literal and figurative bad actors flushed out of our lives, just flushed out and speaking of, you know, who we were talking about last night, the number of female celebrities who showed up at the Metcala without their significant others. Zoe Kravitz without Harry Styles. There were any number of them, but what struck me was I this must have been later in the evening.

Ryan's one time BFF Hugh Jackman showed up at the Metcala with Sutton Foster, who he left his wife of many, many years for his wife who gave up her acting career. It was often said back in Australia. She was the truly gifted one. She gave up her career to help Hugh get his, his loft. And so

they were there together, but you know, and they were once like Hugh Jackman was always seen with Ryan

and Blake always that Taylor Swift shows at Kansas City. He's games and Blake shows up alone. And we're going to take a look at this real, which is incredible from the Metcala steps where Blake is attempting to pose in a dress that is so voluminous, a train that just goes on and on forever, what I call her territorially pissing all over the Metcala and the culture saying, you don't like me too bad. Not only am I not going anywhere, I'm going to take up all this space. And she's like,

here we see her. She's like we're demonstrating the handlers who are it's a very Megan Markle move. You're trying to help me. Well, you're doing it wrong. Doing it wrong. You know, and I was also looking at commenters online, Rob, saying, oh my God, even the photographers aren't taking her photo, nobody's in her vicinity. Everybody fucking hates her. Thank you. She's just awful. She's all like told this story before I'll tell it again.

Whenever there's a celebrity interview or a red carpet, at least in my office, I try to spread it around the staff, the young staff, all the staff, love talking to celebrities. That's part of the reason we're in this business. They all raise their hands and we sort of have to ration it up. So everybody gets their fair chance. The one person that nobody wants to do, nobody raises their hand when I say, I've got a press pass for the Blake lively new movie.

Nobody wants to go. She's that mean to report us. She just is at nice. Remember, she has settled and lawsuit just a few hours ago. And she's turning up at the set on the sense of the

β€œmet to reset. To reset, this is a fresh beginning for Blake. And why does she do snap at an assistant?”

She doesn't snap at the on say or Madonna or a worthy worthy opponent. She snatched it into the assistant. This is like snapping at a waiter. Shame on you. Yeah. Once again, she proved in front of the world's press. This wasn't in a Starbucks. This wasn't in a private gym. This was literally on the steps of the met with every reporter in New York and maybe around the world on those steps. And she was so confident, so arrogant in her meanness that she snapped at

them. I would have at least waited till I got inside to have a few words. No, she doesn't care within hours. She showed us once again if she really is. You know, Rob, it really begs the question. If this is how she behaves in public with the world's eyes on this stage, how do you think she behaves in private? Oh, she must be in terror. She must be, she's one of the worst people. I think we've seen in public life in a very long time. I really do. And it really, you know,

one of the reasons many of us at the nerve on Monday night were convinced she wouldn't show up is because of the weeks and months of planning it takes to pull together a look for the Metcala, the fittings, the negotiations, the styling, the scheduling. And so at least be to believe that she knew that this settlement was obviously as long in the making, that she had reconciled herself to this, you know, over several weeks, that she waited hours before the Metcala to announce this

on purpose. So that she would then steal the headlines at the, you know, the Metcala, it's basically

β€œshe stole it from, okay, if you want to talk about a conglomeration of the worst people in the world.”

Jeff Bezos, we played the 911 call from the Amazon warehouse, you know, a worker, an Amazon worker saying, "I'm somebody just dropped dead at the loading dock, an Amazon worker, and the worker's being allegedly reportedly told to work around the dead body." Okay, the EMS crew would come and take that away. So Jeff Bezos, Lauren Sanchez, Anna Winter, Blake, lively, I mean the only truly terrible person. Hugh Jackman, it's like the worst

People, it's a convention for the worst people in the world.

right, right, but was on the job on the floor, but I think you make a really valid point

