Russell Brand's Depraved Behavior, Meghan and Harry's Royal Disrespect, & Anna Wintour's Irrelevance

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Poms, pearls, and prosecutions, welcome to the nerve! Welcome to your Friday edition of the nerve! I am your host, Maureen Callan. We have so much to get to today and number one on our agenda. It's a guy I have been waiting to get to.

I have heard you guys in the emails, the comments section. We were building our case, Russell Brandt. It is time for the nerve to give Russell Brandt our style of justice. He's been out in America, he's got a new book, a new book. It's called How to Become a Christian in seven days.

As someone who spent 12 years in Catholic school, let me just say, in my experience, people who go hard into Christianity, and are the loudest about it about what a Christian they am and how saved they are. They're the biggest phony's of all. The biggest phony's of all.

It's like anything.

“It's like, it's like when Bill from Brooklyn was saying the other day”

about how the greats in sport, like they never have to say it,

they just are. It's like a real Christian or anyone of faith, really, a well-meaning person. They don't have to say it, you see it in their actions. So already, my intent is way the fuck up, way the fuck up. Okay.

Russell, as we know, is out here trying to do some damage control, because he's been accused by multiple women, a rape of sexual assault in decent exposure. We're doing it. Can't wait.

After that, we're going to do an unusual B-block.

For the first time in a long time, we have such a packed show.

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at CowboyColostrum.com/Moreen. Russell Brandt. He is facing trial this fall in the United Kingdom. Facing criminal charges from six women

on charges as discussed at the top, including rape, sexual assault and indecent harassment

“during a period that ranges from 1999 to 2009.”

That is 10 years. Russell, by the way, says that he got sober in December of 2002. 60 minutes Australia two years ago.

This woman, her face remains in the shadows. She is going to tell her story, her little encounter with Russell and we're setting the table with this because it goes to,

I think, just my opinion,

what seems a pattern of behavior, entitlement, predation, she, again, as discussed, Australia native, living in Los Angeles, veteran of the TV industry.

She was working at, I believe it was BBC Studios there and Russell and his entourage showed up. But before anyone knew who was in the office, she says she was in the back

and at reception,

“everyone could hear someone just ringing a bell.”

Over and over and over and over and over and over and over just ringing this bell. Ring this bell. Ring this bell. She finally comes out. It's not even her job.

And she's like, stop. Please ringing the bell.

Who was ringing the bell?

Russell. Another producer comes out. Brings Russell and his entourage into their green room where they're going to be, you know, stationed until they record their interview.

She goes about her business. She finds her way into a bathroom room and gets who follows her in there. Here we go. And when I turned around,

there was a groin in front of me. What are you doing here? What are you doing, mate? And he goes, oh, you're a bit alright. You're a bit alright.

And I thought, oh, okay.

“And then he goes, I'm going to call you Betty.”

I'm going to call you Betty. No, but that's not my name. He said, I'm going to f**k you. And I went, uh, "No, you're not." And he goes, yeah, I am.

And I said, "No, you're not." And before you know it, his penis was on his hand. And he was pretty much serving it to me as he would additional as you'd serve someone

some food. Russell brand pulls his penis out in front of you. He presents it to you on his hand. What did he say to you? He just kept saying, I'm going to f**k you.

I'm going to f**k you. I thought, what is this man doing? Why would he be doing this to me? And then before you know it, there was a loud bang on the door.

They were calling them to come into the studio. And I thought, oh, my God, thank God. I've been spared this creep. I find this woman very credible. I don't know why anyone would make up such a story.

That loud banging on the door. I'm going to guess that Russell's entourage has done this many a time that they know that they've got a problem, that they've got a predator.

And it wasn't just it's time for you to sit for your interview. It's somebody go stop him before he really does something extremely grave. Okay, that alone, it's grave. Don't get me wrong.

But Russell was making it clear. He was going to do what he was going to do. Now, if you are among those fair enough, who might say, well, you know what? That's an accusation from a woman

who wouldn't even put her full face on the air. Russell, at during this interview, apparently it was a live interview, talked about when he just did in the bathroom.

Here we go. I sat back at my desk, and I had to think about what just happened and a text in the BBC person to say, I was just in the bathroom

and Russell brand shot the door. And he showed me his penis. And he said, yes, I know he's talking about it on air. Here is a clip from I believe this is

the BBC documentary. Four other women

Now,

we'll talk about Russell's issue with this

on the back end. I'm most interested in the content. Here we go. But the laughing stopped this week when extraordinary allegations

of predatory behavior were made by four women on Britain's channel four. He's grabbing at my underwear, pulling it to the side. I'm telling him to get off me,

and he won't get off. Like holding me up against the wall, pushing himself in me. He grabbed me, got me on the bed. I was fully closed,

and he was naked at this point, and he held me down, and he was just aggressively trying to, you know, (bleep) me.

I was like, oh my God, he raped me.

It's only since those accounts emerged

that Rachel realized that her own ordeal had been fodder for Russell Brand's radio audience. Now, Russell, his stated problem with that documentary is that they used actresses

to relay the actual accusers accounts of what he did to them. I don't think that's a great look either. I will say that,

“but I think if these are the accusations”

being leveled at you, your concerns should be larger than that, sir. Now, we're going to take a look at Russell refuting these claims. He has many incarnations this guy,

and when he got canceled, he kind of reinvented himself as somewhat of a shaman/yogi. Again, I think very telling, you know,

I think Russell in his mind would like to be a cult leader. He was also a very ardent yogi. I think for a time, and the yoga world is full of sexual abuse.

