Gwyneth Paltrow’s Questionable Choices, Fallout with Madonna, and Fame Obsession w/ Amy Odell

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Amy is also host of the back row podcast, and she has the back row sub-stack welcome Amy to the nerve. - Thank you so much for having me. - So we've really, we're excited to talk to you because you really are the foremost expert

on all things, Gwyneth. And I wonder what you make of this latest controversy. You know, this ad that she's done for this luxury real estate condominium development in Israel seems to have really struck a nerve with people no matter

what side of this conflict they're on. There seems to be something so essentially tone deaf in a way that sort of goes beyond the Gwyneth brand of like, she kind of leans into that, right? I'm a leadist, I'm tone deaf.

It's kind of why you pay attention to me. Like you kind of love to hate me. Some of you love to love me. This is feeling different. What do you make of it?

“How do you think she and her team are going to try to navigate it?”

And is it one of those controversies that is harder to come back from than any other that she's found herself embroiled in before? - I have to say with all of the controversies that I researched to write Gwyneth,

she bounced back from every single one.

There's always a brand lining up to pay her to be a face.

And I honestly think that while the backlash to this does feel acute, I think she's gonna bounce back from it, you know, think back to Goop in the 2010s, Marine. Do you remember the Jade Egg?

- Do you remember the Jade Yoni Egg? So this was a small egg. Now she was selling it on Goop for like what? 68 bucks, 78 bucks. - 60, yeah, I think recently it was 66,

it's around 60 bucks. - And she told her adherence to insert the Jade Egg into your vagina because it would strengthen muscles and it had all of these health benefits.

“She later I believe was sued by the state of California, right?”

For making fraudulent health claims. - Yes, because you can't make a drug claims about a product and they were essentially making drug claims, not only about that, but some other products. And they had to go back and clean a lot of that up

in the 2010s so that they complied with regulations basically.

- Yeah, yeah, but with this Amy, so I was thinking back because Gwyneth has been embroiled in a lot of controversy, most of which I believe is auto-generated. Like she likes being controversial.

She loves being the topic of conversation, but with something that has so deeply divided, like people feel extremely strongly about this issue. And to me, I think, I know that she is half Jewish on her father's side and is very proud of being Jewish,

but whatever you do think of this conflict, there is a war zone next door. There are people suffering next door. And, you know, I just saw like a day or two after this thing blew up paparazzi photos,

“and we know they're staged because that's how this stuff works”

of her lounging around in a white bikini on the water in Sardinia. And that to me is the typical Gwyneth response. Fuck you. - Yeah, well, there was also fresh reporting

in the New York post, I wanna say yesterday, that a friend told them that Gwyneth is used to generating controversy, but this took her by surprise. I do believe that.

Yeah, I do believe that. So, you know, just looking at the fact that one of her friends spoke to the New York post, that probably was approved by her, you know? - That's a bad idea. - That's a bad idea.

- So, she's telling a friend, you know, go ahead and talk to Sarah Nathan at the New York post, Sarah Nathan does a great job. And, you know, saying that she was really caught off guard. Like, oh, she didn't know, you know?

Like, maybe she knew then she wouldn't have done it. That's kind of she knew that there was a war going on. - And she knew that, yeah. If she knew that the backlash would be what it was. But I will say, even though she leans in a controversy,

I think the one time she really successfully planted it

“was with the vagina candle, remember that?”

This smells like my vagina works. So, she had that because she thought it was really funny according to my sources. And it did go viral. And I think people were kind of, you know,

how-haw about that. But the Jade Egg controversy, the vaginal seaming controversy, like most of those backlashes caught goop off guard. And they leaned into it and they monetized them, because what would happen is they would go viral.

People would flood the site. And then they would stick around and maybe buy a sweater or a face cream. - But Amy, this also gets to something

that is never discussed in the media.

And I understand why because these outlets want access to Gwyneth. - Yeah. - Goop has never, ever turned a profit. And to me, if I am the founder and CEO of a company like this,

and I'm doing all these stunts to try to get controversy and be in the conversation and move merch and all of that. And it's like 15 years in and I've yet to turn a profit, I might start thinking I should try another way. - Yeah.