β€œin a really important point. People don't know this, and I understand why they don't,”

and I probably didn't understand it until I went through the process too, to get ready for the Met takes weeks if not months of preparation. The gander she had had to be pulled by the designers, which meant they couldn't give that dress to anybody else, which is a huge loss of opportunity of publicity. So to pull a dress and then to not wear it, it's a really shitty thing to do to a designer. So she pulled a dress, Erin Makeup, tried booking a hair and make up person in New York,

that night. They're all booked. They're all booked. Now, a lot of the hair and make up people, do three or four stars, and normally that's fine because Julia Roberts is not at the same from the original. So they had to, but to not last night, Monday night was all bits off. Everybody had to be done at the same time on the same night at the same city going to the same event. So she booked hair and make up. She booked that huge van. She arrived in. She booked

security. She booked that dress. This was months and months and months of planning, which goes to show you, I'm a manipulative all this. It's don't feel sorry for poor Blake. Don't feel sorry, but for Blake having to do a last-minute decision here. This is all planned out and then she planned to turn up at the Met, which really let's be honest now. It's not a ball. It's a photo on. People go with their stairs and they leave you. The Met ball is the 20 steps, the 40 steps,

from the pavement to the front door. Then it's over. We saw so many celebrities. I had my reporters outside the hotels last night at eight nine o'clock. Celebrities were coming back to the hotel. Really? For the after party. Some celebrities had left before Rihanna, even a riot. And so it's a very early night and a winter starts on those steps, 435 o'clock and said by the time eight o'clock nine o'clock comes. It's over. A lot of celebrities have left. The year that I went,

lots of celebrities left and it was crushed at first in the cocktail part and as the night goes on,

you see them leave because they're more interested now in getting dressed up in something even even more sexy to where to be on the sales party. And so this was all planned and told Blake to not spend very long in the actual ball. She wasn't there to be a princess at a ball. She was there to walk up those steps because it was a press off. That's all this is now. It's not a ball. It's not a gala. It's a press opportunity.

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Let's take a look at another trio, I think, of likely, listen, you mentioned ...

that there is a rule, an ostensible rule that a guest must be 18 to enter and attend. Nicole Kidman broke that rule by bringing her non-model to 17-year-old daughter, Sunday Rose, another badly behaved set of attendees, Jay-Z and Beyonce attended with their 14-year-old daughter

β€œBlue Ivy. Again, I think that's a child and I don't think a child has any place at this event.”

Blue Ivy, we're going to look at this real, was seen ignoring her father and assistance telling her to remove her glasses. She refused to do it. Again, Jay-Z, who kept his mouth shut all throughout the Diddy trial, remember Diddy used to rule the Metcala, that carpet, and Jay-Z said nothing and he was friends and business partners with Sean Combs for many, many, many years. But again, at the convention of the worst people in the world, welcome Jay-Z, Beyonce,

and your fucking irritant of a daughter. The video is really amazing, so they arrived together

as a family. It's a beautiful family shot. She's there on a little late though. I've told that Anna was a little peed by this because if you host the ball, you meant to get there early. Once again, Anna got there about 4/3, Beyonce did not rock up until 8/3 and by then, the whole introduction line, the whole receiving line had disappeared. But she arrived with her daughter with her husband, they wanted to pose as a family, except one of them was wearing sunglasses,

and it wasn't the two stars. It was the daughter of a 14-year-old daughter, and so I noticed that first Beyonce's longtime publicist of that. The lip brand, I saw it in the video and was doing this, take the glasses off. She didn't listen to that. Why were she listening to her publicist? Then her dad told her to take her glasses off her sunglasses. Then the designer told her to take the sunglasses. That designer did his sign. She didn't do it. Let me explain why this

is important. It sounds trivial. I listened to what my mom and dad said. I'm only there because I'm not my mom and dad. Nobody invited you, Blue Ivy. Your mom and dad were invited, but the other reason this is so important is photographs, which sunglasses on do not sell, editors, writers will not

β€œselect pictures with sunglasses on. If you want to be on the cover of the post, the next day”

if you want to be on the cover of the Daily Mail the next day, you can't be wearing your sunglasses. That's why Anna hates her sunglasses off for certain pictures. When she doesn't want to be photographed, she puts her sunglasses back on. It just doesn't sell. As a reader, we need to connect with someone's eyes in order for us to spend most $2, $3, $6 to buy that magazine. So Beyonce was there because she wanted a picture taken. She was getting dressed for four or five hours. This was not a moment

where Beyonce was low. She turned up to be looked like Beyonce should be fantastic. And now, that picture is going to be more difficult to sell because her daughter refused to take off a sunglasses. Well, they're building that monster. That's what happens when you take your kid to a ward shows and you're just trying to make them famous from the moment they're born. I mean,