Full of it. That's another story for another time, another segment. But here's Russell, basically saying that,

you know, he thinks he's being targeted, perhaps. Why he thinks is unclear, but he may actually be the real victim here. Let's take a look. Russell Brands glory days a long gone.

In the last few years, he's turned his back on mainstream entertainment to become an alt-right conspiracy theorist and vaccine skeptic. Ahead of the women's allegations being aired,

Brands went on the offensive, denying them all, and telling his millions of followers on YouTube, he was the victim of the witch hunt. Now during that time of promiscuity,

the relationships I had were absolutely always consensual.

I was always transparent about that then, almost too transparent, and I'm being transparent about it now as well. And to see that transparency, we're trying to protect ourselves into something criminal,

that I absolutely deny, makes me question, is there another agenda reply?

“I just don't think Russell Brands is that important.”

I mean, he's just not important enough to try to take down in this way. You know, it doesn't make any sense, and we're going to get to the peer's interview in a moment,

in which the things that Russell has to say there, that complete and clear repudiation. Now one of the issues with Russell, and this is something he does, and I think he knows he does it.

He tends to speak very quickly, so that it's very difficult if he's having an interview, one on one to interrupt him or to say stop, wait, wait, wait. I need to check that fact with you.

I don't know about that. He uses a lot of like 50 cent words where like a 10 cent word will do. Do you know what I mean? I think he's very fluent in obfuscation

and distraction. I think he is,

“remember this guy he was a stand-up comic.”

You know, he knows how to control a room. Times exclusive. This is the UK Times. Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assault, and abuse. Published on September 16th,

2023 by Rosemund Erwin, Charlotte Wase and Paul Morgan Bentley. Now, I'm going to read a little bit from this piece. Just know if you are American or listening in another country, the libel laws in the UK are extremely stringent.

I write for the Daily Mail, which is a UK publication with an American arm. Loyering a piece, even an opinion column, through American lawyers is very different than

The bar is so high in the UK

“for what could be considered defamation.”

So I say this to you, so that you know that when a British publication or an outlet comes with a report like this, it is gone through the ringer. It has been legaled eight ways to Sunday.

I quote from this piece. The findings come from a joint investigation by the Sunday Times, the Times and Channel Four Dispatches, one woman alleges that Brand raped her

against a wall in his lost Angela's home. She was treated at a rape crisis center on the same day according to medical records. Note the absence of a word that could humiliate that claim, no reportedly, no allegedly,

no she claims she was, she's got the records. I continue. Text messages show that in the hours after leaving

his house, she told Brand that she had been

scared by him and felt taken advantage of adding, when a girl says no, it means no. Brand replied saying he was quote very sorry. Those, that exchange isn't,

it was memorialized in text messages. What are you sorry about Russell? If it was just, you know, an encounter that got a little sloppy, like what are you sorry about?

“I continue reading a second woman alleges”

that Brand assaulted her when he was 31 and she was 16 and still at school. She said he referred to her as quote, the child during an emotionally abusive and controlling relationship

that lasted for about three months and that Brand once, and I quote, forced his penis down her throat and quote, making her choke.

She says she tried to push him off and said she had to punch him in the stomach

to make him stop a third woman claims

that he sexually assaulted her while she worked with him in Los Angeles. And that he threatened to take legal action if she told anyone else about her allegation, the fourth described being sexually assaulted by Brand

and him being physically and emotionally abusive towards her. These are text messages between Russell and Nadia, a business woman, then in her 30s.

Russell, July 1, 2012 at 329 AM. I'm sorry, that was crazy and selfish. I hope you can forgive me. I know that you're a lovely person.

Nadia, same date, 1059 AM. You scared the shit out of me. You're right. I am a lovely person.

“And for you to take advantage of me like that”

is unacceptable. You have a problem. You need help. It's dangerous that you think you can get your own way all the time.

Do you know how scary you are when that glaze look comes over you? When a girl says no, it means no. This is an extract from what I just read above.

Nadia continues. Do I have to go and get myself tested? Last time you asked me, condom or no condom. When I say condom, that doesn't mean it's optional. You don't have the best reputation.

I think this is a mistake here. I prime myself. I think she means pride. PRID. I pride myself on being safe and trying to make the right decisions.

Obviously, this was a bad one. I'm so disappointed by bad one. I think she means she regrets. But her account is that he texted her to come over that night. She said, I'm tired.

I'm at home. I don't want to. Any badgerter. Any badgerter. And she went.

I think that was the regret. I can be wrong. My interpretation. Russell's text. I'm very sorry.

You don't need to get tested. I will make this up to you somehow with live. I think he means love. And kindness. Not my original idea.

Which was more sex. You've been lovely to me. And I'm embarrassed by my behavior. Sorry. X.

Clearly no response. Russell August 5th, 2012 at 146 AM. What a late hours this guy for someone who's allegedly sober. Will you ever forgive me? X.

Okay. Now on to Pierre's Morgan. And Pierre's also embedded. Russell made headlines for his earlier appearance. That week on Megan Kelly's show.

And Pierre showed a clip of that, which we will get to as well.

Russell was on Pierre's show for almost two hours.

And this was a very interesting choice by Pierre's because Russell began really blowing. You know, just kissing Pierre's ass. And like what a great guy is. And like any interrogation. The longer it went on, the harder it was.