Well, she has always done endorsements and not just for her own products. And this came up in my interviews. I interviewed more than 220 people to write the book. And they pointed out, you know,

she was always endorsing something. And we would kind of laugh about it because it wasn't something that she would use. Like, two's jewelry, which is a more affordable jewelry line of French brands. So she would endorse things like that.

Like, she's not ever going to actually wear it. But she would endorse it. - Right. So this was back probably when before social media and before streaming sort of competed

with theatrical films, she was an Oscar winning actress and typically what they do is they will do brand deals outside of the United States where they would probably not be known unless you travel to said places.

But what I want to ask you about and, you know, as the author of the biography, I think you'll have great insight. I have it on very, very well-sourced information that Gwyneth, despite having been born into money, despite having earned her own millions,

despite having been married to Cole plays Chris Martin, who has tons of money of his own,

that it is never enough money for her.

That she can never have enough money, have enough endorsements if you throw a big enough paycheck at her, she will do it. What is that about, do you think? - Well, probably, and this is really my own opinion,

- Of going away.

“And I had one source who worked closely with her”

for a long time to tell me, you know,

Gwyneth has always in the news.

That's part of the reason I wrote a biography about her. That's part of the reason why she was worthy of that type of journalistic effort. How is this woman always in the news? And my source told me, you know,

she seemed to sort of feel like, well, who am I if I'm not in the news? - Really? - She, yes, like that's kind of how she seemed to feel, like her identity is just so wrapped up

in being in the famous, being famous, which is kind of understandable, right? When she became famous around the time she was 20 years old. - But she actively sought that out. She had, she wanted it.

- She wanted it. - Right, it was when she was 12 in her godfather Steven Spielberg's film Hook.

- Yeah, she was a teenager, yeah, she was quite young.

Yeah, that was something, something that she did.

“I think around the time she finished up at Spence.”

- So since I got from your book, you know, when you wrote about her early years, which was very interesting was that this was a person who was like, school's fine, this, whatever, I'm going to go out into the world

and I'm gonna be famous, I'm special. The rules don't apply to me. And this is a very interesting thing because I want to show this clip from the today show. You know, she recently said she stepped back

from acting deliberately to be a mom. And I have a thought about this. We'll take a look and then we'll take it on the back end. It's been a few years since I interviewed you, but I remember asking you about acting

and you didn't say I'm not gonna act anymore, but it was like on the back burner. - Yeah, now it is back on the front burner. - A little bit. - Yeah, so you were Marty Supreme Oscar-nominated role.

- What drew you back in? - You know, it was very good timing for me. My, I put acting on the back burner largely because I was a single mom and I was raising, you know, two kids and a lot of times doing a film

can take you away from home for months, weeks, and months at a time. And, you know, hours are not like that friendly for taking someone to school or picking them up. So I kind of put it on the back burner

and I was focusing on my business. And then everybody abandoned me and went to college. - I know you're an empty nester now. - Yeah, okay. - That's pretty old. - That's not bad.

- So the point I think, you know, when I, I looked at that and I heard that, you know, she didn't stop working. She stopped acting in order to create group and try to turn it into a multi-level brand

that was global and would make her wealthy beyond her wildest dreams. And that is as, that is more time consuming than doing a movie for three months. So what do you make of that? Like, it sort of folds into,

I think what you were just saying, which is like, she has, there's no way somebody like her would go away, ever. She's got to be in the college. If she's not famous, it's a problem for her.

- Yeah, I think that's true. So what people told me about her step-back from acting and if you go back, it's so funny to read her quotes about this because she's like, I couldn't stand it.

I will never, ever, ever go back to it.

And now, obviously, she's back to it. She never really left though because she was doing all those marble movies and she couldn't even remember which one she was in.

“She said, do you remember that, that other viral movie?”

- I remember that, but I don't know that I believe her that she couldn't remember them. She remembers that paycheck. She remembers those movies. There was one thing she was doing some bit

with Robert Downey Jr. and he was saying, remember so and so was in that movie and she's like, no. And he was like, you had scenes with him. And she's like, no.

And I feel like she's trying to just be, I'm out of touch elitist Gwyneth, who doesn't even remember my scene partner in a blockbuster film. - Yeah, so the thing with movies though is that you're quite often traveling.