β€œhonestly, they set the table. Remember when she gave birth, I'll never forget that interview”

where she was like six months, seven months pregnant and sat down. And I've never seen a pregnant

belly gave in like that. But they set that table when they, they rented out the entire floor of Sloan Catering, whenever hospital was a town in Manhattan. For Beyonce to give birth, they call it to Beyonce floor to the state and not in a way that's like fuck them. But Rob, why do we never see their son sooner? Why are we always seeing blue ivy and we never see sir? It's very big and Markle and Harry, right? We all see Lily and never Archie. Yeah, they've made a decision. This

is not by accident. They can choose, you know, if Beyonce wants an extra ticket to bring her son or an extra ticket to bring her mom, she'll get an extra ticket. She didn't want one. This is not like you and me and when I please kind of bring a plus lot. Beyonce can bring as many people as she wants. They chose not to. I'd like to believe that the son and we know so little about him. So this is just, just the gas, this is more private and isn't comfortable in these moments.

That's also be clear too. The, this ball is out there. When I went, I saw a lot of almost naked people inside people and not behaving that well, they're drinking some of smoking around

all that $1 million worth of money. Oh, sure. Yeah, you're seeing stuff that I would not

Expose the 14-year-old to.

this is like going to a nightclub at four in the afternoon. This is like going to the line light at two in the morning. It is debauchery in there. People are there to get attention. If you put together some of the sexiest people in the world, they were all drinking and having a good time. Still happens in there and I think they're like this, they're like this shy of a glory hole at the Metcala. You know what I mean? There's no reason a 14-year-old girl should be in there.

β€œI need to go, go in the day to see the art. If you want to be at the Met,”

the only way of 14-year-old should be at the Met is on a guided tour, which is great and free. Going to a guided tour of the Met, learn something about the art, got them big, beyond saying Jay should take their daughter to the Met this weekend to see the costume institutes. A lot of celebrities don't even get to see the costume institutes. They walk up that step and they get a drink or they walk out of the back end and to arrive that late.

One of the reasons that you should get there early is that you are welcome to walk through

the galleries. Go and have a look at this incredible art. These incredible costumes.

They pay this sort of pissing game celebrities do. I've seen it a lot where the last celebrity you to arrive is the biggest star. I've been in limos with celebrities, where if the carpets two fall, we'd ride around the block. We'll be back in a minute. I wouldn't saw Jennifer

β€œAnderson. I think it was at the Golden Gloves and she arrived so late that door was this close”

to be shot at her face. And it was her own fold. They play this game. So Rihanna ultimately was the latest to arrive at 9.30. But Beyonce got their pretty late. They got there so late that it almost feels irrelevant. It's so over. And it's like what do it and it also is just again indicative of how little power and a wheel is anymore. There was a time when you would be even a Beyonce would deterify and Irmiana to piss off Anna. I got to get to

another story about Harry and Meghan. Because again, Meghan was, it's a worse person in the world convention and she was not invited to that for the world. Inside, this is a radar exclusive inside Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's most explosive fight yet and how their kids are caught in the middle. The fight is allegedly over Meghan's attempts to continue to use the children

β€œfor publicity. And we just saw her a day or so ago boarding a private plane, I believe,”

but she was flying alone to Chicago for the first communion of one of her god children. And I thought that was very significant. I can even push that report and even play the radar didn't incredible job. I love the folks over there. Right now what I'm told is that pretty much now living separate lives. He has his friends, they pretty much now are living. They don't share anything in common. They don't really have any common interests apart from the Sussex brand.

And he's Mr. Mom. He's with the kids a lot. She is too. But I'm told now that their interests

were always, they were never aligned. But they tried to figure out things that they could do together

and now that all those business projects have broken up, they have separate friends. They have his no friends. And so she went by herself. It's such a weird thing, isn't it? This could have been a family repended away or they could have got a nanny and Harry and Meghan but have had a romantic weekend in Chicago. It's a great city, but no, she went by herself. And that's not because they couldn't afford a baby sitter. Often when my mom and dad

traveled separately, it's because they couldn't afford someone to look after the brat that I was. But they can afford people. I'm told now their lives are pretty much non-existent together. If this is the same God child, I have it on impeccable sourcing that when this God child was christened about seven years ago. That's about the length of time. Harry and Meghan went together and spent the entire time going out to dinner with this couple. And they were in there for the