My opinion for Russell to keep that mask fixed. Because Russell began to get very angry. Russell began to insult Pierre's personally, which is not really advisable when you're doing a media tour in the United States to try to crisis manage this shit. And convince people that you're just a friendly, cuddly guy who was out of his mind with sexual promiscuity. When you were at the height of your fame, you were taken advantage of your status.

“Pierre asks what I think is a very, very good question because Russell, again, he says, you know, for a long time he was out of his mind.”

He was a crack addict. He was a heroin addict. He's an addict, okay?

Pierre says to him, can you really trust your own memory?

When you say there's no way you ever, ever assaulted a woman. You ever went too far. A woman said to you, no, and you kept going. Is it possible that you might not remember? Here's Russell.

How can you be sure that your own memory is good? Is sound, is reliable, is truthful? Most people who slept with thousands of women and taken barrel loads of drugs and led this incredibly hedonistic lifestyle. I would think if I interviewed him and asked him to name even what year it was, would struggle to remember.

Can you be certain if you're honest that your memory is completely sound accurate? Do you remember half this stuff? Yes, I can be honest. It's irrelevant questions, isn't it? Of course it is.

Yes, I can be honest. And I am honest.

“And I think what's an important distinction is that I was a drug addict prior to becoming famous.”

So that was a very different rhythm and time. And I think the question is, it has it made you a more successful predator. And even then, I objected to the idea of predation as persecutory. But predation is simply an amplification of looking for something with intention.

Okay, first of all, that is not the definition of predation.

Russell, as I said, likes to use a lot of big words. That is not the definition of predation. Predation is being a predator. Okay, there's nothing about predation that's simply an amplification of looking around. For opportunity, not the same thing.

Notice also, Russell didn't answer that question. That was not the question, put to him. The question was, can you remember? Russell said, well, I can be honest. Not the same fucking thing.

Then he went on to distract. We have to remember. You can see him searching. You can see the eyes going. And like, what do I grasp on to here?

You know, at that time, I was at the height of my fame. Everything had a different rhythm, not the question. Are you a rapist or not?

“If you're not, I think all you say is, no!”

No! Now, peers includes the clip that really made headlines from his appearance on Meghan Kelly's show. Which went to what he says was a consensual relationship when he was 30. And this girl was 16 years old. Because Russell maintains in the United Kingdom 16 is the age of consent.

Peers Morgan did his homework and he reported back to Russell that in the United States. There are 30 states in which 16 is the age of consent. It still is disgusting. Like, I could drive. Anyway, here is Russell explaining his interpretation.

Now of what that was and meant. Here it is. The interesting thing I was listening to making your Meghan Kelly interviews today. It's blown up. We're both in New York and you know it's blown up in America today.

A lot of people commenting about this. Let's play the clip for those who haven't heard it. In Europe and in the United Kingdom where I'm from, the age of consent is 16. And I did sleep with a 16 year old when I was 30. But when I was 30, I was a very different person.

I was a lot younger and I was an immature 30 year old. Concentral sex actually with a variety of people.

Is there is when you're a famous man that has the ability to attract women that I had at that time?

I think involves exploitation. So this is my real problem with this. You ask any decent 30 year old man if they find a 16 year old girl sexually attractive. And they all say no, that's a child. That is a child. The other thing that I really, I don't like, is Russell using.

Well, it's the age of consent. So it's legal. It's totally legal.

“Most decent people I think interpret that law thusly.”

Age of consent laws are on the books so that a boy who is 17 or 18, a boy who is appear,

doesn't go to prison for having sex with a 16 year old.

It's not so that far, far older men, especially men with power, fame and money like Russell, can engage in sex with a girl who has maybe had her period for like three or four years. You know what I'm saying? Here's pears on that very same point with Russell, here we go. Suppose it's consent, peers.

Right. But the age of consent means in varying ways in different places. People have a understanding which probably isn't wholly accurate and reliable. The certain age, a person is able to make a consensual decision to smoke a cigarette or vote or have sex or gamble. And these things vary according to jurisdiction and type of law.

“And in the place where I was both emotionally, spiritually, angiographically, that was a legal thing to be doing.”

But not a morally sound thing to be doing.

You noticed what you really never hear Russell Branson.

I'm sorry. I fucked up. I never should have done that. It's all this distancing language. And he's always plugging in words where they're totally extraneous and necessarily unnecessary.

Excuse me, I'm so worked up morally and intellectually, geographically. Yeah, we get it, dude. We get it. You know, that's 16 year old. And one of those comprehensive investigative reports claimed that Russell would often send a driver to her high school to pick her up and shuttle her to his mansion for sex.

“Which is basically that's like saying, you know what you are to me.”

You're like an Instacart delivery. You're like an Amazon Prime Order. And she said that one day the driver looked at her in the rear view mirror and said, honey, listen, don't go in there. You don't need to go in there. Don't do this.

You know, her sense was that this guy had a daughter. And she was like, I wish I had listened. I wish I had listened. My recollection of that reporting. Now, Russell, as discussed, has become a big Bible thumper.

He's way into the Bible. He's found Jesus Christ. So, you know, there's nothing at all theatrical about this. I find this kind of thing the last refuge of the scoundrel. You know, who else was big on carrying a Bible into court every day when he was on trial.

Sean Combs. So, Russell's out, Hawking this book, how to become a Christian in seven days or less. You know, it's not like the 4,000 hour life span book or like, you know, seven habits of highly effective people. That's, that's a desecration to anybody who really is a serious Christian or in any way really serious about their faith and their religion. And, you know, it takes a lot longer.