So she didn't want to have to go to Poland for three months and film a movie and she figured if she's going to an office every day, then that's more predictable. I guess for your day to day versus filming a movie, but she also, you know, she talked about heating acting

and going back to her financial motivations. So I think she's an interesting mix of her mother and her father. Her father was Bruce Paltreau, who was a very successful producer of St. Elsewhere, opened a lot of doors for her

as did Blife Dan or her mother, who's a really successful acclaimed actress, really a stage theater actress, which is very, very difficult to do well, right? Really different from movies. And Gwyneth kind of started out her career more on a Blife

track, she was doing independent movies, small movies, she was working for Mira Max, and my source is told me

and that at some point she really wanted to make a lot of money

and then we saw her pivot to do Marvel. And she did make a lot of money from that. - You know, you're so right, you write about this in the book that Bruce Paltreau was obsessed with money. That's he really motivated for money.

He came from like Queens, New York, right?

“Like he came from like, oh, I think they were really”

comfortable. - I know she has called him work in class, but I don't think-- - In her mind, that's working class. - Yeah.

- I wouldn't say that, because they had a, I think a living nanny, and he had a photo of himself with his living nanny in his office. - Okay, okay, so that's the other thing though. She says like I had to be there for like the school runs

and blah, we're gonna show one of the school runs. The, again, she bounced back from this to the Vespa. This thing went viral, she was picking up Apple from school in L.A. And she pulls out in front of a school bus

that has begun to move and she's just completely oblivious. But, you know, she says that stuff and she's not unique to most famous people who do it, but like the idea that she doesn't have an army of assistance and nannies and maids and chefs

to do all the heavy lifting, you know, is, again, it sort of, it folds into that, like kind of, like she's completely out of touch.

“And she, I think the issue with Gwyneth,”

and I think this is why Meghan Markle's having a big problem, because I think she's trying to model herself on this, with Gwyneth at least that kind of elitism is authentic. You're like, yeah, Gwyneth Powder really does think she's better than the rest of us.

She really believes it. We don't have to believe it, but she sure believes it. You know, at least there's something authentic about that. You know, she can authentically often be kind of an asshole, just my opinion, I know not yours.

But I just, so this is kind of, I can absolutely see why this would have taken her completely by surprise, because I do think she is that out of touch. - Yeah, I think that she, yes, I think your point about Meghan Markle is a good one,

why has that business not worked? Well, Gwyneth did for a while, though, I don't think it's working anymore, but I think that I hate to use this word because it's so right and overuse,

but it's not authentic when it comes from Meghan. But when you see Gwyneth and, I don't know, Bernello Kuchennelly white pantsuit in her Montesito garden, picking lavender or whatever, like that's her.

Because she's all she's never known anything else.

And I talk about this in the book, her upbringing. You know, she grew up in Los Angeles and Santa Monica at a big house, and then they moved to New York into a house in Manhattan. She goes to Spends, she's surrounded by very, very wealthy people

who have Picasso's on their walls. You know, this is her Millieu, her godfather is Steven Spielberg. She never knew anything else, but that. It's not, it's just not normal.

“- You know, that point you just made, I think,”

I think that's part of it, the sense that no amount of money will ever be enough. She did come from a lot of money, and she had a very privileged upbringing, but she was going to school with children

who were Titans of industry, who had Picasso's on their walls, and she did not. And that's probably like where she began to think, oh, you know, I need to kind of level up. (upbeat music)

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to get a wardrobe for sliding doors.

“I believe, which by the way, just in the side,”

I remember going to a media screening of that and Kira Sedgewick and Kevin Bacon were there as well, and they walked out 15 minutes in. Which I didn't understand, 'cause I liked sliding doors. I thought it was a really cute movie.

I enjoyed watching it. I enjoyed watching it. It's great. It's a fun, rainy day after new movie. But you said that Carolyn Busset, who was there at the time,

was tasked with helping select, you know, style Gwyneth and she did not like Gwyneth at all. Can you talk a little bit about that? - Yeah, so Gwyneth was a Calvin girl and Calvin Klein really liked her,

because she's always had a minimalist style.