whole weekend. It was at people at this level of wealth. It's not just a first communion. It's like days of festivities. It's days of self right. So when you say they're not sharing anything

raw by last question to you is that always reads as code to me as like they're living separate

lives. They don't share anything in common anymore that always reads as code to me and they don't share a bedroom anymore. That's I think you're going in the right place. I don't have that reporting, but from what I hear is they live such separate lives and Meghan still has this burning ambition to be a round-rich people. She'll jump on a plane if you're rich enough. If you are famous enough, she'll make an effort. He's given up. He doesn't want to do this anymore. He's a

God damn prince in his mind and he does not think he should be jumping.

to him, not him going to them. And so I hear that this is now pretty much a marriage in name only.

β€œRob, impeccable, impeccable reporting as ever, my friend. I got a double dose of raw sugar.”

We all got a double dose of raw sugar this week and hang on to that YSL velvet. Thank you so much for the other night because it's going in the Smithsonian when the nerve gets away. Your tuxedo bow is going in the Smithsonian. We will see you soon, my friend. Coming up trouble maker feedback. We have a tease for our Friday show. We want you guys to write in. We have a really great guest coming up familiar to you. Love by you. And our final, our final installment

of how to enter the competition to win one of Rob's signed editions, a signed first edition of its started with a whisper. We will be back in a minute.

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just in really strong stuff about our Russell brand segment, our Michael Jackson segments, and the Michael alive stream. But coming up before we know it, this weekend is Mother's Day.

And it got me to thinking about the other side of Mother's Day, which is that it's not always a

happy day for children, whether small, adolescent, adult children of a difficult mother's. And I thought it would be interesting if we asked Meg Josephson, who wrote an incredible book called Are You Mad at Me. And she was one of the nerves earliest guests. She's amazing. If she would come on the show on Friday and answer questions that troublemakers have about dealing with their mothers or mothers in law on Mother's Day or how they deal with not really, you know,

there's a thing where you can sort of love your mom, but maybe you don't always like your mom

β€œor maybe you feel that like nothing you do is enough for your mom on Mother's Day. And I think”

it's a worthwhile segment because I never ever ever see this talked about in the culture. Instead, we get poblem like on the today's show and, you know, mental midgets, like Chanel Jones going, everybody loves art. We all love our moms. Like, no, not everybody loves their moms, you know, some have really terrible moms. And I thought of this because I was reading, I was reading something, it was, I think it was a woman who wrote into an advice column. And she said something like,

you know, my mother has been hyper critical of me all of my life. And the last thing I really want

to do on Mother's Day is like, see her. I think I just want to stay home and like take care of myself and just do nothing. And I thought, wow, like we don't really talk about this. It feels like a third rail. So if you are among that cohort, please email me or email the nerve show, send in your questions,

Or, you know, maybe this is a difficult Mother's Day for you because it's you...

without your beloved mother. You know, maybe you had a great mother and you're struggling this year. Whatever it is, email me, [email protected] or the nerve show at devilmakermedia.com.

β€œI think that's right. Or you can DM me. Okay. Now, we're going to get into your feedback.”

morine, this is, we're going to run this photo of full screen. I missed this. This is from trouble maker Natalie, a frequent writer to the nerve. You will notice this is, again, at the, at the Met Gala. Chloe Mal is supposed to be the new head bitch in charge and Anna Windor and Nicole Kidman

are basically saying, not so sister, she is in there. Okay. Look at this. This is the nerve's version

of like the last supper. Okay. It's an automatic nominee, nerve awards, 2026, left to right, Nicole Kidman dressed in Chanel looking stunning in the back, Chloe Mal, with her hands clasped as almost as if in prayer, boxed out in between Nicole and Lauren Sanchez Bezos, her bought and paid for a rack on display and then next to her a few steps behind Lauren. That's the real head bitch in charge. Make no mistake. It's Lauren Sanchez Bezos is Anna Windor, but it is Chloe,

who is in the back. It's, you know, just pick up yourself respect and leave, leave Vogue. Okay. Anna is, is putting you through a humiliation ritual for the ages and it's not ending any time soon. Okay. Hi, Maureen. I just watched the parade of circus acts enter what used to be the epitome of fashion and elegance. The Met Gala, the theme was fashion as art, which is like

just a bullshit theme, but this troublemaker says art always reflects the culture of the times true.