I mean, could you become a Jew in seven days? No. I do think there needs to be better vetting in Christianity. I don't think we want you, Russell. I know, like, I'm, I'm agnostic. I don't practice anymore.

But you know what I'm saying? Like, I just think the bar needs to be higher. So, here he is. This is probably my favorite clip of the week because Pierce is going to ask Russell. If, if the Bible, he's got with him on set is the one that he's been bringing into court with him and Russell's like, yes. And, uh, Pierce, this, this question is, um, again, this may be a nerve award. This may be a nerve award. I got to give it to Pierce. Here we go.

Excuse me.

But your Bible. Yes, if you want to. Okay.

“That was not the one you took into court.”

Yeah, that very one. Okay.

What was your thinking of taking it into court?

And what you was seeing looking at some passages. What were the relevant passages for you? All right. Thank you for asking me. Thank you.

I did not. We're a little bit. Russell got very angry. Okay. We're going to start the clock now and how long it takes Russell to find the passage.

You might read these, you know, be chilled. So, as I lose the chill man, it's creepy. Scary guy when he loses the chill. He's a big guy. Imagine if you're a woman you're caught alone with him.

Just my opinion. Take talk, Russell. Tick, tapping, tapping.

Where's your Bible verse?

Dude, where is it? This is from Isaiah. Maybe you just forgot his readers in the car. Excuse me. [laughs]

[laughs] It's so important. It's so important to him.

“It's so important to him that he cannot find it.”

This is here. Here's just looking straight at the camera. The word that Russell is... Russell, I was looking at that day. It was...

Not there's a contraction. I can't actually find the verse that I had that day. But this is good enough. [laughs] That's good enough.

So, to pierce this first question that we aired,

the one that we aired first. Can you trust your memory? And Russell at the end of it is like... The verse I had that day. The verse I had that day that was so important to me.

You would think he would know it, just like, you know, the power... To paraphrase it. But he doesn't even fucking know he's on trial for his life. He's on trial for his life. Don't believe.

This guy's so full of shit. Just my opinion. Just my opinion. Coming up. Real talk about the fashion industry,

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That's promo code marine at takeline.com. [music] We are back now before we get into this segment. I meant to mention this in the Russell Brand segment. Here's, you know, says to him,

you slept with thousands of women. And I just have to note, men who sleep with thousands of women who are quote unquote womanizers. In my opinion, they do not love women.

They actually hate women. And they may be wrestling with something far deeper. You know, when Stacy Brown was on the other day talking to us about the Jackson family and how Joseph Jackson, the patriarch

and his sons were all womanizers. And so he found it hard to believe that the claims that Joe could be sexually abusing all of his children, the boys and the girls that that could possibly be true.

That actually tracked to me. It tracked completely. So the Kennedy's, so many of them are womanizers. I think they hate women. I really do.

You know, you know, where I'm out with that shit. Okay, anyway. Now onto the Met Gallo, which we are days away from, we're days away from over on the other side of town.

Here at Nerve Central, we're going to be doing our live stream. They're having a lot of trouble selling tickets. I call this the Met Gallo brought to us by Amazon Prime Whole Foods.

for Lauren Sanchez. Bezos, that great Volgarian.

“Even so Meghan Markle has not been invited.”

Again, this is all against the backdrop of the Devil Wears product, too. And the Met Gallo has completely lost any relevance. It's become a joke. This radar online report,

quote, a billionaire circus headline. Met Gallo, quote, quietly slashing costs as it struggles to sell out. A mid-back lash surrounding Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez has this involvement.

So, listen, once upon a time, you would not only, it wasn't enough that any design house, any advertiser had the $350,000 to spend to purchase a table.

You still had to get approved by Anna to even set foot in the door. Now, it's like they can't give these tables away. Reporting from radar, Volgarian controlled the conversation anymore.

And if Volgarian is an essential,

neither is the Met Gallo. This is true. Culturally, this is true. Anna Winter, her power is gone. When the original Devil Wears product came out,

Anna Winter was still so frightening, not just in the world of fashion and media, but Hollywood, that there were a number of actresses who were higher on the list than Anne Hathaway

to play the character of Andy, who turned it down because they didn't want to alienate Anna and risk not getting a cover of Vogue or invited to the right fashion shows

or to the Met Gallo when that was still a thing. Now, Anna is posing with Meryl Streep for Vogue. Territorially pissing all over it, by the way, because she's on like a special cover of Vogue with Meryl.

But there was one shot to me that said it all.

“I think Annie Leaveovitz photographed this.”

And again, it's like it's dinosaurs. You know, fashion is for the young. Like the young should be coming in and infusing it with their own generational statements and stamps.

And they're not. It's like American politics, you know? Like they got to wield these senators out

in like, you know, feet first.

They won't leave. We've had to mention senators who literally couldn't tell you what day it is. They're drooling. And they've got their staff voting for them

because they will not give up. And that's Anna Winter. That's Anna Winter. And Annie Leaveovitz, you know, it's just enough, but anyway, it's Annie in the bat.

It's I'm sorry. It's Anna in the back of like a limo with Meryl who's like clowning around by like spreading her suit-panted legs open. Like you can see at Sassi magazine,

which is going to come in a little bit later here. You know, I interned there. It was one of my earliest jobs out of college. But they used to call that camel toe. Like, oh my god.

That's that, that whatever pant you're wearing, it's not good because you can see camel toe. This is what the great Anna Winter has been reduced to. Back to the radar report.