And she was very, very skinny. So Calvin Klein really liked her. And she would go through the office all the time, either to pick out clothes for her own personal use or for public appearance, for sliding doors.

They had low budgets and they needed clothes and they went there and they hooked her up. - They gave them. - Yeah, yeah, they gave the clothes. It says in the credits of the movie,

Wardrobe provided by Calvin Klein. And actually the clothes still hold up today. But Carolyn Busset, of course, worked her way up at Calvin. And one of her early jobs there was doing the IP dressing. And then she, of course, worked in publicity.

But she would encounter Gwyneth in that capacity. And she just was annoyed by her. And sources who were close to her told me, she would see pictures of Gwyneth in the newspapers

and she always had smart remarks about her.

She thought she was-- - She has clicked. - Oh, I wonder if there was any kind of competition there. They were similar creatures. I remember reading back in fashion magazines that Gwyneth was actively modeling herself on Carolyn Busset.

And I remember reading this rumor. I don't know if you've ever heard it. That Gwyneth was avidly trying to pursue getting hooked up with JFK Jr. and he wanted nothing to do with her.

- That could be, I don't know. That could be. Do you know-- - Do you have sources on that? I don't have sources on that. It's just one of those things that's in the ether.

And when I-- - Everybody knows.

“- A lot of people probably said that tracks, right?”

Like you remember between after Brad Pitt, she dated several guys very briefly. The Crown Prince of Spain, who's going to become the future king, Chris Hines, who was related to John Kerry and is the heir to the Hines catch up fortune.

Like these big guns, and it makes sense. A girl like that from the Upper East Side of New York would be like, that's my level. JFK Jr. - Yeah, I think that's a good insight.

And I will say people told me she always felt really--

I guess sort of-- I guess bad is the word that she didn't go to college. She had no interest because she wanted to be an actress, but it really bothered her. It came to bother her quite a bit that she didn't go to college.

And I have wondered, you know, we just saw Apple graduate. And Apple, I think, has lots of opportunities. We're seeing her step out and be the face of Chloe. She's got a movie role coming up. And I wondered if Gwyneth really made sure

that she graduated because Gwyneth didn't and she regretted it. That's interesting, you know, when I see in her interviews of her especially since she launched Goop,

“and she likes to use a lot of words that I think she thinks”

people in the cease we use, you know? Like the people at Harvard Business School use. I always see that as a sign of that vulnerable part of her, where she's like, I need to prove that I'm smart, even though I didn't go to college.

- Wait, can I-- - I was sorry, but can I say one word that came up over and over again in my reading? - Yeah, polkeritude. She loves that a lot.

- Polkeritude. - Yeah, so that's not a normal word that you say, right? No, in fact, page six owned that word for a while. I feel that's a word that's better in print than in actual conversation.

- Right. - We're seeing that in its questionable 'cause as a writer, you know, you like right how you talk. - Yeah. - But polkeritude, she would say that over and over again, I'm like, my God, this is odd.

It's odd, it's very, very, very odd. I wanted to ask you a couple of other things about stuff that has sort of been forgotten by the culture, but one of the sort of most abiding rumors, slash scandals of modern Hollywood,

so we'll say '90s Hollywood, was the rumor that Gwyneth Paltrow who had been dating Ben Affleck. Well, this may be right before Ben. No, I think she was dating Ben. She was, the friended by Winona Ryder,

maybe came very good friends, or Gwyneth befriended Winona after the Johnny breakup. I have it backwards. Winona had been devastated by Johnny.

Winona says to Gwyneth, let's be friends. I know what this is like,

“going through extreme heartache in the public eye.”

Flash forward to Gwyneth allegedly reportedly sees the script for Shakespeare on Love on Winona's coffee table, swipes it, the rest is history, she wins the Oscar

that friendship has never recovered.