Need, I say more. Looking at these people tells me that we are in big trouble. Listen, just stay, hang with us over at the nerve. Okay. We're not, as long as the nerve is here to push back,

β€œI think we're going to be okay. I think we're going to be okay. This is another one about the live”

stream. We heard really lovely positive feedback from you guys about the live stream, which was so gratifying because we had so much fun putting it together and it was just a blast and we're so happy that you enjoyed it as much as we did. Trouble maker Beth goes on to say I actually wasn't surprised

to see Blake Liveley there. When I heard on Monday that the lawsuit was settled, I knew she would

show up. I believe that she and Anna Winter are just mean girls in a pod, birds of a feather, two sides of the same coin. I think you are absolutely right. Anna by being a fashion dictator who made Vogue into something that mattered when it really didn't matter to most people, Blake married a man to elevate herself. This is just this trouble maker's opinion and becoming

β€œfriends with Taylor Swift to again elevate herself. This tracks, this tracks, I think in the end,”

just like her husband. Again, just this trouble maker's opinion, Blake has no shame and it should have surprised no one that she showed up acting like she is America's sweetheart. I truly think she believes she is important to the culture and that we will all just forgive her because she knows how to dress on a red carpet. It's not happening. Okay, as a troublemaker, I am no fan of the Megalibut just my opinion Paul Anthony Kelly was the best looking man on the red carpet. I whole

heartedly agree. This guy has it. His old school Hollywood masculinity, the kind of man they don't make anymore. This guy should send the likes of Jacob awardee running the other direction. Okay, dear, more in response to our deep dive on Russell Brand's supposed transformation into a Christian, I have to say I couldn't agree more. This is trouble maker and I'm going to keep you anonymous because you are divulging some personal things here that you are, I think are very,

very relevant and very, very moving. As a devout Christian, this trouble maker writes, I am personally offended by Russell Brand's manipulation and degradation of my faith,

Just this trouble maker's opinion.

in an unclear manic fashion with often confusing ideas and unnecessary wording. That is deliberate,

β€œI believe. I absolutely believe it so that no, so you can't like in this guy to the wall.”

And I'm just going to say, I heard from many of you, many of you in London who said, listen, we all knew about this guy. There was a major whisper network. Everybody in media knew this guy stay away from him. I've heard the same thing in LA, just saying, you know, just just saying, not saying it's true, but I am saying, I have heard from many of you who have said, there was a, you know, it was like just, it no goes on, no flies on. The giant cross,

Russell wears around his neck reminds me of those who sit in the front view and how they may be the ones furthest from God. Jesus himself cautioned his followers to look beyond appearances, to discern true character in the verse, beware false prophets who come to you and sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. And whether you believe in Jesus Christ himself as either the Son of God or historical figure or a prophet or the Bible is just literature. I mean,

I love those lines. I love those lines. As discussed, I'm agnostic, but I love those lines. On a personal note, I am suffering with chronic neuropathic pain in my body that is debilitating and agonizing on a daily basis. I am so sorry, trouble maker and so glad that you are hanging with us over at the nerve. She continues, my eyes fill with tears as I write this, I cling to the Bible and paraphrase verses over and over to comfort me. The Bible and my faith have been a lifeline

headrest and overflowing well, not a golden calf. Dear Maureen and the whole nerve family,

β€œthis email stopped me in my tracks because I remember this. I think the first time Gen Xers in”

particular were introduced to Janet Jackson really, really was when she was a child actress and she was on the Norman Lear sitcom Good Times about a black family in the projects. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant show. Janet came on well into the series run playing a character named Penny. If memory serves this troublemaker writes, neighbor will loan a adopts penny after it's discovered that poor little penny is wait for it and abused child. This goes back to our conversation on last

week's nerve about the abuse that reportedly all of the Jackson children suffered at the hands of the monster that was Joe Jackson. This troublemaker continues, there are disturbing scenes of little

Janet Jackson bruised up during the first episode, excuse me, introducing Penny to the plot.