You paid that fee for those tables at that bullshit because Anna mattered. Another insider said, of the gala and the style queen's waning influence her approval

could make careers overnight. That kind of power, it's fading fast. It's done. I am here to say it's done. And I would like to just have a moment

where we can revisit some of the most important

generationally significant and defining magazine covers ever ever. I wrote, I did a book years and years ago called Champaign Supernovas. And it's all about the fashion revolution of the 90s.

I told it in a triple biography

“of the people who I think changed fashion forever”

before technology came in and just like rendered fashion really lost as power after the 90s. I think for my money last great decade. It was Kate Moss, Mark Jacobs and Alexander McQueen

who really changed everything. This is Kate on the cover of the face. This is a very young Kate. She's a teenage girl here. She might be 14 or 15.

Now, this is the third summer of love cover of the face. And this cover broke all the rules. One of the main rules in magazine publishing is the subject on the cover

needs to be making eye contact with you the potential consumer.

You can't really see the eyes. It's a genuine smile. Notice Kate Moss does not have the social media, Kardashian, and eyes, reality TV, face of today

where everybody's got enormous chiclet veneers. Where every tooth is the same length and size. Kate said years and years later

that she was really glad she never

“quote unquote fixed her teeth as I'm sure she was”

pressured to. The images in black and white. And I pulled this quote from the stylist Melanie Ward, who has since died.

Melanie died last October of cancer. Way too young. I remember sitting with her. She sat with me and gave me a really long interview for champagne.

And she was so lovely. Such a cool woman. She was the stylist on that shoot. It was that that photograph also was taken by Karen Day.

A British photographer who changed. She never gets enough credit. She never gets enough credit. She too died.

August 27th, 2010 of brain cancer.

Her husband spoke to me at Great length for the book as well. So anyway, Melanie said, this was an interview she gave it back to the face of that

generationally defining shoot. She says, I collected up a mix of clothes that I liked. Some more minds, some more vintage customized, even some designer.

And I put them on Kate. Melanie said that she and Karen used to call Kate their little dress up doll. Which I thought was really cute.

Melanie continues. I also remember using Birkenstocks for that particular editorial. That was before high-fashion got their hands on Birks.

And then Melanie says she bought the Amazonian feather head dress that they photographed on Kate that she and Karen and Kate were all like a little family.

They spent a lot of time together

“as I also did with photographer David Sims.”

I recognized them as collaborators who like me liked to challenge themselves, push boundaries and didn't give up easily. There was no middle ground for any of us. The face cover of Kate Moss

wearing the crown. That's really cute. What Melanie says there. That's a crown. That's Jen X.

Saying it's our turn now. Get out of the way. It's our turn. Melanie continues. Kate wearing the crown embodies

a sevenle defining moment in fashion and the music scene. It's a 90s everything changed. There was a new democratic freedom to express yourself.

Be different and also be true to yourself. The images became iconic a personification of a youth quake. The so-called third summer of love with Kate as its muse.

I loved Kate from the moment I met her. She is so real. There is no artist or pretense. She is beautiful in every way.

Inspiring to dress and to photograph every photographer who has worked with Kate Moss says this. You can't take a bad photograph of her. She does not have a bad angle.

Melanie goes on. Kate has spirit and personality. A great sense of humor. Someone you want to spend time with on the workfront. She was very hard working.

Totally dedicated to working on the image with us. As much passion as us.

She always cared about the end result.

And you could see it. Kate Moss came up against the Amazonian supermodels of the 80s. The Cindy Crawford's, the Christy Tirlington's. She was like tiny.

She looked nothing like them. She wasn't perfect. And Jenx claimed her immediately as our own. Nirvana's never mind was released September 24th, 1991. Also changed everything.

And I'm including here, even though it's not what we would conditionally. Excuse me. Consider a quote unquote fashion magazine. Sassy magazine. The cover of Sassy magazine April 21st,

19, no wait. Sorry, April 1992 issue. Eight love grand with Kurt Cobain. And Courtney love on the cover.

“And this is important as well because Sassy was.”

It was the magazine for a certain segment. Of those of us young girls who grew up just that was our Bible. That was for the girl who did not see herself reflected in the pages of 17 magazine nor did she want to. And what's significant about that is not only what Kurt and

Courtney represented in terms of grunge and pushing the culture. And the way everyone looked. But they did Sassy magazine before they did any other magazine.

Not the enemy or melody maker in the UK.

They did Sassy magazine. And that set a lot. That was a statement. That was a generational statement. That was they were planting their flag.

They were saying we're over here with you guys. Anna win tours. First edition of Vogue as editor and chief November 1992. Model. Model.

“I think it may be a packerful that when the cover went to the printers the printers called the offices at Conday Nast and said he's there been a mistake because this doesn't look like a vote cover.”

I think maybe a packerful. None the less Anna was saying this is my magazine now. The mix of high and low, high and low, you can draw direct line from that cover, which is brilliant brilliant cover that cover to What Mary Kate and Ashley Olson are doing at the row. Direct line.

Liz Tilbaris, the genius editor and chief British Liz Tilbaris who was brought over to the United States to revive Harper's bizarre.

I will never forget this cover.

I was so excited to buy this magazine when it came out like we had all seen the images before it was on the new stand and I was like afraid it would sell out because you could tell it was so iconic. Her first issue of Harper's bizarre that's Linda Evangelista photographs by Patrick Dimarshalier are directed by Fabian Baron September 1992 Fabian Baron. He's of that same ilk two of those brits, Kate Moss, David Sims. Mario Serente came out of there, you know? It was a lingua franca.