What can you tell us about that? Okay, so that is true. What? She did, okay, but there's more contacts and more detail. Oh, so I'm into it though,

but that's so good. You're the first person I've ever heard who just said, that is true. Okay, so he has what happened. So after she broke up with Brad Pitt,

they were living together. She moved in with Winona. Which I thought was a bit odd. I remember asking people, well, why? Like Shirley, they could have their own places,

but she's staying with Winona and Winona was in the shower and the script for the film was on the coffee table and Gwyneth picks it up and reads it and then she ends up in the movie. Another story I was told from Miramak sources,

multiple Miramak sources is that they wanted Gwyneth in the movie from the beginning. And the director of the movie, John Madden, told me this himself. He wanted Gwyneth, he thought she would be perfect.

She had done Emma also with Miramak's 1996 and she didn't want to do another period movie. So she says no. And then she bumps into a producer, not John Madden, but a producer on the street.

And a Miramak's producer and he says, "Quinneth, why are you doing this movie? This is a perfect part for you.

“You have to do it, the script is so good."”

So then she goes off and she comes back and she says that she'll do it. So maybe what happened was through her people, she said, "No, who knows if she even read it?" Then she sees the script on Winnone's coffee table,

picks it up, reads it and decides to do the movie. However, I'll also add it, I know what's Hollywood and you know, origin stories and Hollywood are where they are. I talked to a lot of people from Miramak's

who said they never considered Winnone.

So if she had the script, it was never clear to me that she was really a top contender for the part. - It still doesn't excuse swiping that script and going behind Winnone's back regardless. Winnone had the script, she was considering it.

She was a big star, back then, a really big star. That is an active betrayal to be sure. And so my last question for you, regarding another famous friendship breakup because Winneth loved, loved, loved, loved

to brag about this friendship.

“And when it was summertime in the Hamptons,”

Beyonce and Jay-Z have a place in East Hampton. Winneth has a place in Amaganset. They would be over at Winneth's quite a bit with Blue Ivy, Beyonce, Beyonce, Beyonce, and then that friendship vaporizes what happened to Amy.

- So here's what I know about that.

I know more about Madonna, but with Beyonce, my impression was that the connection was Chris Martin. He was friends or is friends with Jay-Z. And they would come over, yes, and they Hamptons to their house, and Jay-Z with sometimes come over,

and like leave his nephew there or something like that. This is according to my point of sources. Beyonce did go to her 40th birthday party. This was sort of a big tablet story at the time. By Gwyneth's friends told me,

I guess she has kind of distinct spheres of friends. So she has her friends from Spence, who she's known basically her whole entire life, 'cause she started at space in 7th grade. And then she has these Hollywood friends or Madonna,

or Beyonce, who didn't really mix with the other friends. So Beyonce did go to the birthday party, but it wasn't clear to me that she was really around. - When we're inaugurated, we've been doing this for a circle. - Yeah, or if they were close, that was really separate

from her day-to-day. - So like a Hollywood friendship? - Where she's bragging about it in the press. And I call Beyonce, and she gives me advice on like performing at the Oscars or whatever,

but it wasn't like a really tight friendship of any real substance, which I got. - Yeah, that's not what I got. I mean, maybe she kept it really, really private. And it was, but she wasn't really talking about it

with her friends, her real friends. Okay, so Madonna, you mentioned that while we have you, you know, I read your, what you reported out as the cause of the breakup, and I definitely want you to tell the troublemakers,

but what I had always, so there were two rumors that were going around regarding the dissolution of the Beyonce friendship and the Madonna friendship. And it was in both cases that when it either was interested, in Jay-Z, interested in Madonna's then husband,

Guy, Richie, the director, and/or it had gone further with either of those men.

- I did not get that. - What did you get?

“- So with Madonna, they were really, really close.”

They would like to share each other's clothes, clothes.

The dissolution of that. And I guess Madonna called her up because there were paparazzi on a trip. She took with Brad Pitt to say parts to remember this. - Yeah, they told her about them nude outside their villa room,

where they were singin' say parts. And I guess Madonna reached out and wanted to help Gwyneth through that as a very famous woman. And they become friends and sharing clothes, clothes.

And the friendship dissolved when Gwyneth was married to Chris Martin, they all, they went on a trip. And it was not clear to me if they were supposed to see Madonna there, or Madonna just kind of showed up. But they ended up at a big group dinner

with her at a big long table. And Gwyneth and Chris Martin did not like how Madonna was talking to the people around her. They felt like she was being raiding stuff.