This is, I'm going to warn you, this is a little bit graphic if, if, just be aware,

β€œthere is even an envelope pushing scene. I think I blocked this out, but I now that you're saying”

it, I, this sounds all too familiar. An envelope pushing scene of Penny's mother burning her with an iron or forcing her hand on the stove. I just remember her being burned by her mother. Isn't it a shame that mega producers such as Norman Lear didn't have the fortitude to really investigate what was happening to Janet Jackson in real life? Poor little Janet is being directed on stage with three cameras pointing at her as she acts as a little girl being abused by a parent

while she truly didn't need any coaching in this department, reportedly allegedly. Our culture would be a lot healthier if we were to stop worshiping the rich and famous and use the same metrics of decency on them as we use to judge our fellow plebes. PSY has Janet been so silent. This is a very loaded question for another time. Wonderful email. Thank you,

trouble maker W. Hello, morey and trouble maker Joyce here. I am so excited to receive my first

sub-sac email from you. We're so excited. You have subscribed Joyce. She is happy that we recommended the movie between friends, which actually came to us via another trouble maker, but I did recall seeing it as a teenager. It stirred up a memory of another TV movie. I love this chapter of Elizabeth Taylor's life when she was doing TV movies. Elizabeth Taylor as Luella Parsons

Jane Alexander as Head of Hopper, the dreaded gossip columnists who could mak...

in old Hollywood. The movie is called Malice in Wonderland. It is going on my list.

β€œOh, my God. I love it, trouble maker Joyce. Thank you. Okay. I got several emails about this”

and a fair amount of comments on the YouTube channel. And it was a pushback from my observation that the art in Michael Jackson's home during the 1993 live prime time interview he did with Oprah Winfrey was very telling as to his pretelections and interests. These are the young boys. And I'm going to read that this is sort of gets to it because I didn't recognize a famous statue that was over Oprah's shoulder. But I'm going to push back on these pushbacks.

Okay. As a member of a die hard Pennsylvania wrestling family, I have a special fondness

for this particular statue, the wrestlers. That's the name of the statue. My Irish Catholic mother, who raised three grapplers, love that, had this statue on our coffee table. It depicts Greek wrestlers of the original Olympic games. Anyone who appreciates the sport sees the statue as a depiction of a cross-body ride, cross-body ride used in folk style wrestling. If only I could become the gatekeeper for this beautiful work, so that it does not

become sexualized, I guess I wasn't surprised to see it in Jackson's home just heartbroken for the sin of sexualizing my beloved wrestlers into the woodchipper with the late Michael Jackson. I mean, he's not with us anymore. So he can't really go into the woodchipper. It's just a logical problem, but I trouble make her see. I have God to say, I feel like, you know, there is something extremely sexual about wrestling. I'm sorry. It's like kind of homoerotic mobrose. Don't come at me.

We can talk about it with Bill from Brooklyn on a later show. He's coming back very soon because there's much in the news cycle to discuss with him. But I heard this from many people who are

like, listen, it's a stash. It's wrestling. First of all, the figure on top looks far larger than

β€œthe figure on bottom. I think it's a man on top of a teenage boy at best. And secondly, in ancient”

Greece, it was an accepted practice, much as an ancient Rome. Why did I say, Rome? In ancient Rome, where men and having teenage boys sexually was, you know, a societal, it was fine. You know, I mean, they had their, it was like a class thing. They had to be of a certain class or, you know, but like, so I'm not pulling this out of thin air. You know, I'm not. Okay. Oh, I love this. Okay. This is trouble maker Kate from Florida. I wanted to share a quick win

from my classroom, Kate works with high school students with special needs across a range of ability levels. Many are in, I love this. Many are in life skills programs. Others focusing on

β€œsocial, pragmatic language. By the time they reach high school, they are practiced. You know, I think”

this should be across the board part of a curriculum. I really, really do. They've practiced just about every facial expression, activity, idiom and metaphor out there. This year, Kate says, she was looking for something fresh to help with the lesson plan. She has a group of five juniors and seniors preparing for the workforce, including a few interested in corporate environments. In January, Kate started using the nerves body language segments with them. And her students

love them. They even asked to watch quote unquote, the British guy on the nerve are beloved Mark Bowden to learn about micro expressions. Here's the highlight of my year one of 11th grade student students. Excuse me. Um, and this is a student in melody, interviewed for a summer job at a Wendy's. She had been working hard on her interview skills. I asked her how it went. She lit up and said, I got the job. And I knew I would because I could see the micro expressions

of interest on her face during the interview. It absolutely made my year trouble maker, Kate. This email has made our year. That is phenomenal. We love it. And hello to your students. We wish them all the best as they enter the workforce. Uh, okay. This is the final one. And um,