It was a visual language that everybody was talking about. Liz Tilbaris, that cover, she was planting her flag. I'm about elegance.

“I'm about sophistication and being a grown-up.”

And this magazine has a point of view. It's completely minimalistic. The only cover line on that thing is the return of elegance. That's it. That's it.

It was groundbreaking. The graphic nature of it. Black and white. You only see one eye, you know? The A, like a jar in Linda's hand, her upturned palm.

It was fun. She was saying we're going to be a little bit off here. We're going to be a little bit sideways and it's going to be fun, but it's going to be cool and elegant. Which brings us to Chloe Mowl. The dud, the drip.

The World War II Eastern European Refugee. She's got all the glamour of someone coming off the train who hasn't bathed in a week. With her schmothas in her bat, you know? This is a desecration. This is a joke.

This is a joke.

“And I think Anna thought she was pulling a fast one by installing somebody so hapless.”

So uniquely unqualified that, you know, the overlords at Conday, which is big Anna to come back. And she's just killing it. She's killing it. Why, which I mean, she is murdering this thing. It is a crime scene.

Chloe Mowl's first cover of Vogue, her inaugural cover, which is just spring. Vogue, I think, publishes now four or five times a year. Not monthly. First of all, I asked younger members of Team Nerve. I'm like, do you recognize this person?

Do you know who Rosalia is? They were like, no. No. Coverline. Fashion gets fun.

I defy you to tell me what that means.

If you love fashion, fashion is always fun.

Even when it's outrageous or it's having a more serious, somber moment where it's reflecting something. In the economy or the culture or politics, fashion is fun. I mean, ask my bank account. You know, I have a shopping problem. Let's look at those other coverlines.

If we can just pull that up once again. It's, um, Gavin Newsom gloves off. Okay. Jonathan Anderson takes on an empire. Do you see what I mean?

The banality, the utter banality. And by the way, not every even, not like a casual vogue reader isn't going to know who Jonathan Anderson is. These coverlines. Rosalia, the coverline at light speed. I mean, just put them in the AI fucking blender.

Can you spit back at me?

You know what I'm going to do?

“I'm going to put those on my inaugural vogue cover.”

So I can announce to the culture and the industry, the fashion industry and the media. What it is I'm doing over here. My particular point of view. What it is I have to say. I'm a newer generation.

She's got nothing to say. And it's over. It's over. I'm so depressed. So depressed.

I will, however, still buy foreign fashion magazines. I'll buy a Paris Vogue. Vogue Italia. You know, Vogue Japan. You know, but it like America.

It's just, it's just, it's a crime scene.

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“Joining us now is the one and only lady Colin Campbell.”

Better known to all of us as the inimitable lady see. She's a royal biographer. A New York Times bestselling author. A palace insider.

And she has never been afraid to say exactly what she thinks when it comes to the

Sussexes, which makes her as nervous as it gets. She actually wrote the literal book. If you haven't availed yourself. Do so. Meghan and Harry.

The real story by Lady Colin Campbell. Welcome back to the nerve lady see. Hello, Magda.

“Thank you for that very kind introduction.”

And incidentally you're looking fabulous. Check out the pearls and everything. You know, lady see. I was just about to compliment you.

First of all, thank you for the kind words.

Every time I see you, you are more resplendent in your jewels and your pearls and your headbands and your makeup, you're just looking phenomenal. We are so thrilled to have you because as you know, King Charles and Queen Camilla have wrapped up their state visit to the US for the 250th anniversary of our independence and to solidify the special relationship.

One special relationship that is just increasingly less so is clearly the one between the king and his wayward son, Harry. No visit. No not so much a face time with the grandchildren as far as we know. Tell us what this means.

Well, I think it means that Harry's on the outsteadily.

“First of all, we need to remember that California is 3000 miles away from Washington and New York.”

So they weren't exactly the same corner of the film to speak. But there was no way that the king or President Trump would ever have solidly visit with having any reaction or interchange with Harry or Meghan. I mean, let's remember Meghan has been extremely abusive where Donald Trump is concerned from before he was president and when he was in Britain after the birth of Archie,

she could have easily and should have joined the rest of the family at Buckingham Palace and didn't. She was being very pointed because she is so politically aggressive and it wasn't enough to snub him but she had to let the world know that she was snubbing him. So of course, she's not going to have her.

And quite frankly, my understanding is the king and the queen wouldn't have wanted Harry or Meghan within a thousand miles of them. Because they would have stolen the attention, they would have died. You know, it would have become the Megaline Harry dog and pony show. I love that dog and pony show.

I love that. But let me see, you know what I find interesting is that it could have been made clear that as back in September when there was that closed door summit between the king and Harry in Britain. It could have been made clear while the king was happy. You know, there's something about yes, I take your point.

It's 3,000 miles roughly between California and D.C. But there's something about being in the same country, the same continent. And the younger members of the family not availing themselves of any number of private planes to go and have a quiet closed door meeting with their children. With the grandfather of these children and I just find it remarkable.

I also find it interesting that Charles and Camilla did a couple of very high profile things. They visited Ground Zero and then they went to Arlington National Cemetery, which the United States is probably our most hallowed ground. It is for the slain service men and women of wars going back centuries. And that to me seemed almost appointed rebuked to Meghan and Harry's stunt that they pulled

when they first came to the United States on Remembrance Day.

Remember that? Oh, you mean when she created in her high heels in the black dress, walking on the graves of all of yes. Yes, so so disrespectful.

even though they had ejected themselves from the royal family. And wouldn't you know it last week? Harry parachutes in as it were unannounced in Ukraine. Calling for Vladimir Putin to end this war. I'm sure Vladimir Putin took that extremely seriously.