“Like her daughter, Lordess, I believe, was there.”

And she was being mean. They felt in a way that made them very uncomfortable. - Did you get any details on how it was Madonna was talking to her? Was she being condescending? Was she being abrupt?

Was she being overly a disciplinarian? Was she embarrassing, what was she doing? - I didn't get that level of detail, because memories are, this happened a while ago, maybe like 20 years ago.

But they were very uncomfortable. And they, Chris Martin was like, I can't be around this woman anymore. - Wow. The one thing I will say, I've heard time and again,

and I love hearing this stuff, is that Chris Martin is really a really nice, decent guy. - Yeah, I think that's true. I mean, he was very, he's a musical genius.

He's always thinking about music,

always writing music in his head. And that may have had something to do with, I mean, her friends told me that like, their connection, it never really seemed that that type. Like it always seemed a little bit off,

and she even came out and said that. And the thing that drew them together was, she met him right after her father died, which was tragic and sudden and terrible. And he was there to help her pick up the pieces

and they developed a bond out of that, but it wasn't a lasting bond. And it's also really hard to be married to a touring musician like that.

“I mean, Cole plays one of the most successful bands ever, right?”

So to be married to someone who's always on a world

to not around a whole lot, who's mind is always

kind of somewhere else, who's on this crazy schedule. It's hard. - It is hard, it is hard, Amy. Thank you so much for coming on the nerve, addition about Gwyneth, and bringing your reportage

and insights, we have so enjoyed speaking with you. - Thank you for having me. - Thanks again to Amy Odell for that super fun conversation coming up, trouble maker feedback we will see you in a minute.

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“There are misdemeanors, there are felonies.”

This, I would, what I consider this a misdemeanor, or felony, I don't know, but I will say Mariska Hargitay, despite her friendship with Taylor Swift, again, has zoomed upwards in the nerve's estimation.

She is going to correct an actress, I find really insufferable on her mispronunciation of a major American city that has only one pronunciation. Here we go. I would come back to Los Angeles

that you had gone through the beginning of the storage unit. Try not to laugh, because you just said Los Angeles. Okay, we had this argument. And I'm just-- - It says Los Angeles.

Okay, but, what do you call it? Los fellas.

- Yes, but we're not talking about Los Angeles.

- Los Angeles. - You don't say Los Angeles. And let's say Los Angeles. - Los Angeles. - You don't.

And if I had like a jury here, everyone will vote for me. - Of course, the internet reacted. - Mostly agreeing that Jamie, and the card is technically right.

- Well, no one says it. - Here's the problem with Jamie's argument. - Yeah. - Our argument. - She's saying Los, which is correct,

and it's Spanish, Angela's. - You're right. - It should either be Los Angeles, or Los Angeles, or Los Angeles. - It's like, "Judges go."

- Oh, thanks, Willie, for that helpful. - Oh, Los Angeles. - Or Los Angeles. - Or Los Angeles. - Okay, we can stop it right there.

This is the amenity of Morning Show Television, but the real heroine of this story is Mariska Hargite, who said I got to stop you right there, Sister. She could have let that slide, you know,

I don't know if everybody listening would have caught Jamie Lee Curtis's insufferable affectation, Los Angeles. You know, I love that she stopped her, and she was like, "Listen, you're a mispronouncing this.

It's Los Angeles." And Jamie Lee tried to go, "Well, what about this and what about this?" And Mariska, Mariska, excuse me, said, "No, no, there is one right way

and only one right way to pronounce this." She was in her best prosecutorial.

“Hi, Dungeon, for someone, am I saying that even right?”

I don't know, but you know what I'm saying? Like, she plays a cop on TV, and she easily right, moves right into the role of prosecutor, judge and jury. Love it, dear, Marine.

Unfortunately, and oh my God, my sympathies, my condolences, we should send you a funeral arrangement. My friend was subjected to SJP's commencement speech at her daughter's graduation from Northwestern. I asked her for her thoughts, and she said,

it was a painful 20-plus minutes. She said her daughter and her friends were disappointed that they didn't have a relevant or interesting speaker. See, these kids want somebody who's gonna set them on fire, just like Ryan Reynolds would literally, you know what I'm saying.