I want to say I've ordered, um, for further discussion, um, this book and som...

because this story will develop. We've got a, we've got a trial coming up in the fall, a suit against Michael Jackson's estate by two men who say he groomed and abused them as children four years and years and years. Now, this is a piece. This trouble maker says,

β€œremember this name withheld. And it, it's a people magazine article from July 26, 2023. And it's”

ostensibly about the drama, uh, between Prince and the Princess state and Chinatowner when she was still with us, um, those of us who were, I was such a fan of Chinatowners, the line in the cobra is one of the best solo debut albums ever made ever. God, there was nobody like her, not what a complete original. Anyway, Chinatown covered Princess Nothing compares to you, which Chinatown turned into a blockbuster. It's one of those rare moments where a cover version not only artistically

supersedes the original, but just lands in the culture in a different way for whatever reason. There are two others that I would say fit that bill. One would be Whitney Houston's cover

of Dolly Parton's, um, oh my God, the song from the bodyguard, I will always love you.

The other cowboy junkies cover of, uh, sweet Jane, better than velvet underground. Okay, so now, the, the salient point because I have her memoir right now on top of my pile and I'm, I'm going to read it in her memoir, Remembrance, O'Connor details in the evening that she spent with Prince and I got the memoir because so many of you troublemakers emailed me and talked about this, uh, in the comments on the YouTube channel. O'Connor details in the evening

that the two spent together where she described Prince trying to have a quote pillow fight with pillow stuffed with items designed to hurt. Uh, I'm going to read this very closely and report back to you, but, you know, a fortunate Prince was, um, something of a hero and, you know,

β€œI think this happened at Paisley Park, um, and what really, oh, she says here,”

when I was recording the audio for the book, the thing that messed me up was the Prince chapter. I had to go to bed for a couple of days because I don't think that I emotionally engaged with it at the time. Wow. Wow. She could then go on to say that his death despite what happens that night where he was trying to physically hurt her. I believe he did chase her out of the house and around

car. I think she was, I think she basically ran to get out of there. You know, it's like very

full spectrum adjacent, uh, despite her strange encounter with the icon, O'Connor says his death affected her deeply, even sharing that she quote felt terribly sorry and sad for him. I saw when he died O'Connor said, I just felt terribly sorry and sad for him, of the loneliness of his death. The price you pay for being so successful, not everyone. It really does depend, but

β€œI think Prince had many demons, many. The price you pay for being so successful is an awful”

aching loneliness. And I think he was terribly lonely, terribly vulnerable. The loneliness of

fame, I think, was ultimately his undoing. And this is the dark side of the moon where the nerve

is, we are explorers here. This is the real truth of it. You're not going to see it on the access Hollywood. See entertainment tonight. You're not going to read about it on people or most friendly podcasts, you know, where stars are talking to other stars. This is the real stuff. So, keep your feedback coming. Email me at [email protected] or DM me on instagram at worrying. Call a handwriter or at the nerve show. Send in your questions for Meg Josephson on

Friday's show. And there's still a little bit of time to enter for Rob's assigned copy of Rob's book. Give us the greatest celebrity scandal of all time. It could be anything from Brad and Angie all the way back to Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Whoever it is, whatever float your floats your boat and tell us why you think it deserves to be considered the number one scandal. And I'm going to tell you trouble makers. There are a few. I'm writing them down that if yet to cross my desk and

we're going to have such a fun segment talking about all these like celebrity scandals and how

They landed and why they stick with us.

at night. We are going to be back on Friday with a full nerve and a mini on Saturday. If you haven't

β€œalready, please check out our sub-stack. That is our weekly email full of bonus and exclusive”

content over at the nerve show.com. That's the mothership. Go to the nerve show.com and you will

you'll see a prompt. Just enter your email address. That's it. Every Friday, end of the last full

β€œnerve of the week. In comes an email full of lots of just more unhinged crazy stuff. Plus nerve”

merch. Go grab something for yourself or a fellow troublemaker/[email protected]. We will see you back

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