And here he is, I would love your reaction to this. We're going to play just a little bit from ITV on April 24th. Harry being asked, is he still a working royal? Does he think that the phrase not a working royal? Is something that applies to him?

Here we go. How do you recognize that phrase? Not a working royal. I mean it strikes me, you're obviously from the royal family.

“I'm here doing a trip, bringing attention to a really important cause”

that risks being forgotten. Do you recognize that description of you?

No, I will always be part of the royal family.

And I'm here working and doing the very thing that I was born to do. And I enjoy doing it. I mean, if this is just not a complete attempt at telling the royals, you know, no matter what the late queen mandated when those two left. But the nice amount of money, by the way.

Harry's going to do it his way, half in half out. So as his wife and if the British royal family doesn't like it too bad. Oh, absolutely. I mean, he has not only with Chris ship in Ukraine, but he had his people announced in Australia. But rarely they have ripped up the sanctioning of agreement to which they had never agreed.

“Well, the fact of the matter is, it wasn't an act of them agreeing or not agreeing.”

These were the terms and conditions under which they left. And you know, Harry seems to have forgotten that he's dealing with ahead of state and he's dealing with something that has legal power. And he and Meghan think they can just go and do whatever they want and that everybody's just going to have to accept it.

I do think that there are things that the British crown can do and should do because at the moment, Harry is subject as are all the other members of the Royal Family to the Lord Chamberlain's guidance and the Lord Chamberlain's regulations are governing the conduct of royals. And that includes no commercialization of their activities

save with the specific consent on each occasion. So anything they want to do commercially has to be approved upfront and ticked off. They don't do that. They are completely ignoring the Lord Chamberlain's guidelines. But because they are merely guidelines,

because they've never the Royal Family has never had a problem like this before,

where you have a really, very disordered and disorderly couple just doing exactly as they please, because even the Windsors, you know, never ever just threw the rules back in everybody's face. And these are not laws, these are rules and guidelines. They rarely need to be beefed up and they can be beefed up.

And I would imagine if it doesn't happen in this rain, it's going to happen in the next rain, where they will be beefed up and become and have force of law, where, for instance, instead of the Lord Chamberlain's guidelines, you can't work, you can't do commercial activity,

save with the consent. But they know consequences. The consequences could be that if you defy the ruling, that you will be prevented from using your title. Not that your title will be taken away from you,

that you will be prevented. There are all sorts of ways around this, which have so far not been explored, and so far the rules haven't been actually put into place in such a way that they have lawful consequences,

but they can have consequences.

“And I think something like this is going to have to be done”

down the land because Meghan and Harry are both on control level. He used to be vulnerable or difficult to control, but he couldn't be controlled.

She has always been on control level.

was that I was approached by people who were very concerned at her uncontrollability while they were both still in the royal family, and my book was initially conceived to be a shot across the bow, and my book was due to be handed in on Valentine's Day, and they left about a four weeks, three weeks before.

They de-mexit. And so my book actually then had to be re-written in big.

But the point is, this has always been a problem,

because Meghan has been uncontrollable from the word go. She doesn't care what anybody says. She does watch, she pleases. But this is not a way of running a country. And let's remember, we are dealing with a head of state,

and the royal family. So we are dealing with a country and a country's rules. You know, ladies see, when you just said that about the rules that can be, you could put some muscle behind them and really try to get these two under control.

When you said, you could say to them, you may not use the titles anymore.

We will not strip you, but you may not use them.

“I hear that, and I think to myself, you know,”

as you just said, they have no regard, for anyone but themselves, they love spitting in the face of the British royal family. We're that to happen. I would imagine they would still insist on calling themselves

the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, of being announced as such, as being treated as such. And you know, to watch King Charles come here to the United States and be given a privilege that is really afforded to know other foreign dignitary or leader,

which is to address Congress.

And to just wish that he could show the fortitude that is needed,

I'm sure this is very difficult for him. It is his son. But this is completely out of control. Your son is in Ukraine speaking as a royal. What is happening?

Well, of course, a part of the problem, more in is that there are political issues going on behind the scenes, because the British government is very left of the American government. And the British government, the French government, and the German government,

don't actually want Trump to succeed in Ukraine. They have set about sabotaging many of the peace efforts for their own domestic political reasons. So there's all of that going on as well.

“But I think that even if Harry and Meghan”

were in breach of the beefed up rules and regulations, it would be, it would then put the royal family and the British government on the British nation in a false, stronger position, because people would then know that they are breaking the rules

and that they are not, it would be a slap in their face. It would be removing some of their credibility. They wouldn't then be able to go on these full royal tours because they would be going on full royal tours as acknowledged phonies by the royal family.

So I think that would strip a layer of respectability from them that at the moment still exists. What do you think? I, you know, I'm thinking as you're speaking, I'm thinking, okay, they have already announced

that Africa is next, Harry and Meghan, are going to do a faux royal tour of Africa. I just read a report before coming on with you that William and Katherine, who just celebrated their 15th anniversary this week.

Again, overshadowed by these hijinks, these most unroyal hijinks, are now reportedly planning their own trip to Australia as almost a response to Harry and Meghan's recent jaunt. And all of this just, it just feels way too messy.

We in America watch this and we just cannot understand. I mean, is it a great distraction?

“Is this actually a great distraction from, say, Andrew?”