Marine, please refer to me as trouble maker D from Morris Plains. You got it, trouble maker D. My wife and I just listened to your breakdown of Sarah Jessica Parker's commencement speech.

I am retiring after 27 years as a public school teacher, congratulations, and I was honored to be asked to give the commencement speech at my current schools upcoming high school graduation question. Do I do it?

I've always done and speak down to Earth

and give our kids great sound advice or do I SJP it and basically talk about myself at last we meet and give imaginary guidance, laugh out loud, you know what to do, trouble maker D. Marine, oh, please talk about this from trouble maker L

because the horror and this trouble maker attached a page six item reporting that Jennifer Lopez suffered dire, a dire health crisis after working quote 98 days in a row, I cannot, I will not insult those of us out there who I can't even include myself in this

because I am coming to you right now from a very nice air condition studio. I have a nice glass of water at my side. I want for nothing.

“Jennifer Lopez is spoiled beyond, okay, go dig coal, okay?”

Be a nurse who has to get to work no matter what transit emergencies or life emergencies she faces, you know, be a real fucking person. Show some fucking respect Jennifer Lopez. Show some fucking respect

'cause we pay your, we sign your paychecks, you know what I mean? This is why her rom comps keep failing.

We took our grandson to the Kennedy Space Center

and guess what we saw, this trouble maker, trouble maker Debbie attached, it's probably a replica of the blue origin capsule. My only question trouble maker Debbie. Was there a replica of Galen there?

Have you been, have you been with God? What I wouldn't give, you know,

“for like someone to graffiti, have you been on that thing?”

I mean, you know, it's not worth the trouble. But you know what I'm saying, dear Marine. Now, this trouble maker attached photos to compare and contrast and I think you're on just something. I believe this is, excuse me, trouble maker Christina.

I believe that Meghan Markle's strange double denim headless selfie was copied from the clothing brand, the great, I love the great. I think they are such a great brand. I love their stuff.

I just bought a few things at one of my favorite places on Long Island. Please see attached. And I, I grew with you, trouble maker Christina. You know why?

Because Meghan doesn't have an original fucking thought rattling around that head of hers, dear Marine and Marlene at the construction of the wood shed has been a long time coming. We agree.

“Honestly, we need more celebrities who deserve”

to be taken to the wood shed for their behavior. We agree. Now, we've got interesting intel on Jim Curtis, the celebrity hypnotist slash life coach. He of the Look for Yellow Butterflies,

Pablo, who's imminent marriage to Jennifer Aniston may be on hold and we would like to think that the nerve has had a little something to do with this. If somebody, anybody is listening who knows Jennifer, shoot them this little bit of intel from trouble maker M.

I have worked with Jim Curtis from our time at everyday health. I was there for about a year. Jim joined two months before I left, given my experience with him, his transition into the hypnosis and self-help space

is not shocking. Back then, he was the classic charmer who managed to win over leadership with his connections in web advertising, but he rarely seemed to be around

and his actual contributions were hard to spot.

I'll never, I'm not laughing at this injury

because you guys, you know how I feel about dogs. I think this is a lie.

“I'll never forget when he called out of work”

because Jim said his bulldog fell off the couch and broke its leg. I don't think that's very far to fall. Teddy's fallen off the couch. Teddy, when he gets like his nerve up,

like if he needs to get to me and I've got him perched on a bed that might be higher than the average bed, like maybe four feet high, that's like jumping off the entire state building to Teddy and he'll do it and Teddy's legs are like this big.

I mean, you've seen it. It's why we're still hunting for Stedman. Anyway, Jim Curtis is the dog, the dog didn't eat his homework. The dog broke his leg jumping off the couch.

It was such a bizarre thing this troublemaker writes to announce to the staff, it's interesting, though, perhaps not surprising, that now Jim is grifting her words, not mine, but I concur, I co-sign my opinion as well, sister,

that Jim is now grifting in the mental health space instead of the physical health space. He definitely fits the mold of the strong, silent, and charming type. He has a knack for making everyone in a room feel good,

but in my experience, that charm usually masks, a distinct lack of substance. I could not agree with you more. Trouble-maker M, thank you for your service and keep the feedback coming.

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