And what's been happening with the Epstein files, with the British royal family,

Then Andrew and what's coming next for him?

Well, I think it's apples and oranges, but both of them are used to make fruit cocktail. Well, I mean, I do think the Epstein files is far graver than Harry and Meghan, Meghan trying to get another Netflix deal.

Oh, did you hear this lady see that the reports of the United States are that Meghan Markle is convinced that her invitation to the Met Gala, which is on Monday, three days from now, is coming any minute.

Oh, but people haven't moring.

“You and I remember that night before last,”

we were having dinner with Anna Wintel and Anna Wintel said, "We can't have the Met Gala without Meghan." And Lauren Bezos said, "Oh, absolutely, we need Meghan without Meghan.

It won't have any class." I recall it well, you know. It's so funny. Lauren Bezos, Lauren Sanchez Bezos, who had Meghan and Harry to the private residents that she shares with Jeff

for Chris Kardashian's 70th, which was only a few months ago. So she's in with Lauren Bezos, who is the head of the Met Gala this year, the head. And Meghan is persona, nongrata.

I mean, it just goes to show you. It just goes to show you.

She will never crack the world of high fashion ever.

Or what passes for high fashion these days. Well, she was never going to because she doesn't dress properly and she doesn't have the right figure. So, you know, I mean, I know that she used to have on her card,

but she was a supermodel. I mean, she was a supermodel. Did she? Yes, yes. She was a supermodel.

And I was a bar of soap along with Cindy Crawford. Don't you remember? (laughing) I mean, the woman is notionally. But she also, she's so toxic now,

that nobody wants to associate with her. Remember when she was trying to, so we're on her way into deal.

And D.O. said no thank you,

but they gave Harry a deal.

“So it's too rare to, was it the queen's self-deception?”

It was the jubilee. They gave that, that's yes. And then there was, there were the rumors, well, will Harry sign as with the house of D.O. You know, but you're so right about that.

I remember that, you know, you hear these big rumors going around and you know that it's Megan calling whomever or one of her functionaries to say, to say, yeah, the house of D.O.

is they would die to have Megan. They would die, you know, she's really, she's considering it. Speaking of, you know, who's been very quietly, ladies,

see now that I think about it, oh, midscope. Oh. Have you any intel about what the state of his relationship with the gruesome two?

So maybe? Well, I think darling, you mean, I mean, scabies, surely. (laughing) Forgive me.

I stand corrected. Funny enough, he lives in the same building as the son of friends of mine. (laughing)

No kidding. Oh, I wish I could, I wish I could find the photograph of him in the building. Oh,

I think he's been, he's been

“in the dark, and we just come on and walk,”

he's a no further use. And everything he's tried recently, poor darling has failed, you know. I mean, one's heart would bleed for him if one had a heart where he was concerned,

but one doesn't. (laughing) It's so true, everyone gets marcoed eventually. Everyone gets marcoed. And I guess I'll, I'll end with this for today.

We still keep hearing that, you know, the ultimate person to be marcoed will eventually be hairy. It will eventually be hairy. And that the only way,

there is, there will be a way back for him eventually. Under a King William, I do not see it. I do not.

But that way back, were there to be one, would be without Meghan. What do you think right now? I won't be with Meghan.

That's for sure. I mean, the King, the Queen, the Queen especially, William and Catherine,

They all know she's an Athena. I mean, the most forgiving of the four of them would be Charles. But he has a wife who lets remember Meghan has trashed Camila as his hairy.

And Meghan has trashed the King, the racist King, and the racist Princess of Wales.

And William has never ever been in a room alone

with Meghan, because he saw Meghan's possibilities up front. And he has made sure that in all the time that they have known each other, he was never in a room with her alone.

So prevent the possibility of Meghan, taking out her embroidery sets and coming up with some fantasy-fandango. And there's no way, nobody wants to have anything to do with her.

Because they know she's toxic and also, what people don't realize is that the royal family is a lot more sophisticated in psychological terms than people think they are. I mean, most people here in all over the world

think that the British are generally not as into psychology as the Americans.

“But let's remember Prince Philip's aunt,”

Princess Mary Bonaparte, Princess George of Greece. She was one of the two female psychoanalysts trained by Freud. Wow. The king has had psychiatric treatment.

The queen, the late queen had psychiatric treatment. The late Princess Margaret had psychiatric treatment. Prince Philip was heavily into psychology and the spiritual aspects of psychology. He was quite union.

So they are very sophisticated in terms of mental health, mental health, and how to deal with it. So they're not some sort of ordinary British family and going all the way back, they have been on the cutting edge of psychology.

And people don't realize this. There is anybody who has any experience of psychology. We'll know that when you're dealing with somebody who has manifested the personality traits that Nathan has manifested. There's no cure.

There's no solution.

“The only thing you can do is temporarily block that person.”

But they are like the sea. They will come back or wave after wave after wave after wave. And they understand that and they won't have nothing to do with her because any excess will allow her to create havoc. Lady C, I wish we had more time.

I cannot wait for your next appearance because I was unaware of how deeply invested in psychology and psychiatry the British royal family is. You are absolutely right. Most Americans don't realize this.

The branding that we got is stiff upper lip.

Never complain, never explain.

And I find all of this so fascinating. And I will never tire of that tidbit that you deliver. So eloquently, which is that William had her number from the get go and that he refused to be left alone with her because he knew which she is capable of.

I love it and I do think it augurs very well for a king William. I for one can't wait. We thank you so very much for yet another incredible appearance and time with you on the nerve. Be well.